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| tsimonq2 | Aww :/ | 00:32 |
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| tsimonq2 | Sorry everyone. I apparently don't know how to set a topic. :P | 00:33 |
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| lubot | <tsimonq2> We've been considering a 17.10 respin anyways due to some UEFI installation issues, but regardless, keep on the lookout if you're installing a Lenovo laptop. | 00:35 |
| tsimonq2 | Better. | 00:35 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I also have received a report that Toshiba laptops might be affected: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1736827 | 00:52 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1736827 in linux (Ubuntu Artful) "Toshiba BIOS wrecked" [Critical, Triaged] | 00:52 |
| wxl | nice | 00:53 |
| wxl | that's what happens when people don't follow specs | 00:53 |
| wxl | s/people/manufacturers/ | 00:53 |
| tsimonq2 | Right. | 00:53 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-December/004254.html | 03:37 |
| Kamilion | oh? are they hitting the SPI write protection bug again? | 05:05 |
| Kamilion | hah. | 05:06 |
| Kamilion | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147/comments/141 | 05:06 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1734147 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models" [Critical, Confirmed] | 05:06 |
| Kamilion | yep. | 05:06 |
| Kamilion | "From our investigation with ODMs, the problem is due to the SPI flash has become write protected." | 05:07 |
| wxl[m] | Kamilion: did you see the current theories on why it fails? Not because of the module but because of the chips not following specs well. | 14:40 |
| wxl | what kind of weird update is this, @VikingRedwolf ??? https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/99207256538835238 | 15:53 |
| wxl | while you're fixing that you can reply to that dude giving him a link to the bug. it may not affect him. | 15:53 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, They didn't request it was halted... Steve just warned us. | 16:19 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> It's a warning, not a hard forbiddence | 16:20 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: huh? | 16:21 |
| wxl | oh ic now | 16:23 |
| wxl | i guess the question is misguided | 16:24 |
| wxl | it doesn't affect 17.04 | 16:24 |
| wxl | and there's no spinning of 17.10 | 16:24 |
| wxl | the issue is, however, that ubuntu did completely remove any easy link to the 17.10 download | 16:24 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: it's worse, actually. they've removed any links at all frmo cdimage.u.c | 16:32 |
| wxl | some of the mirrors still have it but that's about it | 16:32 |
| wxl | errr but it's still on releases.u.c | 16:33 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, OH I didn't know that. | 17:13 |
| wxl | yup | 17:13 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> what the hell? | 17:14 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> have you touched the blog for anything? | 17:14 |
| wxl | in fact someone just dropped this in another channel https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/ubuntu-17-10-no-longer-available-for-download-due-to-lenovo-bios-getting-corrupted/ | 17:14 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, No | 17:14 |
| wxl | ntoe too that it isn't ONLY lenovo | 17:14 |
| wxl | no, @VikingRedwolf | 17:14 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> I've tweeted though | 17:14 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> not connected. weird. every change to the site gets an instant replica in the Mastodon place | 17:15 |
| wxl | i'm not sure where i first saw that bug but i've been following it closely | 17:15 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> unless you deactivate the checkbox on the right ;) | 17:15 |
| wxl | FIX IT @VIKINGREDWOLF | 17:15 |
| wxl | so far only two errant changes | 17:16 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> naaah | 17:16 |
| wxl | they were 2 hours ago | 17:16 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> .__. | 17:16 |
| wxl | don't make me check the logs for who messed up :) | 17:16 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> O_O | 17:16 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> oh, it seems it was me :$ | 17:17 |
| wxl | hm | 17:17 |
| wxl | so | 17:17 |
| wxl | surprised | 17:17 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> o_____o | 17:17 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> you should be. it's Simon who usually do strange things | 17:18 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> *runs* | 17:18 |
| wxl | https://llwproductions.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/angry-face-husky.jpg | 17:18 |
| wxl | true though | 17:19 |
| wxl | example: just found this pic of simon http://cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dog-banana-costume.jpg | 17:19 |
| wxl | (honestly, that almost made me spit up my tea. that face omg) | 17:19 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf Respond to the tweet as LubuntuOfficial saying the images have officially been taken down. | 17:21 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Please. :) | 17:21 |
| wxl | s/tweet/toot/ | 17:21 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> No | 17:21 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Both | 17:21 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Please | 17:21 |
| wxl | well i didn't see no tweet | 17:21 |
| wxl | but i did see a toot | 17:21 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> yup | 17:21 |
| wxl | but technically that's only for ubuntu | 17:21 |
| wxl | not sure if we should follow suit? | 17:21 |
| wxl | i think at least issuing a stern warning would be good | 17:22 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> I already tweeted | 17:22 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Two times last night | 17:22 |
| wxl | i mean on our downloads page(s) | 17:22 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> wxl: Read the channel topic here XD | 17:22 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Oh | 17:22 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Yeah, follow suit | 17:22 |
| wxl | the problem is not the people that know how to look for information.. it's the ones that just point and click :) | 17:23 |
| wxl | so @VikingREdwolf that's on your todo list | 17:23 |
| wxl | i got a testcase to write today. we agreed on a solution | 17:23 |
| wxl | (re: UEFI testcases) | 17:23 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> huh? | 17:24 |
| wxl | also @VikingRedwolf if you could delete those errant toots, that would be good too | 17:24 |
| wxl | @VikingRedwolf, here's your todo list: | 17:24 |
| wxl | 1. change any download pages we have to match what ubuntu did to theirs with 17.10 https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop | 17:24 |
| wxl | 2. delete these toots https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/99207261937112809 https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/99207256538835238 | 17:25 |
| wxl | 3. reply to this toot saying that downloads have been obfuscated https://mastodon.rocks/@miwilc/99207284447154504 | 17:25 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: where's that tweet? | 17:26 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Read it. :l | 17:26 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> *:) | 17:26 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: also you should include an explicit mention of it in the release notes with a link to the longer description in the ubuntu release notes | 17:26 |
| wxl | i | 17:26 |
| wxl | see it | 17:26 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> toots erased | 17:26 |
| wxl | don't | 17:26 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, I will man, but I'm at school | 17:27 |
| wxl | ok | 17:27 |
| wxl | 4. reply to whatever tweet @tsimonq2 has whenever he decides to link us to it | 17:27 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> I'll add a "discouragement" message as well | 17:27 |
| wxl | yes i think that would be wise | 17:28 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> also, please Simon, can you tell if the "mobile bug" looks fine now? the menu on top o f the content, I mean | 17:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, Seriously? | 17:29 |
| lubot | Topic for channel #lubuntu-devel: | 17:29 |
| lubot | | Important announcement about Lubuntu 17.10 on some Lenovo laptops: https://is.gd/TAxKEl | 17:29 |
| lubot | | Lubuntu QA/Development | 17:29 |
| lubot | | Now testing Bionic Beaver dailies | 17:29 |
| lubot | | http://lubuntu.me | 17:29 |
| lubot | | Support: #lubuntu (NOT here) | 17:29 |
| lubot | | Offtopic chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | 17:29 |
| lubot | | This channel is bridged to Telegram (https://t.me/lubuntudevel) and Matrix (#lubuntu:disroot.org) | 17:29 |
| lubot | | This channel is LOGGED: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com | 17:29 |
| lubot | * set by tsimonq2 | 17:29 |
| wxl | huh? | 17:30 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: The is.gd link. | 17:30 |
| tsimonq2 | Go there. | 17:30 |
| tsimonq2 | It's linked there. | 17:30 |
| wxl | ah so @VikingRedwolf what you need to do is reply to that tweet with the new info | 17:30 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, As LubuntuOfficial, right | 17:31 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @wxl, I'm still doing the WARNING thing .__. | 17:31 |
| wxl | you have all the time in the world @VikingRedwolf | 17:31 |
| wxl | (not really) | 17:32 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> omg omg omg so much stress | 17:32 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, Go faster. .__. | 17:33 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> (I'm messing with you} | 17:33 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_3085.mp4 | 17:34 |
| wxl | i'm going to un-beginner task the lubuntu qa task | 17:34 |
| wxl | students can only do 2 beginner tasks | 17:35 |
| wxl | i think that's why we're not getting any of them done | 17:35 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, Lol | 17:35 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, OK, and create a task for testing the 17.10 ISOs so by the time the task is approved, it's time | 17:35 |
| wxl | but how can we test the fix, @tsimonq2 ? | 17:36 |
| wxl | unless you have the hardware | 17:37 |
| wxl | and even then you run the risk of bricking | 17:37 |
| wxl | my guess is they'll only smoketest and call it good | 17:37 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, Well it will also pull in literally every update released to Artful since then. | 17:37 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> So we need general testing yoom | 17:37 |
| wxl | not necessarily | 17:38 |
| wxl | it *could* | 17:38 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Urgh | 17:38 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> *too | 17:38 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, Then why do we test the final images if we test the final beta images? :P | 17:38 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> http://lubuntu.me/downloads/ | 17:41 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> I can also add a skull icon and a symbol of BIOHAZARD o___o | 17:41 |
| wxl | oh i like that | 17:42 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> the biohazard symbol? O_o | 17:42 |
| wxl | unicode is always justified :) | 17:43 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> XD | 17:43 |
| wxl | MAYBE BOTH | 17:43 |
| wxl | what about the like electrocution warning? | 17:43 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> 🍺 <- best emoji ever | 17:43 |
| wxl | don't use that one | 17:44 |
| wxl | https://emojipedia.org/high-voltage-sign/ | 17:44 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Hahahahahaha | 17:44 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> you're a bsolutely right, sorry, I'll look for the GUINNESS EMOJI o__o | 17:44 |
| wxl | https://emojipedia.org/fire/ | 17:44 |
| wxl | https://emojipedia.org/radioactive-sign/ | 17:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> that flame describes me | 17:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> .__. | 17:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> you could reply the toot though | 17:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> you are the mastodon guy! | 17:45 |
| wxl | no you will | 17:45 |
| wxl | you're already logged in | 17:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> smsmshmm | 17:45 |
| wxl | TOO LATE I CALLED IT YOU"RE IT NO TAG BACKS LOVE YOU BYE | 17:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> O__O | 17:45 |
| wxl | actually i'm late for work, so no luck anyways XD | 17:46 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> you'll get skinny | 17:46 |
| wxl | i wish.. | 17:46 |
| wxl | seriously, bai | 17:46 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> o/ | 17:46 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @wxl, eeewww | 17:47 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: i'm sure you saw this but: | 18:16 |
| wxl | 0954 < slangasek:#ubuntu-release> wxl: also, investigation is still in progress of a runtime recovery | 18:17 |
| wxl | of the issue. If we get one, then there's no need to respin the | 18:17 |
| wxl | images after all | 18:17 |
| wxl | but if you are right that we will need full release testing if that doesn't happen | 18:17 |
| wxl | @VikingRedwolf is your list done? :) | 18:17 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> aye | 18:18 |
| wxl | good boy | 18:18 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> toss me beer! | 18:18 |
| wxl | actualy i can't yet | 18:19 |
| wxl | there's still the front page | 18:19 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> that'll look ugly if I use the same warning code | 18:20 |
| wxl | maybe just disable that section temporarily? | 18:20 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> anyways, the frontpage leads you to the downloads, and the message | 18:20 |
| wxl | except for what's under that link | 18:21 |
| wxl | bottom half of https://share.riseup.net/#QOei8uNoscs4Fx7gTdVFbw | 18:22 |
| wxl | i'm suggesting to disable that particular section | 18:22 |
| wxl | leave the download link at the top | 18:22 |
| wxl | for that matter, i think it might be best not to litter the front page with download links at all, no? | 18:22 |
| Kamilion | *perk via highlight* | 18:35 |
| Kamilion | wxl: doesn't suprise me, gigadevice has been known to be weird in the past. | 18:36 |
| Kamilion | https://lwn.net/Articles/741913/ | 18:38 |
| Kamilion | i'm amused at the fourth comment | 18:38 |
| wxl | yeah it's really not a lenovo issue. it just so happens that they seem to use a lot of the bad chips :) | 18:39 |
| wxl | Kamilion: it's kind of like the time i happened to have a motherboard from a manufacturer that was afflicted by the capacitor plague | 18:45 |
| wxl | at least it didn't catch fire XD | 18:45 |
| wxl | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague#/media/File:Brand_auf_Platine.jpg | 18:45 |
| wxl | it was surprisingly usable for as many capitors were bulging on it | 18:46 |
| Kamilion | well, yeah, the capacitance was only off by a little until they went boom | 18:46 |
| Kamilion | it was the possibility of a sudden venting that would cause problems and schmoo all over | 18:46 |
| Kamilion | nasty brown/black tar and paper tatters | 18:47 |
| Kamilion | thankfully, not as hard to clean up as a burst battery, like on amigas and various arcade machines | 18:47 |
| Kamilion | that shit's actually acidic and will eat away at the traces | 18:47 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, I doubt we'll be able to avoid a respin. | 19:36 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> And wxl, this was exactly my point: slangasek> wxl: the images will have to be built with all the SRUs since release; we should plan for full release testing | 19:38 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: "doubt" is no certainty | 20:17 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: in other news be prepared to let's encrypt all of lubuntu.me next month https://letsencrypt.org/2017/07/06/wildcard-certificates-coming-jan-2018.html | 20:18 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, That's your task. 😉 | 20:26 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Unless you teach me how! | 20:26 |
| wxl | i've never done it before and besides you run phab so there :þ | 20:27 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @wxl, no way! | 20:39 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> :D | 20:39 |
| wxl | @VikingRedwolf: whey | 20:40 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> I did with my own server | 20:40 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> but I must admit that ubuntu servers are easier to configure | 20:40 |
| wxl | what are you using on your server?? | 20:41 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> letsencrypt | 20:41 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> ubuntu server 16.04 | 20:41 |
| wxl | uh | 20:41 |
| wxl | oh | 20:41 |
| wxl | now i get it :) | 20:41 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> :) | 20:41 |
| wxl | well i think @tsimonq2's machinery is ubuntu too | 20:41 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> look at this: https://certbot.eff.org/ | 20:42 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> easy steps | 20:42 |
| wxl | then where is it hard? | 20:42 |
| wxl | um | 20:42 |
| wxl | s/hard/difficult/ | 20:42 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> it is not with certbot | 20:42 |
| * wxl glowers at @VikingRedwolf | 20:42 | |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> I could do it, and remember... I'm blonde! | 20:42 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> buuuut I f*cked it up a couple times | 20:43 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> question: is everything in the same server / host? | 20:44 |
| * agaida think: certs are boring, lets_encrypt is boring and wildcard certs take away all the fun of being a nerd ... | 20:45 | |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> are wildcards already supported? | 20:45 |
| agaida | no - not yet | 20:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> and can certbot / letsencrypt create certificates across hosts? | 20:46 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> I don't think so, so our Phab instance might not be https | 20:46 |
| agaida | why - use a standard cert in that case - wildcard certs may be convinient but ... | 20:47 |
| redwolf | standard cert? paid ones? | 20:47 |
| agaida | aka register phab.domain.tld with exactly that domain to the machine - thats possible | 20:48 |
| redwolf | the domain is in Gandi, so we could buy one for all sub-sites | 20:48 |
| redwolf | but I don't think certbot can do that | 20:48 |
| redwolf | or, more likely I have no idea how to do that | 20:48 |
| redwolf | wxl: https://certbot.eff.org/#ubuntuxenial-apache | 20:49 |
| agaida | redwolf: i have letsencrypt certs for misc subdomains on different machines - like on dev-host: https://pb.5id.eu/3wcW | 20:51 |
| redwolf | really? nice! but that's beyond my skills :( | 20:52 |
| agaida | and on our normal webserver https://pb.5id.eu/form/ | 20:53 |
| agaida | thats easy - the certs are bound to the machine | 20:53 |
| agaida | in combination with the (sub).domain.tld - so the mechanism is easy | 20:54 |
| redwolf | I though the script literally looked for folders in the server | 20:55 |
| agaida | i issue a certificate from a certain machine - letsencrypt resolve the issued domain/subdomain and deliver the cert exactly to this machine | 20:55 |
| agaida | done | 20:55 |
| agaida | you might notice that i use right now the standalone certbot with a start and a stop hook | 20:56 |
| agaida | that means - $webserver is terminated, certbot took over and provide port 80 and receive the possible certs and updates - and start the $webserver with the new certs | 20:58 |
| agaida | old script - reason was the old nginx that can't do this on the fly | 20:59 |
| agaida | but the 10s all three days don't hurt, so i leave it that way | 20:59 |
| agaida | just lazy | 20:59 |
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