[08:09] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> here's a graph eric made of 2016-2017 to prove the users drop when +r was set: https://imgur.com/a/M5LnW
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> still waiting for ben64's graph, but i bet its gonna be the same
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> another idea of alkisg is to set freenode webchat to #ubuntu without reggister, so the captcha can bypass the spammer?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/MBAip new graph
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> tnx and let it know to el unite & dax plz
[15:58] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: the graph doesn't make me think anything should be changed
[16:04] <Pici> When did we set +r?
[16:06] <Pici> heres my channel population info going back to 4/1/2016: http://nullcortex.com/upload/screenshots/chrome_2017-12-20_11-06-01.png
[16:09] <Pici> (ubottu reports channel population info directly into graphite)
[16:18] <dax> Pici: unsurprisingly, around 2017-6, I believe
[16:19] <dax> I'm not a huge fan of raw log size, since it presumably includes JOIN/PART/QUIT and of *course* they're going to go through the floor with +r
[16:19] <dax> https://i.imgur.com/A9kVw7H.png is using irclogs.ubuntu.com logfiles, so it's just actual messages. and it's per-day not per-month, so a bit more detailed
[16:20] <Pici> http://nullcortex.com/upload/screenshots/chrome_2017-12-20_11-19-51.png
[16:20] <Pici> Thats population and activity (lines per second)
[16:21] <Pici> going back a little further for comparison: http://nullcortex.com/upload/screenshots/chrome_2017-12-20_11-20-42.png
[16:22] <dax> *nod*
[16:25] <dax> anyway. that said, the graph I linked and the graph lotuspsychje linked show broadly the same trend, so at least we're working off the same sort of data there
[16:27] <dax> I think there are *two* notable things about Pici's user count graph: 1) after +r was set, channel population went down over time for a bit, presumably as unidentified users fell out of the channel, and 2) the channel population has been stable since about a month after that (ignoring what I assume is a freenode outage in mid-August and the 17.10 release in mid-October)
[16:28] <dax> Unless I'm not reading it right, Pici's activity graph shows a lot less variance than mine does, I'm curious as to what the difference is there.
[16:29] <dax> although I guess it's ~1/s to 0.5/s over the course of the year, which is sufficiently concerning in and of itself
[16:54] <Dreaman> remove my bann i month
[16:54] <Dreaman> more
[16:54] <Dreaman> just mute
[16:55] <Dreaman> i use ubuntu 2007
[16:55] <dax> thanks ubottu
[16:55] <dax> Dreaman: looking, sec
[16:56] <dax> Dreaman: you going to behave this time?
[16:57] <Dreaman> no
[16:57] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[16:57] <Dreaman> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 4.14.8-041408-generic x86_64 bits: 64
[16:57] <Dreaman>            Desktop: Gnome 3.26.2 Distro: Ubuntu 17.10
[16:57] <Dreaman> just use ubuntu
[16:57] <Dreaman> 10 years
[16:58] <dax> was that "no" meaning you're not going to behave?
[16:58] <dax> I don't care how long you've been using Ubuntu, I care whether you're going to mess around in #ubuntu if I unban you or not.
[16:58] <Dreaman> no
[16:58] <Dreaman> ok
[16:59] <Dreaman> just unbann me
[16:59] <dax> can you actually clearly answer my question
[17:00] <dax> "yes I am going to behave" or "no i am not going to behave"
[17:00] <Dreaman> no
[17:00] <dax> then go ahead and part the channel and come back when you decide you're going to behave, thanks
[17:01] <dax> as you're well aware, we have channel guidelines, and if you're not going to behave and follow them, you ain't getting unquieted
[17:01] <dax> !guidelines
[17:01] <Dreaman> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[17:02] <Dreaman> my eng is not good
[17:02] <Dreaman> yes
[17:02] <Dreaman> may be ask to
[17:03] <dax> Yes, I've noticed that your English proficiency drops through the floor whenever you want unbanning. It doesn't really help you.
[17:03] <Dreaman> unbann me
[17:04] <Dreaman> 1 month i bann
[17:04] <Dreaman> is normal
[17:04] <Dreaman> but
[17:04] <wxl> Dreaman: i have an easy solution for getting unbanned. interested?
[17:05] <Dreaman> ask oper bann me log
[17:05] <Dreaman> see
[17:05] <Dreaman> nothing
[17:05] <Dreaman> log oper bann me reasen
[17:06] <Dreaman> no
[17:06] <wxl> not interested, got it.
[17:06] <Dreaman> heh
[17:06] <Dreaman> just bann for nothing
[17:06] <Dreaman> ok
[17:07] <dax> If that's your interpretation of things, then you're better off using a non-English-language channel that you can actually interpret in a reasonable manner.
[17:07] <Dreaman> remove bann 1 min i see the log
[17:07] <Dreaman> my hexchat
[17:07] <Dreaman> ant pastebin ubuntu
[17:08] <Dreaman> ubuntu-bulgarian not users in
[17:09] <Dreaman> remove bann and mute me
[17:09] <Dreaman> simple
[17:09] <Dreaman> no chat
[17:09] <dax> Why would I want to do that?
[17:10] <Dreaman> your choice
[17:10] <dax> You're quite capable of reading logs without being in the channel
[17:10] <dax> !1984
[17:10] <Dreaman> no bann no mute
[17:11] <Dreaman> i permanent bann may be 1 month and more bann
[17:11] <Dreaman> just aks
[17:11] <dax> I'm not going to unban you unless you can come up with a coherent assurance that you will not misbehave. That said, your inability to follow directions in here leads me to suspect I shouldn't unban you even *if* you manage to come up with one, because *#ubuntu is clearly not the right place for someone who does not understand simple English*
[17:11] <dax> as evidenced by you *repeatedly* failing to follow instructions and *repeatedly* getting banned
[17:12] <Dreaman> ok
[17:13] <Dreaman> i joint but no need this
[17:19] <Dreaman> dax 1 year 3 month
[17:19] <Dreaman> forever
[17:20] <Dreaman> ?
[17:20] <dax> Bans aren't time-based, they're removed based on you demonstrating that you will not repeat the behavior that got you banned.
[17:21] <dax> Coming into #ubuntu-ops and repeating the behavior that got you banned is not a good way to get the ban removed.
[17:21] <Dreaman> ok
[17:21] <dax> @mark #ubuntu-ops Dreaman
[17:22] <dax> @comment 77462 declined to remove ban despite expiration date on previous comment. See mark 77578. tl;dr: he is incoherent as ever
[20:20] <el> he asked me if he could be downgraded to a quiet
[20:20] <el> 07:37 <Dreaman> hi remove my bann in ubuntu is 1 month
[20:20] <el> 07:37 <Dreaman> mute me
[20:20] <el> 07:37 <Dreaman> is good idea
[20:21] <dax> yeah, I told him no on that above
[20:21] <dax> irclogs.ubuntu.com exists, he's quite capable of using it
[20:21] <el> true
[20:21] <dax> he's just gonna start PMing crap to people if he's +q
[20:21] <el> and i apparently missed that line when scrolling up