[00:00] <Char|ie> nerds designing software for nerds
[00:00] <Char|ie> sigh
[00:00] <TJ-> Char|ie: check the manual @ http://www.openshotusers.com/help/1.3/en/
[00:00] <Char|ie> Should give up and get a mac
[00:00] <Char|ie> fuck this
[00:00] <nooryani84> Char|ie, did u try lossless-cut?
[00:01] <nooryani84> There's this as well https://github.com/ozmartian/vidcutter
[00:01] <TJ-> Most NLEs do it the same way
[00:02] <nooryani84> I don't know if it configures it any differently... but you could always try out Ubuntu Studio in a VM
[00:02] <nooryani84> I'm guessing it would be the same as installing OpenShot though
[00:03] <Char|ie> theres only one drag mark line available on openshot
[00:04] <Char|ie> it makes no sense why you gotta drag it to a "track 2"
[00:04] <TJ-> I used openshot yesterday to extract a 30 second segment from a ~1 hour HD, and it worked OK, although I ended up prefering to use ffmpeg on the command-line so I could properly control the transcoding options
[00:04] <Char|ie> its just retarded
[00:05] <teward> Char|ie: lodge your complaints about the openshot UI with their developers, not here in the #ubuntu support channel, please.
[00:05] <teward> this is not the place to go on a rant about what you do or don't like about a given program.
[00:05] <Char|ie> its linux in general
[00:05] <Char|ie> horrible software
[00:05] <nooryani84> I wouldn't complain about something that's free and openly "hackable"
[00:06] <nooryani84> I understand your frustrations though.
[00:06] <Char|ie> command line video editing, oh joy
[00:06] <nooryani84> https://www.shotcut.org/
[00:06] <nooryani84> I think this may be similar to OpenShot however..
[00:07] <typeVoid> So, I tried to log in (after resetting my password) https://i.imgur.com/rORE4Rm.png
[00:07] <nooryani84> Best way is to just try them out
[00:08] <TJ-> typeVoid: check in #canonical-sysadmin
[00:08] <Char|ie> its a insanely simple concept that should be simple to solve
[00:08] <typeVoid> Nevermind, I think I'm logged in but https://translations.launchpad.net/ shows that
[00:08] <nooryani84> typeVoid, I'm guessing that this could be related to a lot of users trying to report issues about their Lenovos?
[00:08] <nooryani84> dont know.
[00:08] <nooryani84> the whole thing could be hyperbole
[00:09] <typeVoid> opening in a private window works fine
[00:09] <TJ-> typeVoid: sounds like a caching issue then
[00:09] <nooryani84> Did you try a different browser?
[00:09] <Vysty> I'm running 16.04 and my bluetooth speaker isn't connecting to my computer. Was doing it last night. Can anyone help me troubleshoot it?
[00:10] <typeVoid> From earlier, yes. On mobile (Android) I used firefox focus then nightly, on desktop nightly ("57")
[00:11] <nooryani84> well
[00:11] <typeVoid> huh, you're probably right
[00:11] <nooryani84> if you really want to clear out the browser
[00:11] <TJ-> Vysty: well hello :) terminal -> "bluetoothctl" then "agent on", "default-agent", "devices" then "info <MAC-of-speakers>"
[00:11] <typeVoid> I think it's caching issues
[00:11] <nooryani84> then try the refresh function
[00:11] <nooryani84> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings
[00:11] <Leevancleef> Char|ie, you want a Linux video editing work station? Get a Blackmagic audio card and use Resolve. Or hell, you can use the NLE in Nuke. Both free.
[00:12] <nooryani84> this wont clear the cache though
[00:12] <typeVoid> I think I know how, though
[00:12] <TJ-> typeVoid: "about:cache" could help
[00:13] <Vysty> TJ-: I sent you a private message so I don't fill the chatroom up.
[00:13] <TJ-> Vysty: I have then blocked; support should be in channel so everyone can contribute
[00:13] <Ertain> Hello everyone. I have a server running Xenial, and now I can't get apt to resolve my package repositories. What I think I did was change my hostname via /etc/hostname. I tried changing it back, and rebooting. But apt still can't resolve the repos, giving an error such as: "Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'"
[00:14] <Vysty> No prob.
[00:14] <Vysty> [bluetooth]# info B8:D5:0B:55:DB:6B Device B8:D5:0B:55:DB:6B  Name: MHC-V11  Alias: MHC-V11  Class: 0x240414  Icon: audio-card  Paired: yes  Trusted: yes  Blocked: no  Connected: yes  LegacyPairing: no  UUID: Vendor specific           (00000000-deca-fade-deca-deafdecacaff)  UUID: Serial Port               (00001101-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)  UUID: Audio Sink                (0000110b-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)  UUID: A/V Remote Cont
[00:14] <TJ-> Ertain: that is a DNS resolution error, did you change /etc/resolv.conf ?
[00:14] <TJ-> !paste  Vysty
[00:14] <typeVoid> TJ-, thanks but I went to about:preferences and searched 'cache'
[00:14] <typeVoid> Then deleted
[00:14] <Vysty> what's !paste?
[00:14] <TJ-> !paste |  Vysty
[00:15] <Ertain> I think /etc/resolv.conf was changed; the file is empty. Though I could have sworn that some other mechanism is handling resolution.
[00:15] <Vysty> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26224245/
[00:16] <Leevancleef> I prefer OpenSUSE's paste site because you can prevent crawlers from reading it, and/or set it to expire on a timer
[00:16] <TJ-> Vysty: OK, that all looks correct. You can monitor bluetooth connection drops by watching the kernel log, I use "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" ... next time the audio fails see if there are any log messages related to bluetooth that suggest a cause
[00:16] <Vysty> TJ-: Failing right now. The speaker's light is flashing like it's trying to find something to connect to.
[00:16] <TJ-> Leevancleef: yes, those would be useful additions
[00:17] <TJ-> Vysty: OK, check kern.log, is there anything reported over the last few minutes? show me "pastebinit <( tail -n 1000 /var/log/kern.log)"
[00:17] <nooryani84> TJ-, regarding the SPI-bug... Should I be worried?
[00:18] <nooryani84> I have no clue if this has done anything to my laptop.
[00:18] <Vysty> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26224257/
[00:18] <TJ-> nooryani84: sounds like you're hyper-ventilating over nothing at this point :)
[00:19] <TJ-> Vysty: there's one thing: "Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x0406 tx timeout"
[00:19] <Vysty> TJ-: Do you know what it means?
[00:19] <nooryani84> TJ- I think you may be right :)
[00:19] <nooryani84> thanks
[00:20] <TJ-> Vysty: so looks like the radio connection may be suffering? BT operates in the same 2.4GHz band as 802.11b/g/n wifi - are you using 2.4GHz wifi?
[00:20] <Vysty> TJ-: Maybe? Let me switch to the 5G network.
[00:20] <TJ-> Vysty: sometimes, strong wifi signals can knock out the lower-power BT signals
[00:21] <TJ-> Vysty: especially as BT is designed for a maximum of 10 metres
[00:21] <Vysty> TJ-: Just switched to 5G and restarted my speaker...
[00:21] <nooryani84> if you have an Android phone you can check the wireless networks in your vicinity
[00:22] <Vysty> TJ-: Yup, still blinknig.
[00:22] <nooryani84> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer
[00:22] <nooryani84> I've used this in the past
[00:22] <Vysty> TJ-: After my reinstall last night, the speaker worked just fine.
[00:22] <Vysty> worked fine this morning, too.
[00:23] <nooryani84> though this is mainly to check what channels are overlapping... don't know how helpful this will be here.
[00:24] <TJ-> Vysty: as nooryani84 recommends, scan for all other 2.4GHz sources. Because 2.4GHz is unlicenced other devices can use it too, like baby monitors, TV relays, and it's the same frequency as microwave ovens too
[00:24] <TJ-> Vysty: how far apart are the BT speaker and the PC?
[00:25] <TJ-> Vysty: could the issue be your body absorbing the signal because you're between them?
[00:25] <nooryani84> I worked at an ISP earlier and I've heard about baby monitors causing Wifi dropouts
[00:26] <Vysty> TJ-: It's a little under 2 meters. I guess maybe that could be the issue?
[00:26] <nooryani84> Is both the PC transmitting the signal and the speaker in the same room/area that it was earlier today?
[00:26] <TJ-> Vysty: 2m should be OK generally, put I've seen local PC wifi knock out BT to a mouse on occasion
[00:27] <TJ-> Vysty: are the speakers using Bluetooth LE ?
[00:27] <Vysty> TJ-: Don't know if LE. How do I find out?
[00:27] <Vysty> TJ-: When I got the speaker, it worked in another room.
[00:27] <nooryani84> What's the model of the speaker?
[00:27] <Vysty> MHV-V11
[00:27] <Vysty> MHC*
[00:27] <nooryani84> i believe BT 4.0 and up support LE
[00:28] <TJ-> Vysty: do the speakers use batteries or mains ?
[00:28] <Vysty> TJ-: They're plugged into the wall.
[00:28] <Vysty> It*
[00:28] <Vysty> Just one speaker.
[00:29] <TJ-> Vysty: I've had issues with weak batteries in BT devices causing issues. For my favourite BT mouse, every few days I have to polish the battery terminals to keep it alive :D
[00:29] <Vysty> Definitely not running on batteries.
[00:31] <Vysty> TJ-: I'm trying it in different spots around the room, now.
[00:31] <Vysty> No luck.
[00:31] <Vysty> If it's the neighbor's wifi screwing it up, is there no way to fix that?
[00:32] <TJ-> Vysty: how about triyng to use a smartphone to send audio to it? if that has problems too it points to a speaker issue, if not, it could be an issue with the PC, or with the particular position of the PC
[00:32] <Vysty> TJ-: Remember how we did all that crap yesterday to get me reinstalled? This is the issue that started it.
[00:32] <nooryani84> seems its Bluetooth 3.0 on this speaker
[00:32] <Vysty> TJ-: I found online that there was a bluetooth issue with 16.04
[00:32] <TJ-> Vysty: right! NO CHANGING PC CONFIG!
[00:33] <Vysty> "Bastien's Computer" problem.
[00:33] <nooryani84> so no LE on your speaker
[00:33] <Vysty> I found an article that suggested that 17.10 had fixed the bluetooth issue, which is what prompted me to upgrade.
[00:33] <Vysty> Now I'm trying to fix it without upgrading.
[00:33] <TJ-> Vysty: the kernel message suggests the device itself is losing the connection (tx timeout) but bluetoothctl info showed it still thought the device is connected
[00:34] <robozi> Smb know the user tatertots?
[00:34] <Vysty> TJ-: Smartphone connects just fine to it.
[00:34] <TJ-> Vysty: so I'd point my finger at radio interference, or some issue with the speaker.
[00:34] <nooryani84> Vysty: Try something else.... Check if you have the same issue when conneting ...
[00:34] <Vysty> nooryani84: Just did. connects fine.
[00:34] <nooryani84> ok so I was just about to ask about the martphne
[00:34] <nooryani84> x)
[00:34] <TJ-> Vysty: connection yes, but keep it sending audio to the speaker for a few hours see if it managed not to drop
[00:34] <Vysty> nooryani84: My wife's computer connected fine with it last night.
[00:35] <TJ-> Vysty: is your PC in a fixed location, or can you move it?
[00:35] <Vysty> TJ-: Would this be an issue with a brand new speaker? I literally got it a few days ago.
[00:35] <TJ-> Vysty: the PC might simply be in a radio blackspot
[00:35] <nooryani84> Load up a different distro on a lice usb, see if that works
[00:35] <nooryani84> live*
[00:35] <nooryani84> Antergos for example
[00:35] <Vysty> TJ-: I can slide the PC around on my desk a little. Already tried that.
[00:35] <nooryani84> or fedora
[00:36] <Vysty> nooryani84: I'll buy an audio cable before I do that.
[00:36] <TJ-> Vysty: if it's a PC issue, it's likely to be the particular BT chipset in the PC that is the root cause
[00:36] <TJ-> Vysty: how about doing tests with the speaker right on the desk? that way it's unlikely signal issues would be the cause
[00:37] <Char|ie> I used shotcut to successfully clip the video, however the quality downgrades when I export it, even if I keep it the same format.
[00:37] <nooryani84> Vysty, or a USB bluetooth adapter
[00:38] <Vysty> TJ-: On the desk now... still not connecting.
[00:38] <nooryani84> Char|ie, did you try lossless-cut ?
[00:38] <TJ-> Vysty: try "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service"
[00:38] <nooryani84> I don't know of any other apps that do lossless cuts for Linux.
[00:39] <nooryani84> not with a GUI
[00:40] <Vysty> TJ-:  no luck
[00:40] <TJ-> nooryani84: they do, but they don't list the option as 'copy' like ffmpeg does, they list the complex codec options
[00:40] <nooryani84> Vysty: in any case, I think this is supposed to be a good adapter that works out of the box... https://www.asus.com/Networking/USBBT400/ shouldn't be too expensive.
[00:41] <TJ-> Vysty: I've just noticed your kern.log shows the PC had resumed from suspend. Does this also happen after a cold boot and the PC has not been suspended?
[00:41] <Vysty> nooryani84: Appreciated. I'm just going to buy an audio cable.
[00:41] <Vysty> nooryani84: Less things that can go wrong.
[00:41] <Vysty> TJ-: Good question.
[00:41] <Char|ie> nooryani84, that worked :D
[00:41] <nooryani84> :)
[00:41] <Vysty> TJ-: I'll reboot and see what happens. Be right back.
[00:42] <TJ-> Vysty: there are a lot of weird issues due to PC firmware ACPI DSDT bugs like this
[00:42] <nooryani84> I've never liked Bluetooth
[00:42] <nooryani84> Very few hw-manufacturors implement it well
[00:42] <TJ-> I've used it for over a decade and not had terrible issues
[00:42] <nooryani84> It depends on what it's used for
[00:42] <TJ-> Everthing )
[00:43] <nooryani84> Well... I'm sure it's my user error in most cases :)
[00:43] <nooryani84> The biggest issue with BT is pairing.
[00:43] <TJ-> rfcom, hdp, a2dp, avrcp, etc.
[00:44] <nooryani84> Newer BT sounds great, though older versions were power hogs
[00:44] <nooryani84> Logitech even make a mouse now that has both an RF adapter and BT, so you can connect with either.
[00:46] <TJ-> BT mice and keyboards are very handy, and work well on Linux (mostly! - aside from bluez 5 tripping up the original Apple wireless keyboard pin-code entry)
[00:46] <Vysty> TJ-: Back.
[00:46] <Vysty> That worked.
[00:46] <nooryani84> The K380 looks pretty good
[00:47] <nooryani84> small and solid built, but I've been holding back due to reports of issues using it with the RPi
[00:47] <TJ-> Vysty: I'm going to suggest an ACPI workaround that could prevent the issue, if ACPI suspend/resume is the cause. See  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:48] <Vysty> TJ-: ...do I just type these commands into a terminal?
[00:48] <nooryani84> TJ- : Would very much like to try something like this https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/m720-triathlon?crid=7 which uses the Logitech Unifying adapter as well as BT.
[00:49] <TJ-> Vysty: can copy/paste them, or download/run the linked shell script
[00:49] <Vysty> copy/paste is what I meant
[00:49] <Vysty> Before I do this... is there anything it can screw up/
[00:49] <Vysty> I'm gunshy after yesterday.
[00:50] <TJ-> Vysty: of course, it'll make your BT speaker sound like a 7.1 system :D ... no, it's relatively sane
[00:51] <nooryani84> xD
[00:52] <nooryani84> sane defaults +1
[00:52] <TJ-> As sane as anything I ever code is :p
[00:53] <Vysty> TJ-: Great. No sarcasm meter through chattext.
[00:54] <Vysty> Hm... why am I having a problem pasting this all in at once.
[00:54] <TJ-> Vysty: maybe do it a line at a time?
[00:55] <TJ-> Vysty: if you're having problems download the script instead
[00:56] <Vysty> TJ-: Do I need to put in the lines are the big block of code?
[00:56] <Vysty> Like this one? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[00:57] <TJ-> Vysty: what you see is what is required, you don't interpret anything
[00:57] <Vysty> So... yes put them all in?
[00:58] <TJ-> Vysty: that question suggests to me that your primary problems are caused by over-thinking/interpreting literal instructions
[00:58] <TJ-> Vysty: Yes, you do
[00:58] <Vysty> TJ-: Well primarily problem is NOT thinking about anything and just putting it in. This causes system crashes. I'm avoiding the primary problem by being overly cautious.
[00:58] <TJ-> Vysty: if it's a problem download the script, and run it: "wget http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/acpi_osi.sh; sh ./acpi_osi.sh"
[00:58] <TJ-> Vysty: :D OK, I'll allow that
[00:59] <Vysty> Now, the REASON I asked, and this hardly counts as being overly cautious, is *what is written here* says that: /etc/default/grub will have added the acpi_osi parameters to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it will look something like this (there may be other kernel options that were added on some previous occassion):  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[00:59] <Vysty> So, per the instructions on this page, this string looks like it might be an output that I need to look out for, NOT something I input.
[00:59] <Vysty> Thus my concern, and thus my question.
[01:00] <TJ-> Vysty: correct
[01:00] <nooryani84> shouldn't it be GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi="!Windows 2015"
[01:00] <nooryani84> ?
[01:00] <Albertx> problem for join in win , oh yes
[01:00] <Vysty> Got it, so I have put in everything.
[01:01] <TJ-> nooryani84: no, stop confusing things :D
[01:01] <nooryani84> ^_^
[01:01] <Albertx> In linux more problem if update windows
[01:01] <nooryani84> i'm so glad i dont have to do anyting in grub anymore
[01:01] <Vysty> TJ-: So now that I've individually put in each line that was in the script, just hope it works better from here on out?
[01:01] <nooryani84> best advice for a non-dell/lenovo is to buy a laptop 2-3 years old.
[01:01] <TJ-> Vysty: you execute the 7 lines that start "VERSION="$(sudo strings ..."
[01:02] <Vysty> TJ-: Done.
[01:02] <TJ-> Vysty: reboot, then suspend, resume,  see if the speaker connectivity behaves
[01:03] <TJ-> Vysty: that is what this acpi_osi= is supposed to fix, if it is the cause
[01:03] <Vysty> Rebooting now.
[01:03] <nooryani84> TJ-: the forwardslashes, are they necessary?
[01:03] <TJ-> nooryani84: oh yes, as the article explains
[01:03] <nooryani84> shouldn't it jus be acpi_osi=! acpi_osi="Windows 2015"
[01:04] <TJ-> nooryani84: "Don't be put off by all the \\ characters. Those are required in order to allow sed to insert literal double-quotation marks into the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX string."
[01:04] <nooryani84> hm
[01:04] <nooryani84> ok
[01:05] <nooryani84> i thought it would be double quotes inside single quotes
[01:05] <nooryani84> though I haven't changed grub via scripts before.
[01:06] <TJ-> nooryani84: there's a $VERSION variable there needs to be evaluated, so can't use single-quotes overall
[01:06] <nooryani84> ah
[01:07] <nooryani84> nicely documented!
[01:07] <nooryani84> *looking over*
[01:11] <Vysty> TJ-: Yo.
[01:11] <Vysty> It worked.
[01:11] <TJ-> Vysty: hmmm, chalk another one up for the ACPI team :)
[01:11] <Vysty> TJ-: hold on... might have another problem...
[01:11] <Vysty> TJ-: Volume seems WAY low now.
[01:12] <TJ-> Vysty: don't blame me !!! :D
[01:12] <Vysty> There we go.
[01:12] <Vysty> TJ-: thanks again TJ for your patience with me.
[01:13] <Vysty> TJ-: Like I said yesterday, I'm usually in here after I become frustrated.
[01:13] <TJ-> Vysty: this time you're ahead of that curve :) Glad you got it sorted out
[01:19] <robozi> Smb know the user tatertots?
[02:10] <JJBby> I have a terminal question, if I am installing something that has over 1 line to enter into the terminal can I copy and paste all of them and have them run or should I copy and run each line seperate?
[02:20] <Pokoloko> Hello i havebeen trying to fix and audio issue ive been having for the past 3 days to no avail.  I can only  hear audio from the right speaker
[02:21] <Pokoloko> for the life of me everything i tried didnt work
[02:21] <Bashing-om> JJBby: Because you ask, then the response is one at a time. Understanding what the command is and some expectation of what the result
[02:21] <Bashing-om> "should be" . :)
[02:24] <Pokoloko> can anyone help please ?
[02:26] <Bashing-om> !ask | Pokoloko
[02:43] <Bashing-om> !manual | JJBby
[02:45] <tatertots> i doubt it
[02:46] <codepython7772> what is a good laptop to buy for ubuntu these days?
[02:56] <Bashing-om> !sound | JJBby
[02:57] <JJBby> Bashing-om thank you! I will look at those as well!
[02:59] <DDR> Hi all. I've got an ubuntu install which is running out of disk space. Using k4dirstat, I can see maybe 20 gb worth of files. I've got another 100 gb on top of that reported as being used by dolphin's disk display. How might I go about finding out where these files are?
[02:59] <JJBby> The ubuntu-manual is having problems with downloading
[02:59] <JJBby> Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/test/includes/db.php:29 Stack trace: #0 /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/test/pages/download.php(125): DB->__construct('db.ubuntu-manua...', '3306', 'ubuntumanual', 'Ba4ieghu') #1 /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/test/includes/router.php(121): require('/home/godbyk/bz...') #2 /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website
[02:59] <JJBby> /test/includes/router.php(31): router->route_request('download/16.04/...') #3 /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/test/includes/router.php(23): router->route() #4 /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/test/index.php(21): router->router() #5 {main} thrown in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual-website/test/includes/db.php on line 29
[02:59] <JJBby> © Copyright 2010–2017 The Ubuntu Manual Team - some rights reservedAll of our work is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike
[03:03] <Bashing-om> !paste | JJBby
[03:04] <JJBby> Thank you!
[03:08] <znh> can someone help me with grub? i have to manually select bootia32.efi which goes to minimal bash and then enter the grub commands to boot. already tried the boot-repair but no success.
[03:12] <JJBby> Is there a way to turn off  or ignore whos entering and exiting the room?
[03:14] <Bashing-om> JJBby: What irc client are you using ? /ignore setting differ .
[03:16] <JJBby> Bashing-om I am using Pidgin and open to suggestions for other IRC clients
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> !grub | znh try this while you wait
[03:21] <Bashing-om> JJBby: I am prejudiced .. but mine of choice is irssi . it is terminal based and has a learning curve :)
[03:22] <dax> if you're not particularly interested in terminal-based learning curves, the usual GUI client these days is hexchat
[03:23] <JJBby> I probably need a GUI until I get a good handle on that Terminal!
[03:24] <JJBby> How do you UNSET something in the terminal and what does that do?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> dax: Ya mind looking at http://ubuntu-manual.org/ . The 'download now' gives a routing error .
[03:25] <dax> I know. I don't know any Ubuntu Manual people, so there's nothing I can do about that.
[03:26] <Bashing-om> dax: K .. we just limp along with out :)
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> morning dax
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> dax: join discuss, we got that graph for you
[03:28] <dax> lotuspsychje: if you could throw it in #ubuntu-ops, that would probably be more useful. I am not, after all, the only person pondering this stuff :)
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> dax: did that yesterday
[03:29] <dax> I saw the one you put in there. I assumed you meant a new, user one.
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> ah, no we havent reached him yet dax
[03:30] <dax> Turns out Pici has one too, so it's not too urgent. Would be interested in seeing if they match though, I am ever wary of statistics.
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> dax: come to discuss mate, alkisg had a nice idea aswell
[03:31] <dax> Again, ops stuff goes in #ubuntu-ops, because I'm neither the sole person interested in this nor particularly active.
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> allright, i did all that yesterday..its not in my hands anymore now
[03:32] <dax> Yes, that was more for any further info or nice ideas, or whatever :)
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> dax, Bashing-om on my side the manual opens and forwards to my language (dutch)
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> country issue?
[03:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Beats me . dax advises is aware of the issue with no known fix .
[03:34] <JJBby> lotuspsyche Maybe its the english link thats broken
[03:35] <dax> To be fair, me being aware of the issue is approximately as useful as anyone else being aware of it. I'm merely a channel operator for #ubuntu, which doesn't make me in any way useful for handing infrastructure issues for some other Ubuntu endeavor.
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: could be yes, we should test more languages
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: perhaps i would talk to the #ubuntu-mirror guys, they might know a way
[03:38] <JJBby> Well does any one have a english version of the ubuntu manual that they could send?
[03:38] <Bashing-om> dax: But but but .. dax you the go to ! Just ask dax :P
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: there are english ubuntu wiki's very usefull as alternative, and manpages from terminal
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[03:39] <JJBby> lotuspsychje: I am less then 12 hours into learning how to use ubuntu. pretty new to irc. And trying to set up some programming software to start moving along theodinproject course. Im pretty new to everything
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | dax
[03:40] <JJBby> loruspsyche: I am running 17.10
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/index.html this opens for you?
[03:43] <JJBby>  lotuspsychje: Yes, it has opened
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: you are now using ubuntu with gnome again, so you can browse gnome online/wiki's see also the ##programming channel and if other questions plz ask ubuntu related here in chat
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: and a warm welcome to the ubuntu community
[03:45] <JJBby>  lotuspsychje: Thank you! its been an experience so far. Every where I look theres only more questions.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: the best approach to ubuntu is experiment yourself, if you get stuck..ask here and lots of reading & learning :p
[03:47] <JJBby>  lotuspsychje: thats the plan, again that you!
[03:58] <JJBby> Would I be able to ask here if I am having trouble installing software?
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: sure mate
[04:00] <Bashing-om> JJBby: sure , So long as it is 'buntu related - the only dumb question is the one you do not ask :)
[04:01] <JJBby> Its using the terminal in Ubuntu to get ruby and ruby on rails together, is that related enough?
[04:01] <JJBby> !paste
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: all packages available for your system you can search first with this command: apt-cache search packagename
[04:02] <JJBby> lotuspsychje: and how do I find the packetname i need?
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: depends on what you need
[04:03] <dekatch> hi
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> dekatch: welcome
[04:05] <dekatch> ha thanks lotuspsychje :)
[04:07] <JJBby> lotuspsychje: I think that worked? Not sure what really changed
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> JJBby: install packages: sudo apt install yourpackage
[04:08] <dekatch> i am struggling a bit atm. i want to move all files from several subdirectories into its main directory
[04:09] <dekatch> and i am looking for a good source / tutorial to teach myself a little
[04:09] <dekatch> oh, i want to do that with the mv command.. and a single command line** i should add
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> !bash | dekatch
[04:12] <dekatch> yea, i know that lotuspsychje . looking for a good guide, a user written one on which several weird usecases are explained
[04:33] <capella> how will you handle filename collisions?
[04:40] <plongshot> I know the officail ubuntu repos for 16.04 contian apache 2.4.18  but is there a convenient way to install 2.4.29  ?  <--- the very very latest version?
[04:41] <plongshot> I've been poking around on the internet but not seing a deb package or a 3rd party repo to add for it
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> !latest | plongshot
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> we dont support ppa's neither plongshot
[04:42] <plongshot> so what do I do?
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> plongshot: if you want a higher version, install another ubuntu version
[04:43] <plongshot> what about adding a repo from a later version of ubuntu?
[04:43] <plongshot> What I mean to say is is that possible?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> plongshot: not reccomended
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | plongshot
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> plongshot: or perhaps try searching snaps of your package? sudo snap find ...
[04:44] <plongshot> thanks
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> plongshot: but mixing package versions on ubuntu can scramble your system
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> so try not to
[04:51] <plongshot> Is there a convenient way to check what version of a package is included in a particular release of ubuntu?
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | plongshot yes with !info packagename ubuntucodename
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> .!info apache xenial for example
[04:56] <plongshot> thanks
[05:14] <avocado1> Hey guys. Complete Linux newbie here, trying to get into any kind of friendly community here :)
[05:17] <Bashing-om> avocado1: You have found the support channel . general chat and friendly folks too in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[05:18] <avocado1> Oh ok, thanks!
[05:54] <ubuntivity> Hello. How can I edit the Title bar (window decoration) in themes folder in Ubuntu 16.04?
[06:05] <en1gma> ok im pretty sure i have a problem with adb and ubuntu desktop 16.04 x64 LTS. when i plug in my phone and put into usb debug mode i can not connect with 'adb shell' command. if i boot to windows 10 x64 i can. i have revoked keys several times for each
[06:05] <en1gma> only in windows 10 will it ask my to accept computers connection after i have revoked keys (like it supposed to)
[06:06] <en1gma> with ubuntu and adb i can not get the popup and am always unauthorized
[06:06] <en1gma> in 'adb devices'
[06:08] <en1gma> can anyone help out on this. i hate booting to windows just to do adb commands when its awesome to do in ubuntu
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> en1gma: whats your endgoal with smartphone?
[06:14] <alkisg> Good morning all
[06:15] <alkisg> en1gma: sometimes `killall adb-server; sudo adb shell` helps, i.e. running it with sudo...
[06:21] <en1gma> ahh lemme try that. i just deleted the keys in .android. i think i need to reboot it says. 1 min
[06:24] <en1gma> yea didnt work
[06:24] <en1gma> also tried 'sudo adb shell' too
[06:24] <en1gma> it never made any new keys in "~/.android'
[06:24] <alkisg> When running with sudo, make sure that `ps aux|grep adb` reports nothing running
[06:25] <alkisg> Otherwise it can't bind to ports etc, they're already used
[06:25] <en1gma> k lemme check. i pretty sure i did 'adb kill-server' though
[06:25] <alkisg> Btw, you do see the phone in lsusb, right?
[06:26] <en1gma> alkisg that did it
[06:27] <en1gma> i killed all and did not start adb with 'adb start-server'
[06:27] <en1gma> this time i just started it with 'sudo adb shell' and it started up and then i got the authentication popup.
[06:27] <en1gma> thank-you
[06:35] <el> Bashing-om: lotuspsychje: i found that username on launchpad and pinged them with a message about the manual site and just got an email to say it should be fixed now.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> el: ok tnx
[07:07] <johan-hedin> hi, which web cam you will refer to use on ubuntu 16 ? i am looking lot of these are  only supported with windows
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> johan-hedin: most cams get recognized in ubuntu
[07:09] <johan-hedin> quantum not working it
[07:11] <johan-hedin> lotuspsychje, any webcam additional , you will suggest which can give best performace when i am doing my whiteboard presentation
[07:11] <johan-hedin> ?
[07:15] <hateball> johan-hedin: you could try asking in ##hardware I guess
[07:16] <hateball> other than that, like lotuspsychje said most cams should work, at least to some degree
[07:16] <Furai> Is there a way to refresh ubuntu installation.
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> Furai: use a liveusb with the ubuntu of your choice, and preserve your /home from there: refreshed
[07:25] <Furai> Right, and loose anything custom from opt.
[07:26] <Furai> Anyway, that's what I did with prevoious upgrade.
[07:26] <Furai> This time I went with do-release-upgrade and I'm having minor issues since then.
[07:26] <Furai> Anyway, will figure it out.
[07:28] <dan2wik> Could I make a cd-rw drive into a swap drive?
[07:31] <alkisg> dan2wik, no
[07:36] <alkisg> Furai, what issues?
[07:37] <Furai> alkisg, DE crashing on random. Like even whole login session. Sometimes happens just like that, but most of the time when I unlock machine.
[07:38] <alkisg> Furai, on next login, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old or /var/crash for the crash
[07:41] <Furai> Hmm, might do.
[07:42] <Furai> But most often then not when it happens I have to force shutdown PC (in case switching to new tty doesn't seems to work).
[07:42] <alkisg> Furai, xorg writes xorg.log when it crashes, and on next reboot it renames it to .old. It should be there unless it's a really hard crash
[07:44] <Furai> Ok, thanks.
[07:44] <alkisg> np
[07:45] <Furai> Also, it seems like I don't have wayland at all. I wonder if all this problems comes from the fact that I was using ubuntu gnome since 15.10
[07:46] <Furai> Anyway, it kind of works. And I think that when 18.04 will come out - then I'll do a fresh installation (preserving directories I want).
[08:12]  * alkisg tries to find out if firefox in 16.04 is build with aslr (address randomization...) causing it to be slow in i386 systems...
[08:13] <alkisg> Whoops, yup, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/BuiltPIE
[08:54] <odinsbane> Is the default desktop still unity in 16.04?
[08:55] <trijntje> odinsbane: yes
[09:01] <odinsbane> thanks. Not sure if I should set my mom up with that because of lts, or one with gnome as default.
[09:12] <pavlushka> I want to give ordinal values to a set of numeric entries in a spreadsheet but need some idea/help on how to formulate it in spreadsheet
[09:17] <pavlushka> got it, =RANK(AA4,AA$3:AA$27)
[10:36] <dn1987p> Hello, I'm having troubles connecting a client to a WLAN. While I figured out last week that disabling IPv6 solves the issues, now the fix doesnt seem to work anymore...
[10:36] <dn1987p> I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 and try to connect via NetworkManager, any ideas what I could check/try?
[11:06] <LyzardKing> Hi! I'm the maintainer for ubuntu-make. I need to change (or remove?) the page in wiki.ubuntu.com. I can't log in atm (even in the ubuntu community forum...)
[11:08] <LyzardKing> ok...I managed to login, but the page is set to immutable...
[11:10] <czart> I just installed Java JRE by typing in 'sudo apt-get install default-jre'. This installs Open JDK, right? Is there a big difference between Open and Oracle JDKs, just if I am using Java run other applications (I will not be developing in Java)?
[11:10] <Flannel> LyzardKing: #ubuntu-doc is probably a better place to ask.
[11:11] <alkisg> czart: yes there's significant difference, keep it in mind in case you see apps not working or running very slowly, in which case install the oracle version
[11:11] <czart> alkisg: OK, thanks for sharing experience :)
[11:11] <alkisg> np
[11:17] <omenius> so firefox is unusable for me, leaking the memory full in matter of minutes and never clearing it when ff is closed
[11:17] <omenius> any other good browsers? Tried chromium but that sucker is missing bookmarks from left hand side
[11:18] <Typh> Google Chrome omenius :)
[11:18] <Typh> omenius: https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html
[11:18] <alkisg> If you think you discovered firefox leaks in a reproducible manner, you should report them
[11:19] <alkisg> Firefox works fine for thousands of users...
[11:19] <Leevancleef> Thousands is an understatement
[11:19] <alkisg> ...with the same version of ubuntu :D
[11:19] <Leevancleef> lol, more accurate
[11:20] <Leevancleef> And I can't believe someone seriously recommended proprietary Google Chrome
[11:20] <Leevancleef> And provided the link. As if anyone using Freenode IRC isn't aware of the world's endemic web browser
[11:22] <Typh> I mean... it spies on you... but it's stable and nice to use... :)
[11:22] <Typh> Isn't that what most users care about? Stableness?
[11:22] <omenius> the spy part is little too much for mee
[11:23] <omenius> cannot be myself when spied
[11:23] <Typh> omenius Other Linux browser options are Midori, Epiphany, Konqueror, Qupzilla, Dillo <(not recommended to try Dillo)
[11:23] <omenius> I find myself speaking differently when I'm near of iPhone knowingly
[11:23] <ThinkT510> omenius: what do you mean chromium is missing bookmarks?
[11:24] <omenius> Midori I like really much for light usage
[11:24] <omenius> I can get bookmarks only on top bar, not on left side
[11:24] <ThinkT510> omenius: and that means the browser is entirely unviable for you?
[11:25] <omenius> well yes, I have ton of bookmarks that I constantly use
[11:25] <jk^> when i need a software, have i to download and install it from official site or software center?
[11:25] <alkisg> From software center
[11:26] <omenius> btw. how do you put softwares in software center? Sometimes I'm a bit paranoid about software being official
[11:26] <jk^> is it not safe download and install from official site?
[11:26] <jk^> alkisg?
[11:26] <ThinkT510> omenius: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/bookmark%20sidebar?hl=en-GB
[11:26] <alkisg> It's not recommended, because it's not checked by ubuntu developers
[11:27] <omenius> thanks, did not think about extensions
[11:27] <alkisg> jk^: Which software are you talking about?
[11:27] <jk^> ok alkisg
[11:28] <omenius> oh wee, now I have more fancier side bookmark panel than ever
[11:29] <jk^> alkisg: i can't find chrome :\ why?
[11:29] <alkisg> jk^: sudo apt install chromium-browser
[11:29] <alkisg> That's the one provided by ubuntu
[11:36] <jk^> i can't open a .txt file :\
[11:38] <jk^> It tells me "Invalid UTF-8"
[11:38] <Typh> jk^ Open terminal and type 'nano <filename>'
[11:43] <jk^> 12:42:07) jk^: i try to download tor browser from software
[11:43] <jk^> (12:42:25) jk^: it tells me "Signature verification failed"
[11:43] <jk^> (12:42:25) jk^: what means?
[11:43] <jk^> "You might be under attack, or there might just be a networking problem, click start try download again"
[11:48] <matt3o12> I sometimes use a shared server and wish to use my own shell. I can install it and launch it from bash but I cannot change it using chsh because it is not listed under /etc/shells. What are my best options to change the shell?
[11:53] <matt3o12> I cannot put it into ~/.bashrc because it breaks scp. I cannot put it into ~/.bash_profile  because this gets not execute when I login using xfce4-terminal. And I cannot put it into ~/.profile because this breaks logging in completely (my home folder is mounted via NFS (i believe) so that I can log into it using ssh and so that I can log into it on many shared desktops).
[12:00] <EraserPencil> what are the reasons sudo chmod 777 gives me only rwxr-xr-x
[12:01] <EraserPencil> trying to get my database up and runnning but hit a writing permissions error
[12:03] <geirha> the filesystem probably don't support unix permissions
[12:03] <EraserPencil> huh?
[12:04] <EraserPencil> it's postgresql for ubuntu
[12:06] <geirha> If the file you are trying to chmod is on a filesystem that doesn't support unix permissions (such as FAT32), then chmod will not be able to change the file permissions
[12:27] <tyil> for some reason, my ubuntu 16.04 is having pinentry troubles in thunderbird
[12:27] <tyil> I get the error "GnuPG cannot query your passphrase via pinentry.
[12:27] <tyil> "
[12:27] <tyil> however, using just gpg -d I can decrypt files properly
[12:27] <tyil> pinentry is also available at /usr/bin/pinentry
[12:28] <tyil> (and so are pinentry-curses, pinentry-gtk2, pinentry-qt, pinentry-x11)
[12:32] <tyil> using mutt with their sample gpg config yields a similar error, and no mails can be encrypted, decrypted or signed
[12:44] <cek> Guys, I'm trying to find a snl star wars parody where baldwin was selling guns to the crowd. What episode was that?
[12:55] <dekatch> cek, a parody. you might want to stress out google for that request. do light search terms. "star wars parody baldwin" or something and consume all the media suggested
[12:56] <dekatch> i rather guess the video will be on yt?
[12:56] <cek> dekatch: i searched 10 pages of that
[12:56] <dekatch> so consume only the yt videos to filter some stuff out
[12:56] <cek> maybe it wasn't baldwin?
[12:57] <dekatch> maybe start for the original episode
[12:57] <dekatch> and then combine your search terms with parody
[12:58] <cek> what was the original ep? the jew, watto was trying to sell some guns I think , in a cave / shop
[12:58] <dekatch> not a star wars geek here dunno
[12:58] <dekatch> lol
[12:58] <dekatch> id suggest try #starwars LOL
[12:59]  * dekatch rofling it out
[12:59] <cek> 0 users channel, already tried.
[12:59] <dekatch> !info #starwars
[13:00] <dekatch> dunno, just was there, but there are some users
[13:01] <dekatch> but possible they never respond to anything - maybe just some bnc
[13:39] <throstur> I cannot install nginx or nginx-full, dpkg shows error 'subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1'. What can I do?
[13:44] <EriC^^> throstur: can you pastebin the fulll output?
[13:44] <teward> throstur: pastebin the full output, as well as the output of `sudo systemctl -l status nginx`
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:51] <throstur> systemctl: http://sprunge.us/jdAT ; apt-get: http://sprunge.us/CAJW
[13:51] <throstur> these were after trying once
[14:05] <blackflow> throstur: running anything else on port 80?
[14:10] <throstur> blackflow: I don't know, but what does it matter, I don't want to run nginx on port 80
[14:10] <throstur> I just want to install it
[14:10] <throstur> and run it on port 8090 :)
[14:13] <tyil> nobody here has any clue why pinentry on ubuntu 16.04 is fucked?
[14:14] <EriC^^> throstur: what does dpkg -l | grep -Ev "^(ii|rc)" show you?
[14:14] <blackflow> throstur: then reconfigure it and run again. what you're seeing is defaults, which want port 80, so the postinst script trying to start nginx at default port 80, failed.
[14:14] <blackflow> throstur: but it installed it. so reconfig to different port, and start it.
[14:15] <zaapiel> hi
[14:15] <EriC^^> hello
[14:15] <zaapiel> my sound isnt working
[14:15] <zaapiel> it shows 100% on the mixer but no audio is available for any application
[14:15] <EriC^^> zaapiel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[14:15] <zaapiel> ty
[14:16] <zaapiel> EriC^^, does it matter if im on kubuntu
[14:17] <throstur> EriC^^: http://sprunge.us/CLSV
[14:17] <throstur> blackflow: how do I reconfigure it?
[14:19] <blackflow> throstur: https://nginx.org/en/docs/
[14:19] <blackflow> throstur: the config is under /etc/nginx/
[14:20] <throstur> I found the problem, there is a symlink in sites-enabled called 'default' that wants to run the server on port 80
[14:20] <throstur> so I must somehow delete this file during installation
[14:21] <blackflow> or stop whatever is running on port 80 until you install nginx
[14:21] <throstur> no.. that doesn't work, I have no way of knowing what could be running on port 80 and whether or not it is safe to shut it down
[14:21] <blackflow> throstur: sure you do. there's netstat, or ss
[14:22] <throstur> blackflow: I'm automating this. I'm not going to enumerate every singe possible service that could possibly be running on port 80 for any possible customer
[14:22] <blackflow> throstur: eg, sudo ss -4lp
[14:22] <blackflow> throstur: then indeed you have to modify the package not to start nginx upon installation.
[14:23] <blackflow> throstur: there's a way to prevent "maintainer scripts" from being run on installation which basically does just that.
[14:23] <throstur> now we're talking... so how do I do that?
[14:23] <insidious> Anyone know how to change the DPI settings to make the font and menus larger?
[14:23] <blackflow> throstur: iirc this was one way, but I don't know if that still applies: https://jpetazzo.github.io/2013/10/06/policy-rc-d-do-not-start-services-automatically/
[14:24] <insidious> for
[14:24] <insidious>  uname -a
[14:24] <insidious> Linux solaris 3.19.0-80-generic #88~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 13 14:54:07 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:24] <throstur> insidious: are you using the X window system?
[14:25] <insidious> i reckon.
[14:25] <blackflow> throstur: another solution is to make your own nginx package (using existing src deb), and modify those post-inst steps however you see fit.
[14:26] <throstur> blackflow: sadly this introduces security issues and forces us to maintain a custom package
[14:27] <blackflow> throstur: however, I hope you realize that this is a total hack and wrong way to do. the administrator of the system where the package is being installed must know of such conflicts and do the necessary steps in order to satisfy all the requirements.
[14:27] <throstur> exactly
[14:27] <insidious> Any ideas?
[14:27] <blackflow> throstur: it doesn't introduce security issues, you only have to track the src deb and bump it every time it updates upstream (ubuntu being your upstream)
[14:28] <blackflow> throstur: right, so you don't have to worry about it then. the admin installing the package must take care of it.
[14:28] <throstur> blackflow: it is a security issue because the deployment is in an "isolated" environment where the origin of updated packages could be coming from anyway
[14:28] <throstur> for example, we could deploy in China and our cdn might not be whitelisted
[14:29] <blackflow> throstur: then such security issue exists regardless of whether you install from src deb or deb.
[14:29] <throstur> so then even if we would maintain the package, the user would be vulnerable by virtue of being behind the great firewall
[14:29] <blackflow> throstur: another way is to build a snap...
[14:29] <throstur> we just have to do it right once, and then we never have to worry about it again
[14:29] <blackflow> throstur: so you have several options now. 1) disable maintainer scripts on target machines, 2) build your own package, 3) use snaps
[14:29] <throstur> I'm not adding another technical debt nightmare to my list of things to get sorted
[14:29] <throstur> 1 is totally winning
[14:30] <blackflow> yes, but... i've had issues with that when I used that approach. it also prevents _other_ important maintainer scripts.
[14:30] <insidious> in settings , display i don't see a option to change DPI settings.
[14:30] <blackflow> ie. I don't know of a way to disable just _starting_ a service upon installation of a package.
[14:31] <insidious> or maybe its the scaling i'm need to change
[14:31] <throstur> blackflow: well it's trivially easy to just isolate the installed package with two sed commands
[14:31] <insidious> to make windows etc look bigger
[14:31] <throstur> we already have the requirement that the installation script must be executed with full root privs
[14:32] <blackflow> throstur: containers were invented for precisely this kind of problems. isolating services/applications in their specific namespaces (in this case network ns) so they don't collied with other stuff on the machine.
[14:32] <throstur> insidious: it would be a good idea to figure out what window manager you're using. I don't know how you can figure it out graphically, but you can probably figure it out by looking at your distribution's home page
[14:32] <blackflow> trying to work around the possibility that something else runs on port 80, from the packaging side, is totally wrong.
[14:32] <insidious> gnome
[14:32] <throstur> blackflow: indeed... and we use containers a lot. But you can't 1000 containers into a container inside a container
[14:32] <TJ-> throstur: instead of creating a custom package, just use dpkg-divert for /etc/nginx/sites-enabled before installing nginx
[14:32] <throstur> but you *can* put 1000 of containers into a physical host
[14:33] <throstur> insidious: google 'gnome increase dp'
[14:33] <insidious> there is no slider in the display menu for scaling for some reason
[14:33] <throstur> change that to dpi
[14:34] <insidious> throstur, i have done that... problem is postings from 2008 and 2011 methods are not working.
[14:34] <blackflow> throstur: sounds like you don't have the control over the target systems and are trying to work around missing/incompetent admins that can't pre-solve such collisions with proper configuration/containerization. not sure you have any options then.
[14:35] <TJ-> throstur: e.g. "dpkg-divert --divert /tmp/default --rename /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default" (or sites-available/default)
[14:35] <blackflow> dpkg-divert, maintainer scripts policy, all that is something that the _Admin_ has to do, not somethign you can pre-package.
[14:35] <throstur> TJ-: so dpkg-divert --divert /tmp --rename /etc/nginx/sites-enabled
[14:35] <throstur> haha TJ- it took me that long to read the man page x)
[14:36] <throstur> blackflow: you can totally prepackage this...
[14:36] <TJ-> throstur: It depends on what is creating the sites-enabled/default symlink, if it's a post-inst script that'll fail, so you may need to target sites-available//default which is a real file from the package
[14:36] <throstur> I see
[14:36] <throstur> otherwise it would not even create the directory, right?
[14:37] <TJ-> throstur: experiment with it, but for orchestration I use dpkg-divert a lot for controlling configs in this way
[14:37] <Ediz> Hello, I am trying to make my existing middlewares work after upgrading to 5.5 - but after successful login I am being redirected back to the login page (the middleware is working but the logged in user is somehow not persisting) here is my code -> https://hastebin.com/rujizufoza.php <- I'm most certainly missing something can someone help?
[14:37] <throstur> I love it TJ-, this is probably the best solution so far. I will test it now
[14:37] <Ediz> oops wrong chan
[14:37] <TJ-> throstur: dpkg-divert before the package is first installed and you're covered
[14:38] <throstur> TJ-: hehe, kind of obvious :) but thanks
[14:38] <blackflow> orchestrating a system where you don't know what's running and on what port? now, what could possibly go wrong :)
[14:39] <TJ-> blackflow: that doesn't enter into it at this point; the whole point is to prevent nginx's default config from being applied
[14:39] <blackflow> TJ-: so what's wrong with first creating the config files?
[14:40] <blackflow> why divert at all? just echo "<config>" > /etc/nginx/sites-available/default
[14:40] <blackflow> I don't get the point of diverting. you're doing config management, so just pre-define the config files.
[14:42] <insidious> all i can find is how to change the font scaling
[14:42] <insidious> does not change the windows or menu bar tho
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[14:44] <insidious> i found this gsettings set org.gnome.mutter experimental-features "['scale-monitor-framebuffer']"
[14:44] <insidious> but don't work
[14:45] <Teduardo> Howdy, I did apt-get upgrade on an Ubuntu machine and it was going through it's whole dealy and then i ctrl-c'd on the wrong thing and it stopped. How do I restart what it was doing so that it completes?
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[14:45] <TJ-> Teduardo: "apt-get -f install" should make it sane again
[14:45] <insidious> is Fractional Scaling in GNOME
[14:45] <insidious> what i'm trying to change.
[14:47] <Teduardo> TJ-: it was ctrl-c'd during the post install tasks it looks like last thing it said was "processing triggers for ureadahead"
[14:47] <Teduardo> so technically all of the stuff was upgraded, but i guess not all of the post install tasks were finished.
[14:51] <throstur> TJ-: it seems the divert you showed me does not work as expected, the symlink exists anyway. Maybe it was created earlier?
[14:51] <throstur> I'll check that, if that is the case I can just nuke it before installing
[14:51] <Teduardo> I guess I will reboot it and hope for the best.
[14:51] <Teduardo> yikes.
[14:52] <blackflow> throstur: just pre-create the file
[14:52] <blackflow> throstur: even empty is ok. mkdir -p /etc/nginx/sites-available && echo > /etc/nginx/sites-available/default
[14:53] <blackflow> I'd have suggested that first, but it wasn't clear you're doing config management / orchestration, because it makes no sense you do that and don't know what's running on the system.
[14:54] <throstur> yeah, well I'm only responsible for a very small part of the installation... it's a behemoth. this install script is designed for machines with minimum 64 cores and 256gb ram
[14:55] <throstur> I don't even know what nginx is being used for
[14:55] <throstur> sometimes it's OK to be a monkey and let someone else do the planning...
[14:55] <blackflow> throstur: I really don't understand your use case. If you have the control of "apt install nginx" side, then you can pre-define whatevre config you want.
[14:56] <blackflow> otherwise you really need custom packages, or a snap, or containers of whatever kind.
[15:08] <Timmmm> Hi, I think I've found a bug in Python 2 in Ubuntu, but I'm using 16.04 so it might have been fixed. Can someone quickly run this on a newer version to check for me? $ python -c "import sysconfig; print(sysconfig.get_path('include'))"
[15:09] <Timmmm> It should say `/usr/include/python2.7` but on my system it says `/usr/local/include/python2.7` and there's nothing there.
[15:09] <akik> Timmmm: ubuntu doesn't install python to /usr/local
[15:09] <Timmmm> akik: I know - that is the bug.
[15:11] <akik> Timmmm: you're right
[15:11] <akik> Timmmm: it prints /usr/local/include/python2.7 on 16.04
[15:12] <Timmmm> akik: Yep. I was hoping someone could check it on newer versions.
[15:12] <geirha> it's probably a packaging bug
[15:17] <Timmmm> Is everyone still on 16.04?
[15:19] <mentalita> no?
[15:20] <blackflow> Timmmm: same on 17.10 for python2.7
[15:20] <Timmmm> blackflow: Thank you!
[15:40] <throstur> how do I force apt-daily.timer and apt-daily-upgrade.timer to NOT be running and to stop whatever they may have started?
[15:41] <throstur> because I have this annoying race condition that I restore to snapshot but the timer triggered in time that "never happened" and so as soon as I restore from snapshot I have to wait for a while before I can test my stuff
[15:45] <TJ-> throstur: via 'systemctl'
[15:45] <throstur> TJ-: but stopping/disabling the timer will not stop the underlying, already started apt job will it?
[15:46] <throstur> or is the solution "restore from snapshot, disable with systemctl, wait for apt to finish and release lock, then make new snapshot" ?
[15:46] <throstur> seems like duct tape to me
[15:47] <TJ-> throstur: of a process is already running then either let it run to completion, or  try "systemctl stop apt-daily.service" or whatever it is called
[15:47] <zaapiel> i need some help
[15:47] <throstur> TJ-: I systemctl cat apt-daily.timer and couldn't find the name of the service :(
[15:47] <zaapiel> i need to know what device my usb is mounted from
[15:47] <throstur> oh well
[15:47] <zaapiel> anyway to tell
[15:47] <throstur> zaapiel: lsusb
[15:47] <throstur> maybe lsblk
[15:48] <throstur> I don't have a mounted USB to verify
[15:48] <zaapiel> it says bus 001
[15:49] <throstur> zaapiel: so probably /dev/bus/001/...
[15:49] <Ontani> hey guys, i'm trying to install samba and access it from a windows device. I've tried the simplest config I can find
[15:49] <TJ-> throstur: "systemctl status" initially. see "man systemctl" for a wide variety of options
[15:49] <Ontani> https://pastebin.com/rAVkmswB
[15:49] <throstur> Ontani: the guide at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/samba is suprisingly verbose, you can probably figure out how to solve your issue with that as a reference
[15:50] <Ontani> i'm not sure if its a windows issue or not I don't have any other clients to test with
[15:50] <Ontani> i'm just getting: Windows cannot access \\192.168.6.250
[15:50] <Ontani> i'm able to ping without issues
[15:51] <throstur> Ontani: if you need to test with another client, you can mount it on your own machine with mount -t cifs ... -o uid=...
[15:51] <robairt> \info
[15:52] <throstur> -o guest,uid=ontari,gid=ontari,iocharset
[15:52] <robairt> my bad
[15:56] <Squarism> anyone know how to move launcher from one monitor to another when using dual screens in 17.04
[15:56] <Squarism> ?
[15:58] <blackflow> Squarism: on Unity? Settings -> displays (or whatsitcalled), there's "Launcher placement" drop down
[16:04] <Ontani> it was iptables :(
[16:41] <throstur> how do I supply an answer to this at invocation time? http://sprunge.us/CNFN
[16:41] <throstur> I tried -yq but to no avail
[16:42] <ddoobb> Backup  software recommemdations?
[16:43] <mDfRg> ddoobb what kind of backup
[16:43] <mDfRg> ddoobb what are your needs?
[16:44] <mDfRg> OneKey, are your ports open>
[16:45] <ddoobb> Backup  software recommemdations? I'd also like to get into the habit of taking regular, say weekly backups after this.
[16:45] <mDfRg> 137/udp 138/udp 139 tcp 445 tcp
[16:45] <ddoobb> sorry
[16:46] <ddoobb> I'd like to take a full disk backup before I move some partitions around.
[16:46] <ddoobb> I'd also like to get into the habit of taking regular, say weekly backups after this.
[16:46] <mDfRg> ddoobb, please elaborate on the specific use case scenario. Or you\ll get general recommendation, probably useless
[16:46] <mDfRg> Full root disk backup?
[16:46] <mDfRg> Or /home dir?
[16:47] <ddoobb> Full hard drive backup
[16:47] <throstur> ddoobb: out of curiosity, why do you want this? (as opposed for example to /home backup)
[16:47] <mDfRg> you want to clone disk to have a system snapshot or do u care more about specific file versioning?
[16:48] <ddoobb> Just a snapshot I can revert to in case my partitioning experiment goes wrong
[16:48] <throstur> ddoobb: use a virtual machine
[16:48] <mDfRg> then Clonezilla
[16:48] <mDfRg> Clonezilla all the way for you
[16:50] <TJ-> I'd add a disk, create an ephemeral (no metadata) MD RAID-1 mirror, sync, break the mirror. Then I've got a disk I can instantly swap to if the 'experiment' goes wrong
[16:50] <mDfRg> download latest stable iso, burn it to CD/DVD or write to USB just as you'd do live USB with any other Linux distro, then boot to it
[16:50] <devel_> Guys, how do i mount efi system in live cd, i want to restore backup, but dunno how to mount it.
[16:50] <devel_> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt doesnt work, busy or smth, umount doesnt help
[16:50] <mDfRg> with Clonezilla your snapshot is compressed, co it takes less space with what TJ is recommneding
[16:51] <devel_> the system i want to access is efi and i am on live cd
[16:51] <TJ-> mDfRg: my aim would be for speed of recovery to a working system, rather than space, for a full-disk backup
[16:52] <mDfRg> TJ-, clonezilla has it under the hood adjustments and is in fact faster than simple dd / RAID 1 clone
[16:53] <throstur> TJ-:  the dpkg-divert thing isn't working, could you help me with that? it seems that dpkg-divert --divert /tmp/default --rename '/etc/nginx/sites-enabled/*' and dpkg-divert --divert /tmp/default --rename /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default both do nothing to prevent the file from being created
[16:53] <ddoobb> sorry i may have missed some responses due to connectivity issues
[16:53] <throstur> ddoobb: mDfRg | with Clonezilla your snapshot is compressed, co it takes less space with what TJ is recommneding
[16:53] <throstur> this is the only thing you missed of importance
[16:54] <throstur> does ubuntu have a system-wide environment file, that all users automatically inherit?
[16:55] <mDfRg> ddoobb, here you go: https://pastebin.com/b2VrgcNy
[16:59] <TJ-> throstur: dpkg-divert won't affect anything that is created by scripts, it'll only affect files shipped in the package. I wouldn't expect symlinks in sites-enabled/ to be shipped, but sites-available/default *may* be shipped. Check the list of files installed by the nginx* packages, using either "apt file list" or (if installed) "dpkg -L <package-name>"
[16:59] <BlitzerHound> So I took off my password so that my room mates could use my computer, but now I'm having trouble. I can't use any sudo commands because it still asks me for a password, and I can't even add a password now because unlocking the account tab in settings also requires a password. Is there something I can do?
[16:59] <TJ-> throstur: /etc/environment you mean?
[16:59] <throstur> TJ-: thanks
[17:00] <TJ-> throstur: if sites-available/default is created by a script then dpkg-divert can't help you
[17:00] <throstur> TJ-: how do you do apt file list? it says file is not an action
[17:00] <TJ-> throstur: sorry, "apt-file list" - it's a separate package ("apt install apt-file")
[17:01] <throstur> ah, got it thanks
[17:01] <mDfRg> BlitzerHound, boot to console (from grub) and with root enter passwd <username>
[17:01] <Squarism> blackflow, thanks. Not sure how i could have missed that =D
[17:02] <mDfRg> BlitzerHound, next time just make a separate profile for friends or enable guest account
[17:02] <BlitzerHound> Okay. Now how do I boot to console and what is grub?
[17:02] <mDfRg> giving away PC without password is a bad idea unless it's a plastic takeaway
[17:03] <BlitzerHound> I didn't give it away, it's my room mate. They just use my computer while I'm at work sometimes.
[17:03] <mDfRg> BlitzerHound, google is your friend: https://askubuntu.com/questions/92556/how-do-i-boot-into-a-root-shell
[17:03] <mDfRg> BlitzerHound, either way anyone can access it via internet, right?
[17:04] <BlitzerHound> My computer?
[17:04] <mDfRg> BlitzerHound, is it offline?
[17:04] <BlitzerHound> No
[17:04] <TJ-> throstur: I once had a similar issue, albeit temporary, so I did a quick and dirty hack! Something like this: "mkdir /etc/nginx; mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /etc/nginx", then "apt install nginx", then "mkdir -p /tmp/nginx; mount --move /etc/nginx /tmp/nginx; rm /tmp/nginx/sites-enabled/default; mv /tmp/nginx /etc/nginx; umount /tmp/nginx"
[17:04] <mDfRg> With cable/wifi unplugged?
[17:04] <BlitzerHound> No, it's on wifi
[17:05] <TJ-> throstur: mucho hacko but does the job :)
[17:05] <mDfRg> so if it can connect to the Internet, the Internet can connect to it, right?
[17:05] <mDfRg> There is a reason you cannot skip password in the installer
[17:06] <BlitzerHound> Well, if it's someone trying to access my computer from somewhere else, I don't know that a password is going to help me.
[17:06] <BlitzerHound> I don't know anything about hacking.
[17:06] <mDfRg> worst case scenario just enable autologin so your friend will not have to enter password
[17:06] <throstur> haha TJ-  that's a beautiful albeit risky as hell looking hack
[17:06] <BlitzerHound> I tried enabling auto log in, but it didn't work. I still had to put in my password.
[17:07] <TJ-> throstur: indeed, but as the package doesn't lend itself to sane config control...!
[17:07] <throstur> haha... I think I'll manage with sites-available trick
[17:07] <mDfRg> guest session / separate account sounds safer
[17:09] <BlitzerHound> I'll probably do that then if I get the password working again.
[17:10] <mDfRg> Just do as stated in askubuntu link. It's easy.
[17:10] <BlitzerHound> I'm reading it now
[17:12] <TJ-> throstur: There's another more 'package-manager' friendly way; Use "apt-get install --download-only nginx" - now you've all the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archive/ - then use "cd /var/cache/apt/archive; dpkg --unpack nginx*" then remove the default files from where-ever they are unpacked to, or remove the (part of) the script that is creating the symlink, then finish with "dpkg --configure nginx-common
[17:12] <TJ-> nginx-core nginx-full" or whatever the package list is
[17:13] <throstur> TJ-: thanks, I'll write this down. I think it worked though, by diverting sites-available
[17:20] <BlitzerHound> So when I get into shell thing, I just put "enter passwd <username>" and replace it with my username?
[17:21] <mDfRg> you enter 'passwd yourusername'
[17:21] <mDfRg> and then new password twice
[17:21] <mDfRg> you don't have encrypted home?
[17:22] <BlitzerHound> I don't know what that is, so probably not.
[17:22] <mDfRg> yeah, probably not. SO you're good to go
[17:23] <BlitzerHound> Alright, thanks again for your help.
[17:25] <mDfRg> 👍
[17:45] <BlitzerHound> Alright, so it says to hold shift or any other button during boot, and nothing happened. I tried it like 5 times and the same result trying it on different parts of the boot.
[17:47] <electricmilk> BlitzerHound,  I just came in. What are you trying to do?
[17:48] <BlitzerHound> I can't use sudo because I removed my password, so I'm trying to make a new one. I need a password to unlock the user accounts tab, so I can't add a password like that. So I was told I could boot into shell or root or whatever and change it from there. But I can't boot into root.
[17:49] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: EFI system ? then it is the escape key that grub looks for . spam the escpape - 3 second window of opportunity - as soon as the bios splash screen clears .
[17:49] <BlitzerHound> Oh. So I just keep pushing it while it's booting?
[17:49] <BlitzerHound> It said I should hold it
[17:50] <electricmilk> I see
[17:50] <BlitzerHound> I'll try it again with the escape key
[17:50] <TJ-> BlitzerHound: it's the Escape key these days
[17:50] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: Here are easy instructions to reset your password in Ubuntu: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword // quickly press/release the escape key .
[17:50] <TJ-> BlitzerHound: UEFI doesn't provide a way for the boot loader to monitor the state of the Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys like was possible with BIOS boot
[18:02] <BlitzerHound> Alright, so that worked, and it said I changed my password. But I still can't use the password for the terminal or to set my password. So I don't know what I changed the password for.
[18:04] <BlitzerHound> Is there anything else I can do?
[18:05] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: You are aware that when the pass word is entered in terminal there is no response ? Just enter the pass word blindly and hit the enter key .
[18:05] <BlitzerHound> I know, I entered it. But it said it was wrong, and after 3 tries kicked me out
[18:07] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: Ouch, sorry - now above my skill level .
[18:07] <BlitzerHound> Well, I was thinking about changing to a different distro. Would that help by any chance?
[18:09] <Bashing-om> BlitzerHound: Well, a re-install is rather drastic .
[18:10] <DrkShad0w> Creating a deb file, is there a way I can auto-mark my package as "hold"?
[18:10] <BlitzerHound> Well it wasn't for this reason, but I was going to change it anyway
[18:11] <DrkShad0w> The problem is it installs a version range of another package, but my package is removed on an apt-get upgrade and a package outside the desired range is installed.
[18:12] <auronandace> !pinning | DrkShad0w
[18:12] <DrkShad0w> pinning did not do it for me, and pinning I have to set up on each individual server. my goal is just do it with a package..
[18:12] <DrkShad0w> even with a package pinned, it will still remove the package and upgrade the "other" package.
[18:13] <Albertx> to any have problem with the installation over secondlife.com for ubuntu ?
[18:18] <DrkShad0w> Is there a way I can hold a package I've made on install? It's requiring a specific version range of another package and pinning just removes my package on dist-upgrade.
[18:21] <Sleaker> DrkShad0w: probably check out the Pinning how to on the wiki
[18:21] <Sleaker> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[18:21] <Sleaker> it mentions how to give priorities to specific releases.
[18:21] <DrkShad0w> sleaker: pinning just causes my package to be _removed_ on upgrade.
[18:21] <Sleaker> did you add a release to the apt.preferences?
[18:21] <DrkShad0w> It upgrades a dependency and because my package requires a lower version my package is removed. It doesn't hold ym package and keep back the dependency as well.
[18:22] <DrkShad0w> I don't know the release. I don't have one specified in any file.
[18:22] <DrkShad0w> I just specify version. I assume the same behavior would be seen if I specified a release instead of a version.
[18:23] <Sleaker> DrkShad0w: are you dist-upgrading to a new release or same release just updates?
[18:24] <DrkShad0w> same release.
[18:24] <Sleaker> ah I don't think pinning will work for that.
[18:24] <DrkShad0w> but ya know it's now working. wtf.
[18:24] <Sleaker> you can try setting the pin priority higher
[18:25] <Sleaker> also read the information on the debian page about pin priorities
[18:25] <Sleaker> https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
[18:26] <DrkShad0w> noo it's not fully installed right now..
[18:27] <DrkShad0w> (dist upgrade behavior not working -> before, with apt pinning set; not fully installed right now -> I was trying to put a apt-mark hold in postinst, and dist-upgrade is no longer trying to remove it.)
[18:28] <DrkShad0w> with all the pinning, it just removes it with a properly-installed package.
[18:35] <littlejohnny> Hi, im getting some of these in my auth.log now and then, seems to be round about the same time (in minutes).  'unix_chkpwd password check failed for user'
[18:35] <littlejohnny> and its not for user root
[18:36] <littlejohnny> so i dont know if im getting hacking attempts? or is it something else?
[18:38] <TJ-> littlejohnny: that's slightly suspicious, that should only be called by pam_unix to check user account/password  expiry dates
[18:39] <TJ-> littlejohnny: it's a setuid helper so a target for attacks, so could be an indicator. Not sure I've seen that in auth.log myself. Have you deleted any user accounts from the system recently (would explain the not-found) ?
[18:39] <papadopoulos> How do I switch the location of my libstdc++.so.6
[18:39] <papadopoulos> I have one I'd like to use over another
[18:41] <littlejohnny> TJ-, yes but the port for sshd on my router is closed..
[18:41] <TJ-> papadopoulos: use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the executable that needs it
[18:41] <littlejohnny> so how would they get to my pc?
[18:41] <TJ-> littlejohnny: why assume ssh? there's no indication of SSH access is there?
[18:42] <littlejohnny> TJ-, and no i havent deleted any user accounts recently
[18:43] <TJ-> littlejohnny: does the log show which username it was checking?
[18:43] <littlejohnny> TJ-, yes sorry its not sshd. So then what do you think it could be?
[18:43] <littlejohnny> yea the username i am using
[18:43] <papadopoulos> TJ- +1
[18:43] <TJ-> littlejohnny: hmmm, let me check my logs in case it's just something I've never noticed
[18:43] <littlejohnny> which is arbitrary and unguessable TJ-
[18:44] <TJ-> no, not seeing that in any auth.log's
[18:44] <littlejohnny> very strange.. where does unix_chkpwd come from TJ- ?
[18:45] <TJ-> littlejohnny: "man unix_chkpwd"
[18:45] <TJ-> littlejohnny: it's a helper for PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules) which is used for all user authentications (see "man PAM")
[18:46] <BlitzerHound> alright, >I think it worked
[18:46] <littlejohnny> so PAM is calling it?
[18:46] <BlitzerHound> I realize that last time I didn't put the thing where I mounted the /
[18:46] <BlitzerHound> And this time around it actually said password changed successfully
[18:47] <littlejohnny> TJ-, do you think it could be an attack?
[18:49] <TJ-> littlejohnny: it could be local malware trying to exploit the setuid program. is there a pattern to the timings of the log entires that would indicate it's just a cron job ?
[18:50] <TJ-> BlitzerHound: Yay!
[18:50] <BlitzerHound> Yep, that worked. Thank you everyone.
[18:50] <BlitzerHound> I can use sudo now
[18:54] <littlejohnny> TJ-, hardly doubt its malware.. havent changed any software and dont just install anything. The timings are similar to each other but not all of them. theres one or two that are different
[18:57] <TJ-> littlejohnny: possibly a cron job, or triggered when your user logs in/uses PAM (e.g. sudo)
[19:04] <skino> evening
[19:04] <skino> is there anyone online who can help me with LAMP install on ubuntu 17.10
[19:05] <littlejohnny> TJ-, i see it is compiz: i dont know what program though.
[19:05] <littlejohnny> trying to find out
[19:07] <littlejohnny> TJ-, what could it be in compiz
[19:07] <littlejohnny> skino, LAMP or LEMP?
[19:09] <littlejohnny> lmao TJ- nevermind man. its when i was entering wrong pwd when entering Ubuntu. i was like wtf
[19:09] <TJ-> littlejohnny: *tuts* - Alarm over
[19:09] <littlejohnny> lol
[19:09] <littlejohnny> yeah
[19:09] <TJ-> littlejohnny: in future try not to hack yourself :D
[19:10] <littlejohnny> hahaha il try :P
[19:10] <littlejohnny> it was good investigating this though!
[19:12] <TJ-> littlejohnny: yes, this is how we learn most of time
[19:13] <littlejohnny> true!
[19:32] <ZedDee> Hi there, does anyone here have any experience with bridges or iptable rules?
[19:32] <arktvrvs> yea, bad experience :)
[19:33] <papadopoulos> run away!
[19:34] <arktvrvs> anyway, ZedDee might have more luck if you summarize the issue youre having.  that  way someone can chime in if they know
[19:35] <ZedDee> Haha okay, well I'm trying to set up an AP with an internet connection from ethernet, but with all traffic redirected through a SOCKS proxy
[19:45] <dbb> hi all - I am doing maintenance on a 1604 box here.. I notice that the group on a lot of /var/log things is adm  but  `id adm` shows nothing.. can someone point me to a "theory" of adm here?
[19:53] <crised> trying to install ubuntu on XPS 13, however on installation it seems it didn't recognize the hard drive.
[19:53] <crised> Do I need to change something on BIOS?
[19:57] <skino> Hi sorry i left my PC on again lol. it was LAMP i was looking at what is Lemp :S
[20:02] <Vysty> TJ-: Yo sir. You around?
[20:09] <crised> Is enabling AHCI in a notebook a good idea  in order to install ubuntu?
[20:17] <crised> What does `Erase disk and Install Ubuntu` when there is a Windows 10 partition?
[20:17] <crised> Is this the *cleanest* way to install ubuntu? Or should I manually delete all partitions then install ubuntu?
[20:18] <arktvrvs> thats what erase disk does
[20:18] <arktvrvs> but that you are asking, maybe you should keep the windows partition 'just in case'
[20:18] <crised> arktvrvs: I don't want to keep windows
[20:21] <crised> arktvrvs: How can I manually delete all partitions in order to install? Which one do I need?
[20:21] <crised> Just free space partition?
[20:25] <dbb> this is the question .. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1318346
[20:25]  * dbb reads
[20:25] <pos> scroogle is being useless, how do I upgrade the xorg stack on xenial to a later/recent hwe?
[20:25] <pos> latest amdgpu-pro is being picky
[20:27] <dbb> "In Ubuntu members of the group admin can run programs with root privileges, members of adm are allowed to view some logfiles"
[20:28] <mjiig> I'm having some network problems, does anyone know if this fairly regular re handshaking of the wireless protocol every two minutes is expected behaviour? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26229217/
[20:29] <tsarompy> that is weird
[20:29] <tsarompy> i use wicd tho
[20:29] <dbb> adm ->  I just tried it.. and  `groups adm` on 1404 returns something, while on 1604 it does now
[20:30] <dbb> not
[20:30] <crised> Any display setting advice for Dell XPS 13 high dpi screen?
[20:30] <akik> dbb: groups shows the groups of the user
[20:31] <akik> dbb: i.e. groups username
[20:31] <mjiig> tsarompy, I've no idea if network manager is the cause of this or just part of the symptom, but I wasn't sure if redoing the handshake was an anticipated part of the protocol or something
[20:31] <dbb> ok, I will try `id` also
[20:31] <mjiig> Given how weirdly regular it is
[20:32] <dbb> hm - ' if no USERNAME is specified, for the current process'
[20:32] <dbb> my own login.. I must be in adm group on the 1404 machine then...
[20:32] <akik> dbb: you can list the group membership also with: grep adm /etc/group
[20:33] <dbb> thx akik -- I am curious how I might run my own (great) server that mainly does my own work...
[20:33] <dbb> of course I am sudo .. but looking at the apache2, I am wondering about this adm
[20:34] <dbb> its not for graphics, I am using it mainly for math
[20:34] <akik> dbb: on 16.04 you should create a systemd service
[20:36] <dbb> akik: .. create a systemd service to do *what* ?
[20:43] <cryptz> hey guys, can anyone help me with setting an mtu. I am using netplan and it seems to ignore mtu 9000. if i set it manually with ip link set it works until reboot, is there any way to make this persistent?
[20:43] <cryptz> 17.10 server btw
[20:44] <akik> dbb: did you mean a computer server or an application server?
[20:44] <akik> dbb: you said that you might run your own server
[20:44] <dbb> hi akik thx for the reply..
[20:44] <dbb> I have a stable 1604 machine that I use for mainly math
[20:45] <dbb> it also has apache2, and a few academic papers in the web server
[20:45] <dbb> but, I want to be secure, so i keep up to date.. today I was looking at the apache2 log area
[20:45] <dbb> and I saw the adm user, and I was wondering how to best admin the apache2 , use that group , things like that
[20:46] <akik> dbb: the adm is a group
[20:46] <dbb> yes, I said that
[20:46] <akik> !apache
[20:46] <dbb> yes, I have added mods to apache2, looked at the mod-info data, things like that
[20:47] <akik> the httpd package comes with the pre-defined user/group. use that
[20:47] <dbb> oh hm - the package is httpd
[20:47] <akik> dbb: oh sorry it's called apache2
[20:48] <TJ-> mjiig: is the system using kernel v4.13 ("uname -r") ?
[20:48] <dbb> ok - httpd can also be nginx or other
[20:48] <dbb> I have the default apache2
[20:49] <dbb> yeah - I should probably add a cert too :-/
[20:49] <dbb> I see that apache2 still includes the non-systemd way of doing things
[20:50] <dbb> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/apache2/filelist
[20:50] <mjiig> TJ 4.13.0-19-generic
[20:50] <TJ-> mjiig:  and is the wlp59s0 an Atheros device, possibly the AR9462 ?
[20:51] <dbb> .. if I can figure it out, I would like to change the logrotate rule a bit, and also setup my sudo user in a clean way
[20:53] <dbb> I see group www, www-data, adm
[20:53] <dbb> clear as mud :p
[20:54] <mjiig> TJ-: lspci gives me "Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 (rev 78)" which I think means no?
[20:55] <TJ-> mjiig: correct; drat! I found a likely regression affecting the Atheros device that causes the same messages for 4.13
[20:56] <TJ-> mjiig: are there a lot of other access points operating in the same frequency band as your AP? It could be due to interference
[20:57] <mjiig> A handful, but I'm confused by the regularity and the fact that no one else using the AP seems to get a similar problem
[21:11] <TJ-> mjiig: yes, that does seem weird. Besides the syslog wpa_supplicant messages, anything in kern.log suggesting an iwlwifi driver issue?
[21:13] <TJ-> mjiig: often these issues are related to doing encryption in the hardware; have you tried adding "options iwlwifi swcrypto=1" into a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ so the driver uses software crypto ?
[21:18] <mjiig> TJ-: I see https://paste.ubuntu.com/26229424/ in kern.log (repeated a lot) which looks moderately worrying. It seems to be flipping between APs which is weird since it should only be able to see one here...
[21:19] <TJ-> mjiig: Ahhhh! didn't realise you had multiple APs. That explains it
[21:19] <cryptz> hey guys i am unable to set mtu too 9000 in netplan (the change doesnt take effect when i issue netplan apply) is there another way to keep that setting between reboots?
[21:20] <mjiig> TJ-: I don't *think* I do, which makes this confusing, but at least looks like it's at least partially my routers fault not just Ubuntu's
[21:22] <TJ-> mjiig: maybe try tying it to a single BSSID ?
[21:27] <TJ-> mjiig: the MACs of the BSSIDs are related, so either you've got virtual BSSIDs configured or it's switching bands - does syslog show which channels/frequencies it's moving to ?
[21:28] <Vysty> I'm rendering video with kdenlive and it's taking a massive amount of time to do so. Can anyone recommend any resources for information on software tweaks, rendering profiles, or hardware upgrades that could help with this?
[21:28] <Albertx> hi
[21:29] <Albertx> have a problem with a installer
[21:29] <Albertx> any help me ?
[21:29] <Albertx> please
[21:29] <Vysty> Albertx: I've learned you have to be patient on this channel.
[21:29] <Albertx> try install a pkg
[21:29] <Albertx> ok
[21:30] <Vysty> Albertx: I can't help you, but if you have patience here, you will find someone that can.
[21:31] <Albertx> again installer the pkg Second_Life_5_0_9_329906_i686.tar.bz2
[21:31] <TJ-> Vysty: basically, if possible, render to the same format as the original material, so it's 'just' a copy of frames rather than re-encoding. Also, ensure hardware helpers like VDPAU are enabled and in use
[21:31] <Albertx> have a error ---> https://justpaste.it/1etn9
[21:32] <Vysty> TJ-: Thanks TJ. First point was easy to understand. What's VDPAU?
[21:32] <Albertx> I agree msgg to me
[21:33] <TJ-> Vysty: Video Decode and Presentation API - an interface for using GPU hardware acceleration for encoding/decoding frames for things like H.264
[21:33] <Vysty> TJ-: Translation for the less nomenclaturely-gifted?
[21:34] <TJ-> Vysty: it makes encoding faster!
[21:34] <Vysty> TJ-: Doi. I got that part. :P How do I do it?
[21:34] <mjiig> TJ-: The frequencies appear to be 5240 MHz and 2462MHz
[21:35] <mjiig> Selecting a BSSID in network manager didn't appear to stop it switching at all...
[21:35] <TJ-> Vysty: if the VDPAU drivers are installed,  most applications should make use of it automatically. Check with " dpkg -l '*vdpau*' | grep ^ii "
[21:36] <TJ-> mjiig: so it's switching from 802.11gn to 802.11an/ac
[21:36] <Vysty> TJ-:  https://pastebin.com/vpmrcNJx
[21:37] <TJ-> mjiig: 2.4GHz to 5.xGHz bands. The 'fix' would be to simply rename one of the SSIDs on the router. E.g. on my local dual-band router I have the 2.4GHz 802.11bgn called "XXXXX" and the 5.xGHz 802.11an/ac named "XXXXX5G"
[21:38] <TJ-> Vysty: packages are installed (that's what the "ii" denotes), but I'm not how to confirm if there's hardware acceleration available and used by kdenlive
[21:39] <Vysty> balls
[21:40] <Vysty> TJ-: Okay, I'll focus on your first point then: keeping the file type the same.
[21:40] <Vysty> TJ-: Your opinion, what's the best file type to be uploading to YT?
[21:40] <Vysty> mp4?
[21:41] <mjiig> TJ-: I don't suppose you know off hand if it's possible to get the local wifi driver to stop switching? The router is ISP provided, I can probably reconfigure it if I need to but would rather avoid playing with it
[21:41] <TJ-> Vysty: as far as I can tell kdenlive does support it, if the underlying GPU does. What GPU does the system have?
[21:41] <TJ-> mjiig: yes, in the Network Manager connection editor, I think you can set the BSSID to tie the connection to
[21:42] <Vysty> TJ-: Good question. How do I find out?
[21:43] <TJ-> Vysty: does this report anything? "lspci -nn -d ::0300"
[21:43] <Vysty> TJ-: vyst@delanic-enterprises:~$ lspci -nn -d ::0300 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06)
[21:44] <TJ-> Vysty: thanks, let me check
[21:46] <TJ-> Vysty: do "sudo apt install vainfo" then once installed do "pastebinit <( vainfo )"
[21:47] <Vysty> TJ-: pastebinit <( vainfo )
[21:47] <Vysty> Oops.
[21:47] <Vysty> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26229578/
[21:48] <Vysty> I always forget that I can't CTRL-C in the terminal.
[21:48] <TJ-> Vysty: well, you've got support there which is good news
[21:48] <oerheks> shift ctrl c perhaps?
[21:49] <mjiig> TJ-: Ah, telling network manager to use the 2.4GHz BSSID didn't work, but telling it to use the 5GHz one seems to have
[21:49] <mjiig> TJ-: Hopefully it'll hold up. Thank you so much for your help!
[21:49] <Vysty> TJ-: :D
[21:49] <Vysty> TJ-: Next step?
[21:49] <TJ-> Vysty: so the trick is, in kdenlive, to use the H.264 profile for rendering output (which is the encoding most supported by most GPUs)
[21:50] <Vysty> TJ-: Which one?
[21:50] <TJ-> Vysty: if you see no improvement in rendering times then maybe it's already as fast as it can be
[21:50] <Vysty> TJ-: Options include: H.264/AAC fast, high profile, and (CBR)
[21:50] <Vysty> There is also an H.265/.AAC HEVC
[21:50] <Vysty> There is also an H.265/AAC HEVC*
[21:51] <TJ-> Vysty: You'll have to check in kdenlive; I don't use it, but I'd look for something like "H.264 base" or "H.264 high profile" - not sure exactly how it'll name the profiles
[21:51] <Vysty> Got it. Yea, that's the one I'm rendering with right now that's taking ages.
[21:51] <TJ-> Vysty: no, not H.265, support for that (much newer) encoding is less likely to be baked into the hardware
[21:51] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Hello.
[21:52] <TJ-> Vysty: how many frames per second is it rendering? Any indication of actual numbers?
[21:52] <Vysty> TJ-: Nope.
[21:53] <Vysty> TJ-: But I am going from webm to mp4
[21:53] <TJ-> Ahhh, and webm is using the VP8/9 codecs I'd guess
[21:54] <TJ-> Vysty: I just noticed your pastebin actually lists the H.264 High profile as the main one supported :)
[21:54] <Vysty> Well, there we go. I already have that part maximized.
[21:54] <Vysty> TJ-: Looks like I need to focus on what I put in vs. what I'm asking it to spit out.
[21:55] <TJ-> Vysty: yes, so sit back and wait. Back in the early 2000s when I was encoding lots of video I'd leave it to run overnight
[21:56] <Vysty> TJ-: I've been using Cheese to record myself. I think webm is the only option.
[21:57] <Vysty> TJ-:  Looking into OBS studio right now.
[21:58] <TJ-> Vysty: can't kdenlive capture too?
[21:58] <Vysty> uhh... mreh?
[21:58] <Vysty> TJ-: I honestly never though to ask.
[21:59] <TJ-> Vysty: there's some indication it can, or used to: https://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing
[21:59] <Vysty> I don't mind using a different program to record.
[22:00] <Vysty> I just... had a 3 hour render time on my last video.
[22:00] <Vysty> Which is more than twice as long as the video I did before that.
[22:00] <Vysty> Even though both videos are roughly 40 mins.
[22:00] <Vysty> (First one was recorded in YT's live stream, second was with Cheese.)
[22:01] <TJ-> is the input in a lower resolution, or the same?
[22:01] <Vysty> The input of?
[22:01] <Vysty> The YT has a lower resolution, pretty sure. Video quality isn't as good.
[22:01] <TJ-> the YT vs Cheese frame size? were they both 1920x1080, or whatever?
[22:02] <TJ-> well lower resolution == faster to encode since not so much data to crunch
[22:03] <Vysty> TJ-: Definitely, which is why I'm on here asking about best practices. :D
[22:03] <Vysty> TJ-: I haven't done any videos since March, so I'm reteaching myself all this crap.
[22:03] <Vysty> TJ-: Working on getting a standardized workflow that I can write down and follow.
[22:04] <TJ-> Vysty: for my laptop I've got a CrystalHD mini-pcie hardware encoder device. Sometimes dedicated hardware can make sense if you need/want speed and quality
[22:05] <Vysty> TJ-: I'm open to that.
[22:05] <Vysty> TJ-: I just want to make sure the hardware I buy is actually going to help.
[22:05] <TJ-> ha, I said encoder, but the CrystalHD is a decoder.
[22:07] <Vysty> TJ-: Whatever the case, would you have any hardware recommendations?
[22:07] <Vysty> I've been thinking of getting a solid state drive and a graphics card, but I don't know if either would help.
[22:08] <TJ-> SSD's will certainly make things more zippy in general. May not help massively for video encoding itself though
[22:09] <Vysty> I'm thinking about the whole process: recording, editing, rendering, and uploading to YT.
[22:09] <Vysty> Recording and editing are going pretty well. Rendering and uploading are my current bottlenecks.
[22:09] <Vysty> Lowering the filesize is an obvious first start.
[22:09] <TJ-> I'd think a beefy discrete PCIe GPU would help most
[22:10] <TJ-> one that can do a lot of hardware accelerated encoding
[22:10] <Vysty> TJ-: A what?
[22:11] <TJ-> 'discrete' means a stand-alone plug-in adaptor card - as opposed to the 'integrated' GPU the PC has soldered onto it's motherboard
[22:11] <Vysty> TJ-: Simplification for Vysty: which card should I get then?
[22:11] <TJ-> Vysty: is your PC a laptop or a 'desktop' ?
[22:11] <Vysty> desktop
[22:12] <Vysty> Lenovo. Small tower, so space might be an issue.
[22:12] <TJ-> Vysty: ok so it should have some empty PCIe slots. First step is find out what they are and how much room there is then evaluate suitable GPUs
[22:13] <Vysty> Is there a terminal command I can run to figure that out?
[22:14] <TJ-> Folks in the ##hardware might be helpful in determining what cards would fit AND be good H.264 encoders if you have the make/model of the PC and links to manual/specifications
[22:14] <TJ-> Vysty: unfortunately, no, although dmidecode can get general info, it won't help with determining space or power constraints
[22:14] <Vysty> TJ-: I would like to keep talking about this, but I realized I haven't eaten anything yet today and I need to cook something. You will be around in a bit?
[22:15] <TJ-> Vysty: it's 22:14 here; I'm about to go
[22:19] <Vysty> TJ-:  Damn. I'll look for you later.
[22:19] <Vysty> TJ-: You wouldn't use any other chat mechanism like Skype or something where I could reach you, would you?
[22:22] <literal_line> hello
[22:24] <TJ-> Vysty: no, I don't
[22:26] <Vysty> TJ-: Too bad. I'll look for you here.
[22:38] <j3n0v4> Hello all
[22:47] <Mehrzad> Hi
[22:48] <Mehrzad> I don't know if this problem is related to libreoffice or ubuntu, after an update of ubuntu today, i can't open files at specific addresses and get the error "General input/output error while accessing [dir]"
[23:02] <kaddi> Hi my upgrade failed and I'm trying to get online from tty using the command nmcli do connect wlan0. I connect to the network but not the Internet. I'd there any way to fix that?
[23:05] <adrian_1908> Got no ethernet cable lying around to plug into your router? I'd do that before struggling with wlan via cli.
[23:07] <kaddi> No unfortunately I own a ultra book which means an adapter to micro lan is needed and I don't have one
[23:07] <chuuna> hi, anyone know why the whois package output dont give "full" info https://ghostbin.com/paste/6kkt5
[23:08] <Razva> guys, I've reinstalled Ubuntu 17 for 3 times, updated everything. STILL the VPN GUI is broken. I'm creating the connection, clicking "ON" and it just gets back to OFF. any hints?
[23:09] <Razva> PPPTP
[23:12] <Razva> Invalid VPN service type (cannot find authentication binary)
[23:15] <adrian_1908> Razva: Does you situation necessitate PPPTP? Either way, I found that NetworkManager is pretty flaky in handling VPN connections, so I ended up not using it for that anymore.
[23:20] <TJ-> kaddi: does the interface get an IP address using DHCP?
[23:24] <kaddi> TJ- I think so. Running dhclient just restored my Internet accesd
[23:24] <genii> chuuna: Because the online service additionally queries the registrar and not just iana or icann, etc. If you want similar results, use a syntax like whois -h whois.markmonitor.com "google.com"   ..where here the registrar is markmonitor.com in google's case
[23:25] <TJ-> kaddi: right, so it sounds like you'd made the Wifi connect but not got an IP address since you had no connection defined
[23:25] <TJ-> kaddi: from command line you can use "nmtui" to create/edit connections
[23:27] <kaddi> Thanks tj!  That looks like a handy thing to know!
[23:29] <chuuna> genii: a friend of mine with arch get the "full" info
[23:29] <chuuna> also there is no whois.conf as mentioned in ubuntu wiki
[23:29] <bolovanos> hithere - which IDE for php, js, html would you recommend? 16.04.3 LTS
[23:29] <bolovanos> sry - free one...
[23:30] <bolovanos> I have thought that there is something like pycharm from jbrain, but it looks like not the case
[23:30] <adrian_1908> bolovanos: If you can do without a "full" IDE, I would recommend Atom. It can probably offer a lot in the ways of an IDE through plugins actually.
[23:31] <TJ-> bolovanos: Eclipse has a lot of support for those
[23:32] <bolovanos> adrian_1908, - looking at it thank you
[23:32] <chuuna> as mention here http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man1/whois.1.html
[23:32] <bolovanos> TJ-, thank you, but its is bit overill - forgot to say - almost out of space on disk :)
[23:33] <TJ-> bolovanos: Vim :)
[23:34] <bolovanos> TJ-, :}
[23:37] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> a
[23:42] <DroidLinux93> Hi, My acer K202HQL monitor supports up to 1600x900 and Windows and Ubuntu is defautling me to 1366x768. The higher res everything is so small to barely read but i prefer it because of the better screen space inbetween the panel and dock. How do i make the text as comfortable to read as it was at 1366x768
[23:43] <DroidLinux93> The default res is okay but the dock and panel is very fat..
[23:43] <chuuna> genii: I tried whois from ubuntu and then from debian
[23:44] <chuuna> debian give "full" whois info
[23:46] <chuuna> nvm, the whois package is outdated
[23:49] <genii> chuuna: You could always also just do something like put this in a file and make it executable: whois -h $(whois $1|grep 'Registrar WHOIS Server'|cut -d':' -f2) $1     ..name it maybe something like whois2, call it like ./whois2 google.com
[23:51] <cryptz_> anyone familiar with netpan in 17.10? i setup my server with static ips and bond interfaces via netplan but i cannot get mtu 9000 to work
[23:51] <cryptz_> netplan i mean
[23:52] <KsChoice> Anybody who might have an idea what is going on here? I can login on server over SSH (using keys), but not directly on the server using TTY.. I've passwd updated my password various times. I've confirmed that I type it correctly by typing the password at the username login (just in case a different language keyboard was configured, perhaps, with special characters in different keys)
[23:53] <TJ-> KsChoice: I was going to suggest you come over here, it's easier to diagnose here
[23:53] <KsChoice> Linux Ubuntu server 16.04.3 LTS, I checked auth.log which shows "pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty1 ruser= rhost= user=sven" and then "FAILED LOGIN (2) on '/dev/tty1' FOR 'sven', Authentication failure"
[23:53] <KsChoice> TJ-: Yeah, I figured so as well
[23:53] <KsChoice> It is really weird though..
[23:53] <TJ-> KsChoice: did you see my Question about whether it works if you log-out of SSH first?
[23:53] <KsChoice> TJ-: No, havent done that yet, I'm worried I won;t be able to log back in at all :)
[23:54] <KsChoice> But I'll try
[23:54] <TJ-> KsChoice: that worry suggests you think the password or PAM config is somehow changed!
[23:55] <KsChoice> I'm actually wondering if there is a PAM problem yeah, but I never ever touch PAM to begin with so if it is, I would not know why
[23:55] <KsChoice> all logged out, problem persists
[23:55] <TJ-> KsChoice: as long as you have physical access you can always boot to recovery mode if login fails
[23:55] <KsChoice> SSH still working fine though
[23:56] <KsChoice> TJ-: Yeah, just hope not to get there :D
[23:56] <KsChoice> TJ-: I finally have the server setup as I want it to work, I'm going on vacations this friday, I cannot use any crap right now
[23:56] <chuuna> is there a chance ubuntu could enable this? https://blog.torproject.org/debian-and-tor-services-available-onion-services
[23:56] <TJ-> KsChoice: OK, the obvious things are Keyboard encoding, keyboard fault, caPs LoCk, keyboard-configuration, locale
[23:57] <KsChoice> But on topic.. so auth.log gives me pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty1 ruser= rhost= user=sven
[23:57] <TJ-> KsChoice: do you have an alternate keyboard to test with?
[23:57] <KsChoice> TJ-: I typed the password on the username
[23:57] <TJ-> KsChoice: what's the native local? en_US?
[23:57] <KsChoice> I'll try a different KB
[23:58] <chuuna> it would be awesome to be able to update ubuntu via onion services
[23:59] <KsChoice> TJ-: Locale is a mix of en_US.UTF-8 and es_MX.UTF-8
[23:59] <TJ-> KsChoice: any non ASCII characters in the password?