[00:09] hi [00:09] i just tried out apt and was disappointed to find that / is mounted ro [00:09] is there a way to (at least temporarily) lift that [00:09] apt install vim tmux etc would be rly nice [00:09] @rapha, you can do `sudo mount -o rw,remount /` to make it read/write [00:10] oh that easy [00:10] :) [00:11] okay my buddy says that's a real bad idea because it breaks updates, but he's still running ubuntu touch. is that still a problem with ubports? [00:12] and no tmux in the repos! i protest!! [00:13] @rapha, It wont break the updates, but tmux might be override by an update. also there is always a risk using apt. [00:13] I use apt just fine for my devices, but as said there is a small risk [00:13] that's a shame, i mean, that's sort of the point of wanting to have a non-android linux phone [00:13] i'll just try for a while [00:14] you can also just ignore those updates, and just use apt :) but that's not userfriendly [00:14] that's why we use the image updates since thats more fit for users that dont know apt, and since apt is not the best for phones [00:14] so the updates themselves are being performed through apt as the backend? [00:14] ah, not so [00:14] No [00:15] what would be cool is if it was possible to completely disable the non-apt update facilities [00:15] also, like i said, no tmux in repos. what repo should i add for that? [00:15] But there is nothing wrong with using apt, just not userfriendly for an phone. since we need to update kernel and android drivers, and you cannot do that with apt [00:15] @rapha, did you do apt update first? [00:15] lol omg no [00:16] :) [00:16] wrt kernel and drivers, the nexus4 is marked legacy, so i'm guessing there won't be many such updates anyways? [00:17] @rapha, Legacy does not mean we wont update it, it mostly mean it will get newer feauters later or not at all (example snaps etc) [00:17] i see [00:17] bummer about the snaps [00:18] but mostly because of limited hardware, and kernels [00:18] but for the time being i'm happy to be able to play with this [00:18] snaps was just an example, im sure that will get snaps at some point [00:18] mariogrip: UI question ... after a new install there's always these sort of on-screen tutorials: swipe from right edge, etc. etc. the one saying to "long swipe from left edge for 'today' view" or something - i can't get anything like that to work. what gives? [00:20] There used to be one of those on screen tutorials. [00:20] @rapha, you will need to do a factory reset, since those will only run once. or you can use the phablet-config tool to enable it again [00:21] nono [00:21] i mean, the tutorial instructs me to do a "long" left-swipe [00:21] but nothing ever happens when i try to do a "long" left-swipe [00:22] (except when i'm in an app i get back to the apps scope. but there's nothing like the promised "today" view) [00:23] Today Scope was removed some time ago. [00:24] oic [00:24] @rapha, oh yeah the today scope was removed [00:24] should prolly remove it from the on-screen tutorial as well then ... confusing to new users [00:24] @rapha, does it say that? can you send a pictue? [00:24] is there any way i can get back something like a today scope (which ostensibly had info like appointments in it?) [00:25] It was nice. I miss it. It had problems though. Bugs. [00:25] mariogrip: i guess i could do a factory reset and take a picture [00:25] @rapha, ah no need, i can do it [00:25] okay [00:25] jarlathreidy: a calendar scope then? [00:25] @jarlathreidy, you can still get it [00:27] @mariogrip, Oh? I just searched Open Store but didn't find. [00:27] oh, bummer, no compass in my phone? :( [00:28] @jarlathreidy, https://github.com/mharrend/ubuntu-touch-day-scope/releases/tag/1.5.2 [00:28] `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted Downloads/com.canonical.scopes.day_1.5.2_armhf.click` [00:28] to install it [00:28] as root? [00:28] Nice! Thanks for the instructions. [00:29] @rapha, no need for root [00:29] k [00:30] hmmm no tab key in the keyboard? [00:30] Tap the terminal output [00:30] thx! [00:30] Any time [00:30] you guys must be the most responsive FLOSS community ever :D [00:31] @rapha, Awww thanks :) [00:31] https://soundcloud.com/ubports/i-never-sleep [00:31] haha, I love that song [00:33] Oh btw, I'm Dalton and I can confirm that [00:34] UniversalSuperBox: is there an "up" and "down" key, too? [00:34] Drag up or down on the output [00:34] And you can scroll the output with two fingers [00:34] weird i tried that ... now it works [00:34] My favourite app [00:35] It's not obvious, but it's an amazing terminal for touch and mobile use once you know it [00:35] Huge props to the devs at Canonical [00:35] on android termux is /really/ good already. but this is better. [00:35] Fwd from UBports News Channel: Hype! Today has been an awesome day with OTA-3, but don't be worry, the hype hasn't stopped yet! on Saturday (December 23, 2017) at 1900 UTC we will have our live Q/A, but this time we have en super exerting xmas gift that will make #UbuntuTouch A LOT better! (HYPE!) you dont want to miss this live stream! :) [00:36] marius [00:36] did you just pin a message in the news channel [00:36] Yeah :P I learned i could do that today [00:36] didn't know I could do that [00:36] hah! you can just touch the .click file in the browser's download list, too :) [00:37] speaking of browser, there wouldn't be a way to get that to sync with Firefox Sync, would there? [00:37] my nexus 5 still shows "Checking for updates... [Stop]" [00:37] At the moment, that's not an option. Not sure what it'd take to implement it, either... probably a lot of work [00:37] is there anything I can do to help it to get the update? [00:37] well at least it /is/ documented UniversalSuperBox [00:37] @Christopher, Could you try closing the Setting and reopen it? [00:38] I'll try [00:38] Should I see an ota on my bq 4.5? [00:38] I've tried restarting the phone once or twice today [00:38] sooo mariogrip the day-scope is installed but does not appear in the list of scopes? [00:38] @popeydc, Staged rollout. @mariogrip, how far has it moved? [00:38] Ok [00:38] No rush [00:38] I will do it tomorrow [00:38] @popeydc, As long as you are on ubports it will come pretty soon [00:38] @mariogrip, Ooooh, very exciting! I cant wait :) [00:39] Yeah. I am [00:39] Still "Checking for updates... [Stop]" [00:39] WOW!!! srsly?! you guys got tuxracer?! how awesome is THAT! [00:39] @popeydc, The stage number is pretty high now, maybe you're just unlicky [00:39] @Christopher, Can you reboop that guy? [00:39] ok [00:39] * rapha is suddenly finding smartphones cool again [00:40] Nah. It's all good [00:40] I'm unlicky. Please don't lick me. [00:40] Aww, he edited it [00:40] @jarlathreidy, you didn't see that :P [00:40] :D [00:40] and spotify [00:40] this is getting better and better [00:41] * rapha hooks up the phone to the oscilloscope to watch some muscic [00:41] rebooted and now... "Checking for updates... [Stop]" [00:41] Hmm. Does it stop if you click stop? [00:42] yes [00:42] Well, that's a plus at least [00:42] "Software is up to date" [00:42] (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/LGYztSGh/file_3051.jpg [00:42] I should see it there? [00:43] Version 509... were you on Devel before perchance? [00:43] @popeydc, humm, it says version 509, are you sure this is ubports? [00:43] Uh [00:43] I thought I did [00:43] Mine looks like @popeydc 's but instead of Version 502, it shows Version 2 [00:43] Maybe I only did my m10 [00:43] also there is no "update options" at the bottom, since we added that [00:44] UniversalSuperBox: mystery solved, if you want to swipe up and down in the terminal you need to be in landscape mode [00:44] @popeydc, well, you have ubports installer preinstalled on your laptop haha :) #ubuconParis [00:44] Hah [00:45] @rapha, Interesting... Not the case on my Fairphone [00:45] hmm [00:45] am i doing it wrong then? [00:46] ah! i wasn't swiping straight enough [00:46] @Christopher, Have you recently changed channels? [00:46] @rapha, yeah that's a little issue on smaller screens [00:46] can get used no prob [00:47] waitasecond [00:47] if i have apt, then i have pip [00:48] if i have pip, then i can have platformio [00:48] if i can have platformio, then i can flash MCUs from the phone [00:48] If I have platformio, then I rule the world-er [00:48] @Christopher, Could you also send me `sudo cat /var/log/system-image/client.log`? I just need the latest messages, no need for the full log [00:48] @UniversalSuperBox I've never changed channels on this device [00:48] lol [00:49] @rapha, it's ubuntu. you can apt anything :P [00:49] \o/ [00:49] You do need to make the image read-write, which is not generally recommended, and all that [00:49] You're at your own risk [00:49] @UniversalSuperBox, we have gone over that :) [00:49] I figured [00:49] finally a real handheld computer again! i haven't had this much fun with a handheld computer since my HP-200LX broke! [00:50] :D [00:50] I had things setup to easily go into the phone and get logs, but since then I've re-installed my Desktop … @mariogrip it'll take me some time to get stuff setup, but I'll do it [00:51] @Christopher, a tip, `sudo apt install android-tools-adb` that then `adb shell` (with developer mode on) [00:51] @mariogrip thanks I was going to ask you about that specifically [00:51] installing now [00:51] :) [00:52] ```$ adb devices … List of devices attached … * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * … *** Error in `adb': free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0000560f7dc541b0 *** … ADB server didn't ACK … * failed to start daemon * … error: cannot connect to daemon``` [00:52] maybe I need to restart or reinsert my phone [00:52] brb [00:54] device is listed now... what's the command to get into the phone? [00:55] adb shell [00:55] ah thanks that's it [00:56] what is phablet's password? [00:56] Your PIN [00:56] your passowrd [00:56] or ping [00:56] Dalton is faster then me [00:56] This is why I never get anything done [00:57] :P [00:58] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/k0bll15l/file_3052.log [00:58] Timeout. How's your internet connection? [00:59] hm I had Wi-Fi switched off [00:59] oh :) [00:59] That'll do it [01:00] its downloading :) [01:00] yay [01:01] @rapha, Yeah. We can all quit now. Victory complete [01:01] He doesn't see which message you're replying to. :P [01:01] very cool Installing Update w/ blinking robot screen... [01:02] @wayneoutthere, ha :P Tuxracer is awersome true that [01:02] * UniversalSuperBox realizes that users of stable haven't seen that screen yet [01:02] @UniversalSuperBox, Thats OK. He should upgrade to the new and awesome telegram :) [01:03] @UniversalSuperBox, :D [01:04] everything looks good. I don't think I get many new goodies since I'm on hammerhead... [01:05] but I'm glad to know I'm using the latest freshest stable release [01:05] wayneoutthere: well i'm still taking in the gravity of how cool this is. [01:06] oh, "dmesg -w" doesn't work [01:07] No, it doesn't wait. That annoys me, too [01:08] and my USB stick is not recognized :( [01:08] so no using the USB port with random devices? [01:09] Hmm, it's possible that the older kernel doesn't have the drivers... Not sure about that one [01:09] @UniversalSuperBox, works on xenial :D [01:10] noooooo :( [01:10] @rapha, huh? usb sticks should work, i use it with mine [01:10] ok, dug my laptop out [01:10] using ubports installer, it wont accept my password [01:10] mariogrip: like UniversalSuperBox says, because of the older kernel on the Nexus4? [01:10] debug: checking password … debug: incorrect password [01:10] oh [01:10] I am a complete idiot [01:10] @popeydc, dumb question: did you type the correct password [01:11] it's my password, not the phone one :) [01:11] :) [01:11] No, not a dumb question it turns out :) [01:11] hm [01:11] yeah we did make it alot more clear in newer versions [01:12] mariogrip: might there be any way to compile the USB driver as a module without having to recompile the entire kernel? [01:12] had to install fastboot on my laptop to make it proceed [01:13] downloading/installing [01:13] @rapha, yes you can use modules, but it's not as easy, it would be better to rebuild the kernel with backpoted drivers [01:13] well done chaps! [01:13] :) [01:13] We now have a snap version also btw :) [01:14] @mariogrip, (of the installer that is) [01:14] mariogrip: any howto on that? also, will 11 gigs of space be enough of that? [01:14] yay [01:14] s/of/for/ [01:14] I happen to be using the appimage [01:14] Rebuilding the kernel on the device definitely won't do very well [01:15] @UniversalSuperBox, well adding backports might work, but it's not \easy\ [01:15] @rapha, 11 gigs sould be plenty [01:15] what device is this btw? [01:15] mariogrip: a nexus4 [01:16] @rapha, ah, you will need the android source for that one :( since it's build inside the android tree [01:17] oh. ouch. [01:17] not all our devices has out off tree kernel building support [01:17] sounds like waiting for 16.04 to become available [01:18] @rapha, will come pretty quick, we alredy have 16.04 on some devices, we will start expanding that after xmas :) [01:19] also I need to jump to bed now, it's pretty late here in norway :P [01:19] yippeeee! :-D [01:19] Germany as well, same time zone [01:19] Yeah [01:19] god natt mariogrip and takk! [01:32] @shenoy13, Tbf, when you make it so you need specialist equipment to replace the battery, you're already in a little bit of a pickle [01:34] @mariogrip, :) [01:35] Awesome job guys!! Loving it! [01:36] ii13s was added by: ii13s [01:36]