[00:00] Can Wine do gaming? [00:01] TJ-: Tried a different KB, no results yet [00:01] DroidLinux93, yes some. check the appdb for specifics [00:01] TJ-: nope, just your average a-z mixed with some !@#$%^&* [00:03] DroidLinux93: Wine Application Database (AppDB) ... https://appdb.winehq.org/ [00:04] TJ-: Looks to be an issue with login [00:04] I get in on SSH, no problem [00:04] then I run login, enter with my name and password and that fails [00:04] meh [00:04] DroidLinux93: install windows inside of virtualbox [00:04] thats what id do [00:05] arktvrvs can i contribute to the database? [00:05] tsarompy i only have a copy of windows 10 and my computer freezed up alot on the windows 10 fall update lol [00:05] This machine is almost perfect with Ubuntu :) [00:05] KsChoice: i wonder, does "journalctl -u systemd-logind.service" report anything? [00:07] TJ-: Dec 21 18:03:28 ingiga-server-office systemd-logind[1197]: New session 34 of user sven. [00:09] KsChoice: ok, try resetting PAM: "sudo pam-auth-update" [00:09] KsChoice: if there are any changes it'll tell you and not change anything [00:10] TJ-: I get a text UI in front of me whereI have to enable some of three PAM profiles [00:10] KsChoice: also, check the permissions of your $HOME directory [00:10] Unix authentication [00:10] Register user sessions in the systemd control goroup hiarchy [00:11] Create home directory on login [00:11] TJ-: $HOME permissions are 755 for all users (We've tried all users, none can login on TTY, but SSH works fine [00:12] KsChoice: OK, so this is a system-wide issue. Ctrl+C the pam-auth-update for now [00:13] KsChoice: when was the last time TTY logins worked? [00:13] TJ-: checking journalctl -f shows pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=sven uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/pts/0 ruser= rhost= user=sven... logname sven, but uid 0? is that correct? [00:13] TJ-: I don't recall the TTYs ever being used.. PErhaps at install time a few months ago [00:13] KsChoice: TJ- Broken graphic's driver ? [00:14] TJ-: I"m only using them now because I wanted to do some networking tests [00:14] Bashing-om: server [00:14] TJ-: Its a server... [00:14] TJ-: I mean, there is no GUI on this thing at all [00:14] KsChoice: OK, I'm trying to reproduce here, give me a few minutes [00:14] Thanks for the help! [00:14] I'm just rather flabergasted here, I've never seen this issue before and I've seen things.. I've seen things... [00:14] KsChoice: typing wrong password -> "login[30146]: pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty3 ruser= rhost= user=tj" [00:15] * KsChoice has a thousand yard stare [00:15] KsChoice: ... > "login[30146]: FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/tty3' FOR 'tj', Authentication failure" [00:15] TJ-: I get authentication failure on both correct and wrong password [00:15] KsChoice: I know, but now we know what a 'good' system reports [00:15] Ok [00:15] KsChoice: I think this is a PAM issue, for sure. [00:16] the login path through PAM for ssh and tty is different [00:16] TJ-: Yeah, I know that part, but that is about as far as my PAM knowledge goes [00:17] I'm looking for a "tty" module in pam, maybe it is that easy, but found nothing yet [00:17] KsChoice: when you ran pan-auth-update, was Unix authentication enabled? [00:18] TJ-: yes [00:20] KsChoice: OK, so I think that is correct. Here's what I see (on a desktop system) https://paste.ubuntu.com/26230150/ [00:20] TJ-: Can PAM log what exact module is failing (and best of all, why?)? [00:20] KsChoice: yes, I was trying to remember how I enabled PAM debugging, hold on I'll check my notes [00:20] TJ-: mmmm, I only have 3 options here [00:27] KsChoice: that's fine, you don't have additional packages that desktop does [00:28] KsChoice: does /etc/nologin exist? [00:28] TJ-: no [00:34] KsChoice: I've been trying to get pam_unix to honour it's "debug" option but so far failed [00:35] Hey guys! [00:37] lindoelio: Hello there! [00:43] a [00:50] KsChoice: seems like where-ever or however I add 'debug' to the pam_unix.so entries, no additional logging occurs [00:50] Yay :) [00:51] I even restarted the systemd-logind service [00:51] TJ-: I'm kind of at the point of giving up here, unless anybody has an idea.. Google shows nothing, I've tried enabling logging as well without success, nothing worked.. I will just default to blaming systemd, which usually isn't that far from the truth anyway ;) [00:52] TJ-: Thanks anyway for the help.. But at this point I really have no idea anymore and I'm basically ready to throw the towel in the ring.. The server works perfectly well for the rest and we never use the TTYs anyway [00:52] Its more a "in case we need it" thing [00:52] KsChoice: it's a weird one! [00:53] KsChoice: I see others report the same issue but no-one adds a solution [00:59] How do I open a directory in terminal [01:00] cd directoryname [01:03] KsChoice: is there an extra long failure delay set? "grep pam_faildelay.so /etc/pam.d/*" [01:04] kk4ewt, No such file or directory [01:07] KsChoice: also, are you using password login over SSH, or certificates? [01:08] TJ-: seriously. Is there a bug report somewhere? [01:10] Loshki: for what? [01:11] KsChoice's bug, to which I thought you just said "I see others report the same issue" [01:11] TJ-: ^^^ [01:11] Loshki: no evidence of a bug yet; I still think it's a keyboard input issue === beaver_ is now known as beaver === BrAsS_mOnKeY is now known as william [01:50] I just switched to a Radeon R9 390x and it seems to work until I perform certain user interface interactions, notably trying to open the menu by clicking the dots on the bottom left. Then I get a black screen. What's broken? [01:50] The card seems to work fine in windows [01:52] Looks like there's a new kernel so I'll upgrade and make sure that's not the issue [02:02] Right, nope, this still happens on the latest kernel. I can log in, usually, and open a file manager, and browse around that a bit, but if I try to open anything more than that I get a black screen and the GPU spins its fans really loud in pulses [02:03] Ubuntu 17.10 latest everything [02:11] Now on a separate machine so i don't keep disconnecting [02:14] How can I debug this graphics issue? The machine keeps black-screening and I don't know how to get more info about what's going on then [02:16] I am looking to buy an SSD M.2 to be precise. However I think they have some issues that needs addressing before they can be used properly ? [02:17] What should I see when I am buying them ? [02:27] slyrobot, see if your hardware supports it [02:37] kk4ewt: My hardware supports a M.2 SSD with SATA3 however what I am not sure of the issues SSDs have with linux at times. [02:43] Appreciate your patience. I'm not aware of any driver issues around SSDs. Just make sure you are using the latest Ubuntu [02:46] northivanastan: Thanks northivanastan. But I was looking at some Reddit threads [02:47] Also this URL : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd [02:49] These are issues with SSDs in general - they tend to wear down very quickly if written to so often. [02:49] northivanastan: Okay. So they are sort of countermeasure that we can take to ensure better life ? [02:51] Yep. Disable fragmentation, reduce disk-heavy operations, etc. [02:52] Thanks northivanastan and kk4ewt. You people have been a great help. === northivanastan is now known as northivanastan_i === northivanastan_i is now known as northivanastan === northivanastan is now known as northivanastan_i === northivanastan_i is now known as northivanastan [03:26] question, 17.10 has a screen shot shortcut of prt sc, where does that save too? [03:27] I'm not on 17.10, but as far as I know prtsc has always saved to ~/Pictures [03:27] yes, they are, as that would make sense. [03:28] thanks northivanastan [03:45] Hello, can someone help me understand something basic about package managers. I am trying to install ruby but on my computer the latest version I see is 2.3.3 under "artful". On Ubuntu package manager website I see 2.5 but under "bionic". Can someone explain what these are ? And how can I get "boinic showing on my terminal. Thanks for any help" [03:45] I am using apt [03:48] What doesn't notify-send work from root even if DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is set? [03:51] damn, systemtap on ubuntu is still super out of date. [03:51] How do I make noise about this? I already submitted a ticket. [03:52] guillec bionic and artful are codenames for ubuntu versions [03:53] nothivanstan ah ok, sorry learning. is there a way I can tell my system to pull from bionic ? via the /etc/source files? or is that not recommended? [03:53] toothe submitting a ticket and bug is really the loudest you can get sadly [03:53] Hello! Is Crossover better than wine or are both the same equally? [03:54] guillec you can do that, make sure you follow with apt dist-upgrade, but it isn't recommended. [03:54] northivanastan: thank you will do some research [03:55] DroidLinux93 Crossover has a lot of improvements, pretty much no bugs, but I don't think it's worth the money. [03:55] Wine is good for most purposes, though the bugs do show. [03:55] Just looking for something to be able to play Roblox again :( [03:55] They say roblox rating in wine is Garbage [03:56] Oh wow, I said "what" instead of "why". [03:56] Then go with crossover, or a Windows VM [03:56] I've read a bunch of SO Q&As, and setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is supposed to be all that's needed to get notify-send to work from other users. [03:56] I wish there was a way to get android apps to run natively.. Roblox has a apk for that [04:03] I submitted a ticket months ago [04:03] and made noise months ago. [04:32] I have an idea... why don't I *not* spend 2 hours getting my special keyboard buttons to do exactly what I want just so that it can all not work next time I upgrade? [04:33] Splendid! Way to prioritize your time and get wiser as you get older! Certainly 5 times in one lifetime doing that is enough, yes? [04:47] I know this might be a question that I shouldnt be askin there but ill hive it a shot... i have ubuntu 16.04 stable and clean, but need lastest features of libreoffice, how secure is to use libreoffice ppas to have lastest version? [04:50] lucas-arg, major ppas are fairly secure. [04:53] thanks [05:05] My left speaker isnt working how can i fix this ? [05:06] Pokoloko, have you confirmed it's not a hardware problem? [05:07] lordcirth: I have tested with other os and it works perfectly so i presume it is not a hardware problem [05:09] Pokoloko: open terminal [05:09] Pokoloko: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit [05:09] Pokoloko: let me know when done [05:12] tatertots: https://pastebin.com/5PXKhPHZ [05:13] Pokoloko: i want inxi -Fxxrzc0 [05:13] when i don't get what i want.... [05:15] i love inxi [05:15] tatertots: https://pastebin.com/YmYV9s6P [05:17] https://pastebin.com/YmYV9s6P [05:25] I have checked that nothing is muted both left and right channels are at 100% === tnewman_ is now known as tnewman [05:45] My monitor supports up to 1600x900 but Ubuntu is defaulted me to 1366x768 and changing to the 1600x900 res option everything in like hexchat and so on is hard to read.. How do i change the dpi so everything looks as comfortable as it did to read at the 1366x768 [05:53] hi [05:55] tsarompy: hello [06:12] yo [06:22] Good morning everyone :) [06:23] good morning [06:24] just setup backintime [06:24] also setting up GitEye [06:28] I have lots of files, and some are similar but not identical. For example, one txt file might just have different line wrapping to another ,but be otherwise identical [06:28] any idea how I could try to identify such files? [06:28] (and delete one of duplicates) [06:29] johnflux_: you want https://www.computerhope.com/unix/udiff.htm and ... a script. [06:30] konrados: I don't think that would work - that would be a O(N^2) operation [06:32] johnflux_: ok, but this seems to be a programming question, then try ...hmmm whatever language you prefer, like ##php or #cpp [06:40] same [06:40] wbu [06:48] Has anyone used some tool like hashdeep, to store the md5sums and later on use them to verify the integrity of his documents? I just tried hashdeep, but I have multiple directory symlinks (e.g. LocalizedDocumentsName -> Documents) and it's processing the same files multiple times... [06:49] Any alternatives? Or should I just use a `find | xargs md5sum` and call it a day? :) [06:50] Hmm or maybe combine `find -type f | hashdeep`... [06:53] i am trying to go to 15.10 from 15.04 but do-release-upgrade -d says 'no new release found' [06:54] join #linux [06:55] subsume: downgrade from 15.10 to 15.04?!? [06:55] no... to 15.10 from 15.04 [06:55] Also, they're both unsupported, EOL... [06:55] !eol [06:55] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [06:55] yeah, i eventually want to get to 16.04 [06:55] See the EOLUpgrades link for how to update the sources to be able to update [06:56] thanks, yeah i knew my sources.list was screwy, thanks [07:03] well... it didn't work [07:03] but everything the page suggested did actual work [07:03] except the last part [07:04] subsume: backup your stuff & clean install 16.04.3 [07:05] eh yeah its all vms [07:05] i am just lazy [07:07] subsume: perhaps the #vbox guys might know a fast trick to save em? [07:08] yeah they're gonna tell me either docker or kubernetes like anyone has time for dat [07:09] subsume: maybe next time choose an LTS version to host your vm's on, this way you will save time for yourself [07:09] yeah it was a great favor i did myself, haha [07:10] anyway, thanks a bunch [07:10] np subsume [07:10] ps: i did hit up #vbox :P [07:10] !info aptoncd | subsume can also help you? [07:10] subsume can also help you?: aptoncd (source: aptoncd): Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4 (artful), package size 213 kB, installed size 1561 kB [07:10] too late [07:20] chicken butt [07:21] guess_what: this is the ubuntu support channel [07:52] guys, DNS doesn't work, while in the /etc/network/interfaces: [07:52] dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 [07:53] Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS [07:53] Torrent works. [07:53] is there a way to fix it? [07:55] when I try to ping, is says: [07:55] ping: unknown host google.com [07:55] but if I try ping 8.8.8.8 - it works fine. === antony1 is now known as vasp [08:01] Fyr: what's in /etc/resolv.conf? [08:01] ducasse, I added nameserver 8.8.8.8 and the network suddenly worked. [08:02] ducasse: yo mama! [08:02] will it happen again? [08:02] because resolv.conf will be overwritten. [08:02] Fyr: it should pick up your servers from /etc/network/interfaces [08:03] yeah, dns-nameserver is set to 8.8.8. 8.8.4.4 [08:54] Hallo o/ [09:04] I have sucessfully got a website runing at 192.168.1.102, how do i make the switch to www.sandwich.com [09:11] is ngrock the only solution I have? [09:14] EraserPencil: there's this thing called dns, its really cool it handles translation between easy "human readable" stuff like www.sandwich.com and a IP address [09:14] EraserPencil: you should check it out [09:20] I have pointed my namecheap domain's type records to my public ip, forwarded ports on my router, and changed servernames on my nginx config giles to the domain. Cant seem to identify what im missing to make things work [09:23] is ubuntu release management using agile workflows? [09:26] EraserPencil: if you could provide an error mesage, that would be nice [09:29] EraserPencil: just do this dude [09:29] EraserPencil: nslookup www.sandwich.com [09:30] EraserPencil: i know that's not your actual name but i hope you're smart enough to substitute for the actual [09:30] EraserPencil: now if you know what you're doing...what needs to be done is now immediately obvious [09:31] EraserPencil: if you do not..i suggest you pipe that to pastebin and let somebody else see it [09:32] EraserPencil: 10-4...roger that? [09:35] EraserPencil: did the namecheap servers actually accepted the change? did it propagate to any downstream resolvers you're using? [09:42] I dont know of any downstream resolvers I might be using [09:43] hello! I encounted a problem and maybe someone can help me fix it. I tried to build from source the newer boost/libboost libraries on 16.04, I followed the instructions but some of the dependencies (60-70) were not installed correctly. So I decided to remove all libboost* files from /usr/local/lib and the boost directory from the include directory. The problem is now that I tried to install the boost libraries directly through [09:43] the console, but whenever I try to use libboost it says that my version is 0.0.0. Does anyone know how to fix this? [09:45] I mean, I used "sudo apt install libboost-all-dev" after compiling from source was not successful [09:53] Hi!. I updated Ubuntu budgie from 17.04 to 17.10, but I'm having issues when updating packages. [09:53] https://pastebin.com/urPD2EDu [09:53] I think My source.list is corrupt [09:54] Any hint how to fix it? [09:55] kikimi: There is one thing I could suggest. [09:55] You could try downloading bleachbit [09:55] kikimi: does this command exist in budgie? software-properties-gtk [09:56] And run a APT clean - alternatively, you can run "sudo apt clean" [09:56] Not sure if this is in budgie but you can go to "software & updates" and change your mirror. [09:57] My guess is that it is trying to use 17.04 mirrors for 17.10 [09:57] onlyabyte, yes it has it. [10:00] I run sudo apt clean [10:00] This doesn't help with mirrors [10:01] (11:55:59 πμ) alkisg: kikimi: does this command exist in budgie? software-properties-gtk [10:01] alkisg, yes it exists. Ubuntu budgie is based on ubuntu [10:01] kikimi: ok, run it, and delete everything that mentions "zesty" from that dialog [10:02] (in the Other software tab) [10:03] alkisg, I did. Here is the th source list: https://pastebin.com/nwZHAXPK [10:03] alkisg, when I run apt update [10:03] kikimi: E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/pdoes/gitflow-avh/ubuntu artful Release' does not have a Release file. [10:03] Remove that one too [10:03] ok [10:03] In general that's a dialog where you can remove your broken repositories [10:04] Those that produce errors [10:05] kikimi: and of course there's the easy way of `sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*`, which removes all the custom repositories and only keeps the official ones [10:05] alkisg, here is the rsult of apt update: https://pastebin.com/8sD4asu9 [10:06] kikimi: those require captchas, can you use paste.ubuntu.com instead? [10:06] alkisg, I still hace redundant stuff when running updates, like: W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:43 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3 [10:07] shall I remove all chrome stuff [10:07] kikimi: yes [10:07] Your /etc/apt/sources.list should only contain official ubuntu links, not PPAs or chrome repositories etc [10:08] ok. Ill delete all as you suggested: `sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*` [10:09] alkisg, ok I think it worked. Thanks a lot [10:09] ! === robotrolll is now known as robotroll === beaver is now known as evilnewbie [10:27] how do I reload /etc/environment? Just source? but don't I need to export each var? [10:30] throstur: this is read by pam, so you basically need to re-login [10:30] alkisg: so if I change /etc/environment during an installation script as root, I can't ever use those changes within the secssion? How do I make an env var persist? [10:31] throstur: define "persist" in more detail [10:31] You can of course source environment and export it [10:31] alkisg: persist as in, define it in one script, and it's still defined in every other script that runs under or after it [10:31] But the 'automatic' way that this file is used, is by pam [10:32] Scripts don't source environment, so you need to manually source and export it, [10:32] all exported variables are inherited by all childs [10:32] what about followers [10:32] What is a "follower"? [10:32] There are parent processes and child processes, I don't know anything about "follower" processes :) [10:32] like... ./1 ./2 [10:33] 2 follows 1 [10:33] I don't know what you would call this honestly [10:33] it seems logical to call it a follower [10:33] Process "a" calls "b" and then "c" [10:33] If process "a" has a VAR exported, both b and c will get it [10:33] As both are its children [10:33] so how do I make b export VAR to its siblings? [10:33] You can't [10:34] why not? [10:34] Because "a" can export variables for "c", not "b" [10:34] So "b" would need to tell "a" what to export [10:35] you'd assume there to be some facility for that, otherwise this use case would require a to listen to b [10:35] An example is initramfs-tools [10:35] "a" there is "init" [10:35] "init" runs childs like "b","c" etc [10:36] When "b" wants something in environment, it writes it to /tmp/conf and exits [10:36] Then, "a" reads it and exports it for "c" [10:36] There's no facility, you need to have code in "a" or elsewhere in the system for that === beaver is now known as evilnewbie [10:40] throstur: man initramfs-tools and search for param.conf, it's the example I was mentioning [10:40] /conf/param.conf allows boot scripts to change exported variables that are listed on top of init. Write the new values to it. It will be sourced after an boot script run if it exists. [10:41] So "b" writes values there, "a=init" sources them, and then "c" can see them [10:42] throstur: btw, if you mention what you're trying to do, there may be better ways. [10:53] yeah, but my example is concrete, that is literally what I was trying to do [10:53] I ended up editing someone else's code (a) instead repeating myself in b and c === SimonNL is now known as SimonNL_Afk === test-tb1 is now known as test-tb [11:47] Ubuntu 17.10. Since upgrading from 17.04, my VLC player often crashes my system when viewing a video. I use nVidia propriatary drivers as supplied through Ubuntu restricted hardware. [11:49] System becomes totally unresponsive, even my mouse cursor is frozen. SSH from outside does not respond either. [11:49] Hi, Why is my bluetooth keyboard not able to connect to Linux? However, I can connect to the keyboard from Linux. Is there a permission I should configure? [11:51] amosbird, did you find anything in dmesg or possibly /var/log/audit? [11:51] no [11:51] Installed mint yesterday, before install unplugged other drives (dualboot installation), installation went ok, but cannot dualboot. I think, win 10 was installed in legacy mode, and mint installed in efi mode, is this the problem? [11:51] however i can see it keeps reconnecting [11:51] Nitrigaur: so what might be the cause ? [11:52] amosbird, what Bluetooth stack are you using? [11:52] bluez [11:52] amosbird, dis/ reconnects should appear in dmesg and/or syslog. [11:53] oh [11:53] hmm, i don't have the access now, will check it in an hour :3 [11:54] amosbird, if you have any interesting logs, please pastebin them, rather than copy-pasting them into the channel, OK? [11:54] cool [11:54] rikama_, please clarify are you unable to boot Mint, or Win10? [11:56] Nitrigaur, im am able to boot both of them, but only if I change boot settings from mobo [11:56] Problem is that grub cant find the windows installation [11:57] I did /sudo update-grub after mint install, but win10 wont show up [11:58] rikama_, that makes sense, since Windows doesn't recognize the command if installed in MBR (legacy) mode and called from EFI mode. [11:59] i installed ubuntu-gnome on a laptop, i want to set different power options for "on battery" & for "plugged in" in regular power options there is no way to set different options, how can i achieve this? [11:59] I thought, I should reinstall mint now without efi mode this time [12:00] Hiyas all [12:00] It is safe to wipe the linux drive now, since there are no changes in win drives? [12:00] rikama_, You might try installing a fake MBR into EFI and chainloading Windows from there, that way Windows thinks it's still in legacy mode. That might cause havoc on your partitions should you create another partition though. [12:01] I can also reinstall mint, it is not a big deal i think? [12:01] rikama_, That would be the safest route indeed, but depending on what mobo you have, you might be stuck with PS/2 keyboard/ mouse during the install. [12:02] Well I have 20 keyboards and mouses right here so wont be a problem [12:02] I do the reinstall [12:02] rikama_, haha, a fellow sysadmin? [12:03] Nah, just collecting too much stuff in my house [12:05] rikama_, oh, my ... (no comment.;-P ) . The obvious disadvantage is that you can have only 2 primary partitions in legacy mode, but since Linux does not care if it boots from a secondary or a primary partition, that should not really matter. If you have a need for more than 2 partitions, you could install LVM to take care of that. [12:08] rikama_, An LVM physical volume (PV) is seen as a single partition by the BIOS/ EFI and can contain many more Logical Volumes (LV). [12:09] rikama_, it takes a bit of planning during setup, but you can just plonk another HDD into your system and extend your LV onto that if you are in need of extra drive space. Very convenient. :-) [12:10] Ubuntu 17.10. Since upgrading from 17.04, my VLC player often crashes my system when viewing a video. I use nVidia propriatary drivers as supplied through Ubuntu restricted hardware. [12:10] System becomes totally unresponsive, even my mouse cursor is frozen. SSH from outside does not respond either. [12:14] Nitrigaur, try MPV, it handles videos thet vlc can't play properly [12:19] Xenial pinning is fucked up. It keeps installing systemd even though i blacklisted it. How do i solve this? [12:20] same with gtk3- [12:21] i have set the /etc/apt/preferences.d/10pin properly and it works with trusty just fine. [12:21] upstart is installed and running, yet systemd keeps coming back in xenial [12:23] if i install anything gui related or even ncurses related the bastard keeps reinstalling itself on my system. I have also removed all rights in /etc/groups for systemd so even if it was there, it would not have any rights [12:24] nagerst, systemd has been default since 15.04 [12:25] yes but upstart is available as an option in the LTS and will be so until 2021 [12:25] and upstart/systemd is not the problem. The problem is that apt, aptitude and apt-get ignores the pinning. [12:25] Serious bug [12:26] And being default does not make other options disappear. Look at desktops. [12:27] systemd is default on 16.04 Xenial afaik [12:27] BluesKaj: yes, but you can change it to upstart if you want [12:27] Xenial is the last version with upstart afaik [12:27] since when [12:28] never heard that one [12:28] since always [12:28] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=upstart&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all [12:28] it works just fine [12:29] later versions wont have it... zesty has but it is not lts [12:29] and thus no hwe [12:29] * BluesKaj shrugs, so why are you worried about systemd, it works fine...not that I care. [12:30] ignore the systemd part. Why is blacklisting no longer working, that is the focus [12:30] i installed ubuntu-gnome on a laptop, i want to set different power options for "on battery" & for "plugged in" in regular power options there is no way to set different options, how can i achieve this? [12:30] i have no intention of starting a systemd thread [12:31] sruli: apmd for systems made on the p6 core or later. for netburst systems it is harder, but workable as you have to set the throttling manually. [12:33] sruli, i think the Gnome tweak tool has more power options than the basic options presented with "Settings" [12:34] BluesKaj: If basic pinning no longer works, do you not consider that a major bug? [12:34] sruli, run kde/plasma. that will give you those options [12:35] nagerst, nope [12:35] pinning had that bug in 2015, but it was fixed. Trusty does not have it, yet xenial does. [12:35] BluesKaj: why not? [12:35] Tin_man: i checked there nothing extra [12:35] dunno never used it [12:36] BluesKaj: kde/plasma, is that preinstalled or do i need to install it? is it command line config or gui? === SimonNL_Afk is now known as SimonNL [12:36] may i know what is the apt-get install to install sasl? [12:36] !kde/plasma [12:36] !kde [12:36] KDE (http://kde.org) is an open community that creates and maintains software including the Plasma desktop. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information. [12:36] BluesKaj: So if Xorg had a bug that prevented you from running nested sessions you would be fine with it if you didnt use it. Or if the kernel allowed for a root guest session if you typed in a secret command.... [12:37] sruli,^ [12:37] BluesKaj: i dont want kde desktop [12:37] gnomorreah is fine, trust me. You harly feel it =D [12:38] sruli, looking at my settings compared to the Gnome tweak tool there are several more settings, including "On Battery Power". [12:38] and "When Plugged in" [12:39] Tin_man: not for after how long to turn off screen or sleep [12:39] nagerst, sorry nesting isn't something I even use, so you're asking the wrong person [12:40] sruli, too bad, have you even tried it? [12:40] Pinning is important. For example if you want to install a non-wacom tablet and use specific xorg drivers and thus pin the wacom driver to never install in any possible scenario (as it breaks the other drivers) [12:41] BluesKaj: tried waht installing kubuntu-desktop? i am not at the machine now, will be later [12:41] ok [12:42] Nitrigaur installed mint in legacy mode windows drive unplugged, ran grub update and everything is working just right now [12:43] BluesKaj: so what i need to install [12:44] sruli, might check this link, have not read it all, but seems there used to be (maybe still works) command line settings. >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/430384/turn-screen-off-when-inactive-setting-from-terminal [12:45] thanks all === SimonNL is now known as SimonNL_Afk [13:06] hi all, have i to use generic or "open" "driver" or have i to download them from their official site, the sites of their manufacturers? for example HP? [13:07] jk^, which drivers, for what hardware? [13:08] !drivers | jk^ [13:08] boo [13:08] BluesKaj, audio and video drivers [13:08] and maybe i need also drivers for a little ethernet-usb adapter [13:08] jk^: audio should always "just work". for video you might need additional driver if nvidia [13:09] jk^: drivers for network cards should also just work [13:09] my video card isn't nvidia [13:09] is intel (integrated/embedded) [13:09] jk^: in the software installer you should have a tab for additional/restricted drivers, and it should show if you need anything extra and offer to download that [13:09] jk^: you're good then [13:09] jk open source drivers are adjusted for your Linux OS, other mfg linux drivers are general linux drivers an are not open source, sometimes called proprietary [13:10] jk^: as long as everything works, there's no need to wonder if you are missing something :) [13:10] what means "mfg"? [13:10] manufacturer ,jk^ [13:11] mmmhh :\ with my poor english i understand just something :\ [13:12] jk^,do you have a problem or was that just a general question? [13:47] Nitrigaur: hi [13:47] there isn't any message in dmesg and audit [13:56]