[00:00] <DroidLinux93> Can Wine do gaming?
[00:01] <KsChoice> TJ-: Tried a different KB, no results yet
[00:01] <arktvrvs> DroidLinux93, yes some. check the appdb for specifics
[00:01] <KsChoice> TJ-: nope, just your average a-z mixed with some !@#$%^&*
[00:03] <Tex_Nick> DroidLinux93: Wine Application Database (AppDB) ... https://appdb.winehq.org/
[00:04] <KsChoice> TJ-: Looks to be an issue with login
[00:04] <KsChoice> I get in on SSH, no problem
[00:04] <KsChoice> then I run login, enter with my name and password and that fails
[00:04] <tsarompy> meh
[00:04] <tsarompy> DroidLinux93: install windows inside of virtualbox
[00:04] <tsarompy> thats what id do
[00:05] <DroidLinux93> arktvrvs can i contribute to the database?
[00:05] <DroidLinux93> tsarompy i only have a copy of windows 10 and my computer freezed up alot on the windows 10 fall update lol
[00:05] <DroidLinux93> This machine is almost perfect with Ubuntu :)
[00:05] <TJ-> KsChoice: i wonder, does "journalctl -u systemd-logind.service" report anything?
[00:07] <KsChoice> TJ-: Dec 21 18:03:28 ingiga-server-office systemd-logind[1197]: New session 34 of user sven.
[00:09] <TJ-> KsChoice: ok, try resetting PAM: "sudo pam-auth-update"
[00:09] <TJ-> KsChoice: if there are any changes it'll tell you and not change anything
[00:10] <KsChoice> TJ-: I get a text UI in front of me whereI have to enable some of three PAM profiles
[00:10] <TJ-> KsChoice: also, check the permissions of your $HOME directory
[00:10] <KsChoice> Unix authentication
[00:10] <KsChoice> Register user sessions in the systemd control goroup hiarchy
[00:11] <KsChoice> Create home directory on login
[00:11] <KsChoice> TJ-: $HOME permissions are 755 for all users (We've tried all users, none can login on TTY, but SSH works fine
[00:12] <TJ-> KsChoice: OK, so this is a system-wide issue. Ctrl+C the pam-auth-update for now
[00:13] <TJ-> KsChoice: when was the last time TTY logins worked?
[00:13] <KsChoice> TJ-: checking journalctl -f  shows pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=sven uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/pts/0 ruser= rhost=  user=sven... logname sven, but uid 0? is that correct?
[00:13] <KsChoice> TJ-: I don't recall the TTYs ever being used.. PErhaps at install time a few months ago
[00:13] <Bashing-om> KsChoice: TJ- Broken graphic's driver ?
[00:14] <KsChoice> TJ-: I"m only using them now because I wanted to do some networking tests
[00:14] <TJ-> Bashing-om: server
[00:14] <KsChoice> TJ-: Its a server...
[00:14] <KsChoice> TJ-: I mean, there is no GUI on this thing at all
[00:14] <TJ-> KsChoice: OK, I'm trying to reproduce here, give me a few minutes
[00:14] <KsChoice> Thanks for the help!
[00:14] <KsChoice> I'm just rather flabergasted here, I've never seen this issue before and I've seen things.. I've seen things...
[00:14] <TJ-> KsChoice: typing wrong password -> "login[30146]: pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty3 ruser= rhost=  user=tj"
[00:15]  * KsChoice has a thousand yard stare
[00:15] <TJ-> KsChoice: ... > "login[30146]: FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/tty3' FOR 'tj', Authentication failure"
[00:15] <KsChoice> TJ-: I get authentication failure on both correct and wrong password
[00:15] <TJ-> KsChoice: I know, but now we know what a 'good' system reports
[00:15] <KsChoice> Ok
[00:15] <TJ-> KsChoice: I think this is a PAM issue, for sure.
[00:16] <TJ-> the login path through PAM for ssh and tty is different
[00:16] <KsChoice> TJ-: Yeah, I know that part, but that is about as far as my PAM knowledge goes
[00:17] <KsChoice> I'm looking for a "tty" module in pam, maybe it is that easy, but found nothing yet
[00:17] <TJ-> KsChoice: when you ran pan-auth-update, was Unix authentication enabled?
[00:18] <KsChoice> TJ-: yes
[00:20] <TJ-> KsChoice: OK, so I think that is correct. Here's what I see (on a desktop system) https://paste.ubuntu.com/26230150/
[00:20] <KsChoice> TJ-: Can PAM log what exact module is failing (and best of all, why?)?
[00:20] <TJ-> KsChoice: yes, I was trying to remember how I enabled PAM debugging, hold on I'll check my notes
[00:20] <KsChoice> TJ-: mmmm, I only have 3 options here
[00:27] <TJ-> KsChoice: that's fine, you don't have additional packages that desktop does
[00:28] <TJ-> KsChoice: does /etc/nologin exist?
[00:28] <KsChoice> TJ-: no
[00:34] <TJ-> KsChoice: I've been trying to get pam_unix to honour it's "debug" option but so far failed
[00:35] <lindoelio> Hey guys!
[00:37] <KsChoice> lindoelio: Hello there!
[00:43] <s3v3r_b00t> a
[00:50] <TJ-> KsChoice: seems like where-ever or however I add 'debug' to the pam_unix.so  entries, no additional logging occurs
[00:50] <KsChoice> Yay :)
[00:51] <TJ-> I even restarted the systemd-logind service
[00:51] <KsChoice> TJ-: I'm kind of at the point of giving up here, unless anybody has an idea.. Google shows nothing, I've tried enabling logging as well without success, nothing worked.. I will just default to blaming systemd, which usually isn't that far from the truth anyway ;)
[00:52] <KsChoice> TJ-: Thanks anyway for the help.. But at this point I really have no idea anymore and I'm basically ready to throw the towel in the ring.. The server works perfectly well for the rest and we never use the TTYs anyway
[00:52] <KsChoice> Its more a "in case we need it" thing
[00:52] <TJ-> KsChoice: it's a weird one!
[00:53] <TJ-> KsChoice: I see others report the same issue but no-one adds a solution
[00:59] <texla> How do I open a directory in terminal
[01:00] <kk4ewt> cd directoryname
[01:03] <TJ-> KsChoice: is there an extra long failure delay set? "grep pam_faildelay.so /etc/pam.d/*"
[01:04] <texla> kk4ewt, No such file or directory
[01:07] <TJ-> KsChoice: also, are you using password login over SSH, or certificates?
[01:08] <Loshki> TJ-: seriously. Is there a bug report somewhere?
[01:10] <TJ-> Loshki: for what?
[01:11] <Loshki> KsChoice's bug, to which I thought you just said "I see others report the same issue"
[01:11] <Loshki> TJ-: ^^^
[01:11] <TJ-> Loshki: no evidence of a bug yet; I still think it's a keyboard input issue
[01:50] <LogicalDash> I just switched to a Radeon R9 390x and it seems to work until I perform certain user interface interactions, notably trying to open the menu by clicking the dots on the bottom left. Then I get a black screen. What's broken?
[01:50] <LogicalDash> The card seems to work fine in windows
[01:52] <LogicalDash> Looks like there's a new kernel so I'll upgrade and make sure that's not the issue
[02:02] <LogicalDash> Right, nope, this still happens on the latest kernel. I can log in, usually, and open a file manager, and browse around that a bit, but if I try to open anything more than that I get a black screen and the GPU spins its fans really loud in pulses
[02:03] <LogicalDash> Ubuntu 17.10 latest everything
[02:11] <LogicalDash> Now on a separate machine so i don't keep disconnecting
[02:14] <LogicalDash> How can I debug this graphics issue? The machine keeps black-screening and I don't know how to get more info about what's going on then
[02:16] <slyrobot> I am looking to buy an SSD M.2 to be precise. However I think they have some issues that needs addressing before they can be used properly ?
[02:17] <slyrobot> What should I see when I am buying them ?
[02:27] <kk4ewt> slyrobot,  see if your hardware supports it
[02:37] <slyrobot> kk4ewt: My hardware supports a M.2 SSD with SATA3 however what I am not sure of the issues SSDs have with linux at times.
[02:43] <northivanastan> Appreciate your patience. I'm not aware of any driver issues around SSDs. Just make sure you are using the latest Ubuntu
[02:46] <slyrobot> northivanastan: Thanks northivanastan. But I was looking at some Reddit threads
[02:47] <slyrobot> Also this URL : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd
[02:49] <northivanastan> These are issues with SSDs in general - they tend to wear down very quickly if written to so often.
[02:49] <slyrobot> northivanastan: Okay. So they are sort of countermeasure that we can take to ensure better life ?
[02:51] <northivanastan> Yep. Disable fragmentation, reduce disk-heavy operations, etc.
[02:52] <slyrobot> Thanks northivanastan and kk4ewt. You people have been a great help.
[03:26] <JJBby> question, 17.10 has a screen shot shortcut of prt sc, where does that save too?
[03:27] <northivanastan> I'm not on 17.10, but as far as I know prtsc has always saved to ~/Pictures
[03:27] <JJBby> yes, they are, as that would make sense.
[03:28] <JJBby> thanks northivanastan
[03:45] <guillec> Hello, can someone help me understand something basic about package managers. I am trying to install ruby but on my computer the latest version I see is 2.3.3 under "artful". On Ubuntu package manager website I see 2.5 but under "bionic". Can someone explain what these are ? And how can I get "boinic showing on my terminal. Thanks for any help"
[03:45] <guillec> I am using apt
[03:48] <gbellinoz> What doesn't notify-send work from root even if DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is set?
[03:51] <toothe> damn, systemtap on ubuntu is still super out of date.
[03:51] <toothe> How do I make noise about this? I already submitted a ticket.
[03:52] <northivanastan> guillec bionic and artful are codenames for ubuntu versions
[03:53] <guillec> nothivanstan ah ok, sorry learning. is there a way I can tell my system to pull from bionic ? via the /etc/source files? or is that not recommended?
[03:53] <northivanastan> toothe submitting a ticket and bug is really the loudest you can get sadly
[03:53] <DroidLinux93> Hello! Is Crossover better than wine or are both the same equally?
[03:54] <northivanastan> guillec you can do that, make sure you follow with apt dist-upgrade, but it isn't recommended.
[03:54] <guillec> northivanastan: thank you will do some research
[03:55] <northivanastan> DroidLinux93 Crossover has a lot of improvements, pretty much no bugs, but I don't think it's worth the money.
[03:55] <northivanastan> Wine is good for most purposes, though the bugs do show.
[03:55] <DroidLinux93> Just looking for something to be able to play Roblox again :(
[03:55] <DroidLinux93> They say roblox rating in wine is Garbage
[03:56] <gbellinoz> Oh wow, I said "what" instead of "why".
[03:56] <northivanastan> Then go with crossover, or a Windows VM
[03:56] <gbellinoz> I've read a bunch of SO Q&As, and setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is supposed to be all that's needed to get notify-send to work from other users.
[03:56] <DroidLinux93> I wish there was a way to get android apps to run natively.. Roblox has a apk for that
[04:03] <toothe> I submitted a ticket months ago
[04:03] <toothe> and made noise months ago.
[04:32] <gbellinoz> I have an idea... why don't I *not* spend 2 hours getting my special keyboard buttons to do exactly what I want just so that it can all not work next time I upgrade?
[04:33] <gbellinoz> Splendid!  Way to prioritize your time and get wiser as you get older!  Certainly 5 times in one lifetime doing that is enough, yes?
[04:47] <lucas-arg> I know this might be a question that I shouldnt be askin there but ill hive it a shot... i have ubuntu 16.04 stable and clean, but need lastest features of libreoffice, how secure is to use libreoffice ppas to have lastest version?
[04:50] <lordcirth> lucas-arg, major ppas are fairly secure.
[04:53] <lucas-arg> thanks
[05:05] <Pokoloko> My left speaker isnt working how can i fix this ?
[05:06] <lordcirth> Pokoloko, have you confirmed it's not a hardware problem?
[05:07] <Pokoloko> lordcirth: I have tested with other os and it works perfectly so i presume it is not a hardware problem
[05:09] <tatertots> Pokoloko: open terminal
[05:09] <tatertots> Pokoloko: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[05:09] <tatertots> Pokoloko: let me know when done
[05:12] <Pokoloko> tatertots: https://pastebin.com/5PXKhPHZ
[05:13] <tatertots> Pokoloko: i want inxi -Fxxrzc0
[05:13] <tatertots> when i don't get what i want....
[05:15] <tsarompy> i love inxi
[05:15] <Pokoloko> tatertots: https://pastebin.com/YmYV9s6P
[05:17] <Pokoloko> https://pastebin.com/YmYV9s6P
[05:25] <Pokoloko> I have checked that nothing is muted both left and right channels are at 100%
[05:45] <DroidLinux93> My monitor supports up to 1600x900 but Ubuntu is defaulted me to 1366x768 and changing to the 1600x900 res option everything in like hexchat and so on is hard to read.. How do i change the dpi so everything looks as comfortable as it did to read at the 1366x768
[05:53] <tsarompy> hi
[05:55] <JJBby> tsarompy: hello
[06:12] <wbill> yo
[06:22] <alkisg> Good morning everyone :)
[06:23] <piercedwater> good morning
[06:24] <piercedwater> just setup backintime
[06:24] <piercedwater> also setting up GitEye
[06:28] <johnflux_> I have lots of files, and some are similar but not identical.  For example, one txt file might just have different line wrapping to another ,but be otherwise identical
[06:28] <johnflux_> any idea how I could try to identify such files?
[06:28] <johnflux_> (and delete one of duplicates)
[06:29] <konrados> johnflux_: you want https://www.computerhope.com/unix/udiff.htm and ... a script.
[06:30] <johnflux_> konrados: I don't think that would work - that would be a O(N^2) operation
[06:32] <konrados> johnflux_: ok, but this seems to be a programming question, then try ...hmmm whatever language you prefer, like ##php or #cpp
[06:40] <piercedwater> same
[06:40] <piercedwater> wbu
[06:48] <alkisg> Has anyone used some tool like hashdeep, to store the md5sums and later on use them to verify the integrity of his documents? I just tried hashdeep, but I have multiple directory symlinks (e.g. LocalizedDocumentsName -> Documents) and it's processing the same files multiple times...
[06:49] <alkisg> Any alternatives? Or should I just use a `find | xargs md5sum` and call it a day? :)
[06:50] <alkisg> Hmm or maybe combine `find -type f | hashdeep`...
[06:53] <subsume> i am trying to go to 15.10 from 15.04 but do-release-upgrade -d  says 'no new release found'
[06:54] <subsume> join #linux
[06:55] <alkisg> subsume: downgrade from 15.10 to 15.04?!?
[06:55] <subsume> no... to 15.10 from 15.04
[06:55] <alkisg> Also, they're both unsupported, EOL...
[06:55] <alkisg> !eol
[06:55] <subsume> yeah, i eventually want to get to 16.04
[06:55] <alkisg> See the EOLUpgrades link for how to update the sources to be able to update
[06:56] <subsume> thanks, yeah i knew my sources.list was screwy, thanks
[07:03] <subsume> well... it didn't work
[07:03] <subsume> but everything the page suggested did actual work
[07:03] <subsume> except the last part
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> subsume: backup your stuff & clean install 16.04.3
[07:05] <subsume> eh yeah its all vms
[07:05] <subsume> i am just lazy
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> subsume: perhaps the #vbox guys might know a fast trick to save em?
[07:08] <subsume> yeah they're gonna tell me either docker or kubernetes like anyone has time for dat
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> subsume: maybe next time choose an LTS version to host your vm's on, this way you will save time for yourself
[07:09] <subsume> yeah it was a great favor i did myself, haha
[07:10] <subsume> anyway, thanks a bunch
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> np subsume
[07:10] <subsume> ps: i did hit up #vbox :P
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> !info aptoncd | subsume can also help you?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> too late
[07:20] <guess_what> chicken butt
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> guess_what: this is the ubuntu support channel
[07:52] <Fyr> guys, DNS doesn't work, while in the /etc/network/interfaces:
[07:52] <Fyr> dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4
[07:53] <Fyr> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[07:53] <Fyr> Torrent works.
[07:53] <Fyr> is there a way to fix it?
[07:55] <Fyr> when I try to ping, is says:
[07:55] <Fyr> ping: unknown host google.com
[07:55] <Fyr> but if I try ping 8.8.8.8 - it works fine.
[08:01] <ducasse> Fyr: what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
[08:01] <Fyr> ducasse, I added nameserver 8.8.8.8 and the network suddenly worked.
[08:02] <tsarompy> ducasse: yo mama!
[08:02] <Fyr> will it happen again?
[08:02] <Fyr> because resolv.conf will be overwritten.
[08:02] <ducasse> Fyr: it should pick up your servers from /etc/network/interfaces
[08:03] <Fyr> yeah, dns-nameserver is set to 8.8.8. 8.8.4.4
[08:54] <Hyouchuu> Hallo o/
[09:04] <EraserPencil> I have sucessfully got a website runing at 192.168.1.102, how do i make the switch to www.sandwich.com
[09:11] <EraserPencil> is ngrock the only solution I have?
[09:14] <tatertots> EraserPencil: there's this thing called dns, its really cool it handles translation between easy "human readable" stuff like www.sandwich.com and a IP address
[09:14] <tatertots> EraserPencil: you should check it out
[09:20] <EraserPencil> I have pointed my namecheap domain's type records to my public ip, forwarded ports on my router, and changed servernames on my nginx config giles  to the domain. Cant seem to identify what im missing to make things work
[09:23] <Phanes> is ubuntu release management using agile workflows?
[09:26] <deem> EraserPencil: if you could provide an error mesage, that would be nice
[09:29] <tatertots> EraserPencil: just do this dude
[09:29] <tatertots> EraserPencil: nslookup www.sandwich.com
[09:30] <tatertots> EraserPencil: i know that's not your actual name but i hope you're smart enough to substitute for the actual
[09:30] <tatertots> EraserPencil: now if you know what you're doing...what needs to be done is now immediately obvious
[09:31] <tatertots> EraserPencil: if you do not..i suggest you pipe that to pastebin and let somebody else see it
[09:32] <tatertots> EraserPencil: 10-4...roger that?
[09:35] <blackflow> EraserPencil: did the namecheap servers actually accepted the change? did it propagate to any downstream resolvers you're using?
[09:42] <EraserPencil> I dont know of any downstream resolvers I might be using
[09:43] <mplavsic> hello! I encounted a problem and maybe someone can help me fix it. I tried to build from source the newer boost/libboost libraries on 16.04, I followed the instructions but some of the dependencies (60-70) were not installed correctly. So I decided to remove all libboost* files from /usr/local/lib and the boost directory from the include directory. The problem is now that I tried to install the boost libraries directly through
[09:43] <mplavsic> the console, but whenever I try to use libboost it says that my version is 0.0.0. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[09:45] <mplavsic> I mean, I used "sudo apt install libboost-all-dev" after compiling from source was not successful
[09:53] <kikimi> Hi!. I updated Ubuntu budgie from 17.04 to 17.10, but I'm having issues when updating packages.
[09:53] <kikimi> https://pastebin.com/urPD2EDu
[09:53] <kikimi> I think My source.list is corrupt
[09:54] <kikimi> Any hint how to fix it?
[09:55] <onlyabyte> kikimi: There is one thing I could suggest.
[09:55] <onlyabyte> You could try downloading bleachbit
[09:55] <alkisg> kikimi: does this command exist in budgie? software-properties-gtk
[09:56] <onlyabyte> And run a APT clean - alternatively, you can run "sudo apt clean"
[09:56] <onlyabyte> Not sure if this is in budgie but you can go to "software & updates" and change your mirror.
[09:57] <onlyabyte> My guess is that it is trying to use 17.04 mirrors for 17.10
[09:57] <kikimi> onlyabyte, yes it has it.
[10:00] <kikimi> I run sudo apt clean
[10:00] <alkisg> This doesn't help with mirrors
[10:01] <alkisg> (11:55:59 πμ) alkisg: kikimi: does this command exist in budgie? software-properties-gtk
[10:01] <kikimi> alkisg, yes it exists. Ubuntu budgie is based on ubuntu
[10:01] <alkisg> kikimi: ok, run it, and delete everything that mentions "zesty" from that dialog
[10:02] <alkisg> (in the Other software tab)
[10:03] <kikimi> alkisg, I did. Here is the th source list: https://pastebin.com/nwZHAXPK
[10:03] <kikimi> alkisg, when I run apt update
[10:03] <alkisg> kikimi: E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/pdoes/gitflow-avh/ubuntu artful Release' does not have a Release file.
[10:03] <alkisg> Remove that one too
[10:03] <kikimi> ok
[10:03] <alkisg> In general that's a dialog where you can remove your broken repositories
[10:04] <alkisg> Those that produce errors
[10:05] <alkisg> kikimi: and of course there's the easy way of `sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*`, which removes all the custom repositories and only keeps the official ones
[10:05] <kikimi> alkisg, here is the rsult of apt update: https://pastebin.com/8sD4asu9
[10:06] <alkisg> kikimi: those require captchas, can you use paste.ubuntu.com instead?
[10:06] <kikimi> alkisg, I still hace redundant stuff when running updates, like: W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:43 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3
[10:07] <kikimi> shall I remove all chrome stuff
[10:07] <alkisg> kikimi: yes
[10:07] <alkisg> Your /etc/apt/sources.list should only contain official ubuntu links, not PPAs or chrome repositories etc
[10:08] <kikimi> ok. Ill delete all as you suggested: `sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*`
[10:09] <kikimi> alkisg, ok I think it worked. Thanks a lot
[10:09] <kikimi> !
[10:27] <throstur> how do I reload /etc/environment? Just source? but don't I need to export each var?
[10:30] <alkisg> throstur: this is read by pam, so you basically need to re-login
[10:30] <throstur> alkisg: so if I change /etc/environment during an installation script as root, I can't ever use those changes within the secssion? How do I make an env var persist?
[10:31] <alkisg> throstur: define "persist" in more detail
[10:31] <alkisg> You can of course source environment and export it
[10:31] <throstur> alkisg: persist as in, define it in one script, and it's still defined in every other script that runs under or after it
[10:31] <alkisg> But the 'automatic' way that this file is used, is by pam
[10:32] <alkisg> Scripts don't source environment, so you need to manually source and export it,
[10:32] <alkisg> all exported variables are inherited by all childs
[10:32] <throstur> what about followers
[10:32] <alkisg> What is a "follower"?
[10:32] <alkisg> There are parent processes and child processes, I don't know anything about "follower" processes :)
[10:32] <throstur> like... ./1 ./2
[10:33] <throstur> 2 follows 1
[10:33] <throstur> I don't know what you would call this honestly
[10:33] <throstur> it seems logical to call it a follower
[10:33] <alkisg> Process "a" calls "b" and then "c"
[10:33] <alkisg> If process "a" has a VAR exported, both b and c will get it
[10:33] <alkisg> As both are its children
[10:33] <throstur> so how do I make b export VAR to its siblings?
[10:33] <alkisg> You can't
[10:34] <throstur> why not?
[10:34] <alkisg> Because "a" can export variables for "c", not "b"
[10:34] <alkisg> So "b" would need to tell "a" what to export
[10:35] <throstur> you'd assume there to be some facility for that, otherwise this use case would require a to listen to b
[10:35] <alkisg> An example is initramfs-tools
[10:35] <alkisg> "a" there is "init"
[10:35] <alkisg> "init" runs childs like "b","c" etc
[10:36] <alkisg> When "b" wants something in environment, it writes it to /tmp/conf and exits
[10:36] <alkisg> Then, "a" reads it and exports it for "c"
[10:36] <alkisg> There's no facility, you need to have code in "a" or elsewhere in the system for that
[10:40] <alkisg> throstur: man initramfs-tools and search for param.conf, it's the example I was mentioning
[10:40] <alkisg>               /conf/param.conf allows boot scripts to change exported variables that are listed on top of init. Write the new values to it. It will be sourced after an boot script run if it exists.
[10:41] <alkisg> So "b" writes values there, "a=init" sources them, and then "c" can see them
[10:42] <alkisg> throstur: btw, if you mention what you're trying to do, there may be better ways.
[10:53] <throstur> yeah, but my example is concrete, that is literally what I was trying to do
[10:53] <throstur> I ended up editing someone else's code (a) instead repeating myself in b and c
[11:47] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10. Since upgrading from 17.04, my VLC player often crashes my system when viewing a video. I use nVidia propriatary drivers as supplied through Ubuntu restricted hardware.
[11:49] <Nitrigaur> System becomes totally unresponsive, even my mouse cursor is frozen. SSH from outside does not respond either.
[11:49] <amosbird> Hi, Why is my bluetooth keyboard not able to connect to Linux? However, I can connect to the keyboard from Linux. Is there a permission I should configure?
[11:51] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, did you find anything in dmesg or possibly /var/log/audit?
[11:51] <amosbird> no
[11:51] <rikama_> Installed mint yesterday, before install unplugged other drives (dualboot installation), installation went ok, but cannot dualboot. I think, win 10 was installed in legacy mode, and mint installed in efi mode, is this the problem?
[11:51] <amosbird> however i can see it keeps reconnecting
[11:51] <amosbird> Nitrigaur: so what might be the cause ?
[11:52] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, what Bluetooth stack are you using?
[11:52] <amosbird> bluez
[11:52] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, dis/ reconnects should appear in dmesg and/or syslog.
[11:53] <amosbird> oh
[11:53] <amosbird> hmm, i don't have the access now, will check it in an hour :3
[11:54] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, if you have any interesting logs, please pastebin them, rather than copy-pasting them into the channel, OK?
[11:54] <amosbird> cool
[11:54] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, please clarify are you unable to boot Mint, or Win10?
[11:56] <rikama_> Nitrigaur, im am able to boot both of them, but only if I change boot settings from mobo
[11:56] <rikama_> Problem is that grub cant find the windows installation
[11:57] <rikama_> I did /sudo update-grub after mint install, but win10 wont show up
[11:58] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, that makes sense, since Windows doesn't recognize the command if installed in MBR (legacy) mode and called from EFI mode.
[11:59] <sruli> i installed ubuntu-gnome on a laptop, i want to set different power options for "on battery" & for "plugged in" in regular power options there is no way to set different options, how can i achieve this?
[11:59] <rikama_> I thought, I should reinstall mint now without efi mode this time
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:00] <rikama_> It is safe to wipe the linux drive now, since there are no changes in win drives?
[12:00] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, You might try installing a fake MBR into EFI and chainloading Windows from there, that way Windows thinks it's still in legacy mode. That might cause havoc on your partitions should you create another partition though.
[12:01] <rikama_> I can also reinstall mint, it is not a big deal i think?
[12:01] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, That would be the safest route indeed, but depending on what mobo you have, you might be stuck with PS/2 keyboard/ mouse during the install.
[12:02] <rikama_> Well I have 20 keyboards and mouses right here so wont be a problem
[12:02] <rikama_> I do the reinstall
[12:02] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, haha, a fellow sysadmin?
[12:03] <rikama_> Nah, just collecting too much stuff in my house
[12:05] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, oh, my ... (no comment.;-P ) . The obvious disadvantage is that you can have only 2 primary partitions in legacy mode, but since Linux does not care if it boots from a secondary or a primary partition, that should not really matter. If you have a need for more than 2 partitions, you could install LVM to take care of that.
[12:08] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, An LVM physical volume (PV) is seen as a single partition by the BIOS/ EFI and can contain many more Logical Volumes (LV).
[12:09] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, it takes a bit of planning during setup, but you can just plonk another HDD into your system and extend your LV onto that if you are in need of extra drive space. Very convenient. :-)
[12:10] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10. Since upgrading from 17.04, my VLC player often crashes my system when viewing a video. I use nVidia propriatary drivers as supplied through Ubuntu restricted hardware.
[12:10] <Nitrigaur> System becomes totally unresponsive, even my mouse cursor is frozen. SSH from outside does not respond either.
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Nitrigaur, try MPV, it handles videos thet vlc can't play properly
[12:19] <nagerst> Xenial pinning is fucked up. It keeps installing systemd even though i blacklisted it. How do i solve this?
[12:20] <nagerst> same with gtk3-
[12:21] <nagerst> i have set the /etc/apt/preferences.d/10pin properly and it works with trusty just fine.
[12:21] <nagerst> upstart is installed and running, yet systemd keeps coming back in xenial
[12:23] <nagerst> if i install anything gui related or even ncurses related the bastard keeps reinstalling itself on my system. I have also removed all rights in /etc/groups for systemd so even if it was there, it would not have any rights
[12:24] <BluesKaj> nagerst, systemd has been default since 15.04
[12:25] <nagerst> yes but upstart is available as an option in the LTS and will be so until 2021
[12:25] <nagerst> and upstart/systemd is not the problem. The problem is that apt, aptitude and apt-get ignores the pinning.
[12:25] <nagerst> Serious bug
[12:26] <nagerst> And being default does not make other options disappear. Look at desktops.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> systemd is default on 16.04 Xenial afaik
[12:27] <nagerst> BluesKaj: yes, but you can change it to upstart if you want
[12:27] <nagerst> Xenial is the last version with upstart afaik
[12:27] <BluesKaj> since when
[12:28] <BluesKaj> never heard that one
[12:28] <nagerst> since always
[12:28] <nagerst> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=upstart&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[12:28] <nagerst> it works just fine
[12:29] <nagerst> later versions wont have it... zesty has but it is not lts
[12:29] <nagerst> and thus no hwe
[12:29]  * BluesKaj shrugs, so why are you worried about systemd, it works fine...not that I care.
[12:30] <nagerst> ignore the systemd part. Why is blacklisting no longer working, that is the focus
[12:30] <sruli> i installed ubuntu-gnome on a laptop, i want to set different power options for "on battery" & for "plugged in" in regular power options there is no way to set different options, how can i achieve this?
[12:30] <nagerst> i have no intention of starting a systemd thread
[12:31] <nagerst> sruli: apmd for systems made on the p6 core or later. for netburst systems it is harder, but workable as you have to set the throttling manually.
[12:33] <Tin_man> sruli, i think the Gnome tweak tool has more power options than the basic options presented with "Settings"
[12:34] <nagerst> BluesKaj: If basic pinning no longer works, do you not consider that a major bug?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> sruli, run kde/plasma. that will give you those options
[12:35] <BluesKaj> nagerst, nope
[12:35] <nagerst> pinning had that bug in 2015, but it was fixed. Trusty does not have it, yet xenial does.
[12:35] <nagerst> BluesKaj: why not?
[12:35] <sruli> Tin_man: i checked there nothing extra
[12:35] <BluesKaj> dunno never used it
[12:36] <sruli> BluesKaj: kde/plasma, is that preinstalled or do i need to install it? is it command line config or gui?
[12:36] <aaap> may i know what is the apt-get install <name > to install sasl?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> !kde/plasma
[12:36] <BluesKaj> !kde
[12:36] <nagerst> BluesKaj: So if Xorg had a bug that prevented you from running nested sessions you would be fine with it if you didnt use it. Or if the kernel allowed for a root guest session if you typed in a secret command....
[12:37] <BluesKaj> sruli,^
[12:37] <sruli> BluesKaj: i dont want kde desktop
[12:37] <nagerst> gnomorreah is fine, trust me. You harly feel it =D
[12:38] <Tin_man> sruli, looking at my settings compared to the Gnome tweak tool  there are several more settings, including "On Battery Power".
[12:38] <Tin_man> and "When Plugged in"
[12:39] <sruli> Tin_man: not for after how long to turn off screen or sleep
[12:39] <BluesKaj> nagerst, sorry nesting isn't something I even use, so you're asking the wrong person
[12:40] <BluesKaj> sruli, too bad, have you even tried it?
[12:40] <nagerst> Pinning is important. For example if you want to install a non-wacom tablet and use specific xorg drivers and thus pin the wacom driver to never install in any possible scenario (as it breaks the other drivers)
[12:41] <sruli> BluesKaj: tried waht installing kubuntu-desktop? i am not at the machine now, will be later
[12:41] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:42] <rikama_> Nitrigaur installed mint in legacy mode windows drive unplugged, ran grub update and everything is working just right now
[12:43] <sruli> BluesKaj: so what i need to install
[12:44] <Tin_man> sruli, might check this link, have not read it all, but seems there used to be (maybe still works) command line settings.  >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/430384/turn-screen-off-when-inactive-setting-from-terminal
[12:45] <sruli> thanks all
[13:06] <jk^> hi all, have i to use generic or "open" "driver" or have i to download them from their official site, the sites of their manufacturers? for example HP?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> jk^, which drivers, for what hardware?
[13:08] <hateball> !drivers | jk^
[13:08] <hateball> boo
[13:08] <jk^> BluesKaj, audio and video drivers
[13:08] <jk^> and maybe i need also drivers for a little ethernet-usb adapter
[13:08] <hateball> jk^: audio should always "just work". for video you might need additional driver if nvidia
[13:09] <hateball> jk^: drivers for network cards should also just work
[13:09] <jk^> my video card isn't nvidia
[13:09] <jk^> is intel (integrated/embedded)
[13:09] <hateball> jk^: in the software installer you should have a tab for additional/restricted drivers, and it should show if you need anything extra and offer to download that
[13:09] <hateball> jk^: you're good then
[13:09] <BluesKaj> jk open source drivers are adjusted for your Linux OS, other mfg linux drivers are general linux drivers an are not open source, sometimes called proprietary
[13:10] <hateball> jk^: as long as everything works, there's no need to wonder if you are missing something :)
[13:10] <jk^> what means "mfg"?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> manufacturer ,jk^
[13:11] <jk^> mmmhh :\ with my poor english i understand just something :\
[13:12] <BluesKaj> jk^,do you have a problem or was that just a general question?
[13:47] <amosbird> Nitrigaur: hi
[13:47] <amosbird> there isn't any message in dmesg and audit
[13:56] <ppf> !info linux-image
[13:56] <ppf> !info linux-image-generic
[13:59] <linocisco> hi all
[13:59] <amosbird> Nitrigaur: ah, i got the log https://la.wentropy.com/r9VR
[13:59] <linocisco> I could not install clamAV on ubuntu 64 bit.16.04
[14:00] <linocisco> installation never succeded
[14:03] <ppf> linocisco: okay?
[14:04] <linocisco> ppf, no
[14:04] <ppf> linocisco: so what's the issue?
[14:04] <ppf> [obligatory ceterum censeo: don't install AV]
[14:05] <linocisco> ppf, first I tried to install with tarball. not ok. Then I tried to install apt-get . not ok and conflicted with previous installation. I dont know where is the log to check. Should I run ./configure and make, and make install again?
[14:05] <ppf> no, install it from the repos (unless you know what you're doing, that's the best way to go)
[14:06] <ppf> what's "conflicted" mean precisely?
[14:08] <amosbird> Nitrigaur: oops, here is the actual log https://la.wentropy.com/8lX1
[14:13] <allure> guys, how can I make apache skip the Internal Dummy Connection logging? I wish they continue to happen, but just don't get logged. Is that possible?
[14:14] <kaddi> hi, i just read about the bios issues with 17.10. I'm about to reinstall 17.10 on my laptop.. Do I need to worry? Are Samsung Laptops affected at all?
[14:18] <ppf> kaddi: looks like only non-thinkpad lenovos are affected
[14:18] <ppf> but obviously there's no guarantee ;)
[14:18] <kaddi> ppf ok, thanks
[14:18] <kaddi> I'll go ahead then :)
[14:19] <ppf> kaddi: i mean, google for you specific make and model, maybe there is something
[14:20] <kaddi> ppf I did, I've seen reports for acer and asus, but not for samsung.. I'm just not interested in being the first ;)
[14:20] <ppf> kaddi: but being the first is it's own reward!
[14:21] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, sorry for responding this late, I was called away.
[14:21] <ppf> if you want to play it safe just wait a week for the dust to settle
[14:21] <amosbird> Nitrigaur: :3
[14:22] <kaddi> ppf yeah I have a seriously failed upgrade on my hands where especially permissions are effed up. So I'm in need of fixing it fast because I need the machine for work
[14:22] <kaddi> waiting a week unfortunately isn't an option. the question is more 16.04 or 17.10
[14:23] <hans_> i'm looking for a recent paste with the text "FakturaLarsen",
[14:23] <hans_> pasted sometime yesterday
[14:24] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, what does strike me as odd here is the OS mentioned: ArchLinux, which is a splendid distribution, but has only 1 thing in common with Ubuntu and that is that both distributions belong to the family of Linux.
[14:24] <amosbird> oh...
[14:25] <amosbird> well, at least the bluetooth stack doesn't differ that much
[14:25] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, ArchLinux has it's own support channels. The Wiki pages for instance are superb. A shining example of Open Source project documentation.
[14:26] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, they also have their own channel, right here on freenode.
[14:26] <amosbird> yup, in fact i asked there already :3
[14:27] <amosbird> i thought #ubuntu might also be helpful
[14:27] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, it is not that I don't want to help you, but the huge difference between Arch and Ubuntu makes it quite hard to think along with you from behind the keyboard of an *buntu machine.
[14:28] <amosbird> ok. i didn't know it is related to distro
[14:28] <amosbird> i thought only the bluetoothd is concerned
[14:28] <Nitrigaur> I also run Arch, but right now, I'm booted to Ubuntu.
[14:30] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, a general question: What generation of Bluetooth does this keyboard of yours sport? And does it match the generation of the receiver?
[14:30] <amosbird> how can I get that info ?
[14:30] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, nothing strange to be seen in the audit logs?
[14:31] <amosbird> /var/log/audit is enmpty
[14:31] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, which means that you are not running SELinux, OK, that simplifies matters a bit.
[14:31] <amosbird> oh, ok :3
[14:32] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, don't get me wrong here, I love the features SELinux has to offer, but it can be pain to troubleshoot ;-)
[14:33] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, you can get hardwareinfo about your host's Bluetooth adapter in the output of lspci and in more detail, in the /proc mountpoint of kernel-data.
[14:34] <oerheks> Nitrigaur, help him in arch perhaps?
[14:34] <Nitrigaur> rikama_, Sorry for the late response. I'm glad that everything works fine again :-)
[14:34] <Nitrigaur> oerheks, good suggestion :-)
[14:35] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, you are welcome at #archlinux
[14:35] <amosbird> ah, ok
[14:36] <chuuna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whois/+bug/1739785
[14:37] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, there is a great advantage of discussing this in #archlinux Many people there know *a lot* more about Arch and they might recognize what you are running into and offer to help, *if* you have read the relevant parts in the Wiki and similar docs. first.
[14:38] <amosbird> thanks!
[14:38] <Nitrigaur> amosbird, don't mention it, just trying to help.
[14:39] <Nitrigaur> Anyhow, I need to leave now before the apothecary closes. I might be back later on. amosbird, maybe until later at #archlinux?
[14:39] <amosbird> Nitrigaur: cool!
[14:44] <jk^> jk^,do you have a problem or was that just a general question?
[14:45] <alkisg> jk^: talking to yourself?!
[14:45] <jk^> Some users using linux tells me that my operating system is slow even because i have not installed driver for audio and video card
 jk^,do you have a problem or was that just a general question?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> we use people's nicks here to avoid confusion, jk^
[14:48] <jk^> i'm just asnwering to BluesKaj
[14:48] <BluesKaj> you didn't answer me, just reposted my post, jk^
[14:49] <jk^> i answered, the problem is that the os is a little slow
[14:49] <jk^> i don't know if it depends by the drivers
[14:49] <BluesKaj> well i didn't see muy nick highlighted, so i probly missed it, jk^
[14:49] <jk^> i'm using os just like it was installed, i have not installed anything else,
[14:50] <jk^> so i haven't installed any driver from official site hp for video and audio card or from official site of ethernet-usb adapter
[14:50] <BluesKaj> jk^, have you updated and upgraded sinced the install?
[14:50] <jk^> yes BluesKaj
[14:50] <jk^> all updates are done
[14:51] <jk^> but if i haven't installed any driver from official hp site, then which drivers os is using?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> jk which video gpu and sound card
[14:51] <BluesKaj> jk^, ^
[14:51] <jk^> excuse me for my english "Which is the drivers that my os is using?"
[14:52] <jk^> moment
[14:52] <jk^> Monitor Plug and Play (1024x768@60Hz)
[14:52] <jk^> 			Monitor Plug and Play (1024x768@60Hz)
[14:52] <jk^> 			Intel Mobile Intel 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family (HP)
[14:52] <jk^> 			Intel Mobile Intel 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family (HP)
[14:53] <jk^> but i don't find it on HP site, maybe i have to try on intel site
[14:53] <jk^> Audio
[14:53] <jk^> 			SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio
[14:54] <chuuna> why dont ubuntu lts upgrade packages like whois?
[14:55] <jk^> BluesKaj,
[14:55] <chuuna> ubuntu LTS packages are outdated, why?
[14:56] <tomreyn> !latest | chuuna
[14:56] <BluesKaj> !paste| jk^
[15:00] <chuuna> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26233344/
[15:02] <BluesKaj> jk^, how old is yuor computer?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> your
[15:08] <TJ-> jk^: With Linux, all the drivers required by the hardware are included. Unlike Windows, you rarely need to find drivers
[15:10] <brainwash> same is true for windows
[15:10] <brainwash> unless you go back in time
[15:14] <linocisco> ppf, install from repo means apt-get install?
[15:21] <fxing> hello
[15:21] <fxing> its my first time to here
[15:24] <arora> fxing: Welcome!
[15:24] <fxing> thanks
[15:27] <arora> fxing: How's your experience with *buntu?
[15:28] <fxing> I use it for two years,i'm a student.
[15:28] <mbnt> Hi, is it possible to install GPU drivers for ubuntu as indicated here: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx  I am running ubuntu 17.04
[15:28] <arora> fxing: Same here, I am in high school!
[15:31] <fxing> arora : Oh,that sounds grate.
[15:31] <fxing> i come from China ,Where are you come from arora?
[15:32] <arora> fxing: Dubai
[15:33] <arora> mbnt: Amd drivers?
[15:33] <mbnt> Hi, is it possible to install GPU drivers for ubuntu as indicated here: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx  I am running ubuntu 17.04
[15:33] <leftyfb> mbnt: yes, it's possible
[15:33] <leftyfb> mbnt: hence the instructions you posted
[15:34] <mbnt> leftyfb, Have you installed these drivers?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> mbnt, yes , make sure you install the correct driver for your hardware
[15:34] <leftyfb> mbnt: no, I won't buy anything with AMD in it
[15:34] <mbnt> leftyfb, Then you had better not advise
[15:34] <hggdh> sigh
[15:35] <mbnt> Let me rephrase, has anyone successfully installed these drivers for 17.04?  http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx  I am running ubuntu 17.04
[15:36] <leftyfb> mbnt: that's not how this works. If you're only willing to accept help from someone with your exact situation, then you'll probably be waiting a long time. Since your yes or no question wasn't actually what you came here for, please post in detail what exactly you need help with. Start with what you have tried so far and mention any errors you came across.
[15:36] <hggdh> mbnt: you already asked this 3 times. Now please wait.
[15:36] <mbnt> leftyfb,  Let me rephrase, has anyone successfully installed these drivers for 17.04?  http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx  I am running ubuntu 17.04
[15:36] <leftyfb> no
[15:36] <leftyfb> that isn't your question
[15:37] <leftyfb> mbnt: do you need help installing those drivers?
[15:37] <mbnt> leftyfb, Sure
[15:37] <leftyfb> mbnt: ok, have you tried on your own yet?
[15:37] <mbnt> leftyfb, That's why I am here
[15:37] <leftyfb> so the answer would be "no"
[15:37] <mbnt> leftyfb, I tried, it did not work
[15:37] <mbnt> leftyfb, Hence why I am asking here
[15:37] <leftyfb> ok, so you did
[15:38] <mbnt> leftyfb, A bit OCD?
[15:38] <leftyfb> what errors/issues did you run into?
[15:38] <mbnt> leftyfb, Look at the instructions, it is for an earlier version of Ubuntu
[15:38] <leftyfb> that might not matter
[15:38] <mbnt> leftyfb, I am running 17.04
[15:39] <leftyfb> what errors/issues did you run into?
[15:39] <mbnt> leftyfb, It sort of does matter if the instructions specify this
[15:39] <mbnt> leftyfb, Perhaos someone installed this for 17.04 and can aleborate
[15:39] <mbnt> elaborate
[15:39] <leftyfb> no. That might only mean at the time those drivers were release, that was the latest version of ubuntu at the time. They could quite possibly work with later versions of ubuntu just fine
[15:40] <arora> mbnt: which amd card are you using?
[15:40] <mbnt> leftyfb, "quite possibly" is not sufficient.
[15:40] <mbnt> arora, AMD APU A8-7600 and an R7-240 Graphics card
[15:40] <leftyfb> mbnt: Yes, it is entirely sufficient. This is how things tend to work
[15:41] <mbnt> arora, Do you have experience with installing AMD drivers?
[15:41] <mbnt> arora, The new GPU pro ones
[15:42] <leftyfb> mbnt: what errors did you run into when you tried to install those drivers?
[15:42] <mbnt> leftyfb, I do not want your help
[15:43] <leftyfb> mbnt: Ok, go ahead and ask anyone else willing to help you if they have installed those exact drivers with your exact model card
[15:43] <mbnt> leftyfb, Thank you
[15:43] <TJ-> mbnt: You're losing a lot of valuable expertise; leftyfb is one of our best helpers
[15:45] <arora> mbnt: It will be hard to find someone using the same cards, most of the time, we learn by experimenting!
[15:46] <mbnt> arora, It is documented that the AMD GPU Pro drivers do not install well on Ubuntu. I am hoping that something may have recently changed
[15:47] <arora> What do you mean by " do not install well" ?
[15:47] <mbnt> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-PRO-Ubuntu-17.04  This for example
[15:47] <tomreyn> mbnt: and the default (amdgpu) drivers are not good enough?
[15:47] <leftyfb> mbnt: you forgot to check arora's credentials. You don't want to be accepting help from someone who isn't in your exact situation.
[15:47] <mbnt> https://community.amd.com/thread/214934
[15:47] <mbnt> leftyfb, Go troll elsewhere. Thank you kindly.  : - )
[15:48] <mbnt> tomreyn, I do video productions work, so the answer is 'no'.
[15:49] <tomreyn> mbnt: what's lacking then?
[15:49] <mbnt> tomreyn, Functioning drivers
[15:50] <mbnt> tomreyn, The proprietary drivers are required for proper hardware performance
[15:50] <tomreyn> mbnt: I would not consider a phoronix forum post 'documentation'. Also, it's aold.,. The 'pro' extensions to amdgpu were buggy in the initial release for ubuntu 16.04, but there are newer releases.
[15:50] <tomreyn> nonsense
[15:50] <mbnt> tomreyn, have you tried to install AMD drivers?
[15:51] <tomreyn> i'm using drivers for AMD hardware if that matters
[15:51] <mbnt> tomreyn, The amd gpu pro ones?
[15:51] <tomreyn> no
[15:51] <tomreyn> can i go now?
[15:51] <mbnt> mbnt, okay, we need not discuss further
[15:51] <leftyfb> lol
[15:51] <BluesKaj> amdgpu driver?
[15:51] <leftyfb> NEXT!
[15:51] <mbnt> tomreyn, Yes, kindly go away
[15:51] <tomreyn> :)
[15:53] <BluesKaj> mbnt, you're the one asking for help, so some accurate deatails are in order on your part
[15:53] <TJ-> mbnt: For someone seeking free help your attitude is lacking. I suggest you contact AMD since that is where the issue lies.
[15:54] <mbnt> BluesKaj, So I provided my hardware, the A8-7600 and the r7-240 graphics card. AMD posted the drivers, but there is a history if issues. I want to know if anyone here installed the AMD GPU drivers for ubuntu 17.04
[15:54] <mbnt> Successfully
[15:54] <mbnt> If not, that is cool. I can look elsewhere.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> lots of users have installed that driver successfully , mbnt
[15:55] <BluesKaj> on 17.04
[15:55] <auronandace> mbnt: just to make you aware 17.04 doesn't have long left for support, have you tried 17.10?
[15:55] <mbnt> I will just sit back and wait for said person to comment then.
[15:55] <mbnt> Don't mind me.  : - )
[15:56]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[15:56] <leftyfb> mbnt: Please do not continue to post the same question repeatedly over your time here if you refuse to accept the help offered to you.
[15:57] <mbnt> leftyfb, I am guessing that someone who did install the AMD GPU Pro drivers would have commented by now
[15:58] <leftyfb> mbnt: again, that's not how this works. Nobody here has installed every driver for every possible piece of hardware for all releases of ubuntu. But there's quite a lot of people willing and able to help you.
[16:00]  * arora agrees completely with leftyfb ^^
[16:00] <mbnt> leftyfb, https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/66v3r8/is_anyone_here_using_ubuntu_1704_with_an_amd_gpu/  It looks like no progress was made in the last few months
[16:01] <leftyfb> mbnt: this isn't reddit
[16:01] <BluesKaj> mbnt, have you actually tried to install the correct driver or  are you afraid due other users issues?
[16:01] <mbnt> BluesKaj, I have tried a few times
[16:02] <mbnt> Hence why I ask here is anyone has installed the AMD GPU drivers on Ubuntu 17.04 and up successfully
[16:02] <BluesKaj> so what were the results , in detail would help, mbnt
[16:02] <mbnt> has anyone, rather
[16:03] <tomreyn> mbnt: so install 16.04, the only ubuntu release officially supported by AMD for amdgpu-pro (as you read on the release notes) and see if it works out. if it doesn't, report a bug to amd.
[16:04] <mbnt> BluesKaj, Sure, I get a message from the drivers that I have successfully installed it and get a blank screen at reboot. That is one variant.
[16:04] <mbnt> Anywho, nobody successfully installed the official GPU here, at this time.
[16:04] <hays> hey guys, setting update-alternatives to python3 seems to break apt. specifically pyclean
[16:04] <davecore> wow
[16:04] <hays> this is on xenial. just letting you know
[16:05] <leftyfb> lol
[16:05] <leftyfb> he didn't actually want help
[16:05] <hays> https://bpaste.net/show/5e344ca485d3
[16:05] <leftyfb> hays: I wouldn't do that
[16:05] <leftyfb> put it back
[16:05] <hays> the fix was to set python back to 2.7 as default
[16:05] <leftyfb> hays: if you want to use python3 by default, then set an alias for python to call python3
[16:06] <hays> ok, still seems like a bug to me
[16:06] <hays> alias is probably most reasonable workaround for me
[16:06] <leftyfb> hays: not exactly. You're telling the entire system to use an interpreter that most of that system wasn't written in
[16:07] <hays> the system presents it as an alternative
[16:10] <JonelethIrenicus> I just added this ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=xenial
[16:11] <JonelethIrenicus> i am not seeing thunderbird-trunk
[16:11] <tomreyn> hays: the system allows you to run "rm -r /" - but that's not a good idea either, don't do it. meaning: not everything you can run or configure is definitely a good idea. i admit that update-alternatives could be misunderstood as allowing you to freely choose between all those options without breaking anything. that's not really so, however.
[16:12] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: which ubuntu release do you run?
[16:12] <JonelethIrenicus> 16.04
[16:12] <tomreyn> did you run "apt update" (or similar=?
[16:12] <JonelethIrenicus> ya
[16:13] <tomreyn> does "apt-cache show" list the PPA?
[16:13] <tomreyn> sorry, does "apt-cache policy" list the PPA?
[16:13] <TJ-> JonelethIrenicus: tomreyn The builds for thunderbird-thrunk failed, there are no binary packages available
[16:13] <hays> tomreyn: its funny you don't see that as a problem. but i'm not really surprised
[16:13] <JonelethIrenicus> oh
[16:14] <TJ-> JonelethIrenicus: use the "Technical details" link to show the status
[16:14] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: good tip
[16:14] <TJ-> Sorry, "Package details"
[16:15] <zzz> what would be the quickest way to find out whether i'm sshing through eth or wifi? both on the client and the server's end
[16:15] <hays> if apt-get has a hard depedency on python2, it should be pointing itself to python2, not system python
[16:15] <davecore> zzz: traceroute the destination IP and see which path it takes?
[16:16] <TJ-> hays: it's caught in the middle of the 2.7 > 3.x transition, we don't want apt hard-coded to use python2.7
[16:16] <BluesKaj> JonelethIrenicus, are you trying a special edgy version? Because thunderbird is available in the repos
[16:16] <leftyfb> zzz: sudo lsof -i :22
[16:17] <hays> TJ-: the side effect of that is pretty severe; pretty bad software engineering imo, but its your decision. thanks for taking the time to discuss it
[16:19] <auronandace> hays: i think you mean that's canonical's decision
[16:23] <TJ-> There's info on the transition and obstacles, which begain for 15.10, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/Python35Transition
[16:30] <TJ-> What a shame mbnt has left :p https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdvlk-radeon-vulkan&num=1
[16:32] <leftyfb> LOL
[16:33] <TJ-> AMD's github for the code: https://github.com/GPUOpen-Drivers
[16:37] <bacteria_> hi4all
[16:38] <davecore> TJ-: that is funny
[16:38] <hwpplayer1> hi people
[16:39] <leftyfb> bacteria_: hi. Still looking for your OSS booking software?
[16:39] <bacteria_> leftyfb: yeap =p
[16:40] <bacteria_> i am founding only 4 specific hotel booking
[16:40] <bacteria_> im *finding*
[16:41] <tomreyn> what kind of booking? artists?
[16:41] <bacteria_> tomreyn: salon
[16:41] <kaddi> heya, I have one more question about the bios issue in 17.10, from what I've read settings can't be stored and USB booting is disabled. But if I have a working OS on the machine, eg recovery partition from Windows, could I boot into Windows and "reset" the BIOS? Or is it messed up for all times and can never be written to again?
[16:44] <tomreyn> bacteria_: i guess it's somewhat OT here and i'm not a huge fan of wordpress, but maybe this fits your needs:  https://wordpress.org/plugins/salon-booking-system/
[16:44] <tomreyn> (GPLv2)
[16:45] <bacteria_> tomreyn: i will check, thanks
[16:45] <bacteria_> =)
[16:49] <TJ-> bacteria_: web-based should give you more options, e.g. https://github.com/timegridio/timegrid
[16:57] <bacteria_> TJ-: eu ate cheguei a tentar esse ai
[16:57] <bacteria_> hahahahaha, sorry
[16:58] <bacteria_> TJ-: I tryed that app, but have no idea how to install and bind to all network .. i will try again another time
[17:22] <DroidLinux93> Help, I'm trying to lauch games in Steam like Stanley Parable, and Undertale and they crashing upon launch.
[17:22] <DroidLinux93> How do i fix this?
[17:25] <tomreyn> DroidLinux93: there's #ubuntu-steam, but you'd actually need to contact the developers if the games dont work on platforms they list as supported (be sure to check that)
[17:26] <Leevancleef> Before you write off the game as broken, check which version of Ubuntu you're running, and what GPU drivers you're using.
[17:27] <DroidLinux93> tomreyn its even having issues with Portal and such.. Valve games that does support linux fully
[17:27] <tomreyn> DroidLinux93: do 3d games utside steam work for you?
[17:29] <DroidLinux93> Yes.
[17:31] <unimatrix9> hi there
[17:31] <tomreyn> DroidLinux93: then that's outside of ubuntu support, i'm afraid
[17:32] <unimatrix9> how can i get snap to show all available packages ?
[17:32] <unimatrix9> snap find shows something but really not much
[17:33] <mirak> hi
[17:33] <mirak> I can't make work MTP on Nexus 9, is thre something special to do ?
[17:40] <Zaliek> mirak, MTP is pretty broken in LOS 14.1 for a lot of people. Try using MTP while in recovery and see if it works there (it should)
[17:43] <tsarompy> mirak: what environment are you using
[17:43] <tsarompy> depending on your file manager you may just need a plugin
[17:57] <Sircle> Can anyone give a feedback on which kind of vps server to buy if I want to install redmine and gitlab on it? How much ram/ cpu and which vendor and vps type?
[18:04] <amirite> my friend wrote a script which has a oneliner that looks like this:
[18:04] <amirite> ls | egrep -vw 'debian|build' | xargs -r -I @ cp -al @ debian/cz-app-stats
[18:05] <amirite> how do I interpret the @ symbol
[18:09] <amirite> how do I interpret the @ symbol in a oneliner that looks like ls | egrep -vw 'debian|build' | xargs -r -I @ cp -al @ debian/cz-app-stats
[18:10] <geirha> it's used as the placeholder string for where in the command to put the word
[18:11] <geirha> It's a bad practice to use xargs for filenames though, at least when not using -0.
[18:15] <geirha> using bash's extended globs (enabled with shopt -s extglob), it could be better written:  cp -al -- !(debian|build) debian/cz-app-stats/
[18:54] <en1gma> i got a couple problems in ubuntu 16.04 x64 Desktop
[18:55] <en1gma> first is in nautilus. where is right click menu "open in terminal"
[18:55] <zasp> they removed it
[18:55] <zasp> you can add it by writing a custom script, but meh!
[18:56] <en1gma> i got to have it back and a guide i just found that tells me to get an app but app isnt in repo
[18:56] <en1gma> how could they take that out? M.S. must have one that patent
[18:56] <zasp> i know how you feel.. in my case, I use MATE
[18:57] <zasp> yeah, I was really irritated about that too
[18:57] <en1gma> i like mate much better but ubuntu desktop i dont have that many hardware/networking problems
[18:57] <oerheks> open in terminal ( as root) is part of nautilus-actions + nautilus-admin
[18:57] <en1gma> ahhh
[18:57] <en1gma> well i want it back
[18:58] <en1gma> :)
[18:58] <en1gma> still quicker then typing complete paths
[18:58] <zasp> does caja work well on ubunut?
[18:58] <oerheks> install it?
[18:58] <en1gma> ok second question and even way more important
[18:58] <en1gma> adb
[18:58] <oerheks> !info caja
[18:58] <en1gma> wth is going on with adb keep an unauthorizing my keys that were authorized
[18:59] <en1gma> windows 10 works perfect. i can authorize with the popup on phone and also revoke and get it to do it again
[18:59] <en1gma> with ubuntu im in a world of crap when it does this
[18:59] <en1gma> im still unauthorized when phone is connected to ubuntu with adb turned on
[18:59] <en1gma> i need in my phone
[19:00] <en1gma> from adb :)
[19:00] <en1gma> dont want to boot to windows.
[19:01] <Zaliek> en1gma & zasp: You can still open a terminal at a location in nautilus. Hold shift and right click on a folder
[19:01] <en1gma> Zaliek ewwww lemme check
[19:01] <zasp> Ah! that's neat Zaliek! I didn't know that
[19:02] <Zaliek> Gnome devs changed a bunch of stuff...
[19:02] <en1gma> you da bomb dude
[19:02] <zasp> yeah.. I guess thats why I went to MATE... i just like the old way better
[19:02] <en1gma> yea me too
[19:03] <en1gma> ill prob go back to mate when i get some time
[19:03] <leftyfb> uh
[19:03] <leftyfb> sudo apt-get install mate-desktop
[19:03] <en1gma> ok help on adb and adb keygen please
[19:03] <Zaliek> I love MATE, except the xp style open window switcher
[19:03] <en1gma> need to get in phone to continue work i was doing when i was authorized
[19:04] <en1gma> why am i al of a sudden unauthorized when i look at 'adb devices'
[19:04] <zasp> Zaleik: you mean the Alt+Tab switcher?
[19:06] <en1gma> brb. rebooting. adb help. just did an 'apt-get purge adb'
[19:06] <zasp> en1gma: I don't know anything about adb, but maybe you need to be root. Have you tried running it with sudo? IDK
[19:07] <Zaliek> zasp, No I mean the list of windows in the bar
[19:07] <Zaliek> I'd prefer windows 7 style switcher
[19:08] <zasp> you can customize it to work like Win 7, that's how I have it right now
[19:08] <Zaliek> How? I never managed to figure that out
[19:09] <zasp> I did it a while back too.. let me see
[19:10] <Zaliek> Since they ditched Unity I currently have no upgrade path
[19:11] <JJBby> How can i change my Caps lock key in the terminal to some thing else? (Cap locks--> ctrl) and can any one thing of a downside to that other than mistakenly hitting it?
[19:11] <Zaliek> Gnome 3 is far too rigid and makes multi tasking infurating
[19:14] <zasp> Zaliek: yeah, I never liked Gnome 3 at all.. I couldn't do Unity either.. I gave them both a fair chance, and went back to the old Gnome feel with MATE... (still trying to remember how I got the taskbar working right lol)
[19:17] <Zaliek> Hmm vlc help channel hasn't been much help. I'm getting this error on apt upgrade. Cannot remove the offending package (vlc) and cannot resolve the dependency due to this error https://pastebin.com/Axjv8Mnj
[19:17] <Zaliek> Can't update my system or install/remove any packages
[19:17] <Zaliek> How do I resolve this?
[19:18] <en1gma> ok still same problem with adb and "unauthorized"
[19:18] <en1gma> like i say. this problem isnt happening in windows
[19:19] <en1gma> im on a 1x connection through a hotspot from phone. i cant even surf to read
[19:19] <Zaliek> en1gma, when does it deauthorize your phone
[19:19] <en1gma> 2 more days and new data comes in
[19:20] <en1gma> its random it seems
[19:20] <Zaliek> In the middle of using it?
[19:20] <en1gma> like i worked on phone through adb for last 2 days straight
[19:20] <Zaliek> Or when you disconnect the phone/restart the os?
[19:20] <en1gma> but right before that i had same problem and i tried so many things to fix it i cant remember how i did it
[19:20] <Zaliek> Because it works for me™
[19:21] <hggdh> Zaliek: if you know what you are doing, you can --force-overwrite
[19:21] <en1gma> mine does it i think when i come back from windows or maybe if i shut ubuntu down and next day start up in ubuntu
[19:22] <Zaliek> I'd troubleshoot and try to figure out how to reproduce it. That will give you a better idea of what's wrong
[19:22] <BluesKaj> Zaliek, try sudo dpkg --configure -a, then sudo apt -f install
[19:22] <en1gma> yea im getting closer to figuring out the trigger
[19:22] <hggdh> Zaliek: you then will be mixing files from two (or more) packages. If it breaks your system, you will have to collect the pieces by yourself
[19:22] <en1gma> havent quite got it yet
[19:23] <en1gma> damn. ok ttyl and i gonna suffer on this 1x hotspot trying to trouble shoot this.
[19:23] <en1gma> i would rather do it here
[19:23] <Zaliek> hggdh, At this point I would like to resolve the issue by removing the package that depends on the broken package (vlc)
[19:23] <en1gma> come on someone got to know adb stuff. maybe if i join #android. brb
[19:23] <Zaliek> erm sorry confusing wording
[19:24] <Zaliek> I want to remove vlc, which depends on that broken package
[19:24] <Zaliek> But I can't because it won't let me remove anything till I resolve the missing dependency
[19:24] <BluesKaj> Zaliek, you have to install cvlc properly first before you can remove it
[19:24] <BluesKaj> vlc
[19:25] <BluesKaj> so run the commands I posted above for starters
[19:25] <en1gma> asking in #android right now. lets see what happens. they usually are "we are software only" channel ppl
[19:28] <Zaliek> BluesKaj, nope still complains about missing dependency
[19:28] <en1gma> just fixed it
[19:29] <en1gma> i think in ubuntu you have to 'sudo killall adb' and not just 'sudo adb kill-server'
[19:29] <en1gma> bye
[19:29] <ioria> Zaliek, it's a VLC Daily Build ?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Zaliek, patebin your errors please
[19:29] <BluesKaj> !paste
[19:30] <Zaliek> Yes it's from the PPA, which apparently I was still using
[19:30] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[19:30] <Zaliek> I just want to purge it from my system
[19:30] <ioria> !info ppa-purge
[19:31] <BluesKaj> ppas are not meant to be permanent. you use them once to upgrade/install sofr=tware then you remove the ppa ASAP to prevent future breakage
[19:31] <BluesKaj> Zaliek,^
[19:32] <Zaliek> again, had no idea I had even left it in my system
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Zaliek, read ioria's suggestion about ppa purge above
[19:33] <ioria> it's risky install a stable ppa , but a daily build is much more risky :þ
[19:33] <Zaliek> I'm working on it
[19:35] <BluesKaj> ppas are inherent causes of instability period
[19:35] <Zaliek> ruh roh
[19:35] <BluesKaj> use them once then remove
[19:36] <Zaliek> So apparently ppa-purge tried to use aptitude to remove the packages
[19:36] <Zaliek> which of course wasn't installed
[19:37] <tsarompy> uh oh
[19:37] <alesan> hello
[19:37] <alesan> the synaptic touchpad on my lenovo thinpad stopped wworking
[19:37] <Zaliek> just ran "sudo apt --fix-broken install" afterwards and that finished cleaning up stuff
[19:37] <alesan> xinput list does not even show it
[19:38] <tsarompy> do people actually like discover and muon ?
[19:38] <tsarompy> >:|
[19:39] <Zaliek> Thanks a bunch BluesKaj and ioria! I got it removed (also the PPA) and now I'm back to a usable package manager
[19:39] <ioria> Zaliek, very good, mate
[19:40] <Zaliek> I can't even remember why I added that PPA in the first place
[19:40] <Zaliek> since I used a snap to install the latest version of vlc
[19:40] <ioria> Zaliek, if you're using zesty, keep in mind that is going to die next month
[19:40] <Zaliek> Aye I'm aware.. still trying to find something that's not gnome3 to migrate to
[19:41] <ioria> Zaliek, budgie
[19:41] <vimart> tsarompy: I used to use muon for a while some time ago on slack
[19:41] <Zaliek> I could never get it to boot in virtualbox
[19:41] <vimart> orRH
[19:42] <Zaliek> It would get to to the login screen then kernel panic
[19:42] <zasp> Zaliek: jump to MATE mate!
[19:43] <Zaliek> I wish ubuntu wouldn't have caved to the unity trolls but oh well
[19:44] <Zaliek> I know there was other reasons for the switch too
[19:44] <zasp> ioria: this is the first time I am hearing about budgie... it looks nice.
[19:44] <zasp> Zaliek: you might like budgie since you liked unity
[19:45] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10. Since upgrading from 17.04, my VLC player often crashes my system when viewing a video. I use nVidia propriatary drivers as supplied through Ubuntu restricted hardware.
[19:45] <Zaliek> I thought it looked nice too. But I couldn't run it in a VM so I didn't bother
[19:45] <Nitrigaur> System becomes totally unresponsive, even my mouse cursor is frozen. SSH from outside does not respond either.
[19:47] <Zaliek> sounds like what killed my gaming install of ubuntu
[19:47] <arooni> is there an ebook reader for ubuntu that lets me highlight text and make annotations?
[19:47] <Zaliek> proprietary drivers were totally borked when using disk encryption
[19:48] <Nitrigaur> arooni, not that I know of. Sorry.
[19:49] <Nitrigaur> arooni, if it's an ePub, you might edit it using Sigil (provided it's not DRM'ed)
[19:50] <Sircle> I see "InRelease" when I do apt update. Whats wronge?
[19:51] <ioria> !info budgie-desktop | zasp
[19:52] <cobadger> The startup disk I created using Startup Disk Creator shows up in the Boot section of the BIOS as "<null string>" and the system does not boot from it. Have wiped the thumb drive, formatted FAT32 and re-created the startup disk several times, both via startup disk creator app and in the command line. What should I do differently?
[19:52] <zomaar> Something on my system has caused /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d to be created with "exit 101", what could it be?
[19:52] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, were you addressing me when you mentioned "what killed my gaming install of ubuntu"?
[19:53] <Zaliek> I was referring to the problems you were having yes
[19:53] <zomaar> Something on my system has caused /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d to be created with "exit 101", what could it be?
[19:53] <Nitrigaur> zomaar, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[19:53] <Sircle> I see "InRelease" when I do apt update. Whats wronge?
[19:53] <Zaliek> I just gave up, the proprietary drivers were completely broken if I used disk encryption
[19:53] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, how did you fix the issues you were running into?
[19:53] <Zaliek> In case you're using that, might be the cause
[19:54] <Zaliek> CPU usage would go through the roof, it would take ages to login, mouse would jump around etc
[19:54] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, ah, so a re-install from scratch...Hmm, not looking forward to that, since the disk partitioning is quite complex on my machine, using both LVM and RAID1.
[19:55] <Zaliek> Worked perfectly fine without disk encryption
[19:55] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, yes my Xorg CPU would also go 100%
[19:55] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, yes I don't use disk encryption.
[19:55] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, yet I don't use disk encryption.
[19:55] <Zaliek> Different problem then
[19:56] <zomaar> Nitrigaur: 16.04
[19:56] <Zaliek> But in general the proprietary drivers for nvidia are a steaming pile of bugs
[19:56] <zomaar> Nitrigaur: According to Debian policy the file should be managed by update-alternatives
[19:56] <zomaar> but it is just a file and doesn't belong to any package
[19:57] <zomaar> could it be that the installer left it behind?......
[19:57] <Nitrigaur> zomaar, did you check that with apt?
[19:57] <zomaar> dpkg -S
[19:58] <zomaar> Nitrigaur: Do you run a 16.04 and do you have that file?
[19:59] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, aye, but Nouveau is even less stable in my experience and I do some gaming now and then.
[19:59] <Zaliek> I had to go back to windows for my gaming computer
[19:59] <Zaliek> Was unfixable
[20:00] <Nitrigaur> zomaar, no, I run 17.10 right now, because I needed up-to-date application software. The way it's behaving feels like I'm running a beta or a release candidate and not a proper release.
[20:00] <Seldon> hi to all! Help needed here :-) Reading a guide for compiling the firmware for my wlan card, with the "make install" command I had a classic: "make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.14.8-041408-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop." error. My problem is that I actually have installed the linux headers, but there is no build file inside the dir /lib/modules/4.14.8-041408-generic
[20:00] <Zaliek> Even a clean install was still broken, heck even a live cd broke the second I installed the proprietary drivers
[20:00] <Seldon> I installed this kernel from the mainline
[20:00] <ioria> Zaliek, because of  encryption, you mean ?
[20:01] <Zaliek> It was back when 16.10 was new.. so a bit fuzzy
[20:01] <Zaliek> talking about it now I think it was unbootable with encryption, and unusably slow without it
[20:02] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, I see... did you notice any strange lines in dmesg and/ or the audit log?
[20:02] <ioria> Zaliek, nvidia+   encryption might require to run sudo update-initramfs -u
[20:02] <Zaliek> The problem with not booting was that the screen where you enter your password stopped accepting input
[20:03] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, even on the CLI-console?
[20:03] <Zaliek> It switched from the old terminal style to the fancy input box like when running on intel
[20:03] <zomaar> Nitrigaur: Ah, yeah I expected as much from 17.10
[20:04] <Zaliek> So I did a test install on another disk without encryption, and it was super laggy getting something like 1 frame every 3 seconds
[20:05] <Zaliek> At the time I thought something was wrong with my GPU
[20:05] <Zaliek> So I bought a new one
[20:05] <Zaliek> And that was broken too
[20:05] <ioria> Zaliek, what card and what driver ?
[20:06] <zomaar> Nitrigaur: policy-rc.d is clearly present during bootstrap (system installation)
[20:06] <Zaliek> Well no sense troubleshooting it now. That install was overwritten a while ago
[20:06] <ioria> i see
[20:06] <zomaar> Or image creation, I don't know
[20:06] <Zaliek> More like, Nitrigaur, I had similar problems
[20:06] <Nitrigaur> Zaliek, I also feared that something might be wrong with my GPU, but it does not crash while running i3, so I expect it is somehow linked to Gnome.
[20:06] <zomaar> Is there anyone here with a normal Ubuntu 16.04 install here who can check their /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d file for me?
[20:07] <ioria> Nitrigaur, 3D acceleration, probably
[20:07] <Zaliek> My problems started with a kernel update
[20:08] <Zaliek> And for a while I could still use it with the old kernel, till ubuntu helpfully removed it one day
[20:08] <Nitrigaur> ioria, do you have any suggestions for a work around that you know of?
[20:08] <ioria> Nitrigaur, sy, about what ?
[20:09] <Nitrigaur> ioria, about the crashes I experience when playing video, during which Xorg maxes out at 100% CPU (all 6 cores).
[20:10] <zomaar> Nitrigaur: That Nouveau or nVidia?
[20:10] <ioria> Nitrigaur, what ubuntu version and kernel ?
[20:10] <Nitrigaur> zomaar, nVidia
[20:10] <zomaar> Oh
[20:10] <Nitrigaur> ioria, 17.10, 4.13.0-21-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP
[20:10] <zomaar> For me Nouveau just crashes everything (Kaffeine, Xine, VLC) due to VDPAU loveliness
[20:11] <ioria> Nitrigaur, what card and driver (if any) ?
[20:11] <silvian> hai world!
[20:13] <Nitrigaur> ioria, Geforce 1080 , nvidia_modeset,nvidia_uvm, nvidia_drm,drm_kms_helper | nvidia driver version 384.90
[20:15] <ioria> Nitrigaur, what kind of video crashes ? in browser in video player ?
[20:15] <Nitrigaur> ioria, in video player (not in browser) HW-ID: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 6GB] (rev a1)
[20:16] <ioria> Nitrigaur, what video player ?
[20:16] <Nitrigaur> ioria, VLC mainly, but also affects SMPlayer
[20:16] <ioria> Nitrigaur, have yu tried mpv ?
[20:17] <Nitrigaur> ioria, no, never heard of it. Is that a cmd-line video player perhaps?
[20:17] <ioria> !info mpv-gnome
[20:17] <ioria> !info mpv
[20:18] <Nitrigaur> ioria, nice bot as always ^
[20:18] <ioria> yeah
[20:18] <ioria> !info gnome-mpv
[20:20] <Nitrigaur> ioria, checking, if I fail to respond within 5 minutes, you know what happened ;-)
[20:21] <ioria> Nitrigaur, ok :P
[20:21] <Nitrigaur> ioria, player works flawlessly and is lightning quick to boot. Now for full screen...
[20:22] <Acheron-a> where can we talk about 18.04?
[20:23] <ikonia> #ubuntu+1
[20:23] <zasp> guys, have you heard of ubuntu-mini-remix? the stripped down ubuntu iso that used to be distributed a while back?
[20:23] <Acheron-a> thanks
[20:24] <ikonia> zasp: was that an official release ?
[20:24] <Nitrigaur> ioria, I'm still here, no crashes. Let me check top in tandem with playback...
[20:24] <ikonia> I don't remember mini-remix as an official release
[20:24] <ioria> Nitrigaur, oky
[20:24] <zasp> ikonia: not official, it was just some small team who stripped down ubuntu to it's bare bones (about 300 MB I think)
[20:25] <zasp> what I want to do is replicate what they did, basically
[20:25] <ikonia> zasp: ok ?
[20:26] <zasp> yeah.. so my question is... instead of starting with the ISO and stripping down, can't I start fresh and make my own live CD with only the core?
[20:26] <zasp> whats the best approach to doing that?
[20:26] <ikonia> zasp: you can do what you want
[20:26] <ikonia> it's up to you how you manage your spin
[20:26] <zasp> yeah.. :P i was still typing my question
[20:27] <Nitrigaur> ioria, Xorg stays nice and frosty at max. 5%, so whatever causes the issue here is common to both VLC and SMPlayer, but not mpv, which is odd, since from the description it seems that mpv is just another frontend to MPlayer...
[20:28] <ioria> Nitrigaur, yes, something like that, but it's a great project (if you ask me)
[20:28] <Nitrigaur> ioria, mpv you mean? Or figuring out what caused the crashes?
[20:29] <ioria> Nitrigaur, mpv :)
[20:29] <BluesKaj> Nitrigaur, I can testify that mpv is the best player I have used in a long time and vlc barely holds 2nd place
[20:30] <Nitrigaur> ioria, the interface is as bare as they get, looks almost like pure X without any framework on top of it (like QT, Gnome and such)
[20:30] <ioria> Nitrigaur, right
[20:30] <ioria> Nitrigaur, wayland fault
[20:31] <Nitrigaur> ioria, not so, I'm running Xorg'ed Gnome right now.
[20:31] <ioria> Nitrigaur, oh, yes .... sy
[20:32] <Nitrigaur> ioria, no way for you to know, no need to apologise :-)
[20:32] <Nitrigaur> ioria, this player looks perfect for my i3 sessions :-D
[20:33] <ioria> Nitrigaur, ok, always appreciated i3 users :)
[20:33] <Nitrigaur> ioria, Love that no-nonsense wm to bits :)
[20:34] <ioria> Nitrigaur, yup
[20:34] <Nitrigaur> ioria, I felt right at home with the commands used, since they are based on my favourite cli-editor: vim....
[20:35] <silvian> long live vim :D
[20:35] <ioria> Nitrigaur, never had the heart to use it on daily basis
[20:36] <Nitrigaur> ioria, I learned to use (and love it) while I had to set up a permanent monitor for Nagios and Cacti on an obsolete lappy. i3 was the perfect match for that.
[20:37] <ioria> i see
[20:38] <Nitrigaur> The laptop forces our department to pay attention to it's 80 dB siren whenever a service goes critical. Very handy >:-)
[20:39] <bacteria_> tomreyn: nice tip
[21:03] <arktvrvs> trying to build wine. wants x 32-bit devel files. which package are those in?
[21:03] <ikonia> why are you building wine
[21:03] <ikonia> it's in the repos
[21:03] <ikonia> and there are PPA's that are reasonably well supported
[21:04] <arktvrvs> because an updated winetricks doesnt like 1.6.2, wants 2.x
[21:04] <arktvrvs> the winetricks in 16.04 repos keeps whining about sha1sum mismatches
[21:04] <ikonia> right, so look at the PPA's
[21:04] <ikonia> and 16.04 winetricks is complaining about sha1sum missmatches it means it's not got the right checksum
[21:05] <ikonia> so either that repo is out of date or you are not downloading to disk the same package as the repo
[21:05] <arktvrvs> first google result for "ubuntu wine ppa" is "THIS REPO IS DEPRECATED"
[21:05] <ikonia> I'd address those issues
[21:05] <ikonia> arktvrvs: well done on not even reading the data
[21:05] <ikonia> it's been moved to a new repo - that is listed on that first hit
[21:05] <arktvrvs> *i'm*  not downloading anything, winetricks is
[21:06] <arktvrvs> or it used to (?)
[21:06] <ikonia> based on your inability to read more than 1 sentence of a page, I'm going to leave you to it
[21:06] <oerheks> maybe the mirror was just in sync, but sum mismatches sounds not like a dependencie problem.
[21:06] <arktvrvs> lol
[21:06] <arktvrvs> thats fine
[21:07] <texla> How do I find /path/to/Thunderbird for desktop icon
[21:07] <arktvrvs> anyway, i never said it was a dependency problem.  winetrick is pretty easy to install and use.  also dpkg has been barfing a lot lately
[21:07] <ikonia> texla: it's normally /usr/bin
[21:07] <arktvrvs> so i figured hell ill just build and install to my home folder
[21:07] <ikonia> dpkg won't barf unless you've put poor packages on your system or you're unable to mange the system
[21:07] <ikonia> (which also counts as putting poor packages on the system too)
[21:08] <oerheks> i love linux errormessages, they always give a clue..
[21:08] <arktvrvs> ive only used dotnet and obs-studio repos, everything else is stock
[21:08] <texla> ikonia, /usr/bin/Thunderbird: No such file or directory
[21:08] <ikonia> texla: which thunderbird
[21:08] <ikonia> texla: (lowercase T)
[21:09] <arktvrvs> yea i seem to remember that nick
[21:09] <arktvrvs> s/that//
[21:09] <texla> ikonia, thanks small t worked
[21:11] <Sterist> anyone know of a GUI program that can bleach free space without having to do the entire partition
[21:13] <Dagronmaster> nautilus-wipe?
[21:14] <Sterist> is that included with nautilus by default or add-on?
[21:16] <zomaar> arktvrvs: I think no one has answered your question yet?
[21:17] <zomaar> arktvrvs: In general i386 package are installed by affixing :i386
[21:17] <arktvrvs> i got an unfriendly response, but thats better than what i usually get here.
[21:17] <arktvrvs> anyway, trying to ppa thing
[21:17] <ikonia> no you didn't
[21:17] <arktvrvs> you arent part of this convo :)
[21:18] <ikonia> you got help - then got shirty quoting "the first google search" as if I was dumb/lazy
[21:18] <zomaar> arktvrvs: The only exception that I know of is libc6-i386, which is installed by nvidia driver
[21:18] <ikonia> when it turns out you hadn't even read the first google search
[21:18] <ikonia> so I refused to help any more - thats not "rude" thats' backing away
[21:18] <arktvrvs> ikonia, i imagine you get that a lot.  as a former irc helper i know what this duty can do.
[21:19] <ikonia> you get what a lot ?
[21:19] <arktvrvs> at anyrate, im putting the build on hold and trying ppa as per your recommendation
[21:19] <arktvrvs> a lot of "as if i was dumb/lazy"
[21:19] <zomaar> arktvrvs: So most normal development packages would just be e.g. libc6-dev:i386
[21:19] <ikonia> arktvrvs: then don't do it
[21:19] <arktvrvs> if i came off that way i apologize.
[21:20] <ikonia> no problem, appreciated
[21:20] <arktvrvs> :)
[21:20] <arktvrvs> anywho, i have had some odd troubles with dpkg/apt/one particular incident w/ synaptic
[21:21] <arktvrvs> so im a little upset about things atm.  the patience, it wears thin at times
[21:21] <zomaar> arktvrvs: also I assume you have done build-dep but I am not sure what that would do.
[21:22] <zomaar> arktvrvs: Also there is wine-devel (wine32-devel, wine64-devel) which contains a much newer version
[21:23] <zomaar> arktvrvs: and then there is playonlinux which installs custom wine versions on request
[21:23] <arktvrvs> i have never actually used PoL, but i'll add that to the list of options
[21:24] <zomaar> wine32-development/xenial-updates,now 1.9.6-1ubuntu1 i386
[21:24] <zomaar> not 2.0 yet
[21:26] <arktvrvs> right, my issue stems from winetricks specifically though.  and the version i had apparently didnt implement --self-update as i read
[21:27] <zomaar> Don't even know what winetricks is :).
[21:27] <zomaar> I think pol installed it by default or something.
[21:28] <zomaar> I had Guild Wars 2 installed using both a 64 and 32-bit prefix, was a bit hard with symlinks and all.
[21:29] <zomaar> Game didn't run very well but at least the 32-bit version started up.
[21:30] <arktvrvs> winetricks basically helps set up/manage prefixes.. or is supposed to.
[21:30] <arktvrvs> also installs various softwares
[21:30] <zomaar> People were dumbfounded for a while with not being able to run 32-bit binaries on Linux anymore but I guess libc6-i386 solved that now.
[21:30] <zomaar> Oh okay.
[21:43] <energizer> In 17.10 how do I get a keyboard shortcut for "Snap window to left edge"?
[21:47] <Dagronmaster> Sterist:  it's a separate package
[21:48] <Sterist> I see that now, trying to figure out how to use it. installed and rebooted but there's no new options available in settings or context menus
[21:51] <Sterist> I see that bleachbit is available from synaptic and actually has a GUI and I'm pleased with that. however the app appears a bit esoteric
[21:51] <oerheks> maybe gnome-tweak-tool is any help
[21:51] <oerheks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[21:53] <Sterist> has anyone actually used bleachbit before? or know a channel I might find someone in who has
[21:55] <energizer> is there a tool that'll prettyprint nested list/dict but shorten stuff with ... so it fits in my repl for easy reading
[21:55] <energizer> oops wrong channel
[21:56] <energizer> oerheks: was that for me?
[21:57] <oerheks> energizer, yes, i believe it is stored there, though i am still on unity 17.04
[22:17] <arooni> anyway to make highlighting *slower* on wps writer?  is that a os feature or an app feature?
[22:17] <arooni> when i highlight across multiple pages it goes way too fast
[22:25] <matyy> hey, creating a raid5 with mdadm with 3x4TB disks. First time ever creating a raid5, how long should it take? It estimates 7h, is that normal?
[22:52] <Dagronmaster> matyy: you can try raising dev.raid.speed_limit_min/max, but a big array is going to take time
[22:56] <matyy> ok, thx Dagronmaster. I have time. I just feared it might be a problem.
[22:56] <Dagronmaster> Take a look at dmesg.   It's possible you have a cable problem or something.
[22:56] <Dagronmaster> But if you're not seeing errors, then it's just a big, slow array
[23:00] <matyy> thx. looks good. Well all the hardware is completely new so I hope so ^^
[23:00] <matyy> Than I just let it run over night, thanks & good night :)
[23:25] <hans__> can i just swhoa
[23:25] <hans__> i lost an important paste id
[23:26] <hans__> so i wrote a sipder to scan for it
[23:26] <hans__> and it actually worked!
[23:26] <hans__> i expected the spider would get ip banned for flooding soon enough
[23:26] <hans__> but it didnt
[23:32] <zomaar> cool