[00:14] <foormea> hi. having an issue with luks on soft raid to be opened automatically via crypttab and a keyfile. the keyfile is stored in my ~ on a luks-ed lvm (standard encrypted lvm install). i'm pretty sure i've managed to do that before but i can't get it to work now. any idea?
[00:37] <kaddi> hi i'm trying to install ubuntu but when i launch the flash drive it says kernel panic and that it couldn't find a partition to mount the OS too.. does that mean the flash drive is screwy?
[00:55] <arktvrvs> either flash drive is screwy or you burned the image wrongly
[01:00] <tubal> Hello. Gnome-related question, I hope it's welcome here. I have an extension installed and enabled, and I would like to disable it. But I can't find any reference to it: it's not in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions nor mentioned either in Tweaks or the web interface. I know I installed and enabled it. Any ideas about what gives here?
[01:00] <tubal> Also not in /usr/share/...
[01:19] <tubal> Weird. I can't even find the extension on extensions.gnome.org. I wonder if it's been withdrawn, and whether that might be the cause of this.
[01:25] <sazawal> Is there a way to get a window position with xdotool, if I know the PID?
[01:29] <arktvrvs> i think xwininfo can do that
[01:30] <arktvrvs> wait nm.. maybe not by pid
[01:31] <sazawal> arktvrvs, Yes xwininfo can do that for the active window. But what if the window is not active?
[01:33] <arktvrvs> apparently you can supply window id or name.
[01:33] <sazawal> arktvrvs, I tried this, xwininfo -id $(xdotool getactivewindow) and it works for me.
[01:33] <ohnx> hi! I updated to Artful the other day, and now when I boot ubuntu, I get a fuzzy purple screen. I can press CTRL-Alt-F2 to enter a terminal, but I can't seem to run `apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop`; I'm told that the reinstallation is not possible since the package can't be downloaded...
[01:33] <ohnx> does anyone have any idea what might be causing this problem?
[01:34] <arktvrvs> cool
[01:34] <arktvrvs> manpage says xdotool accepts --pid
[01:35] <sazawal> arktvrvs, Sorry but it didnt solve the problem, because it only works for the active window.
[01:36] <sazawal> arktvrvs, Yes, also I dont understand what is the utility of xdotool -search --pid $PID. I dont get any output when I use it on the terminal.
[01:41] <arktvrvs> xdotool search --pid <pid> appears to give a list of window ids.  putting one of these ids into xwininfo -id works as it should, for me
[01:44] <sazawal> arktvrvs, Oh right, I just checked it on a different application and it gave me a list. Now, I am thinking why I cannot see Imagemagick in System Monitor. So, it only works for the processes which I can see on System Monitor?
[01:44] <arktvrvs> That I have no idea about
[01:44] <sazawal> I launched Imagemagick from terminal, with "display xyz.jpg" and got the PID of this process.
[01:45] <sazawal> Alrighty
[02:25] <Zamerick> is there a way to replace the need for a sudo password with a hardware auth key like a yubikey or similar?
[02:28] <codepython777> what is a good 32GB RAM laptop to buy for ubuntu ? I was looking at the dell 5520 - any other suggestions?
[02:40] <HyperHorse> hello??
[02:46] <aifightlord> hello?
[02:46] <HyperHorse> great job people
[02:46] <HyperHorse> people come and then they leave
[02:47] <HyperHorse> hello
[02:47] <HyperHorse> ???
[02:47]  * HyperHorse pokes EldonMcGuinness
[02:47] <EldonMcGuinness> Hey ya
[02:47] <HyperHorse> u any good with linux?
[02:47] <EldonMcGuinness> I wish Papirus had an Android theme :D
[02:47] <EldonMcGuinness> I do my best, what ya need?
[02:48] <HyperHorse> couldnt get Ubuntu to install
[02:48] <HyperHorse> the install page, scrub shows up... some linux  wackos on discord tell me to add something to the parameters to get around what they thought were GPU issues
[02:49] <HyperHorse> but nothing happens, just a blank screen for hours
[02:49] <HyperHorse> i went to sleep after i let it do it's thing
[02:49] <EldonMcGuinness> ok, so you were able to complete the install or this is what you see when you boot it with the disc?
[02:49] <HyperHorse> no, i wasnt
[02:49] <HyperHorse> which is why i'm here now
[02:49] <HyperHorse> before i try installing Mint
[02:51] <EldonMcGuinness> Got ya, but where do you get the black screen, when you boot the cd/usb drive, during the install itself, or after it looks like it has completed?
[02:52] <HyperHorse> during the install
[02:52] <EldonMcGuinness> What kind of hardware are you trying to install this on?
[02:52] <HyperHorse> amd fx 8320
[02:52] <HyperHorse> 8gig ram
[02:52] <HyperHorse> amd r7 260x
[02:53] <EldonMcGuinness> nice box, have you tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/857275/black-screen-during-installation
[02:54] <HyperHorse> hold on
[02:55] <HyperHorse> i think the nomodeset is what they told me to type into the install parameters
[02:55] <HyperHorse> but i'm going to write ubuntu   onto a seperate dvd
[02:56] <HyperHorse> greetings
[02:57] <mascaqui> Anyone familiar with virtualbox
[02:57] <HyperHorse> is it a boot manager?
[02:58] <EldonMcGuinness> use it a lot mascaqui, what's up
[02:58] <EldonMcGuinness> Yea that will likely help ya HyperHorse. I would go with a usb bootable media if possible.
[02:58] <mascaqui> I am having trouble configuring distros
[02:58] <EldonMcGuinness> How so?
[02:58] <HyperHorse> no, i am not using a usb drive
[02:58] <HyperHorse> since windows already screwed up the one i use everyday
[02:59] <mascaqui> The Hardware acceleration is enabled in bios but tab is disabled on the program
[02:59] <EldonMcGuinness> ahh ok
[02:59] <mascaqui> Let me tell you my build
[03:00] <EldonMcGuinness> mascaqui: We are talking about under display?
[03:00] <mascaqui> Old Mobo 775 or socket t processor ... Did the upgrade to the bios so it would take a Xeon 771
[03:00] <mascaqui> 8gb ram
[03:01] <mascaqui> Xeon were supposed to have these technologies... I checked and double checked
[03:01] <mascaqui> Now I'm stuck thinking it's an old graphics card issue
[03:01] <mascaqui> But I'm told hyper V and hardware acceleration is could related
[03:01] <mascaqui> Cpu
[03:14] <normster_> I'm having some trouble with internet access on my 16.04 installation, is this the right place to ask for help?
[03:18] <bcowan> most people come here for the quiche
[03:20] <rypervenche> normster_: Sure. What seems to be the issue?
[03:22] <wikiemol> #join metasploit
[04:13] <tubal> Hello. Gnome-related question, I hope it's welcome here. I have an extension installed and enabled, and I would like to disable it. But I can't find any reference to it: it's not in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions nor mentioned either in Tweaks or the web interface. I know I installed and enabled it. Any ideas about what gives here? Also not in /usr/share/...
[04:23] <tubal> Since no one has bitten this yet, I'll throw the broader issue out there. The gnome-shell memory leak. Bad. Pushes Gnome in the direction of unusable. Running 3.26 on U17.10. A lot of fingers point to the extensions system, or to particular ones. That's why I'm trying to disable the one I mentioned above.
[04:24] <oerheks> tubal, care to mention what gnome extention exactly?
[04:25] <tubal> oerheks: I'd like to, but I now have no way to know its name. But, it's a Intel CPU pstate throttle.
[04:26] <tubal> gnome-shell currently commanding >20% of my memory, having started the session three hours  ago at <4%.
[04:27] <zerothis> Why should I be using xwiimote? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26236492/
[04:27] <oerheks> so that memory leak could be from an unknown extention, or the newer gnome-shell, not supported by us ( yet) ?
[04:28] <tubal> Not supported? It's the one I installed from the official image.
[04:28] <oerheks> oh wait, artfull got 3.26 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell
[04:28] <tubal> Yeah. :)
[04:31] <oerheks> on wayland?
[04:31] <tubal> oerheks: Yeah.
[04:35] <tubal> oerheks: Trying right now  to get at it via gsettings.
[04:39] <tubal> oerheks: It doesn't seem to have anything to say about extensions. I'm surprised.
[05:29] <linocisco> hi all
[05:29] <linocisco> I have clamAV related question.
[05:29] <tcpdump> hey linocisco
[05:29] <linocisco> tcpdump, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26236762/
[05:30] <linocisco> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26236762/
[05:30] <linocisco> Can anybody suggest me what is wrong?
[05:43] <tubal> linocisco: What about that about don't you like?
[05:43] <tubal> that output*
[05:43] <linocisco> tubal, why this "insserv: warning: script 'ccpd' missing LSB tags and overrides" and how to fix it?
[05:50] <linocisco> tubal, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26236821/
[05:52] <tubal> linocisco: A permissions problem on that file?
[05:53] <linocisco> tubal, dont know
[05:53] <tubal> ls -l /etc/clamav/clamd.conf
[05:53] <lordcirth> linocisco, #clamav channel apparently exists
[05:54] <tubal> Or that.
[05:54] <linocisco> lordcirth, they zip mouth
[05:54] <linocisco> lordcirth, ever
[05:57] <leonardo98> Hi, I cannot use bluetooth in my machine it gives this error
[05:57] <leonardo98> RFCOMM server failed for Headset Voice gateway: rfcomm_bind: Address already in use (98)
[05:58] <leonardo98> Current Time Service could not be registered
[05:58] <leonardo98>  gatt-time-server: Input/output error (5)
[05:58] <leonardo98> Not enough free handles to register service
[05:58] <leonardo98> please help !!
[06:01] <tubal> linocisco: Try a web search on those troublesome lines.
[06:02] <linocisco> tubal, ok
[06:15] <gartral> ok all... got a recursive dependency in 17.04 server... nodejs-dev wants libssl1.0-dev which wants libssl-dev which replaces libssl1.0-dev... how do I fix this?!
[06:16] <c0mrade> Can someone compile https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/41458/ and send the file to me?
[06:20] <Flannel> gartral: I don't see libssl-dev having a problem.  What output did you get?
[06:21] <Flannel> gartral: I see libssl1.0-dev depending on libssl-dev depending on libssl1.0.0
[06:21] <leonardo98> I cannot use bluetooth in my machine, I get this error " RFCOMM server failed for Headset Voice gateway: rfcomm_bind: Address already in use (98) "
[06:21] <gartral> Flannel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26236912/
[06:21] <leonardo98> please can someone help me out?
[06:22] <Flannel> gartral: If you try to install libss1.0-dev, what's the output?
[06:22] <Flannel> gartral: (and if that's just as trivial, recurse one more time, and include both in the paste, etc)
[06:23] <Flannel> gartral: Eventually, we'll get an error message that's useful!
[06:23] <gartral> Flannel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26236917/
[06:24] <gartral> Flannel: sorry, didn't see your previous message
[06:24] <gartral> Flannel: libssl-dev installs clean on it's own
[06:25] <Flannel> gartral: Ok, now try libssl1.0-dev after installing libssl-dev
[06:25] <grumpkin> @leonardo98, Paste the output from "sudo lsof | grep rfcomm" as described in /topic
[06:25] <Flannel> gartral: It sounds like you've got some other package issues unrelated to this particular one, and that's what's causing problems.
[06:25] <gartral> Flannel: well... this made my head hurt MORE http://paste.ubuntu.com/26236925/
[06:26] <grumpkin> @leonardo98, that is, paste it at http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[06:26] <gartral> Flannel: that's literally impossible, this is a fresh install from iso as a xen HVM guest
[06:26] <Flannel> gartral: Knowing nothing about that PPA, I imagine those packages have problems.
[06:27] <gartral> there... shouldn't be... a ppa
[06:27] <Flannel> gartral: Well, PPAs are sometimes misconfigured/broken with updates.
[06:27] <Flannel> gartral: Right there it's trying to get libssl-dev from http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu
[06:27] <gartral> what the...
[06:27] <gartral> erm
[06:28] <Flannel> gartral: Glad to help ;)  You should be fine once you get rid of the PPAs and their packages.
[06:28] <gartral> ok, there's no PPA in /etc/apt/sources.... what in heck's name is ging on here
[06:28] <Flannel> gartral: Is it in /etc/apt.d/?
[06:29] <dax> /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[06:29] <Flannel> gartral: er sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[06:29] <gartral> Flannel: yes
[06:29] <Flannel> gartral: Anything in there is automagically included in your sources.list
[06:29] <gartral> how do I find out what packages were installed from the ppa?
[06:30] <Flannel> dax: Do you know what the current fancy way of doing that is?
[06:30] <gartral> right, makes more sense now, I was screwing around trying to get nginx working
[06:31] <Flannel> gartral: I believe the "correct" way is via ppa-purge
[06:31] <Flannel> gartral: Which is a package you'll need to install
[06:31] <dax> (no idea, i don't go out of official repos much)
[06:31] <gartral> let's hope THAT'S not broken XD
[06:32] <Flannel> gartral: It depends on dpkg and only dpkg, so... I think you'll be OK
[06:33] <Flannel> gartral: I *believe* the use of that is `ppa-purge ppa:ondrej/php`  but "ondrej/php" might be wrong.  I also don't use PPAs much/ever.
[06:36] <leonardo98> can someone help me out with this error regarding bluetooth - https://paste.ubuntu.com/26236948/
[06:36] <gartral> Flannel: thank you, let's hope it works
[06:36] <grumpkin> leonardo98, Paste the output from "sudo lsof | grep rfcomm"
[06:37] <Flannel> gartral: after you remove the PPA, don't forget to apt-get update
[06:38] <gartral> Flannel: I know :)
[06:38] <leonardo98> grumpkin : here is the output - https://paste.ubuntu.com/26236967/
[06:39] <Flannel> gartral: It's an easy thing to forget and more than once have I searched for many minutes after editing sources.list before I realised why my changes weren't working.
[06:40] <grumpkin> leonardo98: was trying to see if there is another process using the port already
[06:40] <gartral> Flannel: that worked valiently
[06:41] <Flannel> gartral: Glad to hear.
[06:50] <leonardo98> grumpkin: which port, i mean port number
[06:53] <leonardo98> grumpkin: how do i need to do that?
[06:53] <grumpkin> leonardo98: Dunno, 98 maybe? Looks to me like krfcommd and bluetoothd are contending for the same port.
[06:54] <grumpkin> ...and bluetoothd is losing. But no idea how to fix that. And I could be totally wrong. It's happened before.
[06:59] <grumpkin> I googled the error message you're getting. You're not the only one seeing it. Behold, with a bit of research: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/failed-to-obtain-handles-for-service-changed-characteristic-in-bluetooth-unable-to-pair-devices/11046
[07:08] <leonardo98> grumpkin: thanks for your consideration
[07:09] <leonardo98> grumpkin: seems you're correct
[07:11] <grumpkin> leonardo98: Nice. Glad it worked out for you.
[07:30] <markguy9> Hello. Anyone out there who can help me with Bluetooth drivers on Ubuntu. Been using this OS for 7 years and I'm about to throw it out cause I have been struggling with the stupid bluetooth drivers for months. Pleeease
[07:31] <alkisg> Good morning all
[07:32] <piercedwater> good morning
[07:41] <bunnypuncher> markguy9 what is issue are you having?
[07:44] <markguy9> I connect my bluetooth headset and then then if I don't listen to music consistently, when I try play music again it is very laggy, if I try disconnect and reconnect it doesn't reconnect.
[07:45] <bunnypuncher> have you tried reloading the kernel module?
[07:46] <markguy9> reloading the kernal
[07:46] <markguy9> is that like a reformat?
[07:46] <markguy9> haha
[07:46] <bunnypuncher> no like reloading the driver
[07:46] <bunnypuncher> Do you get any errors in the logs?
[07:46] <markguy9> I don't know which logs to look at
[07:47] <bunnypuncher> you can look at the output of this command:    dmesg
[07:47] <bunnypuncher> shortly after the problem happens
[07:48] <bunnypuncher> also look in /var/log  directory and see if any of those files have errors
[07:48] <markguy9> These are my bluetooth packages I have purged and reinstalled all of them. blueman,bluetooth,bluez,bluez-obexd,gnome-bluetooth,indicator-bluetooth,libbluetooth3:amd64,libgnome-bluetooth13:amd64,pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
[07:49] <bunnypuncher> the kernel keeps the state of a device and it seems the state of the usb headphones gets out of whack
[07:49] <markguy9> They're bluetooth headphones..
[07:50] <bunnypuncher> right but to the kernel it is a usb device
[07:50] <markguy9> Ah
[07:50] <bunnypuncher> with an address and connection path yada yada
[07:50] <markguy9> can I restart that?
[07:50] <bunnypuncher> yes indeed you can
[07:50] <markguy9> Fair enough
[07:50] <bunnypuncher> that would be the first thing to try
[07:50] <phill> Hey guys. I want to setup python 3.5 in a venv on Artful how do I get python 3.5?
[07:51] <markguy9> How do I reset the usb devices?
[07:51] <jjwalton> Hello guys. I'm trying to understand what is the general setup for having system accounts (i.e. automated upgrades, scripts) to mail to mail server via SMTP. BUT WITH TLS AUTH. How would those accounts authenticate with the mail server as 'root' is a generic account (not using kerberos)
[07:51] <bunnypuncher> type this command:    lsusb
[07:52] <bunnypuncher> it will tell you about the usb devices it sees
[07:52] <markguy9> Ah my headset doesn't appear on the list :(
[07:52] <bunnypuncher> is it plugged in right now
[07:52] <bunnypuncher> it only shows actively connected devices
[07:53] <markguy9> Haha I can't plug it in...
[07:53] <bunnypuncher> so now if we load the right module you should be able to see it and use it
[07:54] <markguy9> I can't turn the bluetooth on, I think that's the problem
[07:55] <markguy9> If I restart I think it'll work
[07:56] <markguy9> But it's not really ideal to have to restart everytime I want to listen to music
[07:56] <bunnypuncher> try this command:    dmesg | grep Bluetooth
[07:58] <markguy9> https://pasteboard.co/GZvC1Kw.png
[07:59] <bunnypuncher> see those timeouts are your lag
[08:00] <markguy9> yea.
[08:00] <markguy9> I'm trying to turn blueman on now but it won't
[08:00] <markguy9> and I don't get any errors about it
[08:00] <bunnypuncher> ok so try this
[08:00] <bunnypuncher> modprobe btusb
[08:01] <bunnypuncher> as root or sudo as needed
[08:01] <markguy9> That was quick
[08:01] <markguy9> but nothing happened I think
[08:01] <markguy9> haha
[08:02] <bunnypuncher> ok try and replug them in
[08:02] <markguy9> I can't plug them in...
[08:02] <bunnypuncher> errr try and access them
[08:03] <markguy9> I can't do that either because the bluetooth won't turn on
[08:03] <bunnypuncher> ok do:   sudo lsmod
[08:04] <bunnypuncher> that will list if it was loaded or not
[08:05] <bunnypuncher> sudo modprobe -r btusb
[08:05] <bunnypuncher> will reload the running btusb if it is loaded
[08:06] <markguy9> I wonder if this has something to do with the problem https://pasteboard.co/GZvF4iH.png
[08:06] <bunnypuncher> might need to do that for pulseaudio-module-bluetooth also
[08:06] <markguy9> that did something!
[08:07] <markguy9> Took away the bluetooth
[08:07] <bunnypuncher> ok now readd with:  sudo modprobe btusb
[08:08] <markguy9> Nah it won't turn on
[08:09] <markguy9> even sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start does nothing
[08:09] <bunnypuncher> ok looks like there are several mods we will need to do
[08:10] <bunnypuncher> btusb , btrtl , btbcm, btintel. bluetooth
[08:10] <bunnypuncher> are the ones I have
[08:10] <markguy9> should I install them?
[08:10] <markguy9> Do you have bluez?
[08:11] <bunnypuncher> no but I'm not using bluetooth
[08:11] <bunnypuncher> so I don't have a similar config to work from
[08:11] <markguy9> Wow
[08:11] <markguy9> how are you managing to help then
[08:11] <markguy9> haha
[08:11] <markguy9> But Thank YOU!
[08:11] <bunnypuncher> I just guessing :)
[08:12] <markguy9> Your guess is probably better than mine
[08:12] <bunnypuncher> so try:  sudo moodprobe -r btusb btrl btbcm btintel bluetooth
[08:12] <bunnypuncher> that unload them all
[08:12] <bunnypuncher> then we modprobe them back in see if we can access bluethooth
[08:12] <markguy9> btrl not found
[08:13] <markguy9> FATAL: Module bluetooth is in use.
[08:13] <bunnypuncher> ok so can't unload that one
[08:13] <bunnypuncher> maybe that is the problem one
[08:14] <markguy9> should I purge it?
[08:14] <bunnypuncher> try with just loading back the other four first
[08:15] <bunnypuncher>  sudo moodprobe  btusb btrl btbcm btintel bluetooth
[08:15] <bunnypuncher> minus the bluetooh
[08:15] <markguy9> The command worked but didnt seem to change anything
[08:16] <bunnypuncher> you can run lsusb between things to see if your device shows up
[08:16] <bunnypuncher> ok so then bluetooth mod is probably the key then
[08:17] <markguy9> I guess so
[08:21] <bunnypuncher> try running dmesg again see if any errors from the loading and unloading
[08:22] <bunnypuncher> also if you could bin paste output from:   lsmod
[08:22] <bunnypuncher> so I can get an idea of what modules you have that would be helpful
[08:24] <bunnypuncher> and output from:   sudo lshw
[08:24] <bunnypuncher> so I can tell what hardware you have
[08:32] <bunnypuncher> Also seems like this could apply here:  https://medium.com/@elmaxx/bluetooth-headphone-not-working-on-ubuntu-17-04-8fc9d72fe05b
[08:33] <markguy9> https://pasteboard.co/GZvPSOc.png
[08:34] <bunnypuncher> are you running 17.04?
[08:35] <markguy9> nope, 16.04
[08:35] <bunnypuncher> ah each modprobe needs to be on seperate line
[08:35] <markguy9> https://pastebin.com/esFLymd0
[08:35] <bunnypuncher> modprobe justonemod
[08:36] <bunnypuncher> that was my mistake
[08:36] <markguy9> FATAL: Module justonemod not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-103-generic
[08:37] <markguy9> https://pastebin.com/40Pbryre
[08:37] <bunnypuncher> no I mean:   modprobe btusb
[08:37] <bunnypuncher>   modprobe btrl
[08:38] <markguy9> Got you
[08:38] <bunnypuncher> each one on done one module at a time :)
[08:38] <markguy9> Module btrl not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-103-generic
[08:38] <bunnypuncher> ok you might not have that one my config dosn't match yours
[08:39] <markguy9> Cool
[08:39] <markguy9> I did the rest
[08:40] <bunnypuncher> do have /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf
[08:40] <markguy9> I don't
[08:40] <markguy9> Busy trying to find a version for it
[08:41] <bunnypuncher> so that might be it since we know bluetooth module is having issue
[08:42] <Pilfers> pooopuntu
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> Pilfers: can we help you?
[08:43] <markguy9> How do I find an original version for that file
[08:43] <bunnypuncher> live eat sleep ubuntu and then what he said :)
[08:44] <markguy9> hahahaha
[08:44] <bunnypuncher> do you have /etc/bluetooth/main.conf
[08:45] <StormWarrior> hey..
[08:45] <markguy9> Yea I do have the main.conf
[08:45] <bunnypuncher> I think you can make the change in there
[08:46] <StormWarrior> My rsync is not working.. and I know its something stupid that I am doing
[08:46] <markguy9> I know that the bluez program has already made changes there
[08:46] <markguy9> I'm really worried about those 2 files
[08:46] <markguy9> I've restored a backup of the audio.conf as well
[08:46] <markguy9> Is there any way I can debug them?
[08:46] <markguy9> or see if they're being used
[08:47] <StormWarrior> markguy9: you can use lsof
[08:47] <StormWarrior> markguy9: and grep it with audio.conf
[08:47] <bunnypuncher> yes
[08:47] <bunnypuncher> I've got a script that regens them
[08:47] <bunnypuncher> I'm testing it
[08:47] <markguy9> hahaha wow
[08:48] <StormWarrior> so I have this file on the remote server and this rsync is just not sync'ing them
[08:48] <markguy9> running lsof makes me feel like I'm in the matrix
[08:48] <bunnypuncher> lol yeah it can have that effect
[08:49] <StormWarrior> am I even visible :/
[08:50] <StormWarrior> :/
[08:50] <auronandace> StormWarrior: you've barely been here 5 mins, give it some time
[08:50] <markguy9> haha
[08:50] <StormWarrior> but I am getting so frustrated right now.. :(
[08:53] <bunnypuncher> here is a link to a version of audio.conf https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/bluetooth/bluez/+/android-4.1.1_r4/audio/audio.conf
[08:54] <bunnypuncher> StormWarrior so what is the issue with rsync?
[08:54] <StormWarrior> :)
[08:54] <markguy9> 😍
[08:54] <bunnypuncher> let me guess doesn't sync right :)
[08:55] <markguy9> why Disable=Headset,Gateway?
[08:55] <StormWarrior>  rsync -rvne "ssh -i .ssh/EC2/NewPair.pem -p 80" ubuntu@iodine.bounceme.net:/home/ubuntu/unsorted/Bitcoin* ./unsorted/Bitcoin-TheFutureOfMoney
[08:55] <StormWarrior> fuck
[08:56] <bunnypuncher> markguy9 I don't know if that version has the best settings or anything
[08:56] <StormWarrior> ok I hope the above info couldn't  be used to get into my server
[08:56] <bunnypuncher> just so you have what options can be put in
[08:57] <StormWarrior> everytime I run it, all the files of both the directories(remote and local) are being shown "to be sync'ed"
[08:57] <bunnypuncher> well there is you bounce, your key name, port :( might be help to the wrong types of folks
[08:57] <markguy9> StormWarrior: only if you send us that NewPair.pem file ;)
[08:57] <StormWarrior> ah crap
[08:57] <StormWarrior> now I gotta change the ports
[08:57] <StormWarrior> and the username
[08:57] <StormWarrior> and the server ddns
[08:57] <StormWarrior> why am I so fuckin dumb :/
[08:58] <markguy9> Did you share that file?
[08:58] <StormWarrior> nope
[08:58] <StormWarrior> I am not THAT dumb
[08:58] <markguy9> So then you're fine
[08:58] <Neo1> I installed ubuntu and couldn't work there, forever was struggling with OS...
[08:58] <cuddlesquid> >& /tmp/lsubuntu.log would be a simple way of logging
[08:58] <bunnypuncher> well like mark said without the key won't be too much risk
[08:58] <StormWarrior> hmm
[08:59] <StormWarrior> so.. why isnt my rsync not working?
[08:59] <StormWarrior> is*
[09:00] <markguy9> So the bluetooth still won't turn on
[09:00] <markguy9> going to try check my main.conf file as well
[09:01] <StormWarrior> ???
[09:01] <StormWarrior> anyone?
[09:02] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10 .nVidia 384.90 . After last update both desktop and plain terminal have become utterly unusable, throwing NVRM XID errors all the time, corrupted graphic display. System hangs intermittently. Utter garbage.
[09:02] <bunnypuncher> I think the -e is just to the ssh program not the whole command
[09:03] <bunnypuncher> rsync -e "ssh -p 9999" /path/to/local_file domain.com:/path/to/remote_file
[09:03] <Nitrigaur> I even had to resort to booting Windows of all things in order to start a bloody chat program... Windows works fine with the GPU, so it must be a software issue.
[09:04] <bunnypuncher> would be example of using it that way
[09:04] <bunnypuncher> but that is how you have the command
[09:05] <StormWarrior> I know.. and I can connect to the server with no issues.. it shows me the incremental file list..
[09:05] <auronandace> Neo1: still trying to setup a server?
[09:06] <Neo1> auronandace: I want to install on virtual machine ubuntu or debian and put there my local sites instead WAMP
[09:07] <bunnypuncher> what shell are you using
[09:07] <Neo1> auronandace: WAMP works very slow, I want to check how will work virtual server
[09:07] <markguy9> guake
[09:07] <Neo1> auronandace: use VMware and now trying to install debian, debian is for professionals?
[09:07] <StormWarrior> bunnypuncher: bash
[09:08] <Nitrigaur> Neo1, not really. Debian is quite usable as a home user.
[09:08] <Neo1> I've read in internet that debian is for professional and ubuntu is for newbie. Is it truth?
[09:08] <StormWarrior> ubuntu is based on debian
[09:08] <StormWarrior> Neo1: use redhat :p
[09:08] <Neo1> Nitrigaur: yes, I think so, they has equal kernel, on each linux possible install the same apps
[09:08] <bunnypuncher> oh I should have seen it
[09:09] <Neo1> redhat is paid OS?
[09:09] <bunnypuncher> Storm it is the ./
[09:09] <StormWarrior> Neo1: not if you can get a copy of it from tpb :p
[09:09] <StormWarrior> bunnypuncher: ??
[09:09] <StormWarrior> bunnypuncher: ./?? elaborate please
[09:09] <Nitrigaur> StormWarrior, not recommended, just use CentOS
[09:09] <StormWarrior> Use Kali..
[09:09] <bazhang> StormWarrior, dont recommend that here, neither tpb nor redhat
[09:10] <StormWarrior> bazhang: ok
[09:10] <Neo1> StormWarrior: I'm web developer and want use something... would be good to use linux, but I not prepared to drop windows :)
[09:10] <Nitrigaur> If you need the RedHat core, use CentOS, but his channel discusses Ubuntu
[09:10] <bunnypuncher> just try putting the ./unsorted/Bitcoin-TheFutureOfMoney in quotes
[09:10] <Neo1> CSgO
[09:10] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, lol
[09:10] <Neo1> how I'll play in csgo or themfortles2 ?
[09:10] <bazhang> Nitrigaur, lets get back to ubuntu support only
[09:11] <Nitrigaur> bazhang, I agree.
[09:11] <bunnypuncher> "./unsorted/Bitcoin-TheFutureOfMoney"
[09:11] <markguy9> Neo1: Just don't play games anymore
[09:11] <StormWarrior> bunnypuncher: not working
[09:11] <Spookan> Neo1: Then you should just use Windows then.
[09:12] <Neo1> markguy9: I'm going to create trade steam bot in the future
[09:12] <StormWarrior> i know I am messing it up somewhere..
[09:12] <bunnypuncher> is /home/ubuntu/unsorted/Bitcoin*
[09:12] <bunnypuncher> a number of files
[09:12] <StormWarrior> yes
[09:12] <Neo1> Spookan: yes, windows cool, but I want to be cool developer as well )
[09:12] <StormWarrior> hence -r
[09:13] <Nitrigaur> How can I purge and reinstall nVidia drivers on Ubuntu 17.10. I can barely get a normal (non-X) terminal to work right now.
[09:13] <StormWarrior> Bitcoin* is actually the name of the directory(* is the glob)
[09:13] <bunnypuncher> don't do it that way
[09:13] <bunnypuncher> do /home/ubuntu/unsorted/Bitcoin/
[09:13] <StormWarrior> not working
[09:13] <bunnypuncher> or you can just leave off the * it won't need it
[09:14] <bunnypuncher> really do you get any output?
[09:14] <StormWarrior> Tried that too
[09:14] <StormWarrior> yes
[09:14] <StormWarrior> list of all the files in the remote server
[09:15] <Neo1> I've read about docker, people says it's better than use server on virtual machine? is it true? docker it's like server?
[09:15] <StormWarrior> I have some files in local folder named Bitcoin-TheFutureOfMoney already dowloaded from the remote server
[09:15] <Neo1> docker or virgine
[09:15] <StormWarrior> Neo1: docker is a container.. a kind of virtualization
[09:15] <geirha> You know that by default rsync only copies files if they are newer than the destination, or have different size than the destination, right?
[09:15] <Neo1> StormWarrior: online container?
[09:15] <StormWarrior> YES!!!!
[09:15] <bunnypuncher> it work?
[09:16] <StormWarrior> So there are close to 20 files in the source and only 5 in the destination
[09:16] <StormWarrior> no..
[09:16] <Neo1> StormWarrior: there guy said that he use docker on the work with ubuntu and in home with window and didn't have problems
[09:16] <StormWarrior> Neo1: dude I am fucked up
[09:16] <StormWarrior> Neo1: with all due respects.. can you ask someone else?
[09:16] <bunnypuncher> is there anything strange on the remote host file perm issues
[09:16] <bunnypuncher> strange char in the names
[09:16] <StormWarrior> no.. none whatsoever.....
[09:16] <bunnypuncher> extended attributes on the files
[09:16] <markguy9> rsync -v --stats --progress
[09:17] <markguy9> tail -f /tmp/rsync.log
[09:17] <StormWarrior> as I said.. I am getting a list of all the files while theoritically, I could only get a list of only files NOT in my local directory
[09:17] <geirha> so it doesn't list the 15 extra files?
[09:17] <Nitrigaur> StormWarrior, if you are running SELinux, be sure to check the audit log as well.
[09:17] <Neo1> for windows docker is bad supported and has some errors, but probably it's solved now, that article is old was written more than 1 year ago
[09:17] <StormWarrior> geirha: IT is listing all 20 files
[09:17] <geirha> so it's working
[09:17] <StormWarrior> thats my point
[09:17] <Neo1> ok, I'll silence
[09:17] <markguy9> Try this to get more information from the rsync https://askubuntu.com/questions/98597/increase-verbosity-of-running-rsync-process
[09:17] <geirha> just remove the dry-run flag to make it actually do the copy
[09:18] <bunnypuncher> also lsattr the files
[09:18] <StormWarrior> ok..
[09:18] <markguy9> haha
[09:18] <StormWarrior> ah
[09:18] <StormWarrior> I fucking hate my brain
[09:19] <Nitrigaur> How can I purge and reinstall nVidia drivers on Ubuntu 17.10? I can barely get a normal (non-X) terminal to work right now. Not even through ssh.
[09:19] <StormWarrior> its working.. the increamental list means exactly that.. its INCREAMENTAL
[09:19] <StormWarrior> markguy9 geirha bunnypuncher thanks guys
[09:19] <bunnypuncher> cool good luck with making a killing in bitcon :)
[09:20] <markguy9> geirha legend haha
[09:20] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, interesting typo there, or is it? ;-)
[09:20] <bunnypuncher> yea I noticed that but laughed so didn't correct it
[09:20] <StormWarrior> :/
[09:21] <bunnypuncher> markguy9 you get your config file figured out?
[09:21] <markguy9> No :(
[09:21] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, what re you trying to achieve?
[09:21] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, what are you trying to achieve?
[09:21] <markguy9> Trying to turn on bluetooth
[09:22] <markguy9> I think my drivers are a mess
[09:22] <markguy9> or my config filoes
[09:22] <markguy9> files
[09:22] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, do you use bluez or another Bluetooth stack?
[09:22] <markguy9> Yea I got bluez
[09:22] <markguy9> but I think that is the problem
[09:22] <Nitrigaur> What device are you trying to get to work?
[09:22] <markguy9> heaphones
[09:22] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur here is a list of his modules https://pastebin.com/esFLymd0
[09:22] <markguy9> headphones
[09:23] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, thx for the link
[09:23] <markguy9> Thanks bunny :)
[09:23] <bunnypuncher> seems newer versions moved config to /etc/bluetooth/main.conf
[09:23] <bunnypuncher> like you have it and did away with audio.conf
[09:23] <markguy9> bunnypuncher* haha
[09:24] <bunnypuncher> lol the name still gets me sometimes even after using it for long time
[09:24] <bunnypuncher> my wife is aka Mrs bunnypuncher
[09:25] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, I notice you have both the Intel and Broadcomm modules loaded. They might conflict with each other. Did you try unloading the one that is not appliccable to your Bluetooth device?
[09:25] <markguy9> I have not
[09:25] <markguy9> I don't even know how you know that
[09:25] <markguy9> My general fix for linux based issues is to try and apt-get install more packages.
[09:25] <bunnypuncher> see looks like Nitrigaur has more experience with bluetooth I just don't use it
[09:25] <markguy9> Gets me into **** sometimes
[09:26] <bunnypuncher> I had him try and unload and reload the btusb stuff
[09:26] <markguy9> bunnypuncher I really appreciate the help, you taught me a quite a few things.
[09:26] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, just use rmmod <module you want to remove from running kernel>
[09:26] <bunnypuncher> lol
[09:26] <Neo1> who did try to run Photoshop in linux in virtual box?
[09:26] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, don´t be afraid to make a mistake, it´s not permanent.
[09:26] <markguy9> This is a little noob but I don't know which one to remove
[09:27] <bunnypuncher> yw it is a solveable problem just need get the modules and conf right
[09:27] <bunnypuncher> so don't throw computer out yet ;)
[09:27] <markguy9> haha if you told me that 6 months ago I would have agreed with you
[09:28] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, please pastebin the output of lsusb | grep -i blu (if it´s a USB device) or lscpi| grep -i blu if it´s a builtin device.
[09:28] <markguy9> I'm starting to lose faith
[09:28] <markguy9> no need for pastebin. only one line comes up. Bus 003 Device 008: ID 045e:0745 Microsoft Corp. Nano Transceiver v1.0 for Bluetooth
[09:28] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, Microsoft??
[09:28] <markguy9> I dunno why that comes up?
[09:29] <markguy9> Take that name off of my ubuntu :D
[09:29] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, did you use an encapsulated Windows driver?
[09:29] <markguy9> I really wanna say that I didn't
[09:29] <markguy9> But when I panic I install everything
[09:30] <bunnypuncher> Try to install bluez-utils and connect headset with bluetoothctl
[09:30] <bunnypuncher> that gives some good output of what is going on
[09:30] <markguy9> I have tried that, it says it doesn't exist
[09:31] <markguy9> here are my packages https://pasteboard.co/GZwdCEx.png
[09:31] <bunnypuncher> bluez-tools - Set of tools to manage Bluetooth devices for linux
[09:31] <bunnypuncher> is the ubuntu version
[09:31] <bunnypuncher> so guess it varies between distros
[09:32] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, nothing strange there.
[09:32] <markguy9> Cool, busy installing :)
[09:32] <bunnypuncher> oh this is nice they have bluez-dbg driver with debugging symbols
[09:32] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, yes, nice touch there
[09:32] <markguy9> haha I have no idea what the means
[09:33] <markguy9> The problem I'm having right now is ridicules though
[09:33] <markguy9> the bluetooth wont even turn on
[09:33] <bunnypuncher> you could load that and attach gdb (GNU debugger) to the module or take memory dump and trace the stack
[09:33] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, it means you can use that driver and get some useful debugging info while trying to debug an application that uses Bluetooth
[09:33] <Nitrigaur> Mainly for developers.
[09:34] <bunnypuncher> but before going that far try:  bluez-tools
[09:34] <bunnypuncher> first
[09:34] <markguy9> I don't know how to 'try' it
[09:35] <bunnypuncher> oh:  sudo apt-get install bluz-tools
[09:35] <markguy9> Oh yea i did that
[09:35] <bunnypuncher> then we can use bluetoothctl
[09:35] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, please open a xterminal and enter: watch -n2 -d dmesg . Please put the terminal on top and then try to activate Bluetooth.
[09:35] <markguy9> Process '/bin/hciconfig hci0 up' failed with exit code 1.
[09:36] <markguy9> why xterminal?
[09:36] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, try journalctl -xe
[09:37] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, so you can keep it on top of your desktop environment. It doesn´t have to be xterm, it can also be Gnome or QT-based, as long as it is a graphical (Xorg) terminal.
[09:38] <markguy9> I use guake
[09:38] <markguy9> is that fine? haha
[09:38] <markguy9> https://pastebin.com/0iAZxLcX output from tournal
[09:38] <markguy9> journal*
[09:41] <bunnypuncher> Dec 23 11:35:01 laptop kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
[09:41] <bunnypuncher> Dec 23 11:35:03 laptop kernel: Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x1001 tx timeout
[09:41] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, it is fine to use guake. I think I am beginning to understand what is happening here. Your computer has a builtin Bluetooth radio (the Microsoft one) and you have just inserted an USB-based Bluetooth device with an Atheros chipset.
[09:41] <bunnypuncher> this is the issue I think it has hardware address
[09:41] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, Those radios might conflict with each other.
[09:42] <markguy9> Okay lets delete them
[09:42] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, no!
[09:42] <markguy9> Nope
[09:42] <markguy9> lets keep them
[09:42] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, don´t jump to conclusions please.
[09:43] <markguy9> Sorry :(
[09:43] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, you could unload the Microsoft driver by issueing: sudo rmmod btintel
[09:44] <markguy9> I haven't inserted any usb bluetooth devices though...
[09:45] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, hmm... In that case it´s an internal device. That´s odd, why would you ever need two bt radio´s in one computer?
[09:45] <markguy9> I don't know if my mouse is bluetooth.
[09:45] <markguy9> I have removed it anyway
[09:45] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, is your mouse by any chance a MS Mouse?
[09:45] <bunnypuncher> can you pastebin the /etc/bluetooth/main.conf file
[09:46] <markguy9> Nah the mouse was e-blue
[09:46] <markguy9> My keyboard is microsoft...
[09:46] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, is it a wireless keyboard?
[09:46] <markguy9> It is
[09:46] <markguy9> But it hasn't broken throughout this whole process
[09:46] <Nitrigaur> bt based?
[09:46] <markguy9> including my purging all bluetooth drivers..
[09:47] <markguy9> I don't know if its bluetooth
[09:47] <markguy9> its MC wireless comfort keyboard 5000
[09:47] <Nitrigaur> In that case it´s probably another RF-link or you would loose the connection.
[09:47] <markguy9> pastebin of the main.conf https://pastebin.com/STY0jGbE
[09:48] <bunnypuncher> yea looks like a few items in there refer to device id
[09:49] <bunnypuncher> #DeviceID = bluetooth:1234:5678:abcd
[09:49] <bunnypuncher> isn't set
[09:49] <markguy9> I'm trying to find a non wireless keyboard
[09:50] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, not they don´t it´s just an example until you remove the pound sign.
[09:50] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, no they don´t it´s just an example until you remove the pound sign.
[09:50] <bunnypuncher> right but it needs to be set for it to work doesn't it
[09:50] <bunnypuncher> his config is not set
[09:51] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, it´s not modified, which means it´s using default values.
[09:51] <markguy9> I think I'm going to try to restart quickly
[09:51] <bunnypuncher> right from the first load of the module it times out trying to talk to a device
[09:51] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, true.
[09:51] <bunnypuncher> but the kernel isn't picking up the correct device id
[09:52] <Nitrigaur> Isn´t it? It detects the Atheros Alaska 2006 chipset.
[09:53] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, and then it tries to address the device using the std. btusb module.
[09:53] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, which fails.
[09:54] <bunnypuncher> I agree
[09:54] <markguy9_> I'm back
[09:54] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, welcome back
[09:54] <markguy9_> Thanks :)
[09:54] <bunnypuncher> so a conflict between drivers or unknown device id
[09:54] <Nitrigaur> You probably have two chat windows open, you an underscore added right now.
[09:54] <markguy9_> Okay restart didn't help at all
[09:54] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_,  ^
[09:55] <Nitrigaur> You probably have two chat windows open, you have an underscore added right now.
[09:55] <markguy9_> haha I didn't leave the chat before I restarted.
[09:56] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I agree with your assessment.
[09:56] <bunnypuncher> have you tried:   hcitool scan
[09:56] <markguy9_> Device is not available: No such device
[09:57] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, did you check the battery level on your headphones?
[09:57] <markguy9_> I'm sorry, I should have come straight here, I think I have probably made the problem so much worse
[09:57] <markguy9_> Battery is fine, I cant even turn on bluetooth right now
[09:57] <markguy9_> therefore I cant pair or connect
[09:57] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, sounds reasonable.
[09:58] <bunnypuncher> yea to be on the safe side maybe we should start from scratch
[09:58] <markguy9_> Like reformat? :o
[09:58] <bunnypuncher> remove all the existing packages, install them fresh and make sure we don't have some "cruft" that got in from previous attempts at fixing it
[09:58] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, a dpkg-reconfigure bluez might do the trick.
[09:59] <bunnypuncher> no don't need to reformat
[09:59] <bunnypuncher> this isn't windows
[09:59] <Nitrigaur> Hehe
[09:59] <markguy9_> hahahaa
[09:59] <markguy9_> mark@laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure bluez [sudo] password for mark:  initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused insserv: warning: script 'plexmediaserver' missing LSB tags and overrides insserv: Default-Start undefined, assuming empty start runlevel(s) for script `plexmediaserver' insserv: Default-Stop  undefined, assuming empty stop  runlevel(s) for script `plexmediase
[09:59] <markguy9_> sorry I should have done paste bin
[10:00] <bunnypuncher> since we might be in an unknown state with the packages due to previous fix attempts
[10:00] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, try purging all bluetooth related packages and then reinstalling them
[10:01] <bunnypuncher> since we can't get the device id with hcitool I think that is the best bet
[10:01] <bunnypuncher> yea it only takes a second
[10:01] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, Purging will also delete any stray config files...
[10:01] <bunnypuncher> well couple of minutes
[10:01] <markguy9_> No problem will do that now
[10:01] <markguy9_> Just freaks me out donig that cause it removes the network-manager and that's scary when that happens
[10:02] <bunnypuncher> we need to the device id from dmesg / hcitool / somewhere without then the modules are not scanning properly
[10:03] <bunnypuncher> I might see if I can grab my son's usb head phones
[10:03] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, you might try booting from a live DVD to see if that makes any difference.
[10:03] <bunnypuncher> see if I can make similar conofig
[10:03] <markguy9_> I'd have to write a boot drive, so that won't be quick
[10:04] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, apt-get install bt-foobar bt-conflicts
[10:04] <bunnypuncher> lol yea but least this is a interesting issue
[10:04] <bunnypuncher> I like these kinds
[10:04] <Nitrigaur> It sure is :-)
[10:04] <Nitrigaur> I feel a bit said typing this from Win8.1 :-/
[10:05] <markguy9_> Haha I'm so happy you guys find this issue interesting
[10:05] <Nitrigaur> I feel a bit sad typing this from Win8.1 :-/
[10:05] <markguy9_> It's was soul crushing when I was trying to fix it on my own
[10:05] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, nah, you probably learned a lot during that process.
[10:06] <bunnypuncher> well I'm a kernel hacker kinda person and don't need too often in my day to day life so
[10:06] <bunnypuncher> we could break out the heavy guns and get dtrace installed
[10:06] <bunnypuncher> and build kernel with debug symbols and track it down that way
[10:07] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, in that case, could you help troubleshoot a troublesome Ubuntu install with a corrupt GPU driver (even non-Xorg)?
[10:07] <markguy9_> wow
[10:07] <TJ-> no need for building with debug symbols these days, just attach an eBPF trace with systemtap, etc.
[10:07] <bunnypuncher> sure that might be fun one
[10:08] <bunnypuncher> I will say it has been a while I'm coming back to linux kernel from 2.4 / 2.6 daysw
[10:08] <bunnypuncher> so still getting up to speed on changes
[10:08] <Nitrigaur> What did you use in the meantime, *BSD?
[10:09] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, or just using the kernel as a general user, without the kernel hacking?
[10:09] <bunnypuncher> I was in the system engineering / dev ops kind of role with Solaris E15ks
[10:09] <Markguy9> I'm back
[10:10] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I used to work with FreeBSD, but let´s get back ontopic :-)
[10:10] <bunnypuncher> Nah compay and winblows desktops and servers were Sun
[10:10] <Neo1> why in debian doesn't work sudo and gksudo? I can't go there like root from start?
[10:10] <bunnypuncher> so just didn't use it much for a whle
[10:10] <bunnypuncher> love the BSD
[10:10] <Markguy9> But I can't open system settings anymore :o
[10:11] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, hmm? What happens if you try that?
[10:11] <bunnypuncher> system settings?
[10:11] <Nitrigaur> Any errors?
[10:11] <bunnypuncher> like the control panel
[10:11] <Markguy9> Like the gui
[10:11] <Markguy9> where I put on bluetooth
[10:11] <Markguy9> reinstall unity-control-center?
[10:12] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[10:12] <bunnypuncher> see if you can attach it via cmd line:   bluetoothctl
[10:12] <TJ-> Markguy9: use the command-line, it's much easier and more direct!
[10:12] <Markguy9> 16.04
[10:12] <TJ-> Markguy9: "bluetoothctl" then "power on"
[10:12] <TJ-> Markguy9: then "show" to report info on the BT controller in the PC
[10:13] <Markguy9> TJ haha I've lost all ubuntu settings now... I don't mind fixing bluetooth in terminal but I would like to have the rest back
[10:13] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, ah OK, should have stayed on that version. I jumped ship to 17.10 because of more modern applications. I regret my decision...
[10:13] <bunnypuncher> yea I have lot of issues with 17.10 not being supported by dev tools
[10:13] <Markguy9> Yea I can't upgrade to 17 cause there is a VPN that I need for work that doesn't work on 17 haha
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[10:13] <TJ-> Markguy9: a workaround is to create a new user account, add that user to 'sudo' group, just to get stable
[10:13] <CoJaBo> !ops
[10:14] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, when uninstalling bluetooth packages, did you perhaps also remove the ubuntu-desktop package?
[10:14] <Markguy9> Probably
[10:14] <TJ-> CoJaBo: don't worry, freenode will k-line that user very soon. it's a repeat offender
[10:14] <bunnypuncher> don't worry that can be fixed too
[10:14] <Markguy9> yup it was gone
[10:14] <Markguy9> hahaha
[10:14] <CoJaBo> TJ-: They don't seem to actually enforce that most of the time :/
[10:15] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, these dependencies are getting kind of ridiculous lately.
[10:15] <TJ-> "ubuntu-desktop" is just a meta-package though, it won't actually remove anything - it just depends on all the required bits for desktop
[10:15] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, true
[10:15] <bunnypuncher> I'm finding some things work best still on 14.04
[10:15] <Markguy9> yay
[10:15] <Markguy9> system settings is fixed
[10:15] <TJ-> CoJaBo: For this one, so far, they've been k-lining it quite promptly... it hits all popular channels once a day at least
[10:15] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, what did you do to fix it?
[10:16] <Markguy9> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <bunnypuncher> threw chick bones on top of the computer and did voodoo dance ?
[10:16] <bunnypuncher> ah yea your method probably work better
[10:16] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, Fie!, you might cause this guy/ gal to damage his/her laptop!
[10:17] <Nitrigaur> ;-)
[10:17] <TJ-> Just in time to get a new one for xmas then :P
[10:17] <Nitrigaur> Haha
[10:18] <Markguy9> So which pkgs should I reinstall?
[10:18] <Markguy9> any chance I can get away with not having bluez?
[10:19] <TJ-> Markguy9: we had a similar issue with Bluetooth a few days ago, connection timeouts/failing to connect (to a BT speaker in that case). Turned out to be a PC firmware bug in ACPI DSDT (power/configuration) which there is a workaround for. You may be experiencing the same thing
[10:19] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, I once pulled a prank on someone by autostarting a fake Bluescreen on Win95: ¨Fatal error at E04B:34ED Incompetent user, please replace user and press any key to continue¨ at his birthday. Luckily the guy could take a joke ;-)
[10:20] <bunnypuncher> isn't there a firmware update package related to this?
[10:20] <Markguy9> hahaha thats awesome
[10:20] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: that was a pretty comon prank :)
[10:20] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur lol still would be funny
[10:20] <Markguy9> I am using an ASUS
[10:20] <TJ-> Markguy9: read and apply workaround - if this works it saves you a lot of bother. If it doesn't fix BT it'll likely still make your PC behave better! http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:21] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, neh, the more common one would be to replicate the WinNT4 logon screen With the tantilising ¨Press ctrl-Alt-Del¨ to login. You can imagine what happens when you try that on 9x
[10:21] <bunnypuncher> sudo apt-get install blueman bluez bluetooth pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
[10:21] <bunnypuncher> is my guess
[10:22] <Markguy9> Bunnypuncher Eish, that was the road I went down a hour ago haha
[10:22] <bunnypuncher> oh:  sudo apt-get install bluz-tools
[10:22] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, yes , tried that one as well. Resulted in not being able to put my computer into sleep mode anymore.
[10:22] <bunnypuncher> yea but you said you should have came here first
[10:22] <Markguy9> haha true
[10:23] <bunnypuncher> this is just to ensure there isn't unexpect state we aren't aware of
[10:23] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: that's very unusual, since it enables the 'best' configuration
[10:23] <Nitrigaur> ACPI can be quite hard to troubleshoot and throws vague bugs.
[10:24] <bunnypuncher> these types of issues do make me love my BSD based macbook even more :)
[10:24] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: I've been working on it since 2007 so quite familiar with it. We have a lot of debug info available in kernel
[10:24] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, I know, I read the article and thought it was brilliant and it worked for a while too, but some upddate of Ubuntu disabled it again somehow.
[10:24] <Markguy9> The weird thing is that I don't have any of those addons installed and my bluetooth still doesn't turn on
[10:24] <Nitrigaur> 17.10 is not quite stable for me.
[10:25] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: ahhh, probably something removed the setting from /etc/default/grub
[10:25] <bunnypuncher> still need to load them
[10:25] <Nitrigaur> And that´s putting it mildly. Probably some weird GPU driver issue. Linus was right to shake his fist at nVidia.
[10:25] <bunnypuncher> and enable the systemd script
[10:25] <TJ-> Markguy9: show us "pastebinit <( rfkill list )"
[10:26] <Markguy9> everything says no
[10:26] <Markguy9> computer says no
[10:26] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, yes, I can inspect the startup line in grub to see if the workaround disappeared from it.
[10:26] <bunnypuncher> would still need to do: systemctl enable bluethooth
[10:26] <TJ-> Markguy9: right, but I want to see the actual output, with names (sometimes there are multiple nodes for the same device)
[10:26] <bunnypuncher> systemctl start bluetooth
[10:27] <Markguy9> got you
[10:27] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, splendid, so your headphones are working and you hear a clear voice in stereo saying ¨No¨? That means you´ve cracked it! :-P
[10:27] <bunnypuncher> we need to get the device ID and see what the kernel thinks it is
[10:27] <bunnypuncher> vs what it should be
[10:27] <bunnypuncher> since they weren't in sync before
[10:27] <TJ-> Markguy9: with this kind of debugging it's extremely important to collect exact and complete data - the smallest difference can be the vital clue
[10:27] <Markguy9> https://pasteboard.co/GZwAHT2.png
[10:28] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: we have it: "idVendor=13d3, idProduct=3402"
[10:28] <bunnypuncher> hcitool scan
[10:28] <bunnypuncher> oh greate
[10:28] <bunnypuncher> a bunny WILL thank you
[10:28] <TJ-> And there we go! we have TWO nodes for the same device
[10:28] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, you´ve made a typo
[10:29] <Markguy9> oh no
[10:29] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, hint: Bluetooth is not related to an ancient Egyptian god.
[10:29] <Markguy9> please don't tell me this is all cause of a typo
[10:29] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, bluetooth instead of bluethooth
[10:30] <TJ-> Markguy9: "asus-bluetooth" and "hci0" are going to conflict in some cases; "asus-bluetooth" is a 'platform' device, related to the ACPI config
[10:30] <bunnypuncher> yea Ancient Egyptian god wouldn't like being probed all the time with modprobe commands
[10:30] <Markguy9> haha
[10:30] <Markguy9> I'm not seeing what you oaks are seeing
[10:30] <bunnypuncher> not that bluetooth likes it much better
[10:30] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, in your case he would probably get punched.
[10:30] <bunnypuncher> lol
[10:31] <Markguy9> oh i see haha
[10:31] <TJ-> Markguy9: what's the make/model of this PC?
[10:31] <Markguy9> thats better
[10:31] <Markguy9> Synchronizing state of bluetooth.service with SysV init with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install... Executing /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable bluetooth
[10:31] <Markguy9> Give me a second
[10:31] <Markguy9> its Asus ROG
[10:31] <Markguy9> g55 or something
[10:31] <Markguy9> will get it now
[10:32] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, just wondering. Is this a clean install or did you upgrade from a previous version of Ubuntu?
[10:32] <Markguy9> Asus G551JM-DM118H
[10:32] <Markguy9> Upgrade from 14.04
[10:32] <TJ-> Markguy9: OK, what does "sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name" say  too?
[10:32] <Markguy9> G551JM
[10:33] <TJ-> Markguy9: great, they agree :)
[10:33] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, wow, never heard of that command.
[10:33] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, and I´m hacking Linux since 1997...
[10:33] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: dmidecode is often vital, even tells you about RAM slots, etc.
[10:33] <Markguy9> I don't think its a hardware problem though
[10:33] <Markguy9> cause it was working before
[10:34] <Markguy9> and it was workingish on 14.04
[10:34] <bunnypuncher> ha got you beat by a bit started in 1994 at college
[10:34] <Markguy9> but I wasn't using bluez on 14.04
[10:34] <TJ-> Markguy9: no, but we need to know the exact devices to know which drivers/configs should be active
[10:34] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, I should probably read it´s manpage. sounds interesting.
[10:34] <bunnypuncher> or means I'm older fart
[10:34] <TJ-> You're all babies! I was writing games engines in 1982 :)
[10:35] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, hail!
[10:35] <bunnypuncher> wow 1982 I was just making peeks and pokes in basic on my Vic 20
[10:35] <Markguy9> should I still be doing this? http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:35] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, definitely
[10:35] <TJ-> Markguy9: oh yes, that is very important.
[10:36] <TJ-> Markguy9: which kernel is in use ("uname -r") ?
[10:36] <Markguy9> 4.4.0-103-generic
[10:36] <Markguy9> I love you questioning style.. you ask the question and then answer the question that I would have been about to ask you. haha
[10:36] <TJ-> Markguy9: as the system is now 16.04, it would be worth installing one of the later kernels from the hardware enablement stack
[10:37] <TJ-> !info hwe | Markguy9
[10:37] <TJ-> Markguy9: I try to share my thinking and help you learn why
[10:37] <bunnypuncher> here is interesting fact I was getting back into building kernel adding options yada yada so I downloaded linux 1.0 and it was so much small than today by like 10,000 times I recall the math worked about out
[10:37] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, he is not running Artful...
[10:37] <Markguy9> That's why I appreciate it.
[10:37] <Markguy9> What's artful?
[10:37] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: it's 16.04 isn't it?
[10:37] <Nitrigaur> Markguy9, 17.10
[10:37] <bunnypuncher> and today there are 9000 + config options
[10:37] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, yes.
[10:37] <bunnypuncher> and linux 1.0 less than 1000
[10:38] <Markguy9> Oh right
[10:38] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, I´m running Artful though.
[10:38] <Markguy9> I'm on Xenial Xerus
[10:39] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, or at least until my GPU drivers borked my system to it´s present unusable state. Not even root term without X works, even not remotely through SSH.. I´m typing this from Win8.1 (;_;)
[10:39] <bunnypuncher> you guys hear dtrace is out and working on linux now?  I was testing it out on 14.04
[10:39] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: right, in 1604 we have 4.13 kernel with "linux-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge" (or linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge)
[10:40] <bunnypuncher> like 300,000 probes you can get from the kernel
[10:40] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, sounds spiffy and great for JACK.
[10:40] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: if SSH isn't working something more than the GPU driver is broken, unless systemd is getting stuck before starting network services
[10:41] <bunnypuncher> you sure it isn't config issue or something with dbus
[10:41] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: debugging. hopefully you can read this without a sub. https://lwn.net/Articles/740157/
[10:42] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, no, boot screen manages to start Network services. (It takes some time doing that, but my network is up). When my system hangs on a graphical DE, Xorg uses 100% CPU and my fan blows like crazy. Sounds like a race condition...
[10:42] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: and this announcement for eBPF in systemtap https://lwn.net/Articles/691341/
[10:43] <bunnypuncher> there is kerenl option to debug to usb port
[10:43] <Markguy9> I've done the acpi stuff
[10:43] <bunnypuncher> haven't tried it myself it
[10:43] <TJ-> Markguy9: and rebooted ?
[10:43] <Markguy9> Nope hahaha
[10:43] <Markguy9> brb
[10:43] <Markguy9> Are you guys using an IRC Client on ubuntu?
[10:43] <Markguy9> I'm on http://webchat.freenode.net/
[10:43] <Nitrigaur> I´m on win8.1 right now.
[10:44] <Markguy9> Nitriguar :( I'm sorry
[10:44] <Nitrigaur> Thank you for your sympathy :-)
[10:44] <bunnypuncher> that is cool those are the things I'm still catching up on
[10:44] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: do a boot with "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" on the kernel command line via editing at the GRUB boot menu, that'll prevent the GUI from starting.
[10:44] <Markguy9> If its any consolation I also can't use stupid nvidias drivers
[10:44] <Markguy9> So I also hate nvidia
[10:44] <Nitrigaur> TJ- will do
[10:45] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: also, for static debugging via a printk() extension, read up on dynamic_debug (/sys/kernel/debug/dynamic_debug/ )
[10:46] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur do you have nomodeset in grub boot config
[10:46] <eFfeM> Hi, I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and now after booting my screen is blank with a cursor top-left. I can still ssh into the system; any clue/pointer on how to resolve this?
[10:46] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I do
[10:46] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: for D.D. read the kernel's Documentation/admin-guide/dynamic-debug-howto.rst
[10:46] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur you were right that is starting to sound like interesting problem
[10:47] <eFfeM> btw thiis kubuntu and I see a number of kept-back packges related to mesa and plasma
[10:47] <bunnypuncher> TJ- last week I build the 4.15 kernel docs and have been reading up on it
[10:47] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I might even resort to do a clean reinstall pf 16.04 (not touching 17.10 again...)
[10:47] <bunnypuncher> I'm amazed at how different it is from the 2.6 days
[10:47] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: sometimes 'nomodeset' can actually cause later problems! What I generally do is disable GRUB's graphical mode (/etc/default/grub "GRUB_TERMINAL=console") so there's no need for early mode-witching
[10:48] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur that is the best road really
[10:48] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: Yes, it's wonderful now, feels liberating doesn't it?
[10:48] <bunnypuncher> look more is available to look into issues
[10:48] <bunnypuncher> a lot
[10:48] <TJ-> eFfeM: try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to get those held-back packages
[10:49] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, bunnypuncher, I´ll go with your advice. Hope to see you seen from within a stable Linux environment.
[10:49] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, bunnypuncher, I´ll go with your advice. Hope to see you soon from within a stable Linux environment.
[10:49] <eFfeM> TJ-: will try
[10:49] <bunnypuncher> oh couse being linux user since 1996 you have good backups right ?  ;)
[10:49] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I do.
[10:50] <bunnypuncher> I fell in love with dtrace back in 1998 and have wait so long for linux to get it
[10:50] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I don´t backup my OS though, just my personal files.
[10:50] <bunnypuncher> right no need to back up os files
[10:50] <bunnypuncher> packages reinstall those
[10:50] <markguy9> I'm back
[10:50] <bunnypuncher> and now linux also has ZFS
[10:51] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, sometimes I make a tbz of my etc directory before doing something adventurous there, but that´s about it when it comes to OS files.
[10:51] <bunnypuncher> so I'm happy cample ZFS / dtrace / lots of tools I'm still getting the hang of
[10:51] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I use btrfs instead of ZFS.
[10:51] <markguy9> Well something is working now
[10:52] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, great, please share it with us
[10:52] <markguy9> I don't want to celebrate prematurely .. but !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:52] <TJ-> hehehe oh go on :D
[10:52] <bunnypuncher> oh I don't agree with that choice it has lot of features , good design but I read about so many issues
[10:52] <markguy9> music is playing
[10:52] <bunnypuncher> with it I'm afraid to try it
[10:53] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, on your headphones? that´s great news!
[10:53] <markguy9> Yes it is
[10:53] <eFfeM> TJ-: thanks that did it!!!!!
[10:53] <markguy9> but its not fully working
[10:53] <bunnypuncher> gratz only been 6 month issue
[10:53] <markguy9> cause when I turn off bluetooth I can't turn it back on still
[10:53] <bunnypuncher> now you know where to come first lol
[10:53] <bunnypuncher> doh
[10:53] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: i have an inotify-based git repo for /etc/ Everytime inotify sees a WRITE,CLOSE inside /etc/ it triggers a new git commit. Then I have the repo cloned off the device to a couple of remote locations
[10:53] <jeremies> when I execute "sudo service vboxautostart-service restart" it gives me "Job for vboxautostart-service.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status vboxautostart-service.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details."
[10:54] <TJ-> markguy9: How are you "turning off" bluetooth?
[10:54] <markguy9> So if I want my music to work then I can just restart hahahaa
[10:54] <bunnypuncher> markguy9 what does lsusb show
[10:54] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, that is good advice right there!
[10:54] <markguy9> From the settings page
[10:54] <bunnypuncher> headphones gone?
[10:54] <markguy9> headphones are gone :(
[10:54] <bunnypuncher> TJ- that is good idea
[10:54] <TJ-> markguy9: how did you "turn off" bluetooth?
[10:54] <markguy9> in system settings
[10:55] <jeremies> the output of systemctl is  http://lpaste.net/361062
[10:55] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, >> Poof! << Oi, where did me headphone move off to?!
[10:55] <TJ-> markguy9: why are you turning off BT completely, rather than simply disconnecting the device?
[10:55] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, probably for testing purposes?
[10:56] <markguy9> The reason I want to test that is because usually if I stop listening to music for more than 2 minutes then ubuntu goes wonky and starts lagging the connecting to the headphones, in the past I used to turn off the bluetooth and reconnect to fix it
[10:56] <bunnypuncher> these issues remind me why I don't use bluetooth much
[10:56] <markguy9> haha I know
[10:56] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, ah, OK, now you just have to figure out what causes the wonkiness.
[10:56] <TJ-> markguy9: OK. firstly, do you have other bluetooth devices (phone maybe) you can test connectivty with?
[10:56] <bunnypuncher> how do you have the sleep setting
[10:56] <sdfgsdfg23> anyne in west coast ?
[10:57] <bunnypuncher> you should turn it from the default is way too low
[10:57] <markguy9> sleep setting
[10:57] <TJ-> markguy9: I suspect the issue is those 2 bluetooth control nodes for the same device; my guess is the management tools are getting confused as to which one to use
[10:57] <bunnypuncher> so starting to look like TJ- might have nailed it wake from sleep acpi power issue
[10:58] <markguy9> I'm starting to not understand what to do anymore
[10:58] <bunnypuncher> so since the reinstall there is no config information in /etc/bluetooh/main.conf
[10:58] <markguy9> Should I restart and try to replicate the original issue
[10:58] <bunnypuncher> I really think the device ID should be added there
[10:58] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, it appears so. EFI implementations are foobar these days.
[10:58] <TJ-> markguy9: restart and get the PC working correctly with the bluetooth headphones, and DONT switch BT off!
[10:59] <markguy9> Nope there is still a main.conf
[10:59] <markguy9> I'll do that :)
[10:59] <bunnypuncher> right but no DEVICEID set
[10:59] <bunnypuncher> still #DEVICE blah
[10:59] <TJ-> markguy9: after that, we'll upgrade the kernel to 4.13 HWE
[11:00] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, doesn´t need to be. It´s just using the defaults. Any conf.d directory beside that file perhaps?
[11:00] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: in theory, the platform and raw BT control nodes shouldn't be a problem, but we do see platform device issues because those drivers don't get as much use
[11:00] <markguy9_> I'm back
[11:01] <TJ-> markguy9_: BT audio working right now?
[11:01] <markguy9_> Ahh ff
[11:01] <markguy9_> ffs
[11:01] <markguy9_> nah the BT didn't turn on this time
[11:01] <jeremies> I don't have the file /etc/init.d/vboxautostart-service, but I have installed virtualbox, why?
[11:01] <TJ-> markguy9_: did you do a 'restart' ?
[11:01] <markguy9_> Nevermind it did now
[11:01] <markguy9_> woah it's so sketchy
[11:01] <bunnypuncher> this area I would defer to others I don't use bluetooth except on my mac so have 0 exp with it
[11:02] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, when you say it didn't turn on, do you mean the OS started without bluetooth enabled and you had to enable it via the GUI manager?
[11:02] <markguy9_> Yes
[11:02] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, and it should be active as soon as the underlying bluetooth service is started, regardless of a GUI login.
[11:03] <bunnypuncher> that's another area that changed so much device probing since 2.6
[11:03] <markguy9_> yea it didn't start automatically
[11:03] <markguy9_> but the headphones are working now
[11:03] <TJ-> markguy9_: I have multiple BT devices (keyboard, mouse, headset) and all connect fine even with a console boot
[11:03] <chicago-nexus7> So should I discard my artful images? I have a Lenovo yoga y510p
[11:03] <markguy9_> so I restarted, then it didnt turn on, then I turned it on from the gui  and managed to connect the headpones
[11:03] <chicago-nexus7> Ideapad
[11:04] <Nitrigaur> jeremies, Ubuntu is using systemd right now, so init.d is not used by default, except for some legacy services.
[11:04] <bunnypuncher> markguy9_ what do you get with: hcitool scan
[11:04] <TJ-> markguy9_: sometimes there's a delay in BT getting going simply due to congested radio frequencies, since BT shares the same frequencies as WiFi. If there's lots of WiFi APs it can really affect it
[11:04] <markguy9_> haha that's exactly what I'm doing
[11:04] <bunnypuncher> and lsusb
[11:04] <markguy9_> the scan returns nothing
[11:04] <bunnypuncher> since they are working you should see proper config
[11:04] <bunnypuncher> really
[11:04] <TJ-> markguy9_: what's the Wifi environment like? are there a lot of wifi devices?
[11:05] <markguy9_> There are few Wifi devices here in South Africa haha :)
[11:05] <Nitrigaur> I´m going to reboot to Ubuntu now. Please wish me luck!
[11:05] <markguy9_> here are the results from the lsusb https://pastebin.com/nkhsayDt
[11:05] <chicago-nexus7> Good luck
[11:05] <markguy9_> Nitrigaur good luck thanks for all the help
[11:05] <bunnypuncher> oh your from S Africa that's cool never talked to someone there
[11:06] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, markguy9_ bunnypuncher, hope to see you soon from within Ubuntu.
[11:06] <markguy9_> Now you have :)
[11:06] <chicago-nexus7> All I can think of is mean girls when someone says africa
[11:06] <markguy9_> And hopfully pretty soon you will have helped fixed someone's bluetooth from here haha
[11:06] <TJ-> markguy9_: around you though; how many APs? "sudo iwlist scan 2>/dev/null | grep Cell"
[11:07] <bunnypuncher> I dunno I pop on and off irc over the years haven't ever really been consistent user
[11:07] <markguy9_> There are 2
[11:07] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, thanks, not too bad then
[11:07] <bunnypuncher> but yea if i'm say hey
[11:07] <markguy9_> chicago-nexus7 haha
[11:08] <chicago-nexus7> You know that line
[11:08] <TJ-> markguy9_: woooa! I think I see a problem! have you got an external bluetooth USB dongle as well as the PC's own internal BT device?
[11:08] <vasp> hey everyone. is there any way to convert that 40MB ubuntu ISO into a live CD?
[11:08] <bunnypuncher> sign left your dongle hanging out
[11:09] <bunnypuncher> shame shame shame lol
[11:09] <markguy9_> Thats what nitriguar said earlier, but I don't have any other dongles
[11:09] <markguy9_> haha
[11:09] <markguy9_> Only other bluetooth thing is possibly my keyboard
[11:10] <TJ-> markguy9_: show us "pastebinit <( ls /sys/class/bluetooth/ )"
[11:10] <bunnypuncher> at least got some info on debugging linux that's kind of win
[11:10] <markguy9_> pastebinit... genius :D
[11:11] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, markguy9_ , bunny, good to see you guys from Ubuntu (i3) again...
[11:11] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: :D Yay
[11:11] <markguy9_> Nice!
[11:11] <bunnypuncher> I was starting to feel bad about asking for them.  But flying blind otherwise
[11:11] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, acpi_mode was still correct.
[11:11] <markguy9_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26238049/
[11:12] <jeremies> Nitrigaur: and vboxautostart-service is legacy?
[11:12] <bunnypuncher> I normally in #linux but hang in a lot of OS channels if something interesting pops up
[11:12] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: OK, you'll have to see if suspend/resume is recovered. Failure could have been due to a device refusing to suspend, rather than ACPI (see dmesg/kern.log)
[11:12] <bunnypuncher> but ubuntu is one of my fav distros
[11:12] <bunnypuncher> except for unity but we won't go there
[11:12] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, that's good, only one BT controller
[11:12] <Nitrigaur> jeremies, it is in a sense, yes if it tries to start itself from an init.d script
[11:13] <markguy9_> Cool :)
[11:13] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I am torn between *buntu and Arch, at my work I mainly use CentOS.
[11:14] <bunnypuncher> Arch is cool.  I have part time hobby of loading up like about 30 -40 vms of different linux to give them a spin
[11:14] <TJ-> markguy9_: show us "pastebinit <( ls -l /sys/class/bluetooth/hci0/device/driver/ )"
[11:14] <markguy9_> Should I try turning the music off to replicate the lag wonky behavior
[11:14] <markguy9_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26238056/
[11:14] <TJ-> markguy9_: Yes
[11:14] <bunnypuncher> I like Kali is an interesting one
[11:15] <bunnypuncher> was suprised by PuppyLinux
[11:15] <bunnypuncher> was actually really cool
[11:15] <TJ-> markguy9_: and note the time you do so we can know the time it takes to exhibit lagging, if it still does
[11:15] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, ah, you too? I am building a new firewall and to test it, I have recreated the network at my work (basic functions only of course) in Virtualbox.
[11:15] <markguy9_> Cool :)
[11:15] <bunnypuncher> I'm Redhat certified but haven't touched anything but cent and fedora lol
[11:16] <bunnypuncher> I was trying firewall project was gonna try pfsense (bsd based firewall appliance) but didn't have much luck with it
[11:17] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I have to migrate all Debian and RHEL systems to CentOS 7, with functionality intact of course ;-)
[11:17] <TJ-> !info marionnet | Nitrigaur you might find this interesting for network labs
[11:17] <TJ-> !info marionnet xenial | Nitrigaur you might find this interesting for network labs
[11:18] <bunnypuncher> I'm starting to find the small difference between distros very very annoying so my testing selled on Cent7 and Ubuntu 16.04 / 14.04
[11:18] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, thanks for the hint! I'll be sure to check it out!
[11:18] <bunnypuncher> everyting else is just fun vms
[11:18] <markguy9_> okay
[11:18] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: yes, same here, I do prefer the way Debian does things (and hence Ubuntu)
[11:18] <markguy9_> 3 minutes later its doing the laggy thing
[11:19] <bunnypuncher> yea I have two Debian Proxmox boxes with ZFS form my VMs
[11:19] <TJ-> markguy9_: describe how this lag manifests itself? video updates? mouse stuttering?
[11:19] <markguy9_> Music stuttering
[11:19] <bunnypuncher> it's been good setup
[11:19] <TJ-> markguy9_: you're playing it on the PC's local speakers now?
[11:19] <markguy9_> and If I'm playing a video then the video stutters too
[11:19] <markguy9_> the computer (mouse etc) is fine
[11:19] <markguy9_> just the music is glitchy
[11:20] <markguy9_> its not lag sorry, just don't know how else to describe it
[11:20] <TJ-> markguy9_: music is to PC speakers or the Bluetooth headphones now?
[11:20] <TJ-> markguy9_: stuttering? choppy?
[11:20] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, true but corporate support leans heavily towards RHEL, so I had no choice then to go with CentOS. Unfortunately, not all server softs we use are OSS and RHEL/ CentOS is often the only distro that these vendors support :-/
[11:20] <markguy9_> headphones
[11:20] <bunnypuncher> I get mad when people put down Ubuntu just cuz of Unity.  I explain how solid the base packages and every is
[11:20] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, aye.
[11:20] <bunnypuncher> I like Ubuntu Server for lot of my stuff greate base
[11:21] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, let's see what we can find out. show us "pastebinit <( journalctl -u bluetooth.service )"
[11:21] <markguy9_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26238087/
[11:21] <markguy9_> nothing in the pastebin since it started glitching
[11:21] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, distro reviews on YT mainly focus on the visual experience. Such a shame. No wonder Desktop Linux is branded as kiddy-stuff on YT...
[11:22] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: one thing I prefer in Debian/Ubuntu is all the packages in the repos are from a single source I can trust; with EPEL and other repos I'm never truwly sure
[11:22] <markguy9_> It's like it was in sleep mode and forgot to wake up or something
[11:23] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, well, haven't run into any problems using EPEL yet.
[11:23] <TJ-> markguy9_: aha! you have the "Not enough free handles to register service" messages. Right, let's get the kernel upgraded.
[11:23] <bunnypuncher> TJ- exactly I agree everything is so solid and the people who make the comments don't understand that
[11:23] <markguy9_> plays for half a second, stops for half a second.. and repeat
[11:23] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: it's not that, but not being able to determine the provinence of packages always worried me.
[11:23] <markguy9_> Yea but that error happened 20 minutes ago, the stuttering only started 5 minutes ago
[11:23] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, what does "uname -a" report ?
[11:24] <markguy9_> but Linux laptop 4.4.0-103-generic #126-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 4 16:23:28 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:24] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, yes, I can relate to that. EPEL usually has more coherence than when using cobbled together packages as ppa...
[11:24] <markguy9_> how do I upgrade the kernal
[11:24] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, so "sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge"
[11:25] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, it's just a package after all :-)
[11:25] <markguy9_> 320 MB package..
[11:25] <markguy9_> haha
[11:25] <TJ-> markguy9_: this will add the 4.13 kernel as used in Ubuntu 17.10
[11:25] <markguy9_> whats the differece between that and just upgradeing to 17?
[11:25] <TJ-> markguy9_: once it's installed, reboot to it and test your BT audio again
[11:26] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, did you read my troubles?
[11:26] <Nitrigaur> 17.10....
[11:26] <TJ-> markguy9_: all the OS packages are rock-solid 16.04 with long term support
[11:26] <TJ-> markguy9_: 17.10 suppport will expire in mid 2018
[11:26] <TJ-> markguy9_: the next long term support (LTS) is 18.04, to be released in April 2018
[11:27] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, do you yourself a favour and stay off 17.10 for now. I would consider it beta-quality at best right now.
[11:27] <bunnypuncher> yep and lot of vendor / oss projects are still using 14.04. or 16.04
[11:27] <markguy9_> okay so what do I do now?
[11:27] <markguy9_> I cancelled the install
[11:27] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, why?
[11:27] <TJ-> 17.10 is the first release that is (trying to) use Wayland for GUI too, which had brought a lot of regressions/problems
[11:27] <bunnypuncher> and I fought that a few times trying to be current with 17 but quickly learned it was stupid to rock the boat so to speak
[11:27] <markguy9_> I'm confused
[11:28] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, true, bot I have forced it to use Xorg instead.
[11:28] <bunnypuncher> like my dtrace testing is 14.04 based
[11:28] <TJ-> markguy9_: why did you cancel it? You're installing a newer kernel, you're NOT installing 17.10 :)
[11:28] <TJ-> markguy9_: the kernel is v4.13, which is *used* in 17.10, but you're not installing 17.10 so don't worry
[11:29] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, bunnypuncher, markguy9_ , I'm going for some lunch, be right back after that.
[11:29] <markguy9_> Oh right haha
[11:29] <bunnypuncher> not one 1 issue but tried it on 17.10 first oh boy what a massive headache and waste of time
[11:29] <markguy9_> sorry I paniced
[11:29] <bunnypuncher> ok take care Nitrigaur if I don't see ya when you get back happy holidays
[11:29] <TJ-> markguy9_:  :D breath and relax
[11:29] <markguy9_> thanks again for the help
[11:29] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: save some for me!
[11:30] <markguy9_> Uhm I have a problem
[11:30] <markguy9_> it won't upgrade the kernel now...
[11:30] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, You too, Thanks!
[11:30] <TJ-> markguy9_: because you cancelled it? what's the error message(s) ?
[11:30] <bunnypuncher> markguy9_ don't panic over Linux issues just learn anything can be solved just need the knowledge since you have the code.
[11:30] <markguy9_> haha I know
[11:30] <markguy9_> I'm sorry :(
[11:30] <markguy9_> linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge is already the newest version (4.13.0.21.27).
[11:31] <TJ-> markguy9_: Try "sudo apt-get -f install" to ensure it's all sorted... that message tells you it installed before you cancelled
[11:31] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, don't be sorry, everyone has to start somewhere. Have fun on the road to knowledge about Linux.
[11:31] <bunnypuncher> I had used to do stack traces of Solaris kernel panics with 1000 people waiting to get back on the system.  It can get stressful but at least in Unix /Linux it can be solved vs Winblows just reboot and pray
[11:32] <Nitrigaur> OK, off to lunch, see you soon.
[11:32] <markguy9_> apt or apt-get
[11:33] <markguy9_> I'm getting this error E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[11:33] <markguy9_> E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:33] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: yes, that's what I love about Linux; do some learning, you can dig into any problem to infinite depth, use the source, and patch problems immediately without relying on some other organisation's priorities (e.g. Microsoft, Apple)
[11:33] <TJ-> markguy9_: you're using "sudo" ?
[11:33] <markguy9_> This is what I'm running sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[11:34] <TJ-> markguy9_: ok, I suspect your GUI package manager is running right now, and has the lock. give it a few moments and try again
[11:34] <markguy9_> haha eish
[11:34] <bunnypuncher> I can't even get Windows people to consider they have the same processes and internals that can be looked at to solve the oh we just reboot problem.  But can't get them to look into
[11:34] <bunnypuncher> I just don't understand
[11:34] <TJ-> markguy9_: maybe check if there's GUI dialog from updates manager hidden behind some other window
[11:35] <markguy9_> can't see anything
[11:35] <bunnypuncher> I gave an attempt to learn windows internals since why but just couldn't stand it
[11:35] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: yes, I used to support Windows OS and had to reverse-engineer to get to bugs which was so frustrating, eventually gave up on Windows in 2004 and moved totally to Linux
[11:36] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: but I can still tell you how to navigate the registry with my eyes closed :D
[11:36] <markguy9_> can it run in the background of terminal
[11:36] <bunnypuncher> I was looking into Win sever 2012  and 2016 and man MS has made lot of progress on there servers and internals
[11:36] <bunnypuncher> and they have awesome debug tools
[11:37] <TJ-> markguy9_: no... if it's still reporting it, check for some process running with "pastebinit <( ps -efly | egrep '(apt|update)' )"
[11:37] <markguy9_> I'm so scared that if I restart now it will never turn on again :(
[11:37] <TJ-> markguy9_: don't panic, just collect evidence and make decisions based on it
[11:37] <markguy9_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26238150/
[11:37] <markguy9_> haha :)
[11:38] <markguy9_> Thanks
[11:38] <bunnypuncher> TJ- I hear ya tried same thing gave up in frustration
[11:38] <markguy9_> wtf is avahi?
[11:38] <bunnypuncher> oh hear is a good story about scared to rebot
[11:38] <TJ-> markguy9_: you've got an existing apt install running, as you can see. when you said you cancelled it, how did you do that? Ctrl+C in the terminal window?
[11:39] <markguy9_> Yes
[11:39] <markguy9_> Control c
[11:39] <markguy9_> and control x
[11:39] <TJ-> markguy9_: it's the multicast-DNS service for discovering devices on the network with zero configuration required
[11:39] <markguy9_> escape button a few times
[11:39] <markguy9_> clear
[11:39] <markguy9_> etc
[11:39] <bunnypuncher> my mentor / unix gray beard wizard that I worked had AIX server that had up time of 5 years going on 6 years
[11:39] <TJ-> markguy9_: Oh gawd!!!
[11:39] <markguy9_> haha I'm sorry
[11:39] <bunnypuncher> and no one at the company was still around that setup the stuff and hardward up
[11:40] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, "sudo pkill apt" to try to terminate that process, then "ps -efly | grep apt" to see if it has gone
[11:40] <bunnypuncher> but my Guru friend kept telling don't it will be fine when we need to finally reboot for patches
[11:40] <bunnypuncher> don't worry
[11:40] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: yes, which is when you discover documentation is king :)
[11:40] <bunnypuncher> yea sure would have been nice to have
[11:41] <markguy9_> the install wont go away
[11:41] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: I do like Linux live-patching feature
[11:41] <bunnypuncher> he just knew unix so well he was 100% confident what ever came up he could fix it
[11:41] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, do this "sudo kill -KILL 8530"
[11:41] <bunnypuncher> as you get to know it better you get that same confidence
[11:42] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: Canonical offers kernel live-patching bundles as part of the 'Advantage' support package
[11:42] <bunnypuncher> now 20 years latter I feel that same way
[11:42] <markguy9_> okay it seems to be gone now
[11:42] <TJ-> markguy9_: ok, "sudo apt -f install" to ensure the system state is good
[11:43] <markguy9_> its busy..
[11:43] <bunnypuncher> but some issues are indeed harder than others that's for sure
[11:43] <markguy9_> so clearly it was not
[11:43] <markguy9_> haha
[11:43] <TJ-> markguy9_: and no cancelling it!
[11:43] <markguy9_> haha yes sir
[11:44] <markguy9_> I don't know how this stuff doesn't stress you guys out
[11:44] <markguy9_> haha Okay its finished
[11:44] <markguy9_> should I run it again
[11:44] <markguy9_> just to be sure
[11:44] <markguy9_> haha
[11:44] <bunnypuncher> this one issue was a particular mess we had admin as root think he was in a subdir and was actually in / and did mv * /some/down/the/tree on the running system
[11:45] <markguy9_> bunnypuncher omg, i would cry
[11:45] <markguy9_> worst I have done is mogrify on my images dir thinking I was in a sub dir
[11:45] <bunnypuncher> and we had time to get the sick feeling cuz the system did run for a few mintues until a kernel panic hit
[11:46] <markguy9_> haha that was a little bad. but at least I had previews of the images I used to have lol
[11:46] <bunnypuncher> wasn't until it hit the /dev tree that it all went south
[11:46] <TJ-> markguy9_: no, you can reboot now and test BBT audio again
[11:46] <markguy9_> Oh I totally forgot about the BT... its still stuttering haha
[11:47] <bunnypuncher> that was my first real trial by fire way of learning be careful as root
[11:48] <bunnypuncher> have you tried some of the settings in main.conf
[11:48] <TJ-> this is where apparmor/selinux can help... you can set rules preventing such things
[11:49] <TJ-> markguy9_: after the reboot do your BT audio tests, if it still chops/stutters, we'll dig further
[11:49] <bunnypuncher> exactly now a won't have those stories anymore
[11:49] <markguy9> I'm back
[11:49] <bunnypuncher> and you know how you usually hear of people doing rm /
[11:50] <bunnypuncher> but mv / is a bad one too lol
[11:50] <markguy9> Something has definitely changed cause my screens moved positions
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[11:50] <markguy9> okay the BT was working so I have paused the music to see if it goes wonky again
[11:50] <bunnypuncher> stuff still happens by accident
[11:50] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: I was working on a tool some time ago where a container was kept in sync with the host, and you executed commands in the container and had a time delay before the same command was executed on the host, so you could cancel in an emergency. You'd work in the container always so as long as things were good you had no delays waiting for commands to finish in most cases
[11:51] <bunnypuncher> I do like 3 backups of everything cuz of these stories
[11:51] <markguy9> haha good call
[11:52] <bunnypuncher> but just the other day I was in emacs and system lagged a bit wan't being care I was in dired and hit the wrong keybind and del 10gig of files that hadn't really hit backup hit
[11:52] <bunnypuncher> yet
[11:52] <bunnypuncher> I was doh
[11:52] <bunnypuncher> TJ-  you are filled with good process the git on /etc and this tool
[11:53] <bunnypuncher> have to pop in here and learn some more of this stuff
[11:53] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: When you've spent time on IRC you soon realise a fool and his common-sense are easily parted, so you need defense in depth!
[11:53] <Li> is it possible to make restore point right before trying installing a new application to bring the system exactly as it was before installing the app?
[11:54] <bunnypuncher> yea I've never been too big on IRC
[11:54] <TJ-> Li: it is, if you're using LVM or a file-system that supports snapshots
[11:54] <bunnypuncher> just from time to time goes in phases
[11:54] <markguy9> Are you guys on discord?
[11:54] <Li> no LVM here ext4
[11:55] <bunnypuncher> so doubt you would have ZFS or btrs either then
[11:55] <Li> TJ-: what/how to do those snapshots?
[11:55] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: I think I started with IRC around '93/'94 and it's the perfect blend of high signal-to-noise ratio and low bandwidth for use in almost all circumstances
[11:56] <bunnypuncher> my wife was big time into IRC during those years
[11:56] <bunnypuncher> on undernet
[11:56] <TJ-> Li: ext4 doesn't support snapshots I'm afraid. Are you installing a package from the repositories, or some 3rd party package?
[11:56] <Li> repos
[11:56] <TJ-> markguy9: hows the BT audio now?
[11:57] <bunnypuncher> Li you could to old school back of before the change like tar / dd /cpio
[11:57] <markguy9> It did something different now
[11:57] <markguy9> it Just swapped back to the computer sound
[11:57] <markguy9> So I turned the headphones off and then on again and now it does want to connect to them again
[11:58] <bunnypuncher> even saying that seems so old school after using VM for so long with snapshots
[11:58] <TJ-> Li: then in theory there shouldn't be a problem in removing the system-wide installation if you want to roll-back. However, if the application writes per-user configs under $HOME those won't be removed. If you want to protect your current $HOME I'd suggest creating a new user account and using that to test the application in
[11:58] <markguy9> It says its connected but it doesn't show up in the sound options list
[11:58] <TJ-> markguy9: that sounds like a problem with the GUI sound device list not getting updated, not a BT issue
[11:59] <TJ-> markguy9: what desktop environment are you using? Unity?
[11:59] <bunnypuncher> I mirror the boot drive before system wide change that I'm nervous about
[11:59] <markguy9> yea sadly
[11:59] <markguy9> I don't know if I'm brave enough to change
[11:59] <markguy9> I feel like things will break
[11:59] <TJ-> markguy9: OK, I can't help you so much with that, I've never used Unity or Gnome
[11:59] <markguy9> Wow what do you use?
[12:00] <TJ-> markguy9: but try this: log-out your user and log-in again, see if the GUI then DOES show your BT headset
[12:00] <bunnypuncher> Ubuntu supports running multiple and give you the ability to swich on the login screen
[12:00] <bunnypuncher> trust it is safe
[12:00] <TJ-> markguy9: mainly console/terminal, often with Lubuntu/Xubuntu, but I work out of tmux/shell almost all the time
[12:01] <bunnypuncher> Ubuntu = solid packages.  Just install the package set for the other DE and it will show up on the login screen as option to login to either
[12:01] <markguy9_> Hi again
[12:01] <markguy9_> just realised that something you guys told me has fixed my desktop background
[12:01] <markguy9_> yay thanks for that
[12:01] <TJ-> markguy9 this sounds like a Unity sound device issue, or possibly a pulseaudio BT module issue, bunnypuncher would you agree?
[12:02] <markguy9_> woah
[12:02] <markguy9_> my sound settings icon has gone
[12:02] <kyentei> Hi all. Since today, whenever I run 'sudo -i', I get 'No protocol specified' and 'xprop:  unable to open display ':0''. This displays on every command that I run. If I use sudo su or sudo bash, this doesn't occur. I am on wayland
[12:02] <markguy9_> volumn icon
[12:02] <markguy9_> so weird
[12:02] <bunnypuncher> yea now that its fix at the bt module level  that would be next logical
[12:02] <TJ-> markguy9_: hmmm, so the earlier issues you talked of with desktop problems may be your last remaining problem to fix
[12:02] <bunnypuncher> step
[12:03] <markguy9_> okay so install gnome and ditch unity?
[12:03] <TJ-> markguy9_: this is why I dislike GUIs, so difficult to easily diagnose these kind of issues, since often there is a lot of inter-process communication going on via D-Bus
[12:03] <bunnypuncher> markguy9_ do yourself a favor and try out at least the big DE like KDE / GNOME / XFCE at the least
[12:04] <TJ-> markguy9_: NO! don't blindly install/remove things!
[12:04] <bunnypuncher> and you decide which you like the best
[12:04] <bunnypuncher> they are pretty different and people have strong opinions of what they like best
[12:04] <TJ-> markguy9_: does 'blueman' show the BT headset is connected right now?
[12:04] <bunnypuncher> right only the Ubuntu package sets
[12:04] <markguy9_> I don't think I have blueman anymore
[12:04] <brainwash> kyentei: did you maybe make changes to root's .bashrc?
[12:04] <bunnypuncher> nothing outside of that till you get exp
[12:05] <TJ-> markguy9_: Try typing it's name in the Dash
[12:05] <markguy9_> yea I don't have it anymore
[12:05] <jeremies> How to save state of the virtual machine automatically when the host shutdowns (in virtualbox)?
[12:05] <TJ-> markguy9_: You re-installed it earlier if you followed bunnypuncher's instructions
[12:05] <bunnypuncher> The big 3 package sets in ubuntu are pretty safe
[12:05] <markguy9_> I didn't haha
[12:05] <TJ-> markguy9_: "sudo apt install blueman"
[12:05] <markguy9_> I wan't to try get the core working first
[12:06] <markguy9_> which it is now :)
[12:06] <kyentei> brainwash, root's bashrc is equal to my own user's bashrc. It is in fact a symlink. Nothing has changed there
[12:06] <bunnypuncher> right you are at clean slate from bluetooth module level
[12:06] <kyentei> brainwash, Only thing I did today was install Steam.
[12:06] <markguy9_> howcome you type apt and not apt-get
[12:06] <bunnypuncher> oh don't install extra stuff during a problem
[12:06] <TJ-> markguy9_: 'apt' is the 'user' facing tool; 'apt-get' is more for use in scripts
[12:06] <bunnypuncher> I didn't mean now
[12:06] <kyentei> brainwash, I've removed every dotfile from /root/ except for .ssh, which did nothing either
[12:06] <brainwash> kyentei: steam may have altered the file, or?
[12:07] <bunnypuncher> sorry didn't even think that might get mis interpreted
[12:07] <kyentei> brainwash, The bashrc doesn't look altered. And I've started a shell without .bashrc present
[12:07] <markguy9_> oh I ran gsettings set com.canonical.indicator.sound visible true to get my volume icon to come back
[12:07] <brainwash> kyentei: from the sound of it has to be related to the steam installation, or?
[12:08] <kyentei> brainwash, That's what I suspect, but I can't be entirely sure. Maybe some xorg packages that came installed with it. I've checked the dpkg.log and purged every package that came with Steam though
[12:08] <akik> kyentei: there's a change in wayland's security model for gui apps but i don't think it should show up on sudo -i yet
[12:08] <Necm> hi
[12:08] <akik> kyentei: you need to run "xhost +si:localuser:root" before running gui apps
[12:08] <Necm>  ki-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[12:08] <Necm> what can I do ?
[12:09] <kyentei> akik, But I'm not running GUI apps. It even shows this error on a simple 'ls'
[12:09] <kyentei> In fact, it shows it once before the ls output, and twice after the ls output
[12:09] <kyentei> Running the xhost command doesn't resolve the issue either
[12:09] <akik> kyentei: (i meant root gui apps)
[12:09] <bunnypuncher> again I would defer to TJ- as I haven't used Unity very much.  I use Xfce mostly with Cinnimon and mate sometimes
[12:10] <TJ-> markguy9_: you're able to test the BT audio now ?
[12:10] <kyentei> akik, I get ya - but that's not what I'm trying to do.
[12:10] <bunnypuncher> but Unity could be in the mix here
[12:10] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: don't defer to me when it comes to Unity, that's the Blind leading the blind!
[12:10] <kyentei> akik, This error is displayed at whatever I type into my root shell if I enter it with sudo -i
[12:10] <bunnypuncher> so we are like 3 blind mice
[12:10] <markguy9_> It says that the headset is connected but it doesn't come up in the sound options https://pasteboard.co/GZxgimw.png
[12:11] <markguy9_> This is very simmilar to the state I was in with 14.04
[12:11] <akik> kyentei: compare your "env" when you have your normal user account and when you've run "sudo -i"
[12:11] <bunnypuncher> so markguy9_ are you checking logs and dmesg
[12:11] <bunnypuncher> as things are getting tested something new might show up
[12:12] <markguy9_> Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x1405 tx timeout
[12:12] <Necm> .
[12:12] <TJ-> kyentei: did you say you symlinked /root/.bashrc to /home/$USER/.bashrc ?
[12:13] <TJ-> markguy9_: give me a minute or two, I'm going to search for unity bugs with sound settings
[12:14] <markguy9_> Thanks TJ
[12:14] <markguy9_> I really think that its connecting properly now
[12:14] <markguy9_> I think its a problem that it doesn't show up in the sound output options
[12:14] <TJ-> markguy9_: yes, the problem now seems to be that either pulseaudio, or the sound-settings GUI, isn't rediscovering the device
[12:14] <bunnypuncher> but it does still stutter
[12:15] <bunnypuncher> check /var/log/Xorg.log
[12:15] <bunnypuncher> see if anything didn't load right in X
[12:15] <kyentei> TJ-, Yeah, it is symlinked. But it doesn't change anything if I remove it - and it's worked before. I am aware of the security risk it imposes.
[12:15] <kyentei> akik, Checking right now.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:15] <markguy9_> I don't know if it stutters or not, I cant reconnect to it
[12:15] <markguy9_> Well it says its connected by I cant play through it anymore
[12:16] <kyentei> akik, I've diffed them but there's nothing that stands out to me
[12:16] <bunnypuncher> and volume / battery all that stuff is good still ?
[12:16] <akik> kyentei: check if you have root owned files in your $HOME
[12:17] <bunnypuncher> so not being able to play could be permission issue to device
[12:17] <markguy9_> this is just stuper glitchy
[12:17] <bunnypuncher> won't hurt to check the audio device file make sure it is accessable
[12:17] <markguy9_> super
[12:18] <markguy9_> I have no idea whether its connected or not now
[12:18] <kyentei> akik, just .lesshst
[12:18] <kyentei> akik, You mean my user $HOME right?
[12:18] <markguy9_> In the bluetooth dropdown list it says connected
[12:18] <bunnypuncher> yea I can't say I've ever seen this much issue with headphones ever before
[12:18] <markguy9_> but it usually has a lock sign when its connected
[12:18] <TJ-> markguy9_: try disconnect/reconnect
[12:18] <markguy9_> haha I know right
[12:19] <markguy9_> anyone want to buy a pair of skullcandy bluetooth headphones
[12:19] <bunnypuncher> I use the old school plugs or usb
[12:19] <markguy9_> they're really nice when they work... haha
[12:19] <akik> kyentei: yes. have you made changes to your shell startup files? $DISPLAY, $XAUTHORITY
[12:19] <bunnypuncher> didn't they come with cable kit too?
[12:19] <markguy9_> I'm not sure whether to use blueman or normal bluetooth anymore...
[12:20] <kyentei> akik, I haven't personally.
[12:20] <markguy9_> Nope, just bluetooth
[12:20] <bunnypuncher> I've fought sound card issues / amp issues / speaker issues but headphones is one of those gott thing just usually works
[12:21] <markguy9_> is there something I can type to see if they are actually connected?
[12:21] <kyentei> akik, I'll try and create a new user, and see if the problem occurs there
[12:21] <bunnypuncher> wouldn't hurt to see if the same issue happens in Xfce
[12:21] <bunnypuncher> it is small and would load fast and provide alt DE to unity
[12:21] <TJ-> markguy9_: "bluetoothctl" then "devices" identify your device MAC address then "info <mac-address>"
[12:21] <markguy9_> they appear under the devices list
[12:22] <markguy9_> Device FC:A8:9A:4F:20:18 Uproar Wireless
[12:22] <kyentei> akik, I've created a new user, logged in there, and used sudo -i. Same happens
[12:22] <markguy9_> is there something I can type to activate them
[12:22] <markguy9_> haha
[12:22] <bunnypuncher> what about trying that Device in main.conf
[12:22] <markguy9_> just taking a chance
[12:22] <kyentei> That's a user with an empty $HOME (except for what's in /etc/skel, obviously)
[12:22] <bunnypuncher> you can try:  bluetoothctl
[12:23] <bunnypuncher> see if they are activated that way
[12:23] <markguy9_> oh then they are activate
[12:23] <markguy9_> oh then they are activated
[12:23] <TJ-> markguy9_: I've activated my own BT headset here, going to test since we have the same kernel and OS versions
[12:24] <markguy9_> Only possible difference being that I upgraded from 14.04
[12:24] <bunnypuncher> I was gonna grab my son's try and replicate the problem but forgot he got rid of his bluetooh headphone to go back to usb ones
[12:24] <bunnypuncher> different reason battery and cable worn out :)
[12:24] <markguy9_> haha was he having the same problem? haha
[12:24] <akik> kyentei: did the steam install add some files to /etc/profile.d ?
[12:24] <markguy9_> cable worn out on bluetooth headphones?
[12:25] <bunnypuncher> but he is WinBlows user cuz of games
[12:25] <TJ-> markguy9_: so the problem is if you pause/stop audio then later play something else? or is it after you disconnect the headset then reconnect it?
[12:25] <markguy9_> fair enough
[12:25] <bunnypuncher> the charge one
[12:25] <markguy9_> both
[12:25] <bunnypuncher> actually cat chewed the charge cable too
[12:25] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, testing now
[12:25] <markguy9_> if I stop the music for a few minutes then it starts stuttering if I play it again
[12:25] <kyentei> akik, Nothing new there. If I login directly as root from TTY, it doesn't occur either.
[12:26] <kyentei> Then again, thats' TTY...
[12:26] <markguy9_> also if I disconnect the headphones its impossible to reconnect them again without restarted
[12:26] <markguy9_> also if I disconnect the headphones its impossible to reconnect them again without restarting
[12:26] <bunnypuncher> had cat chew a 20 dollar usb cable the other day ggrrrrr
[12:26] <Necm>  ki-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[12:27] <bunnypuncher> hmm Necm sounds like something is full of it
[12:27] <markguy9_> Also now when I try and pair the device from blueman then it says failed to add devifde
[12:27] <markguy9_> device
[12:28] <Necm> how can i solve this problem ?
[12:28] <bunnypuncher> and Skull candy are expensive nice headset
[12:28] <TJ-> markguy9_: for the choppy/stutter issue, when it next happens grab the last entries from the kernel log ("pastebinit <( tail -n 250 /var/log/kern.log )"
[12:28] <TJ-> markguy9_: I've tried both processes so far without a problem,although I had to use bluetoothctl to pair - blueman kept failing at that
[12:28] <kyentei> akik, It seems as though something is calling xprop, now I need to find out what...
[12:29] <markguy9_> Dec 23 14:27:29 laptop bluetoothd[1059]: FC:A8:9A:4F:20:18: error updating services: Connection timed out (110)
[12:29] <TJ-> Necm: /tmp/ has run out of space, check with "df -h" and look for mounts with 100% use
[12:29] <markguy9_> error trying to connect via bluetoothctl
[12:29] <TJ-> markguy9_: how far away is the BT speaker from the PC?
[12:30] <markguy9_> about 40cm
[12:30] <Necm> TJ- : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26238369/
[12:31] <Necm> /dev/vda1
[12:31] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, so unlikely to be interference. Try this: "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service"
[12:31] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, Skull candy are mostly about looks, not so much the sound.
[12:32] <TJ-> Necm: right, so you need to clear some space
[12:32] <Necm> how ?
[12:32] <markguy9_> I got mine for R600
[12:32] <markguy9_> which is about $45
[12:32] <markguy9_> Uproad wireless, not bad sound
[12:32] <TJ-> Necm: well, I presume you installed stuff/created lots of data. You need to remove unneeded packages/files
[12:33] <Necm> /dev$ cd vda1
[12:33] <Necm>  Not a directory
[12:33] <markguy9_> TJ- how did you pair with bluetooth in terminal
[12:33] <Nitrigaur> Does anyone know a way to permanently limit Xorg CPU usage?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> add a pcie gpu
[12:35] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur what is the goal limiting Xorg cpu?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> if possible
[12:35] <kyentei> akik, I've resolved it by adding "export DISPLAY=" to /root/.profile
[12:35] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur I dunno my kids go all nuts about them
[12:36] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur just over priced crap imo
[12:36] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, to prevent it consuming 100% CPU at any time and thereby making troubleshooting needlessly painful.
[12:36] <bunnypuncher> like old schol woofers not headphones
[12:37] <markguy9_> okay so I can't start the bluetooth again
[12:37] <markguy9_> after trying to restart
[12:38] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, indeed, it's just the image. SC has great marketing and some genuinely nice designs (when looks are concerned). I like the Sony, B & W and Sennheiser headphones.
[12:38] <TJ-> markguy9_: "bluetoothctl" "agent KeyboardDisplay" "default-agent" "scan on" identify MAC address of headset "pair <MAC-address>" then "trust <MAC-address>" *note: Tab-completion works for MAC addresses
[12:38] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur you should look into nice,  cpulimit, and linux control groups
[12:39] <mlrn> hi there. kernel 4.10.0-40 -> 4.10.0-42 on 17.04 has a regression; HDMI on intel 4400 stops working.
[12:39] <bunnypuncher> sudo cpulimit --pid 17918 --limit 50
[12:39] <TJ-> markguy9_: if device is already connected then "devices" ID the headset then "remove <MAC-address>" first
[12:39] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I've tried nice and cpulimit. Both did not work in my case. Linux control groups it is..
[12:39] <bunnypuncher> where pid is X
[12:40] <markguy9_> I cant get the bluetooth to turn on anymore
[12:40] <bunnypuncher> controls are only sure fire way
[12:40] <markguy9_> I'm going to try remove the audio.conf and the main.conf and see if it starts
[12:40] <TJ-> markguy9_: "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service"
[12:40] <bunnypuncher> those all ones i know of
[12:40] <TJ-> markguy9_: DON'T randomly remove stuff!
[12:40] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, is the .service suffix really necessary?
[12:40] <markguy9_> It doesn't start again after I type that command
[12:41] <bunnypuncher> listen to TJ- he knows his stuff
[12:41] <TJ-> markguy9_: what isn't starting? the GUI or the BT device itself? how about "bluetoothctl" then "power on" ?
[12:41] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: I've found so more often than not, but it may do best-guess completion if there's no ambiguity
[12:42] <bunnypuncher> we already reset the configure properly earlier
[12:42] <bunnypuncher> there is no benefit from doing it again
[12:43] <markguy9_> Failed to set power on: org.bluez.Error.Failed
[12:43] <TJ-> markguy9_: BTW, when using "bluetoothctl" "help" lists the available commands; "quit" returns to the shell
[12:43] <TJ-> markguy9_: thank-you! we now have some data!
[12:43] <TJ-> markguy9_: show us  "pastebinit <( tail -n 400 /var/log/kern.log )"
[12:44] <markguy9_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26238415/
[12:45] <bunnypuncher> open browser tabs sure do build up fast these days
[12:45] <bunnypuncher> browsers need a tmux like add on
[12:46] <TJ-> markguy9_: line 179 "Dec 23 13:56:54 laptop kernel: [  561.364139] Bluetooth: hci0 killing stalled connection fc:a8:9a:4f:20:18"
[12:46] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, Firefox Pocket gets close to the functionality of tmux in some aspects
[12:46] <TJ-> markguy9_: what is the make/model of the BT speaker?
[12:46] <markguy9_> best tool I've seen for browser tabs if you're using chrome is sessionbuddy
[12:46] <markguy9_> skull candy
[12:47] <bunnypuncher> I'll have to check that out
[12:47] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, what model, please?
[12:47] <markguy9_> uproar wireless
[12:47] <bunnypuncher> that's why I like these channels learn cool little tips
[12:47] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, okay, any mode numbers?
[12:47] <bunnypuncher> I'm still awestruck by TJ- /etc one
[12:48] <markguy9_> https://www.amazon.com/Skullcandy-Uproar-Bluetooth-Wireless-Headphones/dp/B00WGM39QM
[12:48] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, okay, any model numbers
[12:48] <Nitrigaur> Allright, that's sorted
[12:48] <Nitrigaur> Alright, that's sorted
[12:49] <bunnypuncher> oh those are the now infamous headphones of linux nightmare
[12:49] <markguy9_> Ooops its these ones. I think they're the same though https://www.amazon.com/Skullcandy-Uproar-Bluetooth-Wireless-Headphones/dp/B013UQN7JG?th=1
[12:49] <markguy9_> hahaha yea!
[12:49] <markguy9_> Good headphones for $35 though
[12:49] <bunnypuncher> I'll have to post really shitty review
[12:49] <bunnypuncher> lol
[12:50] <markguy9_> hahaha
[12:50] <markguy9_> Should I post a question on amazon
[12:50] <bunnypuncher> maybe some of the amazon back end linux guys are true gurus
[12:50] <bunnypuncher> doubt they look at head compliants but maybe
[12:51] <markguy9_> haha
[12:51] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, Amazon AWS is not directly related to the Amazon shops...
[12:51] <bunnypuncher> I know just same parent company
[12:51] <bunnypuncher> pretty independant
[12:52] <bunnypuncher> I had couple of people I know work there
[12:52] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, good connections?
[12:53] <bunnypuncher> one was 14 year kid back when got started running an isp in 1996 now he is like 35 year GA tech masters in compouter science guru
[12:53] <bunnypuncher> nerdy kid like hanging us cuz we used BSDi unix and had internet
[12:53] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, ah, I started out at an ISP myself :-)
[12:54] <bunnypuncher> he was sharp even at 14
[12:54] <bunnypuncher> an I didn't see him for 20 years then talked to him all grown up and team lead of AWS stuff
[12:54] <TJ-> markguy9_: do this: "sudo modprobe -r btusb; sudo modprobe btusb reset=1"
[12:54] <bunnypuncher> strange
[12:54] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, ATM Frame-Relay stuff, RFC1483, xDSL. Pretty much obsolete nowadays with glass fiber ruling supreme.
[12:55] <markguy9_> when trying to run sudo hciconfig hci0 up
[12:55] <bunnypuncher> yea I know so much of the stuff I loved now obsolete :(
[12:55] <markguy9_> I get Can't init device hci0: Connection timed out (110)
[12:55] <TJ-> guys, can we take the non-support chat to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[12:55] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, right
[12:55] <bunnypuncher> sorry good point my aplologiez
[12:55] <Nitrigaur> me too.
[12:56] <TJ-> markguy9_: OK, so this looks like something in the hardware might not be behaving. show me "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[12:56] <markguy9_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26238466/
[12:56] <TJ-> markguy9_: give me a few mins, it could take some time to digest :)
[12:57] <markguy9_> Haha I was just saying to my friend, that that looks impossible to read
[12:57] <TJ-> markguy9_: this is why I love Linux, it tells you everything you need to know, no guessing if you know where to look for the info
[12:57] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, wouldn't it be better to setup a watch and see what happens after trying to activate BT? That way you can narrow it down a bit.
[12:58] <TJ-> markguy9_: not read it yet, but my gut is telline me the asus-bluetooth platform device is the cause of all this
[12:58] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: I want to see if any PCI/USB controller issues are reported
[12:58] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, a conflict between kernel mode drivers?
[12:58] <bunnypuncher> I thought there were firmware fixes for some issues like this
[13:00] <markguy9_> Its possible because a college is using lenovo and doesn't have the problem
[13:00] <bunnypuncher> this looks interesting thing
[13:00] <bunnypuncher> pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover
[13:00] <bunnypuncher> I didn't know about that
[13:01] <markguy9_> Failure: Module initialization failed
[13:01] <bunnypuncher> i think it is a package you don't have
[13:01] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, does it work correctlu under "the other OS"?
[13:01] <bunnypuncher> but listen to TJ- don't go install too many strange packages
[13:01] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, does it work correctly under "the other OS"?
[13:02] <TJ-> hmmm line 978 "[    2.068425] input: Asus Wireless Radio Control as ..." ... so we have a 3rd radio frequency device present. keep in mind in case it is using 2.4GHz band too
[13:02] <markguy9_> The other OS?
[13:02] <markguy9_> They work 100% on my phone
[13:03] <TJ-> yes, it's (line 1028)  "[    2.257149] input: Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0 as..."
[13:03] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, it probably is an integrated module supplying both Wifi and Bluetooth on the same daughterboard.
[13:03] <bunnypuncher> this is definitely in the range of hardware issue or kernel / module bug
[13:04] <Necm> cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[13:04] <Necm> same.. error
[13:04] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, but do they work properly on a Live DVD session, or in Windows (if that is still present on your machine)?
[13:05] <markguy9_> Ah I see, I don't have that available right now
[13:05] <Nitrigaur> That way we can rule out H/W issues of the daughterboard that supplies the BT functionality.
[13:06] <Nitrigaur> On your computer I mean, not the headphones.
[13:06] <TJ-> testing? did my link drop?
[13:06] <markguy9_> nope
[13:06] <bunnypuncher> well by hardware issue it would be more in the way the hardware presents info to the kernel or extra device info that seems to be creeping in
[13:07] <markguy9_> I found this online " hadn't thought that the Bluetooth module may not be working properly. It appears that the dell xps 15 bluetooth module doesn't load its firmware properly as shown by dmesg |grep "firmware load". ``` [84133.299481] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM-0a5c-6410.hcd failed with error -2 ``` Unfortunately the authentication error I get is immediate (not after a timeout waiting for the key to be entered
[13:07] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, ultimately that still relies on signal processing in software.
[13:07] <bunnypuncher> this is indeed a excellent problem you brought markguy9_
[13:07] <markguy9_> Haha yea I'm sorry
[13:07] <markguy9_> This is a little soul crushing
[13:07] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, Don't be, it's certainly not boring
[13:08] <markguy9_> Seems there may not be a pot of gold at the end of this rainbow haha
[13:08] <markguy9_> It's just so weird that it works when I restart
[13:09] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, Reminds me of PulseAudio conflicts with ALSA.
[13:09] <markguy9_> Yea sound is a tricky thing on ubuntu
[13:11] <markguy9_> Oh no
[13:11] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, What happened?
[13:11] <markguy9_> TJ- left haha
[13:11] <markguy9_> Oh hes back :)
[13:11] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, Only temporarily
[13:13] <TJ-> sorry, my iwlwifi decided to drop packets and I hadn't realised
[13:13] <TJ-> I'll post the messages that you maybe didn't get from reading the dmesg lof
[13:13] <TJ-> hmmm line 978 "[    2.068425] input: Asus Wireless Radio Control as ..." ... so we have a 3rd radio frequency device present. keep in mind in case it is using 2.4GHz band too
[13:13] <TJ-> yes, it's (line 1028)  "[    2.257149] input: Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0 as..."
[13:15] <TJ-> markguy9_: does this report anything? "lsmod | grep asus-wireless" ?
[13:16] <markguy9_> Nope
[13:16] <TJ-> markguy9_: ha, let's use an underscore instead:  "lsmod | grep asus_wireless" ?
[13:16] <markguy9_> asus_wireless          16384  0
[13:17] <markguy9_> someone online deleted ~/.config/pulse which apperently solved the issuse
[13:17] <TJ-> markguy9_: right, and that'll be creating those asus-bluetooth and asus-wlan devices that rfkill reports
[13:17] <markguy9_> issue.. should I try that
[13:17] <TJ-> markguy9_: try "sudo modprobe -r asus_wireless" then "sudo modprobe -r btusb" then "sudo modprobe btusb"
[13:18] <bunnypuncher> oh I stepped away you are looking at asus_wireless module source?
[13:18] <markguy9_> okay I ran that
[13:18] <markguy9_> now the bluetooth icon has gone away
[13:18] <markguy9_> I feel like thats progress
[13:18] <TJ-> bunnypuncher: no, but these platform drivers are known to sometimes conflict
[13:19] <TJ-> markguy9_: "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service"
[13:19] <bunnypuncher> I'm like like fan trying to follow along at home :)
[13:19] <markguy9_> [bluetooth]# power on No default controller available
[13:20] <TJ-> markguy9_: also "pastebinit <( rfkill list; journalctl -u bluetooth.service; tail -n 200 /var/log/kern.log )"
[13:20] <markguy9_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26238579/
[13:21] <TJ-> markguy9_: woooah! line 304 "[ 5436.126501] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at           (null)"
[13:22] <markguy9_> That seems bad
[13:22] <bunnypuncher> this one has me stumped and only next step I can think of involves the much deeper level of tracing.  Tj- is the loadable kernel profile method you mentioned documented in the normal kernel docs?
[13:22] <zap0> is there some samba folder sharing UI i can use, or do i have to edit text files like a neaderthal ?
[13:23] <TJ-> markguy9_: do you dual boot with Windows ?
[13:23] <Nitrigaur> zap0, I presume you mean GUI, not UI here?
[13:23] <markguy9_> Not a chance :)
[13:23] <bunnypuncher> zap0 There are some samba config editors.  However my experience using is not been that great.
[13:24] <TJ-> markguy9_: is windows still installed?
[13:24] <markguy9_> Nope
[13:24] <Nitrigaur> zap0, is the share you are trying to access member of a domain or workgroup?
[13:24] <markguy9_> Its a fresh HDD
[13:25] <TJ-> markguy9_: can you do a firmware update without windows? the PC is 2 years out of date, it reports "Hardware name: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. G551JM/G551JM, BIOS G551JM.202 07/17/2014" but the latest is v205 dated 2016-07-06 https://www.asus.com/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G551JM/HelpDesk_BIOS/
[13:25] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, markguy9_ try to use a Live DVD, than you can eliminate any modifications you made to the system as a cause.
[13:26] <TJ-> markguy9_: and the changelog for v204 says "Update EC FW" - which means the PC's Embedded Controller firmware, which is used by ACPI to manage devices
[13:26] <zap0> Nitrigaur, i have a lan,  some windows boxes on it   win1  win2   they have default WORKGROUP.    i want to make a folder in ~  sharable, so i can have the windows machines dump stuff in there
[13:27] <markguy9_> I don't had a bootdisc on hand will start putting on together
[13:27] <markguy9_> I don't know how to update firmware
[13:27] <Nitrigaur> zap0, so in effect you want to make your homedrive accessible to the Windows Networks service?
[13:28] <Nitrigaur> zap0, I recommend you only share a subdirectory and not the homedrive itself.
[13:28] <TJ-> markguy9_: the download file is a zip archive, inside is a single firmware image, so I'm guessing you could put that on a FAT32 USB device, or in the EFI system partition, and then use the PC's firmware update functions to locate that file and apply it
[13:29] <markguy9_> Oh my lord
[13:29] <markguy9_> You talking like bios stuff
[13:29] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, sure :-), only in your case it's EFI.
[13:30] <TJ-> markguy9_: Yes, the very first thing in many cases like this is to ensure the latest firmware is installed. Most modern systems have an easy way to install it from the firmware's own setup screens, without requiring an operating system
[13:30] <bunnypuncher> how is the the computer?
[13:30] <bunnypuncher> old
[13:30] <markguy9_> 3-4 years
[13:30] <markguy9_> I didn't even think about firmware
[13:30] <bunnypuncher> yea could use some updates in that case
[13:31] <markguy9_> I think ubuntu handled that.
[13:31] <zap0> Nitrigaur  i said "a folder in ~  sharable"   yes.. already using a single empty folder
[13:31] <Nitrigaur> zap0, phew :-)
[13:31] <bunnypuncher> this is definitely an edge case for kernel devs.  I really can see the need to have the hard to produce the code / replicate the issues
[13:32] <TJ-> markguy9_: page 89 of the user manual "To update the BIOS" at http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G551JM/0409_E9399_B.pdf
[13:32] <Nitrigaur> zap0, this link should work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20Create%20a%20Network%20Share%20Via%20Samba%20Via%20CLI%20(Command-line%20interface/Linux%20Terminal)%20-%20Uncomplicated,%20Simple%20and%20Brief%20Way!
[13:32] <bunnypuncher> It would be nice to have something bluetooth to follow along on
[13:32] <Nitrigaur> zap0, you can add the share to /etc/fstab if you want to make it permanent.
[13:33] <bunnypuncher> I love how the call the brief way but list 63 bullets
[13:33] <Nitrigaur> zap0, after that you can simply mount the mount point and /etc/fstab knows what to mount.
[13:34] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, yes, good one eh?
[13:35] <markguy9_> Eeeek
[13:35] <TJ-> bunnypuncher Nitrigaur I have to take my Huskies for a run, be about an hour. Can you guys guide markguy9_ through the firmware update process as per the links I've posted?
[13:35] <choki> Hell I've an issue with my ubuntu. I tried changing my hostname with `hostname` and also changed it in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts. But after reboot it still won't change. What could be wrong with it?
[13:35] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, sure
[13:35]  * TJ- runs off in harness :)
[13:35] <bunnypuncher> yea
[13:36] <Nitrigaur> choki, are you running NetworkManager?
[13:36] <markguy9_> TJ- thank you so much for all the help
[13:36] <markguy9_> I really appreciate all the time and effort you have put in
[13:37] <bunnypuncher> np sorry it is such a painful bug for you.
[13:37] <Nitrigaur> choki, what is the output of systemctl status NetworkManager
[13:37] <markguy9_> Haha I would have thought it would be more painful for you than for me
[13:38] <markguy9_> I at least have something to gain out of this
[13:38] <bunnypuncher> Nitrigaur I was about to type the same thing Nitrigaur but you beat me to the punch
[13:38] <Nitrigaur> choki, if it's running you can use nmtui to set the hostname through a ncurses interface.
[13:39] <markguy9_> Okay going to try this. Be back later, thanks bunnypuncher and Nitirigaur for all the help
[13:39] <bunnypuncher> Lucky for me this is a device tree I never use so I did learn some about the Bluetooth modules / packages / troublehooting procedures
[13:39] <markguy9_> It means a lot!
[13:39] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, good luck!
[13:39] <markguy9_> Don't say it like that
[13:39] <bunnypuncher> ok good luck man
[13:39] <Nitrigaur> Hehehe
[13:39] <markguy9_> makes me feel like I'm not going to be able to boot my computer after this hahaha
[13:40] <Nitrigaur> markguy9_, just dont't go rogue and randomly delete packages, mkay?
[13:40] <Nitrigaur> Drats, too late
[13:40] <Nitrigaur> choki, are you still there?
[13:41] <Nitrigaur> Oh well...
[13:41] <bunnypuncher> I had this very same issue choki is having before I knew NetManager very well
[13:42] <bunnypuncher> you change settings in /etc and by some strange act of the devil it would change itself back
[13:42] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, NetManager has been a pita, except when dealing with Wireless connections. I usually disable the service as part of server setup.
[13:43] <bunnypuncher> I felt the same way until one I said I'm gonna suck it up and learn NetManager
[13:43] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, so you also ignored the fat banner: **** DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE. It is automatically generated by Network Manager **** ?
[13:43] <bunnypuncher> then after I got the hang of it. I was like this isn't so bad
[13:44] <bunnypuncher> as did I.  as did i
[13:45] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, well last server I set up automagically got DHCP activated and got stuck with 2 IP adresses instead of one and faulty DNS. I couldn't figure out what caused it, so I simply disabled NetworkManager
[13:45] <TJ-> choki: changes in /etc/hosts should be to 127.0.1.1 and possibly ::1  also check /etc/nsswitch.conf has something like this for hosts: "hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
[13:45] <TJ-> and now I'm gone :)
[13:45] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, hav ea good run!
[13:45] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, have a good run!
[13:48] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, I do like the way that NetworkManager abridged network setup for those new to Linux, thereby avoiding having to hack about in about 4 different files strewn over the /etc tree. It makes it more accessible that way to newcomers.
[13:50] <bunnypuncher> how long has NetworkManager been out replace inetd.  like 5 -7 years. took that long for me to give it a chance
[13:52] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, NetworkManager has indeed been out for quite a while now. It's a shame that the main dev behind it is such a (*** peep ***).
[13:53] <Nitrigaur> bunnypuncher, care to join me in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[13:54] <bunnypuncher> yea good idea I fell like I might get on systemd / inetd rant
[13:54] <ibelonias> Hello, let's say my wifi network is awesomeWifi, when I try to click to connect there is an arrow next to awesomeWifi and when I click there is awesomeWifi1, awesomeWifi2 etc etc
[13:54] <ibelonias> any ideas what's wrong
[13:55] <Nitrigaur> ibelonias, probably multiple channels available, 2,4Mhz, 5GHz or probably a guest network on the same router.
[13:57] <ibelonias> Nitrigaur, any idea how to fix it ? It's my old laptop, don't rember which version of ubuntu running. I've been using Ubuntu for many years haven't seen anything like that
[13:59] <Nitrigaur> ibelonias, you could switch off the 5Ghz band in your Wifi definition. What is the main problem with it? Usually more bands means better connectivity.
[13:59] <meldron> hey guys, does anyone know how to configure wifi in ubutnu (no network manager) to connect with every available wifi dongle not a specific device id?
[14:00] <Nitrigaur> meldron, depends on what Wifi chipset you use. Is it wpa-supplicant compatible?
[14:02] <markguy9> OMG
[14:02] <markguy9> I think its working
[14:02] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, please define "it"
[14:03] <markguy9> EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
[14:03] <markguy9> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[14:03] <meldron> Nitrigaur: i configure the ssids and psks with wpa-supplicant but i am using interfaces.d to set up the networks
[14:04] <Nitrigaur> meldron, is NetworkManager running?
[14:04] <markguy9> ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
[14:04] <auronandace> markguy9: so it was a firmware issue all along?
[14:04] <markguy9> Yes
[14:05] <markguy9> hahhaa
[14:05] <markguy9> madness
[14:05] <ibelonias> Nitrigaur. I just deleted the connection data, network-service restart and fixed
[14:05] <meldron> Nitrigaur: it is
[14:05] <Nitrigaur> markguy9, great news man! I am happy it worked out fine, now don't go rogue and randomly delete files when you run into a similar issue, OK? ;-)
[14:05] <ibelonias> Anyone knows how to keep an ubuntu machine safe ? Check for viruses, trojan malware etc ?
[14:05] <markguy9> Good point
[14:06] <markguy9> ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
[14:06] <markguy9> THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH OAKS!!!!!!!!!
[14:06] <meldron> i defined the ssids i want to join in a wpa_supplicant.conf and i am using interfaces.d files to specify the wpa_sup conf for specific devices like this https://nopaste.xyz/?208c120892b4004c#LB7rsicEpqDV7dOwC01D34l324lmLB21ZtlT7TmBdys=
[14:07] <meldron> now i am looking for a more generic approach so that other dongles (e.g. deviceId2) work too
[14:07] <BluesKaj> heu=y markguy9 we appreciate your ensusiasm , but don't fill the chat with stuff
[14:07] <markguy9> Sorry :(
[14:07] <BluesKaj> even
[14:08] <Nitrigaur> ibelonias, use tripwire for servers, scan regularly with spamassin/ clamav, regularly scan for rootkits and other vulnerabilities using lynis or a similar tool
[14:08] <ibelonias> Nitrigaur thank you very much
[14:09] <ducasse> ibelonias: and most of all - keep your system up to date
[14:09] <Nitrigaur> ducasse, ++ :-D
[14:10] <ibelonias> thnx ducasse
[14:10] <choki> Nitrigaur: no it is ubuntu server, it is running networking.service
[14:12] <Nitrigaur> choki, hmm, odd, try to see if the network service actually uses the config file in the /proc/#pid> directory
[14:15] <choki> i dont know
[14:15] <choki> :/
[14:23] <Nitrigaur> choki, sorry for the late answer. Try ps aux| grep network.service to get the pid of the service
[14:26] <maret> hi, I would like to track how some of the processes takes resources of my ubunt 16.04 laptop. I am curious what would be easiest way to do that. Ideally I would run something in a background for a few hours which would gave some nice high level report  any ideas?
[14:29] <Nitrigaur> choki, you can also check if processes use a particular file by using: fuser <file that should accessed by service>
[14:53] <zap0> how do i start the synaptic thingy from the command line?        everything on the menubar is failing to start
[14:56] <TJ-> markguy9: Is it fixed? If so, what fixed it?
[15:00] <choki> Nitrigaur: so hard just dont know why it is not workin :/
[15:01] <northivanastan> zap0 why do you need synaptic? run synaptic-pkexec, thanks for waiting
[15:02] <TJ-> choki: what does "lsb_release -d" report ?
[15:03] <choki> TJ-: ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[15:03] <choki> it is a server and i just can not change hostname
[15:03] <TJ-> choki: OK, and is the PC using ifupdown or systemd-networkd to manage the network?
[15:03] <choki> evern after rebotos
[15:04] <choki> it is using networking.service
[15:04] <TJ-> choki: so ifupdown, via /etc/network/interfaces ?
[15:04] <choki> TJ-: ??
[15:05] <TJ-> choki: network is configured in /etc/network/interfaces file ?
[15:06] <choki> TJ-: yes, it is a hetzner.de server
[15:06] <TJ-> choki: Ahh, so this is a virtual machine?
[15:06] <TJ-> choki: what does "uname -a" report?
[15:08] <choki> TJ-:  yes it is virtual cx10
[15:08] <choki> 4.10.0-generic
[15:08] <choki> xD
[15:09] <choki> really weird issue
[15:10] <TJ-> choki: OK, and does this report anything? "ls /etc/default/dhcpcd"
[15:11] <choki> TJ-: there is no dhcpcd
[15:12] <TJ-> choki: Good, so we can rule that out.
[15:12] <TJ-> choki: is the network statically configured?
[15:12] <choki> TJ-: yes according to /etc/network/interfaces
[15:12] <choki> i just want to change hostname -.-
[15:13] <TJ-> choki: When you make the change in /etc/hostname and in /etc/hosts, after a reboot does the file contain the new name you set, or the old one you're trying to get rid of?
[15:15] <choki> TJ-: the new one, but the shell is still showing the old one
[15:15] <TJ-> choki: well, that's progress! what does "hostname" report ?
[15:15] <choki> TJ-: lol, it shows the new one :D
[15:16] <choki> but bashrc is default, i didnt touch it, and i changed the hostname once, but never again
[15:18] <TJ-> choki: OK, so the issue is not the hostname, but the shell config
[15:19] <TJ-> choki: so maybe the prompt is incorrectly set
[15:19] <TJ-> choki: what does this report: echo "$SHELL -- $PS1"
[15:21] <choki> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26239097/
[15:21] <choki> pretty much default i guess
[15:25] <TJ-> choki: no, that looks broken,
[15:25] <choki> O_o
[15:25] <TJ-> choki: there's some preamble there that the default 16.04 bashrc doesn't set
[15:25] <choki> TJ-: do you've a diff?
[15:26] <TJ-> choki: the leading "\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]" part is NOT in the /etc/skel/.bashrc on 16.04
[15:26] <TJ-> choki: in the script it should read "PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ '  "
[15:27] <TJ-> choki: you have that, but with the prefix I pointed out, which might (or might not) be causing the issue
[15:33] <choki> TJ-: where can i download your .bashrc?
[15:34] <choki> TJ-: im trying zsh then ...
[15:34] <ppf> there's nothing wrong with that prompt afaict
[15:34] <ppf> choki: can you past the output of that PS1 variable?
[15:34] <ppf> (or post it in here if it's one line)
[15:34] <TJ-> choki: the template is in /etc/skel/,bashrc on all systems?
[15:35] <choki> TJ-: it is the same i pasted before, /etc/skel/.bashrc is the same as ~/.bashrc
[15:35] <choki> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26239097/
[15:35] <ppf> choki: no, i meant how it looks like when unescaped
[15:35] <choki> output is user@host:~$
[15:35] <ppf> and host is wrong?
[15:35] <choki> but i set host to something different
[15:35] <choki> yeah
[15:35] <choki> it is still the old host
[15:36] <choki> no matter how often i change hostname
[15:36] <ppf> your shell is bash?
[15:36] <TJ-> choki: and you've rebooted ?
[15:36] <choki> yes
[15:36] <choki> sure
[15:36] <ppf> shouldn't be necessary but also can't hurt
[15:36] <TJ-> choki: "grep -rn PS1 $HOME"
[15:37] <choki> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26239190
[15:38] <BluesKaj> choki, check /etc/hosts as well
[15:38] <choki> TJ-: ppf thanks for helping me, but maybe i should just let it
[15:38] <TJ-> BluesKaj: we've been there, the system has the correct name; the issue is bash prompt not reflecting it
[15:39] <BluesKaj> reboot ?
[15:39] <ppf> choki: can you run just bash
[15:39] <ppf> ?
[15:39] <choki> i only run bash :D
[15:39] <ppf> no, run the command
[15:39] <ppf> now
[15:39] <choki> i did
[15:40] <ppf> echo $HOSTNAME?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> think it won't take until after a reboot
[15:40] <ppf> BluesKaj: they claimed they did reboot
[15:40] <TJ-> choki:  what does "echo $debian_chroot" report ?
[15:41] <TJ-> BluesKaj: it takes effect instantly
[15:41] <choki> just rebootet, still same olkd :/
[15:41] <choki> TJ-: nothing
[15:41] <choki> ppf: it shows the new hostname
[15:41] <BluesKaj> hmm, odd
[15:41] <choki> xD
[15:42] <TJ-> choki: good
[15:43] <TJ-> choki: you're connected over SSH yes?
[15:44] <ppf> choki: did you run hostname to change the hostname?
[15:44] <choki> TJ-: yes of course!
[15:44] <choki> ppf: of course!
[15:44] <ppf> and you're absolutely sure you've rebooted ? ;)
[15:44] <ppf> uptime?
[15:45] <TJ-> choki: what command do you use to connect, exactly (since it's possible to affect the PS1 prompt) ?
[15:45] <choki> ppf: yes :D
[15:45] <choki> ppf: 5 min uptime
[15:45] <choki> TJ-: ssh user@host
[15:45] <ppf> out of ideas then :)
[15:45] <choki> identifying with my ssh key
[15:46] <TJ-> choki: is your *local* ssh client a Linux PC too?
[15:46] <choki> TJ-: archlinux running urxvt and bash
[15:46] <TJ-> choki: check "cat ~/.ssh/environment" in case there's some environment being exported
[15:47] <choki> no such file on both
[15:47] <TJ-> choki: good
[15:49] <TJ-> choki: does zsh shell show the correct hostname?
[15:50] <choki> no
[15:50] <TJ-> choki: it shows the old hostname too?
[15:50] <TJ-> choki: what does this report: "grep 'hosts:' /etc/nsswitch.conf"
[15:51] <choki> TJ-: hosts: files dns
[15:52] <choki> TJ-: yes it shows the old :/
[15:52] <choki> i just hate -.-
[15:54] <TJ-> choki: show us "pastebinit <( cat /etc/network/interfaces; ip addr show; ps -efly | grep dhcp )"
[15:56] <choki> TJ-: i sent you in query :)
[15:56] <choki> im scared :S
[15:56] <TJ-> choki: I have private messages blocked; support is in the channel
[15:56] <choki> i'm scared to share :/
[15:56] <choki> maybe here are some hackzors :D
[15:57] <TJ-> choki: you've got a public server and you're scared someone will discover it's IP address?
[15:57] <choki> TJ-: im the only one knowing it
[15:57] <choki> TJ-: how would you know it otherwise? :D
[15:59] <choki> TJ-: i've ufw installed im scared im not elite pro :O
[16:01] <c0mrade> Hello.
[16:01] <c0mrade> Where can I download the gcc binary for an ubuntu os? Like an already compiled version?
[16:02] <c0mrade> I don't have access to apt-get and gcc is not installed. Am not a sudo user.
[16:02] <TJ-> c0mrade: from the archives
[16:02] <TJ-> c0mrade: use apt-offline
[16:03] <c0mrade> TJ-: What is the link for the archives? I tried searching google like 'gcc binary for ubuntu 16.04.2 64bit', nothing special...
[16:03] <TJ-> c0mrade: see https://github.com/rickysarraf/apt-offline
[16:03] <c0mrade> Also The program 'apt-offline' is currently not installed. To run 'apt-offline' please ask your administrator to install the package 'apt-offline'
[16:03] <TJ-> c0mrade: manually you can find the various packages are here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/
[16:06] <TJ-> choki: does "echo $HOSTNAME" report the new or old hostname?
[16:07] <c0mrade> TJ-: Which one should I choose? Is this the right one? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/
[16:07] <c0mrade> this is uname -a output
[16:07] <c0mrade> Linux bashed 4.4.0-62-generic #83-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 18 14:10:15 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:08] <c0mrade> VERSION_ID="16.04" Xenial Xerus
[16:08] <TJ-> c0mrade: you'll want one of the amd64.deb binary packages
[16:09] <c0mrade> There are multiple ones. so I just choose one of them.
[16:09] <Staubfinger> hey, my dad upgraded his ubuntu 16.04, and since then it doesnt boot anymore
[16:09] <TJ-> c0mrade: are you using the Ubuntu OS right now?
[16:10] <c0mrade> TJ-: Yes, oh I can't use dpkg to install a deb package if am not sudo right?
[16:10] <Staubfinger> i booted from a live medium and watched his /var/log/apt/history.log and can see what he upgraded. seems to be linux-headers/kernel stuff and some initramfd stuff.
[16:11] <Staubfinger> it also seems, that his /etc/fstab changed vom grub to efi(?) is this a common known problem?
[16:12] <TJ-> c0mrade: you should be able to create an unprivileged LXD container, within which you will have root, to get proper access. try "lxc launch ubuntu:16.04 myubuntu"
[16:12] <c0mrade> TJ-: This is a server edition ubuntu. No graphical user interface.
[16:13] <TJ-> c0mrade: so?
[16:13] <TJ-> c0mrade: I gave you a command-line - no GUI required here
[16:13] <c0mrade> lxc launch ubuntu:16.04 <myubuntu>
[16:13] <c0mrade> what should <myubuntu> be in this case?
[16:14] <c0mrade> The program 'lxc' is currently not installed. To run 'lxc' please ask your administrator to install the package 'lxd-client'
[16:14] <TJ-> c0mrade: oh phooeey, it's usually installed!
[16:15] <TJ-> c0mrade: "myubuntu" is the name of the container, it can be anything you want, but seems your host is locked down
[16:17] <Goop> I want to have my computer always listening for SSH, so I can SSH into my computer when I need it. However, I am running mechanical hard drives. Would it be best if I got an SSD that runs the Linux OS and have HDD's for everything else, and have the HDD's poweroff when the system goes to suspend, but have the SSD never turn off when it goes to suspend?
[16:18] <Goop> I have no idea how I would set that up.
[16:18] <TJ-> Goop: why would that affect SSH?
[16:19] <TJ-> if the PC is suspended to RAM, it's not active, so SSH won't be available (nor will anything else)
[16:24] <Goop> TJ-, I want to prolong the life of my hard drives, but I also want to keep SSH available 24/7, even though I am not always needing my hard drives.
[16:25] <Goop> TJ-, can't a computer technically run without a hard drive, as long as an OS is running on the RAM?
[16:27] <TJ-> Goop: usually the drives can be set to spin-down automatically, but there's evidence spin-down/spin-up can wear them out much quicker than simply letting them alone
[16:28] <TJ-> Goop: SSD is one way to go, but they too can wear out or fail
[16:30] <Goop> TJ-, are there any hard drives that are designed to be running 24/7, but only spin at 7,200 RPM? If I get a 10,000 RPM hard drive for servers, and I accidentally bump my computer, I assume it will do quite a bit of damage.
[16:31] <TJ-> !info hdparm | Goop  this package has tools for controlling things like spin-down, and system services for automatically activating them
[16:32] <TJ-> Goop: almost all drives are expected run 24/7, especially those used in servers and datacenters
[16:32] <Goop> TJ-, so 7200 RPM hard drives are fine to run 24/7?
[16:33] <malwar3hun73r> any ntop users here?
[16:33] <malwar3hun73r> i'm trying to set it up as a collector only and am having issues
[16:34] <TJ-> Goop: I have drives that have been spinning continuously for over 10 years
[16:36] <lunrim> Hello! Sorry I know it's not really the place for that but who should I ask to know if some hardware drivers will be included in the Linux kernel? (actually I know some people worked on it but I don't know if it's still the case)
[16:36] <lyra2> i am trying to install libqmi, but i get an err msg: Unable to locate package libqmi
[16:36] <TJ-> lunrim: best place is the linux kernel mailing list, or the specific sub-system mailing list
[16:37] <TJ-> !info libqmi-glib1 | lyra2
[16:37] <TJ-> !info libqmi-glib1 xenial | lyra2
[16:38] <TJ-> lyra2: to find package names use this: "apt-cache search -n libqmi"
[16:39] <fr0z3nfrank> Hi! Could any of you recommend a guide to install Ubuntu on a new Macbook Pro 2017? Trackpad and keyboard do not work when trying to install it from a USB stick
[16:41] <lyra2> TJ, thanks, but i also need: libqmi-utils and qmi-firmware-update
[16:42] <lyra2> but i cannot find them with your suggested method
[16:42] <TJ-> lyra2: which ubuntu version are you using?
[16:42] <TJ-> lyra2: I see those for 16.04 xenial
[16:43] <Goop> Does Ubuntu automaically underclock CPU's when they're not being used?
[16:43] <TJ-> lyra2: I don't see a package called qmi-firmware-update though
[16:43] <TJ-> Goop: it depends on the kernel's governer, but generally yes
[16:44] <Goop> TJ-, what's a kernel governor?
[16:44] <lyra2> TJ, ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[16:45] <lyra2> this returns nothing: apt-cache search -n libqmi-utils
[16:45] <TJ-> lyra2: I see 6 packages related to QMI
[16:45] <TJ-> lyra2: just do "apt-cache search -n qmi" --- it's a pattern search so will match anything
[16:46] <TJ-> !info libqmi-utils xenial | lyra2
[16:47] <TJ-> lyra2: notice it's in the "universe" component, you may not have that enabled in your software sources
[16:47] <lyra2> most likely, and how can i do that?
[16:50] <TJ-> lyra2: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[16:52] <lyra2> TJ, thanks, that did the trick, the only package remaining is qmi-firmware-update, how can i install it?
[16:52] <TJ-> lyra2: I don't see it in ubuntu
[16:53] <fr0z3nfrank> Hi! Could any of you recommend a guide to install Ubuntu on a new Macbook Pro 2017? Trackpad and keyboard do not work when trying to install it from a USB stick
[16:54] <TJ-> lyra2: according the upstream repository, that tool was only added in early 2017, so won't be in 16.04 xenial.
[16:55] <lyra2> TJ, so what would you suggest me to do if i need it anyway?
[16:57] <lyra2> TJ, use ubuntu 17.10 instead?
[16:58] <TJ-> lyra2: looks like you'd need to build it locally, from the upstream repository at https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libqmi/
[16:59] <TJ-> lyra2: yes, 17.10's libqmi-utils contains /usr/bin/qmi-firmware-update ( see https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/amd64/libqmi-utils/filelist )
[17:00] <lyra2> ok, i will try 17.10 then
[17:01] <lyra2> thanks
[17:01] <skinux> Is there a certain way to execute run files other than just ./file.run ?
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> skinux: you can execute them GUI also with right mouse
[17:02] <skinux> With what option?
[17:03] <skinux> Failed to execute child process "/home/skinux/Documents/Downloads/Linux/FoxitReader.enu.setup.2.4.1.0609-r08f07f8.x64.run" (Permission denied)
[17:03] <TJ-> skinux: that's generally correct, from the shell. Of course the file.run needs to have eXecute permissions for the user
[17:03] <TJ-> skinux: ls -l /home/skinux/Documents/Downloads/Linux/FoxitReader.enu.setup.2.4.1.0609-r08f07f8.x64.run" needs to show at least r-x------
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> skinux: propertys/permissions/Allow executing file as program
[17:04] <TJ-> skinux: maybe you need to do "chmod +x /home/skinux/Documents/Downloads/Linux/FoxitReader.enu.setup.2.4.1.0609-r08f07f8.x64.run" first?
[17:04] <soee> hi, can someone confirm that Ubuntu runs fine on M.2 disks?
[17:04] <TJ-> soee: it doesn't run, it sprints
[17:04] <soee> TJ-: but will it recognise it etc without any problems?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> soee: will you place it yourself?
[17:05] <TJ-> soee: you'll likely need a recent kernel to recognise some devices. There's one issue though, booting from some is a problem because GRUB doesn't have the correct drivers. UEFI systems should be OK though
[17:06] <skinux> I figured it out. I can't be located in a directory that is technically Windows storage.
[17:10] <rommel> soee, i have gentoo on an evo 960... which i installed in chroot from within ubuntu
[17:10] <rommel> make sure your bios sees it as a boot device
[17:13] <soee> Well i have this motherboard: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z270-Gaming-K3-rev-10#kf with latest BIOS available, kernel i'm using roght now is 4.14.8
[17:15] <rommel> soee, and your having problems
[17:15] <rommel> ?
[17:16] <soee> rommel: no no, i just never used M.2 before
[17:16] <rommel> me either
[17:16] <lyra2> can someone please copy/paste the last url TJ gave me a few moments ago?
[17:17] <rommel> my biuos didnt see it like i though it would but win10 and ubuntu did so i installed gentoo on it and it seems fine
[17:18] <auronandace> lyra2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[17:18] <BluesKaj> lyra2, https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/amd64/libqmi-utils/filelist
[17:18] <lyra2> thanks
[17:19] <lyra2> 17.10 does not have try/live mode, right? does 18 have it?
[17:21] <TJ-> lyra2: http://releases.ubuntu.com/artful/
[17:22] <lyra2> i see, i managed to download wrong version
[17:22] <lyra2> TJ-, should i go with 18 instead of 17?
[17:24] <auronandace> lyra2: 17.10 is artful (the latest release) 18.04 is supported in #ubuntu+1 (it will be the next realease)
[17:25] <lyra2> i see
[17:27] <Osmodivs> Hello. I have Ubuntu 16.04, I downloaded Alchemy, a paint program, there are no otions for installation, where do I put the Alchemy folder so I can select it from the menu?
[17:28] <auronandace> Osmodivs: what exactly did you download? don't they offer a PPA?
[17:30] <Osmodivs> auronandace, http://al.chemy.org/download/ they say to put the folder in "where your apps are" bt I dont know where are they stored
[17:33] <auronandace> Osmodivs: they don't give much information.. and the latest development update is from 2014
[17:33] <Osmodivs> auronandace, I know, I gotta work with what we have ;)
[17:34] <auronandace> Osmodivs: you can try extracting the archive to a place in your home directory and see if there is a binary in it you can run
[17:34] <Osmodivs> auronandace, Well, >I can run it with no problem, I just want to select it from my menu
[17:34] <Osmodivs> instead of going to my foldr via Terminal
[17:36] <auronandace> Osmodivs: i'm not sure how to do that sorry
[17:37] <Osmodivs> ok
[17:37] <Osmodivs> Somebody will, I hope so...
[17:41] <lyra2> TJ-, i am running 17.10 now, but it looks like there is no qmi-firmware-update and i cannot install it myself
[17:42] <BluesKaj> most default apps are in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin
[17:42] <lyra2> at least, it does not show me it in the list: apt list --installed  | grep  qmi
[17:44] <TJ-> lyra2: it's in libqmi-utils
[17:45] <TJ-> lyra2: "which qmi-firmware-update"
[17:46] <lyra2> TJ-, utils are installed
[17:46] <lyra2> so, something else is missing
[17:47] <lyra2> ulimatelly, i need to run this: ./swi_usbcomp.pl
[17:52] <TJ-> lyra2: the file is there, see https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/amd64/libqmi-utils/filelist
[17:57] <TJ-> make sure the name / version string in debian/changelog matches the .org.tar.gz exactly
[17:57] <TJ-> no typos :)
[18:00] <donofrio> help how do I fix this package issue (https://apaste.info/n5xb)....fresh install of mate, apt-get upgraded so all updates applied, then I install packages I need when I look at remmina its 1.1.2 and I require 1.2.0 in order to connect to my work windows boxes. I added the remmina-next and then upgraded and these packages are 'held back?' I need 1.2.0 please if you have a moment and know what I should do I'm all ears....
[18:05] <Osmodivs> Hello. I have Ubuntu 16.04, I downloaded Alchemy, a paint program, there are no otions for installation, where do I put the Alchemy folder so I can select it from the menu?
[18:07] <lyra2> TJ-, that files is present on my machine, so where should i find swi_usbcomp.pl?
[18:07] <TJ-> lyra2: I have no idea! presumably you're reading some instructions that should tell you
[18:12] <oerheks> donofrio, use apt full-upgrade
[18:12] <oerheks> or dist-upgrade
[18:18] <donofrio> oerheks, did you see I already chained, "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y"
[18:18] <c0mrade> where is netcat (nc) usually located on linux?
[18:19] <arktvrvs> 'usually' doesnt usually apply to GNU/linux.. mines in /bin/nc atm
[18:19] <c0mrade> hmm ok
[18:20] <c0mrade> what about whoami? in /usr/bin/whoami?
[18:21] <arktvrvs> try 'which whoami'
[18:22] <oerheks> donofrio, no
[18:23] <oerheks> oh line 267
[18:23] <rypervenche> c0mrade: You can use "which nc" to find out
[18:26] <c0mrade> I can't.
[18:26] <c0mrade> Python is usually where?
[18:27] <ikonia> c0mrade: this is not generic linux help
[18:27] <ikonia> this is ubuntu help
[18:27] <Osmodivs> Hello. I have Ubuntu 16.04, I downloaded Alchemy, a paint program, there are no otions for installation, where do I put the Alchemy folder so I can select it from the menu?
[18:27] <ikonia> you can use the which command
[18:27] <ikonia> c0mrade: please don't start your silly messing around behaviour in this channel, this is your only warning
[18:27] <ikonia> Osmodivs: you can put it where you want, you need to create a menu/desktop item that links against it, is alchemy not in the official ubuntu repos ?
[18:28] <Osmodivs> ikonia, No PPA and no repo, now about that linking...
[18:28] <ikonia> Osmodivs: thats annoying
[18:29] <ikonia> Osmodivs: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[18:29] <Osmodivs> ikonia, 16.04
[18:29] <ikonia> there is a getdeb package for it for 16.04
[18:30] <Osmodivs> ikonia, Is it?!
[18:30] <ikonia> looks like it
[18:30] <ikonia> (I"ve not tested/used it personally - so I can't recommend it)
[18:30] <oerheks> https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/getdeb_apps/xenial/apps/getdeb/alchemy
[18:31] <Osmodivs> ikonia, Got it
[18:31] <oerheks> .. beta
[18:32] <oerheks> it has a session directory in settings.
[19:12] <dedze> Hi, I have a problem with ubuntu. Draging a windows to the top or side of the screen to change its size doesnt work anymore. It's been like this for a few days and I didn't modify my system recently. I tried rebooting of course but it didn't fix anything. Also my system doesn't seem to suspend every time after 10 minutes of inactivity as it should.
[19:12] <ChunkzZ> Hi, not sure if this is the right place, I have a desktop that's running xubuntu 17, I have an odroid C2 running ubuntu. I have setup on both devices samba and shared my network folders, when I try and download something to the said shared folder, it doesn't work??
[19:13] <ChunkzZ> both are connected via Ethernet.
[19:13] <jeremies> How to share a folder between users of the same computer in ubuntu?
[19:15] <dedze> Ubuntu 16.04, drag on top to maximize doesn't work anymore it used to work. How can i reenable it?
[19:18] <ChunkzZ> anyone want to see my samba config?
[19:18] <ngaio> On 17.10 the kernel update never finishes because while I have the Nvidia proprietary driver installed, am currently running the monitor off of the CPU's built-in graphics adapter
[19:18] <ChunkzZ> https://pastebin.com/GaxQ9qC1
[19:19] <ChunkzZ> I keep getting permission denied, I'm logging in as a guest, I didn't set a password.
[19:25] <ngaio> bug #1739905 filed
[19:26] <jeremies> How to share a folder between users of the same computer in ubuntu?
[19:40] <dedze> Hi, I can't drag  top to maximize anymore. I installed CompizConfig Settings Manager and check that draging to the top edge is set to maximize but it's still not working.
[19:41] <dedze> I'm on ubuntu 16.04
[19:44] <dedze> I fixed it!!!!!! I ticked everything, test, untick lool
[20:09] <jrgilman> hey uh, I've never encountered this before, but I moved a bunch of files from my mac that contained colons (:) to my 16.04 machine and for some reason the colons in the files have been replaced with . I'm not sure why this could have happened (I would assume the encoding between mac os x and ubuntu is compatible?)
[20:10] <jrgilman> I should say, the colons in the file names*
[20:14] <TJ-> jrgilman: how did you move the files?
[20:14] <jrgilman> usb stick formated exfat
[20:15] <TJ-> hmmm, do the :'s show from the Mac when reading the directory of the exfat FS?
[20:15] <jrgilman> yeah
[20:16] <jrgilman> I've never encountered something like this
[20:16] <jrgilman> either way I just used rename to rename all the files
[20:16] <grid-> hey
[20:16] <TJ-> what's the actual character code of the character? "ls dir/file | hexdump -C"
[20:16] <grid-> i get enter your password to unlock the keyring all the time
[20:16] <grid-> it isn't the same as my root account
[20:16] <grid-> i haven't set it either
[20:17] <grid-> what can it be?
[20:17] <grid-> login keyring actually
[20:17] <TJ-> grid what are you doing when that is asked? it should require your regular user password
[20:17] <jrgilman> jacob@jacob-desktop:~/Desktop/preprocessing 2/final_data$ echo "" | hexdump -C
[20:17] <jrgilman> 00000000  ef 80 a2 0a                                       |....|
[20:17] <jrgilman> 00000004
[20:18] <grid-> The login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into this computer
[20:18] <jrgilman> TJ- either way I fixed the issue, just a curiosity at this point
[20:18] <grid-> TJ-: just opening google chrome that's it
[20:18] <grid-> TJ-: i have only a root password
[20:19] <TJ-> jrgilman: that's some weird UTF-8 by the look of it
[20:19] <grid-> it belongs to my ubuntu super user account, the one that is my own name which i have set by the installation default
[20:19] <jrgilman> yeah online it's listed as a private use area
[20:19] <jrgilman> no idea
[20:19] <TJ-> jrgilman: seems like something the Mac does then in it's exfat driver maybe?
[20:19] <jrgilman> likely, I'm just using uh
[20:20] <grid-> TJ-: what can be the password
[20:20] <jrgilman> I just did sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[20:20] <TJ-> grid-: I told you. You know your passwords, I don't
[20:20] <grid-> TJ-: i have only set one password once
[20:20] <jrgilman> to get the driver
[20:20] <TJ-> jrgilman: the issue was caused on the Mac though, not Linux
[20:20] <jrgilman> ah hmm
[20:21] <jrgilman> curious
[20:21]  * jrgilman shrugs
[20:21] <TJ-> jrgilman: I guess the Mac's exfat driver does that conversion for some reason
[20:21] <TJ-> jrgilman: I bet it's because on Windows NTFS : is a special token denoting streams
[20:21] <jrgilman> ah
[20:22] <TJ-> jrgilman: maybe that's allowed or tolerated by Windows on exFat too
[20:22] <jrgilman> so you think that microsoft made the : convert to that special character in the spec for exFAT
[20:22] <jrgilman> so it wouldn't conflict with their own OS
[20:23] <jrgilman> yeah
[20:23] <TJ-> jrgilman: i have no idea; You did it on the Mac so I'd look at the Mac driver first.
[20:23] <jrgilman> that seems to be it
[20:23] <jrgilman> exFAT allows everything in file names in UTF-16 except for a few including the colon character
[20:24] <jrgilman> so likely some implementation of the mac driver caused that
[20:24] <jrgilman> as you were saying
[20:24] <ioria> jrgilman, colon is an illegal character for windows filenames asfik
[20:24] <jrgilman> yeah
[20:26] <TJ-> ioria: it's the stream token in NTFS
[20:30] <ioria> TJ-, yeah
[20:30] <john_rambo> I have upgraded to 4.14.0-13-generic ....Am I safe from this bug >>>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147 ??
[20:31] <ioria> john_rambo, why did you do that ?
[20:32] <john_rambo> ioria, I was told that an kernel upgrade is required to get rid of that bug
[20:36] <TJ-> john_rambo: do "grep SPI_INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM /boot/config*" - if there are no results you're safe
[20:37] <TJ-> john_rambo: if there are hits, and they're in a kernel version that isn't the current one ("uname -r") then you can remove the kernel packages for the version containing the bug
[20:38] <john_rambo> TJ-, https://paste2.org/JmhnBgmt
[20:38] <TJ-> john_rambo: what does "uname -r" report?
[20:38] <DexterF> how do I make server 16.04 LTS recognize the fakeraid1 of a HP Microserver Gen7 N40L?
[20:38] <john_rambo> TJ-, 4.14.0-13-generic
[20:39] <TJ-> john_rambo: do "sudo apt remove linux-image-4.13.0-17-generic" then "sudo apt autoremove"
[20:39] <TJ-> DexterF: depends on what kind of fakeraid it is, generally it requires the dmraid driver (although mdraid supports intel fakeraid )
[20:41] <DexterF> TJ-, not aware of different types. I set up the logical drive in the server's BIOS and that's it pretty much. expected some /dev/asdfghjk to appear. "dmraid" needs to be loaded in boot options?
[20:42] <john_rambo> TJ-, Removed that kernel then did autoremove ...Now getting this https://paste2.org/ks5mL1Gf
[20:42] <donofrio> is there a channel for just ubuntu ports?
[20:42] <john_rambo> TJ-, Should I reboot ?
[20:47] <TJ-> donofrio: not that I've seen
[21:24] <samthewildone> Question, I've been away from my home computer for some time and when I tried to do a update I get this error "https://pastebin.com/1cAu3QXg"
[21:24] <samthewildone> it hasn't been touched or used for like 10 months
[21:27] <Pilfers> you been hacked
[21:28] <samthewildone> blurp
[21:28] <Pilfers> samthewildone: NSA got you
[21:28] <akik> !funny | Pilfers
[21:29] <samthewildone> I'm soo confused !
[21:29]  * samthewildone panics 
[21:30] <akik> samthewildone: did you try removing the repositories and adding them back?
[21:31] <akik> i wonder if getting the new public key is enough
[21:32] <samthewildone> with a simple remove command ?
[21:32] <akik> samthewildone: try: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys EFDC8610341D9410
[21:32] <akik> i'm not sure which public keys are there on keyserver.ubuntu.com
[21:33] <kubunted> whoever has created this kubuntu atrocity owes the world an explanation, starting with this: https://pastebin.com/D9UVmwES
[21:33] <akik> kubunted: you have an extra space before configure
[21:34] <kubunted> How is it possible that linux in 2017 performs worse than a 12 years od Windows XP?
[21:34] <Menzanta|phone> kubunted: That's not an issue specific to Kubuntu
[21:34] <kubunted> akik : thanx
[21:35] <Acheron-a> i find linux performs great
[21:36] <Menzanta|phone> Yeah, especially Ubuntu 17.10. it's messy, but so has every other $ODD_YEAR.10 release
[21:36] <kubunted> Menzanta|phone: indeed, i've noticed that too...linux of modern times has significantly lower in quality than was expected in the 1990s when I was part of it. Nowadays I don't recognize it...3rd world quality
[21:36] <Menzanta|phone> I was answering Acheron-a
[21:36] <kubunted> ok
[21:37] <ScioMin> hi. I want to zero-wipe my laptop disk. Is there a chance I can brick it while doing that?
[21:37] <ScioMin> lenovo L440
[21:37] <kubunted> linux is sure good for servers , but the end user versions are atrocious
[21:39] <akik> ScioMin: if you zero wipe your disk it will just get empty
[21:39] <Bashing-om> ScioMin: 17.10 installed ? then you might have a problem : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147 .
[21:39] <akik> kubunted: i use kubuntu 16.04. what kind of problem do you have?
[21:39] <Menzanta|phone> kubunted: I've not truly found a Linux distro with end-users in mind that I've found atrocious
[21:40] <Menzanta|phone> Bashing-om: The L440 is not listed in that bug.
[21:40] <Bashing-om> Menzanta|phone: :) not all bios' are affected .
[21:41] <Menzanta|phone> True. (Still a critical 0day, to be sure)
[21:51] <netcrash> Hello, in my openbox window I loose the hability to right click to show the menu and clicking on the title window or buttons (min, max) doesn't result in anything, any ideas on what the problem can be?
[21:53] <edisonbulb> Hi, I am trying to switch from LXDE to GNOME 3 on Lubuntu 17.10, but when I installed the ubuntu-desktop package and switched to it, all of the icons are missing (except ones that were already installed) and the menu bar icons at the top of the screen and the button to open the applications list is not there
[21:53] <edisonbulb> What have I done wrong
[21:54] <edisonbulb> (I also tried installing the "gnome" package and using its respective LightDM setting)
[21:55] <edisonbulb> I suspect that the icon pack is missing for GNOME 3 but I have no idea about the missing menu bar icons or applications menu problem
[21:55] <ScioMin> Welp. RIP laptop. Bricked a brand new Lenovo Laptop. I'll throw this trash out the window.
[22:21] <lyra2> i want to talk to serial port over usb, i am trying: cu -l /dev/ttyUSB1
[22:22] <lyra2> i always get: Permission denied; Line in use
[22:23] <lyra2> i have added user to a dialout group
[22:24] <lyra2> i have also uninstalled modemmanager
[22:24] <lyra2> what else can i do?
[22:34] <lyra2> ok, chmod 666 fixed it
[22:37] <lyra2> i have connected to that port with putty, but i am not allowed to type/send any commands, why?
[22:51] <cyberspectre> Does anyone here have a working VGA passthrough via KVM / QEMU setup?
[23:01] <Apachez> merry xmas!
[23:01] <bacteria_> u2
[23:13] <Apachez> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofKk_Etapq4
[23:36] <pikapika> Hi
[23:36] <pikapika> Anyone up?
[23:36] <pikapika> What exactly does the "install alongside windows" option do?
[23:37] <oerheks> it keeps your current windows, and gives an option to boot it too
[23:38] <rowinofwin> Hi all, I have a strange issue on a lenovo laptop with ubuntu mate 16.04. The touchpad isn't working, but neither is an external USB mouse. xinput doesn't shew either, but lsusb shows the usb mouse just fine.
[23:39] <pikapika> No I mean where exactly does it install the Ubuntu, where can I review the exact disk structure expected?
[23:40] <oerheks> depends on the free space, i guess.
[23:41] <pikapika> I am reading some threads about it, the things being said are rather scary. Best I use the Something else option and read up good defaults for the values
[23:41] <xalen> pikapika: if selected, it will show you the space available on the disk to choose in the next step
[23:41] <oerheks> and you would have the option to install in expert mode/manualy too
[23:42] <pikapika> Also in your opinion, what would be good sizes for 50 gb free space?
[23:42] <xalen> it's usually a bar sort of #[23:42] <oerheks> no, the values are fine.
[23:42] <pikapika> Ok thanks
[23:42] <pikapika> I had forgotten to disable fastboot so I am doing this and rebooting then I'll see what to do
[23:43] <oerheks> as of 17.10 ubuntu uses one file, for filesystem, data and swapfile.
[23:43] <pikapika> Mine is the 16 lts version
[23:47] <pikapika> https://askubuntu.com/questions/877930/dual-boot-what-happens-with-install-alongside-windows  "I trusted you, but Ubuntu failed to create the swap and now my windows won't show up on boot menu anymore. RIP. For new users, never select install alongside windows. – Christopher Francisco Dec 14 at 14:45 "
[23:47] <pikapika> Is there any chance of such a thing happening to me?
[23:51] <skinux> I've been having issues with losing internet for a while, DNS errors. I'm wondering about what could be going wrong with configuration to make my DNS settings change and at some point change back?
[23:54] <Loshki> pikapika: any install can go wrong. For that matter, hardware commits suicide occasionally and with notice. If you have any data you cannot live without that isn't already backed up, you're doing it wrong. And if you do it right, you can recover from anything.
[23:55] <Loshki> s/with/without/
[23:55] <xalen> pikapika it's possible. I've never had that problem, however you should always do a full backup before setting up a dual boot system
[23:55] <pikapika> Yeah I have backed up everything
[23:55] <pikapika> But its a simple copy paste not a disk image, so I am afraid if it messes up mbr orboot sequence or something then I am fucked
[23:57] <xalen> pikapika: if you want to keep windows at all costs, you should have a disk image for backup. Although it's unlikely that you have any problems with the installers nowadays, you can never be too careful I guess
[23:58] <pikapika> I have media for insalling Windows in case something goes wrong...I hope that suffices