 Hi! How can i install Anbox in my Ubuntu touch bq 5?
[00:07] <tgBot> eszklar was added by: eszklar
 @Stereofont, Yes yes. I have joined
 Is it possible to install Anbox in my Ubuntu touch bq 5?
 No, doesnt seem like it. Too weak. Tablet will get it though they Marius said.
 The tablet bq M5 already can get the Anbox?
 M10 is said to get it after the 16.04 rebase is what i gathered.
 2018
 I have a BQ M10 tablet. I had Ubuntu and when Canonical anounced the end of Ubuntu Touch i changed it toAndroid. Maybe is time to come back to UBports, dont think so? ;-)
 Jyoti you won't get an answer faster if you ask your question 10 times in 30 minutes
 no, it's not. instructions aren't out yet, anbox was just announced today
 it will be possible in the future I believe
 Sorry for asking so many times. But, the first time, i asked about the phone, the second time, i asked about the tablet (i have both)  :-) but, thanks a lot for the answer
 Just listening to todays video. "Hail to Xenial " ! This is fantastic news that older BQ devices might be supported for even longer! Also, a great summary of the 8 months of this project. Great work and thanks to all!
 @XavierXX, @Javacookies has ut on multirom on Nezus 5, so he can twll u how to get dual boot, tripple boot, quadruplw boot, hexaduple boot... you get the meaning ;)
 @mariogrip thank you.. I was watching community update! And stopped immediately as you showed what's app working.. it was really required app. At least from Indian community its necessary features.. lots of love from India!
 wow i wake up scroll thru fees and left in shock how anbox landed out of suddwn! Super thankful for all that work in conspiracy to make this this xmas gift :D
 @KrisJacewicz, Boom!
 A snowball rolling down a hill...getting bigger...gaining speed...getting stronger...
 that's just IR blur
 but it is even more wondering on the second thought: … UT with halium sort of runs atop of android stack, and so, it becomes a sort of android in ut in android kind of russian matrioshka, lol (oversimplifying)
 ut has always ran atop an android stack
 like, a bunch of stuff is tied pretty tightly to android being underneath
 Its turtles all the way down.
 turtledroids
 Right, there's a lot of tooling based on having Android in a container
 the point of halium is not breaking it out of a container, is it?
 nono
 It's a standardized way to have the container
 ok, good
 It does break the Android system.img out of ubuntu.img, though
 Just a mounting difference
 will it allow clean locking of bootloader with that?
 Can the bootloader not be locked cleanly right now?
 I'm pretty sure lock just means, "This image has the only signing key you should accept."
 Can I try anbox on Nexus 5 on 16.04 development Channel?
 not sure about retail devices, but definitely not on nexus and such
 because ubuntu is in the data partition, and locking apparently deletes the data
 ie, ubuntu
 @technicalbird, Not yet. Install information hasn't been released yet.
 Inside the next couple of weeks
 @dohbee, Yeah, that happens.
 Ok.. thank you Dalton.. I will wait
 too bad
 Even now, it should be possible to move `ubuntu.img` to the system partition
 With a few changes to the initrd
 is it large enough?
 System? Should be
 Some phones have a System partition > 4GB
 The problem is that System shouldn't be mounted read-write. Ever.
 Nor should anything inside of it. So that means no `mount / -o remount,rw`
 well make the ubuntu rootfs a squashfs?
 Overlayfs would make things pretty easy.
 But overlayfs didn't hit the kernel until 3.18, so only Nougat or newer phones would hvae it
 or backporting stuff
 Backporting a filesystem, though... That seems daunting
 bah, why can't phones use UEFI and hardware with open source drivers and whatnot
 Because Qualcomm
 And the FCC
 and the kleptocracy
 Qualcomm is starting to show signs of getting better, though
 (not that i'm having much luck shopping for x86 hardware at the moment either)
 Say what you will about Purism, but they're the only ones trying to rally around that idea
 Fascinating conversation, thanks guys.
 This is where problems get solved. :P
 well, my current problem (for shopping for new ryzen system) isn't really related to drivers. AMD is doing pretty well in that respect
 Ryzen is great. I can build a Halium tree in 12 minutes.
 Without ccache
 also typing `make -j16` is just fun
 heh, yeah, and that's the early model :)
 If I may ask, where did you fit in the Ubuntu for Devices project @dohbee ?
 How does anbox play with Librem 5 then? (Speculation I know.)
 @Crash_Burn, Just like it plays on an x86 computer or an ARM phone
 It's not linked to the Android container at all.
 i worked on the app/store scopes, app purchasing (and in app purchases), and middleware bits mostly
 Ahhhhh
 To be clear: The Android container for hardware compatibility is not used to run apps. Anbox is another piece of software entirely.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks, that helps a lot.
 @dohbee, I did purchase Cut the Rope ;P
 heh
 how does switching channels through the update settings work? I want to use it but it could mess up with MultiROM setup … OTAs do work fine though
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> streofont: changing channel to devel did the trick, tnx again mate!
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> stereofont: ^
 Screenshot (Dec 24, 2017 10:56:03 AM)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/whP7aRac/file_3144.jpg Screenshot (Dec 24, 2017 10:56:03 AM)
 In community update 17.. it's concluded that there won't be any what's app.. but in community update 19 you did demo of it!! Technology is changing in weeks time
 @Crash_Burn, It is actually cool conversation... Agreed
 Oneplus one daily driver users, i am interested about it's battery life? After yesterdays Community Update, my wife said that she wants Ubports compatible phone, with good battery life..
 I know in my own experiance that N5 isn't very good in battery life even with new battery..
 That Anbox news was game changer to her, she has been testing Ubports occasionally, but lack of native, good working eg. whatsapp and instagram apps i am not been able to convince her to move Ubports.
 Just an idea but, i could be cool if we have some battery stats app. Screen on time, app list with usage time per app.. Like android had. I am not a dev so i have not any idea how hard it is to make such an app..
 @samitormanen, About 2 days with medium use. Easily 1 day with heavy use. Running on development chanbel.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Z0EjyJ90/file_3146.jpg
 @samitormanen, This is with a few hours playing music via bluetooth, browsing (wife and cellular), and about 30 minutes playing music video.
 @Javacookies Kugi how did you make work SSH x-forwarding over USB in Windows? I'm interested too. Could you give the details? Maybe if you would like to share it and make it permanent by posting on UBports forum it would be great! Thanks.
 it's actually quite easy... install putty and xming (x server), enable rndis in UT … if you know how to enable ssh in UT then that's almost it
 I'll try to post in the forum when I have the time ;)
 Ok. Thanks Ruben. Sounds good. 👍
 @Javacookies, Thanks! I really appreciate! 😁👍 From what you said I only miss the rndis part.
 it's in the ADB settings in UT Tweak Tool
 it'll give your device an IP address when connected via USB
 What a battery life compared to my FP2 with 14 hours without using it!
 With mobile data on, N5 survives maybe 20h at max, depending a lot of location. Wifi connected battery lasts near 50h. With gsm only (all data off) about 4-5 days.
 Stable channel v2 gave me about 10 hours.  … Dev latest version and connecting to eduroam (wifi for universities, schools etc.) eats the battery in about 12 hours.
 So there is still room for improvement
 Hey guys... I'm trying to flash UBports on a Nexus 4 (a.k.a. mako) following the website instructions, but it says "Channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu not found on server http://system-image.ubports.com"
[07:54] <tgBot> Michi was added by: Michi
 I thought it tried to get the devel image?
 Nevermind. I just made a mess with the lines break
 It's loading now... wish me luck
 @stuartlangridge, The push server indeed knows the model number and channel, since it was used by Canonical to send a broadcast about new updates to all devices. But also for the system image server where current stats come from we already have an idea to make the stats better looking
 @Javacookies, Ok. Thanks for the hints. I will try whenever I'll have the chance to. The idea behind is to use UT apps on a Voghera screen when I'm at office, where unfortunately all the PC run the hated Windows 😉
 yeah, we have windows as well
 BTW, just to be clear, only x apps can be forwarded...not sure if native Qt apps are possible
 I hope that Anbox thingie can save my day with working android banking app. My bank refuses to fix their site, so i can't use it at all now. It is blocking my browser.. Only some crappy pda view is possible with near non usable ui..
 Hi guys. Is it possible to extract the number of UBpotrs devices by the new notification service?
 @lotuspsychje, Lotus: great that it fixed your problem!
 @eszklar, Welcome Edward and Michi! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 Guys, quick question... If I'm flashing with fastboot...should the phone (in FB mode obviously) say anything? Or it's just stay the same and I need to be patient?
 It did nothing
 Just wait. It should say momething that its sending it to phone at start of process, and then it should say when its done.
 It didn't. Now I reboot and everything is the same...
 Can u send me screenshot of cmdline, or log?
 On the computer side?
 Yeah
 Just the same
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap … [sudo] password for gorsh:  … 2017/12/24 05:53:45 Device is |mako| … 2017/12/24 05:53:45 Flashing version 172 from 15.04/devel channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device mako
 And stays there
 2017/12/24 05:53:45 Flashing version 172 from 15.04/devel channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device mako … That should be maybe that message of sending it. Idk, i was using fastboot only in win.  … Can you type another command after that, or is that terminal busy? It should say you if its flashin, or not.
 It stays busy
 It should be good. But as i sayd, i was not using fastboos on GNU/Linux, so idk.
 But it doesn't show anything on the phone side?
 On my XZ my screen is not even initialized in fastboot, but when i had asus tablet, it should say somethin like downloading from pc. Just give it time about few hours, u will see.
 I guess I'll go to bed then...
 What scares me is that my usb port is flimsy. But I did check first with "fastboot devices" and didn't move it again, so hopefully it hasnt disconnected...
 Maybe try it before goin to bed, and let it do until morning. As i sayd, i cannot help u more in that. Maybe someone with more skills in that.
 Don't worry... I need to sleep so that's how it's gonna be.
 I recommend checkin if its connected using fastboot devices before flashing.
 That's what I did
 Anyway
 thanks!
 No problem.  Good luck.
 @Gorsh2, The installer says it is flashing when it isn't.  It is only flashing when you get a progress bar
 But isn't that for downloading only?
 The progress bar?
 It says 'flashing one of 13'
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/509/looking-for-new-maintainer-developer-for-textsecure-signal-app Looking for a Signal dev
 @Javacookies, Yeah, that's clear to me. Kris helped me to install an x-app in the UT background and I succeeded to start up it from my laptop by SSH; I didn't find out a way though to start up an app with SSH which lives into a Libertine container I got installed...Any clue to do so?
 libertine doesn't work on my Nexus 5 so I don't know
 @Gorsh2, So; installed and I can confirm it took my LTE modem right away.
 @Javacookies, I know that's a known issue with Nexus 5. On BQ devices it works like a charm.
 yeah...so I'm stuck with direct installs....so I will try resizing my rootfs..thanks Kris :D
[11:29] <tgBot> luntik2012 was added by: luntik2012
 @jarlathreidy, ^____^ Absolutely amazing
 @luntik2012, Hello Nikita and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @technicalbird, Wire has a similar politics. No support for any device that we don't want type off.. There's the webapp though
 We might focus on Telegram and Matrix
 @cibersheep, 👍🏻 but Signal we need too.
 But they're not too kin to let others develp for it... so.
 What I mean is: we can put some effort to develop something that might get banned, get admited, get cutoff or put some effort into something that is welcoming development. … Of course, everyonw should center on what they want to do. Obviously
 @cibersheep, In the link Florian has posted above, he said "Looking for a developer for Signal. Will get support from OpenWhisperSystems, we have established contact with them."
 @advocatux, Nice
 @advocatux, Excellent! That is s big step forward
 @cibersheep, Yes we were poking hard now xD but we need niw 1-2 devs to do our part
 @Flohack, That sounds like a proper call :)
 @Waldbursche, Sooooo... :)
 @cibersheep, And very achieval
[11:53] <tgBot> Джаваскрипт уулу Эрмек was added by: Джаваскрипт уулу Эрмек
 TBH we are lacking people who want to accept a challenge like this. Its for sure hard, but we cannot wait until we have a comfortable SDK and all documented. Calling all the hackers whoi do not need documents ^^
 You are coding with vi? Perfect, thats possible with UT, too.
 I've just watched last Community Update. Great info & great hats, specially Marius's 😂 … I don't like antbox and I don't like such project sucking Ubports dev resources, but I understand the decision. So be it. … Merry Christmas And Happy New Year! … To conquer the World!
 @Джаваскрипт уулу Эрмек, Hello Эрмек and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @advocatux, Marius did all in his free time up to now ;)
 So no resources invested. Though now we need to put a little bit resources inside
 So further work will only happen to on xenial, correct ? Does ubuntu sdk will work with that ?
 Yes the sdk should function as normal on xenial
 Just requires creating new build containers
 Wishlist for 2018. Marius must get appropriate sleeping time 👍
 Ok, thanks.
 @advocatux, Or we all buy shares in Monster 😉
 🤣
 @Flohack, ❤️
 @samitormanen, This is my exact story buy Kakao Talk
 hello everyone。Today, we have one, big news.The anbox running on    ubuntu touch.  in Version R19，What about pro5？
 What I got from it, is that pro5 will be able to run it
 I think we have more than one
 the news about the BQ is also very good
 I have multiple BQ
 So I'm very happy
 Nowadays, pro5 is R14,  when can We have it.
 As far as Anbox goes, I remember using it on desktop Xenial and had some trouble installing/uninstalling programs on it. Something to do with the way the snap was set up and maybe updating it would have helped (but then again sudo snap refresh hardly *ever* seems to actually update snaps?!). And I think I maybe I uninstalled Anbox but then couldn't reinstall it? So I hope the R&D + testing for Anbox on Ubuntu Touch makes apps as easily
[12:32] <tgBot> installable/removable as they are on Android itself.
 @Sunshine, It is experimental on Pro 5. In a couple of weeks you will be able to join that experiment but it will have some crashes and gaps
 Look forward to it being on pro 5 ☺
 wow, This is best news for half a year.
 @Sunshine, R14? You are still using Canonical version?
[12:42] <tgBot> arpitjindal1997 was added by: arpitjindal1997
 no, i'm from ubports DEV version 61
 Why is pro5 always newer than other phones? Can he be changed?   pro5 is Superman.Please.....
 @TartanSpartan, I think snaps check for update four times a day anyway, so most of the time it’ll already have the update if there is one?
 @arpitjindal1997, Hello Arpit and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Pro 5 isn't the hero we need, but the hero we deserve.
 @stuartlangridge interesting but I thought even with snaps the user is meant to authorise the uodates for the program?
 @TartanSpartan, Not updates, I think, just initial installation. But I may be wrong; I am no expert.
 Excuse me.I don't understand ，when pro5 can join core project？
 @TartanSpartan, Excuse me.I don't understand ，when pro5 can join core project？
[13:06] <tgBot> <Callum Pearson> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/8agipc6I/file_3148.jpg
 news has leaked: … http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phones-will-soon-run-android-apps-thanks-to-anbox-says-ubports-519118.shtml
 (Sticker, 362x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ireP1Y5x/file_3149
 Sorry, I was making a joke. I do hope the Pro 5 can join the core project.
 @advocatux, hey... welcome back, where've you been? :)
[13:07] <tgBot> <Callum Pearson> I keep getting stuck here when trying to go to 16.04, the phone has gone into fastboot mode, tried different usb cables, different usb slots, and even Mac OS, and Ubuntu OS
 @Flohack, Help me. when pro5 can join core project？
 @wayneoutthere, The announcement was public, wasn’t it? News coverage is good, not a leak? :)
 yes i was being awesomely funny
 i'm glad you agreed
 it's a weird time though how news is instant...
 @Callum Pearson, launch the ubports installer from terminal to see the debug messages
 @Callum Pearson, I don't think MX4 can handle 16.04 at all yet?
 there is a 16.04 devel image for arale
 https://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/16.04/devel/
 @Callum Pearson, Maybe Welcome Room to review the install?
 Callum type "cat ~/.cache/ubports/ubports-installer.log" in terminal
 @wayneoutthere, Negotiating with Charon. He agreed to wait for awhile 😋
 And thank you for the welcoming
[13:17] <tgBot> <Callum Pearson> @popescu_sorin, Basically just keeps running sudo -s fastboot devices, so for whatever reason it isn't detecting the phone in fastboot
 @wayneoutthere, Ah, sorry :) I’ll try harder
 @Callum Pearson, are you on 17.10?
 anyway... you can open an issue here if you like https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues
[13:24] <tgBot> <Callum Pearson> @popescu_sorin, Yeah 17.10, got it working by installing android-tools-adb and android-toos-fastboot. I just assumed ubports installer would have installed the dependencies
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/RRqv2eAu/file_3151.jpg
 ^^ on 16.04 using ubports 0.1.9 appimage
 it does see the mx4
 @Callum Pearson, yeah :D looks like a bug to me, maybe this one https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/60
 Sounds like some missing udev rules
 Fwd from askme765cs: hello everyone~
 Fwd from askme765cs: Any wps-office user here?
 Fwd from askme765cs: I have found that wps offered version 10.1.0.6117 for deepin and ubuntu kylin
 Fwd from askme765cs: while the lastest version on its website is 10.1.0.5707 alpha
 Fwd from askme765cs: it is strange we'd better upgrade it to newest version
 Fwd from askme765cs: source is not realsed ,however its deb is available, it would'be too difficult
 I added all the udev rules before that
[13:46] <tgBot> Denny was added by: Denny
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/2wDmJL53/file_3153.jpg
 It's done. 3 devices with ubports. *hopefully* 😅
 @Javacookies, Don't need rndis for this. cf phablet-shell
 What are these devices? @Waldbursche
 @Mattia, M10FHD, BQ E5, Nexus5
 @Javacookies, Qt is just a toolkit and works fine on xorg, but lose some niceties when doing so with the sdk phone apps
 @Denny, Hello Denny  Welcome to the community! Check  this out right away: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Waldbursche, 🤘👏😎
 @Matteo, Same way as you would do if you needed to run an x app in a chroot on a remote server
 @Javacookies, What doesn't work exactly?
 @Waldbursche, Ok wow, good
[14:02] <tgBot> shivam887 was added by: shivam887
 hi
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/8SkVVipD/file_3154
 hello
 Hello and welcome shivam887.  If you are new to Ubuntu Touch please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and let us know if you have any questions.  Happy to have you here.
 @stuartlangridge, It will auto-install updates, but if you keep the app open, you'll still be running the old app in memory, until you restart. I'm not sure what the semantics for removing old versions are, though.
 @Callum Pearson, Also phablet tools
 @Waldbursche, Wow it's beautiful.
 @Denny, Hello Denny. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @dohbee, this is one of the huge things i really do not like about snapd. no way to turn off auto-update afaik, and it doesn't integrate with the system at all, so user has no idea when things do get updated, or need restarted.
 oh nice, the irc bridge bot makes it look like you're talking to yourself, when you do such a thing to provide context in telegram
[14:34] <tgBot> Xray2000 was added by: Xray2000
 Hi do anyone know if Anbox would be supported on a Oneplus One device ?
 hi Rudi
 I understand it will, as OPO is a core device
 Ok thanks i ask this becoss my old device is broke before i buy a new one
 well, the device marius showed it running on, in the livestream, was the OPO, so i think it's a pretty safe bet it will work there
 @Xray2000, Hello Rudi. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @dohbee, Thanks, now hope it happens soon ;)
 @Xray2000, Marius is working on OP3 port so consider that too
 @dohbee, Rodney, you mean it is possible for you to run an app confined in a container? And how?
 @Xray2000, Difficult time for decisions. Get a replacement phone and then regret that choice, four weeks later …
 @Stereofont, Nice but the are expansif here 9;
 @Matteo, well, there are multiple ways to do it, depending on the container. but bind mounting /tmp/.X11-unix tends to work
 I used this command, once reached the libertine folder: … $ export GDK_BACKEND= … $ export MIR_DISPLAY= … $ libertine-container-manager exec -i ubuntu -c "evince"
 evince is a pdf reader
 But it was thrown an error
 yeah, you can't do it that way really.
 @dohbee, I thought that was the mx5
 right, because it still is trying to launch it with Xmir
 @PhoenixLandPirate, no, and the mx5 is not even supported :)
 But Marius always promotes oneplus one as his recommended device
 @dohbee, Ok thank you Rodney. I will investigate starting from your tip and try to do so in a different way...
 @Matteo, you need to treat it as a normal chroot in this case, or make a fake Xmir and set $PATH so it runs your fake Xmir which does nothing and just launches the app with correct $DISPLAY
 @dohbee, Wow... that sounds challenging for my capacities. But I like the challenges and will try....I desperately want to improve my linux skills which are not so good I have to admit....😜
 yeah, it's not super trivial to run libertine or click apps on the phone remotely, but it is doable
 maybe i'll hack a quick PR together to make it easier to do
 though i guess libertine might be a bit harder to do. hrmm
 oh well, i better go do real world things
 @dohbee, If you have time...I'm available. Thank you anyway Rodney, I really appreciate.
 @TartanSpartan, This morning installed anbox on xenial desktop. Installed f-droid with .apk. After that used f-droid to install apps. Worked well.
 @dohbee, was able to create containers and install apps but all apps doesn't open
 Netflix? :)
[15:57] <tgBot> subins2000 was added by: subins2000
 hello @subins2000
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/o2Pn8wZ4/file_3155
 @subins2000, Hello Subin. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Heard the good news about Anbox on Ubuntu Phone
 Gr8 news indeed
 Will it be available on bq e5 hd?
 Any idea?
 I have e5 hd ubuntu edition
 @Nikhil Bhalwankar Probably not. I am not very sure, but I already tried one time to install Android on my BQ E4.5, which is the same hardware than the E5 and it was sooooo slow.  … But never know, maybe they doing some magic again 😁
 He means Anbox. :)
 @nikhilbhalwankar, If I understood right, it will be on the BQ tablets but not on the legacy phones. Hardware just not up to it. 16.04 will happen though
 Ohh
 Ok
 Lets hope they do something magical
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes. Dalton. Will I get it? On e5 jd?
 Initial signs point to no as the e5's kernel doesn't have the needed support for Anbox built into it. We aren't really able to roll a new one, either.
[16:36] <tgBot> AlonsoT9 was added by: AlonsoT9
 @AlonsoT9, Hello Alonso. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Thank you✌️🏾🧔🏾
 @AlonsoT9, Got Ubuntu Touch yet?
 So, Ubuntu Touch is currently being developed in 32bit architectures only?
 Not yet
 @AlonsoT9, A suitable device?
[17:00] <tgBot> npatel33 was added by: npatel33
 @samitormanen my friend, thank you for the guide to set up a hotspot connection via command line. It seems very sound advice. But I'm afraid my M10 still doesn't seem to see it. I think I still need to upgrade the baseband/radio firmware of my Pro 5, and I don't know if this will be possible based on what people have said :/
[17:01] <tgBot> ybotd was added by: ybotd
 There's a forum post on it
 @ybotd, Hello turkish group member
 @developerfect, Hello :) thanks
[17:20] <tgBot> SpEcHIDe was added by: SpEcHIDe
 @KrisJacewicz yesterday we were talking about using Gparted #ForScience to look at my partitions and see if the partition for installing new radio firmware actually exists etc. So just now I made the image writable and installed it. But I try and get:
 sudo gparted … Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted … Too few arguments.
 Any tips there? If not I will just use fdisk -l on a desktop so I can scroll through the output, it's not all visible on the phone's terminal.
 Our Welcoming no-bot is failing. … So welcome @npatel33 @ybotd & @SpEcHIDe
 And everyone, trust me, I will not screw with my phone's parititions. This is for observation only, not tweaking. I'm not dumb.
 @TartanSpartan, are u using it over ssh?
 i run it without any problema howeber with gksudo not sudo
 @advocatux, Thanks.
 I forget to include this link https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @TartanSpartan, a rule of a thumb is that you should never use normal sudo for GUI apps, and always use gksudo instead. It will prevent files in your homw folder to have root ownership. I sometimes violate this rule but i run gparted with gksudo on both my Meizu MX4 and Nexus 5 without any problems or special setup.
 @advocatux, LOL... thanks guys
 Oh hey, @TartanSpartan here it is. https://forums.ubports.com/topic/823/pro-5-basebands
 You were totally correct in needing TWRP installed.
 Anbox is great at bringing in new members! :)
 After you have it installed, you can reinstall the UBports recovery from http://cdimage.ubports.com/devices/recovery-turbo.img
[17:29] <tgBot> <Big ET> @UniversalSuperBox, can we not trigger the update process from the twrp image?
 No, there are some scripts custom to Ubuntu that handle the delta imates
[17:29] <tgBot> <Big ET> I mean boot recovery in twrp and log in with adb and do some things manually.
 If you had the scripts and the delta updater, I guess
[17:30] <tgBot> <Big ET> @UniversalSuperBox, how many scripts can them not be copied over to the twrp? where are them?
[17:30] <tgBot> <Big ET> in the ut recovery I presume. but where exactly?
 You're gonna make me look for them
 Oh well that was easy
 https://github.com/ubports/android_bootable_recovery
 Not scripts
[17:35] <tgBot> <Big ET> why some one will use so much C where some bash or other script will do is paculiar. But I will try to do the next update with a twrp + the binaries. We will see.
 Because there's a lot going on in an update and it was more effective to use a C program/
[17:38] <tgBot> <Big ET> That is a matter of opinion, you cound compile xdelta and low simple parts in C and then write some lua/bash/perl, heck even python. to do the high level. I think that the orinal developer was more of a C only guy. No matter as long as it works.
 @KrisJacewicz
 phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ gksudo gparted … bash: gksudo: command not found … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo apt-get install gksudo … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … E: Unable to locate package gksudo
 But yeah probably best to just adb-shell into the phone and use fdisk -l.
 $ sudo apt-get install gksu
 OIC
 gksudo is the command but the package name is gksu
 phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ gksudo gparted … (gksudo:10263): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
 Remember I'm doing this all on the phone, no desktop yet.
[17:46] <tgBot> <Big ET> why whould you want to run gparted instead of the cli version parted?
[17:47] <tgBot> <Big ET> anyway. do ssh -Y to your phablet and then you will run X11 application on your phone with the gui running on your desktop
 The phone's terminal won't let me scroll the output.
 @TartanSpartan, gparted wont atart on the phone. You can use it over ssh WITH X FORWARDING.
 Ok time to boot up the desktop.
 @Big ET, or -YC for compression of x headers, i find it work smoother
[17:49] <tgBot> <Big ET> tehnically you can run it on your phone completelely. let me look at the script.
 @TartanSpartan, you can pipe the stdput to a file but yes, as much i i love UT Terminal app it lacks scrollong and copy/paste :( … and it dows not follow standard rules on some bash scripts
 @UniversalSuperBox thank you for the link about the Pro 5's baseband, very timely and relevant.
 @Big ET, something prevents it from runni gon my Nexus 5 on the phone directly
[17:50] <tgBot> <Big ET> the UT terminal has scroll and copy&paste
[17:51] <tgBot> <Big ET> you scroll with two fingers
 @Big ET, well, you live and you learn
 @TartanSpartan, Swipe up and down with two fingers should work. I know, it’s a bit weird
 Don't worry guys, the desktop will suffice.
[17:51] <tgBot> <Big ET> and to do select copy paste you hold the finger for a while and a menu will apear
 @Big ET, you just made my life hole lot better!
[17:51] <tgBot> <Big ET> you can then select and copy&paste
 @KrisJacewicz, Awesome to still find these little secrets! :)  lol
 now, you can also hold the spacebar and then you'll be able to simulate up/down and left/right ;)
[17:53] <tgBot> <Big ET> there was (hope it still is) a wiki page telling you how to add commands to the bottom so you can add your own shortcuts.
 @Javacookies, I was just about to write this ;P  Thanks to Jan for this (i think).
 @Big ET, then last thinf i wish the ut terminal did is start using standard bash scripts like .bash_profile
 (Photo, 1280x947) https://irc.ubports.com/Zg86X1H6/file_3157.jpg
 The bears say Happy Christmas
[17:54] <tgBot> <Big ET> yes you have to do . .profile at every terminal you start. :)
 .bash_profile is good place to set up PATH, because it only loads once at every interactive login. ssh will invoke it but ut terminal will not.
 finally i would like ut terminal to accept script from command line.
 but otherwise it is a truly beautiful terminal experience on a smartphone.
 wait for the reboot, it looks so much better ;) I wonder though when it'll land on phones/tablets..I have it on my desktop
 @Javacookies, looking forward to see it but even the curent one is really fantastic.
 @theMitu Hi I think you made this forum topic?
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/823/pro-5-basebands
 Does this mean you also had problems with your Pro 5's mobile hotpot? And you were able to fix it by upgrading the baseband?
 In this fashion?
[18:01] <tgBot> <Big ET> for the ones that want ot run X11 apps under UT directly after installing then with apt, this means that you have to make the root readwrite
[18:01] <tgBot> <Big ET> cat xrun.sh  … #!/bin/bash … ( … export TMPDIR=/tmp … export DISPLAY=:1 … Xmir $DISPLAY —desktop_file_hint=unity8 & … sleep 1 … # xlogo … # xeyes … # x11vnc -forever -nopw -quiet -display $DISPLAY & … matchbox-window-manager & … sleep 1 … "$@" … ) 2>&1 2» /tmp/test.log
[18:01] <tgBot> <Big ET> Iuse it to run thunferbird.
[18:03] <tgBot> <Big ET> that libertine suff is an overkill for me I prefere the bear ubuntu not a container that holds a copy of it. but this is not for the faint harted.
 Also @UniversalSuperBox with respect, do you think you were perhaps being over-cautious in warning users not to upgrade the baseband, when it seems that @theMitu  has done so with no untoward outcome?
[18:12] <tgBot> <Big ET> has the format for the history data base for UT changed in ubports ota3 from UT(original) ota15? I know that an upgrade will not work so I want to backup and then restore my history (messges and phone calls are there)
 It is always possible that something go wrong when flashing things..
 @TartanSpartan, No, not with the hotspot. I had a problem with phone constantly dropping the data connection or the entire carrier signal at all.
 If I do this I will be very careful.
 Oh I see.
 But the process of upgrading the baseband, after installing TWRP, was very straightforward and non-harmful, correct?
 @Javacookies, is there an error? how are you launching them?
 @TartanSpartan, I think so. It's just flashing a recovery via Fastboot and flashing a zip in recovery.
 haven't really investigated much....not sure where to check logs :) … I use the Desktop apps scope
 Excellent. And another question: do you happen to know what your baseband version was before you flashed the new one? Mine was dated October, 2015.
 However, I don't know how can it influence future OTA updates.
 actually, if libertine works on other Nexus 5, perhaps it's because I used MultiROM
 @KrisJacewicz, you should use pkexec, not gksu(do)
 @TartanSpartan, It was 2017-10 I think.
 Ah before I flashed. No, I don't know.
 I think I would go like: install TWRP, flash new baseband, test hotspot, then if successful move the recovery from TWRP back to recovery-turbo.img so future OTAs hopefully won't be affected.
 @Javacookies, wouldn't expect multirom to have anything to do with it. it should still work
 I think that OTA-s may be influenced also by the fact that your image is now different. But I'm not sure
 @Javacookies, maybe in ~/.cache/upstart/unity-scopes.log or something like that
 @dohbee, I don't know...maybe UT has a modified kernel? unlike in MultiROM setup, default android kernel is used
 I don't know, TBH, I'm not really interested with Libertine now...installing directly is better for now :)
 @Javacookies, i would expect ubuntu to fail miserably if it wasn't using the kernel built for ubuntu in that case.
 Perhaps a risk worth taking to get the hotspot functionality back which as I said, is really a necessary capability for any modern smartphone. If it REALLY prevented an upgrade to 16.04, say, I would grit my teeth, backup and go through the whole process of reflashing to 16.04, with or without hotspot. #WorthTheRisk
 well, whatever
 IIRC, 16.04 will need a reflash anyway (do I have correct info on this?), and there will be no more 15.04 OTAs, so it doesn't really matter for me if I break OTA updates now.
 I remember in the past few days one of the dev team saying that they would find a painless upgrade process, so in effect, 16.04/Xenial OTA-1 from 15.04/Vivid OTA-3.
 Wow, I didn't know that. Anyway, I just hope that xenial will come with a working baseband for Pro 5, reflash is OK for me if I need it.
 Also though, IDK if flashing a different radio firmware would really flag the phone's image up as different from any other? I mean, people have different basebands to begin with, right? So what's the difference if you flash your's or not?
 Agreed.
 So far the one I'm using now seems better, but I think that the data connection has dropped once for a moment while the phone still showed H icon. But still it seems to sit on 4G most of the time and be pretty fast compared to what I experienced eariler - and I'm in the rural area right now :)
 Nice. I'm in a suburban part of a pretty big city so will report how it works.
 I'll post an update on the forum in a week or two after I have more reliable information.
 well, there are still some weird cases probably where nm and rfkill don't play nicely together, and things can get weird (icon shows a connection, but it doesn't work). it's not a device-specific problem, and i've seen it on nexus 5 in the past too
 @dohbee  are you still talking with @Javacookies or are you switching focus to @theMitu  and myself?
 @TartanSpartan, the nm/rfkill comment was definitely related to your discussion
 I see.
[19:11] <tgBot> Xeon_Zolt was added by: Xeon_Zolt
[19:19] <tgBot> <Big ET> @UniversalSuperBox, After looking in the commits mariogrip has done over the vanila cyanogen recovery it seams that you shoud do only 2 things: … 1. upload to the twrp the script system-image-upgrater (https://github.com/ubports/android_bootable_recovery/blob/ubp-5.1/system-image-upgrader) … 2. run: system-image-upgrader /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command
[19:19] <tgBot> <Big ET> I'll try it on the next OTA
[19:21] <tgBot> <Big ET> ota's for the devel channels are weekly or dayly?
 daily
[19:26] <tgBot> tuna_mert was added by: tuna_mert
 @UniversalSuperBox my buddy, did you see my question for you?
 hmm
 @UniversalSuperBox could you please confirm deny that video's arnt playing in cnn.com in the webbrowser app
 (Sticker, 447x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6VxC9GZ3/file_3158
 its probably related to the webbrowser-is-unsupported issue but i wanna rule out that my location(europe has something to do with is)
 it was working fine up to a couple of weeks ago
 @UniversalSuperBox, I mean could yu just try it on yur phone :D
 Link?
 cnn.com
 Well, yeah
 are you sure? all the video's apear to hang but only AFTER the ad finishes
 Would it be possible to import them as a media stream into VLC?
 @TartanSpartan, is that regarding my issue? or r you talking about something else?
 Yes your issue.
 @matv1, it's playing "ok" in my vm with unity8 in webbrowser-app
 the ads are kind of broken (sadly not enough so that they just get skipped), but video is still playing ok
 mhmm that makes it weird. iHave 4 different UT devices. non of them will play cnn.com videos (except fr the intro adds, which do play). but on desktop unity 7  with FF the videos play correctly
 Plays on my FP2
[19:40] <tgBot> * matv1 is stumped
 must be the mind control waves
 @dohbee, very helpfull thank you :D
 @dohbee you are in the states as well right?
 yes
 @TartanSpartan, @TartanSpartan are you in europe?
 do they play fr you?
 I am, UK, I will test them shortly.
 cool thanks!
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/yYk9dt2K/file_3160.jpg
 Hi all! Great news, that anbox is working … ! Is the option of using Chromecast, via anbox-android app working?
 Seems to work fine for me. Sorry if the headline/story is in poor taste for anyone! :P
 @matv1 perhaps you should use a UK, USA/other location VPN? What country are you in?
 nl
 @dohbee haha thats scary, but yeah netherlands
 Hmm can you view them on non-UT computers/devices?
 yes
 thats whats makes it weird.
 Odd, wonder why that is.
 me too
 Obvious question, but... Have you cleared the browser cache?
 no didnt consider it as it aoccurs on all the devices
 easy enough to try though
 @Xeon_Zolt, Hello Xeon and Tuna. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @UniversalSuperBox, doesnt help unfortuantely.
 thanks everyone i will investigate further. get some local friends to try it, if they get it too, try a vpn setup.
 doh. apparently i don't recall how to use gobject introspect in python correctly
 @matv1, oh i now have confirmation from another NL user. same thing happens. video hangs on playback start (after playing intro-add)
 Hi guys, I am having trouble with building Notes app from source. It seems that source code is still old and hasn't been updated?
 @matv1, Yep that happened to me too testing it but I've noticed something interesting. If a click the ad while playing it sends me to advertisementfeature.cnn.com and when I went back to the video, when the ad has finished, I can watch the "real" video. … So maybe is a problem with how the browser is handling a cookie or something like that. … I'm in Europe (Spain).
 After the steps I said before, when trying to play another video, briefly tries to start the ad but stops and plays the "real" video
 @advocatux, Thats very interesting, and also makes even less sense considering that this doesnt happen for the pll above from the US or UK
 But I have to add that I can not recreate your scenario. After following the ad link, that opens in anther tab the real video stil doesnt play for me
 When you click the ad, it keeps you in the same tab or opens a new tab?
 a new one
 and you try to play the "real" video in the old or in the new one?
 in the old one. that is what you did too right?
 Yes that's what I did. I'm trying now with a new video and is working too
 you both are on 15.04 right?
 yes
 I am
 Yes, tried in a N5 (stable) and a BQ E4.5 (devel)
 if it's a browser bug, could be something that was fixed in 16.04 (assuming the code is different here)
 but could also be a bug in the media backend too
 i think oxide is using the gstreamer magic there to use the hardware decoding, but not 100% sure
 but if that is the case, i dont understand why the vids play on yours and other devices
 well, i'm in a 16.04 vm on x86, so it's not using the android layer stuff
 ah
 and if it's in the layer dealing with android stuff, could be something that might only happen in certain situations, so might only show up on certain device configs
 okay
 but this is still a pretty wild guess :)
 right
 oh this browser. what are we gonna do with it
 with anbox coming it would seem that would solve the whole issue by just using an android browser
 that would be awful
 otoh i expect to see other difficultees wrt contenthub, downloaded files etc
 webapps
 embedded web widgets
 yeah. another world of hurt :D
 But I'm running 15.04 and it works...sort of
 @advocatux, ota3?
 Now I'm wondering how to delete the cookies in a clean way
 I mean, not playing with cookies.sqlite
 Yep ota3
 Do android apps that require root working in anbox or is there an native alternative to drivedroid?
 @advocatux, use webapp? then it gets its own cookies db in its own confinement
 As that's one of the apps I really need for my work
 what is drivedroid and why would you need root on a phone for your work
 It's an app that enables the mounting of ISO's and IMG files to enable the use of a phone as a live USB
 @dohbee, Yep I know. What I mean is you can delete history & cache within the browser but you can't delete cookies. For that you have to go to /home/phablet/.local/share/webbrowser-app/cookies.sqlite and delete it or delete just some fields
 oh
 @XavierXX, i'm guessing that won't work in anbox.
 This is an open source alternative: https://github.com/Streetwalrus/android_usb_msd/issues
 I've to leave now, family is bugging me 😆 Have a good night everybody!
 Night
 @advocatux, thanks you too :)
 could probably build a native app to do something like that
 eww
 it's a nasty bunch of shell script inside the java or whatever as an array
 gotta be a better way to do that
 It would be an awesome future that looks like it could also work well with convergence
 ?
 Convergence would basically be the same concept except this would be isolated and would be using the hardware of the device it would be plugged into instead of the phone's hardware
 At least from my perspective ;)
 that is not convergence
 Then I've understood it wrong :)
 ninja: error: '/home/petya230/halium/out/host/linux-x86/framework/signapk.jar', needed by '/home/petya230/halium/out/target/product/vns/obj/APPS/gnss_supl20service_hisi_intermediates/package.apk', missing and no known rule to make it … Who can help me? xD
 @petya230, Join Halium group plz ^^
 @npatel33, Which trouble do you have? Which branch are you building
 @Flohack, i joined already … but nothing, this group is dead :(
 @petya230, No this group has multiple 100 messages / day but today is Christmas eve
 I wonder what you guys are doing right now
 @Flohack, hm..
 (Photo, 261x60) https://irc.ubports.com/rcyC2j5Y/file_3162.jpg
 See?
 lol
 And I look there 1 to 2 times a day
 i see
 Be patient. Try again. Its community. Dont expect someone waiting just for your problem
 @Flohack, I am building for 15.04
 @Flohack, im trying.
 @npatel33, Ok that was obvious. But whats your problem
 @Flohack, well, it's not 2300 here :P
 @dohbee, Eh you start Christmas that late? how come
 Its all over here and its 23:00
 😆
 i don't do christmas
 so whatever
 @Flohack, Actually, I was able to build it but I can't push it to device because click can't download Ubuntu SDK 15.04 armhf target for chroot building. Target is not under this URL : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/Release … because 15.04 is no longer supported.
 you need to fix the urls
 to point at old-releases.ubuntu.com
 However, I don't know how to specify http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/ to click
 @dohbee, exactly
 @npatel33, You reminded me to connect notes-app to our Jenkins server: http://ci.ubports.com/blue/organizations/jenkins/notes-app/detail/master/2/pipeline
 Thanks ;)
 So it will try to build everything automatically on all changes
 Great.
 Christmas starts at midnight, but the party/present opening and actual celebrations don't start till like 6am in this house
 Hi @theMitu I followed your upgrade guide, but with list-modems I see:
 Model = Fake Modem Model …     Revision = S333_M86_20151002_CHNOPEN_MZ024 …     Interfaces = org.ofono.ConnectionManager org.ofono.CallForwarding org.ofono.CallBarring org.ofono.CallSettings org.ofono.SupplementaryServices org.ofono.NetworkRegistration org.ofono.Phonebook org.ofono.PushNotification org.ofono.MessageManager org.ofono.NetworkTime org.ofono.MessageWaiting org.ofono.RadioSettings org.ofono.SimManager org.ofono.CallVolume
[23:57] <tgBot> org.ofono.VoiceCallManager  …     Powered = 1 …     Type = hardware …     Features = gprs ussd net sms rat sim  …     Manufacturer = Fake Manufacturer …     Lockdown = 0 …     [ org.ofono.ConnectionManager ]                         …         Suspended = 0                                       …         Powered = 1                                         …         Bearer = lte                                        …         Attached = 1
[23:57] <tgBot> …         RoamingAllowed = 0 …     [ org.ofono.CallForwarding ] …     [ org.ofono.CallBarring ]
 The revision date is still October, 2015. So it looks like it didn't actually upgrade the baseband?
 I don't see why not.