[09:21] morning boys and girls. [10:18] Good morning [10:25] morning [10:33] o/ [10:40] hmm [10:40] switched to tmux, and now arrow keys don't work in irssi [10:40] what's up with that [10:43] lemme see... [10:45] nope :( [10:46] recently i had the need to create a minimal ubuntu iso, it turned out in my experience so far to be a lot harder than expected, i've filed what i think is a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/1739790 because my post on the forums went unanswered, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2379618, perhaps i've made a mistake in my shell script (it's posted on both the forum and bug [10:46] report)? [10:46] Launchpad bug 1739790 in live-build (Ubuntu) "live-build fails to build" [Undecided,New] [10:46] any feedback would be much appreciated, thank you very much :) [10:51] it's my understanding live-build ia the best tool to use to build a minimal iso of ubuntu [10:54] i'm not sure if ubuntu-defaults-template might be an alternative solution, i've tried it and looked online for documentation to make a minimal build template but couldn't locate a proper solution [11:04] arrow keys seem to work in irssi and tmux for me. maybe your terminal emulator is acting the goat? [11:08] up n down scroll through previous comments, left n right through current text on comment line [11:12] sup, merry christmas all. :) [11:13] Hi ChunkzZ :) [11:14] merry christmas, for tomorrow :P [11:51] if their are any other alternatives to building an iso from scratch that anyone could share it would be much appreciated, thanks :) [14:35] i installed live-build on my debian machine, it worked without any issue's, so it seems like the ubuntu build is broken :( [16:53] hrmm why do people always want to reinvent the wheel? [16:54] too round [16:55] :D [16:55] how are things up north, penguin42? [16:55] daftykins: OK, getting very little done [16:56] hehe 'tis the season [16:56] i've definitely turned into a full-blown home owner, i want to go upstairs and put another coat of paint on a window instead of enjoy entertainment [16:57] haha [16:57] wow at Mozilla reviving Thunderbird, that's novel news [16:58] and they're going to keep adding feature to it till they finally add email? :-P [16:58] maybe one day :D [16:58] first up is breaking all old legacy addon support, apparently [16:58] a mozilla speciality... [16:59] it's funny because i just got through heavily advising against going anywhere near Thunderbird to a mate in the US who for some reason is encountering a tonne of quirks in MS Outlook land :) [16:59] not chuck out the baby apple level but still [17:41] thunderbird v outlook... stuck between rock and an awful place... [17:42] well i quickly learnt the problem sounded more like his workplaces' setup of hosted IMAP mailboxes rather than doing it right, but i've certainly never had Outlook crash for clients so i figured the laptops he has dished out must be quirky all of their own [17:44] last time i installed outlook it was yonks ago. it was fairly crashy then... [17:45] my main reason for hating it (beyond it been ms ::spit:: ) was the search was just so awful [17:47] * penguin42 is curious what's wrong with Thunderbird (although I'm a mutt user so hey) [17:47] i used to use thunderbird ages back but it got slower and slower as they stuffed more things into it [17:49] penguin42: well it got dumped until now, for one - so it's been in ESR status for yonks - but when i put it in for a couple of clients it's just horrid to extract data from afterward [17:49] plus using a client in the first place is particularly outmoded now [17:49] i use claws email client atm. but use evolution for archiving all my email to local store [17:50] claws is tiny lite email client. fire up evolutuion once a week to pull stuff down [18:23] Hi :) [18:24] ah you're back [18:25] yeah don't waste your time reinventing the wheel, just get a server ISO and select nothing when tasksel runs [18:25] I sure am, ah that's a great idea, thanks very much! :D [18:26] np [18:26] by selecting noting when tasksel runs, the server iso basically becomes what the alternative iso use to be before it got discontinued? [18:27] alternate* [18:28] it's been so long i forget what that even used to do [18:28] !alternate [18:28] The alternate CD has been discontinued for the main Ubuntu distro, please use and report any bugs in the !LiveCD [18:28] wow they updated something [18:28] :) [18:29] seems they do pack a bit of cruft into server these days versus say, debian net installs, but it's small enough still that it's pretty moot to be concerned [18:29] if you don't have 2GB spare, it's time to phone the museum [22:21] 2gb? luxury... in my day we had to compile uphill in the dark and rain there and back again... [23:30] zmoylan-pi: :) [23:35] zmoylan-pi: have you caught the update? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/22/gemini_special/ [23:39] daftykins: I hope they leave the keytops blank [23:39] ;D