[09:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:18] <thelinuxbox> Good morning
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning
[10:33] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:40] <Laney> hmm
[10:40] <Laney> switched to tmux, and now arrow keys don't work in irssi
[10:40] <Laney> what's up with that
[10:43] <Laney> lemme see...
[10:45] <Laney> nope :(
[10:46] <thelinuxbox> recently i had the need to create a minimal ubuntu iso, it turned out in my experience so far to be a lot harder than expected, i've filed what i think is a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/1739790 because my post on the forums went unanswered, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2379618, perhaps i've made a mistake in my shell script (it's posted on both the forum and bug
[10:46] <thelinuxbox> report)?
[10:46] <thelinuxbox> any feedback would be much appreciated, thank you very much :)
[10:51] <thelinuxbox> it's my understanding live-build ia the best tool to use to build a minimal iso of ubuntu
[10:54] <thelinuxbox> i'm not sure if ubuntu-defaults-template might be an alternative solution, i've tried it and looked online for documentation to make a minimal build template but couldn't locate a proper solution
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> arrow keys seem to work in irssi and tmux for me. maybe your terminal emulator is acting the goat?
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> up n down scroll through previous comments, left n right through current text on comment line
[11:12] <ChunkzZ> sup, merry christmas all. :)
[11:13] <thelinuxbox> Hi ChunkzZ :)
[11:14] <thelinuxbox> merry christmas, for tomorrow :P
[11:51] <thelinuxbox> if their are any other alternatives to building an iso from scratch that anyone could share it would be much appreciated, thanks :)
[14:35] <thelinuxbox> i installed live-build on my debian machine, it worked without any issue's, so it seems like the ubuntu build is broken :(
[16:53] <daftykins> hrmm why do people always want to reinvent the wheel?
[16:54] <penguin42> too round
[16:55] <daftykins> :D
[16:55] <daftykins> how are things up north, penguin42?
[16:55] <penguin42> daftykins: OK, getting very little done
[16:56] <daftykins> hehe 'tis the season
[16:56] <daftykins> i've definitely turned into a full-blown home owner, i want to go upstairs and put another coat of paint on a window instead of enjoy entertainment
[16:57] <penguin42> haha
[16:57] <daftykins> wow at Mozilla reviving Thunderbird, that's novel news
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> and they're going to keep adding feature to it till they finally add email? :-P
[16:58] <daftykins> maybe one day :D
[16:58] <daftykins> first up is breaking all old legacy addon support, apparently
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> a mozilla speciality...
[16:59] <daftykins> it's funny because i just got through heavily advising against going anywhere near Thunderbird to a mate in the US who for some reason is encountering a tonne of quirks in MS Outlook land :)
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> not chuck out the baby apple level but still
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> thunderbird v outlook... stuck between rock and an awful place...
[17:42] <daftykins> well i quickly learnt the problem sounded more like his workplaces' setup of hosted IMAP mailboxes rather than doing it right, but i've certainly never had Outlook crash for clients so i figured the laptops he has dished out must be quirky all of their own
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> last time i installed outlook it was yonks ago. it was fairly crashy then...
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> my main reason for hating it (beyond it been ms ::spit:: ) was the search was just so awful
[17:47]  * penguin42 is curious what's wrong with Thunderbird (although I'm a mutt user so hey)
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> i used to use thunderbird ages back but it got slower and slower as they stuffed more things into it
[17:49] <daftykins> penguin42: well it got dumped until now, for one - so it's been in ESR status for yonks - but when i put it in for a couple of clients it's just horrid to extract data from afterward
[17:49] <daftykins> plus using a client in the first place is particularly outmoded now
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> i use claws email client atm.  but use evolution for archiving all my email to local store
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> claws is tiny lite email client. fire up evolutuion once a week to pull stuff down
[18:23] <thelinuxbox> Hi :)
[18:24] <daftykins> ah you're back
[18:25] <daftykins> yeah don't waste your time reinventing the wheel, just get a server ISO and select nothing when tasksel runs
[18:25] <thelinuxbox> I sure am, ah that's a great idea, thanks very much! :D
[18:26] <daftykins> np
[18:26] <thelinuxbox> by selecting noting when tasksel runs, the server iso basically becomes what the alternative iso use to be before it got discontinued?
[18:27] <thelinuxbox> alternate*
[18:28] <daftykins> it's been so long i forget what that even used to do
[18:28] <daftykins> !alternate
[18:28] <daftykins> wow they updated something
[18:28] <thelinuxbox> :)
[18:29] <daftykins> seems they do pack a bit of cruft into server these days versus say, debian net installs, but it's small enough still that it's pretty moot to be concerned
[18:29] <daftykins> if you don't have 2GB spare, it's time to phone the museum
[22:21] <zmoylan-pi> 2gb? luxury... in my day we had to compile uphill in the dark and rain there and back again...
[23:30] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: :)
[23:35] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: have you caught the update? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/22/gemini_special/
[23:39] <penguin42> daftykins: I hope they leave the keytops blank
[23:39] <daftykins> ;D