[04:30] <casey> im already confused. first thing im doing is installing i3
[04:31] <casey> idk if i even want it, it doesnt seem widely supported
[08:29] <jk^> hi all Happy Xmas
[08:30] <jk^> How to reinstall "Schermo". I unistalled it accidentallly
[08:31] <flocculant> jk^: the problem we've got here is that we don't know what Schermo is, nor is Monitor something you can install ...
[08:31] <jk^> mmhh :\ in Italian version thi application is called "Schermo"
[08:32] <jk^> its translation maybe is "Monitor"
[08:32] <jk^> i think it is a system app to edit monitor preferences
[08:32] <flocculant> you could try installing xubuntu-desktop and see if that grabs it, open a terminal and then sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <jk^> but i can't find it in "Software" to reinstall it
[08:33] <flocculant> that's pretty normal Software misses whole bunche of stuff
[08:34] <jk^> flocculant, but this app didn't appear on desktop
[08:34] <jk^> :\
[08:34] <flocculant> xubuntu-desktop is a package that includes all of them - a meta package
[08:35] <flocculant> jk^: do you have something missing from here? https://i.imgur.com/jKjT2TT.png
[08:37] <flocculant> jk^: also - assuming you know when this happened, check /var/log/dpkg.log for that date and see what got removed
[08:44] <jk^> i saw when an app is removed it appears "remove" in log
[08:44] <jk^> i search by word "remove" :\
[08:45] <jk^> but it doesn't appeart that application i removed accidentally
[08:45] <flocculant> did you install xubuntu-desktop>
[08:47] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1z-ei26vQbDmNwrNp-2XWuvxvmOfaoZSf
[08:47] <flocculant> jk^: ok - when did this Schermo get removed - what date?
[08:48] <jk^> mmmhh :\ i don't remember exactly few days ago
[08:50] <flocculant> jk^: you've not done any installing between January and December?
[08:50] <jk^> i use xubuntu since few days
[08:50] <flocculant> ok
[08:52] <flocculant> well that logs not much help
[08:53] <flocculant> so - did you check the imgur image - what do you have missing? did you install xubuntu-desktop like I said?
[08:53] <jk^> the applications installed and unistalled are all in that log?
[08:55] <flocculant> jk^: ok in a terminal run this command, cat /var/log/apt/history.log | pastebinit
[08:56] <flocculant> when it's done it will show a url - give the url please
[09:00] <jk^> i uploaded it
[09:00] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1642VWClHDRTffd-EfGqwY--ufpWyjZj4
[09:00] <knome> !imagebin | jk^
[09:01] <knome> preferrable to google drive..
[09:01] <jk^> i use g drive for comfort
[09:02] <knome> and for others' discomfort? :)
[09:02] <jk^> :-
[09:02] <flocculant> jk^: if you're asked to do something - can you do it - all I wanted was the url - and I don't particularly like google
[09:02] <jk^> :-o
[09:02] <jk^> i have no image to share
[09:04] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/n3eBXZwW
[09:06] <flocculant> jk^: where is it this Schermo should appear - assume it's in a menu somewhere - upload an image
[09:07] <jk^> i unistalled it from "Software"
[09:07] <flocculant> sigh
[09:08] <flocculant> don't care about that - I want an image of the menu that it is supposed to be in
[09:08] <flocculant> you've got about 5 minutes - it's xmas day and kid is awake
[09:10] <jk^> i don't know in which menu it could be appear :\
[09:10] <flocculant> then how do you know it's even missing?
[09:10] <jk^> i just see it in "Installed" within "Software"
[09:11] <jk^> for error i clicked "Unistall"
[09:12] <flocculant> ok - well without something we can actually work with no-one's going to be able to help you - a vague name isn't enough
[09:13] <flocculant> that said - if you don't know what it IS - don't worry, wait until you can't actually do something - then you'll have more information for us to help you with
[09:13] <flocculant> have a good day
[09:17] <jk^> thanks :)
[09:17] <jk^> happy Xmas :)
[09:23] <flocculant> no problem - I'd really suggest waiting to see if you find something missing
[14:31] <verynewuser> merry xmax/ is anyone here
[14:32] <verynewuser> xmas* oh or happy holidays
[14:39] <verynewuser> ok so I cant be entitled about getting help espesially on a holiday but shoot in the dark here goes: ive been installing xubuntu since noon yesterday and I just got an ip address ... im having trouble getting on wifi tried doing all the things I got from google but some things needed a reboot (dont know if I can reboot while installing)
[14:41] <verynewuser> first time with linux thought this distro would be good for an old mac
[14:52] <zleap> verynewuser: we can try and help
[14:53] <zleap> normally you reoot right at the end
[14:53] <zleap> reboot
[14:55] <verynewuser> wow thanks
[14:56] <zleap> recent installs seemed to pick up the wifi during the install process,
[14:56] <zleap> you just need the wifi password,  however i am sureif you connect to a working wired connection there is an install option to download drivers etc as you install
[14:59] <verynewuser> I dont have a ethernet cable but I could get one if need be
[14:59] <verynewuser> is it normal ive been istalling since noon yesterday?
[14:59] <zleap> no,  for me it takes < 1 hour
[14:59] <verynewuser> every thing other than wifi seems to work
[14:59] <zleap> and this is on an oldish netook
[15:00] <zleap> netbook
[15:00] <verynewuser> im on a 2007 mac that I am trying to give new life
[15:00] <zleap> what version of xubuntu are you tryingto install
[15:00] <zleap> i am guessing 17.10
[15:00] <verynewuser> the latest one I think, I dont know how to check
[15:01] <verynewuser> 17.10
[15:01] <zleap> ok
[15:01] <zleap> hmm,  normally in hte terminal window you can type lsb_release -a (on a working system)
[15:01] <verynewuser> im at starting network name resolution
[15:02] <zleap> i would see if you can get a network cable,
[15:02] <verynewuser> no lsb mudules are available
[15:02] <zleap> hmm
[15:03] <verynewuser> fair enough
[15:03] <zleap> so are you just selecting install or going to the live session then installing
[15:03] <verynewuser> am I on a good distro for a new user?
[15:04] <zleap> should be,  it could just be your hardware
[15:04] <zleap> but xfce is low resource,
[15:04] <verynewuser> I did instal with out trying it first
[15:04] <zleap> ok
[15:04] <zleap> either is fine, the live session is useful to see how quick it runs from live
[15:04] <verynewuser> I did get a harning about my hard drive being bad and had to retry the instal
[15:05] <verynewuser> warning (im not used to this keyboard)
[15:05] <zleap> np i am sure my b key is a bit dodgy here
[15:07] <zleap> i get so
[15:07] <verynewuser> im willing to go get a ethenet cable if thats the first thing I should try
[15:07] <zleap> i get warnings here too,,  someties they are harder to interpret
[15:07] <zleap> i would, it can then pull in any drivers it needs
[15:08] <verynewuser> I dont have a wifi icon, I tried setting up wifi with instaluating with terminal, tried setting up with the wifi settings
[15:08] <zleap> i am not sure what elese to suggest, if the hdd is dying then that could explain the slowness
[15:08] <zleap> i am guessing 2007 would be old ide hard disk
[15:08] <zleap> or very early sata
[15:09] <verynewuser> should I consider getting an ssd?
[15:09] <zleap> not sure,  would that work on a 2007 mac?
[15:09] <verynewuser> but even know
[15:09] <zleap> not sure
[15:10] <zleap> how much ram memory do you have
[15:10] <verynewuser> 4 I think
[15:11] <zleap> 4gb should be more than enough
[15:11] <verynewuser> theres a youtube vid about adding an ssd so maybe its a thing
[15:11] <zleap> ssds are faster
[15:12] <zleap> it may also be worth booting the install cd and running a memory test,   that can take a few hours but as it is quiet
[15:12] <zleap> you can run that,  and then when there are people here  say you have done that and provide results
[15:12] <verynewuser> memtest86?
[15:12] <zleap> it should be on the install / boot menu
[15:12] <zleap> but yea
[15:13] <verynewuser> im instaling on a usb
[15:13] <zleap> ah ok so from install media to usb
[15:14] <zleap> it should not that very long either way
[15:16] <verynewuser> im not on the boot menu thats the thing I was on, im in the destop enviroment
[15:16] <verynewuser> theres the instal window
[15:16] <verynewuser> with a black box with codelike things being displayed
[15:16] <verynewuser> im not using the corect words sorry about that
[15:17] <zleap> hmm
[15:18] <zleap> ok that could be a terminal window
[15:18] <zleap> normally graphical install doesn't display that
[15:19] <zleap> i ammore worried about giving out bad advice,  i would ask when someone is around
[15:22] <verynewuser> thank you thow
[15:22] <zleap> unless you get a terminal window up
[15:22] <zleap> no problem
[15:22] <verynewuser> I can use the terminal
[15:22] <verynewuser> ive had mixed results with it
[15:22] <zleap> ok
[15:22] <zleap> so this is a terninal window
[15:23] <zleap> yeah the command line is powerful if you know how to use it
[15:23] <zleap> can be a steep learning curve
[15:24] <verynewuser> can I put open memtest86 on the comand line?
[15:26] <verynewuser> unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or ttry with --fix-mising
[15:51] <zleap> hmm
[15:51] <zleap> i can never get these commands right
[15:53] <zleap> i am sure that is apt-get update --fix-missing
[15:53] <zleap> prefix with sudo i think
[15:57] <verynewuser> some index files failed to get dl. they have been ignored or old one used instead
[15:57] <zleap> sounds like something is wrong somewhere
[15:58] <zleap> do you have an ip address ?
[15:58] <zleap> ifconfig (old way but still works)
[16:01] <verynewuser> ether 58:b0:35 ....?
[16:02] <zleap> hmm
[16:02] <zleap> so no actual ip address
[16:02] <zleap> that could be the issue
[16:02] <verynewuser> I think so because I read in the black screen that it made an ip adress
[16:03] <zleap> ip addr | grep inet
[16:03] <zleap> ip is the newer ifconfig,  that willor does here display my ip address
[16:03] <zleap> ipv4, unless you're using ipv6
[16:09] <verynewuser> im having trouble making a vertical line....
[16:10] <verynewuser> got it
[16:11] <verynewuser> inet 127.0..... scope host lo
[16:11] <verynewuser> inet 6 scope host
[16:12] <verynewuser> so tomorow imm going to buy a ethernet cable and perhaps an ssd and follow ifixits guide
[16:12] <verynewuser> thank you for your help
[16:12] <verynewuser> I know I am fairly clueless
[16:16] <zleap> no proble,
[16:16] <zleap> it is nice to try and help
[16:16] <zleap> if you are new,  make lots of notes
[16:20] <verynewuser> so I see a icon with a arrow pointing up and one pointing down
[16:20] <verynewuser> when I click on it I see edit conectings
[16:20] <verynewuser> I tried adding my wifi but ÙI could get it to work
[16:21] <verynewuser> I dont see a wifi signal looking logo
[16:21] <verynewuser> my cursor is a loading thing and has been like that since yesterday afternoon
[16:23] <zleap> it maybe worth restarting
[16:23] <zleap> sounds like it has stalled
[16:23] <verynewuser> can I do that while it says installing and had lines of code like stuff runing
[16:23] <zleap> try doing ctrl-alt-fn, (f1 to f10) i am sure one of those may display something useful
[16:24] <zleap> i think so
[16:24] <zleap> but it if has been the same since yesterday there is clearly an issue
[16:24] <verynewuser> im on a multilingual can keyboard, but with a physical mac keyboard
[16:24] <zleap> ok
[16:25] <zleap> yeah when you choose the keymap you will need to specifiy the riht mac keyboard
[16:25] <verynewuser> ok I did f1
[16:26] <verynewuser> now I see xubuntu login:
[16:26] <verynewuser> and I dont know my usename
[16:26] <verynewuser> I think its xubuntu but it didnt work
[16:26] <zleap> you have not setthat up yet
[16:26] <zleap> wh\t do the other fn keys do
[16:27] <verynewuser> f5 made me get back to destop
[16:27] <zleap> ok
[16:27] <zleap> i am sure one should give you kernel or oher output
[16:27] <zleap> this is where i need help to help you
[16:29] <verynewuser> f8 give me a black screen with a horizontal line that is blinking
[16:29] <zleap> that is normal
[16:29] <zleap> sounds like it has stalled durin install if it had installed you would know the userid password
[16:30] <verynewuser> I remeber my passwrd but not the username
[16:30] <zleap> ok
[16:30] <verynewuser> maybe I should reinstall
[16:30] <zleap> yeah
[16:30] <zleap> which is what restarting will do,
[16:31] <verynewuser> should I get a new xubunto 17.10
[16:31] <zleap> maybe
[16:31] <verynewuser> re dl it to make sure its ok
[16:31] <verynewuser> ok im in no rush
[16:31] <zleap> did you check the integrity of the iso file when you downloaded it
[16:31] <verynewuser> and should be patient
[16:31] <zleap> md5sum usually
[16:32] <verynewuser> no I did not, nor do I know how to do that
[16:32] <verynewuser> ill google it
[16:32] <zleap> download iso file
[16:32] <zleap> download the md5sums file (MD5SUMS)
[16:32] <zleap> essentially that is a list of checksums for the iso file
[16:32] <zleap> put everything in the same place
[16:32] <zleap> then run i think md5sum -c MD5SUMS
[16:33] <zleap> most will fail, the iso you downloaded should get listed as ok
[16:33] <zleap> what that does is take each file in turn in the MD5SUMS and checks the calculaed checksum with that in the MD5SUMS file
[16:33] <verynewuser> I decided to check disk for defects
[16:33] <zleap> ok
[16:34] <zleap> there should be instructions on the xubuntu website
[16:35] <zleap> so in the MD5SUMS file you have file.iso and a list of letters / numbers in a line which is a hexadecimal represenaton calcuation of the data on the cd
[16:35] <zleap> so whqt yuou download should match what is in the MD5sum file for that iso
[16:36] <zleap> it is like paraty checking
[16:36] <verynewuser> I dont really understad what Im doing, what I did was dl the iso and unziped it and then restarted the mac while holding a buton
[16:37] <zleap> er ok
[16:37] <zleap> normally you put the iso file onm to a disk
[16:37] <zleap> as a disk image
[16:37] <zleap> rather than file on disk
[16:37] <verynewuser> the words you are using dont mean much to me...
[16:37] <verynewuser> oh
[16:37] <zleap> don't worry
[16:37] <verynewuser> ive got no errors
[16:37] <zleap> ok
[16:38] <zleap> so how did you make the current install disk
[16:38] <verynewuser> so I did the wrong thing but then managed to dl it anyways...
[16:38] <zleap> you downloaded it
[16:38] <verynewuser> is it because I didnt do the right thing that I could fully dl it
[16:39] <zleap> you need to put the iso image file on to a recordable (dvd probably) or you can put it on to a spare usb flash disk
[16:40] <verynewuser> the file I dl was an iso
[16:40] <zleap> yes
[16:40] <zleap> whuch is a disk imag
[16:40] <zleap> e
[16:40] <zleap> this goes on to a cd, this is confusing for a lot of people
[16:41] <zleap> so what OS are you using right now with irc
[16:41] <verynewuser> on this comp win 10
[16:41] <verynewuser> oh sorry
[16:42] <verynewuser> yes win 10
[16:42] <zleap> so there should be a windows tool to put the image on to a cd / dvd
[16:42] <verynewuser> irc is this chat thing
[16:42] <zleap> yeah
[16:42] <verynewuser> so you recomend using a cd instead of a usb
[16:43] <zleap> you can use either
[16:43] <rud0lf> i always use rufus for windows
[16:44] <zleap> rud0lf: is tere an iso checking tool for windows,  that isn't cli based as my md5sum -c MD5SUM does assume you're using linux based system
[16:44] <rud0lf> i bet there is
[16:45] <rud0lf> but why not cli based?
[16:45] <rud0lf> zleap: google gave me http://www.winmd5.com/
[16:45] <zleap> well verynewuser is using win10
[16:45] <rud0lf> looks simple
[16:46] <verynewuser> when I tried xubunto with out isntaling I boot to a desktop enviroment
[16:47] <verynewuser> now I see 2 icons with up and down arrows
[16:47] <zleap> that is the live cd
[16:47] <zleap> that i think is the network tool
[16:47] <verynewuser> it says enable conections, edit conections
[16:48] <zleap> ok
[16:48] <zleap> i would get an ether net cable
[16:48] <verynewuser> ok
[16:48] <zleap> that way if you connect computer to a network socket you know it is connected
[16:48] <verynewuser> thank you very much
[16:48] <verynewuser> im getting one tomorow
[16:48] <verynewuser> I have to go
[16:48] <zleap> but if it is getting as far as the live desktop that is a good thing the cd is working
[16:49] <zleap> i am still confused how it is booting but may e it finds a iso image on the mac and can boot from it, i am not famioar with the mac hardware / boot system
[16:54] <zleap> familiar
[17:24] <zleap> chat later
[18:13] <verynewuser> well I think I dl the amd version....
[18:20] <verynewuser> dont really know what im doing dl 16.04 on a newly formated usb, going to buy an ethernet tomorow
[19:10] <verynewuser> ok had a 2nd error related to the hard drive
[19:10] <verynewuser> I think im going to bite the bullet and get an ssd
[20:03] <roadapathy> Hello!
[20:03] <roadapathy> Where can I go to report a bug/regression?
[20:03] <well_laid_lawn> !bugs
[20:04] <roadapathy> Thank you, and Merry Christmas! ;-)
[20:05] <roadapathy> Does it matter that it's a bug in Xubuntu though? It's part of the core. My microphone and cam mic doesn't work in Xubuntu 17.10 anymore....
[20:11] <well_laid_lawn> roadapathy:  "If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives" so a bug in xubuntu counts
[20:21] <roadapathy> I reported it as a possible issue with recording devices.
[20:21] <roadapathy> Thanks!
[20:21] <roadapathy> I hope this helps. I'm not the expert on this. I couldn't fix it. I tried compiling new Kernel, updating Alsa and Pulseaudio- so I believe a bug report is in order.
[20:49] <verynewuser> well my mistake was user errer/incompetence I think im going to get it
[20:53] <verynewuser> with xbuntu one needs to configure a wifi before using it and after you set the security you get a prompt for a password, because I didnt see a prompt for a password I assumes there would be none
[20:53] <verynewuser> very newbie mistake
[20:53] <verynewuser> but I think I can get it to work
[21:02] <knome> verynewuser, actually you shouldn't need to do that, but sometimes network manager can be a bit wonky and it won't let you connect even if it asked you the password and you type right password
[21:03] <Maxis> error*, an errer is a person who errs
[21:05] <knome> Maxis, and that provided what kind of value to the discussion? (or in other words, i'm the only language police on this channel :P)
[21:07] <Maxis> It provided comfort to a brain hearing one word and two eyes hearing another! Sorry, it's an annoying habit.
[21:07] <knome> no worries
[21:07] <well_laid_lawn> I thought it was funny ...
[21:08] <knome> we do have #xubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatter if you're into that kind of thing
[21:08] <knome> well_laid_lawn, this channel isn't a popularity contest to make comments that the majority of people think are funny ontopic
[21:08] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic is that channel
[21:09] <knome> (literally)
[21:09] <verynewuser> if it helps english is my 2nd language and im out of practice
[21:10] <verynewuser> I did aprechiate it
[21:10] <knome> verynewuser, let me reassure you - it's ok - as long as we can understand you
[21:10] <knome> verynewuser, and for that matter, your english is fine :)
[21:10] <verynewuser> ok so ive added a wifi conection
[21:11] <verynewuser> ive put the same ssid and password as the one store on my win 10 pc
[21:12] <verynewuser> its checked by default to automatically connect to it
[21:13] <verynewuser> also is it normal that my installation says amd64 (I have intel)
[21:14] <knome> yes, the i386/amd64 names are a remnant from legacy times
[21:14] <verynewuser> ok
[21:14] <verynewuser> ty
[21:19] <verynewuser> when it prompts me to restart do I hold the same button I needed to hold when booting of the iso usb?
[21:19] <verynewuser> alt (its a mac)
[21:20] <knome> prompts to restart when?
[21:20] <verynewuser> during instal
[21:20] <knome> also please note that mac's aren't officially supported
[21:20] <verynewuser> noted
[21:21] <knome> when prompted to restart, just restart as you'd normally do
[21:21] <verynewuser> ok ty
[21:22] <verynewuser> if I cant put linux on this 2010 mac i
[21:23] <verynewuser> I dont know what to do with it, software is obsolete and apple stopped supporting it
[21:23] <knome> that's what happens with proprietary software
[21:24] <knome> granted, open source projects stop supporting certain os versions too, but you can most often just update to the latest and still get away with it
[21:25] <knome> (but 10 year old computers are 10 year old, and releases from this year are released 10 years after them, so obviously it doesn't always work out)
[21:25] <verynewuser> my family wont be buying anymore macs :)
[21:26] <knome> this isn't mac-specific, it also affects windows-powered machines
[21:26] <verynewuser> right, but is it to the same degree
[21:26] <knome> but yes, obviously coming from a linux channel, i recommend buying hardware that can run theoretically any operating system you might want to use
[21:27] <verynewuser> maybe ive just never seen a pc be too old to run a new version of windows
[21:28] <knome> this is starting to get a bit offtopic, but briefly more or less yes: many windows machines are on the lower end of the performance scale even when bought, and if you are trying to run an operating system 10 years from the future with one...
[21:28] <verynewuser> ive only seen it on a mac, my one data point isnt very scientific
[21:28] <knome> but also "runs smooth" is subjective, so some setup with an old computer and new OS might be acceptable for you but not me
[21:29] <verynewuser> its a spare comp for trip and what not
[21:29] <knome> depens on the use case too: if you only need to have a computer to check your emails once a month, anything that boots should be fine, but if you use your computer daily for work (even indirectly), it might not
[21:31] <knome> that's subjective too: some people don't mind some slowness on a trip, some want their hardware to be as fast as possible so they can get done with it ASAP
[21:31] <knome> again - totally subjective :)
[21:31] <verynewuser> thank you for the education/wisdom
[21:32] <knome> no problem
[21:33] <verynewuser> I have to go your guys are the best
[21:33] <knome> good luck