 @Flohack hello Florian. Sometimes when I try to open telegram it just loads a white blank page. I don't know if this log will be useful
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/26254326/
[00:55] <tgBot> Carlos Jones was added by: Carlos Jones
[00:58] <tgBot> <Carlos Jones> Merry Christmas I was invited by @Mohannes to join the group. I'm interested in hearing more about ubports. I'm willing to test with my devices. I have Nexus 5 and i'm very interested in when the project will be brought the nexus 6
 Let me rephrase, do you know if they will default the Ubuntu Touch and support Android as an option :)
 @AresMinos, This would be a great news!
 (Sticker, 512x467) https://irc.ubports.com/Y3F6I05y/file_3181
 @AresMinos, Do we know? Er, no?
 Do I think? Also no
[03:16] <tgBot> Baljit cheema was added by: Baljit cheema
[03:16] <tgBot> <Baljit cheema> can i install ubuntu on sony xperia e2
 You can find our supported devices at https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch, that one is not on the list unfortunately
 on Meizu MX4 the rootfs is mounted from /dev/mmcblk0p14 … but I cannot find any place where this actually gets mounted. … Also there is a symlink at /dev/disk/by-partlabel/system, that points at /dev/mmcblk0p14. I can't find neither where this symlink is created nor any script that mounts that one as rootfs. … Also /etc/fstab seems to be generated automatically at boot, because no edits made to it persits. … Any of you knows where to lo
 It's done in the initramfs
 And that symlink should be there from udev
 Fstab is indeed generated at boot, and it should say so in the file.
 @UniversalSuperBox, there is no comment about it here, but I'm now already looking in the initramfs
 The script in question is called `touch`
 I am now in this file in the scripts folder
 And you'll need to rebuild your boot image to change it. May I ask what you're trying to do?
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes, on my MX4 I dd my /dev/mmcblk0p14 into a file ubuntu.img, and I have successfully set it ub as a loopback device at boot. Now I want to mount that loopback device instead of the partition at boot. I want the rootfs to come from the file image instead the actual partition. … I am now trying to do that with initramfs, but ideally I would like to do it other way.
 There really isn't another way to do that.
 @UniversalSuperBox, you mean other than altering initramfs?
 Right
 I see, the reason i want to do it, is because I don't want to change partitionning, but I still want to make myself a bigger rootfs
 Really sounds like a good place to be using containers or chroots or links to your home folder, which resides on `data` rather than `system`
 @UniversalSuperBox, I also considered that, but now I want to try a different approach. … I also fear that MX4 will not remain supported for long :( So I want to be able to hack-open it a bit so it continues to serve me well.
 I mean, we normally boot from `/data/ubuntu.img` on ported devices, so it's not impossible or improbable.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I am trying to convert MX4 setup to be more like the one you described
 at least what I care for is the rootfs from a loopback device
 GitHub.com/UBports/ubports-boot
 Contains the scripts and such as they are used to boot nonstandard Halium installs
 It's my current project
 @UniversalSuperBox, thank you this is useful, but it will take me some time to figure it out, I am trying to understand the things backward, bits by bits. … Only yesterday @bhushanshah suggested that I should be looking for initramfs, you confirmed today, just found the scripts/touch script and basically I am moving very slow.  … Now this link is not something that I can immediately understand and use, but will try to come around to it
 I'm still figuring out exactly what it does
 @UniversalSuperBox, if you feel patient enough to help me catch up with it, I can offer you to help you with this project at least with the MX4 target
 Heheh, I'm working on possibly throwing it out. :P
 It's a lot of complex scripting and a hint of 'hope this works' magic. Both beautiful and terrifying.
 ideally it would be super amazing if we could at least change the current MX4 to also use loopback device. There would be a downside to it however: … the 2G of space in the mmcblk0p14 partition would just go unused. Unless someone else could figure it out (other than re-partitioning).
 That would involve a lot of work for a use-case that we don't hear often...
 @UniversalSuperBox, i understand. well, I'll keep trying for a while, until I either figure it out or pass on it
 Also, it means that a factory reset in the Android sense (nuke `/data`) means you've lightly bricked your phone
 I'm very interested in putting things in the system partition, not taking them out
 @UniversalSuperBox, I am not sure how, I lack full understanding, but here is what I want to attempt: … before the /dev/mmcblk0p14 gets mounted as rootfs, I want to call losetup /dev/loop1 /userdata/user-data/phablet/ubuntu.img. … The ubuntu.img is the dd copy of the mmcblk0p14 partition, btw. And loop1 because loop0 is already taken on MX4, it is mounted from /var/lib/lxc/android/system.img, which I don't know how/where it is being used (i
[03:53] <tgBot> 176M).  … Then I want to mount the loopback device as rootfs instead of mounting the mmcblk0p14, and then mount all the rest the same way it was.
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes but the partition is super small, so that's why I am tyring to do the other way around.
 Well, you don't need to worry about which loop device is being used
 Again, I'm not about what is prefered, but just about figuring this out for myself, so that without resizing partitions I can end up having a big rootfs with lots of space on it taken from the userdata space
 @UniversalSuperBox, you mean use the reference to .img file directly in fstab with the offset specified?
 Also the current loop0 is the Android system.img, which is required for everything to work
 @KrisJacewicz, Not at all
 @UniversalSuperBox, i thought so, it makes all the sense
 So, the init script actually does a lot
 I'm... Going to turn on my laptop
 @UniversalSuperBox, please tell me then
 Also, the system.img loopback device will move to loop1 automatically
 @UniversalSuperBox, should be carry this out in PM, or it belongs here?
 I need to make sense of ubports-boot myself, anyway
 Useful information for future seekers, maybe
 So, here's what happens, with some steps missing:
 @bhushanshah, very good if this is in deed the case, but I am not yet understanding where exactly I need to make modifications. Trying to guess out a script to add my commands for losetup and for altering the rootfs mounting
 You need to unpack boot.img, unpack initramfs, modify the script file and reflash
 1. Mount `/data/ubuntu.img` as `/root` … 2. Mount Android partitions into the `/root/android/*` area (This part is mighty confusing) … 3. Since this busybox session is currently running as PID 1, do some fancy magic to change root into `/root/` and execute `/sbin/init`, which is linked to `upstart`
 That's a super high-level overview of what happens
 @bhushanshah, don't you think it would suffice to overwrite the files at roontime then reboot?
 Nope
 @UniversalSuperBox, WOW
 Those files are inside of the initrd in boot.img
 @UniversalSuperBox, I mean overwrite the *.img files
 then reboot
 That's a good way to brick your phone
 even from a pivot chroot?
 pivot_root
 Oh, I forgot a step. The initrd mounts `/root/var/lib/lxc/android/system.img` on `/root/var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/`
 There's also some magic with libhybris and busybox and udevd, but I'm still wrapping my head around that part
 @UniversalSuperBox, I try to see if I can get rootfs from a loopback device with less work, instead of changing everything, just change the place where the partition gets mounted, and mount loopback device instead
 and leave everything else as is
 You can't
 Because `/` doesn't exist yet, by definitions
 So you can't modify something in `/` to change the behavior of mounting `/`
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes I know but there is some point in time where mmcblk0p14 gets mounted as that "/", and I want to act in that exact place
 That's in the initrd
 That place is initramfs
 so I am now looking for that exact place
 currently in the scripts/touch file of the initrd
 I could probably pull it up in ubports-boot, let me look
 I can sent the initramfs to you if you want
 from my phone
 No, that's ine
 in the touch script I don't see any other reference to mmcblk partitions than via loops
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot/blob/b775ead4c8196e8c3c500c956c0a94863dc0c766/initramfs/scripts/touch#L288
 so I don't think that tfile will be where I can maike it happen
 The partition is passed to it via the kernel cmdline
 There's a modified version of it on your phone, to support a partition rather than an image
 @UniversalSuperBox, I suppose that I need to find where it makes use of that pased partition info.
 Lines 226-243
 (Photo, 536x135) https://irc.ubports.com/lX3MQQVv/file_3183.jpg this?
 Somehow
 (Photo, 902x1026) https://irc.ubports.com/05o9UrS5/file_3185.jpg this is the scripts/touch on MX4
 I've been swimming in this code for... looks at watch a week now and I don't come anywhere near understanding it. It's not pretty. It's not fun. It's not a great idea to modify it.
 is it even possible to use losetup here? how would I call it, by ful path or just by "losetup"? Idon't know if /sbin/losetup is reachable at this low level
 No, you'd use `mount`
 Forget about losetup.
 @UniversalSuperBox, i see
 Can you get /proc/cmdline @KrisJacewicz ?
 thank you for clearing this one out
 I think it's easier to do then modify init-script
 That's not a bad idea
 @bhushanshah, but where would I be applying it?
 First, let's get the output from `cat /proc/cmdline`
 console=tty0 console=ttyMT0,115200n8 root=/dev/ram vmalloc=496M slub_max_order=0 slub_debug=O  lcm=1-hx8399_fhd_dsi_vdo_sharp fps=6085 vram=39845888 printk.disable_uart=1 bootprof.pl_t=1738 bootprof.lk_t=5345 androidboot.serialno=0123456789ABCDEF boot_reason=4 systempart=/dev/disk/by-partlabel/system datapart=/dev/disk/by-partlabel/userdata fixrtc eof
 Oh, bob's your uncle
 In theory
 You can kill sustempart from cmdline
 Toss ubuntu.img onto `/data`, symlink it to system.img, remove systempart from the cmdline.
 systempart=/dev/disk/by-partlabel/system … that is a symlink to /dev/mmcblk0p14
 And call it a day
 WOW (!!!)
 ok, I will test before we call it a day, but just WOW!
 And you'd edit the cmdline in the boot.img by pulling it off the device, editing it using `abootimg`, and then flashing it again
 There is no other way
 @UniversalSuperBox but... Let me be a devil's advocate and .... It is possible that this argument is passed by the bootloader
 @UniversalSuperBox, do you know any way to just test it before actually reflashing the bootimg?
 Nope, bootloops for days
 But you flash the original boot.img and it will go back to normal
 @bhushanshah, I doubt it, otherwise there'd be people running Flyme or LineageOS and having some nasty bootloops. I don't think the kernel likes extraneous parameters, does it?
 @bhushanshah, any way to verify other than by doing it and checking the result?
 No... that's about how I test things.
 Extract boot.img and give me the booting.conf file
 *bootimg
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sure kernel doesn't care what you pass it as cmdline, you can tell it ilovefancyunicorn and it will ignore it
 #lifegoals
 @bhushanshah, guys, where is the boot.img located?
 Ehm
 I think it is not called that, the boot image
 How did you get the initramfs?
 Ah yeah of course hmm
 it is already not std name, and it is a symlink to /usr/lib/ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd/initrd.img-touch-0.94vivid5ubports1
 and boot image is not there
 The boot image is a partition on your phone
 AH!! wow, sorry
 You need to figure out partition name for boot and then dd it to some file
 @bhushanshah, yup, working on it
 I had scatter.txt file that knows which partition is boot, looking for it...
 Also be super careful about dd command you use...
 @bhushanshah, OFFCOURSE
 @bhushanshah, OFFCOURSE x2
 Yeah, this is super getting into "I don't want my phone to boot any more" territory
 boot.img is 16M, you want it all or just the bootimg.conf?
 Just the config file
 on it...
 the cmdline is empty:
 bootsize = 0x1000000 … pagesize = 0x800 … kerneladdr = 0x40008000 … ramdiskaddr = 0x44000000 … secondaddr = 0x40f00000 … tagsaddr = 0x4e000000 … name = 1464004538 … cmdline =
 in the bootimg.conf
 should i try set it? would it make sense?
 Wonder where it comes from then
 @UniversalSuperBox, me wonders too
 Bhushan was right. -_
 Bootloader appends that to cmdline
 @bhushanshah, so would I want to change bootloader config or fix this line in the bootimg.cfg? If I fix it, will bootloader wtill append to it?
 *still
 You can't fix bootloader config
 It's probably embedded in the Ubuntu Edition bootloader, then... So it's stuck.
 It's not grub
 @bhushanshah, so the bootloader on UT has no config files to edit, it's hardcoded?
 aboot (fastboot) is closed-source.
 It's same in every Android device
 Not specific to ut
 What happened is Meizu built the bootloader with that cmdline embedded
 I still have another idea neverthless
 @bhushanshah, let's !
 I.e from where this is coming
 @UniversalSuperBox, maybe I can hex-edit it and it is in plain text
 could replace it with a path of equal length
 That's a really good way to make your phone never boot ever again
 Like, actually this time. There's no recovering from a broken bootloader.
 (in theory: yes)
 There is backup
 even with the mediatech chip's flashing software?
 😛
 But you need to have e.g JTAG
 (been there done that)
 It's only a backup if the phone is already opened. :P
 where on device is the bootloader stored? I just want to pick into it if the path is actually in plaintext
 here is the thing, my phone already has no NVRAM, I could afford to experiment on it. I could get another MX4 later
 Let's not touch bootloader
 ok, we're back to initramfs then?
 Instead, there is possibility that this cmdline option is coming from CMDLINE_EXTEND (?) option from kernel itself
 but guys, the mediatech software can flash phone based on scatter.txt and it allows to repartition things. So I am thinking, must there be a way that their bootloader permits a certain flexibility.. anyways
 @bhushanshah, how would I go about testing that?
 I would try to fixn kernel configuration
 *find
 @bhushanshah, cat "/boot/config-`uname -r`" | less ??
 @UniversalSuperBox interesting sidenote: canonical also had documented a way of working around bootloader that tries to be over smart
 Rather zcat /proc/config.gz
 pastebin? or grep something specific?
 Pastebin please
 https://pastebin.com/wdudy1EM
 @bhushanshah, how do you know this? just remember by heart or some way to figure it out?
 Okay, so it's not coming from bootloader
 Err kernel I mean
 So we're back to initramfs
 I mean I know u primarily know this because you know stuff, but for someone like me, how would I know how to check kernel config on UT, given that it is not same way as on Ubuntu desktop
 @bhushanshah, well, we will work with initramfs for now
 but we still can figure out the minimal effort, minimal change
 @KrisJacewicz, Well this is umm I had to Google once and then I remember it forever :p
 @bhushanshah, hahaha, respect man
 i was thinking there was some way to programatically just know how to get this
 I am back looking at my extracted initramfs...
 i have a question, so far I only ever mounted things into some mountpoint under /, so now I am not sure how do I mount ubuntu.img image as /, if the file itself sits on an unmounted partition. Is it even possible before the partition is mounted?
 You don't mount it to / manually
 Instead you mount it to where rootfs is expected to be mounted, then pivot_root will change it as /
 First read touch script to understand it better I'd say
 @bhushanshah, sorry @bhushanshah I am now about to do something for the very first time, so I am also learning
 @bhushanshah, yes but I also am still not sure if I am reading the correct script for the job. @UniversalSuperBox  I am reading the one called touch
[05:35] <tgBot> Alx14 was added by: Alx14
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 hopefully this isn't against the rules since it is relevant the group. I covered the UBports news on my news podcast this week. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQdLp_6kt7A
 merry christmas ubports
 Is it possible to globally disable all apps from logging?
 Stopping rsyslog seems to stop some of system logs.. I get some battery life gain with this.
[08:35] <tgBot> Groosha was added by: Groosha
 Hello everyone. I'd like to flash Ubuntu on my Oneplus One. What are your impressions? Battery life?
[08:40] <tgBot> SashkaT was added by: SashkaT
 I don't know why, but I'm really whant to flash Ubuntu Touch on my phone (hlte), so I have already started trying to port it. … I have some problems with building kernel, bat I think they are temporary.
[09:44] <tgBot> jeffangelion was added by: jeffangelion
 Guys, is it possible to port UBports to MTK?
 @jeffangelion depends
 do you have kernel source code?
 if yes, it's possible, but not pretty/easy
 @KrisJacewicz, It looks very interesting. Especially since Nexus 5 does not converge. … How did you install and configure it?  … Does it work using slimport and external monitor as well?
 Hello AMX14 and Sergey and Евгений and Саша and Evan Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @jeffangelion, MTK is a processor. What device have you in mind?
 @G1ott1, Nexus 5 does converge, it supports slimport. In fact I have ran XFCE and Mate desktop on a converged Nexus 5 on an external TV using slimport cable. Meizu MX4 on the other hand does not converge to an external monitor, but I also ran XFCE and Mate off of it, and I even ran them onto external monitor over ssh. Kind of alternative to a wireless streaming of converged desktop poissible with Meizu PRO 5. … I am currently writing a new bl
[10:06] <tgBot> post about various aspects of using UT as a desktop PC, including running some desktop environments on it such as XFCE, LXDE, Mate … The process is very simple but some packages have to be added, and there are few things to keep in mind. In few days when the post comes out you are free to check it out.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/1LizRXtT/file_3186.jpg using it with external mouse and keyboard is also nice, although the screen a bit small. I imagine this is much more practical on a tablet though.
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/S8u0qyME/file_3188.jpg works nicely in vertical mode
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/FuWIDa6y/file_3189.jpg as well as in horizontal mode, and auto-adjusts
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/CaI5zo0C/file_3191.jpg audacity works nicely
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/8pxBdvVP/file_3193.jpg so does firefox
 @jeffangelion, Broadly, Mediatek is very closed proprietary and you are flying blind if you attempt it
 it can work either with or without container. With container I used debootstrap, have not tried libertine. I ran it on both trusty and xenial cntainers on my vivid host.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/nBQu1nzx/file_3189.jpg this one is running directly off the phone, no containers
 Interesting 😁 Does it run smoothly? Which device do you have?
 (Photo, 736x555) https://irc.ubports.com/pkFUZGUM/file_3195.jpg
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qCGGRiPC/file_3188.jpg this one running off a trusty (14.04) container
 @Stereofont, Welp, I just wanna try something hardcore😉
 @peternerlich, it runs as smoothly as your RAM allows
 I have Nexus 5 and Meizu MX4
 @jeffangelion, Convert a lawnmower into a Formula One. Much, much easier
 @jeffangelion, Halium on any device is hardcore for sure. I suggest you adopt one that is already being worked on
[10:22] <tgBot> Sander_Smit was added by: Sander_Smit
 Hi Guys, do anyone know a good email clinet for Ubuntu? I try Dekko 2 but my inmails dont come in....
 @Xray2000, 😞 Seems you are being bit by https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues/66 as well. Expand the "Folders" section in the navigation panel and open your accounts folder view. Can you see the mail in "Inbox" from that view?
 @KrisJacewicz
 @Sander_Smit, Hello Sander. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phones-will-soon-run-android-apps-thanks-to-anbox-says-ubports-519118.shtml
 @KrisJacewicz … [...]Nexus 5 does converge, it supports slimport.[...] You are right, I ment that libertine does not work.  … [...]I am currently writing a new blog post about various aspects of using UT as a desktop PC[...] I will read it with full interest: the idea of using the phone as a (GNU/Linux)PC is exactly what I'm looking for.
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> nice1 guys!!
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/1nD6yAFs/file_3197.jpg I just was having discussion in another chat that UT device is just like a PC chassis: once you connect screen, keyboard and mouse to it, you end up having desktop experience.
 Of course, apart for the lack of USB port 😉
 the only thing is that UT also additionally sports a touch screen and people only focus on that. … Effectively I believe that majority of time we are not on the go (depend who, off course) but we are at location where we can access monitor, keyboard, muse. So UT is like a super portable PC chassis that you can always carry with you between work, home, firends place.
 @G1ott1, it has USB, you can connect a hub to split it into more
 @KrisJacewicz, And will it continue to support slimport? Brilliant!
 @G1ott1, this is not tested by me, but I '
 ve seen online dongle setups that claim to support exactly that:slimport+ usb hub
 @Sander_Smit @Xray2000 There is a Dutch UBports supergroup as well if you are interested: t.me/UBports_NL
 @DanChapman, Thanks now it works :)
 @KrisJacewicz, I will try it. After setting up the rest of the Desktop environment.
 this one is marjeted for desktop, no idea if it would work with phone: … https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/Micro-USB-OTG-Card-Reader-To-HDMI-Slimport-HDTV-TV-Adapter-Cabo-Cable-For-Samsung-Tablets/32371192828.html
 @KrisJacewicz, By the way, did you find out a way of fixing the touch pad not working when converging with nexus 5?
 http://www.siig.com/it-products/usb/docking/usb-3-1-type-c-hub-with-hdmi-pd-charging-adapter-4k-ready.html
 @G1ott1, no, not yet, but it is some sort of regression, it worked already in the old canonical's image. … @malditobastardo talked to me about the issue before I bough Nexus 5, and since we have still not fixed it
 @Georgecloon, Thansl!
 I see. Let me know if I can help somehow, i.e. test something.
 @G1ott1, personally I think the power is even more crucial than usb. I can still use BT keyboard/mouse/touchpadm but when serving desktop to an external screen over slimport I'd like to ideally also allow for the smartphone to charge. … On The internet I saw some setups that claim it. An additional cable splits off from the slimport dongle that you can plug to your wall socket and it will also charge your phone.
 @KrisJacewicz, That's the perfect docking station... I'm regretting having bought my usual slimport cable, which is even more expensive!
 also I recently use a very very special setup: … I have 3 screens on my deskt, 2 are connected to my PC, 1 is extra.  … I connect my Nexus 5 to the 3rd screen, and install raspi version of Synergy on it. That way all 3 monitors and 2 desktops (PC + UT) are used with the same mouse/keyboard (attache dto the PC) as one wery wide desktop.
 it's truly amazing!
 I can use mouse + kbd across these 3 monitor setup and share clipboard. Off course i cannot drag windows between UT and Desktop, but if you check out Synergy from Symless you will get the idea. It's AMAZING!
 @G1ott1, i only worry if phone can provide enough power to it. As I said before, have not yet tired it.
 the reason I can use synergy with my UT is because I run XFCE or Mate desktop in it, which both support Synergy. Mir currently does not, and it will not for some time.
 If the Desktop experience is worth I will give it a try 😊
 Also, Synergy will allow me to use even more desktop, including Windows and OSX, it is so good, I'm telling you. Will try to include this setup in my blog post with photos and videos.
 I plan to have just one PC, i.e. one mobile with ubports , but of course it is an interesting application for those eho nees high performances computers.
 @Xray2000, Super! I have an idea how to fix that bug, but as of yet i haven't been able to reproduce so it's a tricky one
 With XFCE do you use Xorg?
 @G1ott1, running in Xmir, so the Xmir serves as x server
 What is the difference with the stack used by libertine, which does not work?
 @DanChapman, Hi Dave, ok nog problem mebay one sugestion a option to change notification sound, and meaby you can add also when make a new account GMX.... I mean like you have now Google etc....
 @KrisJacewicz, my slimport adapter has a micro-USB port and I use it to charge while connected to a monitor, yours doesn't have that?
 @G1ott1, one big difference is that libertine uses proot, whereas I use regular chroot. … ALTHOUGH supposedly libertine should be also able to use LXC. … Anyways, there are some limitations due to proot, as there are good things about it. Good thing is that you don't need no sudo to use it at any stage. … Limitations, well, there is that lnown bug preventing proot to work with 16.04 installed in the container.   … I work on debootstrap 
[11:35] <tgBot> that I create manually as describied by me here: http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/12/easy-containers-on-ubuntu-touch.html … Debootstrap allows you to even run ARM linux container on your Ubuntu desktop (x86_64) thus you can build/compile apps for UT or any other arm linux natively in it. The portion that allows it is qemu-user-static and qemu-system-arm, which ar enot required when you make the container on the arm linux device directly. … The disadvantag
[11:35] <tgBot> root to create or chroot into this container, unlike with Libertine. I am making it convenient with gksudo added in the Exec line of the launcher on the phone. The launcher is directly in the apps scope, no separate scope like libertine does. pkexec does not work with this setup. I hope that after I publish my newest post, UBports team will at least consider adding gksu package to the default image. I will present plenty of reasons for doing so, but we'll see
[11:35] <tgBot> scripts will only allow you to make exact same distro in a container as on your host. With debootstrap you're free to do what ever. I ran both trusty and xenial distros in a container on the vivid host.
 Quick question: has anyone lost notifications on telegram recently? I have 2 bq e4.5 with Ubuntu for 2 people, no notifications since 3 days ago...
 also libertine has GUI, but I'm already making GUI for debootstrap chroot containers in ATU, I estimate it will land in January ready for use.
 I understand, thanx for the explaination.
[11:40] <tgBot> Ricardo was added by: Ricardo
 @G1ott1, Www.ubunlog.com
 @Pascal92, Merry Christmas People
 Www.ubunlog.com
 @per_sonne, have you upgraded to OTA3? notification server were moved from Canonical to UBports
 I'm on Bq e4.5, canonical image
 Should I reinstall?
 @KrisJacewicz, Do you think it would be possible to run XFCE over Xorg instead of unity/MIR, when converging, in order to save CPU?
 @per_sonne, They should be back now. Upgrade to OTA3, make sure you are signed into UbuntuOne and update Telegram - maybe twice. Restart Telegram and restart the devices
 @Ricardo, Hello Ricardo. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Someone whit bq e4.5 whit the last version of the  camera app, have a problem whit the flash and white calibrate photos?
 Does anyone know how to resize xmir windows?
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Can you flush the Camera app cache with UTtweaktool?
 @Javacookies, Mine has a micro-USB port to charge the as well... Also, I never tried to attach external memory or input devices to it.
 @Stereofont, I don't know, I will try and tell us. Thx!
 @DanChapman, I can test, if you want.
 @G1ott1, possible yes, but not straightforward. You would have to start x server on the phone. To run it in paralel with Mir would not save any resources :P To kill Mir in order to start xorg would be both challenging and present with its own pset of problems. … Perhaps it would save resources if you reboot your phone and not login, then ssh into it, and run xorg from a container. The container's overhead is not very signinficant, not as in V
[11:59] <tgBot> example. Also, if you did not login to your phone, it is possible that some resources have not been loaded. … Another possibility is that you use factory reset, and arrive to the initial configuration, where you choose language and all that, I imagine that even less resources are loaded at that stage, and if you are able to ssh into the phone at that stage and run something within container, you would gain even more resources for your desktop experience.
 @G1ott1, You do not need to chroot, you can also do it directly on the phone, I noted that. On my Nexus 5 i run it directly but my rootfs is 15G there. On my Meizu MX4 my rootfs is only 2G, so container solves the space issue for me. … Also there are few other aspects that make container a good/better option. I'm currently writing about it.
 @nfsprodriver, 3 finger touch on them
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/0HefuySX/file_3199.jpg 3-point touch makes any window (including xmir) sizable, but only in windowed mode
 http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/11/ubuntu-phone-windowed-landscape-mode.html
 OK. Thanks. I will wait your post, than test it, and ask again 😊
[12:12] <tgBot> Emanuel Monte90 was added by: Emanuel Monte90
 Welcome Emanuel Monte90! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To help you get up to speed, please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 (Photo, 1280x956) https://irc.ubports.com/AJ5KNaOD/file_3201.jpg
 @KrisJacewicz slimport + USB charge
 @malditobastardo, I have two very cheap ones that do not have this, one is Nexus5 like usb, another is TypeC
 but I'll get myself one that doe shave it
 :) Yeah, its kinda of "mandatory" for me bcause I use to go outside and plug the phone to watch some football streaming with friends.. so
 stuff like that
 sadly I have to carry a bluetooth speaker too because of the audio bug not being carried by the hdmi cable
 I'm planning to move from the fairphone2 to one plus one. FP2 its unusable for me, to many reboots 😢
 I just flashed my M10 FHD from Canonical to UBPorts stable with UBPorts installer, but after the flash it seems to get stuck on the splash screen forever. Any ideas?
 @TomasOqvist, I had same issue, leaving my tablet alone and power plugged in that screen solved it :0 (i have no technical information sorry)
 @arudy, Thanks, about for how long?
[13:19] <tgBot> Michael Fischer was added by: Michael Fischer
 I left it all night long, so i dont know how many time it really took
 :S
 (Because i sleep d'uring night :p )
 Hm, seems odd to have to do that. I tried to reboot, but it is still on the splash screen after 10 minutes.
 @TomasOqvist, I think it was long for me too, but it worked in the end
 Also, do you remember how many batteries left?
 70-80% I think. Of course I could plug it in, but maybe better to reflash?
 @TomasOqvist, last thing you can do is reboot to fastboot, and then again normally (power button again)
[13:25] <tgBot> YTKAB0BP was added by: YTKAB0BP
 @KrisJacewicz, I managed to get to System recovery [pwr] + [vol up], getting the options to wipe cache partition, reboot to bootloader or power down
[13:34] <tgBot> ARUN Mehra was added by: ARUN Mehra
 Ok, flashed once again, this time with the "wipe" option and it worked.
 @TomasOqvist, You can get the splash screen with only a partial install. Probably what has happened for you. I suggest repeat, maybe with different cables. If no success, join the Welcome Room for guidance
 @Stereofont, I worked after 2nd flash, now with "wipe" option.
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> !yay
 @YTKAB0BP, Hello YTKAB0BP and Arun. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @TomasOqvist, 👍
 Michael Have you been welcomed yet? If not, feel welcomed now! Glad to have you with us. You, too, check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed.
 guys, I need help
 Hi all! Can anyone help if my Nexus 5 stuck at google logo after using UBports installer?
 I can unbrick it, but I want to try the Ubuntu Touch on my phone...
 I'm trying to use the ubports installer to switch my BQ E4.5 from Canonical to Ubports, but it asks me to switch the phone to bootloader with power + vol down, but it enters factory mode and that's it. Whatn should I do?
 fastboot devices?
 Anyone?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> i tested the ubports installer snap and that didnt go well..
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> so i had to install the ubports installer from git, that installed all the needed files
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> that was on my bq 4.5
 @lotuspsychje, or from deb
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> krisjacewicz:indeed
 Any nuances I should worry about upgrading my pro 5 to ubports, I think it was the Chinese version I flashed
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/ZmzjE9Hv/file_3203.jpg
 Should be okay.
 @mariogrip why is how can i help ubuntu touch down btw?
 Probably because it was running off of his Pinebook?
 oh lol
 i need it back up :P
 Ok, I've managed it to boot
 I've wiped system and data with TWRP
 Than rebooted it to fastboot and installed Ubuntu Touch
 so, when the ubports installer says to boot into bootloader, it's actually fastboot?
 so, not power + vol down as stated, but power + vol up?
 the instructions are not clear at all
 @per_sonne, Yup
 ....
 this should be uptaded or adapted on installer for BQe4.5...
 it still doesn't detect the device
 @UniversalSuperBox, Seems like supported devices r constant. Not increasing. why?
 @sbjabire, Porting a device takes months of work and a highly skilled developer. These are both resources that we'd rather use to make the operating system better.
 It would be interesting you could choose saving the snapshoots in the SD card.
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> per_sonne how did you install ubports installer?
 @per_sonne, Not sure what you mean by factory mode but when the installer says 'bootloader' it doesn't mean the 'bootloader option in Fastboot
 do you have a BQ e4.5?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> i have a Bq 4.5 and the snap of ubports did not work for me per_sonne
 @per_sonne, I suggest Welcome Room for this
 @UniversalSuperBox, Well, I'm not a developer but I expect 2 be able install Ubtouch on my device. I like Ubuntu so much and hate to use Android. Any hope?
 @Stereofont, Lol-cakes! Thats my style.
 @sbjabire, What device have you got at the moment?
 @Stereofont, GiONEE P5 mini. But expecting to change it any moment.
 @sbjabire, I think you mean 'hope' not 'expect'. Translation from French?
 A tech site in the Netherlands are reporting about Ubports and the support of android apps on UT
 https://tweakers.net/nieuws/133291/mobiele-versie-ubuntu-krijgt-ondersteuning-voor-android-apps.html
 @KrisJacewicz, Was it you who was talking about the idea of focusing development on a raspberry pi for UT ?  I've been unable to stop thinking about this because of its entry price....seems loaded with potential.
 @Stereofont, U r right. 👍🏼
 @wayneoutthere, i was yes
 @sbjabire, Devices at the moment are limited. When the Halium project matures and 16.04 becomes standard, there will probably be another five or six devices. The device you have at the moment will almost certainly never run Ubuntu Touch
 @Stereofont, is there even a LineageOS tree for it
 @KrisJacewicz, Yeah...I was touching/feeling one last night and reminded this little package of potential...
 @vanyasem, or any tree at that point...
 I sincerely doubt that there is, so no, there will be no Halium for it
 @wayneoutthere, phrasing
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> did you guys read this? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/290746744/eelo-a-mobile-os-and-web-services-in-the-public-in
 I got a spam on it, actually
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> all kind of projects are rising, good for the future
 @vanyasem, 1Gb of RAM and Mediatek. Hopeless, to be honest
 @Stereofont, exactly
 no-no
 @sbjabire, A used Nexus 5 would be the simple option at the moment
 @Stereofont, That's meant one need to acquire a supported device? I now see the reason why canonical dump the project. Tnx 4 this information.
 @wayneoutthere, raspi can sport touchscreen sonit could mimic phone. It also has hdmi output so it can mimic phone with slimport.
 @Stereofont, Yeah that's a good option Tnx.
 it also has GSM shields: … https://www.cooking-hacks.com/documentation/tutorials/4g-gps-lte-wcdma-hspa-3g-gprs-shield-arduino-raspberry-pi-waspmote-tutorial/
 @sbjabire, I don't think that was a reason. It us very different from trying distros on a computer though. Each device has unique compatibility problems. I am assuming that OnePlusOne would be more difficult for you to find?
 @sbjabire, i dont think that was among the reasons they abandonned the project though.
 @sbjabire, 2nd hand nexus 5 is innexpensive and it sports slimport so you can connect external monitor or a bigscreen TV to it. Not every aupported phone will allow you to do that.
 but if u are going for it make sure you buy Nexus 5 and not Nexus 5X, especially if you buy it online, pay attention
 I appreciate these information thank you all. I may refer to u for any help in the future.
 if you're buying onlne, buy slimport, bluetooth keyboard, mouse and speaker...to fully experience Ubuntu Touch ;)
 if you really want to play with it and try out different things, I'll tell you how to use MultiROM and multiboot android, ubuntu touch, Sailfish OS and plasma mobile :P
 @Javacookies, Yeah, OK 👍🏼
 @Javacookies, For me MultiROM throws error on Ubuntu Touch card
 there's a modified apk so that it'll use ubports server instead of Canonical's
 @sbjabire, Certainly. We will be very happy to help
 @Crash_Burn, Unfortunately, the problem still occurs and forces me to restart the device many times, until the Wi-Fi starts correctly
[16:14] <tgBot> <Sebastian Dornack> @Javacookies, Do you know where to find the modified apk?
 try to search it from the xda forum for MultiROM Nexus 4...don;t worry it's compatible with Nexus 5
 @Sebastian Dornack, Tread carefully. Dual boot is quite broken and is not a recommended approach
 yeah, don't expect for it work forever...as of the moment, it does work fine...haven't found any issue yet ;)
[16:18] <tgBot> <Sebastian Dornack> Thanks, I just want to look around a bit, before I wipe my main phone when trying to port halium
 @Sebastian Dornack, Which device for Halium?
[16:19] <tgBot> <Sebastian Dornack> I'd love to get it to work on my Xiaomi Mi Mix (lithium)
[16:21] <tgBot> <Sebastian Dornack> I tried compiling it myself for the Nexus 5, though I didn't come that far. Didn't boot all the way it seems. Last messages in the kernel log were from systemd, but then nothing else
 @Sebastian Dornack, Huge battery. Not a hopeless choice. Has lot going for it. Best to work on alongside others with the same device though. Good luck
[16:25] <tgBot> <Sebastian Dornack> Thanks. Yeah, I don't know how far I'll come. That's why I'd love to have a second device running UBTouch while I work on it
 Is there an official tutorial about how to install Ubuntu Touch on a smartphone ?
 UBports installer
 @YTKAB0BP, Link?
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/
 @Fabio7891, If you are ready to do it I suggest you join the Welcome Room
 Those are long conversations and we try to take them out of here
 @Stereofont, Thank you. What is it this Welcome Room ?
 When I sent you a welcome it was in the links
 Hello Fabio. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Finally, I've found modified MultiROM! https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65536720&postcount=555
 @YTKAB0BP, Highly experimental and prone to break. Remember 'If it looks too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true'
 I know
 @YTKAB0BP, 👍
 Any "news" on the one plus 5 por
 port*
 sorry one plus3*
[17:38] <tgBot> Luk Van Beirendonck was added by: Luk Van Beirendonck
 Hello Luk! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 News on the 3 and 5 will probably come at the same or similar time tbh
 Thanks! I want to buy one or another. I'm tired of FP2. I'll wait until there
[17:54] <tgBot> Techgreed was added by: Techgreed
 Hi guys :)
 Can we this port as a daily driver on Oneplus one
 Use*
 It depends on your requirements, but yeah probably you could
[17:57] <tgBot> jhosman was added by: jhosman
 Hello, it's posible install Ubuntu in Xiaomi A1?
 @jhosman, At the moment I think its not possible
 And welcome Techgreed and @jhosman! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed. You already started asking, great! If it turns out to evolve into a more lengthy conversation, consider moving to the Newco
 😁👍
 Calls, WiFi, video playback and long lasting battery.
 I think I'd better be attentive to the channel :) …  https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=@ubports_news
 bye
 Make a backup of your android installation then flash Ubuntu Touch and take it for a spin
 I am currently at remote area with limited data connectivity, tried different OS's but Ubuntu touch remaining. Just for curiosity. Will give it a try when I reach home.
 👍
 @mateosalta, Is AIDA64 in Openstore?
 I find that system-settings is not catching all the apps update existing in openstore. I wiped my fp2, and in system-settings I can see the openstore and file manager update, but inside openstore I can find other 3 app update: clock; camera and calculator
 @Waldbursche, nope, the canonical store
 @dohbee, And this is closed. Anybody have the .click pakage?
 they have a forum for it on https://forums.aida64.com/forum/26-ubuntu-touch-forum/ even
 wow
 doesn't seem it really does too much though
 @Techgreed, That will have more to do with masts and the wireless hardware of your device but try it and see. I suppose in theory some aluminium foil shaped as a parabola could focus any weak signal? 🤔
 @Stereofont, Buy some pringles, find a bunch of wire, make an antenna. Or drive 30 minutes and try on a stable wifi. The choice is yours!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/l7ebeo8L/file_3204.click
 telegram is the new torrent?
 @Cesar_Herrera, You are a good man. Thank you. 👍🏻
[19:26] <tgBot> LedBass was added by: LedBass
 @Waldbursche I don't think aida64 was, it was put out by the company, might be dificult to persuade
 Nice info tool, would be a nice app for someone to build to get that aray of info in one spot
 @mateosalta, Okay, i think so
 Sorry @Cesar_Herrera, but I don't think AIDA64's license permits redistribution outside of the store.
 it does not
 @LedBass, Hi @LedBass.  Welcome to the group! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started and enjoy the community.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oha, okay...
 @wayneoutthere, Thanks! =)
 Sorry. I'll try delete it.
 It is done already
 We are 1111 members with @LedBass now! 🎉
 @UniversalSuperBox, It doesn't come to openstore?
 What I was thinking was make an app that did similar stuff, without looking at their code
 OK
 @Waldbursche, Only if AIDA says so
 @UniversalSuperBox, Okay
 @Waldbursche, You'll have to ask them to move it there
 See the forum link I posted earlier
 @dohbee, 👍🏻
 @LedBass, no prob.  we also have a welcoming kind of room where you can freely chat/speak/ask whatever instead of in front of the 1110 other members.  Some people feel more comfortable that way.
 Hi, I have just flashed my Nexus 5 with OTA-3, and I'm kind of lost without some apps I got used to and which are not available in the open store. I used to be able to download them from the canonical store, but that's gone. I know that the store closes these days, but somehow I expected that there would be a source for downloading the old click packages, though not maintained any longer. … I'm especially missing the today scope and the lib
[19:37] <tgBot> scope. Libertine comes installed with OTA-3, I can create a container and install packages into it — but I cannot launch the legacy apps. You need the libertine scope for that, but that is not in the open store. … Does that mean that libertine cannot be used any longer? And what about the "olde" packages from the canonical store, some of which worked really, really well and have not been ported to the open store? Can we get them somehow, or is all of this
[19:37] <tgBot> for Ubuntu Touch users?
 you can launch libertine apps from the terminal (though it is a bit daunting)
 yes, it would be nice if someone would build the libertine scope and upload it into the open store
 I tried, but it says it cannot connect to mir. And I'm lost there...
 not sure which other general apps you're referring to, but the developers really should bet he ones moving things to the open store
 @ruedigerkupper, how exactly? `ubuntu-app-launch $APPID` is how you launch apps in the terminal. you can run `ubuntu-app-launch-appids` to see the list of installed apps
 firefox in a container named "container would be like `container_firefox_0.0` for the $APPID for example
 @Waldbursche, I made it whith https://askubuntu.com/questions/784372/how-can-i-make-a-click-file-from-an-installed-app/784374#784374
 Thank you.
[19:42] <tgBot> ZGV163 was added by: ZGV163
 As for the libertine scope, anyone can grab the code at https://launchpad.net/libertine-scope and compile it, too
 Thank you! I'll give it a try. … Sure, you're right, developers should have cared porting their apps to the open store. Still we probably should face the fact that many didn't, and it's a really pity that all those apps are now lost for Ubuntu Touch users. I know it has been asked before: Isn't there some kind of "backup" of the old store?
 Even if there were, the apps aren't all GPL or similar
 Right.
 @dohbee, I'll try it in these days...
 there are many which are proprietary
 I will try the today scope
 @Joerg That will make you my hero 😉. I really loved it.
 Hi guy,  … Juste joined the group, wanted to know if any one had heard anything about touch on the eve V ?
 @ruedigerkupper, I'll give my best
 today-scope is at https://launchpad.net/today-scope
 and https://launchpad.net/scope-aggregator
 @dohbee, I have it allready
 it's a little bit of a weird one
 @dohbee, Thank you.
 the former has a pre-compiled binary of the latter in it already
 so you probably don't need to recompile it. just wanted to link both for clarity
 @dohbee, I'd volunteer for that, but I need an explanation of how to compile it and create a .click. Is that documented somewhere?
 Welcome @ZGV163! Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed!
 @ruedigerkupper, i think you can just open it in the ubuntu sdk, and just hit the "build a click" button or whatever it is (i forget the ui), and it will work, assuming you have a click target thing setup
 not sure where there is documentation on that these days
 I'll try to find out 😊.
 @ZGV163, Seeing how it ships with Windows 10 it would be the same process as getting UT to run on a normal PC or laptop. However, UT is designed to run on typical mobile phones, so it works by using low-level core drivers for the actual hardware from Android and builds on that, meaning that there is no bios as in a usual computer setup. This makes it more complicated, but maybe someone in this community already made such advances?
 @ruedigerkupper, https://forums.ubports.com/category/35/app-development
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Home
 Thanks!
 There's also the start of app development documenation at docs.ubports.com
 awesome
 I'll let you know how far I got 😉. Won't be before tomorrow, though.
 Anyway, great support! This is a place to get answers in a matter of seconds. It's a pleasure.
[21:00] <tgBot> diogosn was added by: diogosn
 Hi @diogosn! Please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[21:33] <tgBot> Thomas Dieker was added by: Thomas Dieker
 @Thomas Dieker, Hello Thomas. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
[21:51] <tgBot> <Thomas Dieker> Hello, in former times I wrote for Ubuntu 10.04 an handbook in german (https://web.archive.org/web/20110818150420/http://www.ubuntu-handbuch.de:80/ubuntu_1004), after that I got the Ubuntu Phone and tablet of course. Just today I got the information about your project. Now I am asking myself, how can I get involved in the project?
 Hi Guys, just i've made a wallpaper fur us. I hope it's okay so and it's not forbidden to use the ubports logos. It's 1080 x 1920
 send the original here
 and plz make a 4k version
 nefarious laugher :P
 The logos are all CC-BY-SA, so don't worry. :P
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/u1jnkeaf/file_3206.jpg
 that's a compressed copy
 @Thomas Dieker, Are you looking at documentation or something else?
 please send the original file
 Moment pls
 no prob
[21:54] <tgBot> oeddn was added by: oeddn
 @Waldbursche, uh?
 @vanyasem, patience, young Padawan
 @vanyasem, Keep cool. It's christmas time and i'm a old man...
[21:57] <tgBot> <Thomas Dieker> hello dalton, i am asking how can i help you? writing a documentation? doing stuff others don't like 😊
 Welcome @oeddn! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to alsk any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/pQ0pH8BL/file_3208.png
 @Thomas Dieker, Well, that depends mostly on your skillset. Seeing how you wrote that hand book I would see a good fit if you would choose to update it and work out what changed.
 @Thomas Dieker, Documentation is a big thing, we need any work we can get, as far as I understand it. It's just so difficult to grasp what the code base does and is able to do in detail
 @Thomas Dieker, Hmm, that's a very open-ended one. We post issues in software that we're not quite sure how to solve with the "Help wanted" tag on GitHub, if you wanted to see there: https://github.com/search?q=org%3Aubports+is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22help+wanted%22+ … Alternatively, we also have a Get Involved page that may show something you like: https://ubports.com/page/get-involved
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/P3eIvkOZ/file_3210.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/DqrPLK9d/file_3212.jpg Nexus 5
 @Thomas Dieker, You would probably like to join or German language group. You can find the invite link at the bottom of the newcomer document. Translation is rarely not 100%, though
 @UniversalSuperBox, wow. speaking of open-ended, a few of those look extremely broad
[22:04] <tgBot> <Thomas Dieker> that sounds good, thanks
 @peternerlich, Wait, I read that as "wrote a German Ubuntu Touch Guide"
[22:06] <tgBot> stkw0 was added by: stkw0
 @Waldbursche, thanks!!!
 I make one for the tablet. It comes in a few minutes
 Hi. I was installing ubports on bq e4.5 but it gets stuck after downloading the image (nothing more is printed after … ```2017/12/26 21:44:54 Flashing version 10 from ubports-touch/legacy channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device krillin … 69.21 MB / 69.21 MB [[22:08] <tgBot> [ Remove `--bootstrap` from the parameter list
 Hi @stkw0! Please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @peternerlich, thanks, I wasn't aware that there were more than one channel
 Yes, we exploded recently. The Supergroup is also super busy, so make sure you follow the @ubports_news for the important stuff!
 @stkw0, Yes, we exploded recently. The Supergroup is also super busy, so make sure you follow the @ubports_news for the important stuff!
 You are not alone :-)
 And should this conversation turn out to get rather lengthy, consider moving it to the Newcomers Room to take the pressure of the main group. Thanks!
 @UniversalSuperBox, btw, seems that it got installed correctly, but the script never exited.
 Oh, huh... Alright
 @stkw0, Don't worry
 sigh, now my n5 doesn't want to boot
 @stkw0, Do you  like the look of it (Ubuntu) on your phone
 and here i was going to fix a bug real quick
 @dohbee, :(
 Is that the broken one?
 well "broken" everything was working fine except for bt/wifi, in android before
 could be something weird with the xenial build
 I had the 16:04 on a nexus 5 earlier...very buggy. Wifi and bluetoothOK  but little else. OTA3. Is rocking though
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/lBcJgjCX/file_3214.png
 Its Libertine working with the N5? For me is not working
 i saw it reported already as a bug
 for some reason its just working on Bq devices
 but idk
 define "not working"
 @Waldbursche, plz 2960x1440
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/0y39tXSa/file_3216.jpg The login-window should be transparent
 @malditobastardo, what is "not working" exactly? there's nothing about the n5 that would especially mean it wouldn't work
 @vanyasem, same as your 1080p, but just bigger res. it's for a phone
 2560x1440 is 16:9, 2960x1440 is a bit wider
 Meaning he has... A new Samsung phone?
 @dohbee, https://forums.ubports.com/topic/262/desktop-apps/69
 @UniversalSuperBox, you got me
 I really want that wallpaper though
 Well, Libertine desktop apps just dont open, black screen and you go back to the dash
 I'm filled with useless information
 (EE) … fatal service error: … (EE)failed to conect to Mir:failed to connect:not accepted by server … (EE)
 I think this was reported in github too
 omg i hate stupid broken scrolling web sites
 Yeah, its a long thread
 well the length isn't an issue
 discourse is apparently just awful
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MqjF0XdO/file_3218.png
 i mean, i have 32 GB of RAM, chromium has plenty of room to load a long thread
 @dohbee, That's NodeBB
 oh
 so worse :)
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 I like it
 (Photo, 622x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Y1pTR351/file_3220.jpg
 loving it
 thank you
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/yxlDrZiZ/file_3222.jpg Ok fellers so I got a borrowed OPO and installed Ubuntu touch on it. Everything seems to be working smoothly except for these god damn tip overlays. They keep popping up and they will not go away....
 btw, what the heck happened to the adb authentication stuff?
 @vanyasem, 👍🏻
 it seems to have gotten stripped out?
 @dohbee, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/22
 @vanyasem, @vanyasem which song is it?
 @Waldbursche, Rickey F - Денди
 (Audio, 140s)https://irc.ubports.com/XNmjx40B/file_3223.mp3
 👍🏻
 Hi, guys. May i hope that someday anbox will ported to BQ E5 phone?
 we can discuss it in out off top chat @ubports_ot
 @vanyasem, (which means Dendy, Russian version of NES)
 @malditobastardo, well i can't seem to create a container and i have no idea why
 oh well.
 @per_sonne did you solve your problem?
 Yes, thank you
 @dohbee, 😿😿 hmmm. That's weird. Sadly I don't have the knowledge to help you
 Oh. I guess because of network
 Derp
 I have seen that is possible use Ubuntu Touch only on: Fairphone 2, Nexus 5 and OnePlus One. … When others phones will be ready for this new OS ?
 @Fabio7891, Nexus 4 , BQ E5 and BQ E4
 Thank you @Waldbursche !
 N5 ist better as N4
 I humbly recommend releasing a new OTA that resolves the data service issue introduced by OTA3 on Nexus 5 devices
 the solution so far is to use the development channel
 This situation is common with some distros... where 'stable' is impractical or broken, and it becomes necessary to use unstable packages or releases
 its not a good user experience
 What is the actual fix?
 the related ticket is here https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/376
 for some, the solution is to install the development channel update, then install stable again... but some people have reported that going back to stable causes cellular data to fail again
 I'm not familiar with the details and don't know what the _actual fix_ would be
 Right. I just mean that the real fix is not clear, so an OTA now won't necessarily help. Someone needs to understand the issue and make a real fix.
 Agreed