| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Its there.. Say something | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> There | 00:00 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Or cai post it 3 times again? | 00:00 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> can | 00:01 |
| wxl | the *2nd* one, where it's unplugged, @Bitocoinare? | 00:01 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Yes | 00:01 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Same thing | 00:01 |
| wxl | nope didn't see it | 00:01 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Ok.. You want us to continue here? | 00:01 |
| wxl | nope. just paste it there | 00:02 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Say something there.. please | 00:02 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> anything | 00:02 |
| wxl | you're not in there, at least not by nick, @Bitcoinare | 00:02 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Oh dear..lol Maybe I should have reloaded after disconnecting | 00:03 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> I've been typing away | 00:03 |
| wxl | who's the BIOS bug person, @tsimonq2 ? | 00:41 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Oh, right, ypwong | 00:41 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @tsimonq2, and now it's when I say how proud I feel about MY TEAM, because that's what you've been all these years | 01:43 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> but I still want my bloody beer! 😐 | 01:44 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Heh thanks :) | 01:44 |
| agaida | /me hands VikinRedwolf a Pils: http://www.bier1516.bayern/imagetypes/rex_lightbox/urquell.jpg | 01:47 |
| wxl | dumb question, @tsimonq2 but is 18.04 affected by this bug? should we be warning people against hardware testing? | 04:44 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, You might want to check with ypwong but I think it's been disabled there | 04:44 |
| wxl | also are phab emails working? did you get notification of the changes i did this morning? | 04:44 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Hm, no, didn't get that | 04:45 |
| wxl | so yeah you may want to check into whether mails are failing but http://phab.lubuntu.me/T1 | 04:45 |
| tsimonq2 | Hm ok | 04:46 |
| wxl | and give a think/ask around about hardware testing in 18.04, especially with alpha coming up | 04:47 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Ok | 04:47 |
| wxl | yes | 05:24 |
| wxl | bug 1347801 | 05:32 |
| ubot93 | Bug 1347801 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "No upgrade option on 'Installation type' screen" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1347801 | 05:32 |
| wxl | ignore that | 05:32 |
| wxl | hey @tsimonq2 want to talk about that GCI task for upgrading? | 05:35 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: yea sure what's up? | 05:36 |
| wxl | looks like we have four testcases for dealing with upgrades: 2 are for LTS, 2 are not and for each of them there's an upgrade with update-manager and an upgrade with the image e.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/163339/testcases | 05:36 |
| wxl | so i think the task is really, well, upgrading. it doesn't exactly test every single installation possibility, but it seems like that has worked out fine | 05:37 |
| wxl | the same logic was applied with the creation of the BIOS/UEFI testcases | 05:37 |
| wxl | so you have a problem with me just making this simple? | 05:38 |
| tsimonq2 | So what would be the reason for simplifying it? | 05:38 |
| tsimonq2 | I get why the BIOS/UEFI tasks are simple | 05:38 |
| tsimonq2 | But | 05:38 |
| wxl | because that's how the testcases are written XD | 05:39 |
| tsimonq2 | Why make this simple too? | 05:39 |
| tsimonq2 | hehe | 05:39 |
| tsimonq2 | well | 05:39 |
| tsimonq2 | I mean if you can give me a good justification for it then JFDI but otherwise what's the use? :) | 05:39 |
| wxl | well it's to test if the upgrade works correctly. admittedly, tif you, e.g. managed to install with XFS correctly, the upgrade isn't going to change that | 05:40 |
| tsimonq2 | Right? | 05:40 |
| wxl | so no need to test every single installation type | 05:40 |
| wxl | but that's kind of what you had suggested before.... | 05:40 |
| tsimonq2 | oh | 05:41 |
| tsimonq2 | hm | 05:41 |
| wxl | cuz really at that point, we might want to start questioning the validity of those testcases | 05:41 |
| wxl | as written, at least | 05:41 |
| tsimonq2 | Well to be clear, we should test amd64 and i386 image and update manager LTS->LTS and Regular->LTS upgrades. | 05:41 |
| tsimonq2 | So I mean | 05:41 |
| tsimonq2 | I see the use for them | 05:41 |
| wxl | yep | 05:41 |
| wxl | ok so we're on the same page then | 05:42 |
| tsimonq2 | Are we though? | 05:42 |
| tsimonq2 | Because I see the use for them as is ;) | 05:42 |
| wxl | i do, too | 05:42 |
| tsimonq2 | ok | 05:42 |
| tsimonq2 | Then cool | 05:42 |
| wxl | but what i heard you say was that you wanted the student to do every single type of installation and then do the upgrade on all of them and that's kind of insane | 05:42 |
| tsimonq2 | No | 05:42 |
| tsimonq2 | Maybe | 05:42 |
| wxl | no :) | 05:43 |
| tsimonq2 | Did I? O_o? | 05:43 |
| tsimonq2 | (that's what I'm questioning here) | 05:43 |
| wxl | that's what i thought i read but i dunno :) | 05:43 |
| tsimonq2 | Like I'm a fan of hard labor and all but like | 05:43 |
| tsimonq2 | Don't think I said that :) | 05:43 |
| tsimonq2 | anyways | 05:43 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: two more things I've been thinking about real quick | 05:43 |
| wxl | k | 05:43 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Once everybody gets back from break and all, wanna look into converting our seeds (at least for Bionic) to Git? | 05:44 |
| tsimonq2 | It's possible, I **THINK** | 05:44 |
| tsimonq2 | But we'd be doing the grunt work if not | 05:44 |
| wxl | that might be cool | 05:44 |
| tsimonq2 | I'd also like a +1 from gilir before actually doing it, but like, just a thought :) | 05:45 |
| wxl | as long as there isn't some weird bzr-only hook the canonical infrastructure has :/ | 05:45 |
| tsimonq2 | Because Bazaar is aaaaaaaaancient | 05:45 |
| wxl | bzr is alright but i'm happier with git | 05:45 |
| wxl | here was the confusing comment https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/25/%23ubuntu-google.html#t01:30 | 05:46 |
| tsimonq2 | Well do an apt source lubuntu-meta real quick and look at that fugly update.cfg real quick | 05:46 |
| tsimonq2 | So it might be | 05:46 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: oh? don't see how that's confusing :) | 05:47 |
| wxl | what i heard was "they need to do every installation type and try to upgrade each of them" | 05:47 |
| wxl | and yes i do see a bzr+ssh there | 05:47 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: no but look at the structure of it | 05:48 |
| tsimonq2 | bionic/bzr | 05:48 |
| tsimonq2 | so hmm | 05:48 |
| tsimonq2 | dunno | 05:48 |
| wxl | right that too | 05:48 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Anyways, that's not what I meant | 05:48 |
| wxl | and check out update | 05:48 |
| wxl | exec germinate-update-metapackage --bzr | 05:48 |
| tsimonq2 | ohhhhhhhh | 05:48 |
| tsimonq2 | so we CAN use Git | 05:48 |
| tsimonq2 | coooooooooool | 05:49 |
| wxl | maybe | 05:49 |
| wxl | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/en/man1/germinate-update-metapackage.1.html | 05:49 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: well I mean I'd like an ack from the likes of slangasek/infinity | 05:49 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah ik I just checked there, I see git XD | 05:49 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I'll play around it locally and I'll get an ACK/NACK once I know it's possible | 05:50 |
| wxl | the whole guessing from the uri is kind of interesting | 05:50 |
| tsimonq2 | (from all parties) | 05:50 |
| tsimonq2 | oh? | 05:50 |
| wxl | interesting, like annoying | 05:50 |
| wxl | The version control system to use is guessed from | 05:50 |
| wxl | the seed_base URL defined in the configuration file, trying git | 05:50 |
| wxl | then bzr if the URL is ambiguous. | 05:50 |
| wxl | ..although that latter clause is nice | 05:50 |
| wxl | if it can't be guess from the uri, it tries git first | 05:50 |
| tsimonq2 | Actually, let me try this now... | 05:50 |
| wxl | It may also | 05:51 |
| wxl | have a dist/vcs or dist/bzr section which can override the seed_base and | 05:51 |
| tsimonq2 | right | 05:51 |
| wxl | seed_dist values from the dist section if the --vcs or --bzr option | 05:51 |
| wxl | respectively is given. | 05:51 |
| wxl | ^^ update.cfg | 05:51 |
| wxl | so you could do [bionic/vcs] | 05:52 |
| tsimonq2 | right | 05:53 |
| wxl | then s/bzr/git/ and then you have to add the +git in there cuz ugh launchpad | 05:53 |
| tsimonq2 | right | 05:54 |
| tsimonq2 | hm | 05:54 |
| wxl | this man page is a wee confusing | 05:54 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Made the change locally with https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu.bionic (got it that way with git-remote-bzr <3), let's see if it crashes and burns | 05:54 |
| wxl | apparently seeds is mandatory in distribution sections, but there's not one in the dist/vcs section | 05:54 |
| wxl | so how did that no-follow-recommends test go? | 05:55 |
| tsimonq2 | There was literally little to no difference at all | 05:55 |
| tsimonq2 | So I think it went well :) | 05:56 |
| wxl | did you record the actual difference with real numbers? if not, you might want to do that :) | 05:56 |
| tsimonq2 | Might be a good idea ;) | 05:56 |
| wxl | you think? :) | 05:57 |
| tsimonq2 | k so git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu.bionic crashed and burned but it was complaining about ssh stuff, bleh, | 05:57 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll try https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ in there | 05:57 |
| tsimonq2 | er | 05:58 |
| tsimonq2 | I did a thing | 05:58 |
| tsimonq2 | brb | 05:58 |
| wxl | um | 06:01 |
| wxl | download links no existy http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/163340/downloads | 06:01 |
| tsimonq2 | O_o? | 06:07 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: ohhhh I see why it's crashing and burning | 06:11 |
| tsimonq2 | The Git autodetection sucks XD | 06:11 |
| wxl | toldya | 06:12 |
| wxl | but if it fails, it should try git first | 06:12 |
| tsimonq2 | right... | 06:14 |
| tsimonq2 | hmm | 06:14 |
| wxl | how's that? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/5709752640208896/preview/ | 06:15 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: lgtm | 06:15 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: OH, one more thing I want to talk to you about, while this is going | 06:16 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Do you have a Pi? | 06:16 |
| wxl | 3 of them XD | 06:16 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: What model/version? | 06:16 |
| wxl | one of each of the 3 :) | 06:16 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: How would you feel about Raspberry Pi images for Lubuntu Next being on official infra? ;) | 06:17 |
| tsimonq2 | Shouldn't be too hard to figure out | 06:17 |
| wxl | i guess we tried this before or something like it and it didn't work out too well | 06:17 |
| tsimonq2 | But I know Kylin and Budgie were wanting to do it | 06:17 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: oh? | 06:17 |
| tsimonq2 | do tell | 06:17 |
| wxl | maybe that's because it was the older chip | 06:17 |
| tsimonq2 | armhf vs arm64? | 06:18 |
| wxl | i'm not sure... i just know there are armhf testcases laying around from the He Who Shall Not Be Named days | 06:18 |
| tsimonq2 | oh | 06:18 |
| tsimonq2 | We did a Nexus thing I think | 06:18 |
| wxl | hm yeah i dunno | 06:18 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: But I know Ubuntu Server has official daily Pi images | 06:19 |
| tsimonq2 | Wanna piggyback? :) | 06:19 |
| wxl | yeah but huh | 06:19 |
| wxl | https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/ | 06:19 |
| tsimonq2 | RIght | 06:20 |
| wxl | i notice he's got core and server for pi 2 up there and they have "official" support | 06:20 |
| tsimonq2 | right | 06:20 |
| wxl | so it seems that there may be some bleedover both ways | 06:20 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeah, dunno how far he got | 06:20 |
| wxl | i'd definitely want to hook martin in | 06:20 |
| tsimonq2 | But I remember discussing with him about this at one point, we were thinking this was an 18.10 thing | 06:20 |
| tsimonq2 | But eh | 06:20 |
| wxl | but yes i'm into it | 06:20 |
| tsimonq2 | Ok cooool | 06:20 |
| wxl | afaik 2/3 are both armv7 so that should be good | 06:21 |
| wxl | 3 is armv8 | 06:22 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: well look at the archive | 06:22 |
| wxl | actually there was a late version of 2 which was, too | 06:22 |
| tsimonq2 | We have arm64 and armhf | 06:22 |
| tsimonq2 | iirc arm64 is Pi3 | 06:22 |
| wxl | don't think so | 06:22 |
| tsimonq2 | A good way to test this is to grab Debian | 06:22 |
| tsimonq2 | Throw it on there :) | 06:22 |
| tsimonq2 | Hmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe I read wrong then wxl | 06:23 |
| tsimonq2 | idk | 06:23 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 06:23 |
| wxl | there are arm chips that are server based that are 64 | 06:23 |
| wxl | https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort#Supported_devices | 06:23 |
| wxl | oh maybe armv8 IS 64 | 06:23 |
| wxl | hm | 06:23 |
| wxl | oh it is :) | 06:24 |
| tsimonq2 | OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 06:24 |
| tsimonq2 | I FIGURED THIS OUT | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | * Cloning branch bionic of git://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu/ | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | OHHHHHHHHH | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | So | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | I know what I gotta do now | 06:25 |
| wxl | no ssh eh? | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | Nah nah nah that's irrelevant | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: We can just have different Git branches | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | No more separate repos | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | Just new Git branch | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 06:25 |
| wxl | ah | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | OH so I know EXACTLY what to do now | 06:26 |
| tsimonq2 | Peeeeerrrrrffffffeeeeeccccctttttttt | 06:26 |
| wxl | https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi3 | 06:26 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: "The Raspberry Pi 3 is a version of the RaspberryPi which was released in February 2016. It contains a 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex-A53 CPU and hence is the first version of the RaspberryPi to support the arm64 architecture." | 06:27 |
| tsimonq2 | So I *was* right | 06:27 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: YESSS IT WORKS | 06:33 |
| tsimonq2 | https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu | 06:33 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @julienlavergne Since having our seed in Git seems to work fine with minimal config tweaks, would you be OK with us deprecating usage of the Bazaar branch once I get an ack from the Release Team? | 06:38 |
| wxl | good job, @tsimonq2. re: pi, check that page and you'll see all sorts of issues specifically related to the particular hardware on the pi, i.e. the arm64 chip ain't the only thing. | 06:44 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: hm ok | 06:45 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: and thanks | 06:45 |
| wxl | https://askubuntu.com/questions/984043/unable-to-make-changes-in-bios-after-17-10-installation | 06:48 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Link that to the guy in #ubuntu-devel but I don't think it's a good solution :/ | 06:48 |
| wxl | he'll see it | 06:48 |
| tsimonq2 | ok | 06:48 |
| wxl | i've seen this previously; ye ole update the kernel and all is well | 06:49 |
| wxl | i DON'T think that will fix all devices from what i can tell, but some | 06:49 |
| wxl | neat https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu | 06:49 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: And btw if you hate that the manual tests are in Bazaar, ask flocculant about a Git conversion. git-remote-bzr works well :) | 06:49 |
| tsimonq2 | heh right | 06:49 |
| wxl | however, re: ukuu as a solution for the average user, from the MainlineBuilds page: "These kernels are not supported and are not appropriate for production use. " | 06:53 |
| wxl | anyways bed calls | 06:54 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Ok bai, have fun :) | 06:54 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @agaida, yayyy! not a stout but it'll do | 10:50 |
| lubot | rbesTO_fox was added by: rbesTO_fox | 12:41 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @rbesTO_fox, o/ | 12:47 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @rbesTO_fox, Hey, welcome! Happy Holidays! | 15:20 |
| lubot | was removed by: tsimonq2 | 15:20 |
| lubot | <rbesTO_fox> thanks, and mine congratulations) | 15:29 |
| lubot | <rbesTO_fox> @tsimonq2, thanks, and mine congratulations) | 15:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @rbesTO_fox, :) | 15:30 |
| === RedWolf[m] is now known as redwolf[m] | ||
| redwolf[m] | !whois redwolf | 21:24 |
| lubot | <julienlavergne> @tsimonq2, Sure, thanks for this :-) | 21:28 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @julienlavergne, Cool :) | 21:28 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @julienlavergne!! I started with the "de-branded" icons | 22:01 |
| lubot | <julienlavergne> @VikingRedwolf, Nice :-) Let me know when the images / assets are available so I can do the packaging stuff | 23:19 |
| lubot | <rbesTO_fox> (Audio, 127s)http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_3181.mp3 | 23:36 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> :) | 23:40 |
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