[00:08] clausen: have you made any progress? [00:08] TJ-, trying to figure out how to use dd to recover the superblock backup [00:09] everything is poorly documented [00:09] (reading the e2fsprogs source...) [00:10] my naive guess would be: dd if=/dev/dm-1 seek=32768 bs=4k count=1 | dd of=/dev/dm-1 bs=4k count=1 [00:10] I just don't want to mess it up! [00:12] clausen: practice in an image on your working PC [00:12] TJ-, that's what I'm doing... [00:12] clausen: aha. I'd have focused on getting a USB flash device mounted in the intrd so I could chroot into it :) [00:13] TJ-, but I don't trust USB flash -- easy to hack the machine [00:13] what? [00:13] that makes absolutely no sense! [00:14] TJ-, I would have to write a new image to a USB flash device [00:14] but I don't have any machines I trust to do that [00:14] (they are all "dirty") [00:16] a liveISO isn't dirty, and you can verify that via the image hash, on the USB, from the eeebook, using sha*sum [00:17] TJ-, I don't trust the microcontroller on the USB flash device [00:17] (I do trust CD-ROMS though... but that' mysteriously not working either!) [00:20] well, if you're that paranoid, destroy the USB flash device after you've used it for recovery. If you've that level of paranoia what about the Asus UEFI, and Intel ME ? === Menzie is now known as Menzador [00:21] The Intel ME is much more likely to be compromised than USB firmware, yes [00:22] Better reflash the usb controller too, they could install a bug in the factory, or the factory could be hacked and their usb sticks compromised [00:22] that's not really true both are about equally crap is what I would say [00:23] TJ-, I disagree. The flash firmware could be attacked from my dirty machine [00:23] TJ-, Intel ME could be back-doored, but there's little I can do about that [00:23] thing is, if this Asus eeebook never has a network connection it's fine, as would be attaching even a compromised USB device to it, if that device is destroyed afterwards [00:23] TJ-, it accesses the network via USB (but a USB that only ever plugs into it, nothing else) [00:24] the usb itself can have a wireless antenna [00:24] (and it's fairly locked down, although admittedly not enough) [00:24] well, a wireless USB adapter does indeed... [00:24] as soon as there's a network it can be compromied, EFI has processes running even after the OS loads [00:24] even if you are airgapped. but it sounds like you are not even airgapped so you are definitely vulnerable [00:25] I use a USB Armory for sensitive stuff, and yubikey for keys [00:25] stupid question: is there a way to reset a VPS to the default packages? [00:26] clausen: don't you have an encrypted backup to restore from? [00:27] TJ-, no, I was in the process of replacing the whole system [00:27] (not really a good excuse!) [00:30] so we have sensitive data stored on a PC which has an apparently corrupted ext rootfs, with an out-of-support Ubuntu release, with expected tools missing from it's initrd.img, and cannot use an external USB device with recovery tooling. I swear it's xmas not April 1st! [00:31] TJ-, it's not the end of the world if I lose all the data [00:31] I'm poor :( [00:31] clausen: as long as you've got back-ups :) [00:31] I've got backups for the bits that really matter [00:33] (my main machine is a dirty qubes machine... I've been planning to buy a clean qubes machine) [00:33] (just no money!) [00:34] wasn't ubuntu created initially because debian was moving too slowly [00:36] I'd advise investing in a typewriter and a carrier pigeon [00:36] typewriter check I bought an electric typewriter a while back. no carrier pigeon yet [00:37] hello [00:37] some one is active [00:38] such patience [00:38] obviously nor [00:38] test [00:40] wondering, do canonical sell its users like say ms supposedly do? [00:41] (is the concept at all familiar?) [00:41] well supposedly is the key word there - what does it even mean to "sell" a user? [00:41] FruitView: I was sold into support slavery, but I blame myself, should have stayed off IRC more :) [00:41] They make money selling services to enterprise customers [00:41] okay i'll try to explain. [00:42] well [00:42] they have walked the line [00:42] in the past there was amazon "included" [00:42] ms just makes a shitty operating system and everyone accuses them not of that, but of "selling users" [00:42] At one point they added sponsored search [00:42] ^ [00:43] But removed that. Was several years ago [00:43] Unity dash once had the Amazon sponsored search results, but that was removed eventually [00:43] this is sort of shady, but as far as i understand, there are two approaches for handling malicious behavior, hacking, spying and that sort. [00:43] its still an open source OS, you can still look at the source and see what canonical is doing [00:43] so its much harder for them to pull shady acts [00:44] They do collect crash reports, if you elect to send them at the time of the report being generated [00:44] at some point justice dept was after MS for anti-trust violations and the search feature may have been part of that. none of that relates to "selling users" in any way [00:44] !fud [00:44] Please do not fall prey to, or spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) - it is not welcome here! Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt [00:44] One is technical, to put it simply, make systems which is safe. To spend energy on doing that, which takes a lot of effort and theoretically speaking i'm not even sure it can be done. [00:44] * blkadder loves doubt. It is the foundation of all honest inquiry. [00:44] TJ-, I successfully mounted root!!! [00:45] Hello [00:45] ubuntu's sponsored search was short lived and not all invasive [00:45] Like "I doubt it is a good idea to stick my finger in this light socket." [00:45] clausen: best copy out the e2fsfk tools and supporting libraries to the initrd, then unmount it again, and check it, before it is written to [00:45] Could someone confirm I've setup nickserv right? [00:45] theoretically speaking it can be done. interactive theorem proving could be used to prove vhdl + os + applications all operate according to spec without vulnerabilities. it would just take more effort than humans are willing to expend for security [00:46] Are my messages coming through? [00:46] xbonesx: you are currently logged in to it [00:46] Thanks [00:46] The other one, is to do social policing, instead of trying to prevent what anyway can't be prevented completely, arrange a market for it. [00:46] FruitView, If you're concerned about security while using Ubuntu then look at hardening guides and be careful of software from the universe repo (it doesn't get official support or patches) [00:46] do monopoly, that is. [00:46] FruitView: your topic, whilst interesting, would be better in #ubuntu-discuss - this channel is for support issues [00:47] okay, i'll take it there. thanks. [00:47] I've been searching for a while now trying to figure out how to start the firewall service without installing a frontend like ufw or gufw. I've already configured iptables to my liking. Could someone assist me please? [00:47] says the guy who drivelled on about the security of his non-airgapped non-ubuntu system for 1/2hr === adder is now known as adder_ [00:48] i really like ubuntu btw, especially unity [00:48] xbonesx: Linux firewall is built-in, it's running once iptables/nftables loads the rules === adder_ is now known as adder [00:48] * colints laughs at air-gapped [00:49] TJ-, it booted into maintenance mode; I remounted read-only, and e2fsck'd it [00:49] it's fine now :) [00:49] TickerTape: it's clausen's PC that's air-gapped, and it's an Ubuntu system [00:49] TJ-, is there a way to verify that the service is in fact running and utilizing my iptables settings? I've installed iptables-persistent. [00:49] TJ-, it's not airgapped [00:49] I can ssh out of it [00:49] (but not into it) [00:49] clausen: check the logs try to figure out what went wrong (/var/log/ syslog kern.log auth.log and possiblely apt/history.log) [00:50] xbonesx: "iptables -nvL" will list all rules [00:50] TJ-, So if the rules are present then they are loaded? [00:50] xbonesx: correct [00:51] lucky about that maintenance mode then [00:51] TJ-, Thank you sir, I just wasn't sure. All the articles I've read state that ufw or another service has to be ran to initially get the service running. [00:51] xbonesx: usually the persistent rules are loaded during early init and saved on shutdown [00:51] TJ-, I thought so just wanted reassurance [00:51] xbonesx: ufw is just a friendly wrapper around using iptables to set the netfilters rules [00:52] TJ-, so, any hypotheses on why the superblock got corrupted? [00:54] clausen: usually power is lost in the midst of a write operation [00:55] clausen: next is RAM corruption causing data to be written to the wrong sector [01:06] Hello, I was originally looking to live boot Ubuntu Xenial Server edition via a live USB with persistence, but I see that feature is not available until 18.04 seemingly. With that said, is there anyway to have Ubuntu only load CLI on start, preferabbly with no traces of the GUI? I'd like to free up as many CPU cycles as possible. Thoughts? [01:07] I know you can edit your GRUB config, but does that still load GUI precursors on start? I'd also beenfit from simply slimming down the desktop image. [01:07] TJ-, the second one sounds plausible (but not the first -- very little IO) [01:08] !minimal | precise Best to build up rather than tear down: [01:08] precise Best to build up rather than tear down:: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:09] Bashing-om: Wow... how did I miss that? Clicking now, thanks! [01:09] precise: on the kernel command line add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" [01:09] Would anyone like to discuss setting up ftp access to a specific folder? I'm reading up on it right now, essentially I want a buddy to have access to help me keep the server maintained [01:09] TJ-: What does that do? [01:09] precise: boots into multi-user mode as normal but doesn't start the GUI [01:10] TJ-: Ok, thanks! [01:12] sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target and return to gui sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target [01:13] TJ-, thanks so much for your help! [01:13] TJ-, the irony of all this is that I was using the secure machine to establish a new backup system... [01:13] TJ-, it's all good to go now! [01:14] clausen: back up before it dies again :) [01:15] clausen: and use lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-... to find out why/where the ext fsck tools have got to [01:15] clausen: also "update-initramfs -v -u -k $(uname -r)" to get a log of everything that is being put in the initrd === nevermind is now known as Guest50009 [01:26] So, I have some Ubuntu servers that I want to send their logs to a remote server. I have a server with Graylog. I found systemd-journal-remote but that looks like that's a server, not a client. === blockchain is now known as Guest27504 [01:29] ImageJPEG, possible to automate this task using ftp? [01:30] Probably not. I've got all my other servers working this way. They use some variant of syslog though because they're either FreeBSD or OpenBSD. [01:30] I strongly dislike how systemd tries to do everything [01:32] hah. I was wondering so I tried to enter ctrl-alt-f* when xscreensaaver is running. [01:32] it worked fine. I guess it was crash that caused it to not work [01:32] ImageJPEG: you can still use rsyslog the same way [01:33] Wouldn't I have to go through the nightmare of switching syslogs? [01:34] ImageJPEG: or you can do systemd-journal-upload > systemd-journal-remote [01:35] This is ridiculous. :/ All I literally had to do to get my BSD servers working was remove everything in syslog.conf and place "*.* @remoteIP:PORT". [01:36] ImageJPEG: in Ubuntu journald is forwarding to syslog, so you can get syslog to forward [01:37] i love bsd [01:37] I didn't find a syslog.conf in /etc [01:37] what flavor of bsd is it [01:37] I use both FreeBSD and OpenBSD. [01:37] FreeBSD for my MySQL and web server, OpenBSD for my Tor node. [01:37] i like dragonfly bsd and netbsd [01:37] but ubuntu on the ol laptop [01:37] Everything runs on Proxmox though [01:38] I have a Ubuntu server to host my Unifi Controller and another installation to have my DNS server and a few other services I want to use locally. [01:38] ever play with debian/kFreebsd? [01:39] Like once lol [01:39] ImageJPEG: Ubuntu uses rsyslogd as it's syslog [01:39] i tried to install it in a VM last night but all the servers 404d [01:39] How long before they go to systemd :/ [01:39] bsd? [01:39] lol [01:39] No, Ubuntu [01:39] in terms of full time systemd for syslog [01:39] oh [01:40] am i the only person in the world who doesnt care about systemd [01:41] Wow, my internet has really gone down the shitter since my isp crapped out about an hour ago. [01:41] I'll BRB...gonna reset my modem. === nevermind is now known as Guest16134 [02:23] hi [02:34] I have changed my default shell using chsh but I still get ksh when I log on why? [02:50] Hello is anyone here? [02:51] Hey guys [02:52] Anyone an expert in bash scripting or ssh? [02:53] fahadash: Have you checked your .bashrc file? [02:54] LiinusTorvalds55: What is your actual question? [02:54] chsh does not work? [02:54] I have not looked at .bashrc file at all [02:54] fahadash: Have you checked that /etc/passwd has the correct shell for your user? [02:55] fahadash: Something like: grep fahadash /etc/passwd [02:56] If I have a line in a file at position 50, how can I replace that line? [02:56] fahadash: did you use sudo to change it? [02:56] LiinusTorvalds55: There are a few different tools to do the job. You can use sed for one. [02:57] Linus: sed -i '34s/AAA/BBB/' file_name [02:57] I've always seen it but haven't learned it. I should probably just bite the bullet already. [02:57] LiinusTorvalds55: sed -i '34s/AAA/BBB/' file_name [02:57] I edited passwd file, it wont let me save. vim says "Unable to open file for writing" [02:57] LiinusTorvalds55: first result when searching google for "sed replace line number" [02:58] fahadash: you need to use sudo [02:58] fahadash: you probably should have used sudo for chsh as well === marcos is now known as Guest29179 [02:58] fahadash what file? [02:59] fahadash: You should not be manually editing your passwd file. Use chsh. sudo chsh -s /bin/bash fahadash something like that. [02:59] leftyfb: It works [02:59] I may have used chsh without sudo but I don't remember getting any error [03:00] I must be missing something in my configuration, I can't seem to vnc to my machine [03:00] rypervenche: I changed the passwd file added the shell path after the home dir path and it work [03:00] *works [03:00] I've installed the server and have it running, also opened the ports in my firewall, still no connection. Do I have to open the ports on my router as well? [03:00] xbonesx, yep you need a server and open up the firewall as well [03:01] yes [03:01] I suggest install bum [03:01] linux firewalls are set, router too? [03:01] also forward in your routor [03:01] ok thanks ill try [03:01] xbonesx: only if you're trying to connect to vnc from the internet (NOT recommended) [03:01] sudo apt-get install bum [03:01] leftyfb, oh right, no this is lan [03:01] xbonesx: then don't touch your router [03:02] I wonder if my windows firewall is preventing it then [03:02] hmm [03:03] This has less people than I thought. [03:03] so my windows firewall detected the outgoing request and i made a rule for it [03:03] still no apples [03:03] xbonesx: on ubuntu run: sudo lsof -i :5900 [03:04] or sudo lsof -i -sTCP:LISTEN [03:04] the server said it was running on 5901 [03:04] or sudo lsof -i -sTCP:LISTEN | grep 5901 [03:04] should i adjust my linux firewall for 5900? [03:04] xboxnot unless it's running on 5900 [03:04] no return [03:05] xbonesx: ^ [03:05] xbonesx: for which port? [03:05] 5901 [03:05] or 5900 [03:05] What will happen is I install and put SELinux in enforcing mode on a Ubuntu 16.04? [03:05] try 5900 [03:05] maybe the service isnt running one sec [03:05] ok so it's not running [03:05] *if [03:05] sudo service start ... [03:06] service is running now, forgot i haven't set it to start after restart [03:07] running and no connection [03:07] metaphysician, i suggest you put it in permissive and see what it may want to block [03:07] xbonesx: what does lsof say? [03:07] listening on 5901 [03:07] ok, then you need to specify that port in your vnc client since 5900 is the default [03:08] ok [03:08] xbonesx: next test if that fails it to try and connect locally [03:09] so i install tightvnc from a non-root user [03:09] I started the service from the same account [03:09] does the influence anything? [03:09] xbonesx: I'm pretty sure remmina vnc client is installed by default [03:10] ok I have my box to start to cmd, give me a moment and ill test [03:11] helli [03:12] does having ssh configure make a difference? [03:12] no [03:12] configured* [03:12] k [03:12] well [03:12] yes [03:12] don't do that in the client [03:12] having it configured and running as a server on the same machine doesn't matter [03:13] ok === gerald is now known as Guest80507 [03:14] hello [03:15] hello [03:16] Hello, guys! [03:16] i like kano say 1 if you agree [03:16] lol [03:16] Creeperdude2409: Do you have a support question? [03:16] no [03:18] Creeperdude2409: then you might want to try #ubuntu-offtopic [03:18] ohhh [03:18] oke dokey [03:19] hello [03:20] hello [03:21] hi [03:21] is there a way to make wayland listen to keystrokes and log that to a file? [03:22] hello [03:22] CollinGrimm: there are solutions to key logging not reliant on wayland [03:23] leftyfb, ok so i was able to connect too 5902 session from the machine with the server [03:23] how do i type a tilde [03:23] ~ [03:23] leftyfb, 5901 was in use because the session I'm logged into [03:23] do you use the US keyboard [03:23] Creeperdude2409: use your keyboard. For further help with such things, try #computers [03:23] * ste suggests stop the creeping [03:24] my name is referencing a Creeper from Minecraft [03:24] ~ [03:24] oh i figured it out [03:25] there you do [03:25] *go [03:25] i did fn + 8 [03:26] leftyfb: OK. How will you suggest doing so please? I'm trying to monitor my little brother's computer. [03:26] thats pretty creepy [03:27] its probably for seeing if hes doing things hes supposed to [03:27] CollinGrimm: I don't think that's the type of help you're going to get here. There's no way to validate whether or not you're doing this without malice. [03:27] thats not really your job as a brother, its your parents job. [03:27] true [03:28] well. you're right. I had a feeling it will sound shady asking here. anyways, thanks for your help. I'll try figuring it out leftyfb [03:29] what time is it [03:29] it is 19:29 PST [03:29] Hey everyone. I just built a new machine with a Ryzen 1600x and I need a newer kernel to support am4 sensors. How can I easily upgrade to kernel 4.11 in 16.04 LTS? [03:29] recompile the kernel [03:29] CollinGrimm: look into dansguardian [03:29] leftyfb, connecting to the vncserver from the machine hosting it was a success, although it was on port 5902 because my logged session was using 5901 [03:30] you can apt install linux-image-3.13... [03:30] to install a newer kernel version [03:30] cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.11.0-14-generic [03:30] ^ [03:31] xbonesx:get rid of nes in your name and you get xbox [03:31] lol i had this name before the xbox came out bro [03:31] Creeperdude2409: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support. Please keep it free of other unrelated comments, thanks. [03:31] oh sorry [03:31] im new to xchat btw [03:32] you mean IRC [03:32] yah you are new [03:32] im using xchat on my kano [03:32] hI THER [03:32] !hwe | cyberspectre [03:32] cyberspectre: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack === armeg is now known as jrgilman [03:35] hmm, its not my local machine firewall, not the remote machine firewall, I'm able to connect from the remote machine to the remote machine, just not from the local mahcine [03:35] xbonesx: are you using the correct ip address from your windows machine? Try a different client? [03:36] I using the one provided after the server starts [03:36] I tried using the actual lan ip and port and that didn't work either [03:36] actual lan ip? As opposed to? [03:37] tightvncserver gives a "hostname" to connect too [03:38] xbonesx: can I ask why you need a VNC server to begin with? [03:38] um [03:38] really... [03:39] I don't [03:39] Most tasks I need to do I can do from the cmd [03:39] but I was wondering if I could get it setup or not [03:39] either way, I would suggest installing x11vnc and trying that [03:39] sudo x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw [03:40] killall other vnc servers btw === Albertx1 is now known as Albertx [03:40] I might give it a try, I imagine there is some configuration for tightvnc that I'm missin [03:41] I'm going to test a connection from a linux machine to it, see if its a windows thing [03:41] leftyfb, Bashing-om thank you [03:42] now I have no display on boot so I'll need help again in a minute lol [03:43] cyberspectre: Did you install the new kernel, and now a proprietary driver is broke ? ' sudo lshw -C display ' . [03:43] cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-image-extra-4.11.0-14-generic [03:44] cyberspectre: if you installed the 4.11 kernel [03:44] install the latest kernel always [03:44] *almost always [03:45] hello everyone - i think i've read just about every tutorial online to get bind to work with nsupdate but no luck. my end goal is to make my own dynamic dns server on a subdomain. i am getting mixed results from update failed: SERVFAIL to update failed: REFUSED. can anyone assist? [03:45] dont think #ubuntu is the best place for help with bind [03:46] leftyfb, so when attempting a connection from another ubuntu machine, I get route to host unknow [03:46] i dont think there are any good places to get help with bind [03:46] unknown* [03:46] does bind have a irc? [03:46] yeah everyone is a ghost [03:46] leftyfb, Bashing-om, I installed 4.11 and I'm having this issue https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/341920/fix-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-16-04-when-getting-the-stopping-user-manager-for-u [03:46] thats what i guessed [03:46] Possibly incorrect firewall settings? [03:46] there's #ubuntu-server, but it tends to be quiet around this time of day [03:47] Normally it'd be no problem to just boot with the older kernel, but for some reason, on this machine, grub doesn't show [03:47] xbonesx: wrong ip then [03:47] it shows what looks like a frame of grub for a split second and then boots [03:47] hmm def right ip, I ran ifconfig to verify [03:48] cyberspectre: reinstall the nvidia drivers [03:48] orizzle: just a sec [03:48] leftyfb, I will as soon as I figure out how to get a console [03:48] my three port instances in iptables come after the reject icmp request though, wonder if that is the issue [03:48] cyberspectre: CTRL+ALT+F2 [03:48] CTRL+ALT+F2 get console [03:48] xbonesx: kill all firewalls to test [03:49] or C-A-345689 [03:49] leftyfb, got it [03:49] leftyfb, sudo apt-get purge nvidia*? [03:49] good idea, thanks [03:50] orizzle: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26261879/ [03:50] that should get you started [03:51] cyberspectre: headers installed for the new kernel to enable building a nvidia module ?? [03:51] I have no problem using nsupdate with that [03:51] kk4ewt: which desktop environment has better SELinux support? Gnome/Xfce/Mate/Cinnamon/Lxde/KDE? [03:51] Bashing-om, no. Installed to support AM4 temp sensors [03:51] metaphysician: you know SELinux is mainly for Redhat distro's where as Ubuntu uses apparmor right? [03:52] leftyfb: yes [03:52] cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-4.11.0-14 [03:52] leftyfb, did that [03:52] cyberspectre: No linux-header for the current kernel, can not build the nvidia driver . [03:52] oh I see [03:53] headers in addition to image [03:54] Yes, booting with the newer kernel but not the proper headers causes some weird stuff [03:56] Bashing-om, leftyfb the new kernel makes it so that networking doesn't work, presumably because I didn't install the headers. I need to boot with the older kernel and then install the headers, right? [03:57] leftyfb: SERVFAIL [03:57] cyberspectre: I would verify if/how it affected your networking. It's possible it changed the interface name. I would compare ifconfig -a with the interfaces that are in /sys/class/net/ [03:58] leftyfb, HEY!!! progress [03:58] if I uninstall 4.11 and reboot, it'll fall back to the older kernel, right? [03:58] turns out iptables reads in order and all ports need to be before any rejects for icmp [03:58] maybe, install old kernel using apt [03:59] now to secure the connection using ssh [03:59] carverh, do you think it's already deleted? [03:59] doesn't it hold onto 4-5 kernels? [03:59] no, but just incase [03:59] xbonesx: well if it didn't process the rules in any particular order it could always choose the reject rule first, right? [03:59] TickerTape, truth [03:59] you have to select the (old) option [03:59] I forgot to ensure they were in the proper order [04:00] but i say install the older one using APT === Albertx1 is now known as Albertx [04:02] orizzle: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26261924/ [04:02] orizzle: I had to strip out a bunch of things from it so it might need some tweaking [04:04] leftyfb: im trying a very simple add command and getting servfail [04:04] orizzle: need to turn up your logging and get more data [04:05] leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/nWYwhMEY [04:07] leftyfb: is this of any concern in dmesg: [107976.679564] type=1400 audit(1514347582.955:25): apparmor="ALLOWED" operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/named" name="/etc/bind/db.d.example.net.jnl" pid=24985 comm="named" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=111 ouid=111 [04:07] no since it says "ALLOWED" [04:07] figured === jiang is now known as chenapaul [04:10] Oh... it looks like nvidia drivers are known to conflict with 4.11 [04:12] There's a patch they suggest you install here https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1002820/linux/-patch-381-09-kernel-4-11/ but considering the only reason I want to use 4.11 is to have a CPU temp sensor, am I better off waiting until these problems are resolved officially? [04:12] cyberspectre: what about 4.13? [04:13] mother fucker, it was a permission issue the whole time [04:13] chown bind:bind /etc/bind [04:13] cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04-edge [04:13] orizzle: please watch the language [04:16] leftyfb, out of curiosity, what is hwe/ [04:16] ? [04:17] Is there a good terminal based IRC client? [04:20]