[00:08] <TJ-> clausen: have you made any progress?
[00:08] <clausen> TJ-, trying to figure out how to use dd to recover the superblock backup
[00:09] <clausen> everything is poorly documented
[00:09] <clausen> (reading the e2fsprogs source...)
[00:10] <clausen> my naive guess would be: dd if=/dev/dm-1 seek=32768 bs=4k count=1 | dd of=/dev/dm-1 bs=4k count=1
[00:10] <clausen> I just don't want to mess it up!
[00:12] <TJ-> clausen: practice in an image on your working PC
[00:12] <clausen> TJ-, that's what I'm doing...
[00:12] <TJ-> clausen: aha. I'd have focused on getting a USB flash device mounted in the intrd so I could chroot into it :)
[00:13] <clausen> TJ-, but I don't trust USB flash -- easy to hack the machine
[00:13] <TJ-> what?
[00:13] <TJ-> that makes absolutely no sense!
[00:14] <clausen> TJ-, I would have to write a new image to a USB flash device
[00:14] <clausen> but I don't have any machines I trust to do that
[00:14] <clausen> (they are all "dirty")
[00:16] <TJ-> a liveISO isn't dirty, and you can verify that via the image hash, on the USB, from the eeebook, using sha*sum
[00:17] <clausen> TJ-, I don't trust the microcontroller on the USB flash device
[00:17] <clausen> (I do trust CD-ROMS though... but that' mysteriously not working either!)
[00:20] <TJ-> well, if you're that paranoid, destroy the USB flash device after you've used it for recovery. If you've that level of paranoia what about the Asus UEFI, and Intel ME ?
[00:21] <lordcirth> The Intel ME is much more likely to be compromised than USB firmware, yes
[00:22] <Zaliek> Better reflash the usb controller too, they could install a bug in the factory, or the factory could be hacked and their usb sticks compromised
[00:22] <TickerTape> that's not really true both are about equally crap is what I would say
[00:23] <clausen> TJ-, I disagree.  The flash firmware could be attacked from my dirty machine
[00:23] <clausen> TJ-, Intel ME could be back-doored, but there's little I can do about that
[00:23] <TJ-> thing is, if this Asus eeebook never has a network connection it's fine, as would be attaching even a compromised USB device to it, if that device is destroyed afterwards
[00:23] <clausen> TJ-, it accesses the network via USB (but a USB that only ever plugs into it, nothing else)
[00:24] <TickerTape> the usb itself can have a wireless antenna
[00:24] <clausen> (and it's fairly locked down, although admittedly not enough)
[00:24] <clausen> well, a wireless USB adapter does indeed...
[00:24] <TJ-> as soon as there's a network it can be compromied, EFI has processes running even after the OS loads
[00:24] <TickerTape> even if you are airgapped. but it sounds like you are not even airgapped so you are definitely vulnerable
[00:25] <TJ-> I use a USB Armory for sensitive stuff, and yubikey for keys
[00:25] <Exterminador> stupid question: is there a way to reset a VPS to the default packages?
[00:26] <TJ-> clausen: don't you have an encrypted backup to restore from?
[00:27] <clausen> TJ-, no, I was in the process of replacing the whole system
[00:27] <clausen> (not really a good excuse!)
[00:30] <TJ-> so we have sensitive data stored on a PC which has an apparently corrupted ext rootfs, with an out-of-support Ubuntu release, with expected tools missing from it's initrd.img, and cannot use an external USB device with recovery tooling. I swear it's xmas not April 1st!
[00:31] <clausen> TJ-, it's not the end of the world if I lose all the data
[00:31] <clausen> I'm poor :(
[00:31] <TJ-> clausen: as long as you've got back-ups :)
[00:31] <clausen> I've got backups for the bits that really matter
[00:33] <clausen> (my main machine is a dirty qubes machine... I've been planning to buy a clean qubes machine)
[00:33] <clausen> (just no money!)
[00:34] <TickerTape> wasn't ubuntu created initially because debian was moving too slowly
[00:36] <Zaliek> I'd advise investing in a typewriter and a carrier pigeon
[00:36] <TickerTape> typewriter check I bought an electric typewriter a while back. no carrier pigeon yet
[00:37] <juan_> hello
[00:37] <juan_> some one is active
[00:38] <Zaliek> such patience
[00:38] <TJ-> obviously nor
[00:38] <FruitView> test
[00:40] <FruitView> wondering, do canonical sell its users like say ms supposedly do?
[00:41] <FruitView> (is the concept at all familiar?)
[00:41] <TickerTape> well supposedly is the key word there - what does it even mean to "sell" a user?
[00:41] <TJ-> FruitView: I was sold into support slavery, but I blame myself, should have stayed off IRC more :)
[00:41] <Zaliek> They make money selling services to enterprise customers
[00:41] <FruitView> okay i'll try to explain.
[00:42] <colints> well
[00:42] <colints> they have walked the line
[00:42] <colints> in the past there was amazon "included"
[00:42] <TickerTape> ms just makes a shitty operating system and everyone accuses them not of that, but of "selling users"
[00:42] <Zaliek> At one point they added sponsored search
[00:42] <colints> ^
[00:43] <Zaliek> But removed that. Was several years ago
[00:43] <TJ-> Unity dash once had the Amazon sponsored search results, but that was removed eventually
[00:43] <FruitView> this is sort of shady, but as far as i understand, there are two approaches for handling malicious behavior, hacking, spying and that sort.
[00:43] <colints> its still an open source OS, you can still look at the source and see what canonical is doing
[00:43] <colints> so its much harder for them to pull shady acts
[00:44] <Zaliek> They do collect crash reports, if you elect to send them at the time of the report being generated
[00:44] <TickerTape> at some point justice dept was after MS for anti-trust violations and the search feature may have been part of that. none of that relates to "selling users" in any way
[00:44] <oerheks> !fud
[00:44] <FruitView> One is technical, to put it simply, make systems which is safe. To spend energy on doing that, which takes a lot of effort and theoretically speaking i'm not even sure it can be done.
[00:44]  * blkadder loves doubt. It is the foundation of all honest inquiry.
[00:44] <clausen> TJ-, I successfully mounted root!!!
[00:45] <xbonesx> Hello
[00:45] <colints> ubuntu's sponsored search was short lived and not all invasive
[00:45] <blkadder> Like "I doubt it is a good idea to stick my finger in this light socket."
[00:45] <TJ-> clausen: best copy out the e2fsfk tools and supporting libraries to the initrd, then unmount it again, and check it, before it is written to
[00:45] <xbonesx> Could someone confirm I've setup nickserv right?
[00:45] <TickerTape> theoretically speaking it can be done. interactive theorem proving could be used to prove vhdl + os + applications all operate according to spec without vulnerabilities. it would just take more effort than humans are willing to expend for security
[00:46] <xbonesx> Are my messages coming through?
[00:46] <dax> xbonesx: you are currently logged in to it
[00:46] <xbonesx> Thanks
[00:46] <FruitView> The other one, is to do social policing, instead of trying to prevent what anyway can't be prevented completely, arrange a market for it.
[00:46] <Zaliek> FruitView, If you're concerned about security while using Ubuntu then look at hardening guides and be careful of software from the universe repo (it doesn't get official support or patches)
[00:46] <FruitView> do monopoly, that is.
[00:46] <TJ-> FruitView: your topic, whilst interesting, would be better in #ubuntu-discuss - this channel is for support issues
[00:47] <FruitView> okay, i'll take it there. thanks.
[00:47] <xbonesx> I've been searching for a while now trying to figure out how to start the firewall service without installing a frontend like ufw or gufw. I've already configured iptables to my liking. Could someone assist me please?
[00:47] <TickerTape> says the guy who drivelled on about the security of his non-airgapped non-ubuntu system for 1/2hr
[00:48] <FruitView> i really like ubuntu btw, especially unity
[00:48] <TJ-> xbonesx: Linux firewall is built-in, it's running once iptables/nftables loads the rules
[00:48]  * colints laughs at air-gapped 
[00:49] <clausen> TJ-, it booted into maintenance mode; I remounted read-only, and e2fsck'd it
[00:49] <clausen> it's fine now :)
[00:49] <TJ-> TickerTape: it's clausen's PC that's air-gapped, and it's an Ubuntu system
[00:49] <xbonesx> TJ-, is there a way to verify that the service is in fact running and utilizing my iptables settings? I've installed iptables-persistent.
[00:49] <clausen> TJ-, it's not airgapped
[00:49] <clausen> I can ssh out of it
[00:49] <clausen> (but not into it)
[00:49] <TJ-> clausen: check the logs try to figure out what went wrong (/var/log/ syslog kern.log auth.log and possiblely apt/history.log)
[00:50] <TJ-> xbonesx: "iptables -nvL" will list all rules
[00:50] <xbonesx> TJ-, So if the rules are present then they are loaded?
[00:50] <TJ-> xbonesx: correct
[00:51] <TickerTape> lucky about that maintenance mode then
[00:51] <xbonesx> TJ-, Thank you sir, I just wasn't sure. All the articles I've read state that ufw or another service has to be ran to initially get the service running.
[00:51] <TJ-> xbonesx: usually the persistent rules are loaded during early init and saved on shutdown
[00:51] <xbonesx> TJ-, I thought so just wanted reassurance
[00:51] <TJ-> xbonesx: ufw is just a friendly wrapper around using iptables to set the netfilters rules
[00:52] <clausen> TJ-, so, any hypotheses on why the superblock got corrupted?
[00:54] <TJ-> clausen: usually power is lost in the midst of a write operation
[00:55] <TJ-> clausen: next is RAM corruption causing data to be written to the wrong sector
[01:06] <precise> Hello, I was originally looking to live boot Ubuntu Xenial Server edition via a live USB with persistence, but I see that feature is not available until 18.04 seemingly. With that said, is there anyway to have Ubuntu only load CLI on start, preferabbly with no traces of the GUI? I'd like to free up as many CPU cycles as possible. Thoughts?
[01:07] <precise> I know you can edit your GRUB config, but does that still load GUI precursors on start? I'd also beenfit from simply slimming down the desktop image.
[01:07] <clausen> TJ-, the second one sounds plausible (but not the first -- very little IO)
[01:08] <Bashing-om> !minimal | precise Best to build up rather than tear down:
[01:09] <precise> Bashing-om: Wow... how did I miss that? Clicking now, thanks!
[01:09] <TJ-> precise: on the kernel command line add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target"
[01:09] <xbonesx> Would anyone like to discuss setting up ftp access to a specific folder? I'm reading up on it right now, essentially I want a buddy to have access to help me keep the server maintained
[01:09] <precise> TJ-: What does that do?
[01:09] <TJ-> precise: boots into multi-user mode as normal but doesn't start the GUI
[01:10] <precise> TJ-: Ok, thanks!
[01:12] <oerheks> sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target and return to gui sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[01:13] <clausen> TJ-, thanks so much for your help!
[01:13] <clausen> TJ-, the irony of all this is that I was using the secure machine to establish a new backup system...
[01:13] <clausen> TJ-, it's all good to go now!
[01:14] <TJ-> clausen: back up before it dies again :)
[01:15] <TJ-> clausen: and use lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-... to find out why/where the ext fsck tools have got to
[01:15] <TJ-> clausen: also "update-initramfs -v -u -k $(uname -r)" to get a log of everything that is being put in the initrd
[01:26] <ImageJPEG> So, I have some Ubuntu servers that I want to send their logs to a remote server. I have a server with Graylog. I found systemd-journal-remote but that looks like that's a server, not a client.
[01:29] <xbonesx> ImageJPEG, possible to automate this task using ftp?
[01:30] <ImageJPEG> Probably not. I've got all my other servers working this way. They use some variant of syslog though because they're either FreeBSD or OpenBSD.
[01:30] <ImageJPEG> I strongly dislike how systemd tries to do everything
[01:32] <XXCoder> hah. I was wondering so I tried to enter ctrl-alt-f* when xscreensaaver is running.
[01:32] <XXCoder> it worked fine. I guess it was crash that caused it to not work
[01:32] <TJ-> ImageJPEG:  you can still use rsyslog the same way
[01:33] <ImageJPEG> Wouldn't I have to go through the nightmare of switching syslogs?
[01:34] <TJ-> ImageJPEG: or you can do systemd-journal-upload > systemd-journal-remote
[01:35] <ImageJPEG> This is ridiculous. :/ All I literally had to do to get my BSD servers working was remove everything in syslog.conf and place "*.* @remoteIP:PORT".
[01:36] <TJ-> ImageJPEG: in Ubuntu journald is forwarding to syslog, so you can get syslog to forward
[01:37] <tsarompy> i love bsd
[01:37] <ImageJPEG> I didn't find a syslog.conf in /etc
[01:37] <tsarompy> what flavor of bsd is it
[01:37] <ImageJPEG> I use both FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
[01:37] <ImageJPEG> FreeBSD for my MySQL and web server, OpenBSD for my Tor node.
[01:37] <tsarompy> i like dragonfly bsd and netbsd
[01:37] <tsarompy> but ubuntu on the ol laptop
[01:37] <ImageJPEG> Everything runs on Proxmox though
[01:38] <ImageJPEG> I have a Ubuntu server to host my Unifi Controller and another installation to have my DNS server and a few other services I want to use locally.
[01:38] <tsarompy> ever play with debian/kFreebsd?
[01:39] <ImageJPEG> Like once lol
[01:39] <TJ-> ImageJPEG: Ubuntu uses rsyslogd as it's syslog
[01:39] <tsarompy> i tried to install it in a VM last night but all the servers 404d
[01:39] <ImageJPEG> How long before they go to systemd :/
[01:39] <tsarompy> bsd?
[01:39] <ImageJPEG> lol
[01:39] <ImageJPEG> No, Ubuntu
[01:39] <ImageJPEG> in terms of full time systemd for syslog
[01:39] <tsarompy> oh
[01:40] <tsarompy> am i the only person in the world who doesnt care about systemd
[01:41] <ImageJPEG> Wow, my internet has really gone down the shitter since my isp crapped out about an hour ago.
[01:41] <ImageJPEG> I'll BRB...gonna reset my modem.
[02:23] <Albertx> hi
[02:34] <fahadash> I have changed my default shell using chsh but I still get ksh when I log on why?
[02:50] <LiinusTorvalds55> Hello is anyone here?
[02:51] <LiinusTorvalds55> Hey guys
[02:52] <LiinusTorvalds55> Anyone an expert in bash scripting or ssh?
[02:53] <rypervenche> fahadash: Have you checked your .bashrc file?
[02:54] <rypervenche> LiinusTorvalds55: What is your actual question?
[02:54] <fahadash> chsh does not work?
[02:54] <fahadash> I have not looked at .bashrc file at all
[02:54] <rypervenche> fahadash: Have you checked that /etc/passwd has the correct shell for your user?
[02:55] <rypervenche> fahadash: Something like: grep fahadash /etc/passwd
[02:56] <LiinusTorvalds55> If I have a line in a file at position 50, how can I replace that line?
[02:56] <leftyfb> fahadash: did you use sudo to change it?
[02:56] <rypervenche> LiinusTorvalds55: There are a few different tools to do the job. You can use sed for one.
[02:57] <leftyfb> Linus: sed -i '34s/AAA/BBB/' file_name
[02:57] <LiinusTorvalds55> I've always seen it but haven't learned it. I should probably just bite the bullet already.
[02:57] <leftyfb> LiinusTorvalds55: sed -i '34s/AAA/BBB/' file_name
[02:57] <fahadash> I edited passwd file, it wont let me save. vim says "Unable to open file for writing"
[02:57] <leftyfb> LiinusTorvalds55: first result when searching google for "sed replace line number"
[02:58] <leftyfb> fahadash: you need to use sudo
[02:58] <leftyfb> fahadash: you probably should have used sudo for chsh as well
[02:58] <LiinusTorvalds55> fahadash what file?
[02:59] <rypervenche> fahadash: You should not be manually editing your passwd file. Use chsh. sudo chsh -s /bin/bash fahadash    something like that.
[02:59] <fahadash> leftyfb: It works
[02:59] <fahadash> I may have used chsh without sudo but I don't remember getting any error
[03:00] <xbonesx> I must be missing something in my configuration, I can't seem to vnc to my machine
[03:00] <fahadash> rypervenche: I changed the passwd file added the shell path after the home dir path and it work
[03:00] <fahadash> *works
[03:00] <xbonesx> I've installed the server and have it running, also opened the ports in my firewall, still no connection. Do I have to open the ports on my router as well?
[03:00] <kk4ewt> xbonesx, yep you need a server and open up the firewall as well
[03:01] <kk4ewt> yes
[03:01] <LiinusTorvalds55> I suggest install bum
[03:01] <xbonesx> linux firewalls are set, router too?
[03:01] <kk4ewt> also forward in your routor
[03:01] <xbonesx> ok thanks ill try
[03:01] <leftyfb> xbonesx: only if you're trying to connect to vnc from the internet (NOT recommended)
[03:01] <LiinusTorvalds55> sudo apt-get install bum
[03:01] <xbonesx> leftyfb, oh right, no this is lan
[03:01] <leftyfb> xbonesx: then don't touch your router
[03:02] <xbonesx> I wonder if my windows firewall is preventing it then
[03:02] <xbonesx> hmm
[03:03] <LiinusTorvalds55> This has less people than I thought.
[03:03] <xbonesx> so my windows firewall detected the outgoing request and i made a rule for it
[03:03] <xbonesx> still no apples
[03:03] <leftyfb> xbonesx: on ubuntu run: sudo lsof -i :5900
[03:04] <LiinusTorvalds55> or sudo lsof -i -sTCP:LISTEN
[03:04] <xbonesx> the server said it was running on 5901
[03:04] <LiinusTorvalds55> or sudo lsof -i -sTCP:LISTEN | grep 5901
[03:04] <xbonesx> should i adjust my linux firewall for 5900?
[03:04] <leftyfb> xboxnot unless it's running on 5900
[03:04] <xbonesx> no return
[03:05] <leftyfb> xbonesx: ^
[03:05] <leftyfb> xbonesx: for which port?
[03:05] <xbonesx> 5901
[03:05] <xbonesx> or 5900
[03:05] <metaphysician> What will happen is I install and put SELinux in enforcing mode on a Ubuntu 16.04?
[03:05] <leftyfb> try 5900
[03:05] <xbonesx> maybe the service isnt running one sec
[03:05] <leftyfb> ok so it's not running
[03:05] <metaphysician> *if
[03:05] <LiinusTorvalds55> sudo service start ...
[03:06] <xbonesx> service is running now, forgot i haven't set it to start after restart
[03:07] <xbonesx> running and no connection
[03:07] <kk4ewt> metaphysician,  i suggest you put it in permissive and see what it may want to block
[03:07] <leftyfb> xbonesx: what does lsof say?
[03:07] <xbonesx> listening on 5901
[03:07] <leftyfb> ok, then you need to specify that port in your vnc client since 5900 is the default
[03:08] <xbonesx> ok
[03:08] <leftyfb> xbonesx: next test if that fails it to try and connect locally
[03:09] <xbonesx> so i install tightvnc from a non-root user
[03:09] <xbonesx> I started the service from the same account
[03:09] <xbonesx> does the influence anything?
[03:09] <leftyfb> xbonesx: I'm pretty sure remmina vnc client is installed by default
[03:10] <xbonesx> ok I have my box to start to cmd, give me a moment and ill test
[03:11] <pq13> helli
[03:12] <xbonesx> does having ssh configure make a difference?
[03:12] <leftyfb> no
[03:12] <xbonesx> configured*
[03:12] <xbonesx> k
[03:12] <leftyfb> well
[03:12] <leftyfb> yes
[03:12] <leftyfb> don't do that in the client
[03:12] <leftyfb> having it configured and running as a server on the same machine doesn't matter
[03:13] <xbonesx> ok
[03:14] <Creeperdude2409> hello
[03:15] <Creeperdude2409> hello
[03:16] <ettafix> Hello, guys!
[03:16] <Creeperdude2409> i like kano say 1 if you agree
[03:16] <Creeperdude2409> lol
[03:16] <leftyfb> Creeperdude2409: Do you have a support question?
[03:16] <Creeperdude2409> no
[03:18] <leftyfb> Creeperdude2409: then you might want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:18] <Creeperdude2409> ohhh
[03:18] <Creeperdude2409> oke dokey
[03:19] <CollinGrimm> hello
[03:20] <Barones> hello
[03:21] <carverh> hi
[03:21] <CollinGrimm> is there a way to make wayland listen to keystrokes and log that to a file?
[03:22] <Creeperdude2409> hello
[03:22] <leftyfb> CollinGrimm: there are solutions to key logging not reliant on wayland
[03:23] <xbonesx> leftyfb, ok so i was able to connect too 5902 session from the machine with the server
[03:23] <Creeperdude2409> how do i type a tilde
[03:23] <carverh> ~
[03:23] <xbonesx> leftyfb, 5901 was in use because the session I'm logged into
[03:23] <carverh> do you use the US keyboard
[03:23] <leftyfb> Creeperdude2409: use your keyboard. For further help with such things, try #computers
[03:23]  * ste suggests stop the creeping
[03:24] <Creeperdude2409> my name is referencing a Creeper from Minecraft
[03:24] <Creeperdude2409> ~
[03:24] <Creeperdude2409> oh i figured it out
[03:25] <carverh> there you do
[03:25] <carverh> *go
[03:25] <Creeperdude2409> i did fn + 8
[03:26] <CollinGrimm> leftyfb: OK. How will you suggest doing so please? I'm trying to monitor my little brother's computer.
[03:26] <carverh> thats pretty creepy
[03:27] <Creeperdude2409> its probably for seeing if hes doing things hes supposed to
[03:27] <leftyfb> CollinGrimm: I don't think that's the type of help you're going to get here. There's no way to validate whether or not you're doing this without malice.
[03:27] <carverh> thats not really your job as a brother, its your parents job.
[03:27] <Creeperdude2409> true
[03:28] <CollinGrimm> well. you're right. I had a feeling it will sound shady asking here. anyways, thanks for your help. I'll try figuring it out leftyfb
[03:29] <Creeperdude2409> what time is it
[03:29] <carverh> it is 19:29 PST
[03:29] <cyberspectre> Hey everyone. I just built a new machine with a Ryzen 1600x and I need a newer kernel to support am4 sensors. How can I easily upgrade to kernel 4.11 in 16.04 LTS?
[03:29] <carverh> recompile the kernel
[03:29] <leftyfb> CollinGrimm: look into dansguardian
[03:29] <xbonesx> leftyfb, connecting to the vncserver from the machine hosting it was a success, although it was on port 5902 because my logged session was using 5901
[03:30] <carverh> you can apt install linux-image-3.13...
[03:30] <carverh> to install a newer kernel version
[03:30] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.11.0-14-generic
[03:30] <carverh> ^
[03:31] <Creeperdude2409> xbonesx:get rid of nes in your name and you get xbox
[03:31] <xbonesx> lol i had this name before the xbox came out bro
[03:31] <dax> Creeperdude2409: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support. Please keep it free of other unrelated comments, thanks.
[03:31] <Creeperdude2409> oh sorry
[03:31] <Creeperdude2409> im new to xchat btw
[03:32] <carverh> you mean IRC
[03:32] <carverh> yah you are new
[03:32] <Creeperdude2409> im using xchat on my kano
[03:32] <zeshan> hI THER
[03:32] <Bashing-om> !hwe | cyberspectre
[03:35] <xbonesx> hmm, its not my local machine firewall, not the remote machine firewall, I'm able to connect from the remote machine to the remote machine, just not from the local mahcine
[03:35] <leftyfb> xbonesx: are you using the correct ip address from your windows machine? Try a different client?
[03:36] <xbonesx> I using the one provided after the server starts
[03:36] <xbonesx> I tried using the actual lan ip and port and that didn't work either
[03:36] <leftyfb> actual lan ip? As opposed to?
[03:37] <xbonesx> tightvncserver gives a "hostname" to connect too
[03:38] <leftyfb> xbonesx: can I ask why you need a VNC server to begin with?
[03:38] <xbonesx> um
[03:38] <xbonesx> really...
[03:39] <xbonesx> I don't
[03:39] <xbonesx> Most tasks I need to do I can do from the cmd
[03:39] <xbonesx> but I was wondering if I could get it setup or not
[03:39] <leftyfb> either way, I would suggest installing x11vnc and trying that
[03:39] <leftyfb> sudo x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[03:40] <leftyfb> killall other vnc servers btw
[03:40] <xbonesx> I might give it a try, I imagine there is some configuration for tightvnc that I'm missin
[03:41] <xbonesx> I'm going to test a connection from a linux machine to it, see if its a windows thing
[03:41] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, Bashing-om thank you
[03:42] <cyberspectre> now I have no display on boot so I'll need help again in a minute lol
[03:43] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: Did you install the new kernel, and now a proprietary driver is broke ? ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[03:43] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-image-extra-4.11.0-14-generic
[03:44] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: if you installed the 4.11 kernel
[03:44] <carverh> install the latest kernel always
[03:44] <carverh> *almost always
[03:45] <orizzle> hello everyone - i think i've read just about every tutorial online to get bind to work with nsupdate but no luck. my end goal is to make my own dynamic dns server on a subdomain. i am getting mixed results from update failed: SERVFAIL to update failed: REFUSED. can anyone assist?
[03:45] <carverh> dont think #ubuntu is the best place for help with bind
[03:46] <xbonesx> leftyfb, so when attempting a connection from another ubuntu machine, I get route to host unknow
[03:46] <orizzle> i dont think there are any good places to get help with bind
[03:46] <xbonesx> unknown*
[03:46] <carverh> does bind have a irc?
[03:46] <orizzle> yeah everyone is a ghost
[03:46] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, Bashing-om, I installed 4.11 and I'm having this issue https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/341920/fix-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-16-04-when-getting-the-stopping-user-manager-for-u
[03:46] <carverh> thats what i guessed
[03:46] <xbonesx> Possibly incorrect firewall settings?
[03:46] <dax> there's #ubuntu-server, but it tends to be quiet around this time of day
[03:47] <cyberspectre> Normally it'd be no problem to just boot with the older kernel, but for some reason, on this machine, grub doesn't show
[03:47] <leftyfb> xbonesx: wrong ip then
[03:47] <cyberspectre> it shows what looks like a frame of grub for a split second and then boots
[03:47] <xbonesx> hmm def right ip, I ran ifconfig to verify
[03:48] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: reinstall the nvidia drivers
[03:48] <leftyfb> orizzle: just a sec
[03:48] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, I will as soon as I figure out how to get a console
[03:48] <xbonesx> my three port instances in iptables come after the reject icmp request though, wonder if that is the issue
[03:48] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: CTRL+ALT+F2
[03:48] <carverh> CTRL+ALT+F2 get console
[03:48] <leftyfb> xbonesx: kill all firewalls to test
[03:49] <carverh> or C-A-345689
[03:49] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, got it
[03:49] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, sudo apt-get purge nvidia*?
[03:49] <xbonesx> good idea, thanks
[03:50] <leftyfb> orizzle: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26261879/
[03:50] <leftyfb> that should get you started
[03:51] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: headers installed for the new kernel to enable building a nvidia module ??
[03:51] <leftyfb> I have no problem using nsupdate with that
[03:51] <metaphysician> kk4ewt: which desktop environment has better SELinux support? Gnome/Xfce/Mate/Cinnamon/Lxde/KDE?
[03:51] <cyberspectre> Bashing-om, no. Installed to support AM4 temp sensors
[03:51] <leftyfb> metaphysician: you know SELinux is mainly for Redhat distro's where as Ubuntu uses apparmor right?
[03:52] <metaphysician> leftyfb: yes
[03:52] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-4.11.0-14
[03:52] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, did that
[03:52] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: No linux-header for the current kernel, can not build the nvidia driver .
[03:52] <cyberspectre> oh I see
[03:53] <cyberspectre> headers in addition to image
[03:54] <cyberspectre> Yes, booting with the newer kernel but not the proper headers causes some weird stuff
[03:56] <cyberspectre> Bashing-om, leftyfb the new kernel makes it so that networking doesn't work, presumably because I didn't install the headers. I need to boot with the older kernel and then install the headers, right?
[03:57] <orizzle> leftyfb: SERVFAIL
[03:57] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: I would verify if/how it affected your networking. It's possible it changed the interface name. I would compare ifconfig -a with the interfaces that are in /sys/class/net/
[03:58] <xbonesx> leftyfb, HEY!!! progress
[03:58] <cyberspectre> if I uninstall 4.11 and reboot, it'll fall back to the older kernel, right?
[03:58] <xbonesx> turns out iptables reads in order and all ports need to be before any rejects for icmp
[03:58] <carverh> maybe, install old kernel using apt
[03:59] <xbonesx> now to secure the connection using ssh
[03:59] <cyberspectre> carverh, do you think it's already deleted?
[03:59] <cyberspectre> doesn't it hold onto 4-5 kernels?
[03:59] <carverh> no, but just incase
[03:59] <TickerTape> xbonesx: well if it didn't process the rules in any particular order it could always choose the reject rule first, right?
[03:59] <xbonesx> TickerTape, truth
[03:59] <carverh> you have to select the (old) option
[03:59] <xbonesx> I forgot to ensure they were in the proper order
[04:00] <carverh> but i say install the older one using APT
[04:02] <leftyfb> orizzle: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26261924/
[04:02] <leftyfb> orizzle: I had to strip out a bunch of things from it so it might need some tweaking
[04:04] <orizzle> leftyfb: im trying a very simple add command and getting servfail
[04:04] <leftyfb> orizzle: need to turn up your logging and get more data
[04:05] <orizzle> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/nWYwhMEY
[04:07] <orizzle> leftyfb: is this of any concern in dmesg: [107976.679564] type=1400 audit(1514347582.955:25): apparmor="ALLOWED" operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/named" name="/etc/bind/db.d.example.net.jnl" pid=24985 comm="named" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=111 ouid=111
[04:07] <leftyfb> no since it says "ALLOWED"
[04:07] <orizzle> figured
[04:10] <cyberspectre> Oh... it looks like nvidia drivers are known to conflict with 4.11
[04:12] <cyberspectre> There's a patch they suggest you install here https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1002820/linux/-patch-381-09-kernel-4-11/ but considering the only reason I want to use 4.11 is to have a CPU temp sensor, am I better off waiting until these problems are resolved officially?
[04:12] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: what about 4.13?
[04:13] <orizzle> mother fucker, it was a permission issue the whole time
[04:13] <orizzle> chown bind:bind /etc/bind
[04:13] <leftyfb> cyberspectre: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[04:13] <leftyfb> orizzle: please watch the language
[04:16] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, out of curiosity, what is hwe/
[04:16] <cyberspectre> ?
[04:17] <fahadash> Is there a good terminal based IRC client?
[04:20] <lordcirth> fahadash, irssi and weechat are popular
[04:20] <lordcirth> cyberspectre, !hwe
[04:20] <lordcirth> !hwe
[04:21] <cyberspectre> Oh that's what that is
[04:21] <cyberspectre> So it's precautionary on ubuntu's part
[04:22] <cyberspectre> you know, I've been using linux for almost 5 years now... I should really know this stuff
[04:22] <fahadash> What is the name of irssi package?
[04:23] <cyberspectre> leftyfb, is it bad if I get "Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.13.0-21-generic ?
[04:24] <Bashing-om> fahadash: irssi ; see the output of terminal command: ' apt show irssi ' .
[04:24] <fahadash> apt-cache search irssi returns nothing
[04:35] <cyberspectre> Well that's interesting...
[04:36] <cyberspectre> Installed 4.13, redid sensors-detect, picked up the CPU temp in psensor like I wanted. Then installed nvidia drivers, rebooted, and now CPU temp is gone again
[04:39] <lordcirth> cyberspectre, shows up for me, sure you refreshed your cache?
[04:39] <cyberspectre> lordcirth, I don't know... cache for what?
[04:41] <lordcirth> cyberspectre, apt-cache?  Anyway, yeah it's just called 'irssi'
[04:43] <cyberspectre> lordcirth, you use a ryzen cpu?
[04:43] <lordcirth> cyberspectre, yes, I'm running 17.04 on it though
[04:46] <cyberspectre> lordcirth, which chip and which board?
[04:48] <lordcirth> cyberspectre, Ryzen 1700 and PRIME B350-PLUS
[04:49] <cyberspectre> And you're running kernel 4.13? I wonder if it's because your hardware is better supported for some reason. I'm using a 1600x and aorus x370 k7
[04:49] <lordcirth> 4.10 actually
[04:50] <luxio> How do I change my username in artful?
[04:51] <carverh> luxio, usermod
[04:52] <carverh> usermod NAME -l NEWNAME
[04:52] <nadio> is there a way to restore permission settings in / ? accidently ran it in rot, then the folder in question and a couple of times */*/*
[04:52] <carverh> chown root / -R
[04:53] <carverh> and chown the rest of directories to their repective owners
[04:53] <nadio> only did a chmod 644 */*/*, owner and groups are still correct
[04:53] <convict> lol that will set every single file root owner
[04:53] <nadio> but everything else is f*ckt uå
[04:54] <carverh> welp, your screwed
[04:55] <convict> https://launchpad.net/timeshift
[04:55] <convict> for the future :)
[04:57] <nadio> convict: rsync does also work
[04:57] <nadio> but none running
[05:15] <luxio> thanks carverh, that worked. how do I change the display name now"?
[05:16] <carverh> in Settings
[05:16] <diana> hola a todos
[05:16] <carverh> under Users
[05:16] <luxio> diana: hola, hablo ingles pero estoy aprendiendo espanol
[05:16] <diana> soy nueva por aqui
[05:17] <diana> solo hablo expanol
[05:17] <luxio> carverh: I don't see that. I see wifi, bluetooth, background, dock...
[05:17] <carverh> You gotta go into the search menu
[05:17] <carverh> its weird
[05:18] <Bashing-om> !es | diana
[05:18] <luxio> oh yeah, it was hidden under the "details" section for some reason
[05:19] <luxio> along with date & time ...?
[05:31] <luxio> is there a way to run a command every time I log in through the DM?
[05:31] <luxio> but not when i log in through the terminal
[05:34] <cyberspectre> So I'm giving up on the temp sensor thing for now. HWE kernel is installed and working with nvidia prop drivers. I can live without the cpu temp for now
[05:35] <cyberspectre> but I do want to figure out why grub menu has this black overlay... because as it stands, I can do nothing but wait for grub to boot the default option
[05:36] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: ' cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ' The output is mille-degrees celcius .
[05:36] <cyberspectre> I'm finding plenty of threads online about black screen AFTER grub. But not during grub. Basically, I get a screen with ubuntu-purple edges, but it's black in the center covering menu options
[05:38] <^ScRAsH^> aisrael, Hola
[05:39] <^ScRAsH^> Hola @aisrael
[05:41] <cyberspectre> Bashing-om, that gets me "no such file or directory". But it's fine. I'll just check BIOS for cpu temp, I guess. Can you help me with the grub thing?
[05:46] <Bashing-om> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Dec 26 23:44 /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp" . Your griub issue, I have thought about it ..no idea what is not going on there .
[05:47] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: " sysop@x1604:~$ ls -al /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp >>
[05:49] <cyberspectre> That worked. Fixed grub by using grub-customizer and changing the appearance.
[05:50] <cyberspectre> Bashing-om, that still gets me no such file or dir...
[05:51] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: Must have been pulled in later kernels ?? .. my reference is 16.04 on the 4.4.0-104 kernel .
[05:52] <cyberspectre> Weird. That is the kernel I started with
[05:53] <cyberspectre> It's fine. I'm sure that, in time, I'll be able to view temp
[05:53] <cyberspectre> After ryzen sees better adoption
[05:54] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: Rather perturbed that the file does not exist in your case . I also have issues getting sensors functional on my motherboard and I use the file often enough .
[05:55] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: Another alternative: ' inxi -F ' . small download and well worth for what all "inxi" supports .
[05:58] <cyberspectre> Bashing-om, cool utility. It tells me frequencies of each core, etc. but not temp
[05:58] <xbonesx> why does setting up a vnc have to be so hard...
[05:58] <xbonesx> adjusting the xstartup file is so hard to do without know what all the syntax means and knowing which ones you need
[05:59] <Pilfers> why does FDE have to be so hard
[05:59] <xbonesx> gnome...
[06:00] <Pilfers> setting up vnc server is easy
[06:00] <xbonesx> perhaps for other environments
[06:00] <Pilfers> try getting FDE working
[06:00] <xbonesx> gnome is a pain
[06:00] <Pilfers> FDE - full disk encryption
[06:00] <xbonesx> I'm sure i can get the other env working but I'd like to accomplish having gnome
[06:00] <xbonesx> My school was able to get a vnc of gnome working now i just have too
[06:01] <Pilfers> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04
[06:01] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: Ouch .. my output ( unformatted) :http://termbin.com/0dvb . Where I am running a tad warmer than normal .
[06:01] <Pilfers> looks pretty easy to me
[06:02] <xbonesx> notice what env they use?
[06:02] <xbonesx> i read that article already
[06:02] <xbonesx> I can ssh into my vnc just fine... just want it to load gnome desktop
[06:03] <Pilfers> install xfce
[06:03] <Pilfers> gnome will be terrible over vnc
[06:03] <xbonesx> think so?
[06:04] <Pilfers> gnome is pronounced
[06:04] <Pilfers> Geee-gnome
[06:04] <Pilfers> as in the human gee nome
[06:04] <xbonesx> lol
[06:04] <cyberspectre> Bashing-om, 31c?
[06:04] <xbonesx> my school was able to achieve this vnc'ing from tigervnc to fedora running full fledged gnome desktop
[06:06] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: Yeah .. my norm is 27 .. we got the gas stove turned up :)
[06:06] <cyberspectre> is it in water?
[06:07] <cyberspectre> that's pretty chilly for an athlon 64 isn't it?
[06:07] <anly> I don't think it is
[06:07] <Bashing-om> cyberspectre: Nope .. with that new generation nvidia card I run real cool now . The card takes the load of the CPU .
[06:09] <cyberspectre> My chip runs at 27 idle under water. But I suppose that's to be expected when it's in the same water loop with 2 nvidia cards and only a 240mm radiator
[06:10] <cyberspectre> Still, it runs cooler than my last build.
[06:10] <Jack> Does anyone can see me?
[06:10] <cyberspectre> Jack, are we playing hide and seek?
[06:11] <carverh> ye?
[06:11] <xbonesx> getting close
[06:11] <xbonesx> closer*
[06:11] <carverh> yee
[06:12] <Jack> I see you,you lose!
[06:12] <anly> You can practice you English
[06:12] <anly> Jack:
[06:13] <Jack> anly:yes,I find a wonderful way
[06:15] <anly> Jack:Now,you should prepare a dictionary for writing any articles.
[06:16] <Jack> How should I do?
[06:16] <xbonesx> hahaha i logged into the virtual machine at my school and copy there xstartup file hahahahahaha
[06:16] <xbonesx> I'm a genious
[06:16] <xbonesx> genius*
[06:16] <xbonesx> lol
[06:17] <xbonesx> not sure why i didnt think of that to begin with
[06:17] <anly> If you have any problems on Ubuntu,you can talk about it in this channel.
[06:17] <xbonesx> anly, huh?
[06:17] <anly> xbonesx:LOL?
[06:18] <anly> Jack:If you....
[06:18] <Jack> Not yet
[06:19] <carverh> googletranslate.com i say
[06:19] <anly> xbonesx:what thing do you do at your school
[06:19] <Jack> xbonesx:Do you play lol?
[06:20] <xbonesx> network administration
[06:21] <anly> carverh:ISP blocked *google*.com IP
[06:22] <anly> xbonesx:you can control all computer at you school :)
[06:23] <xbonesx> anly, no these are virtual machines we use to carry out tasks that we've learned
[06:23] <Jack> Can you really do that?
[06:25] <anly> xbonesx,oh.what is you major?
[06:25] <carverh> anly: like that would ever happen
[06:26] <Jack> xbonesx:Do you know how to install Mac on the vbox?
[06:26] <xbonesx> anly, network administration
[06:27] <carverh> Jack: This is #ubuntu not #virtualbox
[06:27] <anly> carverh,because GWF...
[06:27] <xbonesx> Jack, never had a reason to run mac in a vbox
[06:28] <xbonesx> I've installed ubuntu on a mac before
[06:28] <carverh> anly: lul
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> guys, keep it ubuntu related please
[06:29] <Jack> ok,guys
[06:29] <carverh> oooobooontoooo
[06:29] <anly> OOOOOOOOOk
[06:29] <Jack> ubuntu
[06:30] <carverh> i am using irssi on Ubuntu 16.04 CLI on a CRT
[06:31] <anly> I am compiling LibreOffice ......
[06:31] <carverh> cool
[06:31] <carverh> latest release?
[06:32] <anly> v5.4.2.2
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> !ot | anly carverh
[06:38] <xbonesx> the xstartup file is the only thing that determines how the vnc runs right?
[06:39] <carverh> i think
[06:39] <xbonesx> https://imgur.com/7Fflhl0
[06:39] <xbonesx> I don't know how they managed to get it too work but there is the proof
[06:40] <xbonesx> https://pastebin.com/raw/6yHTFA1A
[06:40] <carverh> yah you are new-++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[06:40] <carverh> fail
[06:40] <xbonesx> there is the code from the xstartup file on that vbox
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> carverh: please stop that
[06:40] <carverh> dog ran on keyboard
[06:40] <carverh> sorry
[06:43] <Jack> In all these systems,why do you like ubuntu?
[06:44] <edwinksl> any idea when ubuntu will stop discouraging download of 17.10 at https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop?
[06:45] <Jack> Oh,I use it
[06:45] <xbonesx> would anyone like to take a look at that pastebin and tell me why it works for them but not me?
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> edwinksl: that was about bios breakage of some systems, but is now fixxed
[06:50] <edwinksl> lotuspsychje: ya i see that the fixes are released. just wondering when ubuntu will stop discouraging people from downloading 17.10
[06:51] <xbonesx> when i installed my vncserver, where would it have likely been placed?
[06:51] <xbonesx> what would be the install directory?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> edwinksl: keep in mind 17.10 is also a non-lts, more xperimental we always reccomend LTS more also
[06:52] <edwinksl> yeah i know that too
[06:52] <edwinksl> still doesn't answer my question
[06:52] <alkisg> xbonesx: dpkg -S vncserver-name => gives you all the file locations
[06:53] <xbonesx> alkisg, thank you sir
[06:53] <alkisg> np
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> edwinksl: i think safety-wise they will avoid artfull a little longer
[06:57] <edwinksl> yeah that's fair
[07:24] <marsel> nyloc
[07:24] <marsel> join #nrg
[07:29] <xbonesx> how would one know which packages are installed to make gnome look the way it does? cause I just realized that my xstartup file doesn't load the module that it needs
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: start from the beginning mate, you want what, on wich ubuntu version?
[07:31] <xbonesx> Oh sorry, been sitting in here a while. I was trying to get my vnc to display my server with gnome env
[07:32] <xbonesx> so far I've managed to get it to display old versions of gnome
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[07:32] <xbonesx> 16.04.3
[07:32] <xbonesx> gnome flavour
[07:32] <xbonesx> ubuntu of course
[07:33] <xbonesx> So what I've learned so far is that you have to tell the vnc which packages too load. I curious which ones I would have to load to get my vnc to look just like the local desktop would
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: i saw remina is now default on 18.04, perhaps try that?
[07:34] <xbonesx> remina? that a client or server?
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> !info remmina | xbonesx
[07:35] <xbonesx> oh so ubuntu has made this easier?
[07:35] <xbonesx> unfortunately, ubuntu gnome is not updated to 18.04 yet
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: i think thats their plan yes
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: you can install remmina and  test on xenial also
[07:36] <xbonesx> I'd still like to accomplish this for use on older systems
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: vnc is a danger risk, unless you testing the ssh way?
[07:36] <xbonesx> i am
[07:36] <xbonesx> already configured ssh
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | xbonesx have you gone reading tru this yet?
[07:37] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, thanks for the information
[07:38] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, I'm successful in connecting to my server via vnc I just don't have the env I want to see when I do
[07:39] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, do you know how I would find out which packages make up the ubuntu gnome environment? Specifically, the way it looks when you install the version from the ubuntu gnome project
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: im not following
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: you want to make gnome look as gnome?
[07:41] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, https://ubuntugnome.org/
[07:41] <xbonesx> I want my vnc to look like the desktop from that version
[07:42] <xbonesx> specifically the 16.04.3 lts version
[07:43] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, https://i.ytimg.com/vi/39B5oe_8YkQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[07:43] <xbonesx> like this ^^
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: looks like gnome3
[07:47] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, :) yep
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: apt-cache policy gnome-shell plz?
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell xenial
[07:48] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/raw/BXXR0aLw
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: you have same gnome version
[07:51] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, ok? so how do i configure xstartup to start gnome 3 packages, for instance the way my xstartup file is currently configured gets me the old gnome look
[07:52] <alkisg> xbonesx: grep Exec /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop
[07:52] <alkisg> This gives you what to execute for each desktop environment
[07:53] <alkisg> E.g. for mate it is "Exec=mate-session", so in the startup file I would put "mate-session"
[07:53] <xbonesx> https://imgur.com/s2cDQOc
[07:53] <xbonesx> thats what i currently have
[07:53] <alkisg> Read my 3 lines above ^
[07:55] <Jochen_wvdT> 4
[07:58] <xbonesx> alkisg, no luck
[07:58] <xbonesx> closest thing I've gotten to gnome is that imgur link
[07:59] <alkisg> xbonesx: you didn't reply
[07:59] <alkisg> What is the output of the command that I gave
[07:59] <xbonesx> oh i ran the command and entered it into the xstartup and it didnt work but here is the output
[08:00] <xbonesx> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/raw/pSXE0ir5
[08:01] <alkisg> xbonesx: and your current startup script?
[08:01] <xbonesx> https://imgur.com/s2cDQOc
[08:01] <xbonesx> that gets me the classic gnome look
[08:02] <alkisg> So you didn't put anything from Exec there
[08:02] <alkisg> You still manually call gnome-panel etc, that's why it doesn't work
[08:02] <alkisg> Remove all gnome-panel etc calls, and put gnome-session-classic instead
[08:02] <xbonesx> what other packages do i need to manually call?
[08:02] <alkisg> You ONLY need one line
[08:02] <xbonesx> k
[08:02] <alkisg> gnome-session-classic
[08:02] <alkisg> I don't know how else to tell it
[08:03] <xbonesx> alkisg, https://i.imgur.com/YaZws3M.png
[08:04] <alkisg> Right, that's if you want gnome-classic. You also have flashback etc installed, select the one you prefer
[08:04] <xbonesx> I'd prefer to have my vnc look like this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/39B5oe_8YkQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[08:05] <xbonesx> but I can't establish what packages are being called to make the environment look that way
[08:05] <xbonesx> That's what a basic install of ubuntu gnome 16.04.3 looks like
[08:05] <alkisg> xbonesx: so, what was the result after the change?
[08:06] <xbonesx> trying gnome-session-classic no effect
[08:06] <xbonesx> blank screen
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i think he wants gnome3 lookalike tru vnc
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> not sure that possible
[08:06] <xbonesx> it is
[08:07] <alkisg> vnc doesn't have any issue over the network, it's just slow
[08:07] <xbonesx> my school managed to do it
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> doesnt vnc give just an X
[08:07] <alkisg> xbonesx: well, unless you try to run it in a virtul display
[08:07] <alkisg> Because without 3d, gnome doesn't run
[08:08] <alkisg> I think you need to tell it to use software compositing in that case
[08:08] <xbonesx> alkisg, https://i.imgur.com/aYNg0bD.png
[08:08] <xbonesx> this have anything to do with what you're talking aobut?
[08:08] <alkisg> xbonesx: so, one quick way to try things: in that x-terminal-emulator line, remove the &
[08:08] <alkisg> so that "xterm" is your main session
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: how about you try that remmina also? that should give desktop sharing
[08:08] <alkisg> And then, from inside that xterm, try the Exec commands
[08:09] <alkisg> E.g. try gnome-session-classic or /usr/lib/gnome-flashback/gnome-flashback-metacity
[08:09] <alkisg> See which of them run and which of them have issues
[08:10] <alkisg> xbonesx: no, indirect glx is for over the network, you don't need that, you need software rendering
[08:10] <alkisg> bbiab
[08:11] <xbonesx> alkisg, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42296329/how-to-properly-configure-xstartup-file-for-tightvnc-with-ubuntu-vps-gnome-envir
[08:11] <xbonesx> ^^ that is the exact same thing I'm dealing with
[08:12] <alkisg> xbonesx: try the second line that's using metacity: /usr/lib/gnome-flashback/gnome-flashback-metacity
[08:12] <alkisg> This doesn't require  3d
[08:13] <alkisg> xbonesx: in general, the "old look" is because you're not running gnome-settings-daemon etc, you don't define DBUS, you don't run a session
[08:13] <alkisg> You just call the panel, you don't start a proper session
[08:13] <alkisg> That's why you need the Exec lines
[08:14] <xbonesx> oh
[08:14] <xbonesx> I dont know if this would give you any help but this is the xstartup file from the machine that my school prepared
[08:14] <xbonesx> https://pastebin.com/raw/kwBNpSwG
[08:15] <xbonesx> that is running on a fedora machine thought, not sure how much difference that makes
[08:15] <xbonesx> though*
[08:18] <`jon> can someone help me? i am able to connect to freenode using the hidden service on my arch box, but not on ubuntu with the same configs, i simply get 'connection lost' when trying to connect
[08:23] <Kolas> Hi :D I am trying to setup the smallest possible ubuntu server virtual machine under esxi 6.0. The VMs only purpose will be to run
[08:23] <Kolas> sabnzbd to facilitate usenet downloads. All downloads will happen inside mounts so there is no need for a lot of space inside the VM for anything but the essentials. I have tried
[08:23] <Kolas> to find some guidelines on the internet on how to achieve this but no luck. Currently running Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS but thats not set in stone. Any pointers would be very welcome!
[08:24] <carverh> ubuntu netinstall
[08:31] <Kolas> i will have a look. thanks
[08:32] <alkisg> Or debootstrap
[09:02] <dupondje> Hi All. Suddenly since today the button for enabling Lock screen is gone ... Any idea's?
[09:02] <dupondje> I already tried a reboot, but still the same
[09:07] <chsx> Super + L
[09:07] <hank_> boot rpi with usb device
[09:08] <dupondje> chsx: that doesnt work neither :)
[09:18] <DevAntoine> Hi
[09:18] <DevAntoine> I've got a bluetooth mouse but after a few seconds of inactivity it takes 1 to 2 seconds to wake it up. I've found the following command which seems to fix the issue but I'm not sure what it does: sudo hciconfig hci0 lp rswitch,hold,park
[09:33] <amazoniantoad> Is screenlets still a thing in ubuntu?
[09:54] <clu3> hello, i got 2 partitions /dev/sda1 which is running ubuntu and was 20G but now it's almost full, but i still have a lot of space in other partitions. do you know if i can kinda resize the "main" partition?
[09:54] <alkisg> Yes, from a live cd using gparted
[09:56] <clu3> darn, when i allocated 20G i thought it's enough, never imagined the software running would be more than 20G
[09:56] <clu3> thanks @alkisg
[10:04] <pro> salam
[10:38] <courrier> Hi there, my Bluetooth speaker is successfully connected to Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, the speaker appears as an audio card in the volume control panel but it fails to switch to it when I click it
[10:38] <courrier> Here's the verbose information, any idea to fix the issue? http://paste.debian.net/1002531
[11:14] <chindy> I am using Ubuntu 17.10. I cannot regulate my mous speed below a certain point (im on min and its still to fast.) I used to use xinput set-prop ... however my mouse is not listed in xinput list
[11:14] <chindy> there i only have virtual pointer
[11:38] <NoCode> In 17.10, I keep getting a python defunct zombie. Try to kill it, and I logout.
[12:02] <scheuri> hi all...I have a ubuntu 16.04.2 server which has 16 GByte of / (root) which all of a sudden is completely full...when doing a du -sh * on root I see all the results but the directories come nowhere near 16 Gbyte....any ideas what is going on?
[12:05] <scheuri> hi all...I have a ubuntu 16.04.2 server which has 16 GByte of / (root) which all of a sudden is completely full...when doing a du -sh * on root I see all the results but the directories come nowhere near 16 Gbyte....any ideas what is going on? (see also https://paste.ubuntu.com/26264147/)
[12:12] <deem> scheuri: how much are 800M + 800M?
[12:13] <scheuri> deem: 1.6 Gbyte
[12:13] <scheuri> deem: at least last time I checked....what am I missing?
[12:17] <EldonMcGuinness> Try to unmount everything you can and run it again
[12:17] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: run "it"? You mean df -sh?
[12:18] <EldonMcGuinness> du -sh /*
[12:18] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: thanks...will try
[12:19] <scheuri> deem: I am sincerely sorry...however, I am not sure what you were pointing at...please do not leave me hanging...do you see my mistake I made?
[12:19] <deem> scheuri: oh. i'm sorry. i misread that :')
[12:20] <scheuri> deem: ah okay...no worries...still much appreciated
[12:20] <deem> scheuri: you could try to check with "sudo lsof +L1" for deleted, but not removed files
[12:20] <deem> or not unlinked files
[12:21] <scheuri> deem: that command seems to be executed (no errors), but no results....is it fair to assume that there are no deleted, but not removed files then?
[12:21] <_KaszpiR_> I sugest restarting some services
[12:21] <deem> scheuri: you executed it with sudo?
[12:22] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: uhmmm...now that I try to umount everything...there is nothing to umount to be honest...there is only one partition (/) on one (virtual) harddisk
[12:22] <scheuri> deem: yes, I did
[12:22] <EldonMcGuinness> Now with it all in mount do the du on /
[12:22] <EldonMcGuinness> *unmounted
[12:24] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: my apologies....I am not quite sure I understand...there is only one disk which is mounted to / and I cannot umount that...do you mean I should umount the /dev and /run and such?
[12:25] <deem> scheuri: he means, you should now execute a "du -sh /*"
[12:25] <scheuri> ahhhh
[12:27] <EldonMcGuinness> Throw an x in there just for good measure. du -shx /*
[12:27] <leandro_> oi
[12:27] <EldonMcGuinness> Should not need the x with everything unmounted, but can't hurt
[12:27] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: I did that already in https://paste.ubuntu.com/26264147/ (is that what you are refering to?)
[12:28] <EldonMcGuinness> Indeed but try it with just the basics mounted
[12:28] <EldonMcGuinness> Could be some kind of odd mount issue hiding the usage
[12:29] <EldonMcGuinness> Other than that you can cycle services or reboot
[12:29] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: Maybe I am misunderstanding...I can only unmount disks and partitions, right? But since there is only / as a partition/disk which is busy, I can't really unmount that....
[12:29] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: never mind
[12:29] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: you were totally right
[12:30] <EldonMcGuinness> I'm not asking you to unmount / just anything else you can
[12:30] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: yes...now I get it (sorry, it took so long)...and thanks to you I found it....thank you!!
[12:31] <EldonMcGuinness> Honestly you could just umount -a
[12:31] <EldonMcGuinness> Awesome
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:31] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: I umounted /data/logfiles (which is a nfs share) and.....there is still /data/lofgiles around...with 14 Gbyte...there we go...I guess that is the source of the issue
[12:32] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: sorry for being so slow...but that was definititely the hint I needed
[12:34] <EldonMcGuinness> No worries
[12:34] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: your help is very much appreciated...thanks
[12:35] <EldonMcGuinness> R lgs got opened before the mountains t was online and the file handle just kept feeding to your root dir
[12:36] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: indeed...
[12:36] <EldonMcGuinness> *likely your logs got opened before the mount was online...darn auto populate.
[12:37] <scheuri> EldonMcGuinness: very likely...did some testing...yay, it works...now lets put that data on the share....and there it somehow happend, I'd wager
[12:38] <EldonMcGuinness> Cheers!
[13:12] <mjv> hey
[13:14] <mjv> have someone else install the linux-image-4.13.0-21-generic:amd64. It should fix some lenovo bios problems with ubuntu
[13:15] <mjv> I have a lenovo laptop with ubuntu. I installed the upgrade as synaptic prompted me to do it. I had no problems before the upgrade but now I do
[13:16] <mjv> the update seems to breaking my mouse/gnome-shell
[13:17] <mjv> after a while the left button stops working
[13:19] <mjv> and tabs do not work with the terminal nor with chrome. Tabs with firefox works, but I guess it does not have gnome shell integration
[13:22] <mjv> journalctl reports some dbus errors
[13:22] <mjv> anyone here who can help me fix the system?
[13:31] <ioria> mjv, the bug looks like serious (fixed in part) ; i'd use something else in the meanwhile (until this thing will be defined)
[13:33] <mjv> ioria, do you know if there have been other users reporting similar problems?
[13:33] <ioria> mjv, oh yeah; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147
[13:38] <mjv> ioria, thanks for the link. I have a lenovo p51 and I didn't have any problems before today.
[13:39] <ioria> mjv, ok, good
[13:40] <mjv> ioria, so I am more thinking the fix for that particular bug in kernel 4.13.0-21 is breaking my system
[13:41] <ioria> mjv, have you already tried a previous kernel ?
[13:42] <mjv> No I have not. How can I can reinstall the old one?
[13:43] <ioria> mjv, you have it installed (if not removed) : look in   /boot; you can boot another kernel from grub -> advanced options
[13:43] <mjv> ok, the old one is there still.
[13:43] <ioria> yep
[13:43] <mjv> ok thanks, I will try that now. I will be back to report
[13:44] <ioria> ok
[13:47] <mjv> hi, again
[13:48] <mjv> I still see the same symptoms
[13:48] <snadge> can anyone recommend a new, relatively decent specced chromebook that can run ubuntu? i've been digging around, and its not for the feint of heart it seems
[13:49] <snadge> enabled developer mode.. write protect screws.. void warranty.. installed unsigned bootloader etc :p
[13:49] <ioria> mjv, so it's not kernel related ...
[13:49] <gambl0re> what is a lightweight version of ubuntu
[13:51] <snadge> there are different spins of ubuntu like, xubuntu, lubuntu
[13:51] <mjv> agree
[13:52] <ioria> mjv, try , from the login screen, the Xorg session
[13:55] <Ulrar> Hi, I have a problem with optimus. nvidia-settings won't start, prime-select query says unknown. prime-select nvidia works but it doesn't seem to do anything in practice, and a reboot makes it go back to unknown
[13:56] <Ulrar> I did select the proprietary nvidia drivers and reboot
[13:56] <mjv> ioria: reinstalled logitech mouse drivers and now it seems to be working
[13:56] <ioria> mjv, oh, ok
[13:58] <mjv> thank you for your help
[14:07] <onio> Having problem with ubuntu mate 16.04 no longer asking for password when I switch on PC.
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> onio: have you looked in users if auto login is enabled?
[14:10] <onio> No auto login is not enabled. I was having problem with my wireless keyboard so I enabled auto login, but now I want to go back to requesting for password
[14:15] <onio> I have seen some solution that recommend editing /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. But I don't have this file on my Ubuntu 16.04 mate LTS.
[14:24] <b1nny> Hi, I'm having an issue with the proprietary NVIDIA drivers on Ubuntu 16.04.3. Would this channel be the right place to ask or should I head elsewhere?
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | b1nny
[14:27] <b1nny> right, thanks lotuspsychje. In short, the issue I'm having is that somehow the default resolution gets set to 8x8 pixels at boot on a headless set up. I can work around it, but I'd like to solve it 'for real'
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> b1nny: are you on ubuntu server?
[14:29] <b1nny> lotuspsychje: I'm assuming Ubuntu desktop. "uname -a" doesn't mention anything about server
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> b1nny: what does sudo lshw -C video show as driver= ?
[14:31] <b1nny> lotuspsychje: there's 2 video devices. The NVIDIA one says driver=nvidia, the other one, ASPEED, says driver=ast
[14:36] <alkisg> b1nny: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID
[14:36] <alkisg> drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware= edid/1024x768.bin
[14:37] <alkisg> Since you don't have a monitor, you specify an edid in the kernel command line
[14:37] <b1nny> alkisg: interesting, I'm going to play around with that. Thanks!
[14:38] <alkisg> np; if you see that nvidia doesn't respect this, you'll need a xorg.conf instead
[14:39] <b1nny> Well, the odd thing is, we have another machine with quite a similar set up. And that one does not default to 8x8, but 640x480 instead, which isn't ideal either but it's workable
[14:39] <alkisg> (btw, why nvidia proprietary in a headless server... :D)
[14:40] <b1nny> need proper GPU acceleration :)
[14:40] <b1nny> for playout in this case
[14:43] <DevAntoine> hi
[14:43] <onio> has anybody experience issue with "System>>Administration/User and Group" feature. no matter what I do I can't seem to get ubuntu mate 16.04 to ask for password on login. I am thinking of have to re-install the Ubuntu which I think is an overkill.
[14:43] <valla> hey does anyone knows how to use a specicic template when running vmbuilder?
[14:43] <valla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/vmbuilder/+bug/1634300
[14:44] <DevAntoine> I just got a bluetooth mouse. It's paired to my machine (without any dongle) but each time I stop using it for a few seconds it takes about 1 second for the cursor to move again. It's quite annoying. Is there a way to fix this issue?
[14:44] <valla> or do I have to overwrite the default interface template?
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> onio: there is also #ubuntu-mate channel if you like, perhaps they might know
[14:46] <b1nny> alkisg: btw, these are the lines from Xorg.0.log which set the resolution to 8x8: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26264984/
[14:46] <onio> thanks lotuspsychje :)
[14:49] <gambl0re> im still using ubuntu 14
[14:49] <gambl0re> is that an issue or is better to update to newest version
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> !14.04 | gambl0re still supported
[14:51] <brainwash> gambl0re: you will have to upgrade in 2019 anyway
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: is your system still up to date?
[14:52] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje, probably not
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: check lsb_release -a for us?
[14:52] <gambl0re> im running ubuntu inside a vm
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: you can check version in your ubuntu vm's terminaz
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> *terminal
[14:57] <jacob> li
[14:57] <jacob> oli
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> jacob: can we help you?
[14:58] <jacob> yes
[14:58] <jacob> help
[14:58] <dekatch> hi, i am trying to figure out an rsync command that is suitable for my usecase. i want to backup my /home/ and within that folder /home/ i only want to rsync 4 folders and exclude the rest. because "the rest" within /home/ is a pretty relative term, is there a --include only option?
[14:59] <jacob> wtf!
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> jacob: no swearing in here please
[15:00] <BluesKaj> jacob, we can't read minds, state your issue please
[15:00] <Ulrar> the nvidia-settings is almost empty, it's weird
[15:01] <dekatch> how about mine BluesKaj :)
[15:01] <dekatch> you can help me
[15:01] <jacob> no se  ablar ingles
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> !patience | dekatch
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> !es | jacob
[15:01] <dekatch> didnt repeat my question quickly. i did some random chitchat with BluesKaj :)
[15:02] <jacob> adonde
[15:02] <BluesKaj> !es
[15:02] <BluesKaj> jacob,^
[15:02] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:03] <jacob> @:
[15:03] <Dagronmaster> dekatch:  see the --include and --include-from options in the man page for rsync.  Also check the FILTER RULES section
[15:04] <xjohnyx> hi all
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> xjohnyx: welcome
[15:04] <dekatch> Dagronmaster, i literally scrolled me through that all 10 minutes ago. could swear there was only the exclude option explained. gosh, have to read it again thanks
[15:12] <pavlos> dekatch: try rsync -rv --include={/home/{a,b,c,d}} where a,b,c,d are subdirs of /home
[15:13] <gambl0re> is a 8gb usb stick enoguh to install ubuntu
[15:13] <gambl0re> 14
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: yes
[15:14] <xjohnyx> thanks @lotuspsychje
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: you mean as install medium, or install ubuntu on the stick dedicaded?
[15:14] <gambl0re> what do you mean
[15:15] <xjohnyx> Anyone here try install ubuntu in raspberry ?
[15:16] <dekatch> thanks pavlos . ill try to shorten it. why is there no short form of --include. -i is something different. i dont see --include explained in "options summary"
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: whats your end goal? install physical? install vm? install on usb?
[15:17] <debnath> dgplug
[15:17] <gambl0re> i have a windows laptop but i want to run ubuntu from a usb
[15:17] <dekatch> or am i missing it again? but using --include instead of some fancy short -only_one_letter option is doable hm
[15:17] <gambl0re> cause right  now im running ubuntu from a vm
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: thats possible, but i think you will need more then 8gig for ubuntu desktop
[15:18] <gambl0re> how much
[15:18] <alkisg> (05:15:24 μμ) xjohnyx: Anyone here try install ubuntu in raspberry ? ==> ubuntu-mate is easier, I have it in 3 rpis
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: i recently tryed installing 16.04 on 8gig ssd and setup didnt want it
[15:19] <gambl0re> 16?
[15:19] <alkisg> gambl0re: I think setup asks for 8.5 GB, and then it uses only 5
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: that should do it
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> xjohnyx: there is also #ubuntu-arm if you like
[15:21] <xjohnyx> @alkisg And in those rpis what kind of project are you doing?
[15:21] <alkisg> xjohnyx: print server and vnc client (silent pc for remote desktop)
[15:22] <artem_> anyone here familiar with ssl in apache?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> artem_: to get your issue solved, best to ask your full question, details,ubuntu version please
[15:24] <artem_> I'm running ubuntu 14.04 and im trying to install a UCC onto the website. I generated the csr from a windows server and keyed up IIS. But i cant install the cert onto ubuntu because i need a private key.
[15:24] <pavlos> dekatch: man rsync line 1360 shows example of --include=PATTERN
[15:25] <artem_> Basically, the website wont start unless the SSL cert is correct and matching the private key. I moved the new cert over but im not sure if i can install the UCC cert on this website.
[15:26] <AceKing> I was copying a file to an external drive. The file failed to copy, and now I'm getting message "You are not authorized to mount this device" I restarted my PC but I'm still getting the same message. How can I fix this?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> artem_: perhaps the ##httpd channel might know more about ssl/apache
[15:27] <artem_> ill look into that
[15:27] <xjohnyx> alkisg have you tried using x2go as vnc replacement?
[15:28] <alkisg> xjohnyx: sure, it's even faster, although sometimes it won't clean up old sessions properly and it will require a lot of manual clearing in order to work,
[15:28] <alkisg> but I wanted remote desktop to an existing session, not to a new session, so vnc over ssh works better for me
[15:29] <alkisg> AceKing: what's the output of dmesg? Put it to pastebin.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> AceKing, make sure the external drive uuid is entered in /erc/fstab , use sudo blkid to find the uuid and copy it to fstab without the quotes , and then set the parameters like path etc
[15:30] <BluesKaj> AceKing, correction /etc/fstab
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[15:30] <courrier> Hi there, my Bluetooth speaker is successfully connected to Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, the speaker appears as an audio card in the volume control panel but it fails to switch to it when I click it
[15:30] <courrier> Here's the verbose information, any idea to fix the issue? http://paste.debian.net/1002531
[15:30] <EriC^^> hey lo
[15:30] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[15:32] <dekatch> thank you pavlos
[15:32] <BluesKaj> courrier, you might need to to choose it in alsamixer as well, F6
[15:33] <AceKing> ‎alkisg‎: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26265295/
[15:33] <alkisg> AceKing: broken, throw it away :)
[15:34] <AceKing> ‎alkisg‎: Not broke. works in Windows
[15:35] <BluesKaj> AceKing, check my post above
[15:35] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I was just getting back to you. I ran sudo blkid in Terminal, and it just freezes
[15:35] <alkisg> AceKing: check eventvwr in windows, you'll see read/write device errors
[15:36] <alkisg> Or, try to do a full format in windows
[15:37] <BluesKaj> AceKing, what filesystem is the external device using, ext or ntfs? Either one shouid work
[15:37] <AceKing> BluesKaj: NTFS
[15:38] <BluesKaj> does the external drive show up in nautilus ?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> or whatever filemanager you're using ?
[15:39] <AceKing> OK, got it working again. Plugged it back into Windows, and scanned and fixed it
[15:39] <AceKing> Thank you for helping
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> AceKing: what i mostly do, is try to format on gparted, if that doesnt work..its dead
[15:48] <courrier> BluesKaj: In alsamixer, however, I can only see my embeded Intel HDA soundcard with F6, while the GUI shows Bluetooth as a possible audio output
[15:49] <BluesKaj> courrier, do you have pavucontrol installed ?
[15:56] <de-facto> How can i find out why ubuntu reaction times are so horrible (sometimes above 10 seconds for a user input)? I think it might be related to the HDD on the core i3, raw performance seems to be okish around 100MBps but starting a program takes ages
[15:56] <courrier> BluesKaj: THank you! I installed pavucontrol, in which I could switch the Bluetooth speaker from "Off" to On, and then the traditional Unity volume control applet behaved normally! How come the default applet can't detect that the ouput was Off, though?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> courrier, dunno, I'm a KDE/Plasma user :-)
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: wich ubuntu version?
[15:59] <de-facto> lotuspsychje, artful
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: are you on the wayland or xorg session?
[16:03] <de-facto> lotuspsychje, nope i use Xorg, because wayland showed some incompatibility
[16:03] <de-facto> its an "Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz" with 2 GB RAM and an seagate hdd
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: i have same symptons like you, but on wayland
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: slow overall system work and stuttering programs on launch
[16:04] <de-facto> it feels like its already not beefy enough to handle the gui login prompt, i always see the disk lighting up and it is active all the time
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: i checked with htop and gnome-shell & wayland always ontop easting cpu & memory
[16:05] <de-facto> so i suspect it to be something related to disk io or such
[16:05] <de-facto> already tried to change scheduler but made not really an effect
[16:06] <de-facto> could it be that filesystem is not aligned properly? parted thinks its ok though...
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: if you suspect HD try tail on your dmesg/syslog or bonnie++ hd benchmark
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: same system performs well on xenial?
[16:07] <alkisg> de-facto: run top while the system is idle. Does it show less CPU use than e.g. 10%?
[16:07] <de-facto> yes i think its not cpu load
[16:08] <de-facto> yes afaik same problem on xenial
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: bad hd should show in your logs
[16:08] <de-facto> not entirely sure though
[16:08] <de-facto> smart values look ok
[16:08] <de-facto> also raw disk io via "disks"
[16:08] <alkisg> OK, next step. run sudo -i to be root. Then close a program like firefox or libreoffice. Then: echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches. Then start libreoffice or firefox as user from the menu. Does it need more than 20 secs to load?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: try to close down if its a gnome issue, cause in my case 2 out of 3 systems lag on it
[16:11] <de-facto> since its a mechanical HDD i am running it on cfq scheduler (as per default)
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: doublechecked your graphics driver also? sudo lshw -C video
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: perhaps share us your dmesg on hastebin.com?
[16:21] <de-facto> lotuspsychje, https://hastebin.com/evexemugan.vbs
[16:23] <gordonjcp> hiya
[16:24] <gordonjcp> how do I completely disable the lock screen in 17.10?
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: i dont see anything related to hd faults
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: you see anything here? https://hastebin.com/evexemugan.vbs
[16:28] <eraserpencil> Would anyone assist me in rescuing my lvroot partition?
[16:28] <eraserpencil> fyi I have was in the midst of my first backup
[16:29] <de-facto> lotuspsychje, neither do i, though i noticed when waiting on the reaction to inputs the hdd light is always very busy
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: could it be intel graphics lagging on gnome?
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: could you test a 16.04 liveusb to see if your system lags there?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: you can disable things in energy options, also try gnome-tweak-tool
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: its that lock screen at gdm after a while you have to slide you wanna get rid of?
[16:31] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: yes
[16:32] <gordonjcp> like, it no longer asks for a password but it still does that swipe screen
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: think thats built in now
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: i got 2 users passworded and when at gdm login, after time wait it also goes to slide screen
[16:33] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: built into what, and can it be disabled?
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: built in ubuntu, im not sure it can be disabled
[16:33] <de-facto> could be, when i remember correctly 17.10 livecd was dead slow also
[16:34] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: oh
[16:34] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: I guess that's where "mainstream" Ubuntu and I part ways
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: check my recent bug about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1740146
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: not sure about it, maybe try dconf-editor to see?
[16:36] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: tbh I don't like the new DE at all
[16:36] <gordonjcp> lotuspsychje: it's not even similar to Unity
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: alot of things gonna change, 17.10 is non-lts perhaps await 18.04?
[16:36] <gordonjcp> well, if they're going to bring Unity back in 18.04 maybe
[16:37] <de-facto> lotuspsychje, but im on Xorg, so maybe its another problem or the computer is too slow to run ubuntu (though i doubt that)
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> gordonjcp: there are plans to take unity as official flavor, lets await a little longer?
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: i suspect gnome, as i also testing on an older amd3200+ 2 gig ram also lags on xorg like you
[16:38] <kk4ewt> gordonjcp, i thought they had already announced that as of 18.04 it would be gnome and not unity
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> kk4ewt: indeed
[16:39] <gordonjcp> kk4ewt: yeah, the gnome desktop is terrible
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: thats why i wanna make sure with a 16.04 install, if that runs fine it would prove its a gnome thing
[16:39] <gordonjcp> kk4ewt: I switched to Unity in the first place because Gnome 3 was crap
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: can you test for us?
[16:40] <de-facto> lotuspsychje, currently i dont have a cd or stick to test with lts
[16:41] <kk4ewt> gordonjcp,  there are plenty of other desktops you can select that have an active upstream
[16:41] <kk4ewt> mate cinnamon etc
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: no worrys
[16:48] <gordonjcp> kk4ewt: yeah
[16:48] <gordonjcp> kk4ewt: I mean for a very long time I used fvwm, but that's maybe a bit on the crude side these days
[16:48] <gordonjcp> kk4ewt: back in the day, it was twm or nothing ;-)
[16:49] <alkisg> (06:28:07 μμ) lotuspsychje: alkisg: you see anything here? https://hastebin.com/evexemugan.vbs ==> de-facto hasn't yet answered my previous question about how long it takes to start firefox after clearing the disk cache...
[16:50] <alkisg> We need numbers before starting to troubleshoot remotely
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> right
[16:51] <alkisg> E.g. if he says "it needs 10 secs so it's slow"... there's nothing to troubleshoot :D
[16:53] <de-facto> alkisg, 22 seconds to start firefox and display startpage.com
[16:54] <de-facto> after clean start and clearing disk caches
[16:55] <alkisg> de-facto: sounds ok to me
[16:55] <alkisg> For a second generation i3
[16:55] <alkisg> ...and a rotational disk
[16:56] <alkisg> de-facto: the same, while running just `soffice`? Does that take 10 sec?
[16:57] <de-facto> 15 seconds
[16:58] <de-facto> its more when something runs (e.g. updater) and i start a browser at same time it can easily take over a minute to launch
[16:58] <de-facto> maybe i am just not used to slow systems anymore...
[17:00] <alkisg> de-facto: the default scheduler doesn't work too good with rotational disks and io multitasking, true
[17:00] <alkisg> But I don't think you'd see more than e.g. 20% difference with older ubuntu versions
[17:01] <alkisg> de-facto: during normal use, you don't see any swap used in `free`, do you?
[17:02] <alkisg> Because if you're running out of ram and swap starts to be in use, that would be a reason for a lot of delays
[17:07] <de-facto> yeah i know thats why i tried other schedulers, but i read cfq is good for rotational disks and yeah 2 GB RAM is not much, so i guess sometimes it will run into swap on hdd
[17:07] <de-facto> it just feels like something is not right since i cant see high load on cpu or disk, but i guess its related to access times on HDD somehow since the activity light is always very busy
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> alkisg de-facto i think we need to seperate gnome from other flavors, we should test this on unity/lxde perhaps
[17:08] <de-facto> im not entirely bought in the gnome relation theory yet
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: try lubuntu-desktop from 17.10?
[17:21] <pikapika> Hi. I have Ubuntu dualboot with Windows 10. My Windows partitions are shown in the launcher but no way to access them through shell normally. So I opened them through launcher, open terminal, copied the path and created symlinks within normal Ubuntu. Is this valid or can it cause problems?
[17:21] <pikapika> I am completely new to these things in case it matters
[17:22] <TJ-> pikapika: with shell you can use 'udisksctl mount --block-device /dev/sdXY' to automount under /media/$USER/${device_label-or-UUID}, and unmount using "udisksctl unmount --block-device /dev/sdXY" - see "man udisksctl" from other options
[17:23] <TJ-> pikapika: udisks is used by the GUI tools under-the-hood in the same way
[17:23] <de-facto> cant see a difference between "Gnome on Xorg" and "Gnome" login sessions. Maybe all is ok and the pc is just sluggish hardware alltogether
[17:23] <de-facto> just was baffled since i have experienced recent suse on older hw performing much more responsive
[17:24] <de-facto> with "fio" disk benchmarks even worse on rotational HDDs on those older systems
[17:26] <pikapika> TJ: thanks for the info. This udisksctl thing is new to me I'll have to do some reading
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: i tested 17.10 on older hardware and xorg was fine, with hardware less then yours
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: 1 system has graphic glitches
[17:27] <de-facto> didnt see any glitches on that intel gfx yet, just wanted to find out where the bottleneck in that system lays
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: did you htop already?
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: check what dances ontop
[17:33] <de-facto> yeah load goes high when its sluggish like load avg 2 and it slightly uses some swap
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> hey ioria
[17:35] <de-facto> when disk is busy it wont even show the expose to change focus to another program or i have to wait 10+s for that
[17:38] <TJ-> I/O errors ?
[17:39] <de-facto> nope, its just a slow disk i guess
[17:40] <de-facto> thanks guys for your help, i just have to get used to it i guess (or buy more RAM and an SSD), though its not my property
[17:44] <jeremies> How to install ipxe in a hard drive?
[17:45] <jeremies> The hard drive doesn't have anything installed on it, and I only want to install ipxe.
[17:58] <Toaster_Strudel> what's this talk I hear about version 17?
[17:58] <lordcirth> Toaster_Strudel, what about it?
[17:59] <Toaster_Strudel> ubuntu is closing shop or something?
[18:00] <Kon-> trololol
[18:00] <Kon-> Serious answer, no
[18:00] <alkisg> jeremies: dd if=ipxe.usb of=/dev/sda
[18:01] <Toaster_Strudel> Canonical has halted downloads of Ubuntu Linux 17.10, aka Artful Aardvark, from its website after punters complained installing the open-source OS on laptops knackered the machines.
[18:01] <Toaster_Strudel> oh this is it
[18:01] <Toaster_Strudel> I'm not familiar with "knackered"
[18:01] <boredguy> How do they halt torrents?
[18:03] <Kon-> Toaster_Strudel, a UEFI bug in some laptop models using a specific company's UEFI implementation meant that installing Ubuntu 17.10 would leave your machine unable to boot from USB in the future
[18:05] <Kon-> Toaster_Strudel, specifically, it was the kernel driver for Intel SPI as used in Insyde's UEFI implementation
[18:06] <Kon-> The Linux Kernel has already been patched to avoid this problem, even though it's not Linux's problem
[18:06] <Toaster_Strudel> ok thanks for the skinny
[18:13] <jeremies> alkisg: thank you. I will do it right now.
[18:32] <mutantturkey> is there a way to install a certain version of the kernel?
[18:32] <mutantturkey> have a hardware problem and the closed source driver needs 4.4
[18:33] <tsarompy> there was a kernel ppa
[18:33] <tsarompy> last time i checked it was empty
[18:33] <tsarompy> have you considered building your own kernel mutantturkey?
[18:33] <mutantturkey> yeah
[18:33] <tsarompy> i kinda wanna build my own just to have the four Tuxes in framebuffer at boot :3
[18:33] <mutantturkey> is there a way to do that inside of packaging services though?
[18:34] <mutantturkey> like... can i compile a 4.4 kernel?
[18:34] <tsarompy> what do you mean
[18:34] <mutantturkey> and have a .deb file?
[18:34] <tsarompy> yes
[18:34] <tsarompy> but im not the one to ask how
[18:34] <mutantturkey> ok cool
[18:34] <tsarompy> i can pull you up a guide
[18:34] <mutantturkey> :-)
[18:34] <mutantturkey> that's all i need
[18:34] <alkisg> mutantturkey: 16.04.1 has 4.4
[18:34] <alkisg> And you can keep it up to 2021
[18:34] <mutantturkey> how do i find out what version i am on?
[18:35] <mutantturkey> ah yes i am on 17.10
[18:35] <mutantturkey> /etc/lsb-release tells all
[18:35] <tsarompy> hm
[18:35] <alkisg> Use 16.04 then
[18:35] <Dagronmaster> uname -r
[18:35] <tsarompy> why dont you just build the module you need
[18:35] <alkisg> You need something more stable :)
[18:35] <mutantturkey> alkisg: yeah
[18:35] <tsarompy> do you HAVE to have that kernel version?
[18:35] <mutantturkey> can i install a backport?
[18:35] <mutantturkey> tsarompy: it won't compile against the newer kernels
[18:35] <tsarompy> oh i see
[18:35] <alkisg> That would be a "front port" not backport :D
[18:35] <mutantturkey> anything newer than 4.4 abi is all fuckey
[18:35] <mutantturkey> alkisg: true!
[18:35] <TJ-> mutantturkey: these days most out-of-tree kernel modules are contained in DKMS packaging which causes the module to be built automatically against installed kernels
[18:36] <mutantturkey> TJ-: yep, this is a dkms module...
[18:36] <TJ-> !dkms | mutantturkey
[18:36] <mutantturkey> but it won't compile!
[18:36] <TJ-> mutantturkey: oh, you're ahead of me... it might be possible to add patches to the dkms.conf to build for later versions
[18:36] <TJ-> mutantturkey: what is the module?
[18:36] <mutantturkey> amdgpu-pro
[18:36] <alkisg> mutantturkey: even if you get it to compile, you may get into additional problems in later kernel versions. stable sounds better for your use case :)
[18:36] <TJ-> oh, you're going to love me!
[18:37] <mutantturkey> TJ-:oh?
[18:37] <TJ-> mutantturkey: read up: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdvlk-radeon-vulkan&num=2  https://github.com/GPUOpen-Drivers
[18:37] <mutantturkey> is it packaged though?
[18:37] <mutantturkey> i saw that release...
[18:37] <TJ-> AMD have *just* open-sourced the Vulkan drivers to replace amdgpu-pro
[18:37] <mutantturkey> yep
[18:37] <mutantturkey> i know
[18:38] <TJ-> mutantturkey: not that I know of, but it gives you an avenue to use an up-to-date kernel
[18:38] <mutantturkey> can i just build it and it will 'work'?
[18:38] <mutantturkey> vulkan = what?
[18:38] <mutantturkey> oh cool.. works for my card sweet
[18:38] <TJ-> mutantturkey: vulkan is the new low-level GPU interface
[18:38] <mutantturkey> gotcha
[18:39] <TJ-> mutantturkey: more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)
[18:39] <mutantturkey> so TJ-  -- should i give it a go to compile it?
[18:40] <TJ-> mutantturkey: that's up to you, I was pointing to it as a way to be able to use the latest kernels and have a suitable GPU driver. I'm not clear how stable/complete it is yet, I expect AMD will say something after the holiday period
[18:40] <adder> can I explicitly free unused allocated ram memory?
[18:40] <mutantturkey> yeah
[18:40] <TJ-> mutantturkey: rather than you spending a lot of time trying to sort out the 4.4 amdgpu-pro driver
[18:40] <mutantturkey> i mean
[18:40] <mutantturkey> im having issues with one of my cards
[18:40] <mutantturkey> figured it might be a kernel issue not a n issue with the card
[18:41] <mutantturkey> but it's weird cause 3 of my 4 cards do work... its just this msi card thats not initializing right
[18:41] <mutantturkey> thought it is recognized.
[18:41] <mutantturkey> dont have a windows box to debug
[18:41] <TJ-> mutantturkey: PCI bridge window issues maybe? Check in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log
[18:41] <mutantturkey> yeah... is there a more "detailed" log than dmesg?
[18:42] <TJ-> mutantturkey: could be that device can't map all it's BARs
[18:42] <mutantturkey> BARS?
[18:42] <TJ-> mutantturkey: boot with "debug" on the kernel command-line and dmesg will have a lot more
[18:42] <TJ-> mutantturkey: PCI Base Address Registers - mappings of the memory and IO ports of the device into the PC's address space
[18:43] <mutantturkey> 228303] amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: fence driver on ring 7 use gpu addr 0x0000000200000078, cpu addr 0xfff
[18:43] <mutantturkey> Dec 26 15:55:54 anvil kernel: [    3.
[18:43] <mutantturkey> whoops...
[18:43] <TJ-> mutantturkey: if you use "sudo lspci -vvvnn" you'll see those listed
[18:43] <TJ-> mutantturkey: each GPU device probably has 5 or more BARs mapped
[18:44] <mutantturkey> here we go....
[18:44] <mutantturkey> [drm:sdma_v3_0_ring_test_ring [amdgpu]] *ERROR* amdgpu: ring 10 test failed (0xCAFEDEAD)
[18:44] <mutantturkey> [drm:amdgpu_device_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* hw_init of IP block <sdma_v3_0> failed -22
[18:44] <mutantturkey> amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: amdgpu_init failed
[18:44] <TJ-> mutantturkey: can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[18:44] <mutantturkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26266360/
[18:45] <TJ-> mutantturkey: can you also show me "pastebinit <( sudo lspci -vvvnnk )"
[18:47] <mutantturkey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26266374/
[18:49] <TJ-> mutantturkey: that all looks OK
[18:50] <mutantturkey> except look at the one that isn't working
[18:50] <mutantturkey>         Kernel modules: amdgpu
[18:50] <mutantturkey> other ones have that, and "kernel modules in use:"
[18:50] <mutantturkey> it's not "in use?"
[18:51] <TJ-> mutantturkey: oh, device 03
[18:51] <TJ-> mutantturkey: didn't spot that, thanks for pointing it out
[18:54] <TJ-> mutantturkey: from what I read this is likely caused by the motherboard firmware having a bug
[18:55] <mutantturkey> where di you read that?
[18:55] <mutantturkey> motherboard firmware?
[18:55] <TJ-> mutantturkey: try this firmware bug fix and report back: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:56] <TJ-> mutantturkey: bug report at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100964
[18:56] <mutantturkey> ok let me read up
[19:03] <CarlFK> "Convert the .iso file to .img using the convert option of hdiutil "  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | adder try this
[19:03] <CarlFK> is there a linux version of hdiutil?
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> !iso | CarlFK
[19:06] <mutantturkey> TJ-:  so i add that to my /etc/default/grub file?
[19:08] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: i don't see anything to go from iso to .. anything else
[19:10] <Sven_vB> in a shell running on computer A, how can I get a list of hostnames avahi currently publishes for computer A?
[19:11] <Sven_vB> the method on https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/265426/ seems rather brittle as first I'd have to detect my own IPs, then resolve them, which would include hostnames announced by other hosts for those IPs
[19:12] <mutantturkey> TJ-: no go.
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: i think you can just try to rename it to .iso
[19:13] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: umm.. the current name is ubuntu-17.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: ok try to rename to .img ?
[19:14] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: that seems ... unlikely
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: https://askubuntu.com/questions/388037/how-to-create-an-img-file-from-iso-on-ubuntu
[19:14] <velho> hello. is there anybody outthere?
[19:14] <mutantturkey> sup
[19:15] <velho> I need some help, but I don't know if this is the right place for my question.
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> !support | velho
[19:15] <velho> where can I check and change the sound drivers in ubuntu?
[19:16] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: huh,  ok, ill give that a shot
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> velho: sudo lshw -C sound
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> velho: at bottom driver= should show it
[19:18] <velho> lotuspsychje can you please be more clear?
[19:18] <velho> lotuspsychje I'm neww to linu
[19:18] <velho> lotuspsychje: im new to linux
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> velho: open a terminal and enter that command
[19:20] <velho> lotuspsychje: I'm no programmer. Please be gentle. No command lines please. Is  there a GUI to check the sound?
[19:21] <velho> lotuspsychje: that command shows strange things
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> !sound | velho
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> velho: the GUI way of checking drivers is: software&sources icon/last tab additional drivers
 software shows an app were I can install software. This should not be it...
[19:25] <velho> lotuspsychje: thanks so much for all the help! How can I tag your name in HexChat without having to copy paste it all the time?
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> !tab | velho
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> velho: i said software&sources not ubuntu software
[19:26] <velho> lotuspsychje, awesome!!!
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> velho: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[19:26] <velho> lotuspsychje, ubuntustudio
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> velho: wich version exactly
[19:27] <velho> lotuspsychje, I need to make my external Edirol FA-66 soundboard to work on this. Unfortunately, I don't have a clue what and how to do it :(
[19:28] <velho> lotuspsychje, last version. Fresh install and updated a few hours ago
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> velho: 17.10?
[19:29] <velho> lotuspsychje, how can I check which version I'm in?
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> velho: lsb_release -a
[19:30] <velho> lotuspsychje, Ubuntu 17.10
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> velho: try to tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your edirol and see what errors you get
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> !paste | velho
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> velho: check also the #ubuntustudio channel
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> !info jackd2-firewire | velho you might need this also
[19:36] <velho> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26266654/
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> velho: ok the tail doesnt give us much
[19:37] <velho> lotuspsychje, jackd2-firewire seems to be pre-installed here
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> velho: ah cool, found an older page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> velho: looks usefull that page right?
[19:50] <velho> lotuspsychje, yes it does! I'm very happy to notice that FA 66 is recognized! But... I don't know how to change the sound going out from motherboard speakers to the FA 66
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> velho: i think that might be in sound options somewhere input/output?
[19:55] <titikaka> hello, I have a dir /mnt/veracrypt1 which is 750, when I mount veracrypt container to this folder, it will change perms to 700. I have a keepass database inside which im not able to open. when i try to change perms while mounted, it wont take effect. ownership is me:me, any help? thanks
[19:57] <velho> lotuspsychje, you just saved my life! It's a miracle! After decades of trying this, I FINALLY have this sound board working on linux!!! I just had huge goosebumps when I listened to sound comming out from my big speakers!!! I don't know hot to thank you! But... thank you som much!!! Finally I can use less windows and more Linux :D :D :D
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> !yay | velho
[19:57] <TJ-> !cookie | lotuspsychje
[19:58] <velho> lotuspsychje, you deserve a decade of cookies!!
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> velho: enjoy mate
[19:58] <redlegion> anyone know why i keep having to kick my ath10k drivers in the ass to get networking working again after a laptop suspend?
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> redlegion: wich ubuntu version is this
[19:59] <redlegion> lotuspsychje: 17.10 I believe
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> redlegion: i think 17.10 has now an option to enable/disable wifi in energy options, take a look?
[20:00] <redlegion> 17.03
[20:00] <redlegion> erg, 17.04
[20:00] <redlegion> hmm
[20:01] <redlegion> it's also budgie, and i've switched to awesome wm
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> redlegion: ah not familiar with awesome myself, but it might be related to your atheros driver
[20:02] <redlegion> i can almost guarantee that it is
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> !atheros | redlegion
[20:03] <redlegion> that's awesome stuff
[20:03] <redlegion> thanks, lotuspsychje
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> redlegion: try also tail -f /var/log/syslog when you suspend to see hats happening to your wifi exactly
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> redlegion: your system up to date also?
[20:04] <redlegion> should be
[20:04] <redlegion> i have apt update / apt upgrade OCD
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> redlegion: another thing to test is compare wifi:suspend on an LTS version of ubuntu (other kernel/driver version)
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | titikaka can this help
[20:15] <micheal65536> test
[20:15] <lotuspsychje> !support | micheal65536
[20:21] <velho> lotuspsychje, I'm actually jumping with joy!
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> velho: :p
[20:23] <ph3n1x> hi
[20:24] <stephen101> hi
[20:34] <Spr1ng> Anybody know how to fix a jumpy mouse cursor on a ThinkPad X220 running Ubuntu 17.10?  Using the touchpad the cursor is imprecise and not smooth.
[20:36] <carverh> turn down sensitivity?
[20:37] <TJ-> Spr1ng: we had a similar situation with that model  a few weeks ago, turned out to be an ACPI issue. Possible fix here: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:39] <Spr1ng> Thanks I'll take a gander at it
[20:41] <tlhonmey> I'm looking for a Docky replacement.  Anybody know what Ubuntu is using for a dock these days?
[20:45] <stephen101> anyone know how to fix xchat so it delays sening  /msg NickServ identify
[20:45] <stephen101> sending*
[20:48] <brainwash> stephen101: this may apply to xchat also https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat
[20:49] <Spr1ng> I did it in weechat, can't remember how tho..I looked in the conf files, can't see anything related to delay
[20:49] <brainwash> "SASL is a method that allows identification to services (NickServ) during the connection process, before anything else happens - therefore eliminating the need to /msg nickserv identify."
[20:50] <brainwash> in case you did not know
[20:51] <stephen101> ya i know that, works with my irc on android but idk on this looking it up
[20:51] <Spr1ng> oh ye it may have been a sasl delay
[20:52] <stephen101> looks like to many hurtles  to get SASL to work on xchat
[20:53] <stephen101> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1673318
[20:53] <pavlos> stephen101: There is /set irc_join_delay $SECONDS. Default is 2.
[20:53] <stephen101> i set that to 15 no go
[20:54] <[n0mad]> a join delay relates to joining channels
[20:54] <stephen101> xchat sends  /msg NickServ identify to early
[20:54] <George_OU> i'm sorry for stupid question, but how do i register my nick
[20:54] <[n0mad]> why using xchat and not hexchat?
[20:55] <stephen101> ya i am about to remove this and try again
[20:55] <stephen101> not feeling the features
[20:56] <Bashing-om> !register | George_OU
[20:57] <Richard_Cavell> What version of g++ (gcc) is in 17.10?
[20:58] <skoup> thanks!
[20:59] <Bashing-om> !info g++ artful | Richard_Cavell
[21:05] <stephen101> ok thats fixed it
[21:12] <stephen101> nice all set now
[21:14] <AlexBuntu> I just done an server install of 17.04. WiFi was setup and working during install, I rebooted and added an xubuntu session and now network-manager is screwed it won't acknowledge my WiFi as ready.   Halp ples
[21:14] <AlexBuntu> I read its a common issue about ownership of network-manager or something
[21:19] <AlexBuntu> This channel is dead
[21:20] <stephen101> i have same type of issues myself
[21:20] <AlexBuntu> You find a fix @stephen101
[21:21] <stephen101> look in kern.log and see what the errrors say
[21:23] <AlexBuntu> Nm-applet doesn't have correct permissions am pretty sure of it
[21:23] <stephen101> should be under /var/log/
[21:23] <stephen101> check syslog and kern
[21:26] <ThePotato132> hello?
[21:26] <ThePotato132> exit
[21:27] <stephen101> bus-manager: could not acquire the NetworkManager service as it is already taken
[21:27] <stephen101> Dec 27 14:49:11 stephen-X541NA NetworkManager[3519]: <error> [1514404151.6515] failed to start the dbus service.
[21:27] <stephen101> i get this in mine
[21:28] <AlexBuntu> I fixed it
[21:28] <AlexBuntu> But if it's perm I dunno
[21:28] <AlexBuntu> I had 2 wpa_supplicants running or something
[21:28] <AlexBuntu> I killall'd wpa_supplicant and restarted network and it's back
[21:29] <stephen101> ya i just been using the cat5 and not bothering it lol
[21:29] <stephen101> i was reading its a bug in regards to mac address
[21:29] <AlexBuntu> Apparently it's an ownership issue I have
[21:30] <AlexBuntu> Like I done a server install
[21:30] <AlexBuntu> But then added a DE afterwards
[21:30] <stephen101> well for me the wifi will start and one i start using the web it will crash
[21:30] <stephen101> and reboot only thing that fixes it
[21:31] <AlexBuntu> Nm is getting ripped out for wicd right now
[21:31] <AlexBuntu> I hate nm anyway
[21:32] <AlexBuntu> This is always a risky process though lol uninstalling nm and installing wicd borks often lol
[21:33] <stephen101> ya removing any built in usually does that lol
[21:33] <stephen101> i learned the other day about using autoremove funtion
[21:34] <AlexBuntu> Generally I've learnt that adding a DE to a server install is a bad idea lol
[21:34] <AlexBuntu> But the alternative CD for low mem or non graphical install I can't seem to find for 17.04
[21:34] <stephen101> it removed tons of stuff my system was dependant on lol had live and save my files and reinstall
[21:35] <stephen101> have you tried different versions of ubuntu?
[21:35] <AlexBuntu> I'm triple booting on a ASUS transformer so I can always get it back up but it's still a pain.
[21:36] <AlexBuntu> When I live boot the normal 17.04 iso including Xubuntu and Lubuntu it just hangs
[21:36] <stephen101> i tried 17.10 my wifi works without issue. but i dont like the secuirty protections on it so i went back to 16.04
[21:36] <AlexBuntu> Not sure why
[21:36] <stephen101> ya i am using a asus laptop
[21:37] <AlexBuntu> I only use my buntu install for LibreOffice and Kodi tbh.  I have Debian 9 and Windows 10.2 installed also.  I use debian as my stable setup tbh
[21:37] <stephen101> seems asus and linux in general have bugs
[21:37] <AlexBuntu> Not as bad as Lenovo lol
[21:38] <stephen101> i have 16.04 installed on my other lenovo laptop t400 works like a charm
[21:38] <electricmilk> Lenovo used to have a good reputation with Linux
[21:38] <electricmilk> Back when there were serious drivers issues with wifi..Lenovo seemed to always work out of the box. This was a long time back though
[21:38] <AlexBuntu> Apparently there is an issue with the EFI or something gimme a sec I'll link
[21:39] <AlexBuntu> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/12/ubuntu-corrupting-lenovo-laptop-bios
[21:39] <electricmilk> Yea  this was like pre 2005 when it was still owned by IBM
[21:40] <stephen101> i get a mce memory error on this. and i hardcore benchmarked the memory thereafter, no faults
[21:41] <AlexBuntu> I have a Thinkpad T40 around here somewhere
[21:41] <AlexBuntu> It's still running fine. The old Thinkpad are the best things ever made
[21:41] <Flotho66> good evenig everyone, does anybody already succeed in installing the 14 release on eMMC drives ?
[21:43] <celxl> jkl;lkj
[21:55] <Daekdroom> What is an application I can use for mass converting audio in Ubuntu? I've installed "soundconverter" from the repos, but it seems very limited, and sound-konverter from KDE was deprecated...
[21:56] <electricmilk> Daekdroom,  ffmpeg
[21:57] <electricmilk> Daekdroom,  It is a command line tool but very easy to use and handles mass conversion very well
[21:58] <Daekdroom> Hm... yeah, I know, but I'm not great at creating scripts..
[21:58] <electricmilk> Daekdroom,  it is not too bad though.  Are all the files in the same directory?
[21:59] <Daekdroom> electricmilk, well, there are too many files actually. A GUI would help me sort out what I'd convert and what I would not.
[21:59] <electricmilk> Daekdroom,  You could even convert recursively (All files in all folders)
[21:59] <kk4ewt> Daekdroom, this is how one becomes good at making scripts
[21:59] <electricmilk> Daekdroom, For example to convert all flac files to mp3 use: find -name "*.flac" -exec ffmpeg -i {} -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k {}.mp3 \;
[22:00] <electricmilk> Really not that complicated
[22:05] <AlexBuntu> How do you resolve the issues of installing a desktop session on top of the server installation.  For example my Firefox profiles can not be loaded, I need to kill wpa_supplicant a restart networking in each boot.  Can I not fix these permissions issues?
[22:12] <ghostnik11> hey how can someone load a module that isn't there when we search with modprobe
[22:13] <ghostnik11> this is what i get from terminal: modprobe: FATAL: Module cm3218x not found in directory /lib/modules/4.13.1-041301-generic
[22:17] <hany> hi
[22:18] <electricmilk> hany,  hi
[22:18] <hany> im newhere
[22:18] <electricmilk> hany,  welcome
[22:18] <electricmilk> lol
[22:24] <jhutchins> ghostnik11: find & install the driver.  You may have to build it so that it matches your kernel.
[22:25] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, would it be in synaptic? its for a baytrail 2 in 1 tablet pc
[22:26] <jhutchins> ghostnik11: It could be, I don't know. For rarer, newer hardware you sometimes have to find the "upstream" project.
[22:26] <jhutchins> ghostnik11: What device is the driver for?
[22:26] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, its an asus t100ta
[22:27] <jhutchins> ghostnik11: Yes, but what component, and how did you find the name of the driver?
[22:27] <ghostnik11> i followed the steps in this tutorial: http://www.jfwhome.com/2016/01/04/latest-steps-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-asus-t100ta/
[22:30] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, in that tutorial, i downloaded the script and have it where its suppose to be but when it told me to make sure the module is loaded, it gave me that error i posted above that says its not loading
[22:31] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, i can do a pastebin of the script for my autobrightness
[22:31] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, https://pastebin.com/LpUrKLJh
[22:36] <andrius> how's life
[22:37] <aris> hi
[22:37] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, this is the rclocal file that i edited to try to get autobrightness to work
[22:38] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, https://pastebin.com/Egnea5Cf
[22:49] <patrick__> hi
[22:51] <IhrFussel> If I change groups of a user, do I need to restart ALL scripts to apply the new groups?
[22:53] <ghostnik11> jhutchins, okay quick question i get this problem when i try to run this script: ./auto-brightness.sh
[22:53] <ghostnik11> ./auto-brightness.sh: line 13: /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness: Permission denied
[22:53] <ghostnik11> cat: '/sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-CPLM3218:00//in_illuminance_input': No such file or directory
[22:53] <rypervenche> IhrFussel: If you started the scripts after you logged into your user, you need to log out and then back in for the groups to be updated.
[22:54] <IhrFussel> rypervenche, but will the group change affect the already running scripts? I started them as background so logging out will not end them
[22:54] <rypervenche> IhrFussel: But they were started as your user when it has those groups. I believe they will need to be restarted.
[22:54] <rypervenche> I could be wrong though.
[22:58] <tsarompy> !!!!!!!!!
[22:58] <tsarompy> https://www.freewear.org/images/articles/detail/FW0112_Foto.png
[22:58] <gordonjcp> I had a couple of KDE t-shirts years ago
[23:00] <ghostnik11> where can a person go to find the modules that they have running in ubuntu and also is there a command that will tell me all the modules running?
[23:00] <redlegion> lsmod?
[23:01] <tsarompy> gordonjcp: i want one so bad
[23:03] <macman> does anyone know where to find icon themes in the style of os x mavericks for 16.04?
[23:04] <electricmilk> macman, I believe there is a Mac GTK theme
[23:04] <electricmilk> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/make-ubuntu-look-like-mac-5-steps
[23:05] <macman> I have those. I need old style icons...
[23:07] <electricmilk> macman, perhaps installing the OSX-Nostalgie is what you are looking for
[23:08] <gordonjcp> ghostnik11: modules like kernel modules, or what?
[23:08] <redlegion> ^ hence my questionmark
[23:08] <gordonjcp> redlegion: indeed
[23:11] <ghostnik11> gordonjcp, i am looking for this module that should give me the ability to control the birghtness of this tablet and ran the script but the module isn't there
[23:13] <ghostnik11> gordonjcp, https://pastebin.com/QMzCkjej
[23:14] <macman> thanks for help!
[23:14] <transhuman> anyone know of any linux editors that have vertical cut and paste?
[23:15] <paul_> hello all
[23:16] <ghostnik11> gordonjcp, i think the reason why it isn't working is b/c i am using kernel 4.13 is the reason why
[23:19] <macman> how does one add launchers to docky from the unity search tool?
[23:22] <ghostnik11> okay quick question does a person have to right a kernel module from scratch or can i just do a copy and paste?
[23:24] <ghostnik11> other question is, can i just put a module in /proc/modules and it will work?
[23:25] <lordcirth> ghostnik11, pretty sure it's not that simple
[23:29] <ghostnik11> lordcirth, yeah i am reading the page with the way to add them, and it starts with: you know C!!!
[23:29] <lordcirth> ghostnik11, well yes, kernel modules are written in C
[23:30] <ghostnik11> lordcirth, but if someone else has built it, can't i just copy and past it. someone that has done it with a machine just like mine
[23:31] <ghostnik11> lordcirth, yeah, its looking like this will be a project after i am done with school, if i have to first learn c++ programing language
[23:31] <lordcirth> ghostnik11, C, not C++
[23:32] <ghostnik11> lordcirth, oh, thanks for clarification. i thought the article meant c++ and not C
[23:32] <lordcirth> If someone is distributing a module that will do it, you can try installing it if they provided instructions
[23:32] <lordcirth> Assuming you trust them enough to run their code in your kernel.
[23:35] <ghostnik11> there is a dedicated group of people with asus t100ta that have a google + group and i feel like at least a few of them must have compiled a module or two or edited a kernel to give our machines a fix for these problems lordcirth
[23:36] <oerheks> ghostnik11, without proper 64 bit uefi, not all hardware will work. i gave up
[23:37] <ghostnik11> oerheks, did you ever get autobrightness working or the ability to turn down brightness = saving battery power
[23:38] <ghostnik11> oerheks, and if u gave up, do you mind telling me what machine is similar to an asus t100ta that i would be able to use and run ubuntu and android-x86 from it with no problem?
[23:40] <oerheks> there would be a brightness fix, with the button somewhere, but screenrotation and such not
[23:41] <oerheks> about other machines, look for certified hardware?
[23:41] <implite> what improvements did we get from uefi anyways compared to other partitions?
[23:43] <implite> only thing i noticed was extra headache but maybe thats just me
[23:47] <ghostnik11> oerheks, how did you get brightness to work? b/c i have been trying to get brightness to work and nothing is working
[23:48] <ghostnik11> oerheks, did you follow any website?
[23:50] <oerheks> tons of them, and i stopped.