| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @julienlavergne, are we keeping the same system? through launchpad as I always did? | 00:58 |
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| tsimonq2 | Phab is going down for some system maintenance | 02:39 |
| tsimonq2 | Shouldn't take more than an hour. | 02:39 |
| tsimonq2 | Phab is back | 03:02 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: So I figured out why emails weren't sending, we were at a memory cap. I've increased the resource allocation. | 03:03 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @julienlavergne Would you be open to converting the rest of the Lubuntu Bazaar branches to Git? (I can take care of this if you think it's OK 😉) | 03:21 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#lubuntu | 03:47 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Anyone | 03:47 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @Bitcoinare, What's up? | 04:20 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Id like some help there, please | 04:23 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @Bitcoinare, There you are :) | 04:25 |
| lubot | <Bitcoinare> Mr Beer? | 04:31 |
| lubot | dimosatria was removed by: dimosatria | 10:36 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @dimosatria, 😢 | 10:43 |
| lubot | <Wolfenprey> (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3192.mp4 | 10:46 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @Wolfenprey, 😄 | 10:46 |
| lubot | chernikovden was added by: chernikovden | 12:32 |
| lubot | <chernikovden> Hello everybody | 12:32 |
| lubot | <chernikovden> Does someone here? | 12:32 |
| lubot | <AlFXLogic> hello | 12:57 |
| lubot | <chernikovden> 😊 | 12:57 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @chernikovden, Hey! Welcome! Glad to have you here 😁 | 14:13 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> wxl, @julienlavergne: So this came to my attention: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=790184 just an FYI :) | 14:42 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> wxl, @julienlavergne: I think that bug signals the beginning of the end for LXDE in Buster to be honest. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out... | 15:08 |
| agaida | tsimonq2: you are two - three weeks late, they know it and they are happy that they now has a reason to use GTK3 | 15:26 |
| wxl[m] | They meaning LXDE? | 15:27 |
| agaida | hmm, ok, happy might not be the right word, but anyways | 15:27 |
| agaida | jupp | 15:27 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Mmm, while I may be late on it, I don't think they'll use GTK 3 without a fight... | 15:27 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> a gtk3 version of LXDE? | 15:27 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> odd | 15:28 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, It won't happen. Just LXTerminal if anything... | 15:28 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> also, npot very useful. gtklibs are pushing to us, designers, to start coding with gtk4 | 15:28 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Right | 15:28 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Qt is a much more stable platform in this respect | 15:29 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> while we're still waiting for a gtk3 version of gimp and inkscape, that we use to design gtk4 widgets XD | 15:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> XD | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 03:44:39] <medicalwei[m]> Switching it to build against GTK+3 is okay for me, and it is preferred for HiDPI displays | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 03:45:25] <medicalwei[m]> But is LXTerminal okay to move to GTK+3 only | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 03:45:26] <medicalwei[m]> ? | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 10:53:11] <LStranger> I'm afraid we have no choice at that, they want to stop gtk2 eventually. Despite the fact gtk3 is pretty buggy, they want change stable to buggy to get a little of support for tablets and wayland. | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 11:04:11] <agaida> s/stable/dead | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 11:06:23] <agaida> and it is the right thing to do now, because the next stable debian release will be in one or two years - the GTK2 Situation will not get better anymore over time | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 11:13:21] <Unit193> LStranger is certainly right though, GTK2 is stiiiill better than GTK3. | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 11:40:43] <agaida> ok, it is dead - so no new bugs - but the strange smell | 15:29 |
| agaida | [2017-12-15 11:46:02] <agaida> and btw - it wasn't my request - only from the debian release team :) | 15:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Time for me to drive, talk later :) | 15:30 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> noooooooooo | 15:30 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3197.mp4 | 15:30 |
| lubot | <chernikovden> Guys, I have an problem with lubuntu | 16:18 |
| lubot | <chernikovden> Can't install driver for wifi(( | 16:18 |
| lubot | <julienlavergne> @tsimonq2, Yes please, no more bzr :-) | 16:22 |
| lubot | <Wolfenprey> @VikingRedwolf, Carmagsimon. Nice classic. | 16:29 |
| wxl[m] | @chernikovden this is not a support channel. You can go to #lubuntu on Freenode IRC or #freenode_#lubuntu:matrix.org on Matrix | 16:29 |
| lubot | chernikovden was removed by: chernikovden | 16:31 |
| lubot | <julienlavergne> @tsimonq2, That's bad :-/ But well, it took ages to remove gtk1 from the archive, maybe it will be the same for gtk2, but it's just a matter of time ... | 16:41 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @julienlavergne, Awesome :) | 16:42 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @julienlavergne, Right :/ | 16:42 |
| lubot | But it also pushes LXQt a bit... | 16:42 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @VikingRedwolf, LOL | 16:44 |
| agaida | i see no push - 96% or more of LXDE build fine with GTK3 - the only blocker is that LStranger is a bit stubborn about implementing the needed GTK3 things | 16:44 |
| agaida | or more direct: He just hate GTK3 with a whole heart | 16:45 |
| wxl | …which in light of debian's attitude suggests that it pushes lxqt forward a bit more :) | 16:45 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Right :) | 16:47 |
| agaida | let me phrase it otherwise: it force them to go the first step into the right direction | 16:47 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Either way I'm more apt than ever to openly adopt LXQt | 16:47 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Heh right | 16:47 |
| wxl | …until gtk4 starts getting pushed | 16:47 |
| wxl | and on and on and on | 16:48 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> agaida: Once Qt 6 comes we better implement it sooner than later. 😉 | 16:48 |
| agaida | wxl: gtk4 has the promise to end the "we break the interface with every point release"-attitude | 16:48 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, 👍 | 16:49 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida, But wasn't that the case with GTK 3 as well? :P | 16:49 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Tsk tsk tsk, empty promises... | 16:49 |
| agaida | nope | 16:49 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Off to drive again... | 16:49 |
| agaida | the GTK3 goal was: We fuck off every project outside of gnome - and the promotion of "Gnome Toolkit" instead of "Gimp Tool Kit" | 16:50 |
| wxl | language, agaida. please. and thank you. | 16:51 |
| agaida | upps | 16:51 |
| wxl | i know, i know. feelings about GTK are strong XD | 16:51 |
| wxl | does GTK3 have any impact on theming that @VikingRedwolf needs to worry about? | 16:52 |
| agaida | yes | 16:53 |
| wxl | oh i'm SURE he'll love that | 16:53 |
| agaida | i think so | 16:53 |
| agaida | wxl: and in case you should be prepared and install a swear filter to the chan | 16:53 |
| wxl | XD | 16:54 |
| agaida | if he would document his work proper it coud be that the $beep-count raise dramatically | 16:55 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @wxl, I'll hate it. I always hate it when they change things | 17:52 |
| agaida | There's this special biologist word we use for "stable". It's "dead". ~ Jack Cohen | 18:00 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> LOL | 18:00 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> please, don't tell me you're a biologist too 😐 | 18:01 |
| agaida | biology was a big part of my studies back in university - i hate it and never used this knowledge again. Or better, i tried to forget all about. | 18:06 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida, wxl has a degree in Biology, funny enough XD | 18:09 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> bloody biologists... | 18:09 |
| wxl | and honors degree no less | 18:09 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> meh | 18:09 |
| wxl | s/nd/n/ | 18:09 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> stop chasing me you biologists! | 18:09 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Hahahahahaha | 18:10 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> my ex biochemist, my best friend biologist, walter biologist, svetlana biochemist... | 18:11 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> .___. | 18:11 |
| agaida | tsimonq2: i did a bit of your job, just higher the pressure on the lxde-team a bit | 18:19 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 19:18:19 <agaida> btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/1740351 | 18:19 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1740351 in lxterminal (Ubuntu) "Build lxterminal for gtk3" [High, New] | 18:19 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Hahaha | 18:21 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida> 2017-12-28 19:18:19 <agaida, Bah, I'll respond later :P | 18:21 |
| agaida | one can't assume that the lxde guys read launchpad bugs | 18:22 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida> 2017-12-28 19:18:19 <agaida, @julienlavergne What's your opinion on this bug? I can give a response once we've decided how it should be, but I'm -1 on enabling GTK 3 support for the LTS... Maybe after... | 18:23 |
| agaida | or even assume that they can read - both not my business | 18:24 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @agaida, Haha? | 18:24 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @tsimonq2, (because ultimately I think it's your decision, Julien :) ) | 18:25 |
| agaida | and thats the difference between LXQt and LXDE: | 18:27 |
| agaida | LXQt: damn, is it safe to use the new version | 18:27 |
| agaida | LXDE: damn, they force us to use a new version, it's horrible, the new version is out only 50 years | 18:27 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Hahaha | 18:28 |
| agaida | a little bit different mindset | 18:28 |
| wxl[m] | > <tsimonq2> @tsimonq2, (because ultimately I think it's your decision, Julien :) ) | 18:29 |
| wxl[m] | Did you just call yourself Julien? | 18:29 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> No | 18:30 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> I was responding to my message to him... | 18:30 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> It's his decision | 18:30 |
| agaida | let them fix some bugs first | 18:30 |
| agaida | or switch now and file a lot of upstream bug | 18:31 |
| agaida | s | 18:31 |
| wxl | but @tsimonq2 it sure looks like you @'d yourself | 18:31 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, That's lubot... | 18:32 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/n9qpazH.jpg | 18:33 |
| wxl | lubot @'s you instead of who you @'d? that's, um, a bug. | 18:33 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Ugh | 18:33 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Look :) | 18:33 |
| wxl | still a bug | 18:33 |
| wxl | another strike against the telegram bridge | 18:33 |
| wxl | i think matrix is up at least by 10 by now | 18:33 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Bah | 18:34 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> I don't like Matrix ;) | 18:34 |
| wxl | bah you haven't even tried | 18:34 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> Matrix is nice! | 18:39 |
| redwolf[m] | the only things I miss here in Matrix are themes and bubbles for the conversations | 18:42 |
| wxl | so make them | 18:42 |
| redwolf[m] | .__. | 18:42 |
| agaida | hrhrhr - how to make developers panic ... | 20:25 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 19:18:19 <agaida> btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/1740351 | 20:25 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 21:13:18 <LStranger> yep, I saw it, and that was promiced before, you know. | 20:25 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 21:14:07 <LStranger> no problem, it's still 1 year before buster freeze, we have plenty of time. :) | 20:25 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 21:16:00 <agaida> erm - it is about lubuntu 18.04 | 20:25 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 21:22:57 <LStranger> ah, silly me, didn't read, thought you were about RC severity on lxterminal in debian | 20:25 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1740351 in lxterminal (Ubuntu) "Build lxterminal for gtk3" [High, New] | 20:25 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 21:23:44 <agaida> in other words - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule - still much time, debian import freeze is 2018/03/01 | 20:25 |
| agaida | 2017-12-28 21:23:50 <LStranger> ah, it actiually is linked to that bug | 20:25 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Hehehehehe | 21:05 |
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