[00:58] @julienlavergne, are we keeping the same system? through launchpad as I always did? [02:39] Phab is going down for some system maintenance [02:39] Shouldn't take more than an hour. [03:02] Phab is back [03:03] wxl: So I figured out why emails weren't sending, we were at a memory cap. I've increased the resource allocation. [03:21] @julienlavergne Would you be open to converting the rest of the Lubuntu Bazaar branches to Git? (I can take care of this if you think it's OK 😉) [03:47] https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#lubuntu [03:47] Anyone [04:20] @Bitcoinare, What's up? [04:23] Id like some help there, please [04:25] @Bitcoinare, There you are :) [04:31] Mr Beer? [10:36] dimosatria was removed by: dimosatria [10:43] @dimosatria, 😢 [10:46] (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3192.mp4 [10:46] @Wolfenprey, 😄 [12:32] chernikovden was added by: chernikovden [12:32] Hello everybody [12:32] Does someone here? [12:57] hello [12:57] 😊 [14:13] @chernikovden, Hey! Welcome! Glad to have you here 😁 [14:42] wxl, @julienlavergne: So this came to my attention: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=790184 just an FYI :) [15:08] wxl, @julienlavergne: I think that bug signals the beginning of the end for LXDE in Buster to be honest. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out... [15:26] tsimonq2: you are two - three weeks late, they know it and they are happy that they now has a reason to use GTK3 [15:27] They meaning LXDE? [15:27] hmm, ok, happy might not be the right word, but anyways [15:27] jupp [15:27] @agaida, Mmm, while I may be late on it, I don't think they'll use GTK 3 without a fight... [15:27] a gtk3 version of LXDE? [15:28] odd [15:28] @VikingRedwolf, It won't happen. Just LXTerminal if anything... [15:28] also, npot very useful. gtklibs are pushing to us, designers, to start coding with gtk4 [15:28] Right [15:29] Qt is a much more stable platform in this respect [15:29] while we're still waiting for a gtk3 version of gimp and inkscape, that we use to design gtk4 widgets XD [15:29] XD [15:29] [2017-12-15 03:44:39] Switching it to build against GTK+3 is okay for me, and it is preferred for HiDPI displays [15:29] [2017-12-15 03:45:25] But is LXTerminal okay to move to GTK+3 only [15:29] [2017-12-15 03:45:26] ? [15:29] [2017-12-15 10:53:11] I'm afraid we have no choice at that, they want to stop gtk2 eventually. Despite the fact gtk3 is pretty buggy, they want change stable to buggy to get a little of support for tablets and wayland. [15:29] [2017-12-15 11:04:11] s/stable/dead [15:29] [2017-12-15 11:06:23] and it is the right thing to do now, because the next stable debian release will be in one or two years - the GTK2 Situation will not get better anymore over time [15:29] [2017-12-15 11:13:21] LStranger is certainly right though, GTK2 is stiiiill better than GTK3. [15:29] [2017-12-15 11:40:43] ok, it is dead - so no new bugs - but the strange smell [15:29] [2017-12-15 11:46:02] and btw - it wasn't my request - only from the debian release team :) [15:30] Time for me to drive, talk later :) [15:30] noooooooooo [15:30] (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3197.mp4 [16:18] Guys, I have an problem with lubuntu [16:18] Can't install driver for wifi(( [16:22] @tsimonq2, Yes please, no more bzr :-) [16:29] @VikingRedwolf, Carmagsimon. Nice classic. [16:29] @chernikovden this is not a support channel. You can go to #lubuntu on Freenode IRC or #freenode_#lubuntu:matrix.org on Matrix [16:31] chernikovden was removed by: chernikovden [16:41] @tsimonq2, That's bad :-/ But well, it took ages to remove gtk1 from the archive, maybe it will be the same for gtk2, but it's just a matter of time ... [16:42] @julienlavergne, Awesome :) [16:42] @julienlavergne, Right :/ [16:42] But it also pushes LXQt a bit... [16:44] @VikingRedwolf, LOL [16:44] i see no push - 96% or more of LXDE build fine with GTK3 - the only blocker is that LStranger is a bit stubborn about implementing the needed GTK3 things [16:45] or more direct: He just hate GTK3 with a whole heart [16:45] …which in light of debian's attitude suggests that it pushes lxqt forward a bit more :) [16:47] Right :) [16:47] let me phrase it otherwise: it force them to go the first step into the right direction [16:47] Either way I'm more apt than ever to openly adopt LXQt [16:47] @agaida, Heh right [16:47] …until gtk4 starts getting pushed [16:48] and on and on and on [16:48] agaida: Once Qt 6 comes we better implement it sooner than later. 😉 [16:48] wxl: gtk4 has the promise to end the "we break the interface with every point release"-attitude [16:49] @tsimonq2, 👍 [16:49] @agaida, But wasn't that the case with GTK 3 as well? :P [16:49] Tsk tsk tsk, empty promises... [16:49] nope [16:49] Off to drive again... [16:50] the GTK3 goal was: We fuck off every project outside of gnome - and the promotion of "Gnome Toolkit" instead of "Gimp Tool Kit" [16:51] language, agaida. please. and thank you. [16:51] upps [16:51] i know, i know. feelings about GTK are strong XD [16:52] does GTK3 have any impact on theming that @VikingRedwolf needs to worry about? [16:53] yes [16:53] oh i'm SURE he'll love that [16:53] i think so [16:53] wxl: and in case you should be prepared and install a swear filter to the chan [16:54] XD [16:55] if he would document his work proper it coud be that the $beep-count raise dramatically [17:52] @wxl, I'll hate it. I always hate it when they change things [18:00] There's this special biologist word we use for "stable". It's "dead". ~ Jack Cohen [18:00] LOL [18:01] please, don't tell me you're a biologist too 😐 [18:06] biology was a big part of my studies back in university - i hate it and never used this knowledge again. Or better, i tried to forget all about. [18:09] @agaida, wxl has a degree in Biology, funny enough XD [18:09] bloody biologists... [18:09] and honors degree no less [18:09] meh [18:09] s/nd/n/ [18:09] stop chasing me you biologists! [18:10] Hahahahahaha [18:11] my ex biochemist, my best friend biologist, walter biologist, svetlana biochemist... [18:11] .___. [18:19] tsimonq2: i did a bit of your job, just higher the pressure on the lxde-team a bit [18:19] 2017-12-28 19:18:19 btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/1740351 [18:19] Launchpad bug 1740351 in lxterminal (Ubuntu) "Build lxterminal for gtk3" [High, New] [18:21] @agaida, Hahaha [18:21] @agaida> 2017-12-28 19:18:19 one can't assume that the lxde guys read launchpad bugs [18:23] @agaida> 2017-12-28 19:18:19 or even assume that they can read - both not my business [18:24] @agaida, Haha? [18:25] @tsimonq2, (because ultimately I think it's your decision, Julien :) ) [18:27] and thats the difference between LXQt and LXDE: [18:27] LXQt: damn, is it safe to use the new version [18:27] LXDE: damn, they force us to use a new version, it's horrible, the new version is out only 50 years [18:28] Hahaha [18:28] a little bit different mindset [18:29] > @tsimonq2, (because ultimately I think it's your decision, Julien :) ) [18:29] Did you just call yourself Julien? [18:30] No [18:30] I was responding to my message to him... [18:30] It's his decision [18:30] let them fix some bugs first [18:31] or switch now and file a lot of upstream bug [18:31] s [18:31] but @tsimonq2 it sure looks like you @'d yourself [18:32] @wxl, That's lubot... [18:33] (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/n9qpazH.jpg [18:33] lubot @'s you instead of who you @'d? that's, um, a bug. [18:33] Ugh [18:33] Look :) [18:33] still a bug [18:33] another strike against the telegram bridge [18:33] i think matrix is up at least by 10 by now [18:34] Bah [18:34] I don't like Matrix ;) [18:34] bah you haven't even tried [18:39] Matrix is nice! [18:42] the only things I miss here in Matrix are themes and bubbles for the conversations [18:42] so make them [18:42] .__. [20:25] hrhrhr - how to make developers panic ... [20:25] 2017-12-28 19:18:19 btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/1740351 [20:25] 2017-12-28 21:13:18 yep, I saw it, and that was promiced before, you know. [20:25] 2017-12-28 21:14:07 no problem, it's still 1 year before buster freeze, we have plenty of time. :) [20:25] 2017-12-28 21:16:00 erm - it is about lubuntu 18.04 [20:25] 2017-12-28 21:22:57 ah, silly me, didn't read, thought you were about RC severity on lxterminal in debian [20:25] Launchpad bug 1740351 in lxterminal (Ubuntu) "Build lxterminal for gtk3" [High, New] [20:25] 2017-12-28 21:23:44 in other words - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule - still much time, debian import freeze is 2018/03/01 [20:25] 2017-12-28 21:23:50 ah, it actiually is linked to that bug [21:05] Hehehehehe