 @julienlavergne, are we keeping the same system? through launchpad as I always did?
[02:39] <tsimonq2> Phab is going down for some system maintenance
[02:39] <tsimonq2> Shouldn't take more than an hour.
[03:02] <tsimonq2> Phab is back
[03:03] <tsimonq2> wxl: So I figured out why emails weren't sending, we were at a memory cap. I've increased the resource allocation.
 @julienlavergne Would you be open to converting the rest of the Lubuntu Bazaar branches to Git? (I can take care of this if you think it's OK 😉)
 https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#lubuntu
 Anyone
 @Bitcoinare, What's up?
 Id like some help there, please
 @Bitcoinare, There you are :)
 Mr Beer?
 @dimosatria, 😢
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3192.mp4
 @Wolfenprey, 😄
 Hello everybody
 Does someone here?
 hello
 😊
 @chernikovden, Hey! Welcome! Glad to have you here 😁
 wxl, @julienlavergne: So this came to my attention: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=790184 just an FYI :)
 wxl, @julienlavergne: I think that bug signals the beginning of the end for LXDE in Buster to be honest. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out...
[15:26] <agaida> tsimonq2: you are two - three weeks late, they know it and they are happy that they now has a reason to use GTK3
[15:27] <wxl[m]> They meaning LXDE?
[15:27] <agaida> hmm, ok, happy might not be the right word, but anyways
[15:27] <agaida> jupp
 @agaida, Mmm, while I may be late on it, I don't think they'll use GTK 3 without a fight...
 a gtk3 version of LXDE?
 odd
 @VikingRedwolf, It won't happen. Just LXTerminal if anything...
 also, npot very useful. gtklibs are pushing to us, designers, to start coding with gtk4
 Right
 Qt is a much more stable platform in this respect
 while we're still waiting for a gtk3 version of gimp and inkscape, that we use to design gtk4 widgets XD
 XD
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 03:44:39] <medicalwei[m]> Switching it to build against GTK+3 is okay for me, and it is preferred for HiDPI displays
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 03:45:25] <medicalwei[m]> But is LXTerminal okay to move to GTK+3 only
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 03:45:26] <medicalwei[m]> ?
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 10:53:11] <LStranger> I'm afraid we have no choice at that, they want to stop gtk2 eventually. Despite the fact gtk3 is pretty buggy, they want change stable to buggy to get a little of support for tablets and wayland.
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 11:04:11] <agaida> s/stable/dead
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 11:06:23] <agaida> and it is the right thing to do now, because the next stable debian release will be in one or two years - the GTK2 Situation will not get better anymore over time
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 11:13:21] <Unit193> LStranger is certainly right though, GTK2 is stiiiill better than GTK3.
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 11:40:43] <agaida> ok, it is dead - so no new bugs - but the strange smell
[15:29] <agaida> [2017-12-15 11:46:02] <agaida> and btw - it wasn't my request - only from the debian release team :)
 Time for me to drive, talk later :)
 noooooooooo
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3197.mp4
 Guys, I have an problem with lubuntu
 Can't install driver for wifi((
 @tsimonq2, Yes please, no more bzr :-)
 @VikingRedwolf, Carmagsimon. Nice classic.
[16:29] <wxl[m]> @chernikovden this is not a support channel. You can go to #lubuntu on Freenode IRC or #freenode_#lubuntu:matrix.org on Matrix
 @tsimonq2, That's bad :-/ But well, it took ages to remove gtk1 from the archive, maybe it will be the same for gtk2, but it's just a matter of time ...
 @julienlavergne, Awesome :)
 @julienlavergne, Right :/
 @VikingRedwolf, LOL
[16:44] <agaida> i see no push - 96% or more of LXDE build fine with GTK3 - the only blocker is that LStranger is a bit stubborn about implementing the needed GTK3 things
[16:45] <agaida> or more direct: He just hate GTK3 with a whole heart
[16:45] <wxl> …which in light of debian's attitude suggests that it pushes lxqt forward a bit more :)
 Right :)
[16:47] <agaida> let me phrase it otherwise: it force them to go the first step into the right direction
 Either way I'm more apt than ever to openly adopt LXQt
 @agaida, Heh right
[16:47] <wxl> …until gtk4 starts getting pushed
[16:48] <wxl> and on and on and on
 agaida: Once Qt 6 comes we better implement it sooner than later. 😉
[16:48] <agaida> wxl: gtk4 has the promise to end the "we break the interface with every point release"-attitude
 @tsimonq2, 👍
 @agaida, But wasn't that the case with GTK 3 as well? :P
 Tsk tsk tsk, empty promises...
[16:49] <agaida> nope
 Off to drive again...
[16:50] <agaida> the GTK3 goal was: We fuck off every project outside of gnome - and the promotion of "Gnome Toolkit" instead of "Gimp Tool Kit"
[16:51] <wxl> language, agaida. please. and thank you.
[16:51] <agaida> upps
[16:51] <wxl> i know, i know. feelings about GTK are strong XD
[16:52] <wxl> does GTK3 have any impact on theming that @VikingRedwolf needs to worry about?
[16:53] <agaida> yes
[16:53] <wxl> oh i'm SURE he'll love that
[16:53] <agaida> i think so
[16:53] <agaida> wxl: and in case you should be prepared and install a swear filter to the chan
[16:54] <wxl> XD
[16:55] <agaida> if he would document his work proper it coud be that the $beep-count raise dramatically
 @wxl, I'll hate it. I always hate it when they change things
[18:00] <agaida> There's this special biologist word we use for "stable". It's "dead". ~ Jack Cohen
 LOL
 please, don't tell me you're a biologist too 😐
[18:06] <agaida> biology was a big part of my studies back in university - i hate it and never used this knowledge again. Or better, i tried to forget all about.
 @agaida, wxl has a degree in Biology, funny enough XD
 bloody biologists...
[18:09] <wxl> and honors degree no less
 meh
[18:09] <wxl> s/nd/n/
 stop chasing me you biologists!
 Hahahahahaha
 my ex biochemist, my best friend biologist, walter biologist, svetlana biochemist...
 .___.
[18:19] <agaida> tsimonq2: i did a bit of your job, just higher the pressure on the lxde-team a bit
[18:19] <agaida> 2017-12-28  19:18:19 <agaida> btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/1740351
 @agaida, Hahaha
 @agaida> 2017-12-28  19:18:19 <agaida, Bah, I'll respond later :P
[18:22] <agaida> one can't assume that the lxde guys read launchpad bugs
 @agaida> 2017-12-28  19:18:19 <agaida, @julienlavergne What's your opinion on this bug? I can give a response once we've decided how it should be, but I'm -1 on enabling GTK 3 support for the LTS... Maybe after...
[18:24] <agaida> or even assume that they can read - both not my business
 @agaida, Haha?
 @tsimonq2, (because ultimately I think it's your decision, Julien :) )
[18:27] <agaida> and thats the difference between LXQt and LXDE:
[18:27] <agaida> LXQt: damn, is it safe to use the new version
[18:27] <agaida> LXDE: damn, they force us to use a new version, it's horrible, the new version is out only 50 years
 Hahaha
[18:28] <agaida> a little bit different mindset
[18:29] <wxl[m]> > <tsimonq2> @tsimonq2, (because ultimately I think it's your decision, Julien :) )
[18:29] <wxl[m]> Did you just call yourself Julien?
 No
 I was responding to my message to him...
 It's his decision
[18:30] <agaida> let them fix some bugs first
[18:31] <agaida> or switch now and file a lot of upstream bug
[18:31] <agaida> s
[18:31] <wxl> but @tsimonq2 it sure looks like you @'d yourself
 @wxl, That's lubot...
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/n9qpazH.jpg
[18:33] <wxl> lubot @'s you instead of who you @'d? that's, um, a bug.
 Ugh
 Look :)
[18:33] <wxl> still a bug
[18:33] <wxl> another strike against the telegram bridge
[18:33] <wxl> i think matrix is up at least by 10 by now
 Bah
 I don't like Matrix ;)
[18:34] <wxl> bah you haven't even tried
 Matrix is nice!
[18:42] <redwolf[m]> the only things I miss here in Matrix are themes and bubbles for the conversations
[18:42] <wxl> so make them
[18:42] <redwolf[m]> .__.
[20:25] <agaida> hrhrhr - how to make developers panic ...
[20:25] <agaida> 2017-12-28  19:18:19 <agaida> btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/+bug/1740351
[20:25] <agaida> 2017-12-28  21:13:18 <LStranger> yep, I saw it, and that was promiced before, you know.
[20:25] <agaida> 2017-12-28  21:14:07 <LStranger> no problem, it's still 1 year before buster freeze, we have plenty of time. :)
[20:25] <agaida> 2017-12-28  21:16:00 <agaida> erm - it is about lubuntu 18.04
[20:25] <agaida> 2017-12-28  21:22:57 <LStranger> ah, silly me, didn't read, thought you were about RC severity on lxterminal in debian
[20:25] <agaida> 2017-12-28  21:23:44 <agaida> in other words - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule - still much time, debian import freeze is 2018/03/01
[20:25] <agaida> 2017-12-28  21:23:50 <LStranger> ah, it actiually is linked to that bug
 Hehehehehe