 Oneplus One OTA-3  has a problem with internal storage? I do not see anything when I connect to the PC with Windows 10. Sorry for my English
 as if I did not recognize the device
 @UniversalSuperBox, I created the stickers
 @Waldbursche, 🍪
 ✌
 @dohbee, no i was not trying to be cynical, i think about what arguments ppl bring up against gksudo. That extra user sonfig is passed in environmental variables. that a bigger environment is copied over to prevent root files in user's home. It seems to me like security concerns of gksu are blown out of proportions. In reality i think it just boils down to development team wanting to push policykit which allows for more granular control and the
[00:40] <tgBot> longer wish users can elevate entire gui app. On the other hand pkexec doeanr seem to allow this easily. And also what if user explicitely wants the gksudo behavior. … Policies have to first be made in /usr/share/polkit-1 which requires root and is more complicated. I have reead a lot and dont really see any real problem about gksu. Policykit suddenly is preffered but not quite yet at the usability level of gksu for the simplest use cases.
 @dohbee, i see, was that plan also figured out for xmir xmir scenario? did it assume using the same terminal app or another one?
 @dohbee, exactly what i inderstood as well. I just think that while awesome it also hasn't reached the easiness of use of gksudo. … I think it would be nicer if both were present, and users/devs could opt for using either.  … But yeah, the debate has been ongoing in general so I am not even bringing anything new to the table.
 @dohbee, if tested to prove correct and made shipped by default i would for sure attempt to use that.
 @mariogrip Damn, you were faster adding timekeeper to meta. But it works good now :)
 @nfsprodriver, haha :)
 I have also started merging qt5.9 into xenial
 Sounds good, so we have some progress tonight so close after christmas :D
 :)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/xREzYUeE/file_3270.webp
 Awesome job on the stickers @Waldbursche !!! :D
 I wanna play ubuntu touch.
[01:26] <tgBot> Howard was added by: Howard
 @Rekols, Good song lyrics...
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/4hr41wKJ/file_3272.jpg
 @exar_kun, Does anyone know where the exact code is for the symbols that appear in this keyboard?
 @exar_kun, https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component
 Thanks, I found that, but I can't find the exact location for this particular language
 i.e. If I wanted something different to show up for that language's keyboard, then where would I go to make that change?
 @nfsprodriver, I need to get xenial on my opo pretty snappily it seems
 @PhoenixLandPirate, There's no updater, unless that was fixed within the past day
 wow
 @exar_kun, for that input method you mean, as this languages has couple different keyboard layouts to choose from. … I once saw blog post about IME in Chinese not maliit though and the layout was not coded by symbols but rather by an offset in unicode character table.
 ubuntu touch is a cool operater system
 @exar_kun, in plugins/chewing i think
 Is it possible to upgrade multirom stable Ubuntu touch 15.04 via changing sources.list to ubports?
 https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/tree/master/plugins/chewing
 @Rekols, You realized that three years too late 😂😂😂
 @Mappaschreck, you should not upgrade via apt
 @KrisJacewicz, Right. Someone in the chinese group was asking, hoping to enable pinyin with traditional characters
 there's a separate plug-in for pinyin
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ah thanks and @dohbee thanks
 There's also plugins/pinyin as Rodney said, that's likely what you want
 ubuntu touch not die!!!
 Ok thanks everyone
 you can also create a new plug-in for pinyin with traditional characters, if you want
 i only can write Qt Widget
 @exar_kun, then altering zhuyin plugin is not the way to go. Because the way you compose/translate from zhuyin (the "chewing" so funny) and from pinyin are very different.
 I will not QML
 @UniversalSuperBox, It's was added today or yesterday me believes, saw it on github, and now a screenshot :)
 oh
 @dohbee, there are few pinyin plugins but some of them only allow simplified chinese while others let you to choose betweennsimplofied and traditional. And personnwho btought up chewing might be Taiwanese and wish to use traditional characters. If that is the case then not all pinyin plugins faciliatw that unfortunately
 there's only one pinyin plug-in for the keyboard
 and only one chewing plug-in for it
 @KrisJacewicz, I see. I was hoping maybe a traditional set could be added to pinyin
 i the github i linked to
 Not the existing one but a copy of the pinyin input
 @exar_kun, see Rodneys link. And whichever pinyin plugin u end up with try seeing it just might support both character sets.
 this have a developers?
 (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0fEqveS2/file_3273
 adding support for other things in ibus with ubuntu-keyboard will be a lot of work
 Ok thanks guys
 Checks GitHub
 Marius is going to town
 @UniversalSuperBox https://github.com/ubports/system-settings/pull/34
 👀
 (Photo, 802x182) https://irc.ubports.com/B600BO5K/file_3275.jpg
 @UniversalSuperBox, Confirmed
 @KrisJacewicz, Not sure what you mean. Terminal apps don't need xmir
 @dohbee, i mean a scenario when you run xmir app, and then that xmir app calls terminal with some command fed into it. FOr example if you want your unelevated app to, say, add repo, you can from your app use exec to call: … gnome-terminal -e "sudo add-apt-repository -y 'deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ julia main' " … And your app needs no sudo, needs not even to elevate itself, user will see the terminal appear and can key in sudo passwo
[02:08] <tgBot> run what needs to be ran.
 well, then it's calling a specific terminal app in that case
 @UniversalSuperBox, I know you guys enjoin big pr's :)
 @dohbee, yes, it is. I would use that in the case if I knew that systems ships with specific terminal app (ie distro-specific) but not with gksu by default. … because using exec to call /bin/bash -c "..." will not be interactive. Sudo checks if it is run in a TTY.
 i have no idea what you're talking about
 @dohbee, also you might want to make a desktop launcher with Terminal=true that still has xmir flags set, so that terminal program can also call gui apps. Maybe not first scenario that comes to mind, but if that was something you needed, I am not sure if it would work if the terminal app was not ran via xmir itself.
 you seem to be contriving extraneously weird scenarios just for the sake of arguing
 @dohbee, not at all. I work with lots of scenarios like that.
 you work with traditionalist scenarios where the route you take is the easy one, because it's always easy to just say screw it and do everything as root
 @dohbee, yes precisely. I
 I deal with scenarios you might not be dealing with. And I can't afford to figure out things for too long. It has to work and be done within defined timeframe.
 well that's unfortunate
 well that's my treality, I hv to do what I got to do
 that's fine
 but everyone else is not in your scenario
 fine, i reckon that. I'll not be folowing up on this here.
 New Update. Great. ;-)
 @Flohack and i are having a lively discussion here. I open up and share about my experience and what I learned about volunteering for UBports. I think open platforms of communication like this, while a little uncomfortable sometimes, make for stronger communities. https://forums.ubports.com/topic/782/organize-and-stimulate-promotion-of-ubports-ubuntu-touch/14
 battery drain on Nexus 5, is it a known issue? it went down by ~40% overnight, I thought it was a hardware issue since it's 2nd hand but it doesn't happen on SailfishOS
 @nfsprodriver, If it works good.. can that be pushed to rc channel?
 🤺
[07:25] <tgBot> ChaBlack was added by: ChaBlack
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
 @lotuspsychje, Good morning :(
 * :)
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> hey there optimus9650
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> too abd tab nick completion doesnt work on telegram nicks
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> bad
 @alan_morford, This is a known bug. If the problem persists, I recommend you to read the following bug report: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/377. Try to use TweekGeek, wiping the data only, this shall resolve the issue
 Hi there i need to update my N5 which is the best channel I have to use? thank all
 @MrNobodyroaster, To me : Rc
 Rc here too
 ok thank all
 I will try run RC channell
 @dohbee, Continuing here ;) - Well I agree in an ideal case we just "skin" and "enhance" the desktop app so it fits our use case. However, a few things we have to keep in mind. For example there are no secret chats in the desktop app. If we want this, we need to again go deep in this code, since it is a monobloc and has no internal layers etc. It might end up being again a patient in ICU
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 @Howard, Hello Howard. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @||||||||||||||, Hello lots of l or lots of I. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Mappaschreck, Abandon Multirom but bear on mind that Anbox will be coming soon
 @ChaBlack, Hello Cha. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Stereofont, thanks a lot
 @Stereofont, Thanks Lionel! Really appreciated all of the hard work you guys are putting in to keep Ubuntu Touch going! Thank you very much and I will of course be donating!
 @Howard, Thanks very much! ;)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0hc8Tumc/file_3277.jpg xenial, with unity8 master branch, mir 0.26, qt 5.9 and alot more updated
 It's all in http://repo.ubports.com/dists/xenial_-_mir28/ btw if someone wants to try
 @mariogrip, Which device is this?
 Fairphone 2
 but shoud work on all the others
 I am not sure what I am looking at but it looks nice
 @mariogrip, It would be nice to make the app drawer full width on small form factors and do away with the apps scope.
 I don't think we need both, or is it already gone in xenial and my suggestion is not valid? 😊
 @DanChapman, humm, yeah that would be really nice
 @DanChapman, well, xenial now has the old unity8 with the dash still
 but this is just a "branch" to try newer things
 👍
[10:06] <tgBot> Beingmishra was added by: Beingmishra
 Welcome @Beingmishra! I'm part of the Welcome Team. To get you up to speed, please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 i installed "text secure" app on my BQ E5 and on Nexus 5. The app works fine on my BQ E5. The app breaks on my N5 when i try to open a contact to write a message. … Is anybody here to confirm this "feature" ? 😅
 As I have recently got my Oneplus One from my brother I unlicked its bootloader and looking for custom ROMs I can get for this beast... After trying 11-12 ROMs I came to know that Ubuntu touch is also ported to Oneplus one... But the thing is I don't have a PC so is there any flashable zip I can download
 @Beingmishra, Now, that's an interesting question! We probably need to wait for the core developers to notice this...
 @peternerlich, Any other way to get that... If I manage to get a PC than after installing that .exe installer howuch data should I needed
 @Waldbursche, I have open an issue … https://github.com/nanu-c/textsecure-qml/issues/5
[10:38] <tgBot> Vycecrash was added by: Vycecrash
 Fwd from TronFortyTwo: not officially that I know, since UT is more than a custom rom so it needs a more complex installation process
 @Beingmishra
 Ohk
 Thanx....
[10:40] <tgBot> <Big ET> @G1ott1, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cat bin/matchbox-wrapper.sh  … #!/bin/bash … ( … export TMPDIR=/tmp … export DISPLAY=:1 … Xmir $DISPLAY —desktop_file_hint=unity8 & … sleep 1 … # xlogo … # xeyes … # x11vnc -forever -nopw -quiet -display $DISPLAY & … matchbox-window-manager & … sleep 1 … matchbox-keyboard & … $@ … ) 2>&1 2» /tmp/test.log
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/AiZHiSVR/file_3281.jpg
[10:41] <tgBot> <Big ET> you have to install matchbox and friends with apt-get
 @Beingmishra, but if you get access to a computer, there's an easy installer for it
 @peternerlich, I know about installer
 Welcome @Vycecrash! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. to help you get up to speed please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[10:43] <tgBot> <Big ET> What will be the most effective way to help with 16.04 testing on pro5? I already have some bugs to report and help fix.
 The w10 device does not recognize me when I connect the USB driver ... something to install special? "OnePlus One- OTA3"
 sorry for my English!
 @miguelaspalmas, install GNU/Linux
 @vanyasem  Ubuntu in virtual machine, does not even recognize it ... should install it native?
 @vanyasem, Best choise in 2018
 @miguelaspalmas, do you even USB passthrough?
 @vanyasem  no :(
 @vanyasem  does not do anything, when I connect it
 it only starts loading
 what?
 have you passed your phone to a vm?
 you don't just "connect it" to something that doesn't exist physically
 watch this video please
 74/5000 … it's in a virtual machine, where it recognizes it but I do not have access to the mobile
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9OnAM7ZN/file_3282.flv
 have you tried waiting?
 unlock your phone and enter a passcode
 yes unlock
 will any driver be missing?
 I suggest taking this conversation to the Newcomers Room
 @miguelaspalmas, from Ubuntu? no. you are probably doing something wrong
 Lotus, we are maybe approaching the law of diminishing returns with Telegram. Smaller benefits at much greater cost
 @Beingmishra, If you mean can you use TWRP, the answer is no. You will need access to some kind of desktop /laptop
 @Stereofont, Ohk
 @miguelaspalmas, Agree that this should go to the welcome room. Press the link in this Hello Migue. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
[11:25] <Fardale> Hello, where can I follow the ubport project and the halium project ?
[11:26] <Fardale> In the topic maybe change the web site address to the new web site ?
 Fardale you can learn a lot from here. I suggest you watch some of the recent Community Updates on YouTube. Join the News Channel for links
 @ubports_news
[11:28] <Fardale> Stereofont: @ubports_news is a telegram Channel or an irc Channel ?
 @Big ET, Thank you very much.  … Sadly, I'm still not able to run x11: trying to run evince, in /tmp/test.log I get:    … Unrecognized option: —desktop_file_hint=unity8 … use: X [:<display>] [option] … [...] … (EE)  … Fatal server error: … (EE) Unrecognized option: —desktop_file_hint=unity8 … (EE)  … matchbox: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. …  (evince:24930): WARNING : Could not open X display …  (evince:24
[11:36] <tgBot> retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files … gdk_mir_display_open … Failed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: Permission denied … Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused … Cannot parse arguments: Cannot open display:
 Fardale it is Telegram
 Fardale, here is a link to the discussions https://ubports.com/blog/community-updates-5/post/community-update-19-109
[11:38] <Fardale> I am on IRC
 @Fardale, Yep, it's bridged by a bot
[11:39] <Fardale> Thanks for the link
[12:07] <tgBot> IGNNE was added by: IGNNE
 Hi @IGNNE! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. to help you get up to speed please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/hiqEMJH7/file_3285.jpg
 Ubports unity8 on desktop :) with qt5.9
 nice!
 @mariogrip, cool
 @mariogrip, OMG OMG OMG! :D
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> cool
 (Sticker, 362x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0r4mIrK4/file_3286
 Xenial?
 @alan_griffiths, Yes
 @mariogrip, it's the same source as this ^
 The goal is to use same source for both desktop and mobile
 back in the days, I'm always excited for Michael Zanetti's and WIll Cooke's updates...now it's from Marius! awesome work! :D
 @mariogrip, Convergence😍😍😍😍
 Are there instructions how to test the mir26 branch?
 Does ubports has any plan support unity 8 desktop?
 I mean will you provide iso files for desktop?
 @technicalbird, Check Yunit
 I know Yunit but they provide only ppas to install
 Not an iso...
 UBports is a mobile platform
 On that notice, what would it take to try and port the current UT for desktop devices?
 @nfsprodriver, you probably need to add the mir26 branch
 @technicalbird, I built one a few month ago, but it's not published anywhere. You can build it yourself though: https://github.com/JBBgameich/yunit-test-iso
 sudo add-apt-repository 'deb http://repo.ubports.com/ xenial_-_mir26 main'
 something  like this?
 W: http://repo.ubports.com/dists/xenial_-_mir26/Release.gpg: Signature by key B551C909D750AA744948E9ED4BD4B4D6DBB583F1 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1) … W: Invalid 'Date' entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/repo.ubports.com_dists_xenial%5f-%5fmir26_Release
 what does this mean? 😩
 @JBBgameich, Thank you... I will try this over the weekend..
 @popescu_sorin, It means that @mariogrip needs to change the signing ket
 cough cough
 oh :D ok
 @UniversalSuperBox, Which repository management toll are you using? aptly, reprepro or something else?
[13:42] <tgBot> kaisoz was added by: kaisoz
 Hi there 😊
 @kaisoz, Welcome Tom! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 Hello Everybody! Finally Nexus-7 OTA has arrived 😆 - https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/378
 And its r2 there, since N7 started later to be available
 Which reminds me of the idea to give some names to OTAs
 like Sailfish OS (which I can't even read or pronounce) and LuneOS?
 OTA4 Eyjafjallajökull
 Hi, do you have any problems with recording videos on the Nexus 5 (15.04 stable)?
 Instead of sweets or landscapes, maybe people. Payne, Mandela, Diderot
 @GiovanniStaiano, I think that's a known issue and video playback as well
 OTA4 Trump
 X-)'
 @popescu_sorin, 😂😂😂😂😂
 Only people with big hands, please
 @Javacookies, So you do not need to report it?
 @Javacookies, It was reported that playback works in UTtweaktool. Odd but a workaround
 yeah because it uses the web player, I think same player with youtube/online videos
 @GiovanniStaiano, No, please search or tracker for it, there are various reports already ^^
 Ok! But is it a problem of the system or the camera app?
 When will Moto G 2014 be among the supported devices?
 @Alex, there jave to be a person or team that port to it. Do you know if there already is?
 @dohbee Trying to find a document explaining urls.json usage, but nothing ^^ - any idea where this could be describedß
 @Flohack, url-dispatcher source maybe
[14:49] <tgBot> <Big ET> @G1ott1, yes, you should not do blind copy&paste, secondly use man or xmir —help. … This is for the future, for now: you should have 2 dashes before desktop_file_hint so:--default_file_hint
 Adding m26 branch and updating unity8 does NOT the job to test new mir. It brakes the installation (yet).
 can I still use ubuntu-device-flash for installing ubuntu touch?
 @Javacookies, Sure
 @Big ET, Absolutely. Thanks a lot.
 but how do I change it so ubports server will be used?
 @Alex, Since iirc it's an Halium port, it will be when UT reach xenial
 NVM, I think I found it, thanks
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --device=krillin --channel=ubports-touch/15.04/stable --bootstrap --recovery-image=recovery-krillin.img
 Example. Debootstrap if you already have UBports recovery
 thanks but looks like there's really no 16.04 yet for Nexus 7, I thought there was already for all the devices … anyway, I'll just try out other OSs on it like SailfishOS and MaruOS :P
 Does anybody know how to repair rootfs from recovery without loosing userdata?
 i think a reflash will do without wipe
 adb shell e2fsck -yf/data/ubuntu.img
 Thanks! Will check that way. Yet it didn't boot up (tried with preinstalled rootfs.tar.gz)...
 @mariogrip, Stop teasing us :P
 (Sticker, 512x351) https://irc.ubports.com/qNLKQrK4/file_3288
 Will bootstrap wipe my data?
 @nfsprodriver, Yes
 Hm.
 Did you upgrade via apt?
 Yes. But now I fail flashing it. On Windows, Linux... It's not my day.
 Yeah, that will break things.
 Fwd from telegram-app test channel: I need someone to post smth here when I am not inside
 Whoever posted this should know that nobody can say something in a channel
 @mariogrip, that is exciting. I'm yet still to try xenial :P
 @Lorxu, you can add editors
 that will get access to posting/deleting
 @Lorxu, Its me, can I make you admin for a day ^^
 (Photo, 718x1025) https://irc.ubports.com/1bQ32f03/file_3290.jpg
 Uhm, okay :P
 don't you have a channel @Lorxu
 you should really make one
 Why should I have a channel?
 @Lorxu, Can you just post smth in this channel? I need to test notifications on Telegram, which are broken for channels somehiw
 i have a channel with my photo timeline (aka Instagram) … i also have a semi-tech pseudo-blog
 Made you admin now
 @vanyasem, i used to have a twitter-alike channel but i moved to mastodon for that
 so there are a lot of opportunities in having a channel @Lorxu :P
 I already have a Twitter but I think this is not really an useful topic for the on-topic channel
 @Flohack, Did that help?
 @Lorxu, yes I might ask you in a few minutes again. Its now appearing, but still not clickable so that it opens the channel ^^
 Sure, can also poke me in private to spam the channel less
 @Lorxu, Ok one more plz ^^
 Ubuntu touch port on Xiaomi redmi 4x?
 @tuna_mert, Supported Devices: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 @KrisJacewicz, Yes there is. … https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t3608846
 @TronFortyTwo, When will 16.04 be out?
 16.04 is installable today on supported devices, but it is still unstable
 Can I install 16.04 on bq e4.5?
 How? :D
 I would like to test performances of my apps on 16.04 :)
 @Alex, OTA 4-5 hopefully
 @Lorxu, Plz send a sticker to the channel
 @turanmahmudov, Not yet, but will be possible
 Mhm thanks )
 The next update of the Instagraph app contains stories and more features like in the Android version. I have performance issues on 15.04 or on bq e4.5
 @turanmahmudov, channel ubports-touch/16.04/devel ?
 @TronFortyTwo, What do you mean?
 I am trying now :) thanks
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/xO30m0pN/file_3295
 @dohbee, one more plz ^^
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/VFYb1kJz/file_3296.webp
 Oh, you meant this channel, not the other one o.o
 @Lorxu, both please ^^
 I already sent to the other one. Another there?
 yes another one ^^
 WORKS! thx
 @vanyasem, Who's Nelli?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, one underage girl from Belarus :P
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/GohXnouT/file_3297.webp
 she's in our OT chat
[16:16] <Fardale> In xenial devel channel, I don't see any application in the store, is it normal ?
 Oh I've never talked to her but she has said some things
 you really should, she runs elementary OS
 I should talk to her because she runs elementary OS?
 yes. that is weird for a 12-years old girl
 don't you agree with me on that one
 I started programming when I was 12 :P
 i started at 9 lol
 wow i feel old
 shouldn't we move to our OT chat? @ubports_ot
 we're getting way off
 Yeah, the mini me is 12 years old, but I don't think he even has a laptop or desktop
 @vanyasem, Yes
 @dohbee, "2017/12/28 20:24:32 Device is |krillin| … 2017/12/28 20:24:33 Flashing version 3 from ubports-touch/16.04/devel channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device krillin"
 "sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=krillin —channel=ubports-touch/16.04/devel"
 yep
 now downloading
 There's already 16.04/devel for krillin, didn't knew that
 👍
 good job, Thanks ubports,
 http://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/16.04/devel/
 but, What are the main improvements in this update?
 @mariogrip How can we test the mir26 branch?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0HQP00Y0/file_3299
 @Sunshine, It's xenial. The deep improvements will follow ;)
 hi, … can you make any book or tutorial recomandations if i want to get into ubuntu touch develoupment? … (besides what to find on the UBports-Page and Sourcecode)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/QMNlGL07/file_3255
 @Sunshine, You are on a supported ubuntu version. 15.04 is end of life and does not get any (security) updates
 @jmnemonix, We have a developer course linked in the forum under app development. Im on the road maybe someone has the link
 @Flohack, i have a pro5，I hope to get continuous updates，on 16.04
 We hope, too lol
 @Flohack, i found it thanks
 @Flohack, I tried a new version of 16:04，but But version 1 have bugs more, It can only be returned to 15.04
 @jmnemonix, but i meant more like system development :)
 @Sunshine, Sure it is not ready for use
 Hi Guys i´m working on a QML Facebook webapp into Webviw, but i have one problem i dont know how to solve, it seems it dont save the login cookies with the Facebook account on my device, soneone have a idea ? The code you can found here
 https://github.com/Ruditimmermans/Sailbook/blob/master/Sailbook/Main.qml
 @jmnemonix, Thats hard, we dont have good documents since we also dont know how all things work. Canonical documented mostly the app dev and user parts ^^
 Ubuntu touch OS for Motorola Moto G3 turbo
 @gustavoarseniotkd, Is this a question?
 @Flohack, ok thanks
 @jmnemonix, If you want to port a new device join the Halium group
 @Flohack, tg group?
 Yes
 @halium
 @Flohack, thank you。I will always try 16:04，Where can I see the latest update list？
 We dont have a changelog yet.
 but, ota1 to ota3？？
 Why hasn't it changed
 @Sunshine, https://ubports.com/blog/latest-news-1/post/ubuntu-touch-ota-3-106
 16.04 hasn't had any updates
 It's a preview of future things to come
 It's in process of getting all the updates from 15.04 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/384#issuecomment-354310063
 @Xray2000, is this a port of the one for SailfishOS?
 It gone be yes
 I make the one on Sailfish with a frend of me
 This could be a misunderstanding, I'm talking about this，，，
 (Photo, 719x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qNRjdjI9/file_3301.jpg
 It's built daily
 @Xray2000, cool! I'm using it on my SailfishOS install … someone please help this person :D
 @Javacookies, Thanks itś just a basic version now when i can fix the cookies saved then i can add more ....
 good night，88
 @Javacookies, I dont code anymore on sfos Dylan is doing Dailbook for it now, i moved away from sfos
 I see....I just started with sfos and I'm using it in MultiROM setup with UT...but that's off-topic now :) … you should ask in the Ubuntu App Developer instead but I don't know how to tag the group here :(
 Ok thanks yes i also dont know the group tag.... mebay someone here know it...
 # can be used in the manifest file and will be automatically replaced by cmake … configure_file(manifest.json.in ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/manifest.json)
 is it possible to do this with qmake as well ?
 (creating manifest.json from the .in file) ?
[17:29] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Hi all! Designers in our Russian telegram group asks where are UTouch design concepts stored? I mean I remember some ppl told about forum topic about concepts and design proposals... But I found nothing.
 @balcy, Not that i'm aware of. But you could use `system("sed ....")` and there's also a `write_file(...)` if you wanted to write the complete contents of the manifest from the .pro file
 ok that could be possible, thanks Dan!
[17:36] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Actually I found no topic about design proposals on forum; so, I'm going to create one.
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, There's a whole design section!
 reboot bootloader/fastboot really doesn't work on UT? … I run it directly on my Nexus 7.....USB connection has really been a struggle so I failed to do it from my laptop
 and using power+volume- doesn't seem to work :(
[17:43] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> @UniversalSuperBox, Done: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/834/ui-design-concepts-and-proposals … I'll upload some found mockups here. Let this topic to be a place for discussing UT UI future.
 Fardale, restart and reload the store
[17:44] <Fardale> How I do that ?
 Fardale close the store by slow swipe from right, then dismiss the app by swiping it either up or down. Then restart the phone
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, Must of the original stuff from Canonical is probably lost at this point. There were bits all over the place, mostly in Google Docs and some other odd places, and most of them were private design docs
 one can probably scour launchpad bugs or canonical design blog for links or pictures for designs, but a lot of that is just gone now i think :-/
 @vanyasem, dude 😂
 i am underage, too
 nothing to worry about
 it's ok. you're russian. everything you do is illegal :P
 😂
 (Sticker, 314x512) https://irc.ubports.com/53Mq8LCW/file_3298
 @dohbee, rofl
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/STO0JHwT/file_3303.jpg
 @mariogrip, Is it available to test?
 @TheImpulson, yes, I will create some short docs on how to install
 @mariogrip, Thanks.
 Awesome!!  i wonder how it will improve app performance
 A bit off-topic on that, on SailfishOS, with 8 apps open, only 35% of memory is used...on my newly booted bq E5 with terminal open, almost 90% is already used, WTH! Will that ever be improved in UT? Perhaps with Qt5.9?
 i doubt qt5.9 will improve it
 @dohbee, It is surprising, the performance improvements they've made on ARM
 not really. unless it was extremely leaky, there's no way it's going to reduce RAM consumed by 600 MB
 @UniversalSuperBox, Did Qt for Android even exist in the Qt version you used before? They worked on the arm performance for this project most likely
 @mariogrip, Which is better for testing? M10 or Nexus 5?
 if qt was leaking that bad on ARM, it almost certainly would have been almost as bad on X86
 hoping that qt 5.9 will solve some mysterious issue that nobody knows anything about, regarding memory usage, is not going to get you very far :)
 someone's going to have to actually debug the issue and find out what exactly is using the memory and why
 and i'm not sure a direct comparison of memory usage between sailfish and ubuntu is feasible
[19:21] <Fardale> @Stereofont I try but nothing show up. I am on nexus 4
 @dohbee, I think its totally unitys fault. Even on the desktop its a memory hog
 @Flohack, it's definitely not totally unity's fault. probably a little, but i think it's more of a general architectural problem, and unity8 is just one big example of that
 i would suspect much of the problem with memory in unity8 might be in ubuntu-ui-toolkit, rather than unity8 itself
 but basically the core ideal of "do lots of logic inside qml" is going to mean higher memory usage
[19:29] <tgBot> <Gerd Sänger> (Sticker, 334x512) https://irc.ubports.com/CQay3u5e/file_3304
 so "fixing" the issues is going to be a lot more invasive and time consuming, than just upgrading to a new qt
 @dohbee, Sorry, but - why would one ever want to do that? It's an embedded device, after all
 QML runs everywhere that its interpreter does
 C++ runs everywhere gcc/clang does...
 Sure, but you need to recompile it when you change the version of gcc
 @IGNNE, Qml is independet of c++ runtime
 @IGNNE, because it's "easy"
 Guess why android chose java
 Did not mean to start a flamewar
 No flames here
 But Java with all this Thumb, JiT etc. stuff had its problems, but afaik runs pretty fast now
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/uVo1h4lt/file_3305.webp
 @IGNNE, Indeed. Likewise, the QML caching and JIT fanciness that Canonical made for Ubuntu Touch helps us.
 and we never landed the fancy stuff that maemo/tizen/whatever had
 @IGNNE, some time ago
 when it was visible that the caching only helped a bit
 to improve the startup time and run time . I started to work on a C++ quick frontend
 The idea was to construct the widget tree as c++ expressions .. with c++14 .. one could easily get that with variadic functions and some nifty gcc extensions...
 but I realized that qml users were qml users in the frist place because they didnt want to do something in c++..
 well
 qml is great for ui
 and awful for logic
 before canonical I worked at a company that had a qt competitor that allowed you to express logic in state machines
 Hm, I like how you can get usually quite complex things done very quickly in Qml - but if it has such a performance impact :/
 or rather uml state charts
 @IGNNE, well, javascript is javascript. write a massive single page application all in js, and see how your browser uses more memory
 it's how interpreted languages work
 But my webapp is (hopefully) not part of the core ui
 FF OS, I am looking at you
 @IGNNE, I always had the impression that you only acchieve 'fast' when it comes down to number crunching, because there the jit makes sense.. in all the other cases you just kill the cpu caches..
 well, you write code for your target
 but the way qml is interpreted too, is also not great
 which really doesn't help when you start adding in logic branches
 Fardale, if you are trying to get UbuntuStore don't. Only use OpenStore
 @Stereofont, I just wanted to followup taht using UT Tweak Tool to clear the app cache for Settings allowed me to successfully switch to Stable.
 On my n5.
 Excellent. Very useful to have that feedback. We will advise others to try that. It also gives a clue about the cause of the problem
 No need to clear config
 I had some issues getting wifi to connect for a bit this morning. It seemed like every other reboot broke wifi. Dunno. I'll keep playing with it.
 @alan_morford, If it continues, see if it remedies in development channel
 Thanks
 @Stereofont, That workaround was already described by Alan g on his github report
[20:19] <Fardale> @Stereofont I try to use open store but nothing is display in the store
 Fardale, try a switch to development channel then return to stable. A good chance that will fix your problem
 @mariogrip, This is like having a working unity8 on desktop not like with yunit or 17.04
 @Stereofont, i think fardale is talking about the 16.04 devel image
[20:22] <Fardale> @Stereofont I am already in devel channel, I am on 16.04
 Fardale in that case don't expect it to work! Sorry I misunderstood
[20:23] <Fardale> No problem I was asking to find out if it is known or not
 16.04 is a work in progress. Lots  doesn't work
 @malditobastardo, Yep. That's where I found it but he deleted config too which wasn't necessary. Hence my post on here.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/7ws0evQD/file_3307.png
 WebApps don't know space and have coloured numbers.
 that's a weird font issue
 @alan_morford, For me worked better using TweekGeek app instead, opening System Settings and only wiping "data". Rebooting the issue is resolved and you can switch again among the channels. In this way, you don't need to wipe config.
 I've just upgraded my mother's BQ E5 from the Canonical image to the Ubports image with the Ubuntu installer. … It was sooooooooooooo easy! … Congratillations for the great work!
 @DiogoConstantino, thanks! Not all people experience it that easy ^^
 I have a question about Halium and porting to a new device, is this the right group? Or has UBports a developer group for this?
 Halium has it's own porting related group, but if it's a more general question, this is the right place
 I have an Oneplus X and UBports isn't going to support it soon. Currently I'm running Sailfish OS since Halium uses the Libhydris layer of Sailfish OS I was wondering how difficult the porting would be if there's already a Libhydris based working port is available?
 If the SailfishOS port is android 5.1 based, it should work with halium quite easily. However Halium also has a 7.1 tree, and if you want to use it, you will have to start a new port based on Android 7. It's still less work than starting a port of a device not supported by SailfishOS, because a few things are already done by SailfishOS then.
 The Sailfish port is based on Android 5.1 and works really good. If I understand correctly from the Halium docs, the Libhydris debugging is the biggest part of Halium porting? And that's already covered by the SFOS porter
 Would there be any caveats of using Halium 5.1 for running Ubports or Plasma Mobile?
 I'm currently not sure if UBports has libhybris builds for android 5.1, better ask some UBports developer brefore using android 5.1
 I will ask more in the dedicated Halium group, thanks!
 @JBBgameich, Yep, it sure does
 The plain ol' Xenial rootfs will work for 5.1, 5.1-caf, and 7.1. CAF rootfs is for 7.1 only
 Does a 7.1 work automatically work on 5.1 too?
 oh, well the bq m10 was always based on android 5.1
 @JBBgameich, or how did you build a rootfs that works on 5.1 and 7.1?
 uh
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 randomly tuned in to bryan lunduke and heard we are mad at him?
 why's that
 @neothethird, wha??
 Who is that?
 some linux youtuber
 @neothethird, he had Marius and Bhushan at some point
 yeah
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp-K-0NROf4
 man that feels like a million years ago
 @neothethird, i heard he said some not very nice things about ubports
 huh, ok
 or more specifically, unity
 hmm
 but whatever, it's impossible to actually talk to anyone about real issues with such things
[22:35] <Fardale> @Stereofont I know, I have a spare nexus 4 so I decided to test UBport and report bug if I found some
 they just want to bitch and moan about it for the sake of having something to bitch and moan about, as best i can tell
 yeah, especially a guy like bryan, i used to watch him a lot, but in the last six months his show has just become chasing scandals
 only the last six months? lol
 haha
 i mean, it became a lot worse
 it's a pity, though. He has a huge impact on many people
 I decided to wipe my N5 and start over but realized I had a couple thing downloaded from the now removed app store. Things that aren't in the open app store. Are they still out there somewhere I can get to?
 well, the few who listen to the few who are loud and overbearing, anyway
 @dohbee, probably, yeah. Let's just move on
 @alan_morford, we uploaded a lot to the openstore in the past weeks, are you sure it's not there?
 Apps from canonical?
 what app?
 Is there somewhare a full backup of the old store?
 Their Twitter web app notified
 not really
 and that's fixable in ubports side
 (that is, the webapp didn't actually do anything other than exist, for notifications to work, because you need it installed to add the account, and for the polld code to work)
 @dohbee, What do you mean?
 Oh
 and it makes battery usage worse, so better to turn it off anyway
 Right. I don't mind the battery drain. So is it out there somewhere?
 i don't know where the code for that lived. it looks like it might have been under a project that is "proprietary" on launchpad :-/
 oh, no, found it
 https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webapps-demo/trunk/files/head:/webapp-twitter/
 although that's a really old version of it
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 Jyoti: … Anbox is Great! Will be Wonderful in the ubuntu touch …  :-)
 Jyoti: … I used anbox to install many android apks like aquiz in my linux mint xfce. Working very well
 Hello ive got a question  … How could I make the :  … Sudo apt-get update …  work on my phone
 It's always give me errors
 Should I do something
 @onajjar, update sources.list
 vivid is end of life
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 so repos moved
 Um
 The newest update fixed that
 @dohbee, Thanks
 BTW Telegram outage in Europe it seems...
 Since 0:38 but now it works
 yeah just as "read-after" note ^^
 @KrisJacewicz, Thank you
 It will be too much work to "port" EFL toolkit to ubports  ?