[00:00] <ghostnik11> oerheks, i love this little tablet pc with ubuntu on it and i just installed android x86 with nougat and the only problem their is sound doesn't work. i feel like i only need a few things to work to have it as the perfect machine
[00:01] <ghostnik11> oerheks, in terms of ubuntu side, i just need to get brightness adjustment working so that i can save the battery from losing energy so fast b/c brightness is turned to the max
[00:06] <DroidLinux93> hi can i get some help please
[00:07] <DroidLinux93> I'm trying to run Steam on 16.04.3 LTS fresh install and i have having issues getting it to run.
[00:07] <DroidLinux93> i even tried to run steam in the terminal and i get these messages https://paste.ubuntu.com/26268059/
[00:08] <ghostnik11> oerheks, i found a ctl script from debian site for asus t100ta, can i just run it. just want your opinion
[00:11] <ghostnik11> so i have this script: https://pastebin.com/Vj5PkieU and i want to know if i just make it executable and run it like a sh file, can it work for me
[00:11] <DroidLinux93> Nevermind about the errors..
[00:12] <DroidLinux93> found a tutorial online that made it launch with the updater
[00:12] <ghostnik11> the only thing though, it is xandr, the script uses xandr which i believe isn't the same as sh
[00:21] <videocall> what are the minimum system requirements to sustain a  videocall using GNU Ring? I am talking about RAM, CPU, graphics card memory and the like
[00:23] <DroidLinux93> I went full linux today.. Best decision ever..
[00:24] <DroidLinux93> Just takes a little more work to get some things working it seems.. Windows broke on me for the last time >:)
[00:25] <implite> welcome to linux :) DroidLinux93
[00:25] <xalen>  DroidLinux93 good to know, enjoy it!
[00:26] <implite> Wine works great anyways from what i can tell for any of the windows things i need to do
[00:26] <rypervenche> DroidLinux93: Welcome :)
[00:27] <implite> and if i cant use wine then i use a vm on top of my linux with windows 7 installed ;)
[00:31] <timeless> i'm trying to write a systemd.service file to get a shell script to run once a service starts... does anyone have a pointer? I've tried using unit.wants/unit.after + install.wantedby -- but even though the service appears in a .wants/ directory for its dependency, it isn't being started...
[00:32] <timeless> (if i manually start the service, it runs...)
[00:35] <implite> I tried to make a listener script in python that could look for a service running but i forgot where i left off on it
[00:36] <implite> i made one that works for key presses however
[00:36] <Ziberius> ups
[00:36] <Ziberius> i mean hello
[01:02] <gambl0re> hello?
[01:02] <ishmial> hi
[01:03] <gambl0re> i want to install ubuntu on a usb
[01:03] <rahulprodev> hi, I want to use linux or ubuntu in windows by virtual machine, Anyone suggest me about this, I'll go with ubuntu or any other linux distro?
[01:03] <gambl0re> is this a safe way to run ubuntu or is it recommene to install it directly onto my machine or does it work the same?
[01:04] <implite> gambl0re take a look at multiwriter
[01:04] <gambl0re> whats that
[01:04] <ishmial> gambl0re: I would put Ubuntu on a USB and play around with it, before I installed it.
[01:04] <implite> so you can write an iso to the usb
[01:05] <gambl0re> i dont want to just play around with it, i want to actually do work on it
[01:05] <implite> ah
[01:05] <ishmial> You'll need to install it from a USB, the same way.
[01:05] <gambl0re> i think you dont understand what im trying to say
[01:05] <oerheks> put an iso on usb, boot from it, insert usb2, install on it
[01:05] <ishmial> Just instead of selecting the "Try it out" option, you'll pick "Install Ubuntu" from the boot menu
[01:06] <implite> yes what oerheks said
[01:06] <gambl0re> so i can install ubuntu on my usb and run it as if its a regular os?
[01:07] <gambl0re> i already have the ubuntu 14 iso image
[01:07] <implite> you can use a use as a hhd yes
[01:07] <implite> usb*
[01:07] <oerheks> it would be slow, but works
[01:07] <gambl0re> why slow?
[01:07] <gambl0re> and slow in what way
[01:07] <ishmial> It's limited by the transfer speed of the USB
[01:08] <gambl0re> because im running ubuntu inside a vm on my windows machine and its also so slow. so if its going to be the same then theres no point of me doing this
[01:08] <gambl0re> im not talking about transfer speeds, inside my vm it just runs laggy
[01:08] <gambl0re> just to do basic tasks
[01:09] <implite> there are some 128mbs+ thumb drives but expensive i think
[01:10] <gambl0re> i have 32gb
[01:10] <gambl0re> should be enough for me
[01:10] <ishmial> There you go
[01:11] <implite> mbps*
[01:11] <gambl0re> but will it be slow?
[01:11] <gambl0re> in terms of doing day to day tasks
[01:11] <gambl0re> browsing, documents etc..
[01:11] <implite> use a program to test your transfer rate on your usb thumbdrive
[01:12] <implite> from a copy test
[01:12] <ishmial> Probably. The OS will only use the space on the USB drive, for swap space, and the transfer rate on your USB ports will also determine speed
[01:12] <implite> if you get above 30mbps then thats good
[01:12] <gambl0re> implite, you're not listening. i dont care about transfer speeds
[01:12] <gambl0re> i just care if it can handle day to day tasks
[01:14] <implite> many reads and writes will ware down the drive
[01:14] <gambl0re> ware?
[01:15] <implite> thumb drives only have so many writes i think
[01:15] <implite> and rewrites
[01:15] <kenrin> It works but so slow it isn't worth doing
[01:16] <ishmial> lol
[01:16] <Dagronmaster> I have a hard time believing that running from a USB drive on the same machine would be any faster than in the VM
[01:16] <gambl0re> why do people install ubuntu on usb's then?
[01:16] <kenrin> People install the livecd onto usb fairly often,  not install ubuntu directly onto usb
[01:16] <Dagronmaster> gambl0re:  allows you to turn any machine that can boot from USB into a linux box
[01:17] <gambl0re> whats the difference between a live cd and installing ubuntu directly?
[01:17] <kenrin> VM is still faster assuming you got the VM tools installed
[01:17] <gambl0re> kenrin, it's slow as shit inside my vm
[01:17] <kenrin> live cd will be in the same state,  anything you install will get erased on shutdown
[01:17] <gambl0re> and i gave it all the specs
[01:18] <kenrin> In what program,  hyper-v ?
[01:18] <gambl0re> virtualbox
[01:18] <timeless> implite: fwiw, you wanted `wear` not `ware`
[01:19] <implite> i know im a tard...
[01:19] <implite> haha
[01:19] <kenrin> Virtualbox is pretty slow regardless.  But you got to make sure you install guest additions and enable 3d if you doing anything graphical
[01:19] <timeless> gambl0re: people tend to use usb sticks because they're trying to rescue a system (which may not have a dvd reader / they may not want to carry a big fragile disk)
[01:20] <gambl0re> implite, implight isnt too bright
[01:20] <gambl0re> that rhymes too
[01:20] <timeless> or because for some stupid reason they think they can trust someone else's computer more if they boot from a stick
[01:20] <timeless> ... that there's no way for the hardware itself to be evil
[01:20] <wedgie> *shrug* it does take out one layer of potential evil
[01:21] <gambl0re> so should i just avoid installing ubuntu onto a usb?
[01:21] <timeless> true, but if you're going to be paranoid, bring your own computer
[01:21] <gambl0re> cause im in the process of getting my usb formatted
[01:21] <timeless> gambl0re: the question is: what problem are you trying to solve?
[01:21] <ishmial> ^
[01:21] <Dagronmaster> gambl0re:  if you've got the time to try it, it won't hurt you
[01:21] <timeless> if you want to test a system out, then /normally/ virtualbox is good enough for testing
[01:22] <gambl0re> timeless, ubuntu runs slow as fuck inside my vm and it's hard for me to do my work. so thats why i want to instsall on a usb to see if this resolves the issue
[01:22] <timeless> if for some reason virtualbox doesn't give you enough of the hardware to test, and you want to test, then maybe ubuntu on a stick will let you test more hardware
[01:22] <timeless> gambl0re: have you properly configured virtualbox?
[01:22] <wedgie> gambl0re: can you be more specific as to what "slow" means? Does it take a long time to boot, programs take a long time to launch, what?
[01:22] <gambl0re> timeless, i've probably read every single guide, blog, youtube video, asked in this channel, #vbox and nothing has worked
[01:22] <timeless> (installed vbox extension, guest additions, selected the right hardware modes for things, configured 2d/3d accel)
[01:23] <kenrin> Oh yeah virtualbox has that extension pack you got to install too don't they
[01:23] <timeless> you want the extension pack
[01:23] <timeless> yes.
[01:23] <gambl0re> wedgie, booting is fine but just using ubuntu is slow
[01:24] <gambl0re> wedgie, opening programs, browsing, typing etc...
[01:24] <timeless> gambl0re: how many cpus does your computer have? and how many did you give to vbox?
[01:24] <gambl0re> wedgie, i can still do shit but it's just not responsive
[01:24] <timeless> did you enable 3d accel/2d accel? did you give it enough memory to handle that?
[01:24] <implite> how much ram did you give the vbox?
[01:25] <gambl0re> timeless, this is ONE of the guides i tried following
[01:25] <gambl0re> http://blog.jdpfu.com/2012/09/14/solution-for-slow-ubuntu-in-virtualbox
[01:25] <kenrin> You used a guide from five years ago ?
[01:25] <timeless> ^
[01:25] <gambl0re> people in 2017 were still recommending that guide
[01:25] <gambl0re> i've read it in message boards
[01:26] <gambl0re> can you take a look at that guide and tell me anything you disagree with?
[01:26] <timeless> Base memory – 768 to 3.5 GB depending on your desires. Always leave at least 1GB for the hostOS
[01:26] <timeless> ^ ??
[01:26] <kenrin> Well just a quick glance it looks like a headless guide considering they tell you to disable GPU
[01:27] <timeless> how much memory does your computer have and how much did you give the vm?
[01:27] <gambl0re> timeless, i have 8gb ram. i gave my vm 4
[01:27] <timeless> what's your host os?
[01:27] <gambl0re> win7
[01:27]  * timeless frowns
[01:27] <timeless> what's your goal?
[01:27] <gambl0re> nevermind
[01:27] <timeless> are you considering replacing win7 w/ ubuntu?
[01:27] <timeless> if so, then, yes, set up a stick, try it out
[01:28] <gambl0re> what do you mean whats my goal?
[01:28] <gambl0re> my goal is to run ubuntu smoothly.
[01:28] <timeless> so... simplest solution to that is buy a computer from 2016 that has ubuntu
[01:28] <gambl0re> ok. thanks for your help
[01:28] <timeless> (heck, from 2015 or 2014)
[01:29] <timeless> there are clearly other constraints to your goal
[01:29] <implite> Bah lol... now thats funny
[01:29] <implite> zzz
[01:29] <timeless> do you want to be able to run win7 after using ubuntu for a bit or not?
[01:29] <timeless> if you're going to replace win7 w/ ubuntu, then using a stick to test before doing a complete conversion makes sense
[01:29] <timeless> if you're planning to dual boot, then a stick makes sense
[01:30] <gambl0re> all i need to know if you can help me get ubuntu to work smoothly inside a vm or if its better to boot from a usb
[01:30] <timeless> it's better to get a new old computer...
[01:30] <Dagronmaster> Those may not be the only two possibilities
[01:30] <wedgie> gambl0re: what everyone is trying to tell you is that answer depends entirely on your goal
[01:30] <gambl0re> wedgie, goal for what?
[01:30] <gambl0re> i dont understand these vague questions
[01:31] <timeless> gambl0re: 10 weeks from now, how do you envision using this computer?
[01:31] <timeless> will you be using ubuntu on it 24-7?
[01:31] <gambl0re> no
[01:31] <timeless> will you be using win7 on it 24-7?
[01:31] <gambl0re> i will use win7 primarily
[01:31] <gambl0re> i will use ubuntu for just my web development work
[01:31] <gambl0re> strictly just for that
[01:32] <timeless> ok... that's a good start
[01:32] <kenrin> Do  you need a GUI for that ?
[01:32] <gambl0re> yea it would be nice if there was gui
[01:32] <timeless> what tools in ubuntu do you plan to need?
[01:32] <Dagronmaster> gambl0re:  what are the specifications (RAM/CPU/Disk) of the host computer.   How much RAM/CPU/Disk are you provisioning for the VM?   When you say "it's running slowly", what do you mean, exactly?  Do you have any numbers?  Have you installed guest additions on the VM?
[01:32] <gambl0re> i just need to a browser (chrome), a text editor (sublime text), terminal
[01:32] <gambl0re> thats it
[01:33] <timeless> does chrome need to be in the vm?
[01:33] <timeless> or could it run in win7 talking to the vm?
[01:33] <gambl0re> timeless, yes it does
[01:33] <timeless> why?
[01:33] <timeless> heck. none of the things you mentioned really need a gui or even ubuntu
[01:33] <gambl0re> well why not
[01:33] <timeless> overhead. boiling oceans
[01:34]  * timeless isn't sure how to explain this
[01:34] <implite> agreed
[01:34] <implite> :P
[01:34] <kenrin> I just ssh into a VM to code
[01:34] <timeless> it all depends on your goals
[01:34]  * timeless is w/ kenrin 
[01:34] <gambl0re> its easier to do web dev related stuff in a linux enviroment
[01:34] <timeless> really?
[01:34]  * timeless looks at mbp
[01:34] <gambl0re> i dont want to get into the details
[01:34]  * timeless looks @home w10 computer w/ putty (and the new ms openssh)
[01:34] <kenrin> Really depends on the language,  anything .NET sucks in linux
[01:35] <timeless> gambl0re: so, none of what you've mentioned provides a particularly good argument for a linux gui
[01:35] <timeless> sublime and chrome will run perfectly well in w7
[01:35] <gambl0re> Dagronmaster, i3, 8gb ram, 320gb hd
[01:35] <timeless> if all you need is ssh w/ ubuntu in a vm
[01:36] <timeless> then setting it up to be a nice headless thing should work fine in 2gb of ram
[01:36] <timeless> (16.04 LTS claims it'll survive in 1/2 GB, and i believe that's true)
[01:37] <wedgie> headless? I'll bet it would do fine with a lot less
[01:37] <timeless> the SSH and SFTP and Apache / nginx / php performance should be perfectly fine w/ that set up
[01:37] <timeless> wedgie: sure
[01:37] <Dagronmaster> gambl0re:  Okay, how much RAM/CPU and disk are you allocating to the VM?
[01:37] <implite> he said 4mb
[01:37] <implite> oops
[01:37] <Dagronmaster> ah
[01:37] <timeless> fwiw, `i3` is a pretty meaningless answer to `cpu`
[01:37] <implite> gb
[01:37] <Dagronmaster> Well, I was mostly interested in RAM
[01:38] <gambl0re> 2gm ram, 2cpu's
[01:38] <gambl0re> im actually giving it 4gb ram
[01:38] <gambl0re> not 2
[01:38] <timeless> intel's cpu lines have been around too long for a short name to mean much
[01:38]  * Dagronmaster wonders if the windows boxs is thrashing when the VM runs
[01:38] <Ishmial> It is
[01:39] <timeless> a modern X cpu might be much better than an ancient Y cpu even if the line for Y is ostensibly better than the line for X
[01:39] <timeless> anyway.. anyone want to help me write a systemd .service file ? :)
[01:39] <gambl0re> ?
[01:40] <luxio> I'm trying to run Minecraft, how do I fix this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26268503/
[01:40] <timeless> gambl0re: your problem isn't a problem if you make sure your vm is configured as server instead of desktop and is properly headless
[01:40] <gambl0re> so what are you suggesting i do?
[01:41] <gambl0re> is there anything i can do they way it currently is or are you still advising me to buy a new computer?
[01:42] <kenrin> service files are simple ya don't need help
[01:42] <timeless> gambl0re: i can't tell from the "solution" thing -- what kind of "ubuntu" did you install?
[01:42] <gambl0re> ubuntu 14
[01:42] <timeless> i'd try a new vm and make sure the installer i used was "server" instead of "desktop"
[01:43] <timeless> and make sure not to set up a gui / display manager...
[01:43] <timeless> kenrin: yeah, well
[01:43] <DroidLinux93> aaah..
[01:43] <DroidLinux93> My audio is nothing but static :/
[01:44] <wedgie> luxio: how old is your JRE? what's the output of ''java -version'' ?
[01:45] <luxio> wedgie: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26268521/
[01:48] <implite> Oracle Java for my mindcraft and not open jdk
[01:49] <implite> minecraft*
[01:50] <luxio> How do I install oracle java then
[01:52] <TDO|Aquina> Do you guys know how much within X/Ubuntu (package-wise) 10/12/14/16 depends on AMD's 3DNow! technology?
[01:52] <TDO|Aquina> Reaseon is, that AMD discontinues its 3DNow technology and the usual tools like apt-cache, various searches and the Ubuntu package web search indicate a very low usage of this CPU extension.
[01:52] <TDO|Aquina> I tried https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=3dnow&mode=filename&suite=trusty&arch=any which is not conclusive though.
[01:53] <TDO|Aquina> #ubuntu-motu sent me here, btw.
[01:53] <TDO|Aquina> I read somewhere modern AMD cpus will try SSE-pipe when 3DNow is not available. Can someone confirm that?
[01:54] <implite> I dont remember much software that required 3dnow
[01:55] <timeless> wasn't it dead in 2010? https://www.bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-retires-3dnow/1/
[01:57] <incog88> quick question id like to install an older libboost library then the current one installed on ubuntu server xenial specifically 1.54 how do i got about this
[01:58] <incog88> ive tried compiling etc im just not doing it right
[01:58] <incog88> is it possible to have two versions?
[01:58] <timeless> kinda depends what you're trying to do
[01:59] <timeless> you can certainly manually extract the files from an older version and do various stuff w/ it
[01:59] <timeless> in general, it's probably not a great idea
[01:59] <incog88> run a crypto wallet on it that i need for a node server
[01:59] <incog88> its using the old libs
[01:59] <incog88> older*
[01:59] <timeless> and it doesn't like a current version of the libs?
[01:59] <incog88> not at all
[01:59] <timeless> (when i dealt w/ old versions of things, i generally used sandboxes of various sorts)
[02:00] <incog88> how do you sandbox? kind of defeats my purposes a litle
[02:00] <s1bravo> 6668
[02:01] <implite> ya i always code in a vm or sandbox
[02:01] <timeless> it depends, sometimes i used scratchbox(1/2), sometimes i used zones, sometimes i use lxc/lxd, sometimes actual vms
[02:01] <incog88> this is a vps i just didnt want to use 14.04
[02:01] <timeless> or bare chroots
[02:02] <timeless> but, in general i'd be pretty surprised if the thing couldn't work w/ a newer boost
[02:02] <incog88> yeah i kept getting an error requesting specific boost version
[02:03] <incog88> libboost_system.so.1.54.0 whereas 1.58 was installed
[02:03] <incog88> i tried a cp but that created issues with the code seems like the newer boost brakes this app
[02:03] <timeless> *breaks
[02:03] <incog88> haha yeah sorry long night
[02:04] <incog88> frustrating as i know this wouldnt be an issue with other wallets but whoever programmed did this did it with their feet
[02:04] <incog88> programmed it*
[02:05] <timeless> so, it looks like 54 would be in trusty (14.04)
[02:05] <incog88> looks like im going to 14.04 LTS
[02:05] <timeless> i'd probably try a chroot of some sort w/ trusty
[02:05] <incog88> yeah
[02:05] <timeless> ubuntu's lxc system is probably the easiest approach
[02:05] <TDO|Aquina> AMD Fusion/HSA processors starting 2011/2012 were the first to exclude 3DNow!
[02:06] <timeless> https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/ubuntu-how-tos/setup-linux-container-with-lxc-on-ubuntu-16-04-14-04.html <- something like that
[02:06] <timeless> (ymmv)
[02:06] <timeless> my view is: the host os should be new+secure
[02:07] <incog88> you know what i'll try re-installing 14.04 see how that pans out and hope for the best and then if i have to use containers i will, i dont have much experience with ubuntu lxc
[02:07] <timeless> if some bad software needs some old stuff, create a sandbox for the old software inside the good software
[02:07] <incog88> yeah i agree right now i need a poc on this and if my setup works ill migrate to a new vm little by little
[02:08] <timeless> technically, trusty has until april '19, so you have time if you go that way
[02:08] <timeless> good luck
[02:08]  * timeless returns to service hell for a few minutes
[02:08] <incog88> hahaha thanks man
[02:10]  * timeless sighs
[02:11] <timeless> turns out that spelling counts
[02:12]  * timeless had a 2 letter transposition in the service file
[02:14] <implite> I forgot how to spell years ago lol... Did you find a solution to your service thing timeless?
[02:15] <timeless> implite: that was the solution
[02:15] <timeless> I had WantedBy=tyop.service
[02:15] <implite> ah nice i have not tried to work with any of that stuff yet ;)
[02:16] <implite> im interested however
[02:17] <timeless> hrm, no
[02:18] <timeless> well, at the very least, that was a bug which wasn't helping
[02:18] <implite> I hear shell scripts can be fun to mess with
[02:19] <timeless> the shell script i have is about as simple as can be
[02:19] <timeless> (cat /path/to/FOO > ~bar/FOO)
[02:20] <timeless> it's just a matter of properly convincing this thing to run the script for me :-(
[02:21] <DroidLinux93> My computer uses realtek 887 audio and i keep having static issues on the Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS desktop.. any ideas?
[02:31] <shalok> Where does cups-pdf actually put the created PDF files?
[02:43] <gambl0re> how do i know which partition is my usb stick that im using to boot ubuntu? https://i.imgur.com/wh8wJp4.jpg
[02:44] <timeless> ok, it seems that the key was indeed not having a typo :-)
[02:49] <Dagronmaster> gambl0re:  Given that the other devices have NTFS filesystems on them, it's pretty likely that the highlighted partition is the boot partition for ubuntu
[02:50] <gambl0re> it's not...it's my micro usb
[02:50] <gambl0re> the micro usb is 64giga
[02:51] <gambl0re> the usb stick i used to install ubuntu on is only 32
[02:53] <gambl0re> anyone?
[02:56] <gambl0re> one at a time...please
[03:02] <forkup> it doesn't appear the device you're looking for was recognized
[03:03] <gambl0re> forkup, ?
[03:04] <gambl0re> but i'm using the usb stick to boot ubuntu
[03:05] <akkili> I need a shell script, my End goal for script is to filter all the API’s responding above 3 seconds.  Currently I am using this script, but it is not a streamlined and create multiple file.  #!/bin/bash  cat /data/httpd/apiv2.vt.com-access_log | awk '{ print $15 }' | cut -d \? -f1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tr -d '**' | tr -d '/' > /tmp/apiv2.vt.com-access_log-dec.txt  cat /tmp/apiv2.vt.com-access_log-dec.txt | awk '$2 >= "3000000"
[03:07] <forkup> ah...well sda is a hard drive so that only leaves mmcblk0 using the process of elination as Dagronmaster did above
[03:08] <forkup> elimination
[03:08] <Dagronmaster> gambl0re:   Open a console window and type 'df -h'
[03:08] <akkili> can anyone help me with above script
[03:08] <gambl0re> in windows?
[03:08] <Dagronmaster> in ubuntu
[03:08] <akkili> in ubuntu
[03:08] <gambl0re> ok
[03:08] <akkili> i need that script
[03:08] <gambl0re> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[03:08] <gambl0re> none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[03:08] <gambl0re> udev            2.0G  4.0K  2.0G   1% /dev
[03:08] <gambl0re> tmpfs           396M  968K  395M   1% /run
[03:08] <gambl0re> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[03:09] <gambl0re> none            2.0G   76K  2.0G   1% /run/shm
[03:10] <gambl0re> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e9b9bd300808886f10fb5a5dd5a46b6b
[03:11] <gambl0re> i dont understand what it's so hard to install ubuntu on a usb
[03:11] <Ishmial> Is there a way to run the UserBenchmark.com benchmarks
[03:11] <gambl0re> it should be bing bang boom
[03:11] <Ishmial> I think that's because no one seems to understand why you would want to
[03:11] <Ishmial> Like...the installation you are running currently, is a live Ubuntu environment
[03:12] <gambl0re> google tell me that im not the only that wants to install ubuntu on a usb...
[03:12] <gambl0re> so it's not like what i'm doing is out of the norm
[03:13] <Ishmial> That's the thing, though. You have it "installed" on the USB disk you're booted to.
[03:13] <Ishmial> The ISO is on it, it boots into a live environment.
[03:14] <Ishmial> Trying to boot to USB, so you can "install" a live Ubuntu environment to another, separate USB drive is redundant.
[03:14] <gambl0re> ok so wtf do i do. how do i get a full ubuntu installation on my usb?
[03:14] <kenrin> You got to load an iso in a VM,  passthrough the usb then install
[03:14] <kenrin> You can do it outside a VM but you'll be fixing grub|efi afterwards
[03:14] <gambl0re> ive got my ubuntu vm loaded right now
[03:15] <forkup> use unetbootin\
[03:15] <kenrin> unetbootin won't do it
[03:15] <forkup> i have one?
[03:15] <kenrin> He wants the install on a usb,  not liveusb
[03:15] <gambl0re> can someone send me a pm and give step by step instructions.
[03:15] <gambl0re> i dont know what the f you guys want me to do
[03:16] <gambl0re> please. i know it cant be this difficult. i have the iso image. i have the usb. i have the vm ready to go
[03:16] <gambl0re> just tell me what i have to do
[03:17] <Dagronmaster> I'd boot a VM using a live CD, attach the USB to the running VM, then install to the USB drive.
[03:18] <Dagronmaster> That's as step-by-step as I can get without trying to do it myself
[03:20] <ghostnik11> okay i have a driver, where is it suppose to be placed in ubuntu 16.04
[03:21] <gambl0re> ok Dragonmaster, i'll see if you are correct
[03:21] <kenrin> gambl0re: https://www.computersnyou.com/85/install-linux-on-usb-drive-using-virtualbox/
[03:40] <eraserpencil> I am confused. Why cant I set my time and date according to Singapore city
[03:43] <Dagronmaster> eraserpencil:  sorry for my ignorance, but does Singapore have more than one time zone?
[03:44] <Dagronmaster> eraserpencil: I ask because there's a TZ file for Singapore, but not Singapore City
[03:44] <eraserpencil> it's the same
[03:45] <Dagronmaster> Do you have the tzdata package installed?
[03:45] <eraserpencil> yea
[03:47] <eraserpencil> I remember having configured to Singapore's timezone before. I'm on a fresh install but Singapore is not showing up in SystemSetting > Time and Date
[03:48] <eraserpencil> fresh install of 16..04
[03:49] <Dagronmaster> can you select it when you run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'?    You'll have to select Asia first and then Singapore
[03:51] <eraserpencil> yes
[03:51] <eraserpencil> thank yyou. it was odd
[04:27] <WifiNetworksDevi> Hi
[04:27] <van7hu> hi
[04:27] <WifiNetworksDevi> I'd really appreciate some assistance
[04:28] <Bashing-om> !ask | WifiNetworksDevi
[04:28] <WifiNetworksDevi> hehehe
[04:29] <WifiNetworksDevi> Ok.. My bad. I'd like to tether my phone to use my computer's internet via USB
[04:39] <Ishmial> You want to set your phone up to use the internet connection that your PC uses?
[04:39] <Ishmial> Through USB?
[04:40] <Ishmial> Or are you trying to connect your phone to your PC, and use the cellular data connection to connect your PC to the internet?
[04:42] <gambl0re> my usb isnt being detected in ubuntu
[04:42] <WifiNetworksDevi> Android phone to use the internet that PC uses, via USB cable
[04:45] <Ishmial> WifiNetworksDevi: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997350
[04:46] <Ishmial> It may be device dependent how you get to the settings on the phone, but that's a good place to start
[04:46] <Ishmial> You're trying to reverse tether an android device to a PC running Ubuntu, if you want to Google some.
[04:46] <WifiNetworksDevi> Tried that already. Confusing for me
[04:47] <Ishmial> What device do you have/
[04:47] <Ishmial> Mobile device
[04:47] <WifiNetworksDevi> Neon Kicka
[04:50] <luxio> Anyone here who could identify the file manager being used in this photo? https://i.imgur.com/mqaa3cp.jpg
[04:50] <luxio> And/or WM + Theme?
[04:51] <luxio> I'd say it was designed specifically for the show, but there's also legitimate programs there like htop and vim. Also DD-WRT source on the right.
[04:52] <Ishmial> WifiNetworksDevi: Do you know what version of Android it's on?
[04:52] <WifiNetworksDevi> About phone => Android version 5.1
[04:56] <Ishmial> hmmm
[05:00] <leftyfb> WifiNetworksDevi: why not use your ubuntu pc to setup an ad-hoc wifi for the android phone to connect to?
[05:07] <WifiNetworksDevi> Wifi gives me crazy headaches
[05:09] <leftyfb> uh
[05:09] <leftyfb> no
[05:13] <WifiNetworksDevi> So does wife lol
[05:25] <ritab> just installed xice on old laptop. love it.
[05:30] <WifiNetworksDevi> How do I find network interface in android phone?
[05:31] <CarlFK> imac from 2006, Processor Name:	Intel Core Duo - 32bit.. anyone know what installer I can put on a usb stick so the mac will see it as bootable?
[05:31] <luxio> WifiNetworksDevi: have you tried ifconfig
[05:32] <CarlFK> ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-i386.iso  doesn't show up as bottable device.
[05:32] <WifiNetworksDevi> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28857402/reverse-tethering-of-several-android-devices-via-usb
[05:32] <WifiNetworksDevi> Im on stage 8
[05:32] <WifiNetworksDevi> Device not found
[05:33] <WifiNetworksDevi> adb shell busybox ifconfig
[06:09] <hipitihop> I have an Edimax Bluetooth/Wifi dongle but can't get the bluetooth going. lsusb shows "Bus 001 Device 005: ID 7392:a611 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd" and various bits in "dmesg | grep -i blue" any best practice to get this going ?
[06:15] <omer> hello
[07:30] <Guest33096> test
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> Guest33096: best not join irc as root
[07:44] <h31nr1chhyd3> Test
[07:45] <leptone> is there an easy way to check for a process running on a specific port `ps -p 3000`
[07:45] <leptone> to see what (if anything) is running on port 3000
[07:45] <explosive> leptone: lsof -i :3000
[07:46] <carverh>  ^
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> h31nr1chhyd3: best not join irc as root
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> leptone: nmap can also help with services/ports
[07:53] <h31nr1chhyd3> Tst
[07:54] <adder> passed
[07:56] <welcomeparty> Hi Guys, how can i check whether a particular package is available to perform update?
[07:58] <ducasse> welcomeparty: 'apt policy packagename' will tell you which version is installed and if a later one is available
[08:02] <h31nr1chhyd3> apt list --upgradable | grep <packagename>
[08:02] <h31nr1chhyd3> quit
[08:04] <andrew_spark> Hi)
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> andrew_spark: welcome, what can we do for you?
[08:09] <jack> 123
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> jack: can we help you?
[08:27] <xbox> hello
[08:28] <welcomeparty> I got freaking weird error on my ubuntu 16.04 wich happened to be freezing at I/O coming from any I/O devices(mouse,keyboard), i did upgrade my kernel in hoping to fix the issue, but it still happens anyway. Any opinion on this?
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: is your system up to date?
[08:29] <welcomeparty> the temporary fix was to change to another tty, by pressing ctrl+alt f[1..n]
[08:29] <welcomeparty> and get back to my previous graphical tty
[08:29] <welcomeparty> then the screen not freezing anymore
[08:29] <welcomeparty> damn weird
[08:29] <welcomeparty> absolutely
[08:30] <welcomeparty> i update it daily by my own cron
[08:30] <welcomeparty> nothing to worry about whether my system is up to date
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: this kernel?
[08:30] <welcomeparty> nah
[08:30] <welcomeparty> ahh yes
[08:30] <welcomeparty> that was my original kernel
[08:30] <welcomeparty> i got 3 installed
[08:31] <welcomeparty> 4.4, 4.6, 4.11
[08:31] <welcomeparty> now i am running on 4.11
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: can you go try on 4.4 please?
[08:31] <welcomeparty> all packages are updated
[08:31] <welcomeparty> i did man
[08:31] <welcomeparty> the issue was the same
[08:31] <welcomeparty> that was my first diagnosal
[08:31] <welcomeparty> not really helping
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: anything usefull in your dmesg?
[08:31] <welcomeparty> i was thinking that some libs are gone
[08:32] <welcomeparty> do you have an idea what to grep?
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: did you add external ppa's of any kind to your system?
[08:32] <welcomeparty> it would be cool
[08:32] <welcomeparty> yes
[08:32] <welcomeparty> i add several unknown ppa
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: no, hastebin the whole dmesg plz
[08:32] <welcomeparty> for my own experimental curiosity
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: we cant really support ppa's, as they can harm/scramble your system
[08:33] <welcomeparty> i agreed
[08:33] <welcomeparty> and i was told, but i kinda stuborn
[08:33] <welcomeparty> anyway
[08:33] <welcomeparty> i will give you my dmesg
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: i reccomend you try the issue youi experience on a clean ubuntu 16.04.3 (liveusb)
[08:35] <welcomeparty> anyway
[08:35] <welcomeparty> my dmesg has no logs yet
[08:35] <welcomeparty> maybe my latest kernel not quite writing any logs yet
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: try syslog
[08:35] <welcomeparty> you want all?
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: yes plz
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> hastebin.com
[08:42] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: http://termbin.com/0u3f
[08:42] <welcomeparty> thats my syslog
[08:47] <welcomeparty> well, damn weird, it happens in every around 30 minutes then i need to change to another tty
[08:47] <welcomeparty> i dont think i should update my kernel again
[08:48] <welcomeparty> hmmmm......
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: are you on gnome shell?
[08:52] <JoshuaD> I want to download the 32bit version of java for a project. Is there a place I can do that with a web interface?
[08:52] <JoshuaD> (rather than having to install a 32bit virtualbox image0
[08:53] <JoshuaD> nvm found it
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: alot of gnome-session errors at your syslog end
[08:56] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: http://termbin.com/v590 ; this is my kernel error message after i filtered out
[08:56] <welcomeparty> should i update my gnome or what?
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: what i think is you have too many things going on, on your system and its time for a clean install
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: i dont see IO errors, but logs are kinda messy
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: you had ubuntu-gnome 16.04 from the start?
[08:58] <new> REGISTER pass@1234 kesimkoraja@gmail.com
[08:59] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: yes, i was installing from the start AFAIK
[08:59] <welcomeparty> i think it was last year since it was released
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> new: better change password now
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: try with a clean ubuntu-gnome, see if you still got lags/IO
[09:02] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by clean?
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: clean install, or test from a liveusb
[09:02] <welcomeparty> if it was smooth, then what?
[09:03] <welcomeparty> cause i am sure 200% it will be smooth
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: then that would mean, your system was scrambled too much
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: too many factors going on, other kernels, external ppa's etc
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: if you dont want a new install, then try remove your ppa's, cleanout system with bleachbit, load default xenial kernel
[09:05] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: i only want to fix the issue specifically, which means i need to invest more time to make it neatly configured
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: the problem is when users start messing with their system their own way instead of the ubuntu way, its hard to localize specific issues
[09:06] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: yeah, need to track the PPA
[09:06] <welcomeparty> i think it goes to my sources.list
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: thats why i would reccomend, try to set as vanilla as you can
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | welcomeparty
[09:06] <welcomeparty> does it easily idenified if there is ppa repo there
[09:06] <welcomeparty> ?
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: try to recall what you added? chrome? tor?themes?
[09:07] <explosive> welcomeparty: ppa's should be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[09:07] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: nice
[09:07] <welcomeparty> ppa purge?
[09:07] <welcomeparty> really?
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> yes
[09:07] <welcomeparty> what a nice way
[09:08] <welcomeparty> but why is the ppa kinda messy?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | welcomeparty here's why
[09:08] <welcomeparty> unauthorized software?
[09:08] <welcomeparty> got it
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: it 'can' we a security risk
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> be
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | welcomeparty try also this
[09:10] <welcomeparty> so let me ask again
[09:10] <welcomeparty> logically, i must be few installed ppa softwares in my system, what about the dependencies? is it possible if other non ppa software depend on ppa software?
[09:11] <welcomeparty> will it break eventually? or safe to get rid of?
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: adding ppa's can break your system with dependecie issues, thats why we reccomend not using them
[09:11] <welcomeparty> so my logic is wrong
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: when purging ppa's you can solve dependecies
[09:12] <welcomeparty> alright
[09:12] <welcomeparty> damn PPA
[09:12] <welcomeparty> eventually you be like pain my a**
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: so after all ppa's succesfully out, sudo apt update again to a vanilla ubuntu way
[09:13] <welcomeparty> what is vanilla way man? you full of philosophy
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: vanilla means clean, default
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> a clean ubuntu, without messing from the user
[09:14] <welcomeparty> damn
[09:14] <welcomeparty> sounds cool and well defined
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: your syslog shows you tested,installed all kinds of things
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: so it gets harder to trace a problem also
[09:15] <welcomeparty> wait
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: then, if you sure a clean install would solve, that means you already know what you did..try to reverse that
[09:15] <welcomeparty> i wanna know all the ppas packages installed in it
[09:15] <welcomeparty> how?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: well, we cant possibly know what you added exactly
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: best way is to check your sources.list and recall what you all added
[09:16] <welcomeparty> like 'apt list' would be nice
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: thos ppa url's are easy guessing whats it about most cases
[09:17] <explosive> welcomeparty: try 'tail -v -n+1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*  /etc/apt/sources.list' and pastebin the results
[09:19] <ThoMe> hiho. after upgrade to 17.10 i cant boot. hanging with message edd information not available
[09:19] <ThoMe> any ideas what can I do=?
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> ThoMe: wich ubuntu version did you came from
[09:20] <ThoMe> i think 17.03?
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ThoMe: 17.04 with unity or gnome?
[09:21] <ThoMe> zesty /17.03
[09:21] <ThoMe> no.... no graphic
[09:21] <ThoMe> i can boot with 17.10 and the old kernel
[09:21] <explosive> ThoMe: try using ahci in the bios
[09:21] <ThoMe> kernel 4.8 works fine.
[09:22] <ThoMe> explosive: is a virtual mashine
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> ThoMe: did you have unity or ubuntu-gnome
[09:22] <welcomeparty> lotuspsychje: http://termbin.com/s24l
[09:22] <welcomeparty> that is my whole ppa repo
[09:22] <welcomeparty> damn
[09:22] <welcomeparty> messed up already i guess
[09:22] <explosive> ThoMe: try booting with edd=on and nolapic int he grub kernel line
[09:22] <ThoMe> lotuspsychje: havent unity  / ubuntu-gnome
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: holy smokin lol
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: my guess was right, you need a clean install badly
[09:23] <welcomeparty> damn son
[09:23] <gordonjcp> to be honest, yeah
[09:23] <welcomeparty> some of is was networking simulation tool
[09:23] <gordonjcp> that's starting to look a lot like nuke and pave
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> welcomeparty: your gonna have more working digging out ppa's then a 30min clean install
[09:24] <welcomeparty> surely i will lose some of my programs
[09:24] <explosive> welcomeparty: what's the actual problem you're having?
[09:24] <welcomeparty> but what the hell
[09:24] <explosive> you have 5 ppa's installed btw, they're just repeating
[09:25] <welcomeparty> explosive: freezing frequently
[09:25] <welcomeparty> I/O stopped working
[09:25] <explosive> welcomeparty: does "dmesg" show anything?
[09:25] <welcomeparty> nope
[09:25] <explosive> kern.log ?
[09:25] <explosive> did you run a smart test on the disk?
[09:25] <welcomeparty> my latest kernel not yet logging anything
[09:28] <linocisco> Dear all, Merry X'mas, Happy new year!! hope you all having great time!
[09:29] <welcomeparty> explosive: this is my kern.log http://termbin.com/eo26
[09:29] <welcomeparty> have a look at it
[09:29] <welcomeparty> never run any disk test
[09:30] <linocisco> I have one security related question regarding suspicious activity like Kad activity or Bogon like activity and many others inside out of ubuntu which is detected from PeerGuardian. ClamAV can't detect it
[09:30] <welcomeparty> my whole files are in my current ubuntu, too lazy to install brand new os again
[09:31] <explosive> welcomeparty: try 'sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda'
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> linocisco: clamav is an antivirus, peerguardian more to block traffic from peers
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> linocisco: if you think your affected by intrusion try clamav, rkhunter,snort,lynis
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> root: best not join irc as root, but as user
[09:47] <Guest54401> hi
[09:47] <Guest54401> hello world ::)
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> Guest54401: logout irc and come back as normal user, not root
[09:49] <Guest54401> l
[09:49] <Guest54401> fuck you
[09:49] <tfevan> hiii
[09:49] <tfevan> IRC checking
[09:50] <Guest54401> hello bro
[09:50] <tfevan> hello Guest54401
[09:52] <Guest54401> l ma new in this can you tell to me how using it
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> Guest54401: not swearing would be a good start
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | Guest54401
[09:54] <root_> :#
[09:57] <DevAntoine> Hi
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: welcome, how can we help you?
[10:00] <DevAntoine> I just got a bluetooth mouse which I paired to my laptop but I've got a few issues with it: from time to time the cursor is lagging and when I do not use the mouse it stops responding for a few seconds when I use it again.
[10:00] <DevAntoine> I've saw this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/823316 but I don't know at all what it does.
[10:00] <DevAntoine> Will it solve my issues without side effects?
[10:08] <DevAntoine> Is it possible that the wifi has something related to this issue?
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[10:10] <DevAntoine> and sometimes it freeze for more than 10 seconds it's crazy
[10:10] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: 16.04
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: system up to date to .3?
[10:11] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: .3?
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: check with lsb_release -a please
[10:12] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: yeah, 16.04.3
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: ok great, do you pair bluetooth with blueman?
[10:12] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: yes, the blueman-applet
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: can you hastebin.com us the output of tail -f /var/log/syslog after you disable/enable bluetooth
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: perhaps also catch usefull errors when its freezing
[10:15] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: https://hastebin.com/zuhosisixa.vbs
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: seems like a few errors there
[10:18] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: yeah, I saw that too but I have no idea on how to fix them
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: also an existing bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell-sputnik/+bug/1626538
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: did you upgrade to 16.04 or clean install?
[10:21] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: I can't remember
[10:21] <linocisco> lotuspsychje, clamav can't detect well. The first virus clamAV detected was its installation file tgz tar ball
[10:22] <linocisco> lotuspsychje, rkhunter,snort,lynis are not familiar with me
[10:22] <linocisco> lotuspsychje, i installed peerguardian because I use qbitorrent frequently
[10:24] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: do you know what the command in the following answer does: https://askubuntu.com/a/823316 ?
[10:25] <DevAntoine> oh: "Some devices like the 6235 do include a Bluetooth device in the same card, which may lead into radio conflict. Newer devices (7200 and up) try to solve them intelligently, but it is not the case of older ones."
[10:26] <DevAntoine> How can I know if it's my case?
[10:27] <explosive> DevAntoine: 'lspci -nn' should list the devices and number
[10:28] <DevAntoine> explosive: I'm really not sure: https://hastebin.com/egemomarux.rb
[10:30] <gambl0re> hello?
[10:31] <Paddy_NI> I have added a second ssd to my laptop and formatted it as ext4.  I am wondering how to have it automatically mount and have full read write permissions for my user.
[10:33] <explosive> DevAntoine: maybe this will help, 'lspci -vnn'
[10:33] <Mr_Pan> Paddy_NI, you must edit fstab .. uuid=......     <mount point>  ext4  default etc  ....
[10:33] <alkisg> Paddy_NI: you put it to /etc/fstab, and you create a directory chowned with your user account
[10:34] <Mr_Pan> I.E. UUID=99b04b78-4bb5-4ce7-b599-2a46119804df /media/BACKUP ext4 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[10:34] <Mr_Pan> Paddy_NI,
[10:34] <Paddy_NI> Mr_Pan, Excellent, I have completely forgot how to obtain the uuid
[10:34] <Mr_Pan> blkid
[10:34] <explosive> Paddy_NI: after you mount it, do sudo chown <your user>: -R /mountpoint
[10:35] <Paddy_NI> Thanks guys :-)
[10:35] <mgadott> good day
[10:35] <DevAntoine> explosive: I don't see anything related to bluetooth so I guess it's handled by the wifi chip?
[10:36] <explosive> DevAntoine: yes maybe
[10:37] <explosive> DevAntoine: does 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' show any drivers that can be installed?
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: did your BT work fine on other ubuntu versions?
[10:37] <DevAntoine> but considering that the wifi chip is an Intel 7265, it's stated in the debian wiki that: Some devices like the 6235 do include a Bluetooth device in the same card, which may lead into radio conflict. Newer devices (7200 and up) try to solve them intelligently, but it is not the case of older ones.
[10:37] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: I don't know I just got the mouse
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: ah okay
[10:38] <DevAntoine> explosive: driver   : intel-microcode - distro non-free
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: you could try out a few tests, boot into another kernel version, try another wifi driver, test the guest account
[10:39] <mgadott> please i need help with respect to my wifi, its showing a question mark
[10:39] <mgadott> am a newbie
[10:39] <explosive> DevAntoine: maybe a different kernel will help as lotuspsychje suggested
[10:40] <JDuke256> hi , does aircrack supports ASUS PCE-AC88 ?
[10:40] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje, explosive: seems tedious but thanks for the answer. I guess the simplest solution is to plug back my USB mouse
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: i would also suggest a new !bug
[10:41] <allure> JDuke256: https://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatible_cards
[10:41] <snubs> @JDuke256 check this out https://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatible_cards
[10:41] <allure> snubs: beat ya
[10:42] <snubs> hahaha
[10:42] <snubs> :)
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: creating a bug will add all your system info and logs, that might clear out whats wrong
[10:42] <allure> ;-)
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: you can attach that tail & lspci log to the bug
[10:44] <Paddy_NI> Okay so I created my fstab entry and the drive now automatically mounts, I also performed "sudo chown -R username /media/username/mountpoint" and I still cannot create folders as my user
[10:44] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: ok, thanks
[10:44] <DevAntoine> but before that I'll try to set the bt_coex_active to 0
[10:45] <explosive> Paddy_NI: type 'ls -ld /path/to/mountpoint' and paste here
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: i read that line is added when wifi is slow during BT use
[10:49] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: from other answers it seems that booth bluetooth and wifi could interfere between each other
[10:50] <Paddy_NI> explosive, Thank you, as it turns out I used an uppercase letter for my user name in fstab.  It's all working now :-)
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | explosive
[10:51] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: yes that also, what you found is real
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: let us know if it fixxes ok?
[10:52] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: yeah, I just have to reboot now :D
[10:52] <explosive> Paddy_NI: cool, no problem
[10:52] <DevAntoine> $ uptime: 11:52:27 up 31 days,  2:33,  7 users,  load average: 0,04, 0,23, 0,30
[10:52] <DevAntoine> :D
[10:52] <DevAntoine> wait, what is this "7 users" thing???
[10:53] <Paddy_NI> explosive, Hilariously I have been using Linux as my primary OS since Mandrake 10.1 and I still fail at the basics
[10:54] <explosive> Paddy_NI: :D
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: can you also check wich kernel your on?
[10:57] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: Linux 4.4.0-97-generic #120-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 19 17:28:18 UTC 2017
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: check sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade plz?
[11:00] <silabs> sadsdsa
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> silabs: can we help you?
[11:00] <DevAntoine> lotuspsychje: well, I'm not that far from the latest kernel
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: still be carefull always keep your system up to date
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> !usn | DevAntoine here's why
[11:02] <DevAntoine> ok, thanks, I will. When I'll reboot.
[11:02] <DevAntoine> (which I think will happen today)
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: other kernels can also react different on firmware/drivers
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: good luck testing
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> DevAntoine: found another thread about it also: https://askubuntu.com/questions/881671/bluetooth-mouse-cursor-often-disappears-from-screen-or-just-stuck
[11:25] <linocisco> hi all , I want to remove clamAV which is installed both by tarball and apt. I followed this (https://www.clamav.net/documents/uninstalling-clamav). but still found https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26270897/
[11:33] <w0lf> hey there
[11:33] <w0lf> I have instaleld kubuntu on my machine
[11:34] <w0lf> I am having issue with ssh to a specific server
[11:34] <w0lf> I ahve a dual boot machin I can ss hto my centos server from my windows machine
[11:34] <w0lf> but I cant from my kubuntu
[11:34] <w0lf> it says refused connection
[11:34] <w0lf> I have checked my centos server firewall and even stopped it for some time
[11:35] <w0lf> still not able to ssh just from this specific machine
[11:35] <w0lf> any pointers ?
[11:36] <Neo2> my VPS mysql frequently is hanging, help systemctl restart apache2, How often to do this?
[11:37] <Neo2> I think probably should to create some shell script that will run and restart server one times in hour?
[11:37] <Neo2> once per hour*
[11:38] <Neo2> ??
[11:39] <multifractal> i'd like to install Kxstudio OS for music making. But I'll need to shrink my Ubuntu partition to make space. How should I do this? From inside a live USB environment through GParted?
[11:40] <gordonjcp> multifractal: that would work
[11:41] <gordonjcp> multifractal: bear in mind that the kxstudio install iso is now ancient though
[11:41] <gordonjcp> multifractal: you might be better just adding the kxstudio ppas
[11:41] <Neo2> I'm going install ubuntu again like dual boot, how many memory allocate and can I increase size later?
[11:42] <gordonjcp> Neo2: 10GB is probably a useful minimum
[11:42] <multifractal> gordonjcp: well my full motivation is to have a dedicated partition and OS for music production, since I currently have poor latency. My intention is to install some kind of realtime or low-latency kernel on the KXStudio partition.
[11:42] <gordonjcp> Neo2: you're going to want more
[11:42] <Neo2> gordonjcp: see my windows take 80 gb http://prntscr.com/htbbqn
[11:42] <Neo2> it's without game
[11:43] <Neo2> games I've installed on D disk
[11:43] <OERIAS> Neo2, you can get away with 4 gb
[11:43] <gordonjcp> multifractal: have you tried ubuntustudio?  I prefer kxstudio but ubuntustudio does have an up-to-date base OS :-)
[11:43] <gordonjcp> multifractal: I actually use ubuntustudio on my audio PC with kx repos
[11:43] <multifractal> gordonjcp: no i haven't. is that a better bet? does ubuntu studio come with the low latency kernal by default?
[11:44] <linocisco> one quick question regarding git. I have downloaded using git clone. How to install downloaded items? there is no install.sh or anything inside
[11:44] <Neo2> gordonjcp: seems it's little 10? In guide about debian is written 25GB is good
[11:45] <Neo2> I installed on 20Gb, and can installed all needed apps it's without LAMP , LAMP will take 10Gb and more
[11:45] <Neo2> each site approximately  100mb - 700mb
[11:46] <Neo2> can I extend later ubuntu system disk?
[11:46] <gordonjcp> Neo2: yeah 25GB is plenty unless you're adding a *lot* of additional packages
[11:46] <gordonjcp> Neo2: it's not a lot if you want to fill it with mp3s and videos
[11:46] <gordonjcp> for a desktop install that's way plenty
[11:46] <Neo2> gordonjcp: I'm going to add LAMP, on windows WAMP takes 11 GB now
[11:47] <Neo2> gordonjcp: see I have disk D and can put there sites too?
[11:47] <Neo2> probably 25 enough
[11:47] <gordonjcp> multifractal: it does, but not -rt which you can add as an option
[11:47] <Neo2> gordonjcp: and I can free windows part later and put it to ubuntu?
[11:48] <Neo2> in windows you can put free space to system dick
[11:48] <multifractal> gordonjcp: Should I try it out with the default one to start with, and then try the realtime one if necessary?
[11:48] <linocisco> one quick question regarding git. I have downloaded using git clone. How to install downloaded items? there is no install.sh or anything inside
[11:49] <MonkZ> Hi is it possible to replace a ubuntu server installation from within? Like installing a fresh ubuntu server throwing everything else away
[11:49] <MonkZ> to connect to a machine via ssh
[11:50] <MonkZ> and reinstall it
[11:51] <MonkZ> no physical access to the hdd is given
[11:52] <MonkZ> (situation: virtual machine and the host owner can't or won't provide a installation medium/session)
[12:29] <linocisco> ./autogen.sh: 51: ./autogen.sh: autoreconf: not found
[12:31] <ikonia> you shouldn't not just be blindly typing random install commmands
[12:34] <explosive> linocisco: check the readme of the git
[12:35] <ikonia> before you type anything make sure you understand what the install process will do and make sure you know how to undo it
[12:36] <ikonia> always used packaged software where possible
[12:47] <linocisco> explosive, i am installing snort as per manual step 1 from source https://www.snort.org/#get-started. using cd daq-2.0.6
[12:47] <linocisco> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[12:47] <linocisco> got error here https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26271289/
[12:47] <linocisco> I dont know what to do
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !compile | linocisco
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> linocisco: ikonia just explained you, you should use packages from the ubuntu repos instead of compiling yourself
[12:56] <kala69> Im using debmirror script do make my own xenial mirror. any way to make debmirror to download also "by-hash/SH256/" folders? because netboot will throw errors when installing system.
[13:01] <gambl0re> hello?
[13:01] <gambl0re> hello?
[13:02] <gambl0re> hello?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: can we help you?
[13:02] <gambl0re> hi
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> !ask | gambl0re no need to repeat
[13:03] <gambl0re> my colors are wrong. sorry
[13:03] <gambl0re> wtf
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: please only use this channel for ubuntu questions
[13:06] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje: hi
[13:07] <gambl0re> i  have a question
[13:08] <gambl0re> i have full ubuntu installation on a 32 giga usb stick
[13:08] <gambl0re> will my usb eventually fail becase of constant read/write?
[13:10] <gambl0re> hello?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> gambl0re: installing ubuntu on an usb will always bottleneck on usb speed
[13:12] <gambl0re> lotuspsychje: but its still better than running side a vm
[13:12] <gambl0re> im currently using ubuntu 14 with xfce
[13:13] <gambl0re> ?
[13:13] <XXCoder> why you running os off flash drive anyway
[13:14] <gambl0re> because it was too slow inside the vm
[13:14] <gambl0re> anyone here use Konversation. i dont know why the colors are still wrong
[13:17] <alkisg> gambl0re: and why you don't install to the hard disk?
[13:19] <gambl0re> because i dont have enough gb's
[13:19] <XXCoder> once bought 8 gb ssd for installing linuxcnc on
[13:19] <XXCoder> it was quite cheap
[13:19] <gambl0re> hello?
[13:20] <XXCoder> okay will stop talking. you have no patence.
[13:20] <gambl0re> see you
[13:20] <multifractal_> Do I have to move my SWAP partition after resizing ubuntu partition?
[13:20] <alkisg> gambl0re: your GB fit a VM?
[13:20] <alkisg> but not a real installatino?
[13:20] <alkisg> That's weird, because they have the same size...
[13:20] <multifractal_> Because now there's an unallocated gap between Ubuntu and its SWAP.
[13:20] <gambl0re> my vm was on my windows 7 host
[13:21] <alkisg> That doesn't matter, it's still the same size
[13:21] <alkisg> Anyway whatever suits you
[13:21] <gambl0re> ?
[13:21] <gambl0re> i love this passive aggressive tone im feeling right now
[13:21] <gambl0re> i thought i was actually gonna receive some help in this channel
[13:22] <gambl0re> but thanks and happy new year!
[13:22] <explosive> multifractal_: can you pastebin 'sudo parted -l' ?
[13:24] <multifractal_> explosive: I will do. It's taking a very long time to login though...
[13:26] <multifractal> explosive: https://pastebin.com/RuW3kGDb
[13:27] <TubbyNinja> join #python
[13:27] <chalcedony> multifractal, and?
[13:28] <chalcedony> my hubby and i's isp's dns server isn't working, how do i set a new dns server in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[13:28] <linocisco> ikonia, I am trying to install snort. but there is only way i can install from tarball. not from apt.
[13:28] <linocisco> I got many dependencies problem
[13:29] <multifractal> chalcedony: 13:20 <multifractal_> Do I have to move my SWAP partition after resizing Ubuntu partition?
[13:30] <multifractal> Since now there's unallocated space in between ubuntu and its SWAP partition. And I intend to use that space to put UbuntuStudio or KXStudio. Does the Ubuntu partition need to be adjacent to its SWAP partition?
[13:31] <chalcedony> multifractal, i dunno. i hope somebody wakes up who can answer everyone's questions :)
[13:33] <ioria> linocisco, why ? you can't install with apt ?
[13:35] <chalcedony> i found my answer i hope :)
[13:37] <source0> Does anyone here have a Pixel 2?  I connect it and and nothing shows up in dmesg, lsusb shows nothing
[13:37] <source0> Any tips?
[13:37] <source0> I found one post: https://askubuntu.com/questions/982391/connecting-google-pixel-2-to-ubuntu and there are no answers
[13:38] <TubbyNinja> Anyone have a recommended ebook reader?
[13:38] <soee_> hi, i'm trying to install system on M.2 SSD disk, but after install it just boots to: error: unknown filesystem. Entering rescue mode... grub rescue>
[13:38] <soee_> any idea why grub fails here?
[13:38] <TubbyNinja> That a laptop soee_?
[13:38] <soee_> TubbyNinja: no, PC
[13:39] <TubbyNinja> I had a similar issue and had to remove secure boot option from bios.
[13:41] <soee_> i had no such problems with other sata SSD's
[13:41] <soee_> only this M.2
[13:49] <linocisco> ioria, vendor website gave only shows to install from tarball.https://www.snort.org/#get-started
[13:50] <ioria> linocisco, who's 'vendor website ' ?
[13:51] <linocisco> ioria, I am trying to install snort. snort website as above link has no apt installation option
[13:51] <ioria> !info snort
[13:51] <linocisco> ioria, here is also the same https://blog.rapid7.com/2017/01/11/how-to-install-snort-nids-on-ubuntu-linux/
[13:52] <linocisco> ioria, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26271621/
[13:53] <ioria> linocisco, so, you don't get errors in configure  ?
[13:54] <linocisco> ioria, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26271638/ is result of ./configure
[13:54] <neurrre> hi
[13:54] <neurrre> when i do dconf write /org/gnome/desktop/interface/cursor-size 64, i have to repeat it after every reboot
[13:54] <neurrre> how do i make such setting persistent?
[13:54] <ioria> linocisco, that's not the output of ./configure
[13:55] <ioria> linocisco, would be a bit longer
[13:57] <ioria> linocisco, btw, you need the devs packages for bison dnet, and flex (bison++, libbison-dev, flex-old, libdnet libdnet-dev, libdumbnet1 libdumbnet-dev). but, really, not supported here
[13:57] <linocisco> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26271660/ is alll result of ./configure
[13:58] <linocisco> ioria, what do you mean by NOT supported here?
[13:59] <ioria> linocisco, it means that ubuntu uses its packages
[13:59] <ioria> linocisco, not the packages of someone else
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:01] <linocisco> ioria, what do you think I should continue to install snort?
[14:09] <ikonia> !snort
[14:09] <ikonia> !info snort
[14:09] <ikonia> I thought it was in the repo
[14:10] <ylwghst> Can I mute /dev/sda1: clean, 220240/30269440 file, 2971359/121076736 blocks message during
[14:10] <ylwghst>                  boot?
[14:12] <explosive> ylwghst: https://askubuntu.com/questions/772874/how-to-turn-off-the-filesystem-check-message-which-occures-while-booting
[14:21] <onio> is it possible to use the same nickname on two different IRC channels?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> onio, yes your nicj remains the same on all channels
[14:23] <BluesKaj> err nick
[14:24] <onio> BluesKaj: I am not sure if I am asking the right question as I am new to IRC chat. What I was referring to is the ability to use the same nickname on irc client application such as pidgin.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> onio, afaik pidgin and all other irc clients have to fllow the same rules , so your answer is still yes
[14:26] <onio> for example I am currently on the mynick@irc.ubuntu.com and I want to use the same for another chat room such as mynick@irc.freenode.com
[14:26] <onio> okay
[14:57] <BadassNinja> quit
[15:06] <dreamscape> Hi all I've just put a SSD from my one Dell laptop to another. Everything is working fine but the wifi won't work? Could anyone explain to me how I can get this working? (Ubuntu MATE 16.04)
[15:07] <lordcirth> dreamscape, what wifi card does the new one have?  'lspci' should show it
[15:08] <dreamscape> Broadcom BCM43228
[15:08] <lordcirth> dreamscape, and this didn't work for you? https://askubuntu.com/questions/11993/how-do-i-install-bcm4312-wireless-drivers#12109
[15:09] <tezogmix> Hi, I wanted to install ubuntu LTS via vm ware on windows 7 to use for running openVPN and transferring data between that vpn connection. How much RAM should I allocate for during the initial setup for vmware player and then hdd space for the ubuntu LTS installation? I have a i5/8gb ram/100gb free hdd
[15:11] <dreamscape> lordcirth, it says "this device is not working" under the driver
[15:11] <tezogmix> Is 2gb for vmware player enough , not sure on how many cores to assign (1, 2, 4)
[15:11] <TubbyNinja> tezogmix, Minimum requirements for 16 .04 LTS is 512Mb Ram, 5Gb HD Space
[15:11] <lordcirth> dreamscape, did you make sure there's not a hardware switch turned off?
[15:12] <lordcirth> tezogmix, I'd really go with 1GB or more, though..
[15:12] <dreamscape> lordcirth, yeah, the wifi light is on.
[15:12] <tezogmix> ok TubbyNinja , saw those briefly... wondering how much of a bottleneck I'd need to assign for the vmware setup portion
[15:13] <tezogmix> rather to minimize the bottleneck
[15:13] <TubbyNinja> tezogmix, I agree with lordcirth ... at least 1Gb mem. And it depends on what other work you're doing on the Win 7 box at the same time.
[15:14] <TubbyNinja> 2 Cores, 1 Gb memory and 8Gb for the HD would be a good starting point.
[15:14] <tezogmix> Basically what I am trying to see is if I can have my data and certain programs run within windows 7 through vmware player and ubuntu (openvpn) as it seems windows limits vpn beyond 200Mbps.
[15:14] <tezogmix> Ah great, that helps TubbyNinja
[15:14] <lordcirth> dreamscape, do you have the package broadcom-sta-common installed?
[15:14] <lordcirth> dreamscape, you need that and broadcom-sta-dkms installed, I think
[15:15] <tezogmix> on testing the ubuntu live usb, I was able to exceed over 200Mbps via openvpn but on windows, same setup, their tap adapter driver limits it
[15:15] <dreamscape> lordcirth, ok thanks i will try. likely it isn't installed. My other laptop only ever used ethernet.
[15:24] <Netham45> I've got ubuntu installed inside a chroot jail on a centos (cPanel) server running inside a virtuozzo container, what would happen if I did a dist-upgrade on it?
[15:24] <dreamscape> lordcirth, did that and the theme has gone all white and the laptop is unresponsive now :(
[15:24] <lordcirth> dreamscape, wat?
[15:25] <vevbeve> my 2 month old ssd doesnt boot my ubuntu. It says fsck exited with status code 4
[15:25] <condor1> ciao
[15:25] <lordcirth> dreamscape, ok I think you should reboot and run memtestx86 to check for hardware problems
[15:25] <condor1> hi
[15:25] <condor1> 121qwe
[15:25] <vevbeve> the root filesystem on dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root requires a manual fsck
[15:26] <vevbeve> Im konw logged as initramfs
[15:26] <dreamscape> lordcirth, it's not that, it's been running for months perfectly with windows 10 i'm just going to reinstall
[15:26] <dreamscape> thanks though
[15:26] <lordcirth> vevbeve, fsck -y /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root will probably fix it
[15:27] <lordcirth> vevbeve, but you should check smartctl once booted to see if the drive is failing
[15:28] <vevbeve> lordcirth: there is no user in my terminal, no francis$:, but (initramfs) and all the commands I try (like fstab or smartctl) return: sh: not found
[15:28] <vevbeve> what am I doing wrong?
[15:28] <lordcirth> vevbeve, what if you try to run 'ls'?  the initramfs has very little software available
[15:29] <vevbeve> ls lists 16 options: dev, lib64, scripts, init, etc... should I copy the whole output?
[15:30] <lordcirth> vevbeve, no, the point is, it's working, you just don't have all the software.  Which is expected.  Can you run 'fsck' as I mentioned?
[15:31] <vevbeve> lordcirth: file system was modified, im still on initramfs, what now?
[15:32] <lordcirth> vevbeve, reboot and hope it works now
[15:32] <lordcirth> vevbeve, then try to find out if the drive is dying on you
[15:34] <vevbeve> lordcirth: genius!! it worked. now, what could have triggered this abnormal behaviour? The only THing I can think of is that I accidentally changed permissions of the lost and found firectory of an external SSD and left it plugged in for around 12 hours
[15:34] <lidiving> Any idea why when my laptop is powered on or off while plugged into the ac adapter I lose my WiFi card . On reboot unplugged from ac everything is fine
[15:35] <WereCatf> I installed Ubuntu 17.10, only to find out that /etc/network/interfaces is no longer used and there's some stupid new shite called "Netplan" in its stead. I need to make a bridge and I tried to follow instructions, but all I get is Ubuntu getting stuck on trying to assign an IP-address via DHCP to the bridge, never succeeding
[15:35] <lordcirth> vevbeve, changing those permissions might have done it, I'm not sure.  Run 'smartctl -a /dev/sda | less' and see if there's anything wrong with the drive
[15:36] <vevbeve> lordcirth: somthing wrong means bad sectors?
[15:36] <lordcirth> vevbeve, that would be bad, yes.  Of course, a drive can be failing and not have errors in smart.
[15:37] <vevbeve> mmm...
[15:37] <vevbeve> thanks lordcirth ill be back later, but the unit is only 18 months old...
[15:37] <lordcirth> lost+found is the most likely explanation, though.  Now, regardless, you shouldn't be trusting any one drive; have backups.
[15:38] <vevbeve> ok, good
[15:38] <WereCatf> How do I get the bridge working?
[15:38] <vevbeve> it must be the lost and found
[15:39] <vevbeve> lordcirth: I rebooted and it works, but this other unit is at home and i cannot test it now
[15:39] <vevbeve> oops, disregard
[15:47] <WereCatf> I installed Ubuntu 17.10, only to find out that /etc/network/interfaces is no longer used and there's some stupid new shite called "Netplan" in its stead. I need to make a bridge and I tried to follow instructions, but all I get is Ubuntu getting stuck on trying to assign an IP-address via DHCP to the bridge, never succeeding. How to get DHCP working with the bridge?
[15:50] <gambl0re> how do i customize my xfce to make it look better. i went through all the appearance and desktop settings but it still looks bad
[15:51] <BluesKaj> WereCatf, not true i use the interfaces file as before , you just need to set your dns nameservers up in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf...no need for netplan at all
[15:51] <lordcirth> gambl0re, there are theme sites, like this one: https://www.xfce-look.org/
[15:51] <WereCatf> BluesKaj: using interfaces-file didn't do a thing
[15:52] <WereCatf> Besides, I'm not asking about DNS
[15:53] <BluesKaj> WereCatf, then look here, and if you want help later, an attide change won't hurt...we'rte all volunteers here.
[15:54] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConnectionBridge
[15:54] <WereCatf> BluesKaj: That page doesn't refer to netplan at any point, so it's of no use
[15:54] <BluesKaj> remember attitude
[15:55] <WereCatf> I know how to use the interfaces-file for setting up a bridge, but it's not used in 17.10 anymore. 17.10 insists on using Netplan
[15:55] <BluesKaj> for bridging perhaps ..not doing that here
[15:57] <WereCatf> I suppose I'll try removing netplan and seeing how badly it breaks things
[15:57] <BluesKaj> have fun
[15:58] <WereCatf> Afraid not :/
[15:59] <Dagronmaster> you could try configuring /etc/network/interfaces and then run 'netplan ifupdown-migrate' to see what happens
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Dagronmaster,, good suggestion i forgot about ifupdown
[16:01] <WereCatf> Dagronmaster: I tried that, but it just complained something about option dhcp not accepting parameters
[16:05] <BluesKaj> I didn't need netplan after installing ifupdown
[16:19] <dekatch> hi
[16:20] <dekatch> may i get help on installing rar or 7z? aptitude cant find it, but according to askubuntu.com that should be available
[16:20] <dekatch> my sources.list is the default one that is created after installation i think
[16:21] <dekatch> !apt rar
[16:21] <dekatch> !info rar
[16:22] <BluesKaj> !7zip
[16:22] <dekatch> hi BluesKaj
[16:22] <dekatch> !info 7zip
[16:22] <dekatch> :/
[16:23] <Dagronmaster> !info p7zip
[16:23] <BluesKaj> hi dekatch try p7zip-full
[16:23] <dekatch> neat ty
[16:24] <dekatch> no candidate version found
[16:24] <Dagronmaster> dekatch:  'apt-cache search 7zip' was helpful in finding that
[16:24] <Dagronmaster> Do you have multiverse enabled?
[16:25]  * dekatch becomes silent
[16:25] <dekatch> no idea. running ubuntu on wsl .. kinda just starting with ubuntu all over again
[16:25] <Dagronmaster> sorry, p7zip-full ins in universe
[16:26] <Dagronmaster> you can run 'software &  updates' and select additional repos from which these packages may be available
[16:26] <PTNapivoski> There is p7zip-rar too
[16:27] <PTNapivoski> If you want to be able to unzip RAR files
[16:27] <dekatch> Dagronmaster, here is the portion of my sources list https://paste.ubuntu.com/26272500/
[16:28] <dekatch> so as long as it is in sources.list it should be enabled afa i am concerned?
[16:29] <PTNapivoski> My sources.list: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26272515/
[16:29] <Dagronmaster> dekatch:  does 'apt-cache show p7zip-full' return anything useful?
[16:30] <dekatch> Dagronmaster, N: Can't select versions from package 'p7zip-full' as it is purely virtual
[16:30] <dekatch> is that an WSL issue?
[16:30] <dekatch> windows subsystem for linux?
[16:30] <Dagronmaster> no idea.   Can you successfully run 'apt update'?
[16:32] <dekatch> nah gives back errors.
[16:32] <Dagronmaster> so there's a general issue with the package management system
[16:32] <Dagronmaster> depends on the errors, though
[16:33] <dekatch> i just installed aptitude tho
[16:33] <dekatch> would you mind taking a look at the output Dagronmaster ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26272545/
[16:34] <Dagronmaster> try 'sudo apt update'
[16:34]  * dekatch /sigh
[16:34] <dekatch> works lol thanks. yea
[16:34] <Dagronmaster> I have no clue how deep the WSL  rabbit hole is
[16:35] <dekatch> 73 packages are upgradable it says
[16:35] <UukGoblin> hello all, I'm wondering if 5.1 audio is supposed to work on the Cherry-Trail HDMI port
[16:35] <dekatch> ill do that see what happens :)
[16:35] <dekatch> hi
[16:35] <UukGoblin> I'm still only getting 2.0 and that's on pure alsa (pulseaudio doesn't seem to work)
[16:37] <Sircle> https://i.imgur.com/vxtgJuP.png
[16:37] <Sircle>  Can anyone see why intellij idea is not picking up open-jdk? https://i.imgur.com/vxtgJuP.png
[16:39] <Sircle>  Can anyone see why intellij idea is not picking up open-jdk? https://i.imgur.com/vxtgJuP.png
[16:41] <Shibe> how can I get gallium9 support on ubuntu 17.10
[16:43] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, maybe this will help, https://liliputing.com/2016/04/audio-over-hdmi-comes-to-intel-cherry-trail-pcs-running-linux.html
[16:44] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, thanks, nope, I've seend that before; the audio works in 2.0, but not 5.1
[16:44] <UukGoblin> and I'm not sure if that driver is supposed to work with 5.1 at all or not
[16:45] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, does the stick show up in alsamixer with F6
[16:46] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, yes it does, there's 2 devices actually, one is the LPE, the other is some analog one (which is not wired to anything on this PC-on-a-stick)
[16:46] <Dagronmaster> Sircle:  possibly stupid question --  does the path you're specifying work for other versions of the JDK?   i.e. what path are you using for java 8 (assuming java 8 is working)
[16:47] <UukGoblin> pulseaudio a couple months ago just hung up, the current one is trying to use the analog port and doesn't see the HDMI one at all
[16:47] <klemax> why does "nmcli dev show | grep DNS" always put 192.168.1.1 to first place in the list?
[16:47] <klemax> I wanna delete it anyhow.
[16:48] <Sircle> Dagronmaster,  let me install jdk8
[16:48] <klemax> Because first of all it uses it.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, LPE? is that the device we need to configure?
[16:48] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, yes
[16:48] <UukGoblin> it's the "Intel HDMI LPE" audio driver
[16:48] <UukGoblin> from https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/134187/
[16:49] <UukGoblin> there is code for 8 speakers there so I'm presuming 5.1 and 7.1 /should/ work, but I don't know how to get them to
[16:49] <BluesKaj> ok choose that then we cango from there with alsamixer
[16:50] <b3h3m0th> How do I make a bootable DVD for a system without UEFI?
[16:50] <Dagronmaster> Sircle: it's possible that intellij expects a path for Oracle java and the openjdk path is rejected.   I know nothing about intellij, I'm just seeing stuff on the web
[16:51] <BluesKaj> alsamixer should show spdif out on the LPE , if not the front and surround channels ..not sure , UukGoblin
[16:52] <Sircle> Dagronmaster, 8 works
[16:52] <Sircle> Dagronmaster,  your comment also makes sence
[16:52] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, not sure what you mean by "choose". Alsamixer is not showing any controls for this device.
[16:52] <Sircle> but not the case with me for now
[16:54] <UukGoblin> this works but only uses 2 channels: mpv --audio-device=alsa/plughw:CARD=Audio,DEV=2 *.mkv
[16:54] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, what about pavucontrol, if you don't have it, install it because it's output device setting can be very helpful.
[16:55] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, it shows one device, Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E80..., which has only one port: Analog Output
[16:55] <BluesKaj> what does?
[16:56] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, pavucontrol's Output Devices tab
[16:56] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, did you apply the patch ?
[16:56] <UukGoblin> trying to play a movie to it results in jagged video and no sound (although it does init to 5.1)
[16:57] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, no, I'm assuming it's already in mainline, I'm on updated Ubuntu 17.10
[16:57] <BluesKaj> don't assume  UukGoblin
[16:57] <UukGoblin> kernel is 4.13.0-17-generic #20-Ubuntu
[16:57] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, that driver supposedly was included in 4.11 or so
[16:58] <UukGoblin> I'm not sure if /exactly/ that patch which I linked was included, or was it something else, let me look up the mainline source
[16:59] <Dagronmaster> Sircle:  Assuming 8's path is the same (except version number), then I have no clue why it's not allowing the v9 path.  Is it the latest version of intellij?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, if you have an intel hda chip onboard then you shoiuld get hdmi 5.1 thru it's spdif/digital out...mine does
[17:00] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, I don't have any audio outputs on this PC-on-a-stick. There's only a HDMI port
[17:02] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, not talking about the stick, I'm referring to your onboard sound chip?
[17:03] <Sircle> Dagronmaster, hm
[17:03] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, are you saying I should open it and solder stuff inside of it?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> +no
[17:04] <UukGoblin> how else will I know whether there's any audio coming off its spdif port?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> doesn't your mobo have a audio chip?
[17:04] <UukGoblin> I don't think it's a typical snd_hda_intel thing at all
[17:05] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, it's a PC-on-a-stick, like this one: https://www.komputronik.pl/media/pl-komputronik/img/opisy_produktow/2016/komputery/Kiano/Slimstick/start_1000x600.jpg
[17:05] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, I've no idea what's on its tiny motherboard
[17:05] <Dagronmaster> What does 'lshw -C sound' return?
[17:06] <UukGoblin> Dagronmaster, nothing, empty
[17:06] <UukGoblin> (after a few seconds)
[17:06] <dekatch> Dagronmaster, thanks for the help. i was able to install 7zip and rar.
[17:06] <dekatch> after that apt upgrade*
[17:06] <Dagronmaster> dekatch:  yay!
[17:07] <Dagronmaster> UukGoblin:  unfortunately, that means I'm way out of my depth on your problem.  Sorry
[17:07] <UukGoblin> Dagronmaster, no worries, thanks anyway
[17:08] <BluesKaj> sorry UukGoblin ..I have no idea what that is ..pc on a stick , what kind of device is the stick plugged into?
[17:08] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, it's plugged into a small power supply and a TV via HDMI
[17:09] <BluesKaj> oh one of those things ...I just use kodi on my pc, for that kind of media
[17:09] <UukGoblin> there's also 2 USB ports, but getting a USB sound card won't actually solve my problem because I'll have no way of connecting it to the TV or the 5.1 system (both of which expect HDMI)
[17:10] <BluesKaj> so it's not even ubuntu related
[17:10] <UukGoblin> I was thinking of getting kodi on ubuntu
[17:11] <pi0> howdy
[17:11] <BluesKaj> you mifgt as well ask on #windows chat...they might help
[17:11] <pi0> ouch!
[17:11] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin,^
[17:12] <|flyte|> can someone help me with a bash-ninja? I want to tar up my most recent media folders up until around 900GBs. Not sure how I would ls sorted in desc order by date and tar them until I reach a certian size limit..
[17:12] <BluesKaj> pi0, no ouches, his device problem has nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:13] <pi0> ah, i see
[17:14] <multifractal_> I'm having trouble installing Wine on Ubuntustudio 17.10. https://pastebin.com/a41viL8M
[17:14] <multifractal_> Note that I already have the winehq-stable package version 2.0.3
[17:16] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|:  the size requirement is a little confusing.  You want to stop when your archives total 900GB?
[17:17] <|flyte|> Dagronmaster, correct. Basically what I am doing is "backing up as much of my most recent media files that will fit on my 1TB backup drive".. I have about 900 GBs free.
[17:17] <Dagronmaster> ah
[17:19] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, PM
[17:21] <Dagronmaster> multifractal_: What does 'dpkg-query -S /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-sane.hwdb' report?
[17:22] <amulya> hi
[17:22] <strive> Hi.
[17:22] <multifractal_> Dragonmaster: It printed out libsane1:amd64: /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-sane.hwdb. But I since just typed `apt install libsane` and tried building again and it worked, even though it said `libsane is already the newest version`
[17:23] <amulya> how to change install another compiler other than gcc
[17:24] <auronandace> multifractal_: you may want to give playonlinux a try. you can install and manage any versions of wine you want through that
[17:24] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|:  listing directories descending by date is (relatively) simple:  find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ldt
[17:24] <multifractal_> I'm trying to install this but hte makefile has LD flags that seem to refer to directories that don't exist on my computer. That's why I'm getting the `fatal error windows.h no such file or directory` error https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst/blob/master/Makefile-embed6432#L16 i.e. Installing wine as described here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/how-to-add-wine-repository-ubuntu put it in an unexpected directory?
[17:24] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|:  The easiest way to accomplish the rest is probably to just keep writing until you can't anymore.  The last archive can be deleted as incomplete
[17:25] <Scunizi> I'm having issues after startup with favicons not displaying on Chrome for pinned tabs. They will usually appear after apx 10 minutes. Any idea how to speed this process up? (running 14.04 and chrome version 63.0.3239.108 (Official Build) (64-bit) )
[17:25] <Dagronmaster> multifractal_:  The problem is that you're trying to install two versions of libsane
[17:25] <|flyte|> Dagronmaster, wouldn't that currupt the rest of the archive?
[17:25] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|:  Only if you're putting everything in the same tarball.  I had assumed each directory was going into its own archive
[17:26] <|flyte|> Dagronmaster, actually, why bother tar at all, perhaps I should just cp -r (the folders in most recent order) and let the last folder fail
[17:26] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|:  the alternative is to look at the remaining free space on your backup drive and then make an educated guess as to how much space the next directory will occupy.  I don't know how hard that would be
[17:27] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|: if you're not compressing, then you're probably correct
[17:27] <|flyte|> Dagronmaster, well they're mostly mkvs and mp4s etc.. I don't think I would gain much in compressing..
[17:28] <multifractal_> Dragonmaster: https://pastebin.com/KdKy6EsS Really? It appears to be related to windows.h. The libsane thing seemed to correct itself after running `apt-get install libsane`. It also appears to be a common problem - https://askubuntu.com/questions/986634/error-when-trying-to-install-wine-in-ubuntu-17-10
[17:28] <|flyte|> ok.. so then how would I pipe in to g(cp) -r my most recent folders ?
[17:29] <Dagronmaster> multifractal_: I was just going by your most recent paste.   Is the result of 'sudo apt-get install winehq-devel' different now?
[17:29] <multifractal_> Dragonmaster: oh yeah sorry I'm not being clear. Yes that seemed to go off without a hitch.
[17:31] <Dagronmaster> multifractal_: nah, it's me stuck on the previous problem
[17:32] <multifractal_> Dragonmaster: I think the problem is that the makefile in question expects the windows.h to be in these given directories https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst/blob/master/Makefile-embed6432#L22 but these don't exist on my machine.
[17:32] <Dagronmaster> amulya:  what other compilter did you have in mind?
[17:34] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, afair 5.1 audio works on windows... but I don't like to use windows
[17:35] <Dagronmaster> multifractal_:  Is there a reason you're using that particular makefile?   Note that I haven't researched how to build this thing.    Are you just typing 'make' or are you specifying a makefile?
[17:36] <multifractal_> Dragonmaster: That is the makefile for the particular options I want/need.
[17:38] <dekatch> grrr messed up my .bashrc even tho i did nothing to it xx. maybe somebody can help i even have the original output of my echo $ps1.
[17:39] <multifractal_> According to catfish search I don't even have a windows.h on this computer :(
[17:39] <dekatch> so what i did is: i have green color in my bash and i wanted to replace basically only my colors. so i googled some stuff up. copied the original .bashrc to .bashrc.backup. modified my .bashrc didnt like it , reverted it back. but now
[17:39] <dekatch> but now #echo $ps1 doesnt output anything
[17:40] <dekatch> i reverted the changed back by simply deleting .bashrc and copy back .bashrc.backup to .bashrc
[17:40] <dekatch> it should be slick. but its messed up. any idea why that is?
[17:41] <tsglove> dekatch, did you logout/login?
[17:42] <dekatch> no. i exited the bash tho
[17:42] <dekatch> tried, still. echo $ps1 outputs nothing
[17:43] <dekatch> i copied the original output also before i made changes. can i put that line in via some command?
[17:44] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|:  This might work, assuming no spaces in directory names:   find . -maxdepth 1 -type d | xargs  ls -dt | xargs  -I{} cp -r {} /path/to/backup/disk
[17:45] <geirha> echo "$PS1"   bash is case sensitive. And don't omit the quotes
[17:45] <dekatch> geirha, oh man. yea. thank you
[17:45] <dekatch> worked
[17:48] <lord4163> Does anybody in here know how to disable plexmediaserver on boot up on Ubuntu 14.04?
[17:48] <Dagronmaster> update-rc.d plexmediaserver disable
[17:48] <ikonia> depends how it was installed too
[17:50] <lord4163> Dagronmaster: Yea, I think I fucked up, I used rm to remove the symlink in /etc/init.d
[17:50] <multifractal_> Where can I find the header files for wine? Having installed as described here https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu and here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/how-to-add-wine-repository-ubuntu I can't find windows.h
[17:51] <ikonia> lord4163: try to tone down the language please
[17:52] <ikonia> multifractal_: https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2017-March/117104.html
[17:52] <lord4163> ikonia: Do you know from which directory it was linked?
[17:53] <ikonia> lord4163: no, depends how you installed it
[17:53] <Jakethepython> Hello Room how I have a question about OpenVPN
[17:53] <Jakethepython> i don't know if this is the correct channel to ask the question
[17:53] <Dagronmaster> lord4163: (unfortunately) the files in /etc/init.d tend to be regular files.  consider 'apt-get install --reinstall plexmediaserver' or extracting the files from the plexmediaserver .deb
[17:53] <ikonia> Jakethepython: if it's about ubuntu here is right,
[17:53] <ikonia> Jakethepython: if it's about openvpn #openvpn is right
[17:53] <TickerTape> Jakethepython: yes TCP mode is more reliable than UDP
[17:53] <TickerTape> (just in case that was the question)
[17:53] <lord4163> Dagronmaster: No, I checked it was a link.
[17:53] <ikonia> lord4163: if you removed the file, then the question is, how is it starting up
[17:54] <ikonia> lord4163: which goes back to what version of ubuntu is this and how did you install plex
[17:54] <Dagronmaster> interesting.  I have no symlinks in my (16.04) /etc/init.d
[17:54] <Jakethepython> TLS Error: TLS key negotiation failed to occur within 60 seconds (check your network connectivity)
[17:54] <Jakethepython> Thu Dec 28 12:53:00 2017 TLS Error: TLS handshake failed
[17:55] <lord4163> ikonia: Ubuntu 14.04 MATE
[17:55] <ikonia> Jakethepython: your certificates are not in sync
[17:55] <ikonia> lord4163: how did you install plex
[17:55] <|flyte|> Dagronmaster, actually.. I do have spaces in my folders :/ how would I accomodate that?
[17:55] <lord4163> ikonia: It was such a long time ago, probably through some deb file
[17:55] <ikonia> Dagronmaster: 16.04 uses systemd
[17:55] <lord4163> ikonia: I'm checking now
[17:55] <Dagronmaster> |flyte|:  the usual answer is to use the -print0 argument to find and the -0 argument to xargs.   Problem is, that does weird things that seem to break cp
[17:56] <multifractal_> thanks ikonia, but i'm not sure how to interpret that message. I have the winehq-stable version 2.0.3 installed but something else I'm trying to build can't find some wine headers.
[17:56] <TickerTape> I think the cleanest way to disable services is via "systemctl disable" - at least that's what I use
[17:56] <ikonia> multifractal_: so you need the wine development packages from whatever repo you're using
[17:56] <ikonia> TickerTape: it depends if he's using systemd - which he's not on 14.04
[17:57] <TickerTape> ikonia: well why in all that is holy hasn't he upgraded since friggging 14.04?
[17:57] <multifractal_> ikonia: It still fails regardless of whether I have winehq-stable or winehq-devel installed.
[17:57] <ikonia> TickerTape: he doesn't have to
[17:58] <ikonia> multifractal_: no - those are repos, not packages
[17:58] <|flyte|> ..what does it mean when I log into my newly upgraded ubuntu 17.10 (via UI), but no desktop environment appears? I am prompted to enter my password, but then just sits there, no desktop env spins up!? I know unity was supposed to be replaced.. how can I correct?
[17:59] <Jakethepython> I have tried to redo the cerificates and it still doens't work
[17:59] <multifractal_> ikonia: hmm that's not how i understood this article http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/how-to-add-wine-repository-ubuntu. So what exactly do I have installed when I type `apt-get install winehq-stable` or `apt-get intall winehq-devel`? I'm able to run `wine --version` and see output.
[17:59] <ikonia> Jakethepython: so I'd suggest talking to the openvpn guys on how to set up certs
[17:59] <multifractal_> What else do I need to do to install the PACKAGES?
[17:59] <Jakethepython> ok thank you
[17:59] <ikonia> multifractal_: you want the wine development packages
[18:00] <multifractal_> ikonia: But not achievable through `sudo apt-get install winehq-devel`?
[18:00] <ikonia> multifractal_: you're using repos not supported or provided by ubuntu, the wine team can tell you the correct package names, it's normally $PACKAGE-devel
[18:00] <ikonia> or $PACKAGE-dev
[18:00] <ikonia> multifractal_: that is just the development version of the binaries
[18:00] <ikonia> not the development packages
[18:02] <multifractal_> ikonia: I see no way of getting these. I have to build Wine from source?
[18:02] <bhanz>  see excessive rx_drop on bond interface ? anyone has come across such an scenerio
[18:02] <ikonia> multifractal_: no
[18:02] <ikonia> multifractal_: they are in the repos you are using
[18:03] <geirha> |flyte|: This should handle any filenames:   stat --printf '%Y/%n\0' ./*/ | sort -z -nr | while IFS=/ read -rd '' time dir; do printf 'Copying %s which was last modified %(%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S)T\n' "$dir" "$time"; echo cp -r "$dir" /dest/dir; done
[18:04] <geirha> added an echo in there as a dry-run. Remove echo to have it actually copy
[18:04] <multifractal_> ikonia: https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian#Installing_WineHQ_packages This is still opaque to me. I have 3 options as far as I can tell.
[18:04] <ikonia> multifractal_: what's not clear ?
[18:05] <multifractal_> ikonia: That I don't know what to install.
[18:05] <multifractal_> Out of the 3 options.
[18:05] <ikonia> multifractal_: none of those options
[18:05] <ikonia> you want the wine-development packages, not the development binaries
[18:06] <ikonia> multifractal_: that repo is not provided by or supported by ubuntu, so the guys who maintain it can tell you the package name, it's normally $package-devel or $package-dev
[18:07] <multifractal_> ikonia: https://pastebin.com/cVmL2gM2 I don't think that's an option. Like I say, there only appears to be 3.
[18:08] <ikonia> multifractal_: so the guys who maintain those repos will tell you the package name then, as I said, it's "normally" $package-devel $package-dev
[18:08] <ikonia> winehq is probably a metapackage for wine
[18:18] <implite_> is ubottu broken?
[18:18] <ikonia> don't think so
[18:18] <ikonia> !ping
[18:18] <ikonia> little slow, but working
[18:18] <implite_> I asked it about ubuntu and it said it does not know anything about ubuntu
[18:19] <implite_> i was like lol???
[18:22] <implite_> oh i know why now.... I typed "ubottu ubuntu"
[18:22] <implite_> nvm my fault
[18:27] <Nitrigaur> 17.10: I Got many Xid errors, segfault error 6 libnvidia-glcore.so.384.90 when using vlc
[18:28] <Nitrigaur> VLC and Xorg take turns maxing out to 100% and leaving me with a unresponsive system
[18:35] <Nitrigaur> mpv works, but doesn't support all the file formats
[18:36] <chalcedony> my hubby and i's isp's dns server isn't working, how do i set a new dns server in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> from my experience mpv works on all video formats
[18:37] <BluesKaj> chalcedony, in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[18:37] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, you can use nmtui to add DNS servers to your interfaces.
[18:38] <chalcedony> the directions i found so far are for 'nameserver' not dns server
[18:38] <rypervenche> I agree. mpv works for all file formats for me so far. Some strange ones too.
[18:38] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, you know the relation between DNS and nameservers?
[18:39] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, nameservers are the container servers on which DNS servers run.
[18:39] <ikonia> container servers ?
[18:39] <ikonia> what
[18:39] <ikonia> nameservers ARE dns servers
[18:40] <chalcedony> Nitrigaur, we went through a lot of trouble to get the computer to have it's own ip
[18:40] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, you don't need to adjust the IP.
[18:40] <ikonia> chalcedony: it's own IP has nothing to do with your DNS service
[18:40] <chalcedony> 127.0.0.0 isn't what i want to change is it?
[18:40] <ikonia> chalcedony: why are your ISP's DNS servers not working ?
[18:40] <ikonia> chalcedony: slow down before you change anything
[18:41] <chalcedony> ikonia, i dunno. i changed mine on my (windows) systems and can reach websites
[18:41] <ikonia> chalcedony: ubuntu uses dnsmasq which runs it's own caching name server on 127.0.0.1 which is why you are seeing it pointing at 127.0.0.1
[18:41] <ikonia> chalcedony: ok - what are your ISP's name servers
[18:41] <chalcedony> ah
[18:41] <ikonia> one moment
[18:42] <chalcedony> ok
[18:42] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, I can easily test your ISP's name servers with dig
[18:42] <chalcedony> i see
[18:42] <chalcedony> how do i tell you, and not the whole world?
[18:42] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, that way we know if they are acting up or that something goes wrong on your config.
[18:42] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, by using a PM
[18:42] <chalcedony> okies
[18:43] <BluesKaj> chalcedony, I guess you missed my post
[18:44] <BluesKaj> anyway ..errands to do ...BBL
[18:44] <Galatasaray> what is my problem,  pls help
[18:44] <chalcedony> BluesKaj,
 chalcedony, in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[18:45] <BluesKaj> right chalcedony ...too many cooks :-)
[18:45] <chalcedony> hehe
[18:45] <BluesKaj> ok, gone for now
[18:45] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, AT&T's servers are working fine.
[18:45] <chalcedony> i'll see if i can find that too :)
[18:45] <chalcedony> thank you!
[18:46] <chalcedony> mmm
[18:46] <chalcedony> none of our computers could /dns anything earlier
[18:58] <ikonia> chalcedony: are you working now ?
[19:00] <Nitrigaur> ikonia, I'm talking him/ her through it using SIGUSR2
[19:00] <ikonia> what ?
[19:00] <ikonia> what are you even talking about
[19:00] <ikonia> chalcedony: is Nitrigaur giving you any information in private
[19:01] <Nitrigaur> ikonia, I am
[19:01] <ikonia> Nitrigaur: I'm asking Nitrigaur
[19:01] <ikonia> Nitrigaur: please do not give help in private
[19:01] <ikonia> more so when you're talking about stuff that has nothing to do with his problem
[19:02] <ikonia> chalcedony: is Nitrigaur giving you any help in private
[19:03] <ikonia> chalcedony: I very strongly advise you not to follow any inforamtion you may be getting in private
[19:05] <Nitrigaur> ikonia, I respect your opinion and I have asked chalcedony to get back to the main channel.
[19:05] <chalcedony> ok
[19:05] <chalcedony> ikonia, happy to have your assistance on this
[19:06] <ikonia> chalcedony: you're welcome of course to talk help from Nitrigaur - but I strongly advise you to only take help from anyone (myself included) in the public channel
[19:06] <chalcedony> let me get my laptop on here so i can be closer to his computer
[19:06] <ikonia> where others can see and offer help or correction where needed
[19:07] <ikonia> Nitrigaur: you're welcome to continue to help him in public, I'm very keen to see how SIGUSR2 is required to fix a name server resolution problem
[19:07] <Nitrigaur> ikonia, I thought that chalcedony has an issue with his/ her local resolved service
[19:08] <ikonia> feel free to carry on then
[19:08] <chalcedny> ok ikonia what shall we do then?
[19:08] <ikonia> no need to take it to any private conversation
[19:08] <Nitrigaur> ikonia, the signal SIGUSR2 to resolved can be used to flush the DNS cache afaik. I have read this from some multiple sources, but I have never tried this myself.
[19:09] <renn0xtek9> Test
[19:09] <ikonia> chalcedony: I guess the question is what name servers is your local dnsmasq service pointing out ?
[19:10] <chalcedony> ikonia, i'll message you that, we can continue in here
[19:10] <ikonia> chalcedony: no, you just said AT&T
[19:10] <ikonia> hang on, lets get the right command, my network manager command history is rusty
[19:10] <chalcedony> ok
[19:10] <ikonia> nmcli dev show | grep DNS
[19:10] <ikonia> what does that output
[19:11] <atrus> chalcedony: the dns servers your system is configured to use isn't typically private or confidential information. you can share them here. it's just the ip addresses your ISP tells all its customer's machines (automatically) to use.
[19:12] <pratik> hbkjhbkjhbnkjbnhkjbh
[19:12] <chalcedny> 192.168.0.1
[19:12] <atrus> chalcedony: if it's a private ip address (for example, the private ip address of your wifi ap/router), that's useful information we'd want in order to help solve the issue.
[19:12] <Nitrigaur> chalcedny, that is the address of your router on the LAN side.
[19:13] <chalcedny> ikonia, there
[19:13] <ikonia> chalcedony: really ? that looks like your router
[19:13] <chalcedny> ikonia, Nitrigaur uh huh yeah.
[19:13] <ikonia> chalcedony: so that to me suggests your router is not setup to use the right DNS server, or your router is not forwarding correctly
[19:14] <chalcedny> and we are back to 'reset the router' .. which all the computers can ping fine
[19:14] <SimonNL> router connected to some other router ikonia  ?
[19:14] <ikonia> what does ping the router have to do anything
[19:14] <ikonia> SimonNL: no idea on his setup
[19:14] <chalcedny> i'm female
[19:14] <ikonia> chalcedny: you understand that your router is your DHCP server that tells the computers "here is your IP, and here is your DNS"
[19:14] <SimonNL> is on mine and dns shows 192.168.1.1  for me
[19:14] <ikonia> chalcedny: what does being female have to do with anything
[19:14] <Nitrigaur> chalcedny, ikonia, she's using manual settings
[19:14] <BudgetSlug> What would be considered a standard place to mount a RAID?
[19:15] <ikonia> SimonNL: the router acting as a dns server is fine
[19:15] <ikonia> BudgetSlug: anywhere you want
[19:15] <rubas> BudgetSlug: please specify
[19:15] <chalcedny> so.. restart the network?
[19:15] <rubas> chalcedny: maybe reset to factory settings?
[19:15] <ikonia> chalcedny: no
[19:15] <Nitrigaur> rubas, no
[19:15] <ikonia> chalcedny: have you changed any settings on the router ?
[19:15] <chalcedny> ikonia, no.
[19:15] <rubas> chalcedny: don't reset to factory settings
[19:15] <atrus> ikonia: i imagine she just said that to correct you saying "his setup".
[19:15] <ikonia> ahhh, sorry
[19:15] <TJ-> chalcedny: try "dig +short ubuntu.com @192.168.0.1"
[19:16] <ikonia> atrus: didn't pick up on that
[19:16] <Nitrigaur> ikonia a windows system on the same network has perfect connection to the internet.
[19:16] <BudgetSlug> What is a best practice for mounting large permanent storage?
[19:16] <TJ-> chalcedny: if that command pauses or times out, that points to a problem on the router
[19:16] <Nitrigaur> chalcedny, do you know for sure that that Windows system is connected to the same router?
[19:16] <shaner> BudgetSlug: where is the storage located?
[19:16] <ikonia> Nitrigaur: no it's not
[19:16] <rubas> BudgetSlug: Are we talking about a rack? A computer? or?
[19:16] <chalcedny> ikonia, the windows systems got good connections AFTER i changed the dns servers they were using.
[19:16] <ikonia> Nitrigaur: she said earlier "I changed the windows systems"
[19:16] <ikonia> chalcedny: right, becuase they where also pointing at the router
[19:16] <ikonia> and clearly the router is not working
[19:17] <kylen> Hello Ubu people :)
[19:17] <ikonia> so the answer to your whole problem is "fix your routers config"
[19:17] <Nitrigaur> chalcedny, thank you for the correction :-)
[19:17] <BudgetSlug> rubas: This is a server.
[19:17] <chalcedny> Nitrigaur, np
[19:17] <BudgetSlug> shaner: The storage is located in the server case.
[19:18] <Nitrigaur> chalcedny, can you reach your router in your web browser at 192.168.0.1 ?
[19:18] <rubas> BudgetSlug: Okay, and you want to insert perm. storage to it? (or are we talking about AWS/Cloud storage)?
[19:18] <atrus> chalcedny: so, the router is probably having a problem resolving dns. you worked around the problem on the windows machines by switching them to not use the router as their dns server -- but the problem is still there. the most appropriate solution is to fix the router, so everybody that gets their networking config information from the router will work correctly, and *undo* the workaround you made with the windows machines.
[19:18] <ikonia> rubas: what the devil are you talking about, he's just said the storage is in the box (what does that matter?) and you're asking if he's putting AWS storage on it
[19:18] <TJ-> ikonia: the router could have a stupid firewall rule blocking local (not forwarded) UDP port 53 too; it's ISP DNS server config could be correct
[19:18] <ikonia> TJ-: totally,
[19:18] <rubas> ikonia: you're right
[19:18] <TJ-> chalcedny: try "dig +short ubuntu.com @192.168.0.1"
[19:18] <chalcedny> atrius, right. ok
[19:19] <chalcedny> TJ-, OK
[19:19] <rubas> ikonia: I was thinking of network storage, wouldn't make sense to RAID it
[19:19] <TJ-> chalcedny: if you get an IP address it's working; if it times out then the router has a problem
[19:19] <atrus> chalcedny: you can probably reconfigure the router to use a different ip address (i'm guessing you switched the windows machines to 8.8.8.8), and then all the windows and linux machines would benefit from the same workaround.
[19:19] <rubas> ikonia: when he was saying " practice for mounting large permanent storage? " - mounting through network
[19:20] <Nitrigaur> chalcedny, any luck running dig?
[19:20] <BudgetSlug> rubas: This is the setup. I have a server with a 7 drives. drive A is my OS drive and the remanding 6 are in a RAID 6. I would like to mount the RAID 6 for general storage. Possibly set the RAID 6 as the default /home for users.
[19:20] <chalcedny> dig command timed out
[19:21] <atrus> chalcedny:  (you could also double-check that 192.168.0.1 is actually your router -- it would be listed as the 'default' option in the output from 'ip route')
[19:21] <shaner> BudgetSlug: then either mount it as /extra or /home ..
[19:21] <rubas> BudgetSlug: Okay, and what is your question? Like how to physically mount it inside the cabinet? or how to set it up with Ubuntu?
[19:22] <TJ-> chalcedny: that confirms the router has a problem; access it's web administration interface and check the ISP/Broadband connection settings are mostly automatic, and then check the LAN config and ensure it is configured to offer DNS using the ISP DNS servers
[19:22] <chalcedny> atrus i'm pretty sure that's it -  i have admin on the windows box
[19:22] <BudgetSlug> shaner: I'm not going to have issues with home being a dir already?
[19:22] <TJ-> chalcedny: can you tell us the make/model of the router?
[19:23] <shaner> BudgetSlug: mount it as /home2 first and  'cp -rp /home/* /home2/' .. then remount /home
[19:23] <atrus> chalcedny: to be clear, you could also do the same thing you did with the windows machines -- reconfigure your linux machine to use a different dns server -- and that would "solve" the problem, but probably leave your configs more unusual and likely to break down the road.
[19:23] <BudgetSlug> rubas: I just want to know what is consisdered best practice or a common place to mount the storage (RAID6). The fre times I have done it I have run into a few permission issues. Just trying to get a feel for what the people do.
[19:23] <BudgetSlug> shaner: Okay, thank you.
[19:23] <Nitrigaur> chalcedny, usually the brand and model number are on the back or on the bottom of your device, depending on the shape of the device.
[19:24] <rubas> BudgetSlug: ah sorry
[19:24] <BudgetSlug> rubas: All good, thank you for the help.
[19:24] <BudgetSlug> shaner: Thank you for the help.
[19:28] <chalcedony> i furnished that information - brb company is here!
[19:31] <dekatch> maybe somebody can help me with that? following command #find . /source/ -maxdepth 1 -type f | head -1 | xargs cp -t /destination/      somehow finds the first file in an directory and copys it to my destination. i would like to add rename capability. the usual cp /destination/newfilename.ext doesnt work. it gives an "cp failed to access : no such file or directory" any one knows why?
[19:35] <Nitrigaur> chalcedony, for when you are back: many routers have the possibility to use DHCP while reserving the same address if you specify it to keep the same (192.168.0.x) address. This will enable you to get your ISP's DNS server forwarded to your machines, while still keeping the same IP address. You might want to consider this, unless you are using advanced settings, like non-standard subnets or VLAN's.
[19:38] <BudgetSlug> shaner: I mounted RAID6 to /home (no users were created yet, so there was no folders or data). I went to create a folder with mkdir and it informed me that I do no have permissions (I created an account and a home folder for the user. Right now the user Bruce has drwx------ bruce:bruce to /home/bruce). Any idea what I did wrong? This should not need any additional permissions since Bruce owns the home folder.
[19:39] <ikonia> it doesn't
[19:39] <ikonia> it owns your home folder
[19:39] <ikonia> not the /home folder
[19:40] <BudgetSlug> ikonia: Isn't that how it is setup by default? Root owns /home and the users own their folders (/home$USER)?
[19:40] <ikonia> BudgetSlug: correct
[19:40] <BudgetSlug> ikonia: I was attempting to make /home/bruce/media while being logged into as bruce.
[19:41] <BudgetSlug> ikonia: I shouldn't be prompted to sudo to make a folder then.
[19:41] <ikonia> BudgetSlug: are you doing this on ubuntu or fedora - lets get this clarfied as you're asking in both channels
[19:41] <BudgetSlug> Right now Fedora.
[19:42] <ikonia> BudgetSlug: ok - so take it to the fedora channel please
[19:42] <BudgetSlug> Okay.
[19:42] <ikonia> thanks
[19:51] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, your oneliner works when I test it. Did you copy-paste it from a webpage?
[19:51] <dekatch> yea its a mixture from some online sources suggestions.
[19:52] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, your hyphens may not be the same as the one you are used to on the command line.
[19:52] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, but i want to also rename the file while copying
[19:52] <dekatch> and it doesnt let me
[19:52] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, hmm, let's try this.
[19:54] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, the -t switch expects a directory as it's parameter.
[19:56] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, but there is more... If you try to execute this on your /home directory as source for instance, and leave out the xargs ... bit, what do you get?
[19:57] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, I get: "./.bash_logout"
[19:58] <garrettkajmowicz> Greetings! I'm running into several issues after upgrading my Dad's computer to Ubuntu 16.04LTS. First, starting networking in recovery mode times out, but the logs and status claim success. How would I diagnose this?
[19:58] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, i am running this in folders where i only find picture_roll
[19:58] <ikonia> garrettkajmowicz: why are you using recovery mode
[19:59] <ikonia> that may tell a bigger picture of a proboem
[19:59] <ikonia> problem
[19:59] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, so the -t command. ill play around with it
[20:00] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: Because I'm trying to diagnose why SDDM seems to reject all mouse/keyboard input except for Alt+sysreq combinations.
[20:01] <ikonia> why do you need recovery mode for that ?
[20:01] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, that appears to be a red herring here. There is something else going on. Try chopping the problem into bite-size chunks. Try to look at the products that are piped from one process to another.
[20:02] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: Because I'm unable to do anything else at that point. I can't switch to a virtual console and the NumLock key doesn't change light state. I keep hoping that changing various package combinations will work.
[20:02] <ikonia> changing various package combinations
[20:02] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, na, cant come around this. when i remove -t it still doesnt let me rename
[20:02] <ikonia> so installing software is expected to change your keyboard input problem ?
[20:03] <ikonia> but the keyboard DOES work in recovery mode ?
[20:03] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, true, but why Hmm?
[20:03] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, if i only was as expirienced. i am kinda in learning something by doing more than i actually achieved by myself but by copy and pasta^^
[20:04] <Nitrigaur> If you execute the part before "| xargs (...)"  what do you get as in-between product?
[20:04] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: Keyboard works just fine in recovery mode. No easy way to test the mouse, though. (I'm hoping that a different display manager or video driver might fix the problem)
[20:04] <ikonia> that seems quite a random way to approach it
[20:05] <ikonia> what part of the network is failing to configured correctly ?
[20:05] <dekatch> not that i am not interested. but its so much at a time to do all.
[20:05] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, there is a sub command line entry somehow
[20:05] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, you can learn a lot by copy and pasting if you stop to think about what the line is probably going to do.
[20:05] <ikonia> Nitrigaur: that is a wise word indeed
[20:06] <dekatch> yea i know. it gets me into topics. and ill also write notes to all stuff that ive done to some tutorials folder
[20:07] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: I'm open to any other suggestions you might have.
[20:07] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, what *exactly* do you get as an answer from the command "find . /source/ -maxdepth 1 -type f | head -1"  assuming that you have already substituted the "/source/" directory with one that actually exists on your system ;-)
[20:07] <ikonia> garrettkajmowicz: I'd be looking at the /dev/input device to see if it's taking keystrokes or not
[20:07] <dekatch> no output Nitrigaur
[20:08] <ikonia> garrettkajmowicz: I'd be booting without X to see if the terminal has the same problem or not
[20:08] <ikonia> I certainly wouldn't be installing/removing software randomly
[20:08] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, but it opens some sub command line entry option
[20:08] <dekatch> with a little ">" infront
[20:08] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, ah, so if you have no output, how can your subsequent copy command work on >nothing< ?
[20:08] <ikonia> at worst, boot it with the fail save Xorg driver
[20:08] <ikonia> ssh in
[20:08] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: How would I boot without X? Disable sddm?
[20:09] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, if i run the command including | xargs. it outputs the file it has found
[20:09] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, that is a sign that you did not terminate your command line yet. It expects some more.
[20:10] <dekatch> uhm, tbh Nitrigaur that command is lil bit over the top for me at all. i couldnt have fiddled that together all by myself. originally this one was formatted to move 1000 files. and it didnt had /source/ and /destination/ in it.
[20:10] <Nitrigaur> dekatch does it? Really. Think of it this way. If you put nothing in the pipe at the front end, it cannot emit anything useful on the other end.
[20:10] <ikonia> garrettkajmowicz: thats a good option yes
[20:11] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: The network appears to configure correctly. It just times out with an error first.
[20:11] <ikonia> garrettkajmowicz: so it does work then
[20:12] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, you are almost there. Leave out the pipe '|' symbol, so you only get "find . [source dir] -maxdepth 1 -type f | head -1"
[20:12] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, well, the -maxdepth 1 not sure that one is totally useless i guess. i found some ls | sort -n | head -1 command. so that "maxdepth" maybe totally unrelated
[20:13] <max_> hello
[20:13] <dekatch> that ls command doesnt have -maxdepth specified and yet it outputs the first folder or file it finds
[20:13] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, maybe in this case, but there are plenty of cases where that option is quite relevant.
[20:14] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: The thing times out and tells me to look at the status, which shows success  https://photos.app.goo.gl/clqqbUfGhIwhHjlH3
[20:15] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, what the first command before the first pipe does is to find all files of type "file" in the directory that comes after it.
[20:15] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: Booting into normal mode without sddm seems to work fine. At least the keyboard at the console is working.
[20:15] <timofonic> Hello
[20:15] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, the "head -1" simply shows the first line of that output
[20:18] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, i may miss something here, so i left out the pipe symbol. and yet it displays that one file that its supposed to find
[20:18] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, and that is why you get the first file of type "normal file" in the directory that you ask it to look at, yet it also adds a small prefix that will throw the rest of the line off kilter.
[20:19] <dekatch> so i will now try to workout a combination without xargs. i guess it could work
[20:19] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, that is not the issue here. The issue is the unwanted prefix. Look back a couple of lines at the output I got and think...
[20:19] <dekatch> nah, totally off xd
[20:20] <garrettkajmowicz> ikonia: Starting sddm at that point puts me in a condition where I have a blinking GUI password box, but no keyboard responsiveness or mouse cursor.
[20:20] <explosive> what're you trying to do dekatch ?
[20:21] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, I'll help you along: My output of "find . /home/ -maxdepth 1 -type f | head -1" was: ./.bash_logout
[20:21] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: Try doing Alt+Ctrl+F2 then immediately back to the GUI with Alt+F7 - see if the dialog then has input focus
[20:21] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, lol. i thought of an easy command combination without xargs. find . [...] cp /dest/file.ext
[20:22] <timofonic> Anyone knows a better document/program to look for Linux kernel boot parameters? Linux kernel official /Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt lacks details (go to read XX for more information everywhere) and a proper structure to locate them easily. It may make sense to programmers and a parser (the document seems somewhat generated from my POV), but not to average users that need to fight with bad
[20:22] <timofonic> hardware and specially laptops (ACPI with a very broken ACPI table I want to dumb and decompile and show somewhere, Optimus, Nvidia proprietary (but the only usable, Nouveau project lacks funding and official support... but Nvidia is like ImgTec and other IP greedy ones) drivers, debugging quirks...) :P
[20:22] <dekatch> never mind that xx do not comment this. i am at that riddle you threw at me.
[20:22] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Alt+Ctrl+F2 doesn't switch to another console.
[20:22] <dekatch> but i dont find anyting odd tbh Nitrigaur xx
[20:23] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: hmmm, does any key cause a response?
[20:23] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, it's the dot '.' slash '/' at the beginning
[20:23] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: this sounds like an issue where plymouth 'steals'/keeps the console input when it should be released
[20:23] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, they stand for the directory you issue the command from ...
[20:24] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, but that is not what you want, now is it? You want the copy command to start at the directory [source directory] , don't you?
[20:25] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, oh well uhmkay, so thats the only thing thats possinle now is that the . dot is wrong
[20:25] <dekatch> as said that command was originally written for something else. let me try that without the dot
[20:25] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, I'm using BNF-nototation here. the brackets denote a variable here
[20:25] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I previously removed plymouth in hopes that would address the issue. Caps Lock/Num Lock get no response, but Alt-SysReq-B does.
[20:26] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, the dot after find is fine, but the result from "find . /home -maxdepth 1 -type f" is not.
[20:28] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: OK, so the kernel is seeing input then! It does sound as if the x server input config is broken
[20:28] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, so you'll need a way to output only the filename and *not* the directory, even if that directory is a relative directory pointing to the directory from which you issue the command.
[20:28] <dekatch> Nitrigaur, uhm well, if i run this command in /home/ it outputs my user
[20:29] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: are you able to SSH into this PC from another?
[20:29] <dekatch> wouldnt have thought of that, i assume thats the reason why cp wouldnt let me rename ok.
[20:29] <dekatch> ill try to tackle to let "find" only display files but not directories
[20:29] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, you mean your home directory? That should not happen, because you asked the find command to find a normal file (i.e. not a directory)
[20:29] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Not configured to do that. So I can't easily try.
[20:30] <dekatch> you are confusing me Nitrigaur :)
[20:30] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, that's what the -f switch is for, try "man find" to learn more.
[20:30] <dekatch> and uhm right, your right. it didnt output anything gosh
[20:31] <dekatch> i am so confused already
[20:31] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: How else can we go about this?
[20:31] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: OK, then I'd suggest reboot, hit Escape to get the GRUB boot menu, highlight the 1st entry, press E to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ..." and add to the end the option "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" then press Ctrl+X to boot with that option immediately.
[20:32] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: that'll start the system normally but will NOT start the GUI. THen, if you've got keyboard input at consoles we can start to figure out what is going on
[20:32] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Do you mean the line starting "kernel ..."?
[20:32] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: no, the line starting "linux "
[20:33] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I have no line starting "linux ". However, I manually disabled sddm in recovery mode so it boots up to a usable prompt with no X running.
[20:33] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: it'll look *similiar* to this "linux   /vmlinuz-4.13.0-22-lowlatency root=/dev/mapper/VG_OS-ubuntu_16.04_rootfs ro ..."
[20:33] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: Ahhh, OK, that's the same thing then
[20:33] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, a hint, when you do look up the manpage of find, try searching for -type      ( You do this by pressing '/' while reading the manpage and typing the string you want to search for, in this case "-type" (minus the quotes)
[20:34] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I have a line "kernel /vmlinuz-4.10.0 ...."
[20:34] <lordcirth> I think "kernel" is the old syntax
[20:34] <TJ-> lordcirth: yeah, that's the old GRUB1 syntax I think
[20:34] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: which version did you release-upgrade from?
[20:35] <adder> how do I enable the bleep and bloop bell in ubuntu
[20:35] <adder> with echo $'\a'
[20:35] <adder> it's not bleepblooping
[20:35] <adder> how do I enable the bell?
[20:35] <TJ-> adder: "echo -e "..."
[20:36] <adder> TJ-: nothing
[20:36] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I spent the past 2 days doing LTS upgrades starting from 8.x. I have some choice words for the people who consider this to be "enterprise-ready", but I'll save those until things work again.
[20:38] <garrettkajmowicz> lordcirth: Yeah - I don't think I was prompted to move to grub2 at any point.
[20:39] <garrettkajmowicz> Though I don't think that would fix this issue.
[20:39] <DrManhattan> forced?
[20:39] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, here you go: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5456120/how-to-only-get-file-name-with-linux-find         I suggest the printf option.
[20:41] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, a helpful line in the find manpage "%f     File's  name  with  any leading directories removed (only the last element)."
[20:42] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: well, release upgrading through 4 releases was it, I'd expect a lot of problems
[20:43] <Nitrigaur> dekatch, try to find that line, adapt the script accordingly and it will accomplish what you think it will do (provided there are no errors in the line I haven't spotted).
[20:43] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: some inherited configuration has likely caused confusion along the way
[20:43] <Neo2> what would be better for web development linux on vmware or dualboot?
[20:43] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I'd expect everything to work smoothly. :-) How do I diagnose from here?
[20:43] <lordcirth> garrettkajmowicz, wait, from 8.04 to 17.10?
[20:43] <TJ-> adder: are you using a terminal multipler such as screen or tmux whilst trying to use the bel ?
[20:44] <lordcirth> er, to 16.04?  That is way outside supported
[20:44] <adder> TJ-: no sir
[20:44] <Nitrigaur> garrettkajmowicz, that would be quite an achievement though.
[20:44] <Nitrigaur> lordcirth, ^
[20:44] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" show ?
[20:44] <adder> also I'm looking for machine internal bleep yknow
[20:44] <Neo2> I installed doalboot and then have removed, and now again think about do it or not...
[20:44] <alkisg> Yeah, similar to *upgading* (not reinstalling) from windows 2000 to windows 10 :)
[20:44] <TJ-> adder: you have to ensure the pcspkr module is loaded "sudo modprobe pcspkr"
[20:45] <Neo2> What is the best for web development? I'm going to learn node.js
[20:45] <adder> TJ-: like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC9gIibyHYY
[20:45] <adder> TJ-: I did that
[20:45] <garrettkajmowicz> lordcirth: I did it one LTS release at a time. I didn't do it as a single jump.
[20:45] <adder> TJ-: I mean modprobe ...
[20:46] <TJ-> adder: try "tput bel"
[20:46] <adder> TJ-: nothing
[20:46] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: root=UUID=<UUID> ro quiet splash
[20:47] <Nitrigaur> garrettkajmowicz, in theory it should work, however you run the risk of carrying along a lot of legacy cruft from version to version (even between LTS versions) Especially if you had to troubleshoot issues by editing config. files and so.
[20:48] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: Hmmm, OK, there's a possible issue there. nowadays the GUI is run on tty7 and to prevent excessive screen flicker during boot the option "vt.handoff=7" is usually added by the installer
[20:48] <garrettkajmowicz> Nitrigaur: I haven't had to edit much in terms of config files. Thinks mostly just worked. And we *should* expect them to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DufnT2LnHWk
[20:49] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Can I get that behavior while starting the sddm service from the command line?
[20:50] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: that's done by GRUB2 scripts in /etc/grub.d/ - if the PC is still using GRUB1 as it seems that's one issue that needs resolving
[20:51] <Nitrigaur> garrettkajmowicz, true, but even if you still have the install media of the LTS versions in between, you have the disadvantage that you get updates anymore for the versions in between, except 14.04. I can't think of any servers that still host the 12.04 files...
[20:51] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: no, that's just for boot-time. For manually starting sddm it is not needed - I'm just pointing it out so you know it's a TODO job (upgrading GRUB1 to GRUB2 - there's release-notes for either 12.04 or 14.04 mentioning that but sounds like you've gone through those without doing it
[20:51] <adder> any ideas, TJ-? if not, thanks for the help so far
[20:52] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: so, next thing is to check if you have a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[20:52] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: that might have specific input config that nowadays is done automatically
[20:53] <TJ-> adder: I can't think of anything; it's down to what the terminal supports. check what "Echo $TERM" reports
[20:54] <TJ-> adder: are you using a GUI terminal emulator?
[20:54] <adder> TJ-: xterm-256color
[20:54] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I believe that when I set this up, auto-everything X had just been introduced (thankfully). So I have no xorg.conf, though I have a .failesafe and .backup version.
[20:54] <Nitrigaur> garrettkajmowicz, good luck bringing your system up-to-date and in a working state. ikonia, TJ-, thank you as always for your excellent advice :-)
[20:54] <adder> TJ-: default terminal on xubuntu
[20:54] <Nitrigaur> I'm hitting the hay.
[20:54] <garrettkajmowicz> Nitrigaur: I second that statement.
[20:55] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: well that's a help! Is there a log created by sddm under /var/log/sddm* ?
[20:56] <TJ-> adder: hmmm, some GUI terminal emulators have an option in their preferences to enable/disable the audible bell - have you checked for that?
[20:57] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: sddm.log is 0 bytes in length.
[21:00] <adder> TJ-: yes, no sign of 'bel' nor 'sound' nor 'audio' nor similar :/
[21:00] <multifractal_> JackWinter: `ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/wine-development/libwinecrt0.a(exe_entry.o)) to format elf32-i386 (lin-vst-server32.kxxn0f.o) is not supported` is what it tells me when I try to build this https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst/blob/master/Makefile-embed6432
[21:02] <TJ-> adder: I can't make it 'ding' here either but I'm working inside tmux, which may be snatching the escape code itself
[21:02] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: how about /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[21:03] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: if the PC has network do "sudo apt install pastebinit" then show us the Xorg log with "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[21:03] <adder> TJ-: nevermind, I asked in #xfce maybe someone knows. if not, I'm going to open a thread on askubuntu
[21:05] <adder> weird
[21:05] <adder> bell_mode is on
[21:05] <adder> http://i.imgur.com/FwN1lQz.png
[21:07] <Acheron-a> adder, what DE is that?
[21:07] <Acheron-a> well i mean distro/DE
[21:08] <adder> Acheron-a: xubuntu
[21:08] <Acheron-a> ahh, with Elementary Icons, thanks
[21:09] <adder> I thought you were going to help me >.>
[21:10] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26273991/
[21:11] <garrettkajmowicz> Lots of lines about ignored input which could do it. I'm just surprised that it would be ignored.
[21:12] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: whilst I digest that can you also show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[21:14] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: right, this is the line we apparently need to focus on: "config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event2)"
[21:16] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: dmesg output from this boot (where it hasn't locked up): https://paste.ubuntu.com/26274026/
[21:16] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: on mine, that report is followed by "(**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
[21:17] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: and "(II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'"
[21:17] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: so let's check if your system has the 'evdev' libraries
[21:18] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: show us "pastebinit <( dpkg -l '*evdev*' | grep ^ii )"
[21:19] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Looking though the package list there's a large list of uninstalled versions of that package.
[21:20] <adder> "I've encountered this problem before. From what I remember, the problem is that the terminal bell tries to ring an internal computer speaker (as in an old-school desktop) but laptops and some newer computers are missing such a thing."
[21:20] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Only libevdev2 is installed
[21:21] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: we're getting warmer... have you installed the 'hwe' kernels and xorg modules?
[21:21] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: the kernel version shown indicates (4.10) that the kernel is a hwe version
[21:21] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Not intentionally?
[21:22] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: show me "pastebinit <( dpkg -l 'linux-image*' )"
[21:23] <Acheron-a> adder, i'm sorry i had a phone call and don't have the answer to the bell question
[21:24] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: the standard 16.04 kernel is v4.4 so I think you've got 16.04.3 which moves to the 4.10 kernel
[21:24] <TJ-> !hwe
[21:25] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Enjoy:   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26274076/
[21:26] <garrettkajmowicz> Apparently I have regular and non hwe images installed at the same version. That can't be good ...
[21:26] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: bingo, yes, you do: "linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 " so now do this: "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 "
[21:26] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: it's fine; you can have 100 kernel versions installed if you've got the space, only 1 boots :)
[21:27] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: apt-get didn't perform any actions.
[21:28] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: which means all that should be installed, but you said only evdev2 was shown by dpkg -l
[21:28] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Right.
[21:28] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: double-check it: you should see this is installed (ii): "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-evdev-hwe-16.04"
[21:31] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Nope. Not listed. aptitude shows it as a dependency, too, state 'p'. Is there a good way to install all of these dependencies?
[21:31] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: the apt install command that did nothing!
[21:31] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: try "sudo apt install --install-recommends ii  xserver-xorg-input-evdev-hwe-16.04"
[21:32] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: oops, typo!  "sudo apt install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-input-evdev-hwe-16.04"
[21:33] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Installing stuff. Would I be better off getting away from the hwe versions?
[21:33] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: NO! HWE is the backporting of newer drivers to the 16.04 long term support release
[21:35] <TigerMonarchy> Hey all. I'm getting a lot of 'device not ready' errors and disconnects of my Wifi. I have the wireless script output in a pastebin if anyone can help.
[21:35] <TigerMonarchy> Thank you.
[21:35] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Cool. I might not be back to my parents' place for another 8 years and need maximal support. :-)
[21:36] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: something may be wrong with that system's package lists, because xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 depends > xserver-xorg-input-all-hwe-16.04 depends >  xserver-xorg-input-evdev-hwe-16.04  ... so that should have been installed
[21:36] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: if packages have installed retest sddm now
[21:37] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: This appears to have worked at least somewhat. I now have a mouse and working keyboard. And I get to the KDE desktop. But clicking on anything doesn't do anything.
[21:37] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Is there a way to rebuild the package list?
[21:39] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: well, "apt update" fetches the lists. Maybe you should delete all the lists and re-run that command in case there is some corruption? "sudo find /var/lib/apt/lists -type f -delete" then "sudo apt update"
[21:40] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: and after that do "sudo apt full-upgrade" then "sudo apt autoremove"
[21:41] <Sazpaimon> I'm having an issue where X isn't starting for me all of a sudden. I grepped my Xorg.0.log file for EE and found that it can't load the nvidia or nouveau drivers because they don't exist. That's fine, since it should be using my integrated graphics anyway
[21:41] <Sazpaimon> but I can't seem to find where X is trying to load those modules
[21:42] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: check $HOME/.xsession-errors; also ensure your user is the owner of $HOME/.Xauthority
[21:42] <alkisg> pastebin that xorg.0.log.old
[21:42] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: also ensure the system has some free space: "df -h"
[21:43] <alkisg> Is it possible that some kernel was misconfigured or semi-removed?
[21:44] <Sazpaimon> TJ-, somehow .Xauthority wasn't chowned to me, but I still can't start lightdm with that fixed
[21:45] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Everything is downloaded, but no additional packages were downloaded/removed.
[21:46] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: any other files in $HOME not owned by the user?
[21:46] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: Good.
[21:46] <TigerMonarchy> I think I have two different wifi drivers causing conflict and the 'device not ready' state, but I don't know how to blacklist the one that I don't use anymore.
[21:46] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: so now check $HOME/.xsession-errors for per-user clues regarding KDE issues
[21:47] <Sazpaimon> TJ-, looks like .dbus was another culprit, still no dice though
[21:47] <Sazpaimon> should I be restarting the lightdm service as root?
[21:48] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service" is usual
[21:49] <Sazpaimon> yeah still nothing. .xsession-errors doesn't exist
[21:49] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: check /var/log/lightdm/ logs for clues
[21:50] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: but it does sound like permissions are at the root of the problem
[21:50] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: is the user's $HOME encrypted?
[21:51] <Sazpaimon> my whole drive is
[21:51] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: that's FDE; I'm on about user home directory encryption using ecryptfs. If it is, you'll have a /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/ directory
[21:51] <Sazpaimon> yeah I don't
[21:52] <Sazpaimon> just using standard luks
[21:52] <Sazpaimon> my /var/log/lightdm folder is chowned by root with all the files 600. Is that normal?
[21:53] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: yes; use sudo to list/read those logs
[21:53] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: making any progress with KDE desktop?
[21:54] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Not really. I thought I had a lead, but it looks like a dead end. Here's the .xsession-errors file.
[21:54] <garrettkajmowicz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26274221/
[21:54] <Sazpaimon> I don't see anything that immediately pops out at me, just a lot of DEBUG level lessages in lightdm.log
[21:54] <Sazpaimon> and x-0.log just shows X starting and then immediately starting with no error
[21:55] <Sazpaimon> oh, I think I see what it might be
[21:55] <Sazpaimon> I upgraded synergy to 2.0, but I had the 1.x client set up to run on the greeter
[21:55] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: could it be that modern KDE is just to resource-hungry? how about trying LUbuntu-desktop with "sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop" - once installed, at the greeter log-in screen use the cog icon to choose the Lubuntu session instead of KDE/Plasma
[21:56] <Sazpaimon> Im guessing that's preventing the greeter from showing and causing lightdm to crash and burn
[21:57] <Sazpaimon> yep, removing synergyc from the greeter-setup-script fixed it
[21:58] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I don't think so. I have it running in that state right now (yay - I can switch consoles) and the load avg is 0.00. free shows 2g of ram available.
[21:58] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: BRB AFK
[21:58] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: 2nd option - create a new user and log-in as that for KDE - it won't inherit any 'old' KDE settings from previous version. If that works you know where the issue lies
[21:58] <xorpad> is there a proper ubuntu way to install a new python version? like I know it uses some python environment manager
[21:58] <TJ-> Sazpaimon: nice detecive work :)
[22:01] <Dagronmaster> xorpad: newer than python3.5?
[22:01] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: in .xsession-errors I see several "New Notification:  "KWin Window Manager" "Desktop effects were restarted due to a graphics reset" -1 & Part of: 0" which indicates KDE is having problems, as well as several "BadWindow" reports
[22:02] <Errno>  Hi, I am experiencing an issue running python on ubuntu vm. The error message received is Python socket.error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe. Can anyone provide any guidance? Thanks
[22:04] <Dagronmaster> Errno:  you're trying to write to a socket after the other side closed the connection
[22:06] <Errno>  Dagronmaster, I am working on a class project. Since this is a client server, can I check for anything or address a timeout limitation? thanks
[22:07] <Errno> My question is are there checks I can make on the client side?
[22:07] <Dagronmaster> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/180095/how-to-handle-a-broken-pipe-sigpipe-in-python/180922#180922
[22:07] <Dagronmaster> That's somewhat old, so I don't know how relevant it is
[22:08] <Errno> I appreciate the direction.
[22:11] <TigerMonarchy> Hi all. I could really use some help with this wifi issue. I know I have two different wifi connections causing conflict, and my wifi drops at random times into a 'device not ready' state. If anyone could help, I would be very grateful. I'm on Xfce with Ubuntu 17.04.
[22:17] <xorpad> Dagronmaster, yes, 3.6.4
[22:17] <xorpad> on lts
[22:18] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I created a new user and had a similar experience.
[22:18] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: OK, try lubuntu-desktop since that'll not suffer any upgrade-library issues that may be affecting KDE
[22:19] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: I've found the KDE5 plasma on older GPUs like that struggles because of all the effects the desktop appies by default
[22:20] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Graphics I'll believe. Because clearly I need my notepad text to be subtly 3d rendered.  :-P
[22:21] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: you could try disabling desktop effects I guess
[22:21] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: By selecting the non-clickable menu?  :-)
[22:21] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: I need to run and grab dinner. I'll be back in a bit. Hopefully the install will be done by then, too.
[22:22] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: use hot keys
[22:22] <TJ-> (now you've got a keyboard!)
[22:24] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: Alt+Shift+F12 enable/disable desktop effects
[22:24] <chalcedony> TJ-, good evening are people around that can help with the router's dns?
[22:24] <serdar> cheers
[22:24] <TJ-> chalcedony: possibly, although you may find ##networking channel could be of more help
[22:25] <chalcedony> TJ-, in theory. i never found help there
[22:26] <serdar> since one of the last updates I have a lot issues with dns resolving. Is this a common issue?
[22:30] <kenrin> There was an issue in 17 that had some DNS problems.  That has been quite a while ago
[22:32] <TJ-> chalcedony: what make/model is the router?
[22:32] <gambl0re> h #javascript
[22:32] <gambl0re> hello?
[22:34] <XXCoder> you certainly is impatent person.
[22:34] <serdar> kenrin, 17.10 or 17.04 already?
[22:35] <kenrin> 17.04
[22:39] <serdar> hmm
[22:41] <dekatch> hi, some generic question. is it necessary to run sleep command between cp commands when ran from an script? like e.g. if i cp some 1GB file, does the script jump right to the next command? or does it wait the copy process?
[22:42] <_KaszpiR_> it waits
[22:42] <pizzaburger> Hi! Is there a good way to manage/organize browser bookmakrs in Ubuntu? I'm currently using the default firefox manager
[22:42] <kenrin> It runs one after another until it is done or errors out
[22:42] <dekatch> promising thank you
[22:43] <rypervenche> dekatch: You can have the cp command run in the background so that the next command starts right away though.
[22:44] <dekatch> would want to avoid that actually. i was not so flattered to guess an good sleep amount. so i am exactly fine with that it first finish an current ongoing cp process
[22:44] <dekatch> but ill note that down rypervenche :)
[22:54] <hd> hi all
[22:55] <hd> how can i istall wise
[22:55] <hd> wine sorry
[22:55] <hd> softwarecenter dont work
[22:55] <kenrin> apt install wine?
[22:56] <hd> mom
[22:57] <hd> as root_
[22:57] <kenrin> root or sudo, yes
[22:58] <hd> E: Für Paket »wine« existiert kein Installationskandidat.
[22:58] <hd> E: Für Paket »wine« existiert kein Installationskandidat.
[22:58] <hd> sudo apt install wine __
[22:59] <kenrin> Enable universe repo
[22:59] <hd> new on linux >(
[22:59] <kenrin> search in the menu for software and updates
[22:59] <hd> okaz
[22:59] <wlp2s0> Ubuntu Chinese forum is broken, who will repair it?
[22:59] <kenrin> There should be a checkbox for universe "community-maintained free and open-source software"
[23:00] <implite_> ubottu wine
[23:02] <hd> ok i know but cant install it
[23:02] <hd> what is the easzst waz to install utorrent
[23:02] <lordcirth> hd, apt install wine-stable, or wine-development
[23:02] <hd> ok thx
[23:02] <lordcirth> hd, don't, install transmission or deluge instead
[23:02] <SimonNL> hd: does this help you any?  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/how-to-add-wine-repository-ubuntu
[23:04] <hd> just one moment i will try
[23:05] <hd> is a rassperz pi 2 to slow for linux mate !@#$%^&*()__++
[23:21] <tony__> anyone else besides me using z-shell
[23:22] <adder> #zsh
[23:23] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: lubuntu seems to be working.
[23:23] <tony__> what font are you using adder
[23:24] <adder> font?
[23:24] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: so, some KDE issue due to the upgrade from KDE v-2.5 to v+5.3 ? :P
[23:25] <tony__> I tried inconsolata with this laptop but all I get is the % sign
[23:25] <adder> im not using zsh mate im telling you there's a room full of people who use it -> #zsh
[23:26] <tony__> oh, sorry thanks
[23:29] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Maybe. And I'm running out of time on this visit to get my Dad's computer working. I'm downloading a netboot installer I can burn to CD and will attempt to re-install.
[23:31] <Pinkamena_D> Hi All, I notice when I extract a zip or tar in the downloads directory for example, the resulting folder always goes to some strange location in date order view, presumably because the contents were edited at random times. Is it possible for the zip uncompression to set the date on the folder to the current date when it extracts?
[23:36] <matheusoliveira> hey
[23:38] <rypervenche> Well, I found unzip -D for Pinkamea_D, but left :P
[23:38] <luxio> Does Wayland support multiple monitors?
[23:39] <lordcirth> rypervenche, I think he wanted a graphical way anyway
[23:39] <rypervenche> Ah, well we can't have everything :P
[23:42] <hd> good night
[23:47] <Neo2> how to install other desktops on ubuntu? I want to check a few
[23:47] <Neo2> gnome and kde
[23:49] <kenrin> Install 'em like any other package neo2
[23:50] <kenrin> "apt install kubuntu-desktop" as an example