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[01:54] <jk^> hi all
[01:54] <jk^> i'm trying xubuntu
[01:54] <jk^> but it often is slow :(
[01:54] <jk^> i don't know if the problems are the no-official drive, or what :\
[02:17] <jk^> is there in xubuntu a log of what i see during starting up?
[06:01] <flocculant> jk^: no idea what no-official drive means, check /var/log for various logs and also journalctl
[06:02] <jk^> ehm excuse for my english
[06:02] <jk^> i mean
[06:03] <jk^> i just installed xubuntu but after i had not installed audio drivers, video drivers and ethernet drivers like i did on windows...
[06:04] <jk^> i guess i have to install driver downloaded from official site such as "Intel (for video card), HP for audio card and official site of my usb-ethernet adapter)
[06:04] <flocculant> that's because in windows you need to install that stuff - I sometimes install a graphics driver, never the other 2
[06:05] <flocculant> if there is a graphics driver available for you it will be in Additional Drivers in the Settings menu
[06:06] <flocculant> open a terminal and run top - leave it running, when you think the machine is slow - look at top and see what's the first process
[06:10] <flocculant> also of course it could be slow because low ram, slow cpu
[06:11] <jk^> where i found "top"?
[06:11] <jk^> i prefer gui way
[06:11] <flocculant> just type top in the terminal and then enter
[06:26] <jk^> flocculant, i did it
[06:26] <jk^> but isn't there another way to open this "top"?
[06:27] <jk^> i prefer gui way :\ in terminal i have too much fear to do wrong, error
[06:27] <jk^> however flocculant i have problem even with archive manager
[06:29] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dEUp2r1yoNFog-pfVGTfK6pF4EJXTP5K/view?usp=sharing
[06:29] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ezzAz0mCP0C_DYldM23nY59MlzgqhgtV/view?usp=sharing
[06:47] <jk^> however flocculant i tupe "top" in terminal but i don't understand anything about what i see
[06:47] <jk^> :\
[07:16] <flocculant> jk^: no idea about the archive manager - don't understand what it says
[07:17] <jk^> i translate for you
[07:17] <flocculant> didn't expect you to understand top - you just need to know what the first process is when the machine slows down
[07:17] <flocculant> and also - you've not said what spec the machine is
[07:19] <jk^> 1,4 GHz Celeron M; 2 GB RAM;
[07:19] <jk^> flocculant,
[07:19] <jk^> i read the reccomendend system requirements, it should be run on this machien
[07:19] <jk^> machine
[07:22] <flocculant> yea it will run - not the fastest experience though
[07:22] <jk^> i went in "Sotware"->"Utility"->"Archivation"
[07:22] <jk^> but there isn't app like file roller or ark
[07:22] <jk^> :\
[07:22] <jk^> they don't appers
[07:22] <jk^> appears
[07:22] <flocculant> it's in Accessories
[07:22] <flocculant> oh
[07:23] <flocculant> what is Sotware"->"Utility"->"Archivation ?
[07:23] <jk^> ok but sometimes, the experience is not the fastest but it's properly very slow :-o
[07:23] <jk^> eh
[07:23] <jk^> software
[07:23] <flocculant> is that the software app?
[07:23] <jk^> the app to install and unistall apps
[07:23] <jk^> utility is an its section
[07:23] <flocculant> oh right - there is an archive tool installed
[07:24] <jk^> and after there is the section of the archive manager apps
[07:24] <jk^> but it doesn't appear anything
[07:24] <flocculant> yea ok - understand that
[07:24] <jk^> yes but the default app, give me error messages
[07:24] <flocculant> sigh
[07:25] <flocculant> which you've screenshot in google (again) in some language - sorry bud but I can read English
[07:26] <flocculant> try the italian channel - which you know about :)
[07:28] <jk^> "It happens an error during the archive loading - "Fatal error"
[07:29] <jk^> in the other image is the same
[07:29] <jk^> messages
[07:29] <jk^> except for "UTF-8 error"
[07:41] <jk^> flocculant, i'm trying also to search for "ark" or "roller" in the Software's searchbox, but it doesn't appears anything, i need to open those archive, in them there are many important information i can't lose :( pls help me
[07:46] <bazhang> jk^, how many channels are you crossposting to now
[07:46] <bazhang> please don't
[07:46]  * flocculant wanders off
[07:49] <jk^> i'm looking for someone can help me
[07:49] <jk^> :\ i need those info included in those archives :(
[07:51] <Maxis> Asking again and again won't help, just wait, someone might come back and know how to help you. It's understood that you urgently need whatever is in them, but knowing that doesn't help anybody know what to do.
[07:52] <bazhang> jk^, it's a holiday weekend, so patience is a must
[07:53] <Maxis> From Christmas to New Year's, things will always be slow.
[07:53] <bazhang> jk^, if you need very immediate help, you might check out a ubuntu loco or lug
[07:54] <bazhang> yep, with around a week on either side
[07:56] <flocculant> jk^: if you have an error with the archive with one tool - you're likely to have the same issue with others
[07:56] <flocculant> you've given no-one any real information about the problem - just 2 very generic pictures
[07:56] <bazhang> jk^, if you tell us what region you are in, we might point you to a local channel or linux users group
[07:57] <flocculant> getting help in linux is a 2 way thing - you give us info - we try to help
[07:57] <flocculant> bazhang: italian - at least they talk italian in the #u-it channel
[07:57] <flocculant> which they know about
[07:57] <jk^> ok
[07:58] <jk^> thanks a lot
[07:58] <jk^> i'll wait
[07:58] <bazhang> flocculant, yeah the two bits of info he showed were not very helpful at all
[07:58] <flocculant> bazhang: yup
[07:59] <bazhang> jk^, waiting wont create new answers until you give very detailed info
[07:59] <jk^> however i don't know which kind of info give you
[07:59] <jk^> i use linux since 4-5 days
[07:59] <jk^> :\
[07:59] <jk^> i have to be disintossicated from windows
[07:59] <jk^> :\
[08:00] <bazhang> jk^, you some hdd/usb stick or what with info you MUST Have
[08:01] <jk^> i have to detoxify myself from windows :P
[08:01] <jk^> excuse for my english
[08:01] <bazhang> jk^, did you wish to chat or get help here
[08:02] <jk^> get help by chatting
[08:02] <jk^> how to gather detailed info do u need?
[08:02] <bazhang> jk^, you have had that count for several months
[08:02] <bazhang> but you say 4-5 days
[08:03] <jk^> yes, i installed few days ago
[08:03] <jk^> before i had to resolve many other problems
[08:03] <jk^> even problems in my life
[08:03] <bazhang> jk^, I *just* asked a question above
[08:03] <jk^> i don't understand, excuse me
[08:03] <jk^> <bazhang> jk^, you some hdd/usb stick or what with info you MUST Have
[08:04] <jk^> this?
[08:04] <bazhang> jk^, HDD oe USB stick or what
[08:04] <jk^> now the os is installed on hdd
[08:04] <jk^> before i just tried it on usb
[08:04] <jk^> just to try
[08:04] <bazhang> the info you must retrieve and need NOW is where
[08:04] <jk^> after i installed it
[08:04] <jk^> ahhhhhhhhhh
[08:05] <jk^> the archives is on an external hd
[08:05] <bazhang> jk^, was it a windows ntfs hard drive
[08:05] <jk^> yes
[08:06] <bazhang> jk^, what happened when you connected it to a windows computer
[08:06] <jk^> autoplay
[08:06] <jk^> and it ask me what to do
[08:06] <jk^> i open it by file manager
[08:06] <bazhang> jk^, so the files are all movies, music and so on
[08:07] <jk^> even documents, photo
[08:07] <jk^> software
[08:07] <bazhang> yes
[08:07] <bazhang> so they work great with connecting to a windows computer
[08:10] <bazhang> jk^, dont think about software, windows software is not going to just run on a ubuntu computer, lets focus on getting the documents/movies/music/photos
[08:12] <bazhang> jk^, is the problem that you cannot get them, OR is the problem that they will not autoplay on your ubuntu computer
[08:13] <bazhang> jk^, are you still there?
[08:13] <bazhang> jk^, can you understand what I am asking?
[08:16] <jk^> yes, they work great even in xubuntu
[08:17] <bazhang> jk^, you didnt answer what I was asking
[08:17] <jk^> wait, i have to read again
[08:17] <jk^> my poor english
[08:17] <bazhang> jk^, works on windows computer yes or no
[08:18] <jk^> ok documents, movies, music, photos work great... i know the software file will not run in linux, for examper .exe file... that's not a problem...
[08:19] <bazhang> jk^, sorry I cannot help as you will not even answer the most basic things I am asking you
[08:19] <jk^> external hd autoplay even in ubuntu
[08:19] <jk^> to browse it by file manager
[08:19] <jk^> my problem is with archives
[08:19] <jk^> for the precision, now i'm having problems with .rar
[08:19] <bazhang> jk^, the archive sounds corrupted
[08:20] <bazhang> jk^, so it's some kind of file-sharing rar that wont open for you
[08:20] <jk^> what corrupt them? :-o
[08:21] <jk^> before i uninstall windows and install xubuntu they works
[08:21] <bazhang> jk^, that happens sometimes when downloading things on the internet
[08:21] <jk^> and i don't do any operation on them
[08:21] <bazhang> jk^, so get  another one
[08:24] <flocculant> rarely use archives - but does file-roller actually support .rar files?
[08:25] <bazhang> I just get 'unp'
[08:25] <bazhang> that handles it all
[08:25] <flocculant> :)
[08:25] <flocculant> never heard of that - thanks bazhang :)
[08:25] <bazhang> np!
[08:26] <flocculant> that says "blah blah "unrar-nonfree" ..."
[08:26] <bazhang> jk^, so you cannot get something.something.rar to open
[08:26] <flocculant> looking at synaptic - file-roller doesn't appear to support rar
[08:27] <bazhang> and it's likely some drm/pw-prtected thing
[08:27] <jk^> what is synaptic?
[08:27] <bazhang> jk^, what is the rar of
[08:27] <flocculant> jk^: don't worry about synaptic
[08:28] <jk^> please i hope you understand my difficult, i use xubuntu since few days, after about 20 year of bill gates dipendence
[08:28] <flocculant> sigh
[08:28] <flocculant> that shouldn't stop you answering questions
[08:28] <bazhang> jk^, please just answer what I ask
[08:28] <jk^> so now i have to accustom tu linux world
[08:29] <flocculant> stop it
[08:29] <bazhang> jk^, what is the RAR of
[08:30] <jk^> i don't know what is synaptic... and RAR is a simple file with several file within it bazhang
[08:30] <jk^> with password
[08:31] <dax> as far as .rar files go: if unrar from ultiverse doesn't work, you're screwed on Linux pretty much
[08:31] <jk^> there's even personal text document
[08:31] <bazhang> jk^, it's corrupt, file-roller wont help, get another copy
[08:31] <dax> it's a crap file format with a bunch of stupid extensions that aren't supported by random unarchivers
[08:31] <dax> s/ultiverse/multiverse/
[08:31] <dax> so if you don't have a Windows handy to use WinRar to get it open... too bad
[08:31] <bazhang> !ultimatix
[08:31] <ubottu> Ultamatix is not recommended, supported, or needed by Ubuntu.  Use of this software may cause damage to your Ubuntu install.  Do not suggest its use in this channel. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/99905.html and !automatix for more info.
[08:31] <bazhang> haha
[08:31] <flocculant> 0_0
[08:32] <flocculant> lol - not seen that for a long time
[08:32] <bazhang> that slipped by somehow
[08:32] <flocculant> :)
[08:34] <flocculant> jk^: enable Multiverse in Software & Updates (it's in the Settings menu) then close that and reload when it tells you
[08:34] <flocculant> then you will be able to install unrar, sudo apt install unrar
[08:34] <flocculant> then use that
[08:34] <jk^> ok
[08:35] <flocculant> https://askubuntu.com/questions/41791/whats-the-easiest-way-to-unrar-a-file
[08:35] <jk^> it's already checked
[08:35] <jk^> flocculant,
[08:36] <flocculant> ok - so do the next thing - install unrar
[08:36] <flocculant> and if you still have problems - then the issue is the archive itself
[08:36] <jk^> software doesn't show me anything :\
[08:36] <flocculant> do you EVER read anything?
[08:36] <flocculant> I told you how to install it ...
[08:37] <jk^> is unrar an app?
[08:37] <flocculant> well - I didn't say use a terminal I suppose
[08:37] <jk^> and to install an app, have i to use "Software" right? :\
[08:37] <flocculant> open a terminal - sudo apt install unrar - enter - tell it the password
[08:38] <flocculant> Software is neutered - half of anything useful never shows up
[08:38] <jk^> but I opened software, i went in "Utility" and in the Subsection for the archiviation tools, but it doesn't appears anything
[08:38] <flocculant> still wish we didn't seed it ...
[08:38] <flocculant> jk^: will you please READ
[08:38] <flocculant> stop using Software - it won't show there
[08:39] <jk^> even if i try to searc the word "rar" in the search box, there is the simbol which rotate rotate rotate with no end, and it doesn't show me any results
[08:39] <bazhang> jk^, please close 'software'
[08:39] <flocculant> ...
[08:40] <bazhang> jk^, did you close 'software'
[08:40] <jk^> yes
[08:41] <bazhang> jk^, open a terminal
[08:42] <bazhang> jk^, did you open a terminal
[08:43] <jk^> yes
[08:43] <bazhang> jk^, in the terminal type this  sudo apt install unrar
[08:44] <bazhang> jk^, then give it your password
[08:44] <jk^> i did it
[08:45] <bazhang> jk^, and what happened
[08:45] <jk^> i think it installed somethign
[08:45] <jk^> something
[08:45] <bazhang> great
[08:46] <jk^> now may i try to open the archive?
[08:46] <bazhang> jk^, go to the .rar and right click  open with unrar
[08:47] <jk^> i can't find it
[08:47] <bazhang> find what
[08:48] <jk^> it appears just the default archive manager
[08:48] <bazhang> did you use the right hand button on your mouse
[08:48] <jk^> yes
[08:48] <bazhang> and did that open a menu
[08:49] <jk^> yes
[08:49] <jk^> i try with default app
[08:49] <jk^> second icon of default app
[08:49] <jk^> and even with "open with"
[08:49] <bazhang> jk^, choose 'open with' unrar
[08:49] <jk^> but it doesn't appear "unrar"
[08:51] <jk^> :(((((((((((
[08:51] <jk^> so sad
[08:51] <jk^> so nervous
[08:51] <jk^> now i have to go away
[08:52] <jk^> i will try when i just can :\
[08:52] <jk^> 22 hours without sleep :\
[08:52] <jk^> thanks a lot
[08:52] <jk^> to all of you
[08:53] <jk^> i will try later
[09:00] <flocculant> bazhang dax - thanks for joining in :)
[09:01] <bazhang> flocculant, we'll always have automatix!
[09:01] <bazhang> 'play it , sam'
[09:01] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[09:02] <flocculant> that was about when I first turned up - didn't use it though
[09:03] <bazhang> ages and ages ago
[09:03] <flocculant> yup
[09:03] <flocculant> been hanging about for 10 years
[09:04] <flocculant> anyway - off to do nothing all day :)
[09:04] <bazhang> bye! happy new year!
[09:04] <flocculant> you too :)
[16:23] <TudorMan> Hi guys
[16:23] <TudorMan> I just had a weird problem with my Xubuntu setup
[16:25] <TudorMan> I configured my laptop to use the proprietary NVIDIA drivers. I tried nvidia-340 because they were claimed to work with my GPU. I reboot, kernel error occurs. Keeps looping round listing a bunch of broken commands and basically just refusing to boot.
[16:26] <TudorMan> Instead of booting to recovery and just removing the NVIDIA drivers, I removed the NVIDIA drivers and installed nouveau
[16:27] <TudorMan> This prompted a lot of xorg packages to be removed and only nouveau reinstalled. Could anyone tell me why this happened?
[16:30] <TudorMan> This basically ended in my laptop booting to a black screen for a while until I reinstalled xorg, and at that point my mouse and keyboard wouldn't work at the login screen, so I followed some advice on stackexchange and installed xserver-xorg-input-all, xubuntu-desktop, and xserver-xorg-video-vmware
[16:30] <ikonia> depends what the kernel error was
[16:30] <TudorMan> This fixed my problem and I'm now booted again, but I'm not sure whether I'm missing any other important packages
[16:32] <TudorMan> apt is also saying I have some unneeded packages, except they seem needed to me
[16:32] <TudorMan> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[16:32] <TudorMan>   bbswitch-dkms dkms lib32gcc1 libc6-i386 libcuda1-340 libxfont2 libxnvctrl0
[16:32] <TudorMan>   screen-resolution-extra xserver-xorg-legacy-hwe-16.04
[16:33] <ikonia> probably not needed
[16:34] <TudorMan> thanks ikonia. It seems they're leftovers from the nvidia drivers.
[16:34] <TudorMan> I'll just do a quick reboot to make sure everything still wors
[16:34] <TudorMan> *Works
[16:37] <TudorMan> Doesn't seem dead