/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/30/#ubports.txt

tgBot<JoeRess> I have a black background and green text on my terminal. Does that mean I'm in the matrix?00:04
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> YES00:04
tgBot<JoeRess> Oh shi-00:05
tgBot<dohbee> no. it means you're stuck in the 70s00:05
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> oh00:05
tgBot<dohbee> light up that disco ball!00:05
tgBot<JoeRess> https://twitter.com/JoeRessington/status/77692230817900953600:06
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> (Sticker, 512x341) https://irc.ubports.com/PwMkkA39/file_335900:06
tgBot<dohbee> threadjackers00:10
tgBot<dohbee> yeah, i can't make it through 22 minutes of whiny attempt at taking the piss00:15
tgBot<SilentSt0rm> How to change DPI on unity8? Meizu MX4.00:15
tgBot<dohbee> somehow i don't think ubports is the one with "marketing" issues there00:15
tgBot<Flohack> @profetik777, So you earn the trophy of bringing me back from bedtime to Telegram. Good job boy. In case I was not sure if you might have a point and I would thought about talking with you on a fact-based level, well thats over now. I am sorry to say, but if you post public videos on the Internet, making fun of me and my posts, quoting off the screen only half of what I wrote, while people can read the real text, its just wtf. That is not how you sh00:15
tgBotyour will of contribution and for teamwork, and I am afraid the door is closed now. UBports is better off with people that are teamplayers, not people with your attitude. This we can really skip. So you can be sure if there will be ever another membership application from your side, I will take care so that it will get rejected. Thanks and have a good day00:15
tgBot<dohbee> @SilentSt0rm, change GRID_UNITS environment variable. ithink you can export it in ~/.profile for example00:16
tgBot<dohbee> ie GRID_UNITS=8 or GRID_UNITS=16 or such00:16
tgBot<dohbee> i wonder how that appear.in is working out simon though. that might be more entertaining to watch :P00:26
tgBot<alan_morford> Uh so back to UT? I'm happy to distract from the tension00:32
tgBot<alan_morford> I successfully branched canonicals webapp demos to get back a couple things. I made click files aand installed them but I think they might be missing a dependency. Heres a screenshot from the log. Did the ota3 push removed the file mentioned?00:34
tgBot<dohbee> convergence!00:34
tgBot<alan_morford> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/ImSh4waS/file_3361.jpg00:34
tgBot<dohbee> no shouldn't have00:35
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Can you run … ```apt list *xid*``` … ?00:35
tgBot<dohbee> well i'm not sure libffmpeg was shipped at all00:35
tgBot<dohbee> but don't recall exactly. i know ffmpeg is legally werid00:36
tgBot<dohbee> weird00:36
tgBot<profetik777> @Flohack, ugh, got the window region cut off. but the audio is there....00:45
tgBot<profetik777> but yeah you were never going to meet anyways.00:46
tgBot<profetik777> anyways, after speaking with @tsimonq2  and @lastdon82  we realized we were on the same page more than originally anticipated.00:46
tgBot<profetik777> i think it was productive and we didn't walk away calling each other names.00:46
tgBot<tsimonq2> On a point-by-point level, sure. You're right.00:47
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Sure, but the way you've come into the community and handled this discourse leave me no room to respect you.00:47
tgBot<tsimonq2> We agree on points.00:47
tgBot<profetik777> ill be here regardless if im officially with the project or not.00:47
tgBot<profetik777> i don't really care at this point, respect the ideas.00:47
tgBot<tsimonq2> @UniversalSuperBox, I specifically made a point to not take sides on this issue although since I consider Dalton and Schyken friends, I sort of side with them on that. … But we discussed *points*.00:47
tgBot<profetik777> simon, are you turning on me so fast after such a great discourse?00:48
tgBot<dohbee> omfg00:48
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh no, don't try that00:48
tgBot<profetik777> guys....lighten up.00:48
tgBot<profetik777> you guys are going to be great regardless.....00:48
tgBot<lastdon82> @profetik777, I believed we agreed on somethings but not all :)00:48
tgBot<dohbee> delete your youtube00:48
tgBot<profetik777> @lastdon82 and that is okay. i think there is suppose to be room for disagreement.00:49
tgBot<profetik777> the goal is the same - better options for mobile.00:50
tgBot<lastdon82> @profetik777, it  is fair to ask you to delete the youtube video though00:51
tgBot<profetik777> and i think @tsimonq2 made great points. @tsimonq2 did you record it too?00:51
tgBot<profetik777> or broadcast it?00:51
tgBot<tsimonq2> @profetik777, What I'm saying here is that we agree on logical points, and you know that, but where I don't have a strong opinion on are how those points were conveyed.00:51
tgBot<tsimonq2> It's obvious you pissed some people off.00:51
tgBot<tsimonq2> Don't get me wrong, that was a decent discussion.00:51
tgBot<profetik777> i thought so too00:52
tgBot<tsimonq2> But that was between three of many people in this group00:52
tgBot<profetik777> i thank you for hopping on00:52
tgBot<tsimonq2> Thanks for having me00:52
tgBot<tsimonq2> @profetik777, No, I didn't record or broadcast it.00:52
tgBot<profetik777> well, they can have an opportunity if they want too00:52
tgBot<lastdon82> (Sticker, 382x512) https://irc.ubports.com/RPGMJ2Vu/file_335500:52
tgBot<profetik777> ugh i gotta adjust the audio....00:54
tgBot<nfsprodriver> @tsimonq2, πŸ‘ We should put that into the group's bio.00:54
tgBot<JoeRess> What did I miss?00:54
tgBot<tsimonq2> @JoeRess, I went on a video call with @profetik777 and @lastdon8200:54
tgBot<JoeRess> Don't tell me I missed the conference call!00:54
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You missed the conference call00:55
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Which was recorded and I assume is for later use?00:55
tgBot<alan_morford> @nfsprodriver, In a bit00:55
tgBot<tsimonq2> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes00:56
tgBot<JoeRess> Poast likn00:56
tgBot<tsimonq2> @JoeRess, Waiting on @profetik77700:57
tgBot<JoeRess> The most important question is00:57
tgBot<JoeRess> Did you get to the bottom of the bottleneck problem?00:58
tgBot<tsimonq2> Yes.00:58
tgBot<JoeRess> Thank goodness00:58
tgBot<JoeRess> We can't have a bottleneck00:58
tgBot<JoeRess> That much is quite clear00:58
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Well, we're all dying to hear it00:59
tgBot<profetik777> it really is anti-climatic, given talking things through can really be powerful in having a logic based discussion.01:00
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Okay, I don't want to be preached to.01:00
tgBot<profetik777> but ill link it. the record region was misaligned, so it will be a lot of shots of all of our foreheads lol01:00
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I want to know: What is the problem, and what do you propse to fix it01:00
tgBot<profetik777> @UniversalSuperBox, you don't want to be preached to and you don't want to know so enough already.01:01
tgBot<profetik777> but you might find your answer by listening01:01
tgBot<profetik777> perhaps.01:01
tgBot<JoeRess> @profetik777, I'm sure the audio is far more important01:01
tgBot<lastdon82> @profetik777, Can you share the link?01:01
tgBot<profetik777> sorry, daddy dutie, trying to mult-task here...01:02
tgBot<JoeRess> Pls hoast on rapidshare01:02
tgBot<JoeRess> I hav many rapids saved up01:02
tgBot<JoeRess> Or megauoload01:03
tgBot<JoeRess> Which is also gud01:03
tgBot<profetik777> again, sorry for the audio,01:03
tgBot<profetik777> we jumped right in so i rolled with it01:03
tgBot<profetik777> i re-upload after i clean it up.01:05
tgBot<profetik777> but here is the ra01:05
tgBot<profetik777> raw01:05
tgBot<profetik777> @JoeRess, ill do that another time01:05
tgBot<profetik777> being a daddy is causing a bottleneck01:06
tgBot<profetik777> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH5djud5maM&feature=youtu.be01:07
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Must still be processing01:10
tgBot<JoeRess> (Photo, 800x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/cfRDfwaN/file_3363.jpg01:11
tgBot<JoeRess> Yep01:11
tgBot<dohbee> OMG the recommendations tho01:12
tgBot<tsimonq2> Lolllll01:13
tgBot<dohbee> First of which needs deleted01:13
tgBot<profetik777> It's stuck on 9501:14
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> It's done01:14
tgBot<profetik777> Oh ok01:14
tgBot<JoeRess> Decent audio on one side01:15
tgBot<JoeRess> Simon sounds like shit01:15
tgBot<JoeRess> Quality wise01:16
tgBot<profetik777> Yeah I know.  I wanted to fix it before releasing it but01:16
tgBot<profetik777> It's not an actual real show so01:17
tgBot<profetik777> Maybe next time :)01:18
tgBot<JoeRess> Wow. You come across like Lunduke. Good going  πŸ‘πŸ»01:24
tgBot<profetik777> @JoeRess, That would be the first thing you say. Forget everything else. Good going01:25
tgBot<profetik777> Lol01:25
tgBot<profetik777> Be careful @JoeRess. You are getting too predictable01:26
tgBot<dohbee> so not going to delete it?01:31
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Point, but I'm not finished with the video yet01:32
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Wayne was being sarcastic01:32
tgBot<dohbee> ok, can't get through that video either01:35
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I'm finishing it01:35
tgBot<dohbee> there's a certain irony about calling people intellectually lazy for suggesting one's post formatting is hard to read, while arguing about what is supposedly "good for marketing"01:38
tgBot<tsimonq2> feels manipulated after rewatching it01:39
tgBot<tsimonq2> @JoeRess, That's because the only mic I have is a webcam01:40
tgBot<dohbee> oh noes, simon was spellbound01:40
tgBot<lastdon82> @tsimonq2, don't be!01:41
tgBot<tsimonq2> @tsimonq2, waits for harsh criticism about microphone choices01:41
tgBot<tsimonq2> @lastdon82, Heh well that's hard01:41
tgBot<dohbee> @tsimonq2, writes a very stern letter01:41
tgBot<dohbee> the lack of /me in telegram is amazing. especially when viewed from the IRC side of the bridge01:42
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Okay, let's start with this.01:46
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I implore you to read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct01:47
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Insults and attacks is not how we solve issues here. Pushing for A/V calls that we later post to Youtube is not how we solve issues.01:48
tgBot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Implore whom? (I guess you meant to tag @profetik777 or PM him?)01:48
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> No, he wants this public it's going to be public. In the community.01:48
tgBot<dohbee> ok01:49
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You seem to come at us with a premise that the marketing team is still facing the same situation that you did when you joined. But we've come a long way in those six months.01:50
tgBot<alan_morford> Apt get with UT or no?01:50
tgBot<dohbee> @alan_morford, strongly not recommended01:50
tgBot<lastdon82> @UniversalSuperBox, Consent is the keyword01:50
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, You can, but I wouldn't recommend.01:50
tgBot<lastdon82> I didn't know I was recorded but hey I told him what I think. It is not write with him posted that conversation with Flo at all01:51
tgBot<dohbee> @alan_morford, if you want CLI tools a plain chroot is pretty easy to set up for it. If you want GUI X11 apps, libertine is the best way right now.01:51
tgBot<lastdon82> @lastdon82, Right*01:52
tgBot<JoeRess> I thought the conversation was just him and Simon and that Simon knew that he was being recorded01:52
tgBot<dohbee> @lastdon82, if you mean the forum thread, I think Florian wouldn't mind were it a more respectful video and not skipping all over things to be a one sided faeces flinging vid. the forum is public after all01:52
tgBot<lastdon82> @dohbee, Get u01:53
tgBot<dohbee> @JoeRess, Nick joined in after a few minutes while it was already recording. Nick was referring to the previous video about the forum post01:53
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Let's leave all of that aside for one moment, and get to the bottom of it.01:53
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> The marketing team is not shackled.01:53
tgBot<lastdon82> I made it clear marketing strategy is key for funding01:54
tgBot<dohbee> indeed01:54
tgBot<lastdon82> Currently I am good with what we have going01:54
tgBot<dohbee> marketing is not really a major issue for ubports at the moment01:55
tgBot<dohbee> it's chugging along just fine01:55
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Correct, but that doesn't mean that we don't have a team working on it. With people who love what we do.01:55
tgBot<lastdon82> @dohbee, I agree01:55
tgBot<lastdon82> @UniversalSuperBox, I did point that out and asked if he had an issue with Wayne being incharge01:56
tgBot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, Right. And even if that was just a few devs who set aside some time for doing marketing bits, that would still be fine.01:56
tgBot<lastdon82> @dohbee, That point was also raised. I believe in dev guys handling marketing as well if they have the exposure01:57
tgBot<dohbee> anyway, i'm off to pub. might pop in from the phone to see what happens01:57
tgBot<lastdon82> @dohbee, 🍺01:59
tgBot<profetik777> @tsimonq2, how were you manipulated? i gave you ample time to speak, plug your stuff, and you raised great points.02:05
tgBot<profetik777> @JoeRess, He did, asked him to give me a sec to fire up OBS.02:07
tgBot<johangm90> (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/3uslyVYX/file_336402:09
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @profetik777 I've been instructed by staff members above my level in the Ubuntu organization to take small steps to restrict this discourse until the Community Council is able to take a better decision based on how it has played out. I'm sorry, and I hope you'll understand that this one is out of my control.02:15
tgBot<Jameshjacksonjr> @lastdon82, Correct save marketing for when we get carrier sold devices02:40
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Drop it for now02:40
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> We can revisit when things are cooler02:40
tgBot<alan_morford> Hey look at that http://cdimage.ubports.com/clicks/02:41
tgBot<alan_morford> All the work I did and there they are. Lol02:41
tgBot<Jameshjacksonjr> 2018 feels like the year we will have devices for the masses at carriers world wide02:43
tgBotcaptain_roof was added by: captain_roof04:07
tgBot<Optimus9650> (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ZA79w8H6/file_336406:21
tgBot<peternerlich> Hi @captain_roof! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!07:51
tgBotM4rtijn was added by: M4rtijn09:11
tgBot<popescu_sorin> hi @M4rtijn09:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/grVwEpM0/file_3365.webp09:16
tgBot<peternerlich> Welcome @M4rtijn! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!09:17
tgBot<M4rtijn> Thanks guys, i'm allready reading :)09:23
tgBot<Stereofont> Simon Quigley has been welcomed. Does anyone else want to welcome Simon Quigley? Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-botβ„’ Ask, chat, explore!09:48
tgBot<peternerlich> Do we have a proper SVG of this robot btw.?09:57
tgBot<peternerlich> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kpi4w9gQ/file_336709:57
tgBot<peternerlich> @Waldbursche10:00
tgBot<Waldbursche> I can make one.10:06
tgBot<mariogrip> (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/GLvw3A23/file_3369.jpg10:38
tgBot<mariogrip> Unity8 desktop, now with mirror 0.29 :)10:38
tgBot<mariogrip> @mariogrip, Mir not mirror :P10:39
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @mariogrip, OMG OMG OMG!!! now i want that! :))10:39
tgBot<popescu_sorin> but i am not sure how to remove 0.26 and install 0.29 :D10:40
tgBot<popescu_sorin> because besides mir there are other packages that needs compiled against 0.29? qtmir and stuff?10:40
tgBot<popescu_sorin> don't know "(10:40
tgBot<mariogrip> @popescu_sorin, Pushing the install script now10:43
tgBot<mariogrip> Pushed :) just run the enable-mir0.29.sh script10:44
tgBot<Michele> @mariogrip, sorry, but I didn't understand very well what it is... is it a different thing from yunit, right?10:44
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @mariogrip, muhahaha! thanks! :D10:52
tgBot<popescu_sorin> now i haz to make another videoh :D10:52
tgBot<Javacookies> that's the redsigned terminal! I want that :)10:52
tgBot<mariogrip> :D10:52
tgBot<popescu_sorin> the one with 0.26 is already old wololo10:52
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUxVdURZdRk10:52
tgBot<Javacookies> can you also try out unity8 stuffs like workspace switcher and windowing stuffs? :D I'm asking too much LOL10:53
tgBot<popescu_sorin> not sure with workspaces is in this version of unity810:53
tgBot<mariogrip> I also fixed xapps :) but now quzilla will start in xmir10:54
tgBot<popescu_sorin> wohooo :D10:54
tgBot<mariogrip> (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/rtNQZ0mk/file_3371.jpg10:56
tgBot<Waldbursche> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/4WrLDn6P/file_3372.svg11:00
tgBot<Michele> @Waldbursche, hey, it isn't a vectorial image...11:01
tgBot<Javacookies> @popescu_sorin, I was actually asking Marius :P … but that was just a rhetorical request... LOL11:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> oh :D11:04
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @mariogrip shouldn't be xenial_-_mir29 in the script? https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools/blob/master/enable-mir0-29.sh11:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> after running the script i'm still on 0.26 :D11:07
tgBot<popescu_sorin> line 16: echo "deb http://repo.ubports.com/ xenial_-_mir26 main" Β» /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubports.list11:07
tgBotMr_Doge was added by: Mr_Doge11:09
tgBot<Mr_Doge> Heyy11:09
tgBot<Stereofont> Welcome back Mr Doge11:10
tgBot<Mr_Doge> Thanks...🐢11:11
tgBot<Stereofont> Anything we can help with?11:11
tgBot<Mr_Doge> @Stereofont, Just building the halium rn, soon i'll need help11:12
tgBot<Mr_Doge> When i'll come to the ub part11:12
tgBot<Stereofont> I thought placing UT on top was easyπŸ˜‚ Outside my pay grade though 😎11:14
tgBot<Stereofont> Remind people which device?11:14
tgBot<peternerlich> @Waldbursche, Thanks, but it seems this is just a pixel graphic embedded in a SVG... πŸ˜†πŸ˜…11:22
tgBot<peternerlich> Does anyone know where that picture originated? Who made it? He should have a proper SVG or at least a AI file or stuff11:26
tgBot<Stereofont> Wayne or Jan should be able to help11:30
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LNkrnx6M/file_3374.jpg11:31
tgBot<DylanVanAssche> Hi, I read that UBports only supports click and html5 app in thr future. I hope it's still possible to pack a C++/QML app into a click package? I only found click tutorials with QML-only apps...11:31
tgBot<popescu_sorin> MUHAHAHAHA! it works! @mariogrip11:31
tgBot<Michele> @DylanVanAssche, yeah it's possible with c++11:32
tgBot<DylanVanAssche> Oh okay, since heavy lifting with QML will be super slow11:33
tgBot<Stereofont> @DylanVanAssche, In the future, snaps, appimages and flatpaks also. That is my understanding11:34
tgBot<DylanVanAssche> As long as C++/QML combo stays supported I'm happy. If I want to develop cross-platform apps between SFOS and UT I need C++/QML11:35
tgBot<Stereofont> @DylanVanAssche, If you are not in the OpenStore group I suggest you join11:38
tgBot<DylanVanAssche> I'm not, I will try to find it, thanks!11:38
tgBot<Stereofont> The link is on the uAppexplorer page11:39
tgBot<Stereofont> http://open.uappexplorer.com/telegram11:40
tgBot<Waldbursche> @peternerlich, Sorry, wrong file πŸ™ˆ11:49
tgBot<Waldbursche> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/waGQAWY1/file_3375.svg11:50
tgBot<Waldbursche> @peternerlich, I don't know11:52
tgBot<peternerlich> @Waldbursche, Cannot check it atm, how did you get it?11:52
tgBot<peternerlich> did you create it yourself?11:53
tgBot<Michele> @Waldbursche, but did you vetrorialize that by yourself from the png?11:53
tgBot<Waldbursche> Yes, I'm created it myself from png. I don't know, who has the original of this.11:54
tgBot<peternerlich> because I tried to let inkscape automatically approximate a vector image from the png but it turned out cluttered and unusable for repurposing or changing stuff11:54
tgBot<Javacookies> system updates is now back in 16.04 images but it still doesn't work? On my Nexus 5, I'm still still in r172 and doesn't detect new updates. I think r174 is the latest11:55
tgBot<Waldbursche> @peternerlich, Yes, it is so. We should have the original file of this graphic. But i don't know, who this owns11:56
tgBot<Stereofont> Probably should be some fairly tight controls on usage, since it is our logo?11:59
tgBot<technicalbird> @Stereofont, You are over committing..12:04
tgBot<Stereofont> @technicalbird, For sure, no guarantees. Nobody knows how it will turn out. In principle, any of those might be included. It is a question of how much 'desktopness' there will be, as UT 16.04 matures12:07
tgBot<Waldbursche> @Stereofont, Thats why i asked here a few days before for it is okay? And i asked Marius.12:09
tgBot<Stereofont> It is about 'brand identity' so it should be protected against misuse at least12:11
tgBotalenicoli was added by: alenicoli12:11
tgBot<Stereofont> Welcome Alessandro! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information πŸšͺ12:13
tgBot<Stereofont> Also check out https://t.me/ubportsitaliano12:14
tgBot<Waldbursche> @Stereofont, Strong rules makes difficult to find users which help to creat new things. Its my opinion.12:25
tgBot<Stereofont> @Waldbursche, The stickers were great. I think there should be a simple method go get permission but that permission should always be necessary.  Others may see it differently of course12:28
tgBot<peternerlich> maybe sticking 'ubports' on it would already help prevent misuse, because one can easier search for a name than for an image to get the context12:40
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1x51w76Uw12:44
tgBot<popescu_sorin> mir 0.29 muh better12:44
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yKFg26th/file_337612:45
tgBot<Javacookies> how is it better?12:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> bug fixes12:58
tgBot<popescu_sorin> and initial support for wayland clients12:58
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i haz to try that part12:58
tgBot<Javacookies> cool! will it land soon in 16.04 UBports images? :D12:59
tgBot<popescu_sorin> mir 0.29? it's already on ubports repos13:00
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools13:00
tgBot<popescu_sorin> not sure when on the phone )13:01
tgBot<Mr_Doge> @Stereofont, Mi 4, and RN413:11
tgBotfide_gr was added by: fide_gr13:19
tgBot<David_Gamiz_Jimenez> I have a doubt. @popescu_sorin and @mariogrip whit witch gpu/driver are running mir. Is possible use Wayland support in actual ecosystem to run mir, or is need it, specially support to mir in gpu drivers?13:21
tgBot<Waldbursche> @Stereofont, I agree πŸ‘13:22
tgBot<Nithin Padavu> Just noticed it now13:24
tgBot<Nithin Padavu> Cant edit OSM with the browser now13:24
tgBot<Nithin Padavu> It was possible before13:25
tgBot<peternerlich> Welcome @fide_gr! Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!13:29
tgBot<anpok> @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, you mean whether mir requires special driver support13:29
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, i am using an intel cpu but i don't know how low level stuff works, probably using mesa whatever that is on desktop, and wayland is just a protocol, like a XML with text in it13:30
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html13:30
tgBot<dohbee> @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Foss drivers should mostly work13:30
tgBot<popescu_sorin> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mir-architecture/46713:30
tgBot<anpok> @David_Gamiz_Jimenez mir has a platform driver ABI - so you could support arbitrary ways to transfer graphics from clients to the compositor13:31
tgBot<anpok> on Foss drivers the implementation uses dma buf fd and fd passing .. and kms on the server.. yeah there used to be drivers that could not do that in the past.. but we fixed the relevant ones upstream13:35
tgBot<David_Gamiz_Jimenez> Wayland/wenston not is the equivalent to mir/miral?13:36
tgBot<David_Gamiz_Jimenez> @anpok, Yes driver support specific to mir windows server/composer13:38
tgBot<dohbee> proprietary nvidia drivers won't work13:47
tgBot<dohbee> i havn't tried it on my amd card13:48
tgBot<dohbee> intel is known to work generally (some much newer, or much older chips, may have issues)13:48
tgBot<dohbee> (poulsbo doesn't work, for example)13:49
tgBot<dohbee> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-2017-Recap13:51
tgBot<dohbee> @wayneoutthere ^^ you might like that phoronix13:52
tgBotCarlos was added by: Carlos14:02
tgBot<Carlos> Hi, i'm carlos and i from Colombia. I'm a linux user14:06
tgBot<Stereofont> @Carlos, Hello Carlos. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-botβ„’ Ask, chat, explore!14:06
tgBot<Stereofont> @Carlos, Have you got Ubuntu Touch? Where did you hear about us?14:07
tgBot<Carlos> I want install ubuntu touch in a phon14:09
tgBot<Carlos> But i dont know14:09
tgBot<Stereofont> I suggest you join the Welcome Room. Click the button on the link14:09
tgBot<Stereofont> Also https://t.me/UBPorts_ES14:10
tgBot<Javacookies> @popescu_sorin, will this work on phones? 😁14:11
tgBot<Carlos> Umm ok14:12
tgBot<Stereofont> @Carlos, If you make a Telegram username it is then possible to ping you and give invites14:14
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @Javacookies, this is for the desktop, installs the unity8-desktop-session and add the ubports repos14:17
tgBot<popescu_sorin> you need 16.0414:17
tgBot<Javacookies> oh okay I see14:22
tgBot<Alex> How to type CTRL+B in terminal of Ubuntu Touch?14:29
tgBot<turanmahmudov> "2017/12/30 18:13:42 Done pushing /home/turan/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubports-062c39ed2b8d510ba40a5a05ed4ca0ba0a22a9f274a006dafcdad9395b202160.tar.xz to device … 2017/12/30 18:13:42 Created ubuntu_command: /home/turan/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu_commands678562421 … 2017/12/30 18:13:42 Rebooting into recovery to flash"14:30
tgBot<mariogrip> @popescu_sorin, it's also running qt 5.9 btw :)14:30
tgBot<turanmahmudov> stucks on here, phone shuts down and doesn't come back14:31
tgBot<dohbee> @Alex, physical keyboard, or change the keyboard function keys type at left just above OSK14:31
tgBot<turanmahmudov> device is bq e4.514:31
tgBot<dohbee> @turanmahmudov, manually boot into recovery while plugged to usb? also, you used the correct --recovery-image with ubuntu-device-flash i presume?14:32
tgBot<popescu_sorin> @mariogrip, nice :D LTS14:33
tgBot<turanmahmudov> sudo ubuntu-device-flash β€”server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch β€”device=krillin β€”channel=ubports-touch/16.04/devel14:33
tgBot<turanmahmudov> the problem started after upgrading to 16.0414:33
tgBot<turanmahmudov> "adb reboot recovery" gives error: … "reboot failed: -1"14:35
tgBot<turanmahmudov> okay, went to recovery mode with "volume up"+"power" buttons14:47
tgBot<dohbee> @turanmahmudov, default recovery image lacks adb support. you need the krillin recovery image which has adb, which gets passed to u-d-f with --recovery-image14:51
tgBot<turanmahmudov> --recovery-image=krillin.img or what?14:52
tgBot<dohbee> http://cdimage.ubports.com/devices/recovery-krillin.img14:52
tgBot<dohbee> is the image you need14:52
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, Ooooo14:52
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @popescu_sorin, Popescu, we love you :)14:54
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> @popescu_sorin, Isn't this Unity8 thing similar to what has been done by Yunit team?14:54
tgBot<turanmahmudov> Thanks a lot :)14:54
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> BTW, Greaaaatttt!!!!!14:55
tgBot<turanmahmudov> changes in keyboard-component aren't included in 16.04 )14:56
tgBot<turanmahmudov> Instagraph works smoother in 16.04 than 15.04 :D14:58
tgBot<dohbee> @turanmahmudov, yeah, work is being done to get the 16.04 builds up to parity with the 15.04 builds15:01
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @dohbee, I hope I will see soon :)15:03
tgBot<malditobastardo> @popescu_sorin, Can I insstall in my S3 mini?15:03
tgBot<malditobastardo> @TronFortyTwo, it looks like but instead on working together they splitted lol15:04
tgBot<turanmahmudov> and I want to make a comment about the last "anbox thing". I think bringing android app support to ubuntu touch is not good for developers. I am working hard on my apps (ubuntu clients for android apps) to bring more features. After android app support users would use android versions instead of mine15:06
tgBot<turanmahmudov> I would stop developing for ubuntu if users start to use android apps15:07
tgBot<Stereofont> @turanmahmudov, That is not the intention but it is a risk. We need to support UT developers like you very strongly. Doing that must be a priority for 2018. Thank you for your efforts 😍15:09
tgBot<Flohack> @malditobastardo, No working port so far afaik15:11
tgBot<malditobastardo> @Flohack, 😿😿15:11
tgBot<malditobastardo> (I was just kidding..)15:12
tgBot<Flohack> Samsung devices with Exynos. Got S3 to boot but no GUI15:12
tgBot<Stereofont> @malditobastardo, S3 Mini was a suspicious choice πŸ˜‚15:13
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Stereofont, Thank you :)15:15
tgBot<anpok> @turanmahmudov, Thats the reason canonical never officially invested in anbox... or in using the inofficial chrome port to support android15:26
tgBot<anpok> @turanmahmudov a native application will always feel better and work better..15:27
tgBot<mimecar> but user would use Android apps instead Ubuntu Touch apps15:28
tgBot<anpok> I wonder if it will be possible to do any cross-application communication with applications running inside anbox ..15:28
tgBot<Stereofont> @anpok, There is community here. It isn't just about technical matters15:29
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> @anpok, you mean other than using tcp/ip ?15:30
tgBot<anpok> yes... I mean everything around content hub..15:30
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> maube using linux fifo? I mean if anbox is similar to sudo, service inside anbox could frite to fifo and service in UT outside of the container could be reading it, Theoretically15:31
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> or using filedb in a folder on anbox that is mounted with β€”bind switch from outside of andbox15:32
tgBot<KrisJacewicz> but I imagine that if there were 2 services one in UT another in anbox, they could just talk to each other via a socket15:32
tgBot<Javacookies> I would still definitely use native apps even if Anbox is out especially if the native app is great like your apps ;)15:33
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> (Photo, 698x467) https://irc.ubports.com/DtmTqDnU/file_3378.jpg hmm I wonder what marius is up to15:33
tgBot<Flohack> @Stereofont, Well there was a early alpha port in 2013 or so15:35
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Javacookies, thanks :) but official Instagram app gives more features than mine, thats why users would use it, not mine15:35
tgBot<turanmahmudov> I only make ubuntu touch clients of android apps15:36
tgBot<Stereofont> @Flohack, UBports_archaeology 😎15:36
tgBot<Flohack> @turanmahmudov, Not all features of Android will be available, so some Apps might not run at all ;)15:36
tgBot<Javacookies> @turanmahmudov, well you have a point,it's definitely a risk15:36
tgBot<Mr_Doge> @UniversalSuperBox, Must be something good15:37
tgBot<Javacookies> maybe they should make anbox available but make it work but not too good so users won't use it always 😁15:37
tgBot<Mr_Doge> #abandon_android15:39
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Flohack, I hope so )15:40
tgBot<Stereofont> Emulators are always messy and more limited than the 'real thing'15:41
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> It's a discussion that was hashed, and rehashed, and rehashed. In the end, this was the decision we made.15:41
tgBot<Cesar_Herrera> If you like Android, change to Android.15:41
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Javacookies, πŸ˜†15:41
tgBot<immanuelsamuel> Hey guys where do I ask for feature requests regarding browser and accelerometer api15:42
tgBot<Stereofont> It should widen the pool of app developers, which will move things in a positive direction15:42
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @immanuelsamuel, https://github.com/ubports/webbrowser-app15:44
tgBot<Javacookies> @turanmahmudov, you know what? I created an Instagram account just to test your app...I now use it for following hot chx, LOL15:44
tgBot<Mark> @turanmahmudov, That would be a pity. The introduction of Wine never stopped Linux and associated FOSS from being further developed so perhaps Anbox will, in the longer run, merely be a useful additional tool. I might, rarely, want to be able to access an Android app where no alternative is currently available but I chose a phone that runs Linux for a reason (or for several reasons) so I am very unlikely to stop using and stop supporting UT because of 15:44
tgBot'novelty add on' ;)15:44
tgBot<Stereofont> When you cross the road you may be knocked down by a bus but that doesn't mean never cross the road15:44
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @UniversalSuperBox, the decision was made without asking to developers15:44
tgBot<malditobastardo> anbox would be available anyways sooner or later for sure15:45
tgBot<Stereofont> #NoveltyAddonBox 🀑15:46
tgBot<Javacookies> we won't know its effect until anbox is out for quite some time....actually my apps will be the first ones to be obsolete when the bad thing happens πŸ˜‚15:46
tgBot<mimecar> With Andbox you increase the number of users and lose programmers. That decision has been made and must be accepted, but that does not mean I think it is a good idea.15:48
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Javacookies, I also reactivated my account to test the app :D I also made a tinder client for ubuntu, while I was testing i met a girl there and we're together now πŸ˜† ubuntu power πŸ˜†15:48
tgBot<lastdon82> (Sticker, 448x512) https://irc.ubports.com/WhT6mUE7/file_334915:49
tgBot<Javacookies> no way! πŸ˜† but you haven't even released it yet?15:49
tgBot<Stereofont> @turanmahmudov, The Director of Marketing should be told about this 😎15:49
tgBot<malditobastardo> New programmers will come to support UT too.. you never know15:49
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Mark, linux + wine and ubuntu + anbox are different things15:50
tgBot<Stereofont> @malditobastardo, Yes, I think so. There will be less distance to travel15:50
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @mimecar, πŸ‘15:50
tgBot<milkor73> @mimecar, πŸ‘15:51
tgBot<mimecar> Being able to use Android apps, a programmer would make an Android app and use it on Android and Ubuntu Touch15:51
tgBot<Javacookies> good thing I don't develop my for anyone...it's just really for my own use so I won't be affected regardless of what happens 😝15:52
tgBot<mimecar> To attract programmers you need applications to work on Ubuntu Touch but also on the desktop.15:53
tgBot<malditobastardo> @mimecar, Indeed. Thats why developing for UT native will be an incentive15:54
tgBot<Stereofont> @mimecar, Agreed. That will come in the medium term. We will need to fill the gap in the short term15:54
tgBot<mimecar> One possibility would be to be able to program Ubuntu Touch applications using desktop applications (Qtcreator).15:55
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Javacookies, no I haven't15:55
tgBot<mimecar> At the moment, using the Ubuntu Touch SDK is not a good idea for application support.15:56
tgBot<Javacookies> it will really be a good incentive especially if apps written for Ubuntu Touch can be snapped and run on any desktop distro that supports snappy15:58
tgBot<mimecar> Even if they are not Snap packages15:58
tgBot<mimecar> You need to be able to program a complex application without spending more time on the SDK than on code.15:58
tgBot<Javacookies> yes of course πŸ™‚ but for dependencies like the UT toolkit, snap would be better15:59
tgBot<Flohack> From anbox to snaps, we will have to make decisions, and every time somebody will be unhappy. But thats how life goes.15:59
tgBot<mimecar> @Flohack, that's true15:59
tgBot<Javacookies> @turanmahmudov, then you should, I would definitely create a tinder account although I'm not even a bit interested with it πŸ˜‚16:00
tgBot<Mark> @turanmahmudov, I'm sure that is true from a technical point of view. Surely from a user perspective both are simply a way to safely run software from a different OS on our Linux devices?16:00
tgBot<jmnemonix> Hi guis i am new to this project and have not yet an overview how the structure of this community is setup .. i recognized some  .. lets say bad vibrations a few hours ago .. and while browsing the 34c3 play list i came across this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVdRMQsMkgc … I havent seen it compleetly yet nor am i aware of all the implicit groups and motivations here. So i dont meant to step on someones toes but maybe this talk and the 16:00
tgBotinformations are halpfull in a way πŸ˜‰ have a good evening16:00
tgBot<Flohack> I need Anbox for carsharing in Vienna. Cant have my own car, and they stopped the normal webpage. So for me it will help a lot16:00
tgBot<Stereofont> Whichever path we take, we must manage risks, not ignore them. Risks are normal. We just have to walk around the hole, not step straight into it16:02
tgBot<Flohack> @Stereofont, I agree yes. But we have to learn this. Amateurs are not used to riskbased mgmt of projects16:04
tgBot<malditobastardo> @Flohack, 10000%16:04
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @Flohack I need whatsapp for years, but I didn't ignore ubuntu and didn't go to use android for it16:04
tgBot<turanmahmudov> with anbox users would use whatsapp on it16:05
tgBot<malditobastardo> And thats a bad thing how?16:05
tgBot<turanmahmudov> and no one will develop any whatsapp client for ubuntu16:05
tgBot<Flohack> @turanmahmudov, Yes the userbase we have is not going back to android I think16:05
tgBot<Stereofont> @turanmahmudov, That can never happen anyway,  even if a developer wanted to16:07
tgBot<milkor73> @Flohack, I also understand this, and I can imagine it will anyway sooner or later someone else would try to bring Anbox to UT. Much better if Marius can take care about it.16:07
tgBot<rubencarneiro> This one must be for @mariogrip https://github.com/userj/say-ubuntu16:07
tgBot<Flohack> Roflmao!16:09
tgBot<milkor73> I can also see big impact in many IT news regarding the Anbox announcement16:09
tgBot<turanmahmudov> anyway I just wanted to share my thought :)16:11
tgBot<Stereofont> @turanmahmudov, It is not a negative thing to share and discuss genuine concerns. It makes us stronger and better prepared16:12
antonlan@tuhranmhttp://forum.ubuntuusers.de/forum/ubuntu-touch/ahmudov my oppinion is most these users, who use ubports would when they have the chance to use native apps for ubports, only until this is so they use android apps with anbox16:26
tgBot<dohbee> @Mark, wine is not really a good comparison. it's not a vm that runs windows apps. it's something that has to independently implement every API call in specific ways for apps to work correctly. hence, many apps do not work correctly16:27
tgBot<dohbee> @Javacookies, could make it run slower to save battery ;)16:28
tgBot<Javacookies> or apps will only work by request 😝16:29
tgBot<dohbee> only whatsapp, snapchat, and tinder will work16:30
tgBot<malditobastardo> until some 14years old kid comes and hack anbox to run faster16:31
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Either way, it would have happened16:32
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―16:32
tgBot<dohbee> meh16:33
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Yay! Mir is "working" on VirtualBox now!16:49
tgBot<wagafo> @Flohack, Same for me for parking in the tolled places in my municipality, they will never release the API of that app for anything different from Android and IOS.16:54
tgBot<turanmahmudov> I get API with mitmproxy17:02
tgBot<DylanVanAssche> Mitmproxy or Charles Proxy reveals this in seconds. Also the Chrome/Firefox Developer tools can do the trick :) I got already all the API calls of the new Tinder webapp ^^17:04
tgBot<xreactx> Anyone know what broke the OnePlus One keyboard on ubp-16.04?17:11
tgBot<dohbee> broke?17:27
tgBot<Stereofont> @xreactx, It isn't really 'broken’. The car didn't leave the factory yet!17:28
tgBot<Stereofont> πŸ“΅17:30
tgBot<dohbee> @xreactx, If you mean there are troubles with it appearing when tapping on entry fields, it's probably just old bugs (all of the fixes that went into the 15.04 builds aren't in the 16.04 builds yet)17:32
tgBotThomas was added by: Thomas17:32
tgBot<Stereofont> @Thomas, Welcome Thomas! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information πŸšͺ17:33
tgBot<xreactx> @dohbee, Gotchya17:38
tgBot<Beingmishra> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Fsv07829/file_3380.jpg17:50
tgBot<Beingmishra> Any help?17:50
tgBot<Beingmishra> I have oneplus one17:50
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Select device manually > Oneplus One17:51
tgBot<Beingmishra> Not working17:51
tgBot<Beingmishra> Nothing happens when I click on select manually17:52
tgBotpsychoalternative was added by: psychoalternative17:53
tgBot<Stereofont> @Beingmishra, What are you trying to install?17:53
tgBot<milkor73> @psychoalternative, Hello Virali and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)17:53
tgBot<psychoalternative> hi guys17:53
tgBot<Beingmishra> @Stereofont, Ubuntu touch on my Oneplus one aka bacon17:53
tgBot<Stereofont> @Beingmishra, 15.04?17:54
tgBot<Beingmishra> @Stereofont, Whatever version installer installs17:54
tgBot<milkor73> @Beingmishra, πŸ˜‚17:54
tgBot<Beingmishra> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/xcGJ00i0/file_3382.jpg When tried as administrator17:55
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tgBot<psychoalternative> guys, can i install ubuntu touch on unsupported device? can i compile it?17:57
tgBot<Stereofont> @psychoalternative, With difficulty (lots) but only by building a Halium port first17:58
tgBot<milkor73> @Beingmishra click here pls https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome17:58
tgBot<Stereofont> Which device are you thinking about?17:59
tgBot<Stereofont> http://t.me/UBports_Ru18:00
tgBot<Beingmishra> @milkor73, Downloaded the installer from that page πŸ˜”18:01
tgBot<milkor73> @Beingmishra, Follow us there and we will help you with the installation18:02
tgBot<Stereofont> @Beingmishra, The Welcome Room link is also there18:02
tgBotoxxxygen was added by: oxxxygen18:05
tgBot<jonny> Hi Anton18:06
tgBot<milkor73> @oxxxygen, Hello Anton and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)18:10
tgBot<oxxxygen> Hi all =)18:12
tgBotRam_rdb was added by: Ram_rdb18:12
tgBot<milkor73> @Ram_rdb, Hello Ram and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)18:15
tgBot<Jyoti> Hi! Happy new year! Somebody know how to increase the font sizeof ubports ubuntu phone?18:56
tgBot<Jyoti> I use a bq E5 and the fonts are too small..18:59
tgBot<mariogrip> @xreactx, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/395 it's a know bug19:05
tgBot<Stereofont> @Jyoti, UTtweaktool?19:08
tgBot<bhushanshah> @mariogrip, I've patch for that btw19:08
tgBot<bhushanshah> (fixing audioflingerglue crash)19:10
tgBot<mariogrip> @turanmahmudov, Just to add my opinion on it. Sailfish OS has android support btw, seems to work for them. But my opinion is that, we are kinda "stuck". The fact is that we wont get any apps like Whatsapp anytime soon (or at all), this means we will not get users, and without users we wont get those "popular" apps that people really depend on. and this is an atempt to break this endless loop. Native will always be faster, smoother, better, less19:12
tgBotbattery hungry, uses less power and in overall much better, and some apps might not straght up not work.19:12
tgBot<mariogrip> @bhushanshah, oh! :D19:13
tgBot<bhushanshah> @mariogrip, But you'll have to wait for new year.. I don't have access to my laptop till 219:13
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> (in exchange for libcompat fixes :P)19:13
tgBot<Jyoti> Thanks,Lionelb19:13
tgBot<mariogrip> sounds works in general, but it also uses some old pulse.pa from vivid (since we use the same device rootfs)19:14
tgBot<mariogrip> so that's why it's super broken now :P19:14
tgBot<mariogrip> but just on bacon and FP219:14
tgBot<milkor73> @mariogrip, Thanks for your words, very important.19:15
tgBot<Stereofont> @Jyoti, I checked in there. I can't see a solution. We have no Accessibilty options. Something to add to the long list19:17
tgBot<mariogrip> @exar_kun im looking at you! https://github.com/userj/say-ubuntu19:18
tgBot<Stereofont> @Jyoti, You mean that the system font is too small?19:18
tgBot<bhushanshah> @UniversalSuperBox, Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―19:19
tgBot<rubencarneiro> @mariogrip, Looolll19:20
tgBot<xreactx> @mariogrip, Can you PM me?19:21
tgBot<Jyoti> Lionelb, i installed UTTweak tool but did not find an option to increase fonts... :-)19:21
tgBot<Stereofont> @Jyoti, Sorry. I suggested it without checking. Maybe someone here has an idea19:22
tgBot<Jyoti> Ok. Thanks, anyway :-)19:23
tgBotPaktosan was added by: Paktosan19:33
tgBot<vanyasem> @Paktosan, welcome19:33
tgBot<Paktosan> Thanks! Came here from a link in the Yunit group.19:33
tgBot<milkor73> @Paktosan, Hello Julian and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)19:36
tgBot<Stereofont> @Paktosan, Ahah. Did you hear about the Unity 8 demo?19:38
tgBot<Paktosan> Exactly.19:40
tgBot<Stereofont> Did you see the YouTube video?19:41
tgBot<exar_kun> @mariogrip, πŸ˜…19:42
tgBotberchio was added by: berchio19:58
tgBot<Ram_rdb> Anyone owns a bacon here?19:59
tgBot<milkor73> @berchio, Hello David and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)20:00
tgBot<berchio> Hi!20:00
tgBot<berchio> Anyone building Desktop Apps Scope?20:01
tgBotDion was added by: Dion20:01
tgBot<berchio> Or is it possible to reenable the Ubuntu Store?20:02
tgBot<Stereofont> @Dion, Hello Dion. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-botβ„’ Ask, chat, explore!20:02
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I thought there was someone doing that...20:02
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @bhdouglass, do you remember?20:02
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Desktop apps scope20:02
tgBot<Flohack> @berchio, No the store will close in 1 week or so20:04
tgBot<vanyasem> oh that's end of the year already20:05
tgBot<Dion> @Flohack, Why is it be closed soon?20:05
tgBot<vanyasem> @vanyasem, shit time goes by really fast20:05
tgBot<Dion> @Flohack, Why will it be closed soon?20:06
tgBot<Flohack> @Dion, Erm because Canonical has dropped the support in last April? =) And they made a promise to keep it open until end of year20:06
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> The OpenStore is not affected20:08
tgBot<berchio> It is possible to extract the scope from the store before it closes?20:08
tgBot<anpok> which scope?20:09
tgBot<berchio> Desktop apps20:09
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> libertine20:09
tgBot<Dion> @Flohack, What do you think UBports would do without the store?20:09
tgBot<milkor73> @berchio, Stefano Vergenassi may done20:09
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Dion, The OpenStore is not affected, it is our primary app store20:09
tgBot<berchio> @milkor73, Is he on here?20:10
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> He might be out being merry right now20:10
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zRIdcc02/file_3385.webp20:10
tgBot<Dion> @UniversalSuperBox, Thank you.20:10
tgBot<Flohack> @Dion, Hmm time for you to catch up with the news, we got openstore, where we placed already a lots of popular Apps, and people are very happy with it. Its a good replacement for the old store20:13
tgBot<Flohack> And yes, there was a copy of other stuff made, but without the consent of the original authors we cannot just publish it20:13
tgBot<Flohack> If you find the author and he wants his stuff still around we can put it there ^^20:14
tgBot<Dion> I will look in what it gets.20:14
tgBot<Stereofont> @berchio, David, what is thing that you want to achieve by having that scope?20:15
tgBotHenrik was added by: Henrik20:15
tgBot<Stereofont> @Henrik, Hello Henrik. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-botβ„’ Ask, chat, explore!20:16
tgBot<berchio> @Stereofont, Launch xorg programs?20:16
tgBot<popescu_sorin> hi Henrik20:16
tgBot<Henrik> Hi everyone!20:16
tgBot<berchio> @Flohack, Who has the copy?20:18
tgBot<Flohack> @berchio, I think @sverzegnassi ;)20:18
tgBot<Stereofont> @Henrik, Have you got Ubuntu Touch Henrik? btw. Dutch?  Norwegian?20:20
tgBot<berchio> @Flohack, Wrote to him, thanks20:21
tgBot<Henrik> @Stereofont, Not yet, I just read about it. I thought it was discontinued, but you still seem to be pretty active here. I'm from Germany btw.20:22
tgBot<Stereofont> http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch20:23
tgBot<Stereofont> We have a group for that too 😎20:24
tgBot<Henrik> Oh cool, thanks for the link!20:24
tgBot<Stereofont> @Henrik, Jonatan's article?20:24
tgBot<Henrik> @Stereofont, No idea, tbh. I basically stumbled across the website of ubports while looking for an alternative mobile OS. Heard of the UbuntuTouch project before, though.20:27
tgBot<Dion> I have BQ Aquaris M10 FHD Ubuntu edition. There is nothing developing on it. And it is worse that the Ubuntu Touch SDK is outdated and buggy.20:28
tgBot<Dion> I have not used it for few months.20:28
tgBot<Stereofont> Canonical dropped it but it is improved a lot since and there are ambitious plans for 201820:28
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Yeah, we're rapidly moving toward Clickable as the only way to develop apps.20:28
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Where you can use whatever IDE or text editor you want20:29
tgBot<Stereofont> https://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/2017/12/30/ubuntu-touch-lebt-und-stellt-android-apps-in-aussicht/20:29
tgBot<Stereofont> Henrik, are you thinking about getting a compatible phone? Maybe you have one?20:31
tgBot<Henrik> Sounds great! Is there any way yo get involved? My phone is most definitely not compatible (Verne's Apollo Lite from a Chinese manufacturer). How hard would it be to port UbTouch over? Kernel source is at least available for my phone. Or would it be better to get a new one?20:33
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Halium porting is by no means easy, and you'd need sources for the Device tree as well. Sad state of things.20:34
tgBot<Stereofont> @Henrik, Horribly difficult. Probably impossible20:34
tgBot<Stereofont> New 😎20:35
tgBot<Stereofont> Or used…20:35
tgBot<Stereofont> OPO seems a sound and inexpensive choice right now20:36
tgBot<Henrik> Too bad. ^^' … Then I'll have a the look at the currently supported phones. Thanks for the tip!20:37
tgBot<Stereofont> @Henrik, You heard that Anbox is coming?20:38
tgBot<Henrik> @Stereofont, Haven't heard about it but it seems to be interesting.20:39
tgBot<Stereofont> Transport and parking apps are unlikely to be available natively ever, so it should solve that problem for you20:40
tgBot<Henrik> Do I understand correctly that one would be able to run android apps on UBports with Anbox?20:43
tgBot<Dion> Will UBports foucs OS and SDK on Intel and/or AMD devices basically?20:45
tgBot<Stereofont> @Henrik, Not all. Not every one perfectly. Quite a lot of functionality though20:45
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bC4OdGFN/file_3390.jpg20:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9yJ9IbDH/file_3392.jpg20:46
tgBot<popescu_sorin> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/wJGCmmTW/file_3391.jpg20:46
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Dion, Hmm? The OS runs on Android hardware, mostly. The SDK has been neglected, but there are tutorials to setting up a development environment. Would you like one?20:46
tgBot<dohbee> @Jyoti, most things use grid units to specify everything, including font size. `export GRID_UNITS=16` or such in your ~/.profile to adjust font size20:47
tgBot<Dion> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes Sure give me information20:48
tgBot<Stereofont> @dohbee, πŸ‘ Many thanks20:48
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Dion, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html20:48
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> @popescu_sorin, Are instructions already public?20:54
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @TronFortyTwo, No, those were the screenshots that Marius shared20:55
tgBot<popescu_sorin> ^^20:55
tgBot<TronFortyTwo> oh whateverπŸ˜‚20:55
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i think anbox uses SDL for the graphic/input stuff?20:57
tgBot<popescu_sorin> and then there is the backend stuff20:57
tgBot<popescu_sorin> geeky stuff20:57
tgBot<lastdon82> @popescu_sorin, Kris did you install 16.04 dev?20:58
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i did on fp2, a month ago?20:58
tgBot<popescu_sorin> but i'm on stable now20:58
tgBot<lastdon82> ok20:58
tgBot<Mr_Doge> @popescu_sorin, teasing us badly20:59
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Also that's not Kris20:59
tgBot<lastdon82> @popescu_sorin, 15.04?20:59
tgBot<popescu_sorin> 15.04 ota320:59
tgBot<popescu_sorin> same on m10 tablet20:59
tgBot<popescu_sorin> still have to update the mx4 from canonical image20:59
tgBot<popescu_sorin> or i will just box the phone :D21:00
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i kinda like to keep it as original21:00
tgBot<Stereofont> @Mr_Doge, Pavlov's dog?21:00
tgBot<lastdon82> @popescu_sorin, ok same here on pro5 amd m1021:00
tgBot<popescu_sorin> the mx4 was from canonical21:00
tgBot<lastdon82> @popescu_sorin, both my pro5 and m10 are from canonical21:01
tgBot<popescu_sorin> nice :D21:11
tgBot<Waldbursche> Is 16.04 devel on M10 working suitable?21:14
tgBot<popescu_sorin> it's probably good enough to install and send bug reports :D21:15
tgBot<popescu_sorin> it will be more interesting to see who can fix all them bugs21:15
tgBot<Waldbursche> Is flashing without wipe working?21:16
tgBot<dohbee> i don't see why flashing without wipe wouldn't work21:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> To my knowledge, yes it works21:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> But, just like reinstalling the OS on your computer, back up your important data first21:17
tgBot<Waldbursche> I test it now. Who cares. It is the last day before the year is going down πŸ˜…21:19
tgBot<Waldbursche> @UniversalSuperBox, Thats right.21:19
tgBot<lastdon82> @Waldbursche, i did flash without wipe on both my bq m10 and pro5. I did backup though just incase21:19
tgBot<Waldbursche> πŸ‘πŸ»21:21
tgBot<Waldbursche> (Photo, 800x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uhKf8RDY/file_3394.jpg Okay, I'm on.21:39
tgBot<Waldbursche> Now i try to register the telegram app. I gave in my telephon number and confirm. But no code generated. Whats wrong?21:41
tgBot<popescu_sorin> hm.. telegram will send you a code via SMS or as a message if you have telegram on another deive (i think)21:44
tgBot<Waldbursche> I know. But on the screen the wheel is rotating and nothing happens21:45
tgBot<Waldbursche> Reboot makes not better21:45
tgBot<popescu_sorin> i'm amazed you got that far :D21:49
tgBot<popescu_sorin> at least telegram is starting on 16.0421:50
tgBot<Waldbursche> The wifi settings are empty 😡21:50
tgBot<Waldbursche> 16.04 don't work good. Any app crashed by trying to open. Only TG and sytemsettings going to open.21:55
tgBot<Waldbursche> Should i flash again?21:56
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I have a feeling this is due to not wiping21:56
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You should be able to go back to 15.04 at this point.21:56
tgBot<Waldbursche> I should don't try to stay in16.04?21:58
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> If you want to keep your data, you could go back to 15.0421:58
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Otherwise, I'm willing to bet that things would start working if you wipe21:58
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> It's still not perfect21:58
tgBot<Waldbursche> I haven't data to keep on m1021:58
tgBot<dohbee> i have a feeling wiping wouldn't really help21:59
tgBot<Waldbursche> Okay, i try it πŸ˜…21:59
tgBot<Waldbursche> It's weekend. I'm cool πŸ€“πŸ˜…22:00
tgBot<Waldbursche> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9BFMWF2g/file_3395.mp422:00
tgBot<popescu_sorin> :))22:04
tgBotawawi was added by: awawi22:13
tgBot<Stereofont> @awawi, Hello Amin. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-botβ„’ Ask, chat, explore!22:15
tgBot<awawi> Ok thank22:25
tgBot<Waldbursche> @Waldbursche, Same problem. I flashed with wipe.22:26
tgBot<Waldbursche> Screen rotation don't work22:27
tgBot<Waldbursche> Open Store shows non content22:28
tgBot<Waldbursche> Gallery and Browser app crashed, when i try to open it22:29
tgBot<Stereofont> @awawi, What is your first language Amin?22:33
tgBot<dohbee> not sure what's up with store22:33
tgBot<dohbee> the default installed apps shouldn't crash on start though, that's a bit odd22:34
tgBot<turanmahmudov> @mariogrip, πŸ‘22:42
tgBot<stefanomelchior> @Waldbursche neither file manager is working on nexus 5 with 16.04/devel r174, nor phone app nor messaging app22:43
tgBot<Waldbursche> Okay22:43
tgBot<stefanomelchior> I mean when I opened them the screen became white and no way to interact with these app22:44
tgBot<Waldbursche> same here22:44
tgBot<nfsprodriver> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2CWKE3vB/file_3396.deb22:44
tgBot<stefanomelchior> on the other side, respect last week end, TG can open, but, as you said, I can't receive sms22:45
tgBot<nfsprodriver> install that package and at least the filemanager will work again ;)22:45
tgBot<stefanomelchior> question: I opened the term app and the default location of the user is "/usr/share/click/preinstalled/" ... why?22:49
tgBot<dohbee> It's a preinstalled app22:52
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Yes, that's an ugly behaviour like many others :) You can switch back to old default typing … ```cd ~```22:53
tgBot<nfsprodriver> But I bet you knew that ;)22:53
tgBot<stefanomelchior> yep, I understand, but why not /home/phablet as usual22:53
tgBot<nfsprodriver> That's a good question πŸ€”22:54
tgBot<dohbee> Apps don't get installed to home either way22:54
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Also the Filemanager doesn't start from ~22:55
tgBot<dohbee> But because they are part of the default image, they go in rootfs22:55
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Maybe the global information, where ~ is, got lost (dirmodel ?) or can't be read in former way.22:55
tgBot<stefanomelchior> no, @dohbee, correct, but for any user normally the "starting path" should be his $HOME/22:56
tgBot<dohbee> Oh. I misread your question22:57
tgBot<dohbee> Not sure why cwd is wrong22:57
tgBot<stefanomelchior> thanks @nfsprodriver your lib file allows me see the directories in the phablet's home, but not the ircontent23:08
tgBot<stefanomelchior> surprisingly uRadio works fine ... almost better in 16.04 than in 15.04 (@malditobastardo)23:12
tgBot<nfsprodriver> ircontent = hidden files? Yes it really seems that xenial has different file system handling yet.23:13
tgBot<stefanomelchior> ircontent = their content23:14
tgBot<stefanomelchior> sorry23:14
tgBot<stefanomelchior> even though I enabled the visualization of hidden files, it doesn't work either23:15
tgBot<stefanomelchior> it is curious: I enabled GPS ubication and the Time&Date setting doesn't get it; ok , no problem: I used the location search and it affirms that Barcelona is UTC+0, which is not correct, since it shoud be UTC+1 as today23:30
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Before you use the system-settings time prefs, you should run … ```sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata``` … and select your time zone so your hard-and sorfware clock get synced again. That gets lost switching the channel.23:35
tgBot<stefanomelchior> ok, it sounds much better now23:37
tgBot<malditobastardo> @stefanomelchior, uRadio forever! best UT native app23:42
tgBot<stefanomelchior> ... but, i tried to set time and date automatically and the app crashed and the system looped, so that I needed to power it off with the power button, and to restart it again with that button23:42
tgBot<malditobastardo> I am tempted to try 16.04 but right now I am depending on uMatriks to be in touch with my family members23:42
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Yep, xenial is in very early state. But I think, we shouldn't bomb the group with what's not working. We should create a ticket on github I think.23:45
tgBot<stefanomelchior> corret @nfsprodriver23:46
tgBot<stefanomelchior> @malditobastardo uMatriks seems to work (at least I tried to chat with a botand it answered)23:46
tgBot<malditobastardo> @stefanomelchior, Great to know, thank you Stex :)23:48
tgBot<nfsprodriver> https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/39823:52
tgBot<neothethird> Fwd from UBports News Channel: Interested to help testing Ubuntu Touch 16.04? Join the QA-Team! … @ubports_qa_team … t.me/ubports_qa_team … Read https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/about/process/issue-tracking.html to find out how we work.23:53
tgBot<nfsprodriver> Thanks @neothethird !23:54
tgBot<neothethird> haha, you were actually just talking about this, didn't even see that πŸ™ˆ23:55
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