 I have a black background and green text on my terminal. Does that mean I'm in the matrix?
 YES
 Oh shi-
 no. it means you're stuck in the 70s
 oh
 light up that disco ball!
 https://twitter.com/JoeRessington/status/776922308179009536
 (Sticker, 512x341) https://irc.ubports.com/PwMkkA39/file_3359
 threadjackers
 yeah, i can't make it through 22 minutes of whiny attempt at taking the piss
 How to change DPI on unity8? Meizu MX4.
 somehow i don't think ubports is the one with "marketing" issues there
 @profetik777, So you earn the trophy of bringing me back from bedtime to Telegram. Good job boy. In case I was not sure if you might have a point and I would thought about talking with you on a fact-based level, well thats over now. I am sorry to say, but if you post public videos on the Internet, making fun of me and my posts, quoting off the screen only half of what I wrote, while people can read the real text, its just wtf. That is not how you sh
[00:15] <tgBot> your will of contribution and for teamwork, and I am afraid the door is closed now. UBports is better off with people that are teamplayers, not people with your attitude. This we can really skip. So you can be sure if there will be ever another membership application from your side, I will take care so that it will get rejected. Thanks and have a good day
 @SilentSt0rm, change GRID_UNITS environment variable. ithink you can export it in ~/.profile for example
 ie GRID_UNITS=8 or GRID_UNITS=16 or such
 i wonder how that appear.in is working out simon though. that might be more entertaining to watch :P
 Uh so back to UT? I'm happy to distract from the tension
 I successfully branched canonicals webapp demos to get back a couple things. I made click files aand installed them but I think they might be missing a dependency. Heres a screenshot from the log. Did the ota3 push removed the file mentioned?
 convergence!
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/ImSh4waS/file_3361.jpg
 no shouldn't have
 Can you run … ```apt list *xid*``` … ?
 well i'm not sure libffmpeg was shipped at all
 but don't recall exactly. i know ffmpeg is legally werid
 weird
 @Flohack, ugh, got the window region cut off. but the audio is there....
 but yeah you were never going to meet anyways.
 anyways, after speaking with @tsimonq2  and @lastdon82  we realized we were on the same page more than originally anticipated.
 i think it was productive and we didn't walk away calling each other names.
 On a point-by-point level, sure. You're right.
 Sure, but the way you've come into the community and handled this discourse leave me no room to respect you.
 We agree on points.
 ill be here regardless if im officially with the project or not.
 i don't really care at this point, respect the ideas.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I specifically made a point to not take sides on this issue although since I consider Dalton and Schyken friends, I sort of side with them on that. … But we discussed *points*.
 simon, are you turning on me so fast after such a great discourse?
 omfg
 Oh no, don't try that
 guys....lighten up.
 you guys are going to be great regardless.....
 @profetik777, I believed we agreed on somethings but not all :)
 delete your youtube
 @lastdon82 and that is okay. i think there is suppose to be room for disagreement.
 the goal is the same - better options for mobile.
 @profetik777, it  is fair to ask you to delete the youtube video though
 and i think @tsimonq2 made great points. @tsimonq2 did you record it too?
 or broadcast it?
 @profetik777, What I'm saying here is that we agree on logical points, and you know that, but where I don't have a strong opinion on are how those points were conveyed.
 It's obvious you pissed some people off.
 Don't get me wrong, that was a decent discussion.
 i thought so too
 But that was between three of many people in this group
 i thank you for hopping on
 Thanks for having me
 @profetik777, No, I didn't record or broadcast it.
 well, they can have an opportunity if they want too
 (Sticker, 382x512) https://irc.ubports.com/RPGMJ2Vu/file_3355
 ugh i gotta adjust the audio....
 @tsimonq2, 👍 We should put that into the group's bio.
 What did I miss?
 @JoeRess, I went on a video call with @profetik777 and @lastdon82
 Don't tell me I missed the conference call!
 You missed the conference call
 Which was recorded and I assume is for later use?
 @nfsprodriver, In a bit
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes
 Poast likn
 @JoeRess, Waiting on @profetik777
 The most important question is
 Did you get to the bottom of the bottleneck problem?
 Yes.
 Thank goodness
 We can't have a bottleneck
 That much is quite clear
 Well, we're all dying to hear it
 it really is anti-climatic, given talking things through can really be powerful in having a logic based discussion.
 Okay, I don't want to be preached to.
 but ill link it. the record region was misaligned, so it will be a lot of shots of all of our foreheads lol
 I want to know: What is the problem, and what do you propse to fix it
 @UniversalSuperBox, you don't want to be preached to and you don't want to know so enough already.
 but you might find your answer by listening
 perhaps.
 @profetik777, I'm sure the audio is far more important
 @profetik777, Can you share the link?
 sorry, daddy dutie, trying to mult-task here...
 Pls hoast on rapidshare
 I hav many rapids saved up
 Or megauoload
 Which is also gud
 again, sorry for the audio,
 we jumped right in so i rolled with it
 i re-upload after i clean it up.
 but here is the ra
 raw
 @JoeRess, ill do that another time
 being a daddy is causing a bottleneck
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH5djud5maM&feature=youtu.be
 Must still be processing
 (Photo, 800x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/cfRDfwaN/file_3363.jpg
 Yep
 OMG the recommendations tho
 Lolllll
 First of which needs deleted
 It's stuck on 95
 It's done
 Oh ok
 Decent audio on one side
 Simon sounds like shit
 Quality wise
 Yeah I know.  I wanted to fix it before releasing it but
 It's not an actual real show so
 Maybe next time :)
 Wow. You come across like Lunduke. Good going  👍🏻
 @JoeRess, That would be the first thing you say. Forget everything else. Good going
 Lol
 Be careful @JoeRess. You are getting too predictable
 so not going to delete it?
 Point, but I'm not finished with the video yet
 Wayne was being sarcastic
 ok, can't get through that video either
 I'm finishing it
 there's a certain irony about calling people intellectually lazy for suggesting one's post formatting is hard to read, while arguing about what is supposedly "good for marketing"
 feels manipulated after rewatching it
 @JoeRess, That's because the only mic I have is a webcam
 oh noes, simon was spellbound
 @tsimonq2, don't be!
 @tsimonq2, waits for harsh criticism about microphone choices
 @lastdon82, Heh well that's hard
 @tsimonq2, writes a very stern letter
 the lack of /me in telegram is amazing. especially when viewed from the IRC side of the bridge
 Okay, let's start with this.
 I implore you to read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
 Insults and attacks is not how we solve issues here. Pushing for A/V calls that we later post to Youtube is not how we solve issues.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Implore whom? (I guess you meant to tag @profetik777 or PM him?)
 No, he wants this public it's going to be public. In the community.
 ok
 You seem to come at us with a premise that the marketing team is still facing the same situation that you did when you joined. But we've come a long way in those six months.
 Apt get with UT or no?
 @alan_morford, strongly not recommended
 @UniversalSuperBox, Consent is the keyword
 @dohbee, You can, but I wouldn't recommend.
 I didn't know I was recorded but hey I told him what I think. It is not write with him posted that conversation with Flo at all
 @alan_morford, if you want CLI tools a plain chroot is pretty easy to set up for it. If you want GUI X11 apps, libertine is the best way right now.
 @lastdon82, Right*
 I thought the conversation was just him and Simon and that Simon knew that he was being recorded
 @lastdon82, if you mean the forum thread, I think Florian wouldn't mind were it a more respectful video and not skipping all over things to be a one sided faeces flinging vid. the forum is public after all
 @dohbee, Get u
 @JoeRess, Nick joined in after a few minutes while it was already recording. Nick was referring to the previous video about the forum post
 Let's leave all of that aside for one moment, and get to the bottom of it.
 The marketing team is not shackled.
 I made it clear marketing strategy is key for funding
 indeed
 Currently I am good with what we have going
 marketing is not really a major issue for ubports at the moment
 it's chugging along just fine
 Correct, but that doesn't mean that we don't have a team working on it. With people who love what we do.
 @dohbee, I agree
 @UniversalSuperBox, I did point that out and asked if he had an issue with Wayne being incharge
 @UniversalSuperBox, Right. And even if that was just a few devs who set aside some time for doing marketing bits, that would still be fine.
 @dohbee, That point was also raised. I believe in dev guys handling marketing as well if they have the exposure
 anyway, i'm off to pub. might pop in from the phone to see what happens
 @dohbee, 🍺
 @tsimonq2, how were you manipulated? i gave you ample time to speak, plug your stuff, and you raised great points.
 @JoeRess, He did, asked him to give me a sec to fire up OBS.
 (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/3uslyVYX/file_3364
 @profetik777 I've been instructed by staff members above my level in the Ubuntu organization to take small steps to restrict this discourse until the Community Council is able to take a better decision based on how it has played out. I'm sorry, and I hope you'll understand that this one is out of my control.
 @lastdon82, Correct save marketing for when we get carrier sold devices
 Drop it for now
 We can revisit when things are cooler
 Hey look at that http://cdimage.ubports.com/clicks/
 All the work I did and there they are. Lol
 2018 feels like the year we will have devices for the masses at carriers world wide
[04:07] <tgBot> captain_roof was added by: captain_roof
 (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ZA79w8H6/file_3364
 Hi @captain_roof! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[09:11] <tgBot> M4rtijn was added by: M4rtijn
 hi @M4rtijn
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/grVwEpM0/file_3365.webp
 Welcome @M4rtijn! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 Thanks guys, i'm allready reading :)
 Simon Quigley has been welcomed. Does anyone else want to welcome Simon Quigley? Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Do we have a proper SVG of this robot btw.?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kpi4w9gQ/file_3367
 @Waldbursche
 I can make one.
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/GLvw3A23/file_3369.jpg
 Unity8 desktop, now with mirror 0.29 :)
 @mariogrip, Mir not mirror :P
 @mariogrip, OMG OMG OMG!!! now i want that! :))
 but i am not sure how to remove 0.26 and install 0.29 :D
 because besides mir there are other packages that needs compiled against 0.29? qtmir and stuff?
 don't know "(
 @popescu_sorin, Pushing the install script now
 Pushed :) just run the enable-mir0.29.sh script
 @mariogrip, sorry, but I didn't understand very well what it is... is it a different thing from yunit, right?
 @mariogrip, muhahaha! thanks! :D
 now i haz to make another videoh :D
 that's the redsigned terminal! I want that :)
 :D
 the one with 0.26 is already old wololo
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUxVdURZdRk
 can you also try out unity8 stuffs like workspace switcher and windowing stuffs? :D I'm asking too much LOL
 not sure with workspaces is in this version of unity8
 I also fixed xapps :) but now quzilla will start in xmir
 wohooo :D
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/rtNQZ0mk/file_3371.jpg
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/4WrLDn6P/file_3372.svg
 @Waldbursche, hey, it isn't a vectorial image...
 @popescu_sorin, I was actually asking Marius :P … but that was just a rhetorical request... LOL
 oh :D
 @mariogrip shouldn't be xenial_-_mir29 in the script? https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools/blob/master/enable-mir0-29.sh
 after running the script i'm still on 0.26 :D
 line 16: echo "deb http://repo.ubports.com/ xenial_-_mir26 main" » /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubports.list
[11:09] <tgBot> Mr_Doge was added by: Mr_Doge
 Heyy
 Welcome back Mr Doge
 Thanks...🐶
 Anything we can help with?
 @Stereofont, Just building the halium rn, soon i'll need help
 When i'll come to the ub part
 I thought placing UT on top was easy😂 Outside my pay grade though 😎
 Remind people which device?
 @Waldbursche, Thanks, but it seems this is just a pixel graphic embedded in a SVG... 😆😅
 Does anyone know where that picture originated? Who made it? He should have a proper SVG or at least a AI file or stuff
 Wayne or Jan should be able to help
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LNkrnx6M/file_3374.jpg
 Hi, I read that UBports only supports click and html5 app in thr future. I hope it's still possible to pack a C++/QML app into a click package? I only found click tutorials with QML-only apps...
 MUHAHAHAHA! it works! @mariogrip
 @DylanVanAssche, yeah it's possible with c++
 Oh okay, since heavy lifting with QML will be super slow
 @DylanVanAssche, In the future, snaps, appimages and flatpaks also. That is my understanding
 As long as C++/QML combo stays supported I'm happy. If I want to develop cross-platform apps between SFOS and UT I need C++/QML
 @DylanVanAssche, If you are not in the OpenStore group I suggest you join
 I'm not, I will try to find it, thanks!
 The link is on the uAppexplorer page
 http://open.uappexplorer.com/telegram
 @peternerlich, Sorry, wrong file 🙈
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/waGQAWY1/file_3375.svg
 @peternerlich, I don't know
 @Waldbursche, Cannot check it atm, how did you get it?
 did you create it yourself?
 @Waldbursche, but did you vetrorialize that by yourself from the png?
 Yes, I'm created it myself from png. I don't know, who has the original of this.
 because I tried to let inkscape automatically approximate a vector image from the png but it turned out cluttered and unusable for repurposing or changing stuff
 system updates is now back in 16.04 images but it still doesn't work? On my Nexus 5, I'm still still in r172 and doesn't detect new updates. I think r174 is the latest
 @peternerlich, Yes, it is so. We should have the original file of this graphic. But i don't know, who this owns
 Probably should be some fairly tight controls on usage, since it is our logo?
 @Stereofont, You are over committing..
 @technicalbird, For sure, no guarantees. Nobody knows how it will turn out. In principle, any of those might be included. It is a question of how much 'desktopness' there will be, as UT 16.04 matures
 @Stereofont, Thats why i asked here a few days before for it is okay? And i asked Marius.
 It is about 'brand identity' so it should be protected against misuse at least
[12:11] <tgBot> alenicoli was added by: alenicoli
 Welcome Alessandro! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 Also check out https://t.me/ubportsitaliano
 @Stereofont, Strong rules makes difficult to find users which help to creat new things. Its my opinion.
 @Waldbursche, The stickers were great. I think there should be a simple method go get permission but that permission should always be necessary.  Others may see it differently of course
 maybe sticking 'ubports' on it would already help prevent misuse, because one can easier search for a name than for an image to get the context
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1x51w76Uw
 mir 0.29 muh better
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yKFg26th/file_3376
 how is it better?
 bug fixes
 and initial support for wayland clients
 i haz to try that part
 cool! will it land soon in 16.04 UBports images? :D
 mir 0.29? it's already on ubports repos
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 not sure when on the phone )
 @Stereofont, Mi 4, and RN4
[13:19] <tgBot> fide_gr was added by: fide_gr
 I have a doubt. @popescu_sorin and @mariogrip whit witch gpu/driver are running mir. Is possible use Wayland support in actual ecosystem to run mir, or is need it, specially support to mir in gpu drivers?
 @Stereofont, I agree 👍
[13:24] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> Just noticed it now
[13:24] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> Cant edit OSM with the browser now
[13:25] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> It was possible before
 Welcome @fide_gr! Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, you mean whether mir requires special driver support
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, i am using an intel cpu but i don't know how low level stuff works, probably using mesa whatever that is on desktop, and wayland is just a protocol, like a XML with text in it
 https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Foss drivers should mostly work
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mir-architecture/467
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez mir has a platform driver ABI - so you could support arbitrary ways to transfer graphics from clients to the compositor
 on Foss drivers the implementation uses dma buf fd and fd passing .. and kms on the server.. yeah there used to be drivers that could not do that in the past.. but we fixed the relevant ones upstream
 Wayland/wenston not is the equivalent to mir/miral?
 @anpok, Yes driver support specific to mir windows server/composer
 proprietary nvidia drivers won't work
 i havn't tried it on my amd card
 intel is known to work generally (some much newer, or much older chips, may have issues)
 (poulsbo doesn't work, for example)
 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-2017-Recap
 @wayneoutthere ^^ you might like that phoronix
[14:02] <tgBot> Carlos was added by: Carlos
 Hi, i'm carlos and i from Colombia. I'm a linux user
 @Carlos, Hello Carlos. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Carlos, Have you got Ubuntu Touch? Where did you hear about us?
 I want install ubuntu touch in a phon
 But i dont know
 I suggest you join the Welcome Room. Click the button on the link
 Also https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 @popescu_sorin, will this work on phones? 😁
 Umm ok
 @Carlos, If you make a Telegram username it is then possible to ping you and give invites
 @Javacookies, this is for the desktop, installs the unity8-desktop-session and add the ubports repos
 you need 16.04
 oh okay I see
 How to type CTRL+B in terminal of Ubuntu Touch?
 "2017/12/30 18:13:42 Done pushing /home/turan/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubports-062c39ed2b8d510ba40a5a05ed4ca0ba0a22a9f274a006dafcdad9395b202160.tar.xz to device … 2017/12/30 18:13:42 Created ubuntu_command: /home/turan/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu_commands678562421 … 2017/12/30 18:13:42 Rebooting into recovery to flash"
 @popescu_sorin, it's also running qt 5.9 btw :)
 stucks on here, phone shuts down and doesn't come back
 @Alex, physical keyboard, or change the keyboard function keys type at left just above OSK
 device is bq e4.5
 @turanmahmudov, manually boot into recovery while plugged to usb? also, you used the correct --recovery-image with ubuntu-device-flash i presume?
 @mariogrip, nice :D LTS
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=krillin —channel=ubports-touch/16.04/devel
 the problem started after upgrading to 16.04
 "adb reboot recovery" gives error: … "reboot failed: -1"
 okay, went to recovery mode with "volume up"+"power" buttons
 @turanmahmudov, default recovery image lacks adb support. you need the krillin recovery image which has adb, which gets passed to u-d-f with --recovery-image
 --recovery-image=krillin.img or what?
 http://cdimage.ubports.com/devices/recovery-krillin.img
 is the image you need
 @mariogrip, Ooooo
 @popescu_sorin, Popescu, we love you :)
 @popescu_sorin, Isn't this Unity8 thing similar to what has been done by Yunit team?
 Thanks a lot :)
 BTW, Greaaaatttt!!!!!
 changes in keyboard-component aren't included in 16.04 )
 Instagraph works smoother in 16.04 than 15.04 :D
 @turanmahmudov, yeah, work is being done to get the 16.04 builds up to parity with the 15.04 builds
 @dohbee, I hope I will see soon :)
 @popescu_sorin, Can I insstall in my S3 mini?
 @TronFortyTwo, it looks like but instead on working together they splitted lol
 and I want to make a comment about the last "anbox thing". I think bringing android app support to ubuntu touch is not good for developers. I am working hard on my apps (ubuntu clients for android apps) to bring more features. After android app support users would use android versions instead of mine
 I would stop developing for ubuntu if users start to use android apps
 @turanmahmudov, That is not the intention but it is a risk. We need to support UT developers like you very strongly. Doing that must be a priority for 2018. Thank you for your efforts 😍
 @malditobastardo, No working port so far afaik
 @Flohack, 😿😿
 (I was just kidding..)
 Samsung devices with Exynos. Got S3 to boot but no GUI
 @malditobastardo, S3 Mini was a suspicious choice 😂
 @Stereofont, Thank you :)
 @turanmahmudov, Thats the reason canonical never officially invested in anbox... or in using the inofficial chrome port to support android
 @turanmahmudov a native application will always feel better and work better..
 but user would use Android apps instead Ubuntu Touch apps
 I wonder if it will be possible to do any cross-application communication with applications running inside anbox ..
 @anpok, There is community here. It isn't just about technical matters
 @anpok, you mean other than using tcp/ip ?
 yes... I mean everything around content hub..
 maube using linux fifo? I mean if anbox is similar to sudo, service inside anbox could frite to fifo and service in UT outside of the container could be reading it, Theoretically
 or using filedb in a folder on anbox that is mounted with —bind switch from outside of andbox
 but I imagine that if there were 2 services one in UT another in anbox, they could just talk to each other via a socket
 I would still definitely use native apps even if Anbox is out especially if the native app is great like your apps ;)
 (Photo, 698x467) https://irc.ubports.com/DtmTqDnU/file_3378.jpg hmm I wonder what marius is up to
 @Stereofont, Well there was a early alpha port in 2013 or so
 @Javacookies, thanks :) but official Instagram app gives more features than mine, thats why users would use it, not mine
 I only make ubuntu touch clients of android apps
 @Flohack, UBports_archaeology 😎
 @turanmahmudov, Not all features of Android will be available, so some Apps might not run at all ;)
 @turanmahmudov, well you have a point,it's definitely a risk
 @UniversalSuperBox, Must be something good
 maybe they should make anbox available but make it work but not too good so users won't use it always 😁
 #abandon_android
 @Flohack, I hope so )
 Emulators are always messy and more limited than the 'real thing'
 It's a discussion that was hashed, and rehashed, and rehashed. In the end, this was the decision we made.
 If you like Android, change to Android.
 @Javacookies, 😆
 Hey guys where do I ask for feature requests regarding browser and accelerometer api
 It should widen the pool of app developers, which will move things in a positive direction
 @immanuelsamuel, https://github.com/ubports/webbrowser-app
 @turanmahmudov, you know what? I created an Instagram account just to test your app...I now use it for following hot chx, LOL
 @turanmahmudov, That would be a pity. The introduction of Wine never stopped Linux and associated FOSS from being further developed so perhaps Anbox will, in the longer run, merely be a useful additional tool. I might, rarely, want to be able to access an Android app where no alternative is currently available but I chose a phone that runs Linux for a reason (or for several reasons) so I am very unlikely to stop using and stop supporting UT because of 
[15:44] <tgBot> 'novelty add on' ;)
 When you cross the road you may be knocked down by a bus but that doesn't mean never cross the road
 @UniversalSuperBox, the decision was made without asking to developers
 anbox would be available anyways sooner or later for sure
 #NoveltyAddonBox 🤡
 we won't know its effect until anbox is out for quite some time....actually my apps will be the first ones to be obsolete when the bad thing happens 😂
 With Andbox you increase the number of users and lose programmers. That decision has been made and must be accepted, but that does not mean I think it is a good idea.
 @Javacookies, I also reactivated my account to test the app :D I also made a tinder client for ubuntu, while I was testing i met a girl there and we're together now 😆 ubuntu power 😆
 (Sticker, 448x512) https://irc.ubports.com/WhT6mUE7/file_3349
 no way! 😆 but you haven't even released it yet?
 @turanmahmudov, The Director of Marketing should be told about this 😎
 New programmers will come to support UT too.. you never know
 @Mark, linux + wine and ubuntu + anbox are different things
 @malditobastardo, Yes, I think so. There will be less distance to travel
 @mimecar, 👍
 @mimecar, 👍
 Being able to use Android apps, a programmer would make an Android app and use it on Android and Ubuntu Touch
 good thing I don't develop my for anyone...it's just really for my own use so I won't be affected regardless of what happens 😝
 To attract programmers you need applications to work on Ubuntu Touch but also on the desktop.
 @mimecar, Indeed. Thats why developing for UT native will be an incentive
 @mimecar, Agreed. That will come in the medium term. We will need to fill the gap in the short term
 One possibility would be to be able to program Ubuntu Touch applications using desktop applications (Qtcreator).
 @Javacookies, no I haven't
 At the moment, using the Ubuntu Touch SDK is not a good idea for application support.
 it will really be a good incentive especially if apps written for Ubuntu Touch can be snapped and run on any desktop distro that supports snappy
 Even if they are not Snap packages
 You need to be able to program a complex application without spending more time on the SDK than on code.
 yes of course 🙂 but for dependencies like the UT toolkit, snap would be better
 From anbox to snaps, we will have to make decisions, and every time somebody will be unhappy. But thats how life goes.
 @Flohack, that's true
 @turanmahmudov, then you should, I would definitely create a tinder account although I'm not even a bit interested with it 😂
 @turanmahmudov, I'm sure that is true from a technical point of view. Surely from a user perspective both are simply a way to safely run software from a different OS on our Linux devices?
 Hi guis i am new to this project and have not yet an overview how the structure of this community is setup .. i recognized some  .. lets say bad vibrations a few hours ago .. and while browsing the 34c3 play list i came across this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVdRMQsMkgc … I havent seen it compleetly yet nor am i aware of all the implicit groups and motivations here. So i dont meant to step on someones toes but maybe this talk and the 
[16:00] <tgBot> informations are halpfull in a way 😉 have a good evening
 I need Anbox for carsharing in Vienna. Cant have my own car, and they stopped the normal webpage. So for me it will help a lot
 Whichever path we take, we must manage risks, not ignore them. Risks are normal. We just have to walk around the hole, not step straight into it
 @Stereofont, I agree yes. But we have to learn this. Amateurs are not used to riskbased mgmt of projects
 @Flohack, 10000%
 @Flohack I need whatsapp for years, but I didn't ignore ubuntu and didn't go to use android for it
 with anbox users would use whatsapp on it
 And thats a bad thing how?
 and no one will develop any whatsapp client for ubuntu
 @turanmahmudov, Yes the userbase we have is not going back to android I think
 @turanmahmudov, That can never happen anyway,  even if a developer wanted to
 @Flohack, I also understand this, and I can imagine it will anyway sooner or later someone else would try to bring Anbox to UT. Much better if Marius can take care about it.
 This one must be for @mariogrip https://github.com/userj/say-ubuntu
 Roflmao!
 I can also see big impact in many IT news regarding the Anbox announcement
 anyway I just wanted to share my thought :)
 @turanmahmudov, It is not a negative thing to share and discuss genuine concerns. It makes us stronger and better prepared
[16:26] <antonlan> @tuhranmhttp://forum.ubuntuusers.de/forum/ubuntu-touch/ahmudov my oppinion is most these users, who use ubports would when they have the chance to use native apps for ubports, only until this is so they use android apps with anbox
 @Mark, wine is not really a good comparison. it's not a vm that runs windows apps. it's something that has to independently implement every API call in specific ways for apps to work correctly. hence, many apps do not work correctly
 @Javacookies, could make it run slower to save battery ;)
 or apps will only work by request 😝
 only whatsapp, snapchat, and tinder will work
 until some 14years old kid comes and hack anbox to run faster
 Either way, it would have happened
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 meh
 Yay! Mir is "working" on VirtualBox now!
 @Flohack, Same for me for parking in the tolled places in my municipality, they will never release the API of that app for anything different from Android and IOS.
 I get API with mitmproxy
 Mitmproxy or Charles Proxy reveals this in seconds. Also the Chrome/Firefox Developer tools can do the trick :) I got already all the API calls of the new Tinder webapp ^^
 Anyone know what broke the OnePlus One keyboard on ubp-16.04?
 broke?
 @xreactx, It isn't really 'broken’. The car didn't leave the factory yet!
 📵
 @xreactx, If you mean there are troubles with it appearing when tapping on entry fields, it's probably just old bugs (all of the fixes that went into the 15.04 builds aren't in the 16.04 builds yet)
[17:32] <tgBot> Thomas was added by: Thomas
 @Thomas, Welcome Thomas! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @dohbee, Gotchya
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Fsv07829/file_3380.jpg
 Any help?
 I have oneplus one
 Select device manually > Oneplus One
 Not working
 Nothing happens when I click on select manually
[17:53] <tgBot> psychoalternative was added by: psychoalternative
 @Beingmishra, What are you trying to install?
 @psychoalternative, Hello Virali and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 hi guys
 @Stereofont, Ubuntu touch on my Oneplus one aka bacon
 @Beingmishra, 15.04?
 @Stereofont, Whatever version installer installs
 @Beingmishra, 😂
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/xcGJ00i0/file_3382.jpg When tried as administrator
 @Beingmishra, Please join the Welcome Room. Click the button in the new member greeting
 guys, can i install ubuntu touch on unsupported device? can i compile it?
 @psychoalternative, With difficulty (lots) but only by building a Halium port first
 @Beingmishra click here pls https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Which device are you thinking about?
 http://t.me/UBports_Ru
 @milkor73, Downloaded the installer from that page 😔
 @Beingmishra, Follow us there and we will help you with the installation
 @Beingmishra, The Welcome Room link is also there
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 Hi Anton
 @oxxxygen, Hello Anton and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hi all =)
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 @Ram_rdb, Hello Ram and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hi! Happy new year! Somebody know how to increase the font sizeof ubports ubuntu phone?
 I use a bq E5 and the fonts are too small..
 @xreactx, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/395 it's a know bug
 @Jyoti, UTtweaktool?
 @mariogrip, I've patch for that btw
 (fixing audioflingerglue crash)
 @turanmahmudov, Just to add my opinion on it. Sailfish OS has android support btw, seems to work for them. But my opinion is that, we are kinda "stuck". The fact is that we wont get any apps like Whatsapp anytime soon (or at all), this means we will not get users, and without users we wont get those "popular" apps that people really depend on. and this is an atempt to break this endless loop. Native will always be faster, smoother, better, less
[19:12] <tgBot> battery hungry, uses less power and in overall much better, and some apps might not straght up not work.
 @bhushanshah, oh! :D
 @mariogrip, But you'll have to wait for new year.. I don't have access to my laptop till 2
 (in exchange for libcompat fixes :P)
 Thanks,Lionelb
 sounds works in general, but it also uses some old pulse.pa from vivid (since we use the same device rootfs)
 so that's why it's super broken now :P
 but just on bacon and FP2
 @mariogrip, Thanks for your words, very important.
 @Jyoti, I checked in there. I can't see a solution. We have no Accessibilty options. Something to add to the long list
 @exar_kun im looking at you! https://github.com/userj/say-ubuntu
 @Jyoti, You mean that the system font is too small?
 @UniversalSuperBox, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 @mariogrip, Looolll
 @mariogrip, Can you PM me?
 Lionelb, i installed UTTweak tool but did not find an option to increase fonts... :-)
 @Jyoti, Sorry. I suggested it without checking. Maybe someone here has an idea
 Ok. Thanks, anyway :-)
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 @Paktosan, welcome
 Thanks! Came here from a link in the Yunit group.
 @Paktosan, Hello Julian and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Paktosan, Ahah. Did you hear about the Unity 8 demo?
 Exactly.
 Did you see the YouTube video?
 @mariogrip, 😅
[19:58] <tgBot> berchio was added by: berchio
 Anyone owns a bacon here?
 @berchio, Hello David and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hi!
 Anyone building Desktop Apps Scope?
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 Or is it possible to reenable the Ubuntu Store?
 @Dion, Hello Dion. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 I thought there was someone doing that...
 @bhdouglass, do you remember?
 Desktop apps scope
 @berchio, No the store will close in 1 week or so
 oh that's end of the year already
 @Flohack, Why is it be closed soon?
 @vanyasem, shit time goes by really fast
 @Flohack, Why will it be closed soon?
 @Dion, Erm because Canonical has dropped the support in last April? =) And they made a promise to keep it open until end of year
 The OpenStore is not affected
 It is possible to extract the scope from the store before it closes?
 which scope?
 Desktop apps
 libertine
 @Flohack, What do you think UBports would do without the store?
 @berchio, Stefano Vergenassi may done
 @Dion, The OpenStore is not affected, it is our primary app store
 @milkor73, Is he on here?
 He might be out being merry right now
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zRIdcc02/file_3385.webp
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thank you.
 @Dion, Hmm time for you to catch up with the news, we got openstore, where we placed already a lots of popular Apps, and people are very happy with it. Its a good replacement for the old store
 And yes, there was a copy of other stuff made, but without the consent of the original authors we cannot just publish it
 If you find the author and he wants his stuff still around we can put it there ^^
 I will look in what it gets.
 @berchio, David, what is thing that you want to achieve by having that scope?
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 @Henrik, Hello Henrik. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Stereofont, Launch xorg programs?
 hi Henrik
 Hi everyone!
 @Flohack, Who has the copy?
 @berchio, I think @sverzegnassi ;)
 @Henrik, Have you got Ubuntu Touch Henrik? btw. Dutch?  Norwegian?
 @Flohack, Wrote to him, thanks
 @Stereofont, Not yet, I just read about it. I thought it was discontinued, but you still seem to be pretty active here. I'm from Germany btw.
 http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
 We have a group for that too 😎
 Oh cool, thanks for the link!
 @Henrik, Jonatan's article?
 @Stereofont, No idea, tbh. I basically stumbled across the website of ubports while looking for an alternative mobile OS. Heard of the UbuntuTouch project before, though.
 I have BQ Aquaris M10 FHD Ubuntu edition. There is nothing developing on it. And it is worse that the Ubuntu Touch SDK is outdated and buggy.
 I have not used it for few months.
 Canonical dropped it but it is improved a lot since and there are ambitious plans for 2018
 Yeah, we're rapidly moving toward Clickable as the only way to develop apps.
 Where you can use whatever IDE or text editor you want
 https://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/2017/12/30/ubuntu-touch-lebt-und-stellt-android-apps-in-aussicht/
 Henrik, are you thinking about getting a compatible phone? Maybe you have one?
 Sounds great! Is there any way yo get involved? My phone is most definitely not compatible (Verne's Apollo Lite from a Chinese manufacturer). How hard would it be to port UbTouch over? Kernel source is at least available for my phone. Or would it be better to get a new one?
 Halium porting is by no means easy, and you'd need sources for the Device tree as well. Sad state of things.
 @Henrik, Horribly difficult. Probably impossible
 New 😎
 Or used…
 OPO seems a sound and inexpensive choice right now
 Too bad. ^^' … Then I'll have a the look at the currently supported phones. Thanks for the tip!
 @Henrik, You heard that Anbox is coming?
 @Stereofont, Haven't heard about it but it seems to be interesting.
 Transport and parking apps are unlikely to be available natively ever, so it should solve that problem for you
 Do I understand correctly that one would be able to run android apps on UBports with Anbox?
 Will UBports foucs OS and SDK on Intel and/or AMD devices basically?
 @Henrik, Not all. Not every one perfectly. Quite a lot of functionality though
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bC4OdGFN/file_3390.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9yJ9IbDH/file_3392.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/wJGCmmTW/file_3391.jpg
 @Dion, Hmm? The OS runs on Android hardware, mostly. The SDK has been neglected, but there are tutorials to setting up a development environment. Would you like one?
 @Jyoti, most things use grid units to specify everything, including font size. `export GRID_UNITS=16` or such in your ~/.profile to adjust font size
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes Sure give me information
 @dohbee, 👍 Many thanks
 @Dion, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html
 @popescu_sorin, Are instructions already public?
 @TronFortyTwo, No, those were the screenshots that Marius shared
 ^^
 oh whatever😂
 i think anbox uses SDL for the graphic/input stuff?
 and then there is the backend stuff
 geeky stuff
 @popescu_sorin, Kris did you install 16.04 dev?
 i did on fp2, a month ago?
 but i'm on stable now
 ok
 @popescu_sorin, teasing us badly
 Also that's not Kris
 @popescu_sorin, 15.04?
 15.04 ota3
 same on m10 tablet
 still have to update the mx4 from canonical image
 or i will just box the phone :D
 i kinda like to keep it as original
 @Mr_Doge, Pavlov's dog?
 @popescu_sorin, ok same here on pro5 amd m10
 the mx4 was from canonical
 @popescu_sorin, both my pro5 and m10 are from canonical
 nice :D
 Is 16.04 devel on M10 working suitable?
 it's probably good enough to install and send bug reports :D
 it will be more interesting to see who can fix all them bugs
 Is flashing without wipe working?
 i don't see why flashing without wipe wouldn't work
 To my knowledge, yes it works
 But, just like reinstalling the OS on your computer, back up your important data first
 I test it now. Who cares. It is the last day before the year is going down 😅
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thats right.
 @Waldbursche, i did flash without wipe on both my bq m10 and pro5. I did backup though just incase
 👍🏻
 (Photo, 800x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uhKf8RDY/file_3394.jpg Okay, I'm on.
 Now i try to register the telegram app. I gave in my telephon number and confirm. But no code generated. Whats wrong?
 hm.. telegram will send you a code via SMS or as a message if you have telegram on another deive (i think)
 I know. But on the screen the wheel is rotating and nothing happens
 Reboot makes not better
 i'm amazed you got that far :D
 at least telegram is starting on 16.04
 The wifi settings are empty 😵
 16.04 don't work good. Any app crashed by trying to open. Only TG and sytemsettings going to open.
 Should i flash again?
 I have a feeling this is due to not wiping
 You should be able to go back to 15.04 at this point.
 I should don't try to stay in16.04?
 If you want to keep your data, you could go back to 15.04
 Otherwise, I'm willing to bet that things would start working if you wipe
 It's still not perfect
 I haven't data to keep on m10
 i have a feeling wiping wouldn't really help
 Okay, i try it 😅
 It's weekend. I'm cool 🤓😅
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9BFMWF2g/file_3395.mp4
 :))
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 @awawi, Hello Amin. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Ok thank
 @Waldbursche, Same problem. I flashed with wipe.
 Screen rotation don't work
 Open Store shows non content
 Gallery and Browser app crashed, when i try to open it
 @awawi, What is your first language Amin?
 not sure what's up with store
 the default installed apps shouldn't crash on start though, that's a bit odd
 @mariogrip, 👍
 @Waldbursche neither file manager is working on nexus 5 with 16.04/devel r174, nor phone app nor messaging app
 Okay
 I mean when I opened them the screen became white and no way to interact with these app
 same here
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2CWKE3vB/file_3396.deb
 on the other side, respect last week end, TG can open, but, as you said, I can't receive sms
 install that package and at least the filemanager will work again ;)
 question: I opened the term app and the default location of the user is "/usr/share/click/preinstalled/" ... why?
 It's a preinstalled app
 Yes, that's an ugly behaviour like many others :) You can switch back to old default typing … ```cd ~```
 But I bet you knew that ;)
 yep, I understand, but why not /home/phablet as usual
 That's a good question 🤔
 Apps don't get installed to home either way
 Also the Filemanager doesn't start from ~
 But because they are part of the default image, they go in rootfs
 Maybe the global information, where ~ is, got lost (dirmodel ?) or can't be read in former way.
 no, @dohbee, correct, but for any user normally the "starting path" should be his $HOME/
 Oh. I misread your question
 Not sure why cwd is wrong
 thanks @nfsprodriver your lib file allows me see the directories in the phablet's home, but not the ircontent
 surprisingly uRadio works fine ... almost better in 16.04 than in 15.04 (@malditobastardo)
 ircontent = hidden files? Yes it really seems that xenial has different file system handling yet.
 ircontent = their content
 sorry
 even though I enabled the visualization of hidden files, it doesn't work either
 it is curious: I enabled GPS ubication and the Time&Date setting doesn't get it; ok , no problem: I used the location search and it affirms that Barcelona is UTC+0, which is not correct, since it shoud be UTC+1 as today
 Before you use the system-settings time prefs, you should run … ```sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata``` … and select your time zone so your hard-and sorfware clock get synced again. That gets lost switching the channel.
 ok, it sounds much better now
 @stefanomelchior, uRadio forever! best UT native app
 ... but, i tried to set time and date automatically and the app crashed and the system looped, so that I needed to power it off with the power button, and to restart it again with that button
 I am tempted to try 16.04 but right now I am depending on uMatriks to be in touch with my family members
 Yep, xenial is in very early state. But I think, we shouldn't bomb the group with what's not working. We should create a ticket on github I think.
 corret @nfsprodriver
 @malditobastardo uMatriks seems to work (at least I tried to chat with a botand it answered)
 @stefanomelchior, Great to know, thank you Stex :)
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/398
 Fwd from UBports News Channel: Interested to help testing Ubuntu Touch 16.04? Join the QA-Team! … @ubports_qa_team … t.me/ubports_qa_team … Read https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/about/process/issue-tracking.html to find out how we work.
 Thanks @neothethird !
 haha, you were actually just talking about this, didn't even see that 🙈
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