[03:24] <jonny1> #ubuntu
[03:27] <daftykins> heh
[03:48] <BenderRodriguez> daftykins: tell me something
[03:48] <BenderRodriguez> daftykins: what do you think of Linux
[03:48] <BenderRodriguez> Linus*
[03:49] <daftykins> go away
[04:06] <Bashing-om> daftykins: ^ in the words of W. C. Fields :P
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:58] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Just in time to enjoy another cuppa motivational fluid :P
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om how was the night?
[04:59] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Still s l o w .
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> end of year emptyness
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> 2 january activity will come back, alcohol washes away :p
[05:00] <Bashing-om> LOL
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> haha
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> wow look who's back Ben64 awake?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> !info mofo
[05:17] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: had to rma my cpu
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: can you still find your #ubuntu users chart url for us?
[05:18] <Ben64> oh man idk
[05:19] <Ben64> do you have anything to help me grep it
[05:19] <Ben64> month, keywords, uh.. other things
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: crew told us you had something made yourself?
[05:20] <Ben64> yeah but its probably online somewhere
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[05:20] <Ben64> i probably posted it in this channel
[05:21] <Ben64> Sep 24 2017 00:32:38 <Ben64>	there we go, freshly graphed graph
[05:21] <Ben64> guessing september 24th
[05:21] <Ben64> https://i.imgur.com/JbW3Ntz.png
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> cool!
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> dax: https://i.imgur.com/JbW3Ntz.png Ben64 graph
[05:23] <Ben64> theres official logs though, couldn't someone make one from that
[05:24] <dax> lotuspsychje: that's line count, not users. as i think i said already, i found a users graph from another chanop anyway
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> dax: ok mate, just wanted to share if it 'was' usefull for you guys
[05:25] <dax> line count on the official logs is basically "hey look a fun downwards slide for the last decade with a little extra curve down when we set +r", i pulled them a few days ago
[05:25] <Ben64> ooh user count would be interesting to see
[05:26] <dax> (the official logs stopped including joins/quits/nicks around 2007, so I can't really make any inferences about before then)
[05:26] <dax> s/nicks/parts/
[05:27] <Ben64> my logs don't have user counts
[05:28] <dax> it's some HTML 5 thing behind a login but the tl;dr is +r took us from about 1750 to about 1100, and we're currently at 1200 after a few days -r
[05:28] <dax> might be higher than 1750, netsplits make it a bit of a mess
[05:30] <dax> the flavor channels had user drops over the same time period and didn't go +r, so goodness only knows where we'll end up
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> bionic will solve this for sure
[05:31] <dax> i hope so. i'm very impressed with it so far
[05:31] <dax> assuming the quirks from the 17.04 -> 17.10 upgrade are all ironed out for 16.04 -> 18.04 upgrades, i think it's gonna be quite a nice release to support
[05:32] <dax> not a lot of shiny new crap, so hopefully a decent amount of polish
[05:32] <dax> (from 17.10 to 18.04, that is)
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> new themes gonna do alot i think
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> they trying to get that unity feeling on gnome i think
[05:33] <Ben64> how about wayland though
[05:33] <dax> nvidia still defaults to xorg i assume. amdgpu's been fine with it, lotuspsychje said he had some performance issues with radeon
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> yeah wayland is another thing they will have to solve big time
[05:33] <dax> no idea about intel
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> weird thing is, tested a system with nvidia and that goes smoothly on wayland
[05:34] <Ben64> it's been seeming more and more like nvidia is not so good for linux anymore
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> thye better fix that stuff
[05:35] <dax> it's the same it's always been. nvidia closed-source drivers have good performance but lag behind on shiny new open-developed protocols/ideas
[05:35] <dax> the main difference is that AMD's doing a hell of a job on their open-source side
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> another issue im worry about, is ubuntu-desktop not to be lightweight anymore as unity?
[05:36] <Ben64> ubuntu-desktop was lightweight?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> yes
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> i installed 16.04 an soo many systems
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> best release ever for me
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> and will they leave xorg alive on bionic or not?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> thrilling future for ubuntu
[05:42] <dax> i'm assuming it's gonna be the same as it is on 17.10
[05:43] <dax> xorg's not dead upstream, so i doubt there's a rush to be rid of it, especially given the nvidia situation
[05:44] <Ben64> not sure if i'll upgrade to bionic or not this coming year
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> im running all machines bionic already Ben64
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> pre-alpha
[05:44] <Ben64> too risky
[05:44] <dax> desktop's on bionic. laptop's on 17.10 and will be on 18.04 when it comes out.
[05:44] <Ben64> i'm still trying to get my system stable
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> why? its rocksolid
[05:45] <dax> gonna see if i can ride 18.04 until EOL without getting bored and switcing
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> unless for the lagging mouse/programs on few wayland
[05:45] <dax> (spoilers: i won't, i get bored easy)
[05:45] <Ben64> new kernel might be nice, but i can get that here on 16.04 anyway
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> dax: same here, i refuse to take another flavor and use ubuntu-desktop as daily driver
[05:46] <Ben64> i just got 16.04 themed properly too
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> lol yeah you spent some deep time on that
[05:46] <Ben64> i can even grab windows to resize them
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> wow!
[05:47] <Ben64> default was 1 pixel border to grab
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> im too curious about the future gnome thing myself..
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> and what will happen to unity..?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> i see mariogrip did another magic trick in #ubports also with unity8
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> android apps support to come in few weeks for ubuntu touch
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> we aint seen nothing yet guys
[05:50] <Ben64> thought touch was ded
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> no
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> its big alive mate
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> everyone got ubports on his mobile now
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> and 1100 telegram group of devs & users
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> #ubports Ben64
[05:53] <Ben64> but i just got oreo on my phone
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> whats that
[06:01] <Ben64> android oreo
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:02] <Ben64> it's really nice
[06:02] <Ben64> oh yeah i forgot oreo includes the ability to theme
[06:02] <Ben64> might have to jump into that now
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:03] <Ben64> i don't like the light themes in android
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> i dont like android at all
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> im too paranoia for it
[06:56] <Bashing-om> 'Nuff :) .. take care .. g nite \o
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^
[07:31] <EriC^> heya lotus
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> how are you mate
[07:31] <EriC^> good thanks you?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> great here EriC^
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg
[07:33] <alkisg> good morning lotuspsychje, good morning everyone
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> im looking an easy way to add a picture in outlook mail from ubuntu, for my older aunt that gets confused with adding attachment
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> any ideas i could try?
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> she's on unity
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> cant rightmouse a picture as her email isnt configured locally with thunderbird, only online
[07:36] <alkisg> I've switched most schools to thunderbird even for the staff PCs that still use Ubuntu
[07:36] <alkisg> So I haven't seen the Outlook mail client for ages
[07:36] <alkisg>  that still use Ubuntu ==> sry Windows
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> even drag n drop a pic to outlook she cant do..
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> im out of ideas how to make it even more easy
[07:37] <alkisg> Thunderbird displays attachments inline though, I would imagine outlook would do that too?
[07:37] <ducasse> morning, everyone
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse morning mate
[07:38] <alkisg> There's right click to the file manager => send email
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: doesnt that goto thunderbird then?
[07:38] <alkisg> That starts a mail with that file as an attachment
[07:38] <alkisg> Ah you want it to go to a browser?
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah outlook.com
[07:38] <alkisg> I thought you were running the outlook email client, not the browser version
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> dont want setup a local client for even more confusing
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> she got like 1500 emails
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> you know old users right
[07:41] <alkisg> Maybe there's some http://outlook.com?mail=xx&subject=yy&attachment=zz that you could use to open pictures with the browser...
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> ill lookup
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> then i was thinking teamviewer, to do it for her...
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> but adding a pic should be the base reason why she has a pc right
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> i udnerstand her confusing, cause on outlook when you upload a pic, default is that outlook cloud service to browse in
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> so she says, they asking me for an account, and doesnt understand she needs to browse her pc
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:00] <pauljw> hi everyone
[14:07] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw :-)
[14:07] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)  staying warm?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's cool by our stds, but not real cold atm ..slightly below normal
[14:11] <BluesKaj> but the deep freeze will spill down again tonight
[14:20] <pauljw> yeah, we're going to be getting about 12 days of below freezing temps here, couple of nights below zero.  not crazy about it, but it is what it is.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> wb pauljw
[16:57] <pauljw> thanks, BluesKaj :)