| pleia2 | popey: people keep joining the #ubuntu-doc channel asking about google code-in things, and no one who lurks there seems to know anything about it, can you clue us in? | 15:55 |
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| wxl | pleia2: ask them to provide a link to their task instance. there must be something in the description that suggests that for some reason | 15:56 |
| pleia2 | they seem to be having a really poor experience since no one is hanging out there to help them out, I had never even heard about tutorials.ubuntu.com | 15:56 |
| pleia2 | wxl: I am not around enough to pitch in here, I usually see the messages after they've left | 15:56 |
| pleia2 | it would be good if someone leading this could join | 15:56 |
| wxl | ah actually that's the hint i need | 15:56 |
| pleia2 | at least an email to ubuntu-doc telling us that students would be pointed our direction would have been nice | 15:58 |
| wxl | i'm not sure that's the case | 15:58 |
| popey | Hm | 15:58 |
| popey | Are there tasks which point students to that channel? | 15:58 |
| pleia2 | I don't even know where the tasks are | 15:59 |
| wxl | popey: i'd start by looking at the tutorials one | 15:59 |
| wxl | as that's something one of the students (or more) mentioned | 15:59 |
| pleia2 | all I've found was https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-participation-in-google-code-in/271 announcing it back in October | 15:59 |
| wxl | s/\(one\)/\1s/ | 15:59 |
| pleia2 | it's a lot of people though, coming in through webchat | 15:59 |
| pleia2 | https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/30/%23ubuntu-doc.html | 16:00 |
| pleia2 | https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/29/%23ubuntu-doc.html | 16:00 |
| pleia2 | usually no one talks there :) | 16:00 |
| popey | I'd rather we pointed people at the #ubuntu-google channel | 16:00 |
| popey | As we all hang out there | 16:01 |
| popey | We can edit the tasks to use an active channel | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | thank you | 16:03 |
| pleia2 | I mean, I think the team would be happy to help if 1) we were told 2) we had anything to do with tutorials.ubuntu.com | 16:03 |
| wxl | yeah that would be a bit problematic XD | 16:04 |
| popey | I think it was just assumed that the doc channel was were the people who look after tutorials site hung out | 16:09 |
| pleia2 | according to https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/01/20/tutorials-ubuntu-com-goes-live/ it looks like it's a Canonical-driven thing that communicates mostly via GitHub | 16:26 |
| pleia2 | the docs team works on help.ubuntu.com, which still uses launchpad, bzr, the wiki and the ubuntu-doc mailing list | 16:28 |
| wxl | popey: you working on fixing those? i can help now if need be | 16:30 |
| popey | I'll take a look now | 16:31 |
| wxl | i'll work from the bottom up, you go top down :) | 16:31 |
| wxl | i'll just change to ubuntu-google? or leave well enough alone? | 16:31 |
| wxl | s/leave well enough alone/remove the IRC reference altogether/ | 16:31 |
| wxl | the way i read it, it suggests that the channel is a resource for help in re: keeping to ubuntu doc styles? | 16:32 |
| popey | i just changed the last line | 16:32 |
| popey | "* Join the IRC channel #ubuntu-doc on freenode" | 16:32 |
| pleia2 | where are these tasks? | 16:33 |
| wxl | what did you change it to? | 16:33 |
| wxl | pleia2: example https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/6319153562517504/ | 16:33 |
| wxl | they're all on the GCI website | 16:33 |
| wxl | of course you probably won't even be able to see that | 16:34 |
| pleia2 | wxl: doesn't seem public :\ | 16:34 |
| wxl | remove the "dashboard" from the URL | 16:34 |
| pleia2 | ok | 16:34 |
| pleia2 | ah, https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/?sp-organization=5133577048031232 | 16:34 |
| popey | i just changed -doc to -google | 16:34 |
| popey | done ~20 of them | 16:34 |
| wxl | aw shoot | 16:35 |
| popey | (there are 80) | 16:35 |
| popey | ( just searched for 'tutorial' in the task dashboard) | 16:35 |
| popey | seems I missed some, as some have the web chat link at the top | 16:36 |
| popey | I'll do keep going on them :) | 16:36 |
| wxl | i'll look out for that | 16:36 |
| popey | Thanks for letting us know about the mistake pleia2 | 16:46 |
| popey | Much appreciated! | 16:46 |
| pleia2 | just learned that the channel is mentioned on https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-guidelines#9 | 16:46 |
| pleia2 | "Join the #ubuntu-doc channel on Freenode IRC to chat with the doc team and share your thoughts | 16:46 |
| pleia2 | so this seems like a pretty awful mess, there's never been any discussion about this site with the docs team, but they tell people to talk to us x_x | 16:47 |
| wxl | yeah we'll need to talk to those folks | 16:47 |
| pleia2 | I'm dropping an info email to the ubuntu-doc list now in case anyone else is as confused as I am | 16:47 |
| popey | To be fair, the people who maintained that site are actually in the -doc channel | 16:49 |
| wxl | hm | 16:49 |
| wxl | here's that tutorial https://github.com/canonical-websites/tutorials.ubuntu.com/blob/master/tutorials/community/tutorial-guidelines.md | 16:50 |
| wxl | you could certainly file an issue against it, pleia2. that might be a good start | 16:50 |
| pleia2 | popey: why don't they respond to any of the questions? | 16:50 |
| popey | over the last few days, probably afk on vacation mostly | 16:51 |
| popey | I don't always reply on irc unless pinged directly | 16:51 |
| wxl | caldav and didirocks are the big contributors to that particular tutorial | 16:51 |
| popey | looks like that line was added about a month ago. | 16:51 |
| wxl | yep and by caldav | 16:52 |
| wxl | aka, in our world, davidcalle | 16:52 |
| popey | I think the assumption was just that documentation = -doc channel, so that was the default sane place to point people on irc | 16:52 |
| wxl | or davidc3 on launchpad | 16:53 |
| pleia2 | the topic of the channel is pretty clear as to what the team is for ;) I don't think the team would mind other documentation efforts joining it, but no one told us | 16:54 |
| pleia2 | feels a little unsettling to have our channel hijacked, and it makes us look bad | 16:54 |
| pleia2 | can't imagine it looks great when students join and we have no idea what they're talking about either | 16:55 |
| wxl | he doesn't appear to be on the docs team so that may have something to do with not spreading the word XD | 16:55 |
| pleia2 | I'll include David on this email I send to the doc team | 16:55 |
| wxl | yeah well, honestly, it's kind of been an issue in general over the past week due to the holidays. the timing sucks | 16:56 |
| popey | I don't think the intention was to hijack anything. | 16:57 |
| popey | Just point people at the most appropriate channel. | 16:57 |
| wxl | oh i agree with that | 16:58 |
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