[15:55] <pleia2> popey: people keep joining the #ubuntu-doc channel asking about google code-in things, and no one who lurks there seems to know anything about it, can you clue us in?
[15:56] <wxl> pleia2: ask them to provide a link to their task instance. there must be something in the description that suggests that for some reason
[15:56] <pleia2> they seem to be having a really poor experience since no one is hanging out there to help them out, I had never even heard about tutorials.ubuntu.com
[15:56] <pleia2> wxl: I am not around enough to pitch in here, I usually see the messages after they've left
[15:56] <pleia2> it would be good if someone leading this could join
[15:56] <wxl> ah actually that's the hint i need
[15:58] <pleia2> at least an email to ubuntu-doc telling us that students would be pointed our direction would have been nice
[15:58] <wxl> i'm not sure that's the case
[15:58] <popey> Hm
[15:58] <popey> Are there tasks which point students to that channel?
[15:59] <pleia2> I don't even know where the tasks are
[15:59] <wxl> popey: i'd start by looking at the tutorials one
[15:59] <wxl> as that's something one of the students (or more) mentioned
[15:59] <pleia2> all I've found was https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-participation-in-google-code-in/271 announcing it back in October
[15:59] <wxl> s/\(one\)/\1s/
[15:59] <pleia2> it's a lot of people though, coming in through webchat
[16:00] <pleia2> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/30/%23ubuntu-doc.html
[16:00] <pleia2> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/29/%23ubuntu-doc.html
[16:00] <pleia2> usually no one talks there :)
[16:00] <popey> I'd rather we pointed people at the #ubuntu-google  channel
[16:01] <popey> As we all hang out there
[16:02] <popey> We can edit the tasks to use an active channel
[16:03] <pleia2> thank you
[16:03] <pleia2> I mean, I think the team would be happy to help if 1) we were told 2) we had anything to do with tutorials.ubuntu.com
[16:04] <wxl> yeah that would be a bit problematic XD
[16:09] <popey> I think it was just assumed that the doc channel was were the people who look after tutorials site hung out
[16:26] <pleia2> according to https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/01/20/tutorials-ubuntu-com-goes-live/ it looks like it's a Canonical-driven thing that communicates mostly via GitHub
[16:28] <pleia2> the docs team works on help.ubuntu.com, which still uses launchpad, bzr, the wiki and the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[16:30] <wxl> popey: you working on fixing those? i can help now if need be
[16:31] <popey> I'll take  a look now
[16:31] <wxl> i'll work from the bottom up, you go top down :)
[16:31] <wxl> i'll just change to ubuntu-google? or leave well enough alone?
[16:31] <wxl> s/leave well enough alone/remove the IRC reference altogether/
[16:32] <wxl> the way i read it, it suggests that the channel is a resource for help in re: keeping to ubuntu doc styles?
[16:32] <popey> i just changed the last line
[16:32] <popey> "* Join the IRC channel #ubuntu-doc on freenode"
[16:33] <pleia2> where are these tasks?
[16:33] <wxl> what did you change it to?
[16:33] <wxl> pleia2: example https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/6319153562517504/
[16:33] <wxl> they're all on the GCI website
[16:34] <wxl> of course you probably won't even be able to see that
[16:34] <pleia2> wxl: doesn't seem public :\
[16:34] <wxl> remove the "dashboard" from the URL
[16:34] <pleia2> ok
[16:34] <pleia2> ah, https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/?sp-organization=5133577048031232
[16:34] <popey> i just changed -doc to -google
[16:34] <popey> done ~20 of them
[16:35] <wxl> aw shoot
[16:35] <popey> (there are 80)
[16:35] <popey> ( just searched for 'tutorial' in the task dashboard)
[16:36] <popey> seems I missed some, as some have the web chat link at the top
[16:36] <popey> I'll do  keep going on them :)
[16:36] <wxl> i'll look out for that
[16:46] <popey> Thanks for letting us know about the mistake pleia2
[16:46] <popey> Much appreciated!
[16:46] <pleia2> just learned that the channel is mentioned on https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-guidelines#9
[16:46] <pleia2> "Join the #ubuntu-doc channel on Freenode IRC to chat with the doc team and share your thoughts
[16:47] <pleia2> so this seems like a pretty awful mess, there's never been any discussion about this site with the docs team, but they tell people to talk to us x_x
[16:47] <wxl> yeah we'll need to talk to those folks
[16:47] <pleia2> I'm dropping an info email to the ubuntu-doc list now in case anyone else is as confused as I am
[16:49] <popey> To be fair, the people who maintained that site are actually in the -doc channel
[16:49] <wxl> hm
[16:50] <wxl> here's that tutorial https://github.com/canonical-websites/tutorials.ubuntu.com/blob/master/tutorials/community/tutorial-guidelines.md
[16:50] <wxl> you could certainly file an issue against it, pleia2. that might be a good start
[16:50] <pleia2> popey: why don't they respond to any of the questions?
[16:51] <popey> over the last few days, probably afk on vacation mostly
[16:51] <popey> I don't always reply on irc unless pinged directly
[16:51] <wxl> caldav and didirocks are the big contributors to that particular tutorial
[16:51] <popey> looks like that line was added about a month ago.
[16:52] <wxl> yep and by caldav
[16:52] <wxl> aka, in our world, davidcalle
[16:52] <popey> I think the assumption was just that documentation = -doc channel, so that was the default sane place to point people on irc
[16:53] <wxl> or davidc3 on launchpad
[16:54] <pleia2> the topic of the channel is pretty clear as to what the team is for ;) I don't think the team would mind other documentation efforts joining it, but no one told us
[16:54] <pleia2> feels a little unsettling to have our channel hijacked, and it makes us look bad
[16:55] <pleia2> can't imagine it looks great when students join and we have no idea what they're talking about either
[16:55] <wxl> he doesn't appear to be on the docs team so that may have something to do with not spreading the word XD
[16:55] <pleia2> I'll include David on this email I send to the doc team
[16:56] <wxl> yeah well, honestly, it's kind of been an issue in general over the past week due to the holidays. the timing sucks
[16:57] <popey> I don't think the intention was to hijack anything.
[16:57] <popey> Just point people at the most appropriate channel.
[16:58] <wxl> oh i agree with that