[15:55] popey: people keep joining the #ubuntu-doc channel asking about google code-in things, and no one who lurks there seems to know anything about it, can you clue us in? [15:56] pleia2: ask them to provide a link to their task instance. there must be something in the description that suggests that for some reason [15:56] they seem to be having a really poor experience since no one is hanging out there to help them out, I had never even heard about tutorials.ubuntu.com [15:56] wxl: I am not around enough to pitch in here, I usually see the messages after they've left [15:56] it would be good if someone leading this could join [15:56] ah actually that's the hint i need [15:58] at least an email to ubuntu-doc telling us that students would be pointed our direction would have been nice [15:58] i'm not sure that's the case [15:58] Hm [15:58] Are there tasks which point students to that channel? [15:59] I don't even know where the tasks are [15:59] popey: i'd start by looking at the tutorials one [15:59] as that's something one of the students (or more) mentioned [15:59] all I've found was https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-participation-in-google-code-in/271 announcing it back in October [15:59] s/\(one\)/\1s/ [15:59] it's a lot of people though, coming in through webchat [16:00] https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/30/%23ubuntu-doc.html [16:00] https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/29/%23ubuntu-doc.html [16:00] usually no one talks there :) [16:00] I'd rather we pointed people at the #ubuntu-google channel [16:01] As we all hang out there [16:02] We can edit the tasks to use an active channel [16:03] thank you [16:03] I mean, I think the team would be happy to help if 1) we were told 2) we had anything to do with tutorials.ubuntu.com [16:04] yeah that would be a bit problematic XD [16:09] I think it was just assumed that the doc channel was were the people who look after tutorials site hung out [16:26] according to https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/01/20/tutorials-ubuntu-com-goes-live/ it looks like it's a Canonical-driven thing that communicates mostly via GitHub [16:28] the docs team works on help.ubuntu.com, which still uses launchpad, bzr, the wiki and the ubuntu-doc mailing list [16:30] popey: you working on fixing those? i can help now if need be [16:31] I'll take a look now [16:31] i'll work from the bottom up, you go top down :) [16:31] i'll just change to ubuntu-google? or leave well enough alone? [16:31] s/leave well enough alone/remove the IRC reference altogether/ [16:32] the way i read it, it suggests that the channel is a resource for help in re: keeping to ubuntu doc styles? [16:32] i just changed the last line [16:32] "* Join the IRC channel #ubuntu-doc on freenode" [16:33] where are these tasks? [16:33] what did you change it to? [16:33] pleia2: example https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/6319153562517504/ [16:33] they're all on the GCI website [16:34] of course you probably won't even be able to see that [16:34] wxl: doesn't seem public :\ [16:34] remove the "dashboard" from the URL [16:34] ok [16:34] ah, https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/?sp-organization=5133577048031232 [16:34] i just changed -doc to -google [16:34] done ~20 of them [16:35] aw shoot [16:35] (there are 80) [16:35] ( just searched for 'tutorial' in the task dashboard) [16:36] seems I missed some, as some have the web chat link at the top [16:36] I'll do keep going on them :) [16:36] i'll look out for that [16:46] Thanks for letting us know about the mistake pleia2 [16:46] Much appreciated! [16:46] just learned that the channel is mentioned on https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-guidelines#9 [16:46] "Join the #ubuntu-doc channel on Freenode IRC to chat with the doc team and share your thoughts [16:47] so this seems like a pretty awful mess, there's never been any discussion about this site with the docs team, but they tell people to talk to us x_x [16:47] yeah we'll need to talk to those folks [16:47] I'm dropping an info email to the ubuntu-doc list now in case anyone else is as confused as I am [16:49] To be fair, the people who maintained that site are actually in the -doc channel [16:49] hm [16:50] here's that tutorial https://github.com/canonical-websites/tutorials.ubuntu.com/blob/master/tutorials/community/tutorial-guidelines.md [16:50] you could certainly file an issue against it, pleia2. that might be a good start [16:50] popey: why don't they respond to any of the questions? [16:51] over the last few days, probably afk on vacation mostly [16:51] I don't always reply on irc unless pinged directly [16:51] caldav and didirocks are the big contributors to that particular tutorial [16:51] looks like that line was added about a month ago. [16:52] yep and by caldav [16:52] aka, in our world, davidcalle [16:52] I think the assumption was just that documentation = -doc channel, so that was the default sane place to point people on irc [16:53] or davidc3 on launchpad [16:54] the topic of the channel is pretty clear as to what the team is for ;) I don't think the team would mind other documentation efforts joining it, but no one told us [16:54] feels a little unsettling to have our channel hijacked, and it makes us look bad [16:55] can't imagine it looks great when students join and we have no idea what they're talking about either [16:55] he doesn't appear to be on the docs team so that may have something to do with not spreading the word XD [16:55] I'll include David on this email I send to the doc team [16:56] yeah well, honestly, it's kind of been an issue in general over the past week due to the holidays. the timing sucks [16:57] I don't think the intention was to hijack anything. [16:57] Just point people at the most appropriate channel. [16:58] oh i agree with that