 Now happy new year to all of you
 Happy new year, everybody
[00:04] <tgBot> <rémus Rome> Bonne année
 Happy New Year 🍹
 Happy new year 🐧
 Happy 2018!
 Happy new year from the Netherlands!
 Happy New Year from Ukraine!
 @M4rtijn There is a Dutch UBports group as well, you can join if you want to. t.me/UBports_NL
 Happy new year from Argentina!!!
 Happy new year from the Czech Rep. (@milkor73 )
 @Ebrcnec, Happy feliz feliz, en 2 horas y 20min!
 Happy 2018 from Edinburgh to us, the most righteous phone hackers and users on planet Earth <3
 (Sticker, 482x512) https://irc.ubports.com/I0WAGEEp/file_3436
 Happy New year
 but no! @exar_kun and I are still enjoying the sweet pages of UBports history back here in 2017,...
 That's how we Euros felt while the Aussies and Kiwis led the time travel adventures into the future!
 Happy New Year you bunch of lovely lads and ladies!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Xr00sqVw/file_3437.webp
 I think we are the last time zone and we still have about 4 annoying hours left.  Ialways go to sleep by 10pm but UBports has made me excited enough that I might actually make it to the cliche midnight hour :)  I must say UBports must have impacted me...
 Actually, to be honest, i'm spending the last few hours of this year on UBports right now.  I'm brainstorming....and putting the storm to paper..
 1.75 hours left here
 lucky.
 poor trees.
 but no... @exar_kun just figured out that, even though they don't say it anywhere, that View Your Mind (mind mapping software) is availiable via sudo apt install vym  (of course it doesn't show up in the bloomin' software centre).  No trees died for this test
 When we move to Qt5.9, apps and OS components must be updated/recompiled to take advantage of this right?
 What was this about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGfwLqaVa0&t=1819s
 just a noob poser developer here asking 😝
 @AresMinos, Someone tweeted Lunduke to say we were mad at hom
 ... That's about it.
 oh, but he still dissed the whole project unfortunately. Here is the right link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGfwLqaVa0&t=3708s
 Yeah
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 It happens
 oh well, I like Lunduke but he lives outside of a normal users perspective
 on second thought, outside of any users perspective, a retro one maybe :O
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 Tldr.. let's ignore whole thing
 IT'S OVER!! At least here in Germany. It's finally quieted up and our dog worked up the courage to display strong intent to finally go and release the pheromone filled waste products of his body at trees...
 woow, no one reading this for five minutes huh? Only happening once a year...
 30 minutes
[05:43] <tgBot> bneo99 was added by: bneo99
 Heyyyyyy!
 heyyyy
 What's up?
 nothing haha... opened my telegram in ages and found out that you guys switched to a supergroup so thought i might as well join
 :)
 Well... Welcome! (Again)
 Oh, a lot more changed since that...
 Is the old group still being used? As in for asking questions regarding porting and stuff
 Well, it's certainly there
 You'r not new, but still, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome, since so much changed
 okay, thanks!
 e.g. make sure you are subscribed to the news channel, check out if any of the language groups appeal to you...
 @peternerlich, there seems to be a bug regarding this indicator @Flohack
 (Photo, 540x574) https://irc.ubports.com/rNAOq5D6/file_3439.jpg
 Im kinda lost since last time when i was porting we have yet to have halium. Currently to get Ubports should I just try to port halium then use the ubports rootfs or is there still a way to port ubports like how it was on the early stages
 Hap-hap-happy new year!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/AOyGkniw/file_3440
 @bneo99, I guess you could use the 'old way', but Halium shouldn't be too far removed from a 5.1 tree
 I'm currently trying to use the Halium method as the device im trying to port (Nvidia Shieldtablet) has stable android 7.1.2 . But based on my previous experience on using both methods I can never get the device to boot the boot.img that I compiled
 @AresMinos, he called the project 'terribly uninteresting'.  That's funny because that's EXACTLY how I described his show to a few people just before he released that comment.  This guy is a class A _ (insert your favourite adjective) and what's most important is that we need to stop valuing guys like this and OMG Ubuntu as legitimate media sources.  Because they aren't.  They are just a stream of opinion like any other blogger with a keyboard
[06:12] <tgBot> microphone.   … But... The Ubuntu Touch Audiocast is the *authorized voice* of All Things Ubuntu (and Ubuntu Touch) starting ...well... right now.  I just authorized myself.
 can I please get a second stamp of authorization?  Anyone will do.
 now that we've all dissed each other, at least he is covering free/open stuff sometimes so let's just eat the meat and spit out the bones
 Okay
 was that your inner Durst releasing?
 @bneo99, I'm working on some changes to Ubuntu Touch so we can use hybris-boot, which is much simpler than the old initrd
 Brings pros and cons, hopefully I can make the cons less... Con.
 okay
 But anyway, it has some better debugging capabilities
 And you'd use it to test the port initially anyway, so maybe you can figure out why it won't boot.
 did you finally get your new years?  we're still waiting this thing out
 Yep
 phew.  now that's finally done let's do 2018
 oh wait.  i still have another few hours here..
 I'd love to stay up with you... But at the same time I really wouldn't.
 enjoy the zzz
 I will
 Good morning and Happy New year to everyone!!! 🤘
 almost, Sami, almost
 1 hour left for this zone :)
 I have not been awake for new years in about 10 years.  I think I'll keep my tradition.  :)  gnight!
 😃👍
 Happy new year guys!
 Happy new year, everyone!
[08:09] <tgBot> A was added by: A
 Happy New Year everyone
 Happy New Year!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/oxDFGiLo/file_3441.mp4
 @A, Welcome A! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @AresMinos, it was my twitter post .. 🤡
 Happy New year guys!!!!!
 Welp, guess I still alive
[11:14] <tgBot> <Callum Pearson> @Mr_Doge, Who is he? Why was Donald Trump on his show?
 @Callum Pearson, he is lunduke, a journalist (kinda) and he does that every thursday
 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/01/silicon-valley-eating-soul-google-facebook-tech
 @Stereofont, i stopped using fb, instagram, and snapchat,
 @Mr_Doge, same++
 i will be exiting whatsapp soon,
 shame you haven't already ;)
 @vanyasem, my girl is on there ... :P.. but things are not going so nice  so .....
 @Mr_Doge, I didn't start 😎
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gWJ4yGyq/file_3443.mp4
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/n0hWQ3ZL/file_3444.mp4
 Instagram is cool for posting weird stuff under a fake name
 Especially when there is Instsgraph
 Instagraph*
[12:53] <tgBot> Chauhansukram was added by: Chauhansukram
 Sukram Arya: … I love Linux and I want ubuntu on my phone HTC 526G plus... can you suggest me how to flash on HTC. Is this safe ???
 Welcome @Chauhansukram! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed.
 @Chauhansukram, you have to build it first
 if it is not already build
 *built
 Yep, it's not in https://ubports.com/page/devices. From the FAQ: If you should want to get involved in porting, this guide (https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/UBports-Development-Information) might be of interest.
 @Chauhansukram, It is not like a ROM with TWRP. Your phone has only 1Gb of RAM and a Mediatek processor, so it is totally unsuitable. Do not waste time on it
 On that notice, what would the road be to try and make a low end fork?
 e.g. with lubuntu as base
 Don't. Just fix the bugs
 No, I'm aware this will not get made, certainly not through me, but as a thought experiment, how hard would it be? (as in: how, "very"?) What makes UT not comparable wih Android devices (other than that it's simply targeting high end devices and convergence etc.)? Is it just the whole abstraction stuff?
 I suppose the abstraction process is so resource intensive that there has to be a big payoff, to justify all that effort? Lite and minimal would seem like a let down?
 No. It's not abstraction. It's just in need of optimization and bug fixes
 E4.5 is 1GB and mtk, and Ubuntu worked fine on it
 Yes, I have it as a daily driver
 It works... ok
 For an individual to tackle MTK would be unwise though
 Well, sure. Mediatek is awful. But to outright say a port isn't worth it because 1GB, is not good.
 If there's no kernel/device trees, a port isn't feasible. But if they are available, then I don't see why one couldn't port.
 @dohbee, I am guessing that most would want to run Anbox ultimately and it seems that 1Gb of RAM wouldn't cut it, even with optimisation?
 @Stereofont, It would probably be fine. The reason Anbox isn't getting supported on the E4.5 and such, is because of the kernel, not the RAM.
 Anbox requires changes to the kernel, and I think those changes need 3.10+ kernel. so any device that's stuck on 3.4 (android 4.4 kernel) won't get it.
 The patches are simple enough to backport though
 well if someone wants to backport them, that's great. but my understanding was that the core ubports devs do not want to take on the extra burden of maintaining that
 Yeah.. nevertheless, ubports devs will have to do that for e.g hammerhead kernel (considering it's core device...) Or maybe not .. I am not sure
 i think hammerhead can run newer kernel
 No :-( there is 3.10 kernel somewhere but it's broken beyond repair..
 At some point though you'll be able to use mainline kernel.. 😛
 I'm adding bits and pieces in mainline
 Just got display working this holidays
 Useless
 You cannot just boot hammerhead on a newer kernel
 In the kernel you have dtbs and camera stack
 sure you can
 boot != use all hardware
 Dtbs, fine but until you get the camera stack right
 It won't even boot
 Uhhh
 @bhushanshah, Personal experience
 I totally have idea of what I'm talking about
 Unless you can add the camera changes it won't boot
 that makes no sense
 @bhushanshah, Implies you don't
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 i can completely remove the camera module and my phone will still boot
 @dohbee, Go ahead
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/wDrCJbb0/file_3445.jpg Here is hammerhead "booting" mainline kernel, nothing fancy, just framebuffer supported at this point
 Wow, very good!
[14:25] <tgBot> Revolvo was added by: Revolvo
 @Revolvo, Hello Revolvo. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @bhushanshah, You know, Framebuffer is more than most devices have.
 hybris-boot can't even access the Framebuffer on potter. sad day.
 @UniversalSuperBox, you need more magic i guess
 @Stereofont, Gert article. Underscores our earlier discusssions of 'what is a smartphone' on audiocast. Thanks for sharing and super encouraging for Ubports team. Reignites our 'why'
[16:48] <tgBot> SenorPunto was added by: SenorPunto
 Welcome @SenorPunto! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get up to speed, please have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 Ok. Thanks
 Hi guys! It's two days I'm waiting for the account-confirmation-email of the ubports forum, is this normal?
 Hi. I want to install the UBPorts in a BQ M10 FHD tablet. I had ubuntu from canonical, changed to android and now i want to put the UBPorts in it. May you tell me whitch is the best and easist way to do that?
[18:27] <Fardale> @Jyoti, you can use the ubport installer
[18:27] <Fardale> make sure to backup all your data before
 Hi @Pgcor, it seems to be "normal" at the moment, as several people - myself included - have the same problem. Not sure when that is going to be fixed 😕
 Thanks! The ubports installer can install from android? Because the tablet has now android
 @Ingo_FP_Angel, Ok thanks 👍
 It does suck a bit not being able to reply to one or two existing topics, though...
 And another question: i think that maybe there are some diferent versions or chanells. I want a development version in order to have the last updates... Is it possibly
 ?
 Yes it's possible.
 you just go into your settings and update the channel. Oh @UniversalSuperBox is typing. he will answer better :)
 i think you need to use the mtk flash tool to repartition perhaps?
[18:33] <Fardale> @Jyoti, yes, it only need access to the bootloader
 Yes
 @Ingo_FP_Angel, I'm instead waiting to open a new thread
 Is suposed to install the ubports installer in the laptop and after that connect the tablet to it? Or install the ubports installer directlly in the tablet?
 You'll need to access the Bq support website and type your serial number in it
 They'll give you the images that you need to use their flash tool to install
 To Ubuntu
 Then you need to use the UBports installer
 Ok. I have debian lxde in my laptop. Hope it's work :-)
 So you install our Ubuntu after you install factory Ubuntu
 @UniversalSuperBox can you point @Pgcor and me to the right person who can fix the ubports forum registration confirmation e-mail?
 So,Dalton, i need to install first the original Ubuntu image and only after the ubports image?
 @Ingo_FP_Angel, Looking into it right now.
 @Jyoti, Yes
 Brilliant, thanks 👍
 Ok. I will try. I am a litlle bit afraid, 'cause my knowleage of this kind of thinks is like my knowleage of the english language :-)
 Make sure "Format All" is unchecked. That's the only tip I know
 Maybe someone else has had to use SP Flash Tool to flash their device
 So, just to confirm: the ubports installer is suposed to be installed in my debian laptop, correct?
 yes
 But you also need SP Flash Tool before that
 Ok. Thanks a lot
 okay I have a OPO
 I want to flash ubuntu on it
 I have a windows 10 laptop to flash ubuntu on phone
 so the installer can help me?
 yes
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Y77FH007/file_3446.mp4
 haha
 which version is recommended
 who was in here a few days ago and needed a specific twrp version for nexus 5?
 or was that for a pro 5?
 uh, telegram won't let me @ people it seems :(
 latest one .. duh?
 @Ram_rdb, http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/master/
 @peternerlich, I was asking the one to be used for my device
 @Mr_Doge, is 16.04 more good?
 or 15.04
 15.04 is the stable release
 16.04 is not at feature parity, and has more bugs still
 is ui different in 16.04?
 If you want to use your phone in any capacity, use 15.04
 If you want to test, report bugs, and help develop, use 16.04
 oh okay
 @Ram_rdb, no, same basic ui still
 thanks
 um you have opo?
 i don't
 umm okay
 anyone else here?
 several people do. i don't know if anyone currently here is using opo
 happy new year guys
 is any of you know if the ubports installer has issues with Nexus 5?
 It does not
 But it does have general issues. What's the problem>
 dang
 (Photo, 795x620) https://irc.ubports.com/s1eDEH60/file_3448.jpg
 it is like this for an half an hour by now
 I started the process using terminal and in terminal is keep showing this
 (Photo, 644x357) https://irc.ubports.com/nQuXb4df/file_3450.jpg
 and the device is in recovery mode
 OS and version?
 Linux mint 18.03
 last time it worked
 Okay, which format did you download the installer?
 deb
 Well. You can try starting the installer with sudo. If that doesn't work, try downloading the AppImage, make it executable, and run it from the terminal.
 ok
 I will try the installer with sudo first
 installer isnt recognizing my device
 what can I do?
 select it manual
 checked all the drivers
 it wont recognize it in fastboot then
 anyway we can flash without installer?
 okay the cpt thing is working
[19:58] <tgBot> <Willy Weinmann> Did you activate the developer mode on your device?
 yes
 (Photo, 1366x768) https://irc.ubports.com/GglqpzG0/file_3452.jpg
 using this now
 its taking so long to download
 @Ram_rdb, might be your internet connection
 I dont think so
 have someone used this method?
 what is the server from the app is downloading?
 system-image.ubports.com
 ubport or ubtouch?
 @Ram_rdb, On my OPO i first used the mdt to unlock it. After that it went smooth with the ubports installer.
 I use Windows😕
 mdt not available
 @Ram_rdb, Time to use linux?
 @Jyoti, Seems like joining the Welcome Room would be a good idea. Click on the button inside one of the welcome messages
 I will love to
 not a personal pc
 starting ubuntu on virtual box
 lets see how that goes
 @Ram_rdb, never
 You will have USB problems I think
 ?
 Live USB maybe
 @UniversalSuperBox sorry dalton but I might be blind ... I could not found the link to the appimage
 you need to pass through the usb device
 @ebetonro, https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/tag/0.1.9-beta
 thank you
 could someone please point me to the current Dekko repo?
 (Photo, 1366x768) https://irc.ubports.com/yP3BMZQY/file_3454.jpg
 it hanged here now
 @AresMinos, https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks :D
 Also, another question. How is the battery life on nexus5? And is there a good audio recorder app for Ubuntu Touch? I have an Nexus 5 that I use as audio recorder with rode smartlav+ and if those critera can be met I will switch the n5 to Ubutnu Touch :)
[20:56] <tgBot> <Anthony Tonio> Happy New Year everyone!
 nvm, I think there is an app https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/audio-recorder.ubuntu-dawndiy
 finally
 success
 @Ram_rdb, that make 2 of us
 you also installed?
 yeap
 opo?
 n5
 okay
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/HsAULAQS/file_3455.click
 @AresMinos ^
 any apps or games recommended?
 telegram? :P
 does it work?
 say me yes please
 as for games i lose a lot of time with swipeout nowadays
 and what social apps are available?
 whatsapp?
 @Ram_rdb, that is close source ... but look at last comunity update on youtube and you will know what is preparing
 link please
 https://ubports.com/blog/community-updates-5
 @Ram_rdb, telegram works yes
 the official unofficial app
 http://www.wapp4phone.com/software/whatsapp-ubuntu-phone-touch/
 whats this?
 is it working?
 no
 ok
 best thing
 ubuntu imports contacts from google
 @mateosalta, Thanks :)
 I am in love with this now
 @Ram_rdb, Animal farm
 oh
 @Ram_rdb, A good App that I like it very much is indicator weather
 uAdBlock - uRadio - cloud music
 I will try
 any snapchat client available?
 no
 Snapchat C&D any 3rd party clients
[21:39] <tgBot> Mart was added by: Mart
 usb not working>?
 should work
 is just mtp
 Hi Mart! I'm part of the Welcoming Team! Please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 cant see in my pc
 @Ram_rdb, You can use Whatsapp on Ubuntu Touch with LoquiIM, it only works for one-on-one chats, though.
 no group chats?
 okay I flashed twrp and it did not boot to recovery
 @Ram_rdb, Nope, unfortunately not
 ok
 That's the thing with closed-source services
 https://telegram.me/joinchat/BlpqfQk1L0l0PJTnM02yxQ
 @Georgecloon, That's the link for e LoquiIM Telegram group, join if you want to
 any settings for usb connection?
 I don't think so
 @Ram_rdb, TWRP doesn't work with Ubuntu Touch. There is a UBports recovery
 any other recovery
 from where I can transfer files
 WiFi Transfer app?
 and anyone got that orange image appears when we start device
 i mean, you can enable developer mode and ssh too
 it shows up after boot logo
 @dohbee, where is dev mode?
 i don't know why mtp wouldn't work under windows though
 in system settings
 Oneplus one-specific bug
 ah
 @UniversalSuperBox, err, mtp, or the aforementioned orange image on boot?
 MTp
 @Ram_rdb, Not every device shows Yumi robot on boot
 I have no idea what orange image he's talking about
 ok
 (Photo, 480x800) https://irc.ubports.com/OSrGjs87/file_3457.jpg
 like this
 but orange bg
 Okay
 What are you looking for?
 oh yes, the boot screen is normal
 I need that image to make boot logo
 it looks good
 @dohbee do you know where that would be stored in the source?
 I know that spinner is an EGL application
 no idea
 same
 Ok
 So I downloaded some music from telegram
 I sent from PC
 How to. play that now
 Or transfer to music folder
 Yeah, you have to put it in /home/phablet/Music/
 @UniversalSuperBox, used to be part of unity-system-compositor
 I can see the source for the spinner there, probably
 https://github.com/ubports/unity-system-compositor/blob/xenial/spinner/robot.png
 hm not really a robot
 nor is it the background
 hah, it's using gdk-pixbuf
 hmm, it's too bad the author of karma machine has basically just gone full android with the app and isn't doing anything with it on ubuntu any more. that'd be a good one to have in open store, for people who use reddit
 Jan made a Reddit reader
 uReadIt
 hmm, has some issues and not super for convergence yet
 wonder why it's not scaling when i set GRID_UNITS