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[15:13] <omairqazi> hi popey
[15:13] <omairqazi> HAPPY NEW YEAR to all!
[15:14] <popey> hi
[15:14] <popey> :)
[15:14] <Accelerator> popey: I know it's festival time but when do you think the mentors will be a bit free?
[15:15] <popey> Tomorrow i think everyone will be back to normal
[15:15] <daniellimws> popey: a question regarding snapcraft
[15:15] <popey> ok
[15:15] <daniellimws> why is it available to be installed via both apt and snap
[15:15] <daniellimws> is there a difference?
[15:16] <Accelerator> yeah what's the difference?
[15:16] <omairqazi> nice question. i also need the answer
[15:18] <popey> Good question!
[15:18] <omairqazi> popey: please remove this task as iso testing for upgrade lubuntu is closed now
[15:18] <popey> At the start, snap couldn't do what snapcraft needed, so it was made as a deb initially.
[15:18] <popey> Now that snaps (via classic and other things) can do everything snapcraft needs, there's not so much need for the deb.
[15:19] <popey> The snap allows the snapcraft developers to push out new versions very rapidly.
[15:19] <popey> Putting an updated deb out can take days, maybe a week or more.
[15:20] <omairqazi> ok noted.
[15:20] <Accelerator> So can we assume that installation via snap is better than via apt?
[15:23] <omairqazi> popey: please remove this task as iso testing for upgrade lubuntu is closed now
[15:23] <omairqazi> Run the Lubuntu upgrade tests and report your results
[15:27] <daniellimws> popey: in this case would it be good to let people know to install from snap instead from apt in the tutorials?
[15:27] <daniellimws> or it doesn't really matter much
[15:27] <popey> I thought we did?
[15:30] <omairqazi> popey: if we do typo error in a command in Ubuntu terminal why does it not run the right command instead of suggesting the right command. For ex, if i type snapraft ubuntu says No command 'snapraft' found, did you mean:  Command 'snapcraft' from package 'snapcraft' (universe) snapraft: command not found. Why does it not straightaway run snapcraft
[15:32] <Accelerator_> popey: You did not :)
[15:33] <popey> omairqazi: because it can't assume it knows what you want
[15:33] <popey> it can guess
[15:34] <omairqazi> ok
[15:35] <omairqazi> who is simon quigley
[15:36] <Accelerator_> tsimonq2
[15:37] <omairqazi> and carla sella?
[15:37] <Accelerator_> Ah wxl told me she is rarely online
[15:38] <omairqazi> ok thanks
[15:44] <omairqazi> popey: aren't there any cloud tasks?
[15:45] <popey> Not currently
[15:47] <Accelerator_> popey: New tasks on the way?
[15:47] <popey> When everyone is back at work tomorrow, we should have more arriving.
[15:51] <omairqazi> popey: please take a look https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4670650331430912/
[15:51] <popey> sure
[15:51] <omairqazi> :popey yay!
[15:53] <omairqazi> :popey are ther any other tasks you are the mentor of
[15:53] <omairqazi> *their
[16:12] <daniellimws> omairqazi: I just saw your message regarding undos in the terminal
[16:13] <daniellimws> I came across this some time ago :p https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
[16:13] <daniellimws> you may like it
[16:14] <omairqazi> daniellimws: thanks! :)
[16:32] <daniellimws> hi has anyone tried the "Follow the electron snap creation tutorial" task?
[16:37] <daniellimws> ah I've got my problem solved
[16:42] <omairqazi> daniellimws: i did it. what was your problem
[16:44] <daniellimws> omairqazi: I got this https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26300407/
[16:44] <daniellimws> previously another problem I solved, but not this yet
[16:46] <omairqazi> wait  can you link me to the electron snap
[16:48] <daniellimws> https://docs.snapcraft.io/build-snaps/electron
[16:49] <omairqazi> thanks
[16:51] <omairqazi> any screenshot of your terminal?
[16:52] <omairqazi> leave the screenshot
[16:54] <daniellimws> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26300407/
[16:54] <daniellimws> omairqazi: ^ there's the full log
[16:54] <omairqazi> ya i see it
[16:54] <omairqazi> just 5 mins more
[16:56] <omairqazi> daniellimws: by the time i am running the command npm run dist please see if you have nodejs installed
[16:57] <omairqazi> daniellimws: curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_8.x | sudo -E bash -
[16:57] <omairqazi> followed by sudo apt-get install -y nodejs
[16:59] <daniellimws> omairqazi: nope still same error
[16:59] <omairqazi> ok
[16:59] <omairqazi> let me see
[17:03] <daniellimws> I don't think its a nodejs version problem
[17:03] <daniellimws> could be more of a snapcraft related issue
[17:03] <daniellimws> similar but different from this https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1656884
[17:04] <omairqazi> daniellimws: i think i also had this problem try this sudo npm i -g npm
[17:04] <daniellimws> what does that do?
[17:05] <omairqazi> it upgrades npm :)
[17:05] <omairqazi> i fixed it by updating something
[17:05] <omairqazi> but i can't recall
[17:06] <omairqazi> by the time try this sudo npm i -g npm
[17:08] <daniellimws> omairqazi: still doesn't work
[17:10] <omairqazi> daniellimws: curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_9.x | sudo -E bash - followed by sudo apt-get install -y nodejs
[17:11] <omairqazi> btw did you edit the snapcraft.yaml
[17:11] <daniellimws> nope there wasnt any
[17:12] <omairqazi> ok
[17:13] <omairqazi> daniellimws: lets do a fresh start
[17:13] <omairqazi> daniellimws: lets do a fresh start
[17:14] <omairqazi> mkdir a new folder
[17:14] <omairqazi> cd to that folder
[17:14] <omairqazi> git clone https://github.com/snapcraft-docs/electron-quick-start
[17:26] <omairqazi> daniellimws: can you send me the screenshot of your terminal of the commands you ran before npm run dist
[17:32] <omairqazi> daniellimws" there?
[17:33] <omairqazi> daniellimws: there?
[17:33] <omairqazi> I think I found the solution
[17:33] <omairqazi> did you run npm run install?
[17:36] <daniellimws> omairqazi: hi, sorry for the delay
[17:36] <daniellimws> I did npm install
[17:36] <daniellimws> I re-ran the whole thing on a different macine
[17:36] <daniellimws> machine
[17:36] <daniellimws> and it worked
[17:36] <daniellimws> magic
[17:38] <omairqazi> daniellimws: cool!
[17:39] <omairqazi> I told you to do a fresh start
[17:39] <omairqazi> because now i am having the same problem
[17:39] <omairqazi> but when i did the whole thing again it worked
[17:40] <omairqazi> still dont the real solution
[17:40] <omairqazi> which task to choose now
[17:41] <daniellimws> actually it could just be my machine having different versions of node or npm
[17:41] <omairqazi> ya
[17:41] <wxl> omg did someone say node? just do it in a vm.
[17:41] <omairqazi> hi wxl
[17:42] <omairqazi> why in a vm
[17:42] <wxl> because then your steps are repeatable
[17:42] <omairqazi> we were having some problems just because of different versions of  node
[17:42] <omairqazi> wxl: can you help me
[17:42] <wxl> it's *SO EASY* to get your node ecosystem in a different state
[17:43] <wxl> i'm no node expert
[17:43] <wxl> i know i beat my head against the wall about something like this recently and it was maddening
[17:43] <wxl> that's why i said: start in a vm. you'll have a clean slate.
[17:43] <omairqazi> noted
[17:43] <daniellimws> thanks for the info
[17:44] <omairqazi> wxl: i was just snapping a nodejs app and found a problem
[17:45] <omairqazi> wxl: this task "Run the Lubuntu upgrade tests and report your results" is no longer in use
[17:46] <wxl> what do you mean?
[17:46] <omairqazi> wxl: See this  Notice board  Weekly upgrade testing build. This build is valid for a week, starting on 2017/12/22 at 21:00 UTC and finishing on 2017/12/29 at 21:00 UTC. Please use separate results for tests done on different hardware or day.
[17:46] <omairqazi> wxl: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/163339/testcases
[17:47] <wxl> feel free to just ignore that, at least for Lubuntu, omairqazi
[17:48] <omairqazi> wxl: but i cannot submit test results
[17:48] <wxl> ugh
[17:48] <wxl> let me see what i can do. this depends on other people, so it may take a while
[17:49] <omairqazi> ok
[17:49] <Nissaar> wxl: hi
[17:49] <omairqazi> can you suggest me a task wxl
[17:49] <Nissaar> wxl: could you please verify this answer, its for my task
[17:49] <Nissaar> wxl: https://askubuntu.com/questions/991043/snap-package-only-runs-when-root
[17:49] <wxl> omairqazi: did you do all the other Lubuntu thingies?
[17:49] <wxl> Nissaar: not a snapper, can't help. i'd consult your mentor.
[17:50] <wxl> i will say this: your formatting is terribly confusing
[17:50] <omairqazi> wxl oh i just forgot about alternate images
[17:50] <Nissaar> wxl: thx
[17:51] <wxl> i'd also wonder if it's necessary to cd home
[17:52] <wxl> maybe i'm wrong but again not a snapper
[17:52] <omairqazi> whose formatting, wxl?
[17:52] <wxl> omairqazi: Nissaar
[17:52] <omairqazi> oh
[17:52] <Nissaar> actually only when i used cd /home it worked without sudo
[17:53] <Nissaar> else im compelled to use sudo before pycharm-community
[17:53] <wxl> huh well that's interesting. i'd explain why that is. reference existing documentation.
[17:53] <wxl> i mean none of that makes sense to me, at least from the perspective of how, say, apt works
[17:55] <omairqazi> bye guys
[17:55] <wxl> omairqazi: are you starting this task for the first time?
[17:55] <omairqazi> time to sleep
[17:55] <wxl> (the upgrade one)
[17:55] <konrad11901> wxl: one question, I see that one of my bugs was marked as "Invalid" without any reason by a user who registered on 31st December 2017. Can I mark it again as "New"?
[17:55] <wxl> konrad11901: sure. i was waiting to see if you'd do that :)
[17:56] <wxl> konrad11901: might be good to put in a note about why you think that's the case
[17:56] <konrad11901> Ok :)
[17:56] <omairqazi> wxl yes
[17:56] <omairqazi> wxl but i did kubuntu tasks earlier
[17:56] <wxl> omairqazi: then go back to the start of the QA tracker and go in again. the build numbers have changed
[17:58] <konrad11901> wxl: by the way, are there plans for new testing tasks? I'll try to continue testing even without tasks (waiting for first alpha of Lubuntu 18.04 :) ), but making some new tasks would be great!
[17:59] <wxl> at the moment, no, konrad11901. we've got some stuff in the works but it's not there yet. more or less just business as usual until then
[17:59] <omairqazi> wxl can you link to a testsuite
[18:00] <omairqazi> i will  check it tomorrow (according to IST)
[18:00] <wxl> omairqazi: i'd just go back to iso.qa.ubuntu.com and open up the Upgrade Lubuntu {i386,amd64} links and go from there. just in case it changes again
[18:01] <omairqazi> ok
[18:03] <omairqazi> wxl please reply on my task as my laptop's charger is not working
[18:04] <omairqazi> wxl got it
[18:04] <omairqazi> i can now submit test results
[18:04] <wxl> yay good job
[18:04] <omairqazi> wxl anyway thanks!
[18:04] <wxl> talk tomorrow my friend :)
[18:04] <wxl> have a great rest
[18:04] <omairqazi> wxl thanks
[18:05] <omairqazi> wxl i dont know what happened to my charger
[18:05] <konrad11901> wxl: if Simon has assigned this bug to himself, can I change the status to "In Progress"?
[18:05] <omairqazi> only 5% battery left
[18:05] <omairqazi> bye
[18:05] <daniellimws> bye
[18:06] <konrad11901> Bye!
[18:07] <wxl> konrad11901: if someone was working on it, yep. now there are two teams that have greater degrees of control over the bug status and i don't remember which ones you start out with. you won't be able to do ALL Of them, though. ping me or in #ubuntu-bugs should you ever need help
[18:07] <wxl> oh maybe i can make some bug triage tasks
[18:10] <konrad11901> wxl: you can :)
[18:10] <konrad11901> and thanks for explaining :)
[18:10] <wxl> np
[18:11] <wxl> there's wiki pages on the subject if you want to learn more but i'll probably summarize them in the task. hopefully i can get that done today
[18:56] <wxl> popey: new task for you to publish https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/5680903613317120/preview/
[18:58] <popey> wxl: that last line about filing bugs upstream seems almost throw-away. Might require more detail?
[18:59] <popey> wxl: might also be worth linking to an example "good" bug?
[18:59] <wxl> popey: yeah well i guess so. it's a bonus point thing after all :)
[18:59] <popey> hah
[18:59] <wxl> popey: i could dig one up but the description makes it clear, i think.
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