[01:31] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I've created #ubuntu-qt (bridged to Telegram at https://t.me/joinchat/DH6s1A5_bOpAVbiu9QzvVg ) for packaging and transition-specific Qt-only discussion. Anyone is welcome to join. :)
[21:35] <valorie> acheronuk: I have to agree with you that if the fatal bug isn't fixed at alpha we can't participate and ask testers to put their machines in jeopardy
[21:36] <wxl> well we could just say VM only
[21:36] <wxl> MOST of the tests, especially at this stage, are VMs anyways
[21:48] <valorie> true, but this bug has GOT TO BE FIXED
[21:49] <valorie> I've heard of fatal bugs before, but .... not in my backyard
[22:14] <acheronuk> I would need some convincing that a VM only alpha was a good plan. at the moment, I am sceptical in the extreme
[22:45] <tsimonq2> valorie, acheronuk: Alright, so I just had a conversation with someone on the Kernel Team, the src:linux in bionic-proposed just needs to migrate, and we shouldn't have to worry about that then.
[22:46] <tsimonq2> valorie, acheronuk: The way he says it, it seems that it should migrate Very Shortly, they just didn't want to do it right before everyone went on vacation...
[22:46] <tsimonq2> I'll keep y'all updated when I find out stuff.
[22:47] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: yeah, well I knew that, it was just the 2nd part. kernel migration has sometimes not been quick
[22:48] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: heh right
[22:48] <acheronuk> fingers crossed basically!
[22:50] <acheronuk> without a new kernel, I would prefer to skip alpha 1 isos
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Agreed.
[22:50] <acheronuk> I don't want to be accused of risking users, even if we out bug flashing signs up to say "VM only"
[22:51] <acheronuk> *put big
[22:53] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Right...
[22:53] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Alpha 1 likely won't happen if that isn't released.
[22:53] <acheronuk> maybe we could have an unofficial (non-milestone) interim iso test day or something, if we miss the alpha?
[22:54] <wxl> we could participate in the alpha but ont release
[22:54] <wxl> just at the end have the release manager mark as *NOT* ready
[22:54] <wxl> that being said, you don't even have to make the decision until then
[22:55] <acheronuk> we have options
[22:55] <acheronuk> lets just hope the kernel team get 4.14 in
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Anyways, I'm upgrading to the kernel from bionic-proposed now to smoke test it.,
[23:00] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Rebooting...
[23:03] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, bye bye
[23:03] <tsimonq2> I SURVIVED
[23:03] <tsimonq2> :)
[23:04] <tsimonq2> $ uname -r
[23:04] <tsimonq2> 4.14.0-13-generic
[23:11]  * valorie is still on 4.13.0-21-generic
[23:11] <valorie> soooo behind!
[23:40] <valorie> btw wxl good job on the testing task for GCi students
[23:40] <valorie> I didn't have time
[23:40] <wxl> np
[23:40] <wxl> now balloons wants me to fix all of them
[23:40] <wxl> :EYEROLL:
[23:41] <valorie> rofl
[23:41] <valorie> wxl: go for it!
[23:41] <wxl> gee
[23:41] <wxl> thanks
[23:41] <wxl> :)