[06:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:57] <daftykins> \o
[06:58] <lordievader> Hey daftykins
[06:58] <lordievader> Happy new year
[06:58] <ducasse> morning all
[06:58] <ducasse> happy new year lordievader
[06:58] <daftykins> happy new year to you :)
[06:59] <daftykins> hey ducasse :> good sleep?
[06:59] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:59] <lordievader> Happy new year to you too, ducasse
[06:59] <ducasse> daftykins: just an hour or two, damn insomnia...
[07:00] <daftykins> :(
[07:27] <jink> Gelukkig nieuwjaar, stelletje prutsers. ^__^
[07:29] <daftykins> that's one weird lingo
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:25] <pauljw> good morning BluesKaj :)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw ...up early :-)
[12:30] <BluesKaj> milder here, but windy
[12:35] <pauljw> :)
[12:36] <pauljw> colder here, -2F at the moment.  not much wind though.
[12:58] <BluesKaj>  check this out  https://www.facebook.com/robert.thiessen.58/videos/10155142709887517/
[13:07] <pauljw> heheh... very good!
[13:08] <pauljw> good news here: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2018/01/private-internet-access-creator-london-trust-media-acquires-linux-journal/
[13:11] <BluesKaj> ok, i can tell just by the URL that it looks like good news already :-)
[13:12] <pauljw> :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> very cool, glad to see this happen:-0
[13:14] <BluesKaj> err :-)
[13:15] <pauljw> me too
[13:21] <BluesKaj> shared the news in the main chat
[13:24] <pauljw> that's cool
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[16:32] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> 1349 users nice
[16:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, more new users needing help are able to join
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> yay
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> and a good 2018 to you all
[16:38] <leftyfb> is it "universally accepted" to always be suggesting people install non-LTS over LTS? :)
[16:38] <BluesKaj> same to you lotuspsychje :-)
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: i always ask whats the users end goal?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: latest/testing vs stable/long time
[16:39] <nacc> leftyfb: not universally accepted, no
[16:39] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, never heard that one, depends on their situation
[16:39] <nacc> i would even say, for the purposes of #ubuntu, the opposite is the universal (or more universal) default stance
[16:39] <leftyfb> ok, good. That's what I thought
[16:40] <nacc> with the obvious caveat that there is nothing stopping anyone from running non-LTS, they just need to know the implications (actually do release upgrades or reinstalls regularly)
[16:41] <hggdh> leftyfb: my take is: if you are willing to upgrade every half-year, then yes, go non-lts. If you are a casual user, OTOH, stay with LTS
[16:41] <nacc> hggdh: +1
[16:42] <hggdh> leftyfb: and yes, I followe the discussion on #u.
[16:42] <hggdh> s/followe/&d/
[16:42] <leftyfb> I was mainly only validating what I already knew to be true
[16:42] <hggdh> yep, understood
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> some users with newer hardware would only be able to run non-lts in same cases
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> *some
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> so its good we have both options no?
[16:43] <nacc> well, that's what hwe is for
[16:44] <nacc> there will be a window of a few months where that might be true, you're right, lotuspsychje
[16:44] <hggdh> (I have actually been on the devel release since 2006; but (1) I have a pretty good idea of the risks and (2) it was part of my work requirements or a while -- eat your dog food, and all)
[16:45] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: yes, there are always reasons to go non-lts. But users should be aware that they will need to upgrade to +1 every half year. This is the warning I find missing when suggesting non-lts
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: you testing bionic also?
[16:46] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: been running it pretty much since it opened
[16:46] <hggdh> so far, no critical issues
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: nice one
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: im testing bionic on 3 machines myself
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: perhaps an idea to add non-lts to !artful codenames?
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> !xenial
[16:48] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: I am restricted to my work laptop, others are production
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> 2 days till alpha1 :p
[16:52] <BluesKaj> we've got a live one over at ##linux, doesn't which linux OS he's running :-)
[16:53] <BluesKaj> doesn't know
[16:54] <leftyfb> cat /etc/issue? lsb_release?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> seems to be mint
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> brrr
[17:02] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: !bionic is there
[17:03] <hggdh> leftyfb: just one last thing: opinions vary. So some will say go current release, others will not. I am not sure on how to address this
[17:03] <leftyfb> I understand this
[17:04] <leftyfb> And I definitely preface all my suggestions with I recommend or suggest or in my opnion
[17:05] <hggdh> leftyfb: yes, sounds *very* sensible. I try to do the same
[17:08] <BluesKaj> some users are so absolute ... it's fun to debate them sometimes
[17:08] <BluesKaj> with them opinions are facts
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> JanC: alive?
[18:13] <nicomachus> frozen solid
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> trying to get my eid alive, but that belgian stuff
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> wb BluesKaj
[18:23] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje :)
[18:24] <BluesKaj> thanks lotuspsychje
[18:25] <BluesKaj> nice, PIA now has 3 servers in Canada
[18:26] <pauljw> nice, mine all seem so slow lately.
[18:26] <BluesKaj> probly be adding more once the net neutrality becomes more and more disabled in the US
[18:27] <BluesKaj> pauljw, I like the NYC and Florida servers, they seems to be the fastest from here
[18:29] <pauljw> haven't tried florida, nyc does well sometimes.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> Toronto and Montreal are fast as well due to my proximity to those
[18:30] <pauljw> even the one i built on digitalocean is slow lately.
[18:31] <pauljw> i'm here without any right now.
[18:31] <pauljw> brb, let me try florida...
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> hi Nokaji
[18:33] <Nokaji> Greetings lotuspsychje of the third rock
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Hi Nokaji
[18:37] <pauljw> BluesKaj, florida is doing fine.  thx.
[18:37] <Nokaji> Hiyas BluesKaj
[18:38] <BluesKaj> pauljw, good to hear...it's great for torrent DLs
[18:39] <pauljw> :)
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[19:35] <BluesKaj> lordievader, does ubuntu have a "driver manager" app in it's system settings or .... ?
[19:37] <alkisg> BluesKaj: ubuntu-drivers in console, software-properties-gtk in gui
[20:29] <BluesKaj> alkisg, ok thanks ...belated :-)