[06:55] Good morning [06:57] \o [06:58] Hey daftykins [06:58] Happy new year [06:58] morning all [06:58] happy new year lordievader [06:58] happy new year to you :) [06:59] hey ducasse :> good sleep? [06:59] Hey ducasse [06:59] Happy new year to you too, ducasse [06:59] daftykins: just an hour or two, damn insomnia... [07:00] :( [07:27] Gelukkig nieuwjaar, stelletje prutsers. ^__^ [07:29] that's one weird lingo [12:24] Hiyas all [12:25] good morning BluesKaj :) [12:26] 'Morning pauljw ...up early :-) [12:30] milder here, but windy [12:35] :) [12:36] colder here, -2F at the moment. not much wind though. [12:58] check this out https://www.facebook.com/robert.thiessen.58/videos/10155142709887517/ [13:07] heheh... very good! [13:08] good news here: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2018/01/private-internet-access-creator-london-trust-media-acquires-linux-journal/ [13:11] ok, i can tell just by the URL that it looks like good news already :-) [13:12] :) [13:14] very cool, glad to see this happen:-0 [13:14] err :-) [13:15] me too [13:21] shared the news in the main chat [13:24] that's cool [15:34] ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ the weechat fundraising is still going on https://twitter.com/WeeChatClient .. REMEMBER ITS NOT US *WINK*lohwrsggl: pauljw padraic dragan-s ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ [15:34] ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ the weechat fundraising is still going on https://twitter.com/WeeChatClient .. REMEMBER ITS NOT US *WINK*sqhmnygr: EriC^^ jalc padraic ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ [15:34] ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ the weechat fundraising is still going on https://twitter.com/WeeChatClient .. 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REMEMBER ITS NOT US *WINK*kqyuinfvcq: dragan-s BluesKaj EriC^^ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ [16:32] good evening to all [16:33] Hi lotuspsychje [16:33] hey BluesKaj [16:33] 1349 users nice [16:34] yeah, more new users needing help are able to join [16:34] yay [16:35] and a good 2018 to you all [16:38] is it "universally accepted" to always be suggesting people install non-LTS over LTS? :) [16:38] same to you lotuspsychje :-) [16:38] leftyfb: i always ask whats the users end goal? [16:38] leftyfb: latest/testing vs stable/long time [16:39] leftyfb: not universally accepted, no [16:39] leftyfb, never heard that one, depends on their situation [16:39] i would even say, for the purposes of #ubuntu, the opposite is the universal (or more universal) default stance [16:39] ok, good. That's what I thought [16:40] with the obvious caveat that there is nothing stopping anyone from running non-LTS, they just need to know the implications (actually do release upgrades or reinstalls regularly) [16:41] leftyfb: my take is: if you are willing to upgrade every half-year, then yes, go non-lts. If you are a casual user, OTOH, stay with LTS [16:41] hggdh: +1 [16:42] leftyfb: and yes, I followe the discussion on #u. [16:42] s/followe/&d/ [16:42] I was mainly only validating what I already knew to be true [16:42] yep, understood [16:43] some users with newer hardware would only be able to run non-lts in same cases [16:43] *some [16:43] so its good we have both options no? [16:43] well, that's what hwe is for [16:44] there will be a window of a few months where that might be true, you're right, lotuspsychje [16:44] (I have actually been on the devel release since 2006; but (1) I have a pretty good idea of the risks and (2) it was part of my work requirements or a while -- eat your dog food, and all) [16:45] lotuspsychje: yes, there are always reasons to go non-lts. But users should be aware that they will need to upgrade to +1 every half year. This is the warning I find missing when suggesting non-lts [16:45] hggdh: you testing bionic also? [16:46] lotuspsychje: been running it pretty much since it opened [16:46] so far, no critical issues [16:46] hggdh: nice one [16:46] hggdh: im testing bionic on 3 machines myself [16:47] hggdh: perhaps an idea to add non-lts to !artful codenames? [16:48] !xenial [16:48] Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) is the current LTS release of Ubuntu. Download at http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Read the release notes at https://ubottu.com/y/xenial [16:48] lotuspsychje: I am restricted to my work laptop, others are production [16:50] 2 days till alpha1 :p [16:52] we've got a live one over at ##linux, doesn't which linux OS he's running :-) [16:53] doesn't know [16:54] cat /etc/issue? lsb_release? [16:59] seems to be mint [16:59] brrr [17:02] lotuspsychje: !bionic is there [17:03] leftyfb: just one last thing: opinions vary. So some will say go current release, others will not. I am not sure on how to address this [17:03] I understand this [17:04] And I definitely preface all my suggestions with I recommend or suggest or in my opnion [17:05] leftyfb: yes, sounds *very* sensible. I try to do the same [17:08] some users are so absolute ... it's fun to debate them sometimes [17:08] with them opinions are facts [17:50] bbl [18:12] JanC: alive? [18:13] frozen solid [18:13] :p [18:14] trying to get my eid alive, but that belgian stuff [18:22] wb BluesKaj [18:23] hey lotuspsychje :) [18:24] thanks lotuspsychje [18:25] nice, PIA now has 3 servers in Canada [18:26] nice, mine all seem so slow lately. [18:26] probly be adding more once the net neutrality becomes more and more disabled in the US [18:27] pauljw, I like the NYC and Florida servers, they seems to be the fastest from here [18:29] haven't tried florida, nyc does well sometimes. [18:30] Toronto and Montreal are fast as well due to my proximity to those [18:30] even the one i built on digitalocean is slow lately. [18:31] i'm here without any right now. [18:31] brb, let me try florida... [18:32] hi Nokaji [18:33] Greetings lotuspsychje of the third rock [18:34] Hi Nokaji [18:37] BluesKaj, florida is doing fine. thx. [18:37] Hiyas BluesKaj [18:38] pauljw, good to hear...it's great for torrent DLs [18:39] :) [19:20] nite nite guys [19:35] lordievader, does ubuntu have a "driver manager" app in it's system settings or .... ? [19:37] BluesKaj: ubuntu-drivers in console, software-properties-gtk in gui [20:29] alkisg, ok thanks ...belated :-)