[05:08] <hggdh> the problem is release times. Anyway, every LTS now supports newer kernels
[05:09] <hggdh> so whatever is the kernel for 18.10, it will be available on 18.04, 16.04, etc
[05:10] <hggdh> aand then... there is this ASLR thingy cooking
[09:08] <hans_> hggdh, what about ASLR?
[14:17] <hggdh> hans_: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
[14:19] <hans_> hggdh, think i will be ok if i create a file called /etc/sysctl.d/01-disable-aslr.conf  containing kernel.randomize_va_space = 0   ?
[14:19] <hans_> >however we're looking at a ballpark figure of five to 30 per cent slow down
[14:20] <hans_> holy shit
[14:21] <hans_> PostgreSQL slowdowns between 17-23% on "SELECT 1" x.x
[14:27] <hggdh> hans_: not a good idea do disable ASLR. Unless you have a guaranteed secure system (hint: theoretical construct), you want ASLR
[14:28] <hggdh> and, right now, as the article above points out, this is pretty much speculation, since the issue(s) is(are) still under wrap
[14:29] <hggdh> so, if it pans out as being commented by El Reg and others, we will have to soldier up and swallow the performance loss
[14:31] <hans_> hggggu
[14:31] <hans_> dam
[14:32] <hggdh> yup. It will b fun to watch. I already bought popcorn and soda
[14:33] <TJ-> hggdh: I saw what you did there! 'speculation' about the speculative execution crossing privilege boundary bug :)
[14:33] <hggdh> :-)
[14:35] <hggdh> this, as far as I understand, has been going for a while. It probably reached critical mass the last few days, so we get to know about something coming up
[14:36] <TJ-> The patches have been in-development since October at least in public, but there appears to be an embargo being lifted on Friday, which suggests an exploit for this is known
[14:36] <TJ-> The original patches from the research team were published in April/May
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> anyone needs bugs tested, let me know im on bionic
[18:52] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I'll bear that in mind - though you'd need an Xubuntu iso :p
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> ah im on ubuntu-desktop flocculant 
[18:53]  * flocculant tries to 'run' Xubuntu's qa but very few people say anything
[18:53] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I guessed ;) though I do update the ubuntu iso daily when I run my script - hence being able to check things you ask about
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: you can always pass me active !bugs ill have a look if you need
[18:54] <flocculant> that's awesome :)
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> here's my list
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lotuspsychje/+reportedbugs
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> edited all ubuntu versions in title
[18:55] <flocculant> if there's any wayland/xorg things - that completely confuses me :)
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: i presume xfce runs fine already?
[18:56] <flocculant> and any amd specific - nvida/nouveau here
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: believe it or not, the only flawless system im testing smooth on wayland is on nvidia laptop lol
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> all other lag somehow on xorg or wayland
[18:57] <flocculant> yea xfce is fine afaik - I'm also using the Xubuntu Team 'official' ppa's and some from git unreleased
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> cool
[18:57] <flocculant> but any bugs I might mention will be vanilla iso ones
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:58] <flocculant> I could install a ubuntu instance - but it'll be rarely used and I would need to update etc before checking
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: that would be very usefull if you test wayland also
[18:58] <flocculant> but if that's the price of being able to ask someone to check xubuntu things - I'll pay it :D
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: as that will be our future ubuntu-desktop method
[18:59] <flocculant> ack - won't be setting it up today - but I will by weekend
[19:00] <flocculant> (mostly I get the iso to find if an issue I see is a generic *flavour one)
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: no sweat tyt mate
[19:00] <flocculant> bookmarked your list for when I do it :)
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: i think Bashing-om also runs xubuntu bionic?
[19:03] <flocculant> possibly - know him from old :)
[19:03] <flocculant> like for years :p
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[19:04] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Not yet .. still on xenial - pending what I am going to do about my hard drives .
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> solid volunteers here
[19:04] <flocculant> Bashing-om: :)
[19:04] <flocculant> and hi
[19:04] <flocculant> didn't see you hiding
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: we discussed, as flocculant testing xubuntu flavor for bionic
[19:04] <Bashing-om> flocculant: Good to read you .. long time without :)
[19:04] <flocculant> always about - just a different name ;)
[19:05] <Bashing-om> I have some indications that the bios bug in 17.10 carries over to bionic . be careful .
[19:06] <flocculant> not affected 
[19:06] <flocculant> or if I am - I've not noticed
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[19:06] <flocculant> probably because I always grab -proposed kernel when they show up
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i was wondering, what artful upgrade to bionic would influence that bug??
[19:07] <flocculant> I thought the current kernel was ok - you could upgrae to there - but not totally sure as (see above)
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> i think users start solving the bug with .19 and higher
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> 14.9 14.10 sorry
[19:11] <Bashing-om> I tend to trust ventrical:  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2380665&page=3 .
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: weird the bug url doesnt mention bionic?
[19:15] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Just to keep an open mind about it .
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tomorrow alpha1, so lets hope they fix that right away
[19:17] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: maybe now UEFI will get defined by the manufacturers ?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> im always a paranoia thinker myself..intel did this on purpose to block ubuntu instead of MS? lol
[19:18] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: no alpha's r beta1 for Ubuntu
[19:18] <flocculant> they ignore till Final Beta
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> apple upload new Ios to make worst batterys...
[19:18] <flocculant> (Xubuntu ignores till Beta 1 too)
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: kk
[19:19] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: only flavours who're interested do alphas/betas
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: lets c what kind of updates will come tru tomorrow..
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> had a few this morning
[19:19]  * flocculant grabbed some a short while ago - all 'generic'
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:20] <flocculant> the xfce/xubuntu stuff usually shows up at ~6am for me
[19:20] <flocculant> then I go to work :D
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> :p