[00:01] (Sticker, 362x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wwTAxU8H/file_3519 [00:09] how rude [00:10] I've just got UBports on my E4.5 up and running. Great job guys and many many thanks again. [00:16] Anyone knows if UT works correctly on Bq Aquaris M10 HD (the NOT FHD version) ? are there any downsides if i pick it over the FHD version? [00:16] @TronFortyTwo, With it I meant 'yay!' or '+1' [00:26] @dohbee do you know of any test suites that would check that the HAL was running correctly? [00:28] @UniversalSuperBox, i didn't work on that level of stuff, so i don't. maybe there's something still sitting on ubuntu wiki somewhere though [00:29] @Eranuzan, it does work on it (both versions were available with ubuntu from bq). downside is fewer pixels. not sure if storage or other hardware is different (i think it's just the pixels) [00:32] @dohbee, great! thanks ☺ ithink i'll get my self one [02:16] Hello, can anyone help me install a rom through the terminal? I downloaded the ROM, but with a huge difficulty to install. [02:21] What ROM and in what way are you trying to install it? [02:48] @dohbee, I have a question that I hope you can answer. What is an "Overlay", in the low-level Ubuntu Touch sense? [02:48] well, it can mean many things depending on what you're asking about exactly [02:49] I find it here [1], but all I can really see is "It's a thing that's mounted over a thing" … [1] https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot/blob/fd906a4ddaff887a2d87dd0b37277e452abe1266/initramfs/scripts/touch#L135 [02:49] ie, some mount locations are overlay mounts [02:49] I don't really see any references to it being used [02:50] ok, yeah, so that's sort of overlay mounts [02:50] it looks like specifically that is bind mounting, which is a bit different from overlay mounting [02:50] but achieves a similar goal [02:50] Aha [02:50] Here's where it's used: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot/blob/fd906a4ddaff887a2d87dd0b37277e452abe1266/initramfs/scripts/touch#L468 [02:51] yup [02:51] I don't understand why though. That'd be a marius question I suspect [02:51] Mounting the Ubuntu system into the container's system folder... [02:51] ah, right, because the root fs is a bind mount [02:51] Loop mount [02:52] But why mount `/` into `/android/system/ubuntu` [02:52] well it's mounting /android/system/ubuntu (which is the ubuntu root fs) onto / [02:53] Ohhhhhhhh [02:53] And I've skipped that step, I see [02:53] This is the 'flipped' thing that the scripts are talking about so much [02:53] yeah, it's a little confusing, due to the way we use android [02:54] Right, so I rendered that obsolete. Good, don't think I need it any more [02:54] In other news, that initrd is really confusing. [02:56] yeah, i don't know enough about the rest of the layout, but i'd sway ideally we want to move away from such bind mounts here [02:56] Second question, doesn't hurt to ask. Do you know of any case where the Android system would actually use the Ubuntu version properties? … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot/blob/fd906a4ddaff887a2d87dd0b37277e452abe1266/initramfs/scripts/touch#L48 [02:56] @dohbee, Hybris-boot luckily does away with that. It hands you your rootfs as `/`, the Android data partition at `/data`, and says "Here. You make something of this, I'm going to bed." [02:57] Luckily or unluckily... I guess I haven't decided. [02:58] @UniversalSuperBox, i don't know if anything on the android side specifically uses them. i think we just persist them in the android properties bit to be able to read them really early [02:58] Ah. So does anything actually read them from the persistant storage? [02:59] not sure if/why we need to do that, either [02:59] I suppose, maybe the updater from Recovery... [02:59] I'm a bit too afraid to look at it, though [02:59] yeah, maybe something for the recovery side [03:01] Well hey, always good to get rid of a bit more complexity [03:02] And... replace it with more Upstart complexity... https://github.com/UniversalSuperBox/ut-halium-compat [03:10] Interesting side-note while I'm thinking about it... the complex flipping of the filesystem is what allows Ubuntu Touch devices to support the "Charging mode" that is required on all Android handsets. Basically, if the initramfs detects that the device is booting because the charger is plugged in, it just boots Android. Getting around this could be quite difficult now that we don't have Android mounted before everything else. [03:10] The complexity certainly solved problems... [03:13] eh, the less android, the better [03:15] But charging mode can be useful, since the Android system probably knows how to charge the battery from very low states better than Ubuntu. [03:15] It should be handled by the kernel [03:15] But you know Android vendors [03:15] And Qualcomm [03:15] Specifically Qualcomm [03:17] not sure why any userspace thing would matter there, other than "don't boot the system" so you don't end up wasting all the battery trying to boot and run stuff, when you don't have enough battery [03:18] but afaik, that never really worked well on ubuntu phone (at least, not on my nexus devices) [03:18] Qualcomm proprietary quick charge negotiation and such [03:18] Really? Works on our ports to my knowledge [03:18] I know it works on the FP2 for a fact [03:19] well i just put my nexus 5 on my qi charger. will see what happens [03:19] seems to be doing the right thing so far [03:20] but there's "lake effect" snow happening on east coast usa from the ocean right now, so i don't know what is real any more [03:20] Oh hey [03:21] Midwest sure knows what that is [03:21] @dohbee, 😂 [03:31] hmm, ok, so nexus 5 behaved now. i definitely recall previously (especially on my n4) it would just end up booting into ubuntu on charger [03:32] time to get some sleep though. [03:53] @UniversalSuperBox, west coast doesn't. or at least Wayne coast doesnt.... I'll go duckduck myself [03:53] now I know. yikes. i'm not a fan of such lake effects and I haven't seen one [05:30] How is battery performance for Pro5 users after OTA3? [05:36] iHusky was added by: iHusky [05:36] good morning [05:37] I want ask, can someone port ubuntu touch for xiaomi redmi note 4 (mido) [05:40] @iHusky, I believe someone started a port for it [05:40] check @halium [05:41] halium, who is this? [05:41] and where I can find him? [06:26] @Stereofont, Estonian [07:50] @lastdon82, its ok I get around a day if usage before it dies [07:53] @Eranuzan, It is not my main driver but i get a day out of it. I use to get a day and half prior to switching to UBports from Canonical. [07:55] mm that might be true as today I charge it at 10% and before (don't know if its canonical or ota-1 ) it was around 20% but oughts really hard to tell [07:56] @Eranuzan, ok thanks for the feedback [07:58] anything for a fellow PRO 😋 [08:01] @Stereofont, Unfortunately, yes. I did not manage to get the majority of my compadres over to telegram from whatsapp. Anyway... The mail app wasn't synching with my office365 work account, and it also wasn't synching with an older exchange account... So it was kind of a double killer... I'm very intersted in anbox, and curious about the Libre 5 phone in the future of things. [08:02] Other than those smaller personal issues, I think the platform is great! [08:14] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/ === Elimin8r is now known as Elimin8er [08:58] @jmnemonix, Intel released a statement that also AMD and ARM chips are affected. I don't know if this is a smear campaign, or true. That's what I heard. [09:00] @Jo_Led, for what I know, they shouldn't be affected, but until these assumptions become facts, arm and amd chips are treated also as unsecure [09:08] Hi guys, is there a way perhaps from the command line to set a manual override for the rotation/orientation of a specific app? For example I usually have my phone locked in landscape but I want the actual phone app to switch to landscape, seems a more natural way to use it in that fashion. [09:10] @TartanSpartan, hm, the app itself can say 'I run only in ___ mode', manually specifying it for arbitrary apps will need some wonky hacking, I would estimate [09:13] someone also experinecing battery drain with OTA-3 on BQ E4.5? i habe deactivated the notifications but still my battery is empty after 1 day [09:16] @delijati, did you already restart since noticing? [09:17] could also be a memory leak by dekko2, at least I heard something about that before christmas, not sure if already fixed [09:18] memory leak? Not had a bug report for one 😕 [09:19] @peternerlich, yeah twice ... i go to bed by 70% and in the morning the phone if off aka 0% [09:20] Dan, maybe Peter meant the zombies created by Dekko2 [09:20] the notification service can i shut it down by hand ? just assuming its that [09:21] no i removed dekko2 still using dekko [09:21] @gurucubano, Ah ok, yeah that was fixed. And as far as i know zombie process resources get deallocated and only a record in the process table is retained [09:22] could be there any other service running ? [09:22] it was a bug in QProcess where it creates a zombie process if it tries to exec an non-exiting binary [09:24] @gurucubano, @DanChapman yes, sorry, only remembered there was *something* [09:26] 👍 [09:28] @salarelv, Apologies. I could see myself walking into that hole. We do have a Finnish group but regrettably not an Estonian one - yet [09:32] @Lukas Wolfskin, @DanChapman is the Office365 thing known? [09:33] Known? [09:33] As in, reported? [09:33] found it i habve the same problem ... over new year i deactivated mobile data and the phone lasted 4 days as usual https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/400 [09:33] @Stereofont, Yep [09:33] @Lukas Wolfskin, Yep [09:33] Yeah, I was following the forum at the time. And regularly submitted bug reports and comments... [09:34] This was about a year ago... [09:34] @Lukas Wolfskin, Ah, okay. So not Dekko2? [09:35] @Stereofont, No problem we are close to Finland. The language is similar and also Taavi is a common name in Finland [09:35] Can't remember now, mate. Apologies. [09:35] I'm thinking about giving 15.04 a spin again... [09:36] Excited about 16.04 [09:38] @salarelv, With Danish/ Norwegian/Swedish we have one group. My understanding is that wouldn't work for Estonian/Finnish? [09:39] @Lukas Wolfskin, Sightsee on the 16.04 building site but no running water… [09:41] I know... [09:41] Can wait! [09:41] And submit reports... I'm not much of a programmer. I teach history... [09:42] This is just really cool and fun to keep up with! [09:48] @delijati, Same for me with my nexus 5 [09:49] yeah deactivating mobile data fixes it .. so something is probably polling al lot :/ [09:49] and i asume notifications service ... so how to deactivate :) [09:51] @Stereofont, Probably not. Finnish/Estonian are a class of their own. [09:56] Hopefully we will have an Estonian group soon 👍 [10:03] Yeah, that mobiledata battery consumption is bad in N5. I tried to look N5 wakelocks, but didn't work out because kernel is missing some features. [10:03] @Stereofont, What office35 thing? That's a little vague 😁 [10:04] Strange that N4 has those features in kernel already.. [10:07] @DanChapman, Forget it, it's from a year ago... [10:09] @delijati, `sudo stop ubuntu-push-client` but that won't persist across reboots. you would probably need to create an ubuntu-push-client.override file and set it to "manual" or something like that. [10:09] @Lukas Wolfskin, SO it's fine now? [10:10] Wouldn't know, it's a reason I went back to Android... [10:11] Well i don't want to "forget it" if it needs fixing. I just need a bug report 😉 [10:13] I belive I did. Anyway, a lot has changed since then. I'm testing the Water before trying again. The above battery issue is concerning... When the weekend comes around, I'll check it out. [10:13] And let ya know [10:15] @Lukas Wolfskin, Ok, that would be great ! … btw https://gitlab.com/groups/dekkoproject/-/issues?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=all&search=office365 i'm not seeing any references to it. [10:16] @Lukas Wolfskin, This @DanChapman [10:46] @DanChapman, thanks i will try that [11:12] push is probably not the issue [11:13] @delijati, disable notifications for Twitter and such in settings [11:15] Also, if battery usage is ok on wifi with cell data disabled, more likely some other issue than notifications polling (which is accounts-polld, not push) [11:17] @peternerlich, Two issues. Spectre attack affects all chips. Meltdown is likely only Intel. [11:24] Does the OPO support convergence? [11:30] @lommeke, every UT device does support convergence. What you want to ask is does it support external display either via cable or wirelessly. Convergence can be turned on even on-device by switching from staged to windowed mode. [11:30] @peternerlich right I see. I think custom specification of app orientation is a feature in some Android rotation editor programs. I wonder if UT Tweak Tool could feature this option in an update? Otherwise I wish I had requested OTA-3 to feature the phone app in portrait by default. I would wager that most people prefer it this way too? [11:32] @TartanSpartan, dialer-app only supports portrait [11:32] Okay, I get it. Can I connect it to an external display by cable? [11:33] Evidence points to the contrary. [11:34] @TartanSpartan, Is a bug, but not sure where. Or do you mean landscape? [11:34] (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/C4i7rI4T/file_3526.jpg [11:36] So you don't see this on your daily driver phone? [11:37] Yeah, that is a bug. The app itself declares to not support autorotation [11:40] Hmm, maybe a fundamental design flaw in how rotation is handled in Ubuntu [11:40] A quick test on my MX4 (naturally I haven't used it's telephony functions since donating the SIM to the MP5) shows the same behaviour. I'm not sure whether this first started happening on OTA 2 or 3. [11:43] I think it's always been a problem [11:43] I think it was OTA 2 as I pointed out the problem to a friend prior to 3's release date. [11:44] But again, you're saying you don't have the problem on your phone? Or that you do? [11:45] Turn off rotation lock, rotate to landscape, and open the phone. [11:45] I'm saying I know it's not a bug in the app itself. [11:47] I tried that sequence of steps you mention, but same behaviour. [11:49] That's weird [11:49] Did you mean to rotate to portrait? [11:50] No. But this is definitely a deeper issue than the dialer app [11:52] OIC. Stopwatch shows the correct behaviour I want so perhaps it's code could illuminate matters. [11:57] @TartanSpartan, In bq e4.5 the landscape view of the dialer-app view incorrectly [11:58] (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/rae7CNoa/file_3529.jpg Actual view, the name contact same problem of all the resto secon line adjust distance [12:02] (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/f5hCUNEg/file_3531.jpg Actual view. The issue is the adjutament distance in the second line. In all items. [12:02] one question about ubports intaller: [12:03] how long does it take to flash fresh version of ubports on m10 fhd? [12:03] tablet is in flash mode [12:03] ubport installer is in this mode for last 5-10 minutes... [12:04] (Photo, 800x628) https://irc.ubports.com/Oko3WKwF/file_3533.jpg [12:04] should I unplug the USB cable and replug it? [12:04] I doubt that [12:06] I didn't need to do that, but have you checked your udev rules? [12:06] no [12:07] how to do that? [12:07] https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer have a look at the readme. ;) [12:07] hehe, thanks :D [12:08] Another question: Are we going to "replace" oxide by qtwebengine or are that different things @mariogrip ? [12:09] Popesz was added by: Popesz [12:09] ok, I don't have the udev rules sorted out :) [12:10] @nfsprodriver thanks :) [12:10] should i just leave the m10 in fast boot? [12:11] Don't know, maybe you should restart the process if nothing happens. [12:12] <蔡荣诠🐕> 😂 [12:14] Hi group, I am Popesz [12:15] I have some questions regarding ubuntu touch, especially the contacts app. For more than a month i can not open the contacts at all, it loads and when almoast ready, switches off [12:16] how can I reinstall just th contacts app, it is not listed in the core apps [12:16] @Paktosan, I'm using a Nexus 5, it's great! Ubuntu runs well, aside from the battery issue. And with a custom ROM and no Google, it's lightning fast. [12:16] I added the udev rules, but now I got the message, that ubport -installer cannot get to my device...hmmm [12:18] @kristijantkalec, I suggest visit the Welcome Room. Press the button in here … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [12:34] @nfsprodriver, Maybe, but not desided yet what to do [12:34] but at least we want to provide the option [12:34] 👍 Thanks! [12:35] @mariogrip, given yesterday's lovely security news, rm -rf web* seems reasonable [12:36] @nfsprodriver, It also depends if someone what's to continue oxide, maybe we will stay. but right now it looks like qtwebengine might be our safest bet [12:36] @dohbee, true that [12:36]