 (Sticker, 362x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wwTAxU8H/file_3519
 how rude
 I've just got UBports on my E4.5 up and running. Great job guys and many many thanks again.
 Anyone knows if  UT works correctly on Bq Aquaris M10 HD (the  NOT FHD version) ? are there any downsides if i pick it over the FHD version?
 @TronFortyTwo, With it I meant 'yay!' or '+1'
 @dohbee do you know of any test suites that would check that the HAL was running correctly?
 @UniversalSuperBox, i didn't work on that level of stuff, so i don't. maybe there's something still sitting on ubuntu wiki somewhere though
 @Eranuzan, it does work on it (both versions were available with ubuntu from bq). downside is fewer pixels. not sure if storage or other hardware is different (i think it's just the pixels)
 @dohbee, great! thanks ☺ ithink i'll get my self one
 Hello, can anyone help me install a rom through the terminal? I downloaded the ROM, but with a huge difficulty to install.
 What ROM and in what way are you trying to install it?
 @dohbee, I have a question that I hope you can answer. What is an "Overlay", in the low-level Ubuntu Touch sense?
 well, it can mean many things depending on what you're asking about exactly
 I find it here [1], but all I can really see is "It's a thing that's mounted over a thing" … [1] https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot/blob/fd906a4ddaff887a2d87dd0b37277e452abe1266/initramfs/scripts/touch#L135
 ie, some mount locations are overlay mounts
 I don't really see any references to it being used
 ok, yeah, so that's sort of overlay mounts
 it looks like specifically that is bind mounting, which is a bit different from overlay mounting
 but achieves a similar goal
 Aha
 Here's where it's used: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot/blob/fd906a4ddaff887a2d87dd0b37277e452abe1266/initramfs/scripts/touch#L468
 yup
 I don't understand why though. That'd be a marius question I suspect
 Mounting the Ubuntu system into the container's system folder...
 ah, right, because the root fs is a bind mount
 Loop mount
 But why mount `/` into `/android/system/ubuntu`
 well it's mounting /android/system/ubuntu (which is the ubuntu root fs) onto /
 Ohhhhhhhh
 And I've skipped that step, I see
 This is the 'flipped' thing that the scripts are talking about so much
 yeah, it's a little confusing, due to the way we use android
 Right, so I rendered that obsolete. Good, don't think I need it any more
 In other news, that initrd is really confusing.
 yeah, i don't know enough about the rest of the layout, but i'd sway ideally we want to move away from such bind mounts here
 Second question, doesn't hurt to ask. Do you know of any case where the Android system would actually use the Ubuntu version properties? … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-boot/blob/fd906a4ddaff887a2d87dd0b37277e452abe1266/initramfs/scripts/touch#L48
 @dohbee, Hybris-boot luckily does away with that. It hands you your rootfs as `/`, the Android data partition at `/data`, and says "Here. You make something of this, I'm going to bed."
 Luckily or unluckily... I guess I haven't decided.
 @UniversalSuperBox, i don't know if anything on the android side specifically uses them. i think we just persist them in the android properties bit to be able to read them really early
 Ah. So does anything actually read them from the persistant storage?
 not sure if/why we need to do that, either
 I suppose, maybe the updater from Recovery...
 I'm a bit too afraid to look at it, though
 yeah, maybe something for the recovery side
 Well hey, always good to get rid of a bit more complexity
 And... replace it with more Upstart complexity... https://github.com/UniversalSuperBox/ut-halium-compat
 Interesting side-note while I'm thinking about it... the complex flipping of the filesystem is what allows Ubuntu Touch devices to support the "Charging mode" that is required on all Android handsets. Basically, if the initramfs detects that the device is booting because the charger is plugged in, it just boots Android. Getting around this could be quite difficult now that we don't have Android mounted before everything else.
 The complexity certainly solved problems...
 eh, the less android, the better
 But charging mode can be useful, since the Android system probably knows how to charge the battery from very low states better than Ubuntu.
 It should be handled by the kernel
 But you know Android vendors
 And Qualcomm
 Specifically Qualcomm
 not sure why any userspace thing would matter there, other than "don't boot the system" so you don't end up wasting all the battery trying to boot and run stuff, when you don't have enough battery
 but afaik, that never really worked well on ubuntu phone (at least, not on my nexus devices)
 Qualcomm proprietary quick charge negotiation and such
 Really? Works on our ports to my knowledge
 I know it works on the FP2 for a fact
 well i just put my nexus 5 on my qi charger. will see what happens
 seems to be doing the right thing so far
 but there's "lake effect" snow happening on east coast usa from the ocean right now, so i don't know what is real any more
 Oh hey
 Midwest sure knows what that is
 @dohbee, 😂
 hmm, ok, so nexus 5 behaved now. i definitely recall previously (especially on my n4) it would just end up booting into ubuntu on charger
 time to get some sleep though.
 @UniversalSuperBox, west coast doesn't.  or at least Wayne coast doesnt.... I'll go duckduck myself
 now I know.  yikes.  i'm not a fan of such lake effects and I haven't seen one
 How is battery performance for Pro5 users after OTA3?
[05:36] <tgBot1> iHusky was added by: iHusky
 good morning
 I want ask, can someone port ubuntu touch for xiaomi redmi note 4 (mido)
 @iHusky, I believe someone started a port for it
 check @halium
 halium, who is this?
 and where I can find him?
 @Stereofont, Estonian
 @lastdon82, its ok I get around a day if usage before it dies
 @Eranuzan, It is not my main driver but i get a day out of it. I use to get a day and half prior to switching to UBports from Canonical.
 mm that might be true as today I charge it at 10% and before (don't know if its canonical or ota-1 ) it was around 20% but oughts really hard to tell
 @Eranuzan, ok thanks for the feedback
 anything for a fellow PRO 😋
[08:01] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Stereofont, Unfortunately, yes. I did not manage to get the majority of my compadres over to telegram from whatsapp. Anyway...  The mail app wasn't synching with my office365 work account, and it also wasn't synching with an older exchange account... So it was kind of a double killer... I'm very intersted in anbox, and curious about the Libre 5 phone in the future of things.
[08:02] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Other than those smaller personal issues, I think the platform is great!
 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
 @jmnemonix, Intel released a statement that also AMD and ARM chips are affected. I don't know if this is a smear campaign, or true. That's what I heard.
 @Jo_Led, for what I know, they shouldn't be affected, but until these assumptions become facts, arm and amd chips are treated also as unsecure
 Hi guys, is there a way perhaps from the command line to set a manual override for the rotation/orientation of a specific app?  For example I usually have my phone locked in landscape but I want the actual phone app to switch to landscape, seems a more natural way to use it in that fashion.
 @TartanSpartan, hm, the app itself can say 'I run only in ___ mode', manually specifying it for arbitrary apps will need some wonky hacking, I would estimate
 someone also experinecing battery drain with OTA-3 on BQ E4.5? i habe deactivated the notifications but still my battery is empty after 1 day
 @delijati, did you already restart since noticing?
 could also be a memory leak by dekko2, at least I heard something about that before christmas, not sure if already fixed
 memory leak? Not had a bug report for one 😕
 @peternerlich, yeah twice ... i go to bed by 70% and in the morning the phone if off aka 0%
 Dan, maybe Peter meant the zombies created by Dekko2
 the notification service can i shut it down by hand ? just assuming its that
 no i removed dekko2 still using dekko
 @gurucubano, Ah ok, yeah that was fixed. And as far as i know zombie process resources get deallocated and only a record in the process table is retained
 could be there any other service running ?
 it was a bug in QProcess where it creates a zombie process if it tries to exec an non-exiting binary
 @gurucubano, @DanChapman yes, sorry, only remembered there was *something*
 👍
 @salarelv, Apologies. I could see myself walking into that hole. We do have a Finnish group but regrettably not an Estonian one - yet
 @Lukas Wolfskin, @DanChapman is the Office365 thing known?
[09:33] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Known?
[09:33] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> As in, reported?
 found it i habve the same problem ... over new year i deactivated mobile data and the phone lasted 4 days as usual https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/400
 @Stereofont, Yep
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Yep
[09:33] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Yeah, I was following the forum at the time. And regularly submitted bug reports and comments...
[09:34] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> This was about a year ago...
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Ah, okay. So not Dekko2?
 @Stereofont, No problem we are close to Finland. The language is similar and also Taavi is a common name in Finland
[09:35] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Can't remember now, mate. Apologies.
[09:35] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> I'm thinking about giving 15.04 a spin again...
[09:36] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Excited about 16.04
 @salarelv, With Danish/ Norwegian/Swedish we have one group. My understanding is that wouldn't work for Estonian/Finnish?
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Sightsee on the 16.04 building site but no running water…
[09:41] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> I know...
[09:41] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Can wait!
[09:41] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> And submit reports...  I'm not much of a programmer. I teach history...
[09:42] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> This is just really cool and fun to keep up with!
 @delijati, Same for me with my nexus 5
 yeah deactivating mobile data fixes it .. so something is probably polling al lot :/
 and i asume notifications service ... so how to deactivate :)
 @Stereofont, Probably not. Finnish/Estonian are a class of their own.
 Hopefully we will have an Estonian group soon 👍
 Yeah, that mobiledata battery consumption is bad in N5. I tried to look N5 wakelocks, but didn't work out because kernel is missing some features.
 @Stereofont, What office35 thing? That's a little vague 😁
 Strange that N4 has those features in kernel already..
[10:07] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @DanChapman, Forget it, it's from a year ago...
 @delijati, `sudo stop ubuntu-push-client` but that won't persist across reboots. you would probably need to create an ubuntu-push-client.override file and set it to "manual" or something like that.
 @Lukas Wolfskin, SO it's fine now?
[10:10] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Wouldn't know, it's a reason I went back to Android...
 Well i don't want to "forget it" if it needs fixing. I just need a bug report 😉
[10:13] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> I belive I did. Anyway, a lot has changed since then. I'm testing the Water before trying again. The above battery issue is concerning... When the weekend comes around, I'll check it out.
[10:13] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> And let ya know
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Ok, that would be great ! … btw https://gitlab.com/groups/dekkoproject/-/issues?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=all&search=office365 i'm not seeing any references to it.
 @Lukas Wolfskin, This @DanChapman
 @DanChapman, thanks i will try that
 push is probably not the issue
 @delijati, disable notifications for Twitter and such in settings
 Also, if battery usage is ok on wifi with cell data disabled, more likely some other issue than notifications polling (which is accounts-polld, not push)
 @peternerlich, Two issues. Spectre attack affects all chips. Meltdown is likely only Intel.
 Does the OPO support convergence?
 @lommeke, every UT device does support convergence. What you want to ask is does it support external display either via cable or wirelessly. Convergence can be turned on even on-device by switching from staged to windowed mode.
 @peternerlich right I see. I think custom specification of app orientation is a feature in some Android rotation editor programs. I wonder if UT Tweak Tool could feature this option in an update? Otherwise I wish I had requested OTA-3 to feature the phone app in portrait by default. I would wager that most people prefer it this way too?
 @TartanSpartan, dialer-app only supports portrait
 Okay, I get it. Can I connect it to an external display by cable?
 Evidence points to the contrary.
 @TartanSpartan, Is a bug, but not sure where. Or do you mean landscape?
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/C4i7rI4T/file_3526.jpg
 So you don't see this on your daily driver phone?
 Yeah, that is a bug. The app itself declares to not support autorotation
 Hmm, maybe a fundamental design flaw in how rotation is handled in Ubuntu
 A quick test on my MX4 (naturally I haven't used it's telephony functions since donating the SIM to the MP5) shows the same behaviour. I'm not sure whether this first started happening on OTA 2 or 3.
 I think it's always been a problem
 I think it was OTA 2 as I pointed out the problem to a friend prior to 3's release date.
 But again, you're saying you don't have the problem on your phone? Or that you do?
 Turn off rotation lock, rotate to landscape, and open the phone.
 I'm saying I know it's not a bug in the app itself.
 I tried that sequence of steps you mention, but same behaviour.
 That's weird
 Did you mean to rotate to portrait?
 No. But this is definitely a deeper issue than the dialer app
 OIC. Stopwatch shows the correct behaviour I want so perhaps it's code could illuminate matters.
 @TartanSpartan, In bq e4.5 the landscape view of the dialer-app view incorrectly
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/rae7CNoa/file_3529.jpg Actual view, the name contact same problem of all the resto secon line adjust distance
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/f5hCUNEg/file_3531.jpg Actual view. The issue is the adjutament distance in the second line. In all items.
 one question about ubports intaller:
 how long does it take to flash fresh version of ubports on m10 fhd?
 tablet is in flash mode
 ubport installer is in this mode for last 5-10 minutes...
 (Photo, 800x628) https://irc.ubports.com/Oko3WKwF/file_3533.jpg
 should I unplug the USB cable and replug it?
 I doubt that
 I didn't need to do that, but have you checked your udev rules?
 no
 how to do that?
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer have a look at the readme. ;)
 hehe, thanks :D
 Another question: Are we going to "replace" oxide by qtwebengine or are that different things @mariogrip ?
[12:09] <tgBot1> Popesz was added by: Popesz
 ok, I don't have the udev rules sorted out :)
 @nfsprodriver thanks :)
 should i just leave the m10 in fast boot?
 Don't know, maybe you should restart the process if nothing happens.
[12:12] <tgBot1> <蔡 荣诠🐕> 😂
 Hi group, I am Popesz
 I have some questions regarding ubuntu touch, especially the contacts app. For more than a month i can not open the contacts at all, it loads and when almoast ready, switches off
 how can I reinstall just th contacts app, it is not listed in the core apps
[12:16] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Paktosan, I'm using a Nexus 5, it's great! Ubuntu runs well, aside from the battery issue. And with a custom ROM and no Google, it's lightning fast.
 I added the udev rules, but now I got the message, that ubport -installer cannot get to my device...hmmm
 @kristijantkalec, I suggest visit the Welcome Room. Press the button in here …  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @nfsprodriver, Maybe, but not desided yet what to do
 but at least we want to provide the option
 👍 Thanks!
 @mariogrip, given yesterday's lovely security news, rm -rf web* seems reasonable
 @nfsprodriver, It also depends if someone what's to continue oxide, maybe we will stay. but right now it looks like qtwebengine might be our safest bet
 @dohbee, true that
 @mariogrip So, which branch of dialer-app (and really, all the deb-based apps) is what gets built/packaged in the images?
 @Popesz, Probably your data files are corrupted, reinstall of the app wont help
 @dohbee, xenial will land in the images xenial images (vivid same story=
 so i need to make PRs for all the branches, basically?
 @Flohack, You mean a clear new flash is the answer?
 instead of just master?
 @Popesz, You can probably move the current contacts.db out of the way to see if contacts app then loads, and then try to recover data from that file to restore contacts
 @mariogrip, Hi
 @dohbee, @Flohack is in the progress of cleaning up the branches there, so in the end it will be only one branch that lands in the images
 but right now, xenial is the only to pr to
 @Popesz, This is Ubuntu, you can do a clean manually. But before try to get a log file
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Hi :D
 @mariogrip, How are you?
[12:41] <tgBot1> marielleb was added by: epierre
 @PhoenixLandPirate, So far ok :) you?
 @mariogrip, I'm doing pretty good! :)
 Welcome Marielle! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @TartanSpartan, https://github.com/ubports/dialer-app/issues/6#issuecomment-355273535
 @DanChapman, did you ever see this 'bug' i filed? ;) … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/371
 eh, number of bug reports received as a measure of progress/scaling is not good.
 i mean sure, you don't want it to be too difficult to report an issue, but you don't want it to be too easy either
 A BugReporter app could structure bug feedback and build in 'required ' fields to set a minimum standard on quality
 there are many other things that really should be done, prior to a bug reporting app being particularly useful in and of itself
 for one, either working with canonical to set up a group on launchpad to get access to crash reports sent to errors.ubuntu.com for the ubports stack, or standing up the same infrastructure under ubports.com somewhere, with necessary patching in the image so that crash reports get sent there instead
 Is Daisy even open-source?
 Not that I'd really want us to host our own
 yes
 i'm pretty sure it is
 @UniversalSuperBox, https://code.launchpad.net/daisy
 Neat
 And whoopsie as well https://launchpad.net/whoopsie 😊
 Man, I love those names
 It's genious!
 So the app will say moo! splosh!
 one of the great lacking features of telegram; cowsay
 @dohbee, There is a cowsay bot https://storebot.me/bot/cowsaysbot but it doesn't seem to work 😞
 _________________ … < It works for me > …  ----------------- …    \ …     \ …         .--. …        |o_o | …        |:_/ | …       //   \ \ …      (|     | ) …     /'\_   _/`\ …     \___)=(___/
 ```​ _____ … < Cow > …  ----- …      \ …       \  (__)   …          (\/)   …   /-------\/     …  / | 666 ||     … *  ||----||       …    ~~    ~~```
 Works.
 😞 It just sits there with a loading spinner for me
 it looks so horrible in irc
 @dohbee, where can I find the contacts.db?
 @Popesz, in `~/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system/` iirc
 thanks a lot
[14:29] <tgBot1> <Emanuel Monte90> Someone here speaks Portuguese or Spanish
 @Emanuel Monte90, join @ubports_es
 @Emanuel Monte90, Or https://t.me/joinchat/ALdCegI_knZj301cCAbSMw
[14:43] <tgBot1> <Emanuel Monte90> @Bolly, Thank tou!
[14:44] <tgBot1> <Emanuel Monte90> @Bolly, Thank you
 Hi all
 New update for Instagraph is in OpenStore
 can anyone update it and check if it works
 I couldn't test it on my phone
 @turanmahmudov, Stories work
 DMs don't unfortunately
 Full changelog: … * Stories feed tray & story medias feature  … * New Direct Message feature  … * Mark Direct Thread as seen feature  … * Load More feature in Following Recent Activity page  … * Enabling & Disabling Commenting feature  … * Rework on Send Media page  … * UI changes  … * Performance improvements  … * Bug fixes
 @Georgecloon, can you please report bug? https://github.com/turanmahmudov/Instagraph/issues
 @turanmahmudov, It's the same I reported earlier
 Should I open a new one then?
 Or reopen the other one
 Thanks for the update, by the way
 It works for me
 even sending messages to multiple users works
 can you please open a new one and describe the problem there?
 Sure, but let me try again then, maybe I did something wrong
 Click on + icon and select users, then you can write your message
 Finding people to send to, sending to a group of people and sending in existing chats all work
 But if you tap on a chat to open it, it just loads endlessly
 I'll put that in a bug report then
 awesome work! keep it up, although I'm not really an Instagram "user" 😁
 @Georgecloon, now I understood the problem :)
 will be fixed soon
 @Javacookies, you're an Instagram star :D
 @turanmahmudov, Great, thanks a lot!
 Thank you :)
 @DanChapman Hello sir, In dekko2 I can download attachment files but if I press the "hamburger" button in the left of the file instead of pressing the file itself. I get the "not implemented" notice
 (Photo, 908x504) https://irc.ubports.com/qL0zhbV7/file_3542.jpg
 Anyways, I repeat, I can download the files without issues if I press the file itself
 Also the "show favorites folders" doesnt work
 Did someone look to use firefox on ubuntu touch as default browser ?
 Is it a possibility or this is to complexe ?
 it's not really feasible
 (Photo, 1143x670) https://irc.ubports.com/aNC87lxt/file_3544.jpg when I follow the instructions the Ubports-Recovery-Screen apears, but it does nothing
 @malditobastardo, That's the intended behaviour to just press it to download/open. The additional options haven't been implemented yet. Hence the notice
 @RaphaelItsMe, https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome Click on the Welcome Room button for install help
[16:40] <tgBot1> Aliens_edc was added by: Aliens_edc
 Hi Alien. This is not it either 😎
 @DanChapman, Thank you Dan, I thought it was a bug or something :)
 It makes sense..
[16:58] <tgBot1> Nitron was added by: Nitron
 Firefox would be feasible under Anbox though.
 well you can use firefox mobile build for android under anbox, sure
 but it's not feasible as a replacement for webbrowser-app
 @Nitron, Welcome Nitron! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 (Sticker, 358x512) https://irc.ubports.com/3vsSQQ0W/file_3545
 Norton it can be useful ti make a username in Telegram. Then ping and invite will work for you
 @Nitron, Maybe try jpeg or png instead? Telegram doesn't understand webp
 Nitron, your first language is?
 Does anyone know why there are two seemingly identical 'Fahrplan' apps in the OpenStore?
 (Photo, 358x512) https://irc.ubports.com/nqil4AQI/file_3547.jpg
 (Photo, 1440x870) https://irc.ubports.com/vyHn0ALU/file_3549.jpg
 @Georgecloon, anyone can package a webapp, and a great many do
 @dohbee, It's not a webapp
 oh
 well i only see one on the web site?
 oh no. the web site is just hella confusing
 i don't think mzanetti is maintaining stuff any more really
 and so it looks like chris clime forked it
 @Georgecloon, ok, it looks like mzanetti unpublished his version from the store, so theoretically only the newer forked version (openstore.fahrplan2) should be there
 @Georgecloon, They are not identical. You need to switch to the newer, which has a different maintainer
 Oh yeah, they differ in size
 Fwd from mzanetti: Michael published info on how to migrate over: https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/de.michael-stevens.fahrplan2
 I'll switch to Chris Clime's then
 @Georgecloon, Is it useful in Netherlands?
 Reforward the above to the Dutch group, if it is
 @Stereofont, Yes it is, it works with the local public transportation website
 'The above' is the message you sent with the link?
 Yes. The link is enough
 It went to German and Scandinavian already
 London and Sydney also
 If someone can drop it into the Spanish group, also useful
 For South America
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InFJmHsIoVE
 ^^ music playmer maybe we can use
 qml/kirigami
 It would be very nice if you could support QtQuickControls 2 / Kirigami 2 apps in general
 Kaidan (XMPP client) would run on Ubuntu Touch then too :)
 yeah :/
 huh i didn't know fka twigs and john mayer were the same person
 i'd rather people would work together instead of rewriting the same things over and over ad infineum
 @dohbee I just saw your solution, thank you, simple and effective. Plus it's good to know for other apps should we choose to override our preferred global rotation lock and specify the vice-versa option.
 @Stereofont, Thank you!
 @marielleb, Your name looks Dutch so if you want in the Dutch UBports group here's the link: t.me/UBports_NL
 That's right. I'm in there already. Thanks.
 Oh oops
 😅
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HFrpakeI/file_3552.jpg The new terminal is sexy!
 Oh yes! Starting from ~?
 @nfsprodriver, xenial, terminal version 8.2
 https://github.com/ubports/terminal-app/tree/xenial
 I meant is it starting from home dir now :)
 @nfsprodriver, Oh hahah :P
 hello @mariogrip
 how's it going?
 @mariogrip, even sexier? Is that even possible?
 @mariogrip, OMG OMG OMG OMG!!
 I don't wanna black out terminalgasming every time I try to use it on my device
 @mariogrip, We'd need to restore the old UI on phones :P IIRC, when Canonical started that terminal-app branch, their focus was more on desktop than phones ^^
 @sverzegnassi, seems to work fine on phone
 @sverzegnassi, what old ui? it was the same on both
 only thing that is a bit funky, is setting opens in a new window
 what i want is for people to stop implementing only touch based UIs for apps
 @dohbee, the new tab bar, shouldn't be there when running in "phone mode" https://design.canonical.com/2016/08/convergent-terminal/
 ah! i see
 well that shouldn't be too hard to improve
 there are some other ui annoyances with the terminal app too, though
 not sure if they exist on phone, but they did on pc for sure
 Sure, hiding the tab bar is a minor thing
 or at least, they do in windowed mode
 i don't know if tab bar should be "hidden" so much as "collapsed"
 The recommendation from the design team was to use the bottom edge, which would anyway interfere with the keyboard gestures (i.e. tabs would be accessible only when OSK is collapsed)
 well, design team does make mistakes :)
 Like everyone on Earth :P
 I recall I got some discussion with them about the bottom edge implementation for terminal-app (it happened when I've been maintaining terminal-app for a while)
 Perhaps it'd make more sense to have a bottom edge gesture (or just a single tap on screen) to reveal the OSK, since we already have an analogous gesture for hiding it. Tabs could be one of those two floating buttons
 Does UBports recovery screen appear on Fairphone 2 new display, even with older versions of UT?
 @mariogrip, 😍😍😍😍
 @sverzegnassi, The floating button things are one of the bits i really do not like about the terminal app, considering they obfuscate content
 i'd rather have tabs behave just like a normal pagestack on the phone, and the settings moved to the top panel, and get rid of the overlay buttons
 Yeah, agreed. I can tollerate only the OSK floating button we currently show at the bottom of the screen (on vivid). So any of the following two options would be equally fair for me: … 1- Enlarge the tab bar offered by the new terminal-app version … 2- Move 'settings' button inside the tabs page, and just show the 'tabs' action at the bottom
 hmm, and telegram web site is being annoying again today :-/
 @Stereofont, Anything older than OTA-3, no
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks
 Hi Guys one small quiestion i have now a Onplus One but i think about to buy a Fairphone 2 witch one from these woul be the best?
 My opinion is wait for a few months. The list of options is likely to expand
 Choose the Fairphone for ethical reasons if you wish
 @Stereofont, Yes i know, but i likt to know it now as i can buy a Fairphone 2 for a verry good price...
 I got mine for €250
 You have to like the Brutalist look and feel
 And how is the speed as i compaire the 2 devices and if i´m not mistake a oneplus one is faster...
 It feels like an underwater housing
 The balloon game works nicely 😂
 👍
 Anyone here who cant register on the forum?
 Is there a method to refresh the email list in any given folder with Dekko 2? The standard pull down and release doesn't seem to work for me on any device.
 @Flohack, I'll try it..
 wait!
 I need to see the log during you try
 @Jakob, Ok if you like go ahead now
 I'am registered.
 @Flohack, Any issues?
 hmm yes, people reported that ehy cannot register
 @Flohack, Missing confirmation e-mail, but I'll wait some minutes.
 tell me your email addy plz
[21:35] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> Battery
 @Flohack, flyinjakob (at) arcor.de
 Thank you for registering with UBports Forum! … To fully activate your account, we need to verify that you own the email address you registered with.
 seems to workz?
 Email Confirmed … Thank you for validating your email. Your account is now fully activated.
 @popescu_sorin, We fixed it now
 Was missing a checkmark doh
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/U09lsTLA/file_3554
 Forum Registrations hopefully fixed! We sent out new invites to all guys!
 oh
 🎉🎉
 @majster do you have snow?
 i miss snow :(
 😆
 lol :P
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/NzQOf1pY/file_3555.mp4
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/PqK79vZS/file_3556
 I didnt know that
 @Flohack, Yes, it works. Received confirmation e-mail yet. Thank you.
 hmm unity8 mir 0.29 stuff pretty unhappy in my vm it seems
 @dohbee, any log? haven't tried in a wm yet
 @Flohack, does this mean i have to use the forum ?  ;)
 nope :D
 @mariogrip, not yet. terminal app wouldn't start so need to poke about a bit
 yay!
 @neothethird, this changed my life, man
 @wayneoutthere, Forum telegram group?
 @dohbee, the qt terminal or the gnome one?
 @wayneoutthere, You can, if you like. You have not used it until now?
 @dohbee, Be happy it works at least a bit. Some months ago mir could not be run in a vm at all.
 xmir is still a bit funky
 @malditobastardo, Not another group please! 😆
 @nfsprodriver, i've had unity8 running in a vm since some point in 2016 at least
 Oh, okay...
 @mariogrip, nothing would start under unity8, just stays on splash screens
 hrmm
 "Double free or corruption" in unity8
 but i think that's during logout
 Hello! My buddy is on sprint and wants to know if the n5 works with UT on sprint. Anyone know?
 yup
 @alan_morford, no, cdma devices are not supported
 @dohbee, Bummer. Thank you
 @dohbee, Aw bummer
 @dohbee, really?  is that a UT thing or the device?
 Wait
 The Nexus 5 has a CDMA radio
 yeah CDMA works on n5
 @wayneoutthere, i think it's more a "nobody has ever dedicated any time at all to even attempt to make it work"
 @alan_morford, N5 CDMA should work.
 @mariogrip, that's what I though
 my N4 works on both I'm 99% sure
 i've never seen anyone with a cdma n5 state that it actually does work
 i've only seen europeans say it should :P
 So what I've learned here is a solid maybe
 Try it. The worst that can happen is it won't work.
 Dekko 2 query, anyone?
 @Xray2000, FP2 under 15.04 is not very good
 @Xenial, The problem is how to compare it with OPO?
 I compare them using metrics for reboots
 FP2 reboots all the time xD
 FP2 port was in better shape before OTA-2
 oh, open store is armhf click :(
 sorry by mistake.
 @TartanSpartan, There is only a manual sync option for the standard folders in the navigation drawer at the moment . Just slide one left and tap the icon or right click it with a mouse. Pull to refresh is on my todo list