| juliank | Tomorrow we'll see apt 1.6~alpha6 with a new mirror method and very fast ipv6->ipv4 fallback | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| * juliank is already running it as 1.6~alpha5ubuntu1 - a weird anomaly :D | 00:01 | |
| juliank | The new mirror method is amazing | 00:02 |
| juliank | it actually works | 00:02 |
| juliank | the previous one is broken for unknown reasons | 00:03 |
| juliank | at least in bionic | 00:03 |
| JackFrost | Hmm? | 00:03 |
| * juliank has not checked artful or older | 00:03 | |
| juliank | It just hangs | 00:03 |
| juliank | in my bionic system | 00:03 |
| juliank | I think it worked fine in my sid | 00:03 |
| JackFrost | Using mirror://? People actually use them? :3 | 00:04 |
| juliank | I don't know, but we have a new method for it | 00:04 |
| juliank | :D | 00:04 |
| juliank | There's also mirror+https now | 00:04 |
| juliank | which you probably should be using | 00:04 |
| juliank | though, I don't know. | 00:04 |
| juliank | All I can say is that it works fine now | 00:04 |
| JackFrost | sources.list normally doesn't contain https :3 | 00:05 |
| juliank | Well the thing with the mirror stuff is that it contains a completely untrusted mirror list | 00:06 |
| juliank | Using https gives you some security for that | 00:06 |
| juliank | sure, it would be nicer if the mirror list were signed | 00:06 |
| juliank | OK, we also do not only fall back fast from IPv6 to IPv4, we fall back fast on any connection problem. | 00:08 |
| juliank | :D | 00:08 |
| juliank | So we just do multiple attempts concurrently and pick the first winner | 00:09 |
| juliank | alternating between the v6 and v4 (or whatever preference your system has), and with 250 ms delay between attempts | 00:09 |
| JackFrost | Hrm, I need to figure out how to use .sources properly. | 00:10 |
| juliank | I think we also enabled retries by default | 00:10 |
| juliank | If something fails to fetch, APT now retries automatically | 00:10 |
| juliank | Or no, it might be off by default | 00:11 |
| juliank | But that's really useful with some CDNs...... | 00:11 |
| juliank | JackFrost: Regarding https in sources.list - my debian system is mostly https | 00:11 |
| juliank | but then I rewrote the https stuff so I had to use it | 00:12 |
| juliank | https just adds modest levels of confidentiality | 00:13 |
| juliank | at the risk of having to run all that TLS code | 00:13 |
| JackFrost | http://paste.openstack.org/show/637558/ I had to hope that would work, but alas. :P | 00:17 |
| juliank | JackFrost: So, you gotta place that as a .sources file in .sources.list.d, it can't be a .list | 00:19 |
| JackFrost | I'm aware, and no the format is each URI in a separate block. | 00:19 |
| juliank | So you can only have one uri in the uris field? | 00:20 |
| juliank | or? | 00:20 |
| JackFrost | You don't know? :3 But yes, that's what it seems to be saying in the 'As an example, the sources for your distribution..' section of the manpage, which means 'URIs' is very misleading. | 00:21 |
| JackFrost | I'd be fine if it picked one so you could but a group of fallover ones there, but with that sources file apt just hangs. | 00:22 |
| mwhudson | can someone mark ubuntu-image/1.3+18.04ubuntu1 as a badtest? | 03:02 |
| mwhudson | it's failing because a new flake8 breaks the qa autopkgtest | 03:02 |
| === Elimin8r is now known as Elimin8er | ||
| JackFrost | LocutusOfBorg: Did you see my question the other day? | 09:05 |
| LocutusOfBorg | JackFrost, no | 09:09 |
| JackFrost | OK. I wondered why you dropped remmina back to indicators from using ayatana indicators? | 09:09 |
| LocutusOfBorg | because it is not in main | 09:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | feel free to request a MIR | 09:10 |
| cpaelzer | Is today some unusual business or shortage on builders? | 09:12 |
| cpaelzer | my ppa gets predicted times of 4-6 hours to start builds | 09:12 |
| cpaelzer | just wondering if I need to look for mistakes on my end or if it is just a hickup on the builders themselve | 09:12 |
| LocutusOfBorg | cpaelzer, I guess the kernel intel foo bug | 09:12 |
| cpaelzer | oh is today the patchday | 09:13 |
| cpaelzer | yeah things might recycle then | 09:13 |
| cpaelzer | but I wondered as all arches stall me | 09:13 |
| cpaelzer | but if there are core components recycled that could be possible | 09:13 |
| Laney | all builders are off, see the topic in here | 09:14 |
| cpaelzer | thanks Laney | 09:14 |
| * cpaelzer wonders if he every read a topic unless people ask him to do so :-) | 09:14 | |
| LocutusOfBorg | I actually tried to read the topic, but hexchat when topic is long, shows just the end, not the begin :/ | 09:17 |
| Laney | can't type /topic or something? | 09:18 |
| LocutusOfBorg | yep, but it didn't come in my mind that it could have been written at the begin, it was a brain bug :) | 09:19 |
| JackFrost | LocutusOfBorg: Aha, wondered if that was it. | 09:21 |
| JackFrost | Laney: I versioned it the way I did so that it'd satisify (>= 11) depends, though technically isn't the most accurate version. | 09:47 |
| JackFrost | LocutusOfBorg: I specifically wondered as I'm waiting to see what happens before I take action on xfce4-indicator-plugin. | 09:54 |
| Laney | JackFrost: thanks, can you post on the bug please so that I don't forget and others know? | 10:00 |
| JackFrost | Sure, I'm not attached to the version string though. | 10:00 |
| Laney | I guess someone can help review / consider it | 10:03 |
| LocutusOfBorg | JackFrost, the desiderata should be to move everything in main to the new dependency | 10:08 |
| LocutusOfBorg | jbicha, is it possible to switch network-manager-applet to aytana-appindicator? | 10:13 |
| JackFrost | Debian #880169. | 10:13 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 880169 in src:network-manager-applet "Please enable Indicator support and build against Ayatana Indicators" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/880169 | 10:14 |
| LocutusOfBorg | nice | 10:15 |
| LocutusOfBorg | transmission can probaably loose support | 10:15 |
| JackFrost | https://wiki.debian.org/Ayatana/IndicatorsTransition | 10:16 |
| LocutusOfBorg | and update-notifier is left | 10:16 |
| LocutusOfBorg | why update-notifier is not in that list? | 10:17 |
| JackFrost | Because that's not a package. | 10:18 |
| JackFrost | !info update-notifier unstable | 10:18 |
| ubottu | Package update-notifier does not exist in unstable | 10:18 |
| cking | Laney, FYI, I fixed that issue with stress-ng very late last night, so it should be fine now | 10:20 |
| cking | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/cking/stress-ng.git/commit/?id=25292428d235e2e96a3590ba7a48ef823ef0226a | 10:21 |
| Laney | cking: great, thanks! | 10:23 |
| Laney | if you ping me just before you upload it next time I can revert the blacklist | 10:24 |
| Laney | ha | 10:24 |
| Laney | nice fix | 10:24 |
| cking | stupid bug more like ;-) | 10:24 |
| Laney | try THIS for stress *pow pow pow* | 10:25 |
| cking | it's very good at stopping everything :-) | 10:25 |
| LocutusOfBorg | JackFrost, I'm talking about ubuntu | 10:52 |
| LocutusOfBorg | !info update-notifier bionic | 10:52 |
| ubottu | update-notifier (source: update-notifier): Daemon which notifies about package updates. In component main, is optional. Version 3.188 (bionic), package size 50 kB, installed size 238 kB | 10:52 |
| cpaelzer | hmm - is is a common issue that dbgsym of old releases are not copied forward | 10:53 |
| cpaelzer | libopts25 was last uploaded in zesty | 10:53 |
| cpaelzer | and I can't find its -dbgsym in bionic | 10:53 |
| cpaelzer | I can however | 10:53 |
| cpaelzer | use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/libopts25-dbgsym/1:5.18.12-3 | 10:53 |
| cpaelzer | and things work | 10:54 |
| cpaelzer | just wondering if I stumble or found an actual issue | 10:54 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: ahasenack: I'd appreciate if you could take a look at the dbgsym question I had above ^^ - just to be sure it is no real thing | 11:04 |
| ahasenack | cpaelzer: sorry, I don't see the question in my history, my irc proxy must have been down | 11:05 |
| rbasak | They end up on ddebs I think? | 11:13 |
| rbasak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages | 11:13 |
| rbasak | libopts25-dbgsym isn't published in Zesty either. | 11:13 |
| rbasak | You have to add the ddebs repo to get it | 11:14 |
| ahasenack | rbasak: do you know if I have perms to use bileto now? I would like to run the ocfs2-tools dep8 tests there. I can upload that particular package to the archive, if that matters | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | bileto ain't going to get very far for a while (see topic) | 11:28 |
| ahasenack | I see | 11:28 |
| ahasenack | does that include ppas? | 11:28 |
| cjwatson | yes | 11:28 |
| ahasenack | ok | 11:29 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: I have the repo in bionic | 11:32 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: and I get other bionic ddebs just fine | 11:32 |
| rbasak | cpaelzer: ah, so it's a missing ddeb? | 11:33 |
| rbasak | ISTR some kind of publication problem for ddebs a while back. | 11:33 |
| rbasak | Where some ddebs were lost or something. | 11:33 |
| rbasak | I wonder if it's that. | 11:33 |
| cpaelzer | they are still avail on the LP link I had above | 11:33 |
| cpaelzer | let me check if it would have worked in zesty itself | 11:34 |
| cpaelzer | yep working just fine in zesty | 11:35 |
| cpaelzer | I'll sping up a few contianers and make an overview a) to be sure and b) to outline the issue better | 11:35 |
| cpaelzer | rbasak: ok - it works now on all releases I tested not only zesty | 11:40 |
| cpaelzer | checking the sys I originally had the issue now ... | 11:40 |
| doko | apw, xnox: about 1521174, who should be the bug subscriber? | 12:37 |
| xnox | doko, updates will be published in the upstream linux-firmware repository from now on. Not sure if it makes sense to have this package stand-alone or be folded into linux-firmware | 12:45 |
| xnox | doko, foundations or kernel. | 12:45 |
| xnox | either or both will do | 12:45 |
| xnox | subscribed foundations bugs | 12:46 |
| jbicha | LocutusOfBorg: I don't know anything about the current status of the ayatana stuff in Ubuntu, ask sunweaver or flexiondotorg | 12:55 |
| apw | bug #1521174 | 13:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1521174 in amd "[MIR] amd64-microcode (multiverse -> main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1521174 | 13:01 |
| pavlix | pitti: HI! | 14:49 |
| pitti | hey pavlix, how are you? :-) | 14:49 |
| pavlix | pitti: I quit Red Hat at the end of April and went freelance. I moved back to Prague in August. And I started a short term contract on network configuration in September. What do you think? :) | 14:52 |
| pitti | pavlix: sounds great, good luck with it! certainly a lot more effort to look for customers yourself, but also exciting :) | 14:54 |
| pavlix | pitti: I actually had to postpone the search for customers as I was already in contact with more than I can handle simultneously. | 14:55 |
| pavlix | pitti: Sounds like this wans't a bad time to get back to the market after five years. | 15:00 |
| pavlix | pitti: Anyway, I heard Ubuntu has some news regarding network management. | 15:01 |
| pitti | pavlix: right, it's using netplan by default now, to replace ifupdown with networkd | 15:04 |
| pitti | and allow a more common config between that and NM from cloud configs, etc. | 15:04 |
| pavlix | pitti: When we're at it, unification and progress is exactly the area I'm attacking now. | 15:05 |
| pavlix | pitti: Debian is keeping ifupdown forever? | 15:07 |
| pitti | pavlix: not sure, but it's certainly not pushing strongly away from it | 15:09 |
| pavlix | pitti: What is the main motivation for networkd? | 15:09 |
| pitti | it had been unmaintained for a while, but now Guus took it over and he is pretty active | 15:09 |
| pavlix | pitti: As networkd is a half-baked and hacky solution. | 15:10 |
| pitti | pavlix: it's a lot simpler and more robust than ifupdown, supports real hotplugging, more types of virtual devices OOTB | 15:10 |
| pitti | well, ifupdown is doubly (or more) that :) | 15:11 |
| pavlix | pitti: I used ifupdown for ages and used all the scripting features there. I'm afraid networkd has close to no scripting features now. | 15:12 |
| pitti | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-y-network-yaml links to the full specification and use case analysis, but it's Canonical-internal (so I can't access it either any more) | 15:12 |
| pitti | pavlix: well, it's not going away, just not used by default any more | 15:12 |
| pitti | also, these scripting facilities got abused a lot and were the source of many bugs and race conditions | 15:13 |
| pavlix | pitti: Everything can be abused. That's not the best reason to avoid it. | 15:15 |
| pitti | but a good reason to replace it with something more robust that avoids the races :) | 15:19 |
| pitti | as said, this is fine for the vast majority of use cases, like pretty much every cloud/virtual image; desktops use NM; and for the remaining 1% of use cases you can pick whatever tool you need | 15:20 |
| pitti | it's an opinionated default, nothing more | 15:20 |
| pavlix | pitti: Sure. | 15:21 |
| pavlix | pitti: Anyway I have a plan to automate testing a bit with kernel namespaces and test the network services that way. | 15:27 |
| xnox | pavlix, do checkout networking-test.py in systemd tree; and the intergration test-suite in netplan. | 15:27 |
| xnox | pavlix, the netplan integration tests a lot of networkd and network-manager.... which does uncover how unreliable network-manager is =/ | 15:28 |
| xnox | pavlix, more networking setups and more networking tests is always needed, because it's really under-tested. | 15:28 |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| bdmurray | jbicha: So I should reject both evolution and e-d-s since there will be a new version shortly? | 17:30 |
| jbicha | bdmurray: that sounds good | 17:44 |
| bdmurray | mvo, ogra_: Could somebody respond to my comment on bug 1623125? | 17:58 |
| ubottu | bug 1623125 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Xenial) "fixrtc script does not catch "Last mount time: n/a" string" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623125 | 17:58 |
| rbasak | smoser: what if we said that from Bionic onwards, cloud-init will default to manage_etc_hosts: localhost. What would that break? | 18:11 |
| rbasak | In addition, we declare that on Ubuntu, the responsibility to do the right thing lies with either the installer (for non-cloud), or cloud-init (for cloud). | 18:12 |
| rbasak | That would leave lxd the responsibility only when using a stgraber image, I think. | 18:12 |
| stgraber | rbasak: images:ubuntu/series/arch already templates /etc/hosts (and I do that for all distros we build images for) | 18:13 |
| stgraber | it's just with the images that use cloud-init that we don't mess with any of those files :) | 18:14 |
| rbasak | stgraber: oh? How does lxd know to apply templates? | 18:14 |
| rbasak | Is there metadata in the image or something? | 18:14 |
| stgraber | oh, except we do /etc/hostname even in the cloud-init ones these days due to the dhclient race IIRC | 18:14 |
| stgraber | rbasak: the metadata tarball contains a yaml doc that lists all the templates to run and when to run them | 18:15 |
| rbasak | I see. Nice! | 18:15 |
| rbasak | smoser: so my proposed solution works universally then I think? | 18:15 |
| rbasak | Treat lxd as an "installer" when using non-cloud. | 18:15 |
| smoser | rbasak: it would break the case where something expects hostname --fqdn to do something meaningful | 18:17 |
| smoser | which is a flawed expectation to be sure | 18:18 |
| rbasak | smoser: doesn't manage_etc_hosts: localhost *fix* "hostname -f" to return the specified FQDN? | 18:21 |
| rbasak | Unless the name supplied to cloud-init is bad, that is, but DNS had it right. | 18:21 |
| rbasak | In which case, isn't that a horribly broken cloud? | 18:21 |
| smoser | sorry, i think i mispoke. i think | 18:22 |
| smoser | its more | 18:22 |
| smoser | $ hostname --ip-address | 18:22 |
| smoser | 127.0.1.1 | 18:22 |
| smoser | some programs (i can't find the reference, but in my head it tends to be java/tomcat, but probably other things) | 18:23 |
| smoser | try to figure out "how can someone communicate with me" | 18:23 |
| smoser | and do so by looking up their hostname in dns | 18:23 |
| smoser | and then publishing that. | 18:23 |
| smoser | and when there is 127. address in /etc/hosts, that clearly is busted. | 18:23 |
| smoser | that is also very clearly broken assumptions and simplistic view of the world | 18:24 |
| smoser | i think i'm ok to do that though. | 18:25 |
| rbasak | I see | 18:25 |
| rbasak | I agree that it seems an appropriate thing to break in order to fix the general problem. | 18:26 |
| rbasak | (only in a new release of course) | 18:27 |
| pavlix | xnox: I know pretty well about reliability of NetworkManager and did quite some work to improve it but was unfortunately not able to continue. | 19:08 |
| pavlix | xnox: My special interest is in specialized tests... | 19:09 |
| pavlix | xnox: Nice to meet you, by the way. | 19:11 |
| mitya57 | I get 500 internal server error when trying to retry autopkgtests, is that a known issue? | 19:15 |
| mitya57 | URL is http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=bionic&arch=s390x&package=python-ruffus&trigger=mathjax/2.7.2%2Bdfsg-1&trigger=sphinx/1.6.5-4 | 19:15 |
| pavlix | Son_Goku: You're everywhere. :) | 19:21 |
| pavlix | Son_Goku: I came here to visit pitti. | 19:22 |
| nacc | mitya57: i'm just guessing it might be due to /topic | 19:22 |
| Son_Goku | heh | 19:22 |
| Son_Goku | you know he's also in #cockpit | 19:22 |
| mitya57 | nacc: not sure if autopkgtests are related to the buildd farm anyhow, but will try later, thanks | 19:23 |
| pavlix | Son_Goku: Yep, I do, he answered my e-mail. | 19:28 |
| dexterfoo | I found a bug in the apparmor profile of the inspircd package written by lamont jones. It doesn't allow connecting to(opening) any sqlite database files. This makes the included inspircd "m_sqlite3.so" module broken and useless | 20:20 |
| nacc | !bug | dexterfoo | 20:21 |
| ubottu | dexterfoo: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination. | 20:21 |
| sarnold | dexterfoo: woot | 20:21 |
| sarnold | dexterfoo: where's the profile for that live? in the package or somewhere else? | 20:21 |
| dexterfoo | sarnold: in the package | 20:21 |
| dexterfoo | https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/amd64/inspircd/filelist | 20:22 |
| sarnold | dexterfoo: sweet, as nacc points out, a bug report might be best, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inspircd/+filebug | 20:22 |
| dexterfoo | ok thanks | 20:23 |
| lamont | dexterfoo: I think I missed a lot of things when I wrote that apparmor profile, tbf. bugs welcome | 20:58 |
| dexterfoo | lamont: cool. i'm not sure what the proper fix is to allow access to arbitrary sqlite files. but maybe just allow access to sqlite files in the /etc/inspircd/ directory. (The profile already allows reading all files in that directory, but for sqlite to work, it needs "k" permission in addition to "r" permission) | 21:03 |
| xnox | pavlix, hehehe well in that case you are all set i guess! | 23:59 |
| xnox | pavlix, i'm just a minion. | 23:59 |
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