[02:36] <jakewrong> anyone know where to find info about ubuntu patches for mitigating todays kernel vulns?
[02:36] <jakewrong> or is there a ppa to install a kernel with the patches already there?
[02:54] <PilotBob42> howdy howdy
[02:55] <noahwheeler> Hey pilot bob
[02:55] <PilotBob42> any progress?
[02:55] <noahwheeler> I was wondering about you
[02:55] <noahwheeler> Yes
[02:56] <noahwheeler> I was able to setup the hotspot after talking with Tmobile
[02:56] <noahwheeler> Onto the Mate OS
[02:56] <noahwheeler> But I still have a million problems
[02:57] <PilotBob42> the laptop and pi are talking though on the hotspot?
[02:57] <noahwheeler> #1 I switched the ttySo - to serial 1 , and the ttyAMA0 to serial 0
[02:58] <noahwheeler> No
[02:59] <noahwheeler> I can switch the wi-fi from home to hotspot
[02:59] <noahwheeler> but only communicate with the pi on the home wi-fi?
[02:59] <PilotBob42> well. yeah.
[03:00] <noahwheeler> the hotspot changes the ip adress on the pi and is so far inaccesable
[03:00] <noahwheeler> ???
[03:01] <PilotBob42> well yeah.
[03:01] <noahwheeler> I can remote desktop to pi with home wi-fi only .
[03:01] <noahwheeler> no ssh
[03:01] <PilotBob42> each SSID you connect to will give the pi a different address.
[03:01] <PilotBob42> You need to be able to know the IP at the time it's connected to the hotspot.
[03:02] <noahwheeler> okay that is what happened here ! yes the ip is 192.168.43.98
[03:03] <noahwheeler> but I can't remote to the desktop with the ip ???
[03:03] <noahwheeler> or ssh ?
[03:03] <noahwheeler> or ssh with the phone
[03:05] <noahwheeler> when connected to the home wi-fi the ip is 10.0.0.101 can connect everytime remote desktop , and acces my samba files but no ssh ?
[03:05] <PilotBob42> Well, like I said yesterday, the hotspot might not even allow that sort of collateral traffic from two devices attached to it.
[03:06] <noahwheeler> But there is only ever one device attached
[03:06] <noahwheeler> either the phone , or the pc
[03:06] <noahwheeler> never two at one time
[03:07] <noahwheeler> oh I see what you are saying now !!!
[03:07] <PilotBob42> and the Pi.
[03:08] <noahwheeler> so if I hotspot ! I can't ssh with the pc
[03:08] <noahwheeler> I get it unless I root the phone
[03:08] <PilotBob42> well... maybe...
[03:09] <PilotBob42> if the phone is the hotspot then it has to route the ssh traffic from the PC/laptop to the Pi
[03:09] <PilotBob42> And I'm doubting the phones firmware is allowing that traffic to past
[03:09] <noahwheeler> I thought if the pi used the hotspot for the connection it would act as it does with the pc connection  , but the hotspot connection is not the same ?
[03:11] <noahwheeler> Well I talked to Tmobile and they said I should have no problem with this there is no encryption
[03:11] <PilotBob42> ok good, then you just need to figure out what IP the Pi gets when it connects to the hotspot.
[03:12] <noahwheeler> it has to be a networking thing ???
[03:12] <PilotBob42> and that is the one you use from your laptop when away from home
[03:12] <noahwheeler> or at home right ?
[03:13] <noahwheeler> the wlan0 address is 192.168.43.98 but I can't connect to it with the desktop ? I don't know why ?
[03:13] <PilotBob42> No, the Pi will get a different IP for each wireless network it attached too.
[03:14] <PilotBob42> Have you checked that while it's connected to the hotspot?
[03:15] <PilotBob42> Ok, you know how when you set up a new wifi connection in Windows it asks you if it's home, work or public right?
[03:16] <PilotBob42> If you say public (and probably work) then then the devices connected laterally to the same wifi won't be able to talk to each other. It's a security thing to keep you safe
[03:17] <PilotBob42> Either the Pi or the laptop (or both) are doing something like that when you are on your phone's hotspot.
[03:23] <PilotBob42> hmm...
[03:25] <PilotBob42> Anybody here have experience getting EDID to work with the NouVeau or Nvidia drivers?
[03:26] <PilotBob42> hey there, where did I lose you?
[03:26] <noahwheeler> I bet I lost you and have been typing to noone for a long time because I switched to the hotspot
[03:26] <PilotBob42> lol
[03:26] <noahwheeler> so I could get you the adress
[03:26] <PilotBob42> I was saying (and I really think this is your issue):
[03:27] <PilotBob42> you know how when you set up a new wifi connection in Windows it asks you if it's home, work or public right?
[03:27] <noahwheeler> so back to it
[03:27] <PilotBob42> If you say public (and probably work) then then the devices connected laterally to the same wifi won't be able to talk to each other. It's a security thing to keep you safe
[03:27] <PilotBob42> Either the Pi or the laptop (or both) are doing something like that when you are on your phone's hotspot.
[03:27] <noahwheeler>  the hotspot adress is the 192.168.43.98 , or .43.1
[03:28] <noahwheeler> okay
[03:29] <noahwheeler> How do I fix it so all are the same ?
[03:29] <PilotBob42> Well, I'm gonna trust that Tmobile told you the truth and they aren't blocking the traffic, so that would leave either the Pi or the laptop thinking it's connected to a public wifi and fire-walling your attempts to talk laterally.
[03:29] <noahwheeler> I can switch it in windows
[03:29] <PilotBob42> The laptop is windows right?
[03:30] <noahwheeler> yes
[03:30] <noahwheeler> win 10
[03:30] <PilotBob42> that's the easier one to check first
[03:30] <noahwheeler> It's actually a gaming desktop I built
[03:31] <noahwheeler> with a 4770 intel core i7
[03:31] <PilotBob42> If you right click the wifi in the system tray and choose "Open Network and Internet setting"...
[03:31] <noahwheeler> It's perfect for this project
[03:32] <noahwheeler> okay
[03:32] <noahwheeler> is set to private
[03:32] <PilotBob42> You'll see "network status" and three icons below it representing the laptop the wifi and the internet...
[03:33] <PilotBob42> ah, good...
[03:33] <noahwheeler> set as metered connection is off
[03:34] <PilotBob42> can you ping the pi from the command line while both are on the hotspot?
[03:35] <noahwheeler> I'm not a computer programmer ! I can try but if I switch to hotspot I will lose the connection here again
[03:36] <PilotBob42> didn't you say you had a laptop too? you can't take your desktop into the field...
[03:36] <noahwheeler> okay so pc , and pi are on the hotspot at the same time ? correct ?
[03:36] <PilotBob42> How are you getting here? on the Pi or the PC?
[03:37] <noahwheeler> I have an Ubuntu 17.10 laptop but I havn't got it involved yet just the phone , and the pi , and the desktop
[03:37] <noahwheeler> I'm here on the Pi
[03:38] <noahwheeler> this is the pi
[03:38] <noahwheeler> actually with monitor , keyboard, and mouse
[03:38] <PilotBob42> So the Pi and the PC can talk to each other when on your home wifi, right?
[03:38] <noahwheeler> connected to the drone on battery power
[03:38] <PilotBob42> which is what you are on right now, right?
[03:39] <noahwheeler> yes
[03:39] <noahwheeler> only the pi right now !!!! I can remote desktop to the pi on this wi-fi though
[03:40] <PilotBob42> I need to know if it says "private" when you have the Pi and PC on the phone hotspot... If it says "public" or "work" while you have everything connected to the hotspot then that's probably your problem.
[03:41] <noahwheeler> okay I will be back shortly
[03:47] <noahwheeler> It's set to private on the pc and personal on the pi
[03:48] <PilotBob42> hmm... did you make note of the IPs of each while on the hotspot?
[03:50] <noahwheeler> the IPV4 adress for the desktop while on the hotspot is !!!
[03:50] <noahwheeler>  ready ?192.168.43.243
[03:51] <PilotBob42> cool and the Pi?
[03:51] <noahwheeler> the ip for the pi is 192.168.43.98
[03:52] <PilotBob42> Ok, so while both are connected to the hotspot, from the PC try "ping 192.168.43.98"
[03:52] <PilotBob42> And from the Pi try "ping 192.168.43.243"
[03:52] <PilotBob42> do these from the command line on each.
[03:53] <PilotBob42> And not the results...
[03:53] <PilotBob42> *note the results
[03:53] <noahwheeler> Okay I'm gonna lose you again I'll be back ! So I go to command promp and i ???
[03:53] <PilotBob42> yup, command prompt on each
[03:54] <PilotBob42> type the command as I put them in quotes (for each machine respectively)
[03:54] <noahwheeler> just type ping 192 ?
[03:54] <noahwheeler> okay
[03:54] <PilotBob42> PC: "ping 192.168.43.98"
[03:54] <PilotBob42> Pi: "ping 192.168.43.243"
[03:55] <noahwheeler> okay got it
[03:55] <noahwheeler> be back shortly
[03:55] <PilotBob42> roger
[04:00] <PilotBob42> what did ya get?
[04:01] <noahwheeler> not so good results !
[04:01] <PilotBob42> nothing but timeouts?
[04:01] <noahwheeler> from windows sent=4 recieved=1 lost=3
[04:02] <noahwheeler> (75%loss)
[04:02] <noahwheeler> From Pi to windows 100% loss
[04:02] <PilotBob42> oh wow, that was unexpected. I figured it would either be 0% or 100% both ways.
[04:03] <noahwheeler> Destination host unreachable
[04:03] <PilotBob42> well, you definetely have a network issue going here.
[04:03] <PilotBob42> Either can't reach other or one or the other is deliberately blocking the traffic.
[04:04] <noahwheeler> HMM
[04:04] <noahwheeler> should I call Tmobile ?
[04:04] <noahwheeler> Or Root the phone ?
[04:05] <PilotBob42> well, I will say this. I wouldn't bother putting to much effort into troubleshooting this with the desktop if that is not the device you are going to be using in the field. I would try this with that Ubuntu laptop you mentioned as that is what really needs to work.
[04:05] <PilotBob42> well, if Tmobile said they aren't blocking traffic in the phone then I would say trust that they are correct (so no need to root phone).
[04:08] <noahwheeler> Okay so I need to start to program the laptop with the pi and figure on bringing it along for the field trip which is fine ! I was hoping just to hotspot with the phone and ssh with the phone to the pi and run the programm ???
[04:09] <PilotBob42> I'd fire up that laptop, connect both it and the Pi to the hotspot. record the IPs and try the whole ping experiment again (with the new IPs). Cumbersome I know, but it's important to realize that your hotspot will probably give each a new IP quite frequently. So even if it works you need to get used to checking the IPs every time.
[04:10] <PilotBob42> Well, nothing says you can't try it all from the comfort of your home, just use the hotspot and not the home wifi (and the laptop and not your PC).
[04:13] <noahwheeler> Okay Pilotbob42 I'm going to fire up the Dell latitude E6400 running Ubuntu 17.10 , and make all the connections , and see what happens I will ping the adresses , and get back to you tomorrow , and let you know the results ... Tomorrow is going to be below zero here so I will do this , and get some rest for the chilling work day I will return tomorrow ... see you then
[04:14] <PilotBob42> ok, good luck! I do think we've narrowed it down to a network issue. Hoping if it's linux to linux you'll get the result you're looking for. hope to cacth you tomorrow with good news.
[04:15] <noahwheeler> Heck yeah !! see you tomorrow over , and out ...
[07:17] <dantec> helloooo
[07:17] <dantec> it took me 4 hours to find an OS that would work on an old laptop of mine
[07:18] <dantec> And This one finally worked... Mint, Ubuntu and Fedora all didn't work
[08:03] <mizzu> hi guys can i know how to cascade what i opened in the button menu bar
[16:08] <Joe43SC> Hola
[16:08] <diogenes_> hola
[18:28] <qwerty_> opi;o;o
[18:29] <qwerty_> heeey
[18:29] <qwerty_> ,jj
[20:33] <Faults> Why in earth VirtualBox is freezing Global menu? Any ideas?
[21:37] <guest-cem7ps> hey
[21:37] <guest-cem7ps> I would like some help
[21:41] <xubuntu71w> interesting
[21:42] <guest-cem7ps> I am using ubuntu mate skipped first installation and now I can not install the system, I am only running it via live session
[21:42] <guest-cem7ps> And I can not find the option to install once session is opened!
[21:42] <guest-cem7ps> Using it on raspberry pi 3 B
[21:42] <guest-cem7ps> Any idea?
[21:47] <diogenes_> guest-cem7ps, what do you mean "skipped first installation"?
[22:15] <guest-ozh3en> Hey! Me again. I meant I closed the installation
[22:17] <guest-ozh3en> and booted system
[22:22] <diogenes_> then reboot again and it should be the way it was when you first booted.
[22:22] <guest-ozh3en> no
[22:23] <guest-ozh3en> it only opens live boot
[22:23] <guest-ozh3en> I have tried this
[22:23] <diogenes_> ok then in live boot should be the installer
[22:24] <guest-ozh3en> where? I ve searched here
[22:24] <guest-ozh3en> but did not find
[22:24] <diogenes_> you searched where?
[22:25] <guest-ozh3en> on live session, as you said
[22:25] <guest-ozh3en> Could not find installer....
[22:25] <diogenes_> but did you search in the menu?
[22:25] <guest-ozh3en> yeah
[22:26] <diogenes_> ok open a terminal
[22:26] <guest-ozh3en> done
[22:26] <diogenes_> run: ls /usr/bin | grep inst
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> output
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> desktop-file-install
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> dh_installxmlcatalogs
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> easy_install
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> easy_install3
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> ginstall-info
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> gst-install
[22:28] <guest-ozh3en> gstreamer-codec-install
[22:29] <guest-ozh3en> ideviceinstaller
[22:29] <guest-ozh3en> install
[22:29] <guest-ozh3en> install-info
[22:29] <guest-ozh3en> install-printerdriver
[22:29] <guest-ozh3en> instmodsh
[22:29] <guest-ozh3en> session-installer
[22:30] <diogenes_> maybe run: sudo -s install
[22:32] <guest-ozh3en> don t know pass
[22:32] <guest-ozh3en> sudo pass
[22:32] <diogenes_> no password
[22:32] <guest-ozh3en> is there a default for live session?
[22:32] <diogenes_> just enter
[22:32] <guest-ozh3en> sorry, try again
[22:32] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:32] <guest-ozh3en> Sorry, try again.
[22:32] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:34] <diogenes_> try su or sudo no clue, live should no have pswd
[22:35] <guest-ozh3en> guest-ozh3en@ubuntu-mate:~$ su -s install
[22:35] <guest-ozh3en> Password:
[22:35] <guest-ozh3en> su: Authentication failure
[22:36] <guest-ozh3en> guest-ozh3en@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo -s install
[22:36] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:36] <guest-ozh3en> Sorry, try again.
[22:36] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:36] <guest-ozh3en> Sorry, try again.
[22:36] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:36] <guest-ozh3en> sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts
[22:36] <diogenes_> try linux, ubuntu, mate, ubuntu-mate
[22:37] <guest-ozh3en> none
[22:38] <guest-ozh3en> ubuntu mate site would not have some clue?
[22:38] <diogenes_> sudo -i
[22:38] <diogenes_> try
[22:40] <guest-ozh3en> guest-ozh3en@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo -i
[22:40] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:40] <guest-ozh3en> Sorry, try again.
[22:40] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:40] <guest-ozh3en> i ve tried sudo su too
[22:40] <guest-ozh3en> same shit
[22:40] <diogenes_> I mean sudo -i install and enteer
[22:42] <guest-ozh3en> sudo -i install
[22:42] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:42] <diogenes_> enter
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> guest-ozh3en@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo -i install
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> Sorry, try again.
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en
[22:43] <diogenes_> ok press ctrl+alt+F1-6 just type ubuntu-mate and hit enter twice
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> sudo -i install
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> Sorry, try again.
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> Sorry, try again.
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> [sudo] password for guest-ozh3en:
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts
[22:43] <guest-ozh3en> guest-ozh3en@ubuntu-mate:~$
[22:43] <diogenes_> ^^
[22:43] <diogenes_> look up
[22:44] <guest-ozh3en> fuck, my keyboard does not contain F1 - F6
[22:44] <guest-ozh3en> Using a BT one
[22:44] <diogenes_> i meant f1
[22:44] <guest-ozh3en> I know
[22:45] <diogenes_> ok you might try burning the pendrive again
[22:49] <guest-ozh3en> or maybe login with ubuntu-mate user on grpical
[22:49] <guest-ozh3en> graphical interface
[22:49] <guest-ozh3en> I ve seen here at forum
[22:49] <guest-ozh3en> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2367455&page=2
[22:50] <guest-ozh3en> gonna try this, bye
[22:50] <diogenes_> ok