[00:00] <cando> Hello all... Trying to setup a server and not able to update unless im using dhcp
[00:00] <cando> when i use static ip it errors out
[00:03] <cando> Anyone have an idea whats going on
[00:05] <codio> Hey
[00:06] <codio> I have ubuntu 16
[00:06] <cando> im running 16.04.3 unable to update unless im using dhcp
[00:07] <codio> I have 16.17 i think
[00:08] <codio> I have only shit in ubuntu
[00:08] <codio> I can reinstall if i want to upgrade
[00:08] <bazhang> codio, no cursing here
[00:08] <codio> But i dont want fo
[00:08] <codio> To
[00:09] <cando> Catch me up
[00:09] <codio> bazhang, no crying here
[00:09] <[n0mad]> 16.17 is not a version
[00:09] <codio> I dont remember the exact version
[00:09] <bazhang> codio, lets stay topical and civil here, there is not a 16.17
[00:10] <cando> Do you know if it LTS or not
[00:10] <codio> bazhang: crying is off-topic fyi
[00:10] <codio> cando: no and i dont care
[00:10] <bazhang> cando, LTS is 16.04, yes
[00:10] <cando> yes
[00:11] <cando> is it a late verson then that
[00:11] <codio> Last version is 19
[00:11] <codio> Were 3 step backward
[00:11] <tatertots> codio: you will need to be able to manually manage a tcp/ip network if you believe you have graduated using the cheap consumer router dhcp
[00:11] <bazhang> codio, thats not correct, did you have an actual ubuntu support issue here
[00:11] <tatertots> else you may  not have graduated
[00:11] <codio> tatertots: who cares?
[00:12] <codio> I dont want to upgrade
[00:12] <codio> bazhang: no
[00:12] <codio> I just wanted to let you know i still have 16
[00:12] <bazhang> codio, then please take the chatter to another place
[00:13] <codio> bazhang: im getting angry
[00:13] <codio> so, stop crying!
[00:13] <Zaliek> Do you have a question?
[00:13] <codio> No
[00:13] <tatertots> codio do you actually have a real ubuntu issue?
[00:13] <codio> No
[00:13] <cando> Here is a question. I am setting up a server that work correctly on dhcp | once I set it to static it errors when i try to update
[00:14] <codio> 1:12 am <codio> I just wanted to let you know i still have 16
[00:14] <tatertots> cando:  you will need to be able to manually manage a tcp/ip network if you believe you have graduated using the cheap consumer router dhcp
[00:15] <Zaliek> cando: when you set a static IP can you do stuff like ping ubuntu.com?
[00:15] <Zaliek> Or domain of your choice
[00:15] <Zaliek> If you can't you set it up incorrectly and DNS is not functioning
[00:16] <codio> Dr dre motherfucker!
[00:16] <Zaliek> esp if you can ping ips directly but get a lookup error when pinging domains
[00:16] <Zaliek> I've had similar problems before with that
[00:16] <tatertots> cando: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[00:17] <cando> unable to do that
[00:17] <cando> no
[00:17] <ImageJPEG> Any reason why bind won't listen to ipv6 addresses? I've tried these in my named.conf.options:
[00:17] <ImageJPEG> listen-on-v6 { any; }; and listen-on-v6 { *ip address*; };
[00:17] <tatertots> oh okay...well good luck with that
[00:17] <ImageJPEG> Not together though
[00:17] <Zaliek> Did you setup the static ip during installation or afterwards?
[00:17] <cando> after
[00:18] <Zaliek> Can you ping your gateway address?
[00:18] <Zaliek> Can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[00:19] <tatertots> internet not working?
[00:19] <tatertots> lol
[00:19] <cando> i usually use 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 but thats not working
[00:20] <Zaliek> I know, but does pinging ips work and domain names not?
[00:20] <cando> ping 8.8.8.8 works
[00:20] <Zaliek> Trying to figure out which thing is broken
[00:20] <Zaliek> Okay so your DNS settings aren't set right
[00:21] <Zaliek> In the past when I tried to switch between using DHCP to static post install had problems getting DNS settings to acutally stick
[00:22] <cando> im using dns-nameserver 208.067.222.222
[00:22] <cando> there are a few quirks now after 15.04 i find
[00:22] <Zaliek> Nowadays I always do that during install. I'd suggest looking up how the new systemd based DNS works
[00:23] <Zaliek> That was introduced in 16.04 right?
[00:25] <cando> so this isnt a matter of me having the interface file done wrong
[00:26] <nfsnobody> hi all. I updated my nvidia card drivers and my xubuntu 17.10 install is now failing to boot - normal boot just goes to a blank screen (even with nomodeset). I can however log into recovery with networking and get a root shell up. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
[00:26] <tatertots> definitively user error
[00:26] <nfsnobody>  should note I attemped to uninstall nvidia drivers and reinstall 340/reinstall nouveau packages, to no effect
[00:27] <tatertots> cando: that's why when you let the router/dhcp do the "thinking" ...."it works"....and when the human in the mirror is burdened with that "responsibility"....it does NOT work
[00:27] <tatertots> sorry if honesty and truth is frowned upon in todays climate
[00:28] <tatertots> i apologize ...kinda sorta
[00:28] <cando> hey, the truth is the thruth. if you cant handle it put your head in te sand
[00:29] <Zaliek> yeah cando you have your ip setup correctly, but changing from DHCP DNS to static DNS is rather tricky in debian variants
[00:29] <cando> first time this has happened
[00:31] <Zaliek> If I was in your position I'd just reinstall in expert mode and set the static ip and DNS there instead. I never bothered to figure out what it does different but hey it works
[00:31] <Zaliek> you got me curious thou, examining one of my installs now
[00:32] <cando> knew that was where you were heading
[00:34] <cando> whith out making ppl here upset is it ok if i ask an apache question
[00:34] <bazhang> cando, why not #httpd
[00:35] <axiomaabsurdo> Hi all, someone can give me some support with a icon theme problem, ubuntu 16.04 Flat-remix don't display the icon theme in right way
[00:36] <cando> ok, see why i asked
[00:37] <Zaliek> cando, assuming you set static ip by changing /etc/network/interfaces?
[00:38] <cando> yes i did
[00:38] <Mark___> Hi there I wanted to find out if anyone knows of some kind of ubuntu dns firewall solution that will allow me to monitor bandwidth usage, block specific websites, and redirect certain domains?
[00:38] <Zaliek> And dns is set like "dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4"
[00:40] <cando> yes ... thats whats strange
[00:40] <Zaliek> according to the documentation that's the right place
[00:41] <cando> That hasnt change for 15 years now
[00:41] <Zaliek> what does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" currently say?
[00:41] <Krennic> \37
[00:41] <Zaliek> Does it match your settings or is it set differently?
[00:41] <cando> redoing the server as we speak
[00:42] <Zaliek> I feel like when it's configured to use dhcp it starts some process that is constantly overwriting you static dns settings
[00:42] <Zaliek> Never been able to figure what that is
[00:42] <cando> ya thats what it looks like to me also... but why...
[00:44] <gg> running ubuntu on virtualbox from external hardrive. Wifi adapter cannot be recognized.  Anyone had similar problem?
[00:44] <Zaliek> Well I hope a reinstall with manual network config solves it for you
[00:45] <axiomaabsurdo> Hi all, someone can give me some support with a icon theme problem, ubuntu 16.04 Flat-remix don't display the icon theme in right way???
[00:51] <cando> ill tell you in a few minutes
[00:51] <kenrin> Is the theme icon wrong?  How is it displaying not in "the right way" ?
 hi, well if i select the pack in Unity Tweak Tool the icons in all my desktop are the default theme
 the flat-remix-master icon pack, copy it to the folder that I understand is correct, / usr / share / icons
[00:56] <kenrin> Yeah,  or .icons in home folder
[00:56] <axiomaabsurdo> let me see...
[00:56] <kenrin> Then gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme "Flat Remix" or so
[00:58] <axiomaabsurdo> in my home folder i don't have a .icons folder}
[00:58] <bmomjian> I am back.  I tested Windows 8 and that doesn't see the wifi working at all either.  It says it is in airplane mode, in a way that simulated the switch being off, but it is on.  I tested this on another identical laptop.
[00:59] <bmomjian> So it looks like a hardware issue.  Thanks for the debug help but I don't think this is an Ubuntu problem anymore.
[00:59] <kenrin> make the .icons./flat-remix-master  or whatever you want to name the dir,  just make sure the dir name matches the icon-theme name
[01:00] <axiomaabsurdo> ok sure i'm will do
 its done
[01:02] <axiomaabsurdo> the two folders
[01:02] <kenrin> Ok,  I mistyped an extra . at the end of icons I hope you didn't make
[01:02] <axiomaabsurdo> incons and inside flat-remix-master
[01:02] <kenrin> Should be able to select in the tweak tool or use the gsettings set then
[01:03] <axiomaabsurdo> ok i supouse that
[01:03] <axiomaabsurdo> let me see
 i'm still geting the same effect, when i select this pack flat-remix-master from the list, the icons change for a defout icon theme
[01:05] <luxio> I have two monitors, one portrait and one landscape. The landscape is my primary monitor, but when I power on my computer, the login screen always appears on the portrait one, even though it's not my primary monitor. Is there a fix to this?
[01:07] <axiomaabsurdo> i'm trying to get this icon pack style https://www.devpy.me/content/images/2016/05/xScreenshot-from-2016-05-30-20-48-10-1.png.pagespeed.ic.Jzu1fPtWi8.png but i'm get the default linux brown icon pack
[01:07] <TJ-> luxio: that'll be because the system is using what it finds is the first (primary) output of the GPU
[01:08] <TJ-> luxio: are both monitors external? one is not an integrated screen?
[01:08] <kenrin> The .icons folder you made have the right permissions for your user?  I can't think of anything else that would conflict
 the new one?
[01:10] <kenrin> Yeah
[01:10] <axiomaabsurdo> mmm, let me see
[01:10] <kenrin> If that isn't it maybe you could get more help in ##linux.  Installing themes should be pretty simple
[01:11] <axiomaabsurdo> i'm the admin of my pc, i have only one user in this PC, but some folders owns to root and others to my user
[01:12] <luxio> TJ-: both are external
[01:12] <luxio> one is connected with displayport, one with HDMI, if that matters
[01:12] <luxio> i'm using a gtx 750ti
 sorry for the stupíd question but the new folder must have the .png icon file inside?
[01:13] <axiomaabsurdo> or is only a reference for the Tweak Tool?
[01:15] <kenrin> I'm not sure where they are in the dir structure.  There should be folders like actions, animations, apps, categories,  devices, etc etc
[01:15] <TJ-> luxio: which output/connector is being at boot time, the D.P. ?
[01:16] <kenrin> axiomaabsurdo: Looks like they are all .svg files.  Not png
 well, still geting the same, but new a know something new and can go search for permissions, thank you for all and for your time
[01:19] <kenrin> If you got it from github you only need one of the three folders under flat-remix-master under the .icons/
[01:20] <kenrin> Either the regular,  light, or dark
[01:21] <axiomaabsurdo> Well, I'm going to copy one of them to try that folder
[01:21] <luxio> TJ-: dp
[01:24] <rawdog1984> ok
[01:24] <TJ-> luxio: You can probably adapt my approach.  I have a shell script triggered by a setting in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01-monitor-rotation.conf  see  http://paste.ubuntu.com/26322747/
 Yes i'm do it jejeje
[01:25] <axiomaabsurdo> like a big noob man jajaja
[01:25] <axiomaabsurdo> thanks
[01:26] <TJ-> luxio: my script is rotating and positioning the HDMI-1 device to the right and in portrait orientation; you should be able to adapt it for what you need
[01:26] <luxio> wouldn't it be easier just to switch the two cables
[01:26] <kenrin> Its cool.  I don't mess with themes so I didn't see the dirs until I downloaded it that there was three of them
[01:26] <TJ-> luxio: if your config supports that, yes
[01:26] <TJ-> luxio: I'd assumed you were here since you couldn't do that
 thanks again for your time and for your help
[01:30] <python> zxcsdv
[01:31] <rawdog1984> uh huh
[01:32] <axiomaabsurdo> i have biggers problems with this installation to solve, for example fix something about one of my drives, can't mount it and can't access...i'm trying so much but i keep the hope to fix the problem
[01:33] <strive> If I'm having trouble connecting to a server because of the SSL certificate, what exactly should I do to "refresh" the cert without compromising freenodes cert?
[01:34] <laptop> anyone know when the meltdown security update will be patched for ubuntu
[01:34] <laptop> has it been patched already for archlinux
[01:35] <dax> laptop: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/
[01:35] <dax> tl;dr: soon™
[01:35] <laptop> I am wondering if archlinux would be safer
[01:36] <laptop> no one has tested amd processors so the vunerability may exist there yet
[01:36] <dax> laptop: this vulnerability's existed for a lot of years and has been known to some vendors for over half a year. a few more days isn't going to change much.
[01:37] <laptop> I agree but will they update 32 bit in addition to 64 bit
[01:37] <laptop> I always found amd processors to be slower anyway by 30%
[01:37] <laptop> than intel
[01:37] <laptop> you can actually update your system now with the kernal
[01:38] <laptop> but it will be buggy
[01:38] <dax> i know, I'm using 4.15-rc6 for other reasons (have been using 4.15-rc's the whole cycle).
[01:38] <delt> Hello
[01:38] <dax> has been fine for me, but not the sort of thing we tend to suggest in #ubuntu for fairly obvious reasons
[01:39] <delt> installing spamassassin on my mailserver gives me this error: install: fatal: unable to read tcpserver: file does not exist
[01:39] <delt> or even running dpkg --configure spamassassin
[01:39] <laptop> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754
[01:39] <delt> i get this error when installing/uninstalling any package when spamassassin is installed
[01:42] <delt> full strace of dpkg --configure spamassassin -- https://pastebin.com/bDvtfyrV
[01:44] <rawdog1984> amazing
[01:47] <laptop> are all amd processors affected
[01:47] <laptop> by meltdown, I might want to buy a computer with amd processor in it
[01:48] <drmessano> I'm getting my next PC without the processor
[01:48] <drmessano> Most secure that way
[01:49] <drmessano> No CPU, no problems
[01:49] <laptop> this will be a HUGE problem moving forward
[01:49] <laptop> actually amd processors really suck
[01:50] <laptop> they are super slow anyway
[01:50] <drmessano> Well no, there is already a solution.  New processors will be available that won't have the 20% performance hit from the kernel patches
[01:50] <drmessano> Problem solved for the OEMs
[01:51] <laptop> you are right, actually they are already available a
[01:51] <drmessano> Guess this makes the nothingburger Apple throttling thing look pretty weak
[01:51] <laptop> and very expensive
[01:51] <laptop> I am going to dust off my macintosh plus
[01:51] <drmessano> We ALL just got &%$%$% into buying a new PC
[01:51] <laptop> and use that
[01:51] <laptop> they should offer free processors
[01:51] <laptop> to certain customers
[01:51] <oerheks> these hw bugs are known since 2012, and there are a lot more lols
[01:52] <delt> Hello
[01:52] <laptop> probably waiting to be discovered
[01:52] <delt> installing spamassassin on my mailserver gives me this error: install: fatal: unable to read tcpserver: file does not exist
[01:52] <delt> or even running dpkg --configure spamassassin
[01:52] <delt> i get this error when installing/uninstalling any package when spamassassin is installed
[01:52] <delt> full strace of dpkg --configure spamassassin -- https://pastebin.com/bDvtfyrV
[01:52] <drmessano> Well, this solves the "People are keeping their PC's longer" issue that the OEMs had
[01:53] <s1l1k0n> Can someone explain how to stop X from running in ubuntu 17.10?  I've dropped to tty2 (ctrl-alt-f2) and have stopped gdm3, x11-common, but when I use sudo X configure it keeps complaining that it's still running on display 0
[01:56] <s1l1k0n> Alternatively, where is the X config stored?  I don't see anything in /etc/X11 like xorg.conf
[01:56] <Bashing-om> s1l1k0n: try ' sudo systemctl stop lightdm.service ' .
[01:57] <s1l1k0n> From what I can tell, lightdm isn't running.
[01:58] <s1l1k0n> lightdm doesn't show up when I run service --status-all  ; the only display manager that was running was gdm3, but I've stopped it...
[01:59] <delt> install: fatal: unable to read tcpserver: file does not exist
[01:59] <delt> dpkg: error processing package spamassassin (--configure):
[02:00] <Alsophila> Anyone PLZ help me T_T
[02:01] <Alsophila> My usb flash stick attacked by a virus in Windows and now I want to format it in Ubuntu...
[02:01] <Ben64> use gparted
[02:01] <Alsophila> -but it has write protect...
[02:01] <Ben64> turn write protect off then use gparted
[02:01] <Bashing-om> s1l1k0n: gnome DE then .. try as ' sudo systemctl stop gdm3.service ' .
[02:01] <Alsophila> could you tell me how can I turn it off...
[02:02] <Alsophila> -It doesn't have a switch on it
[02:02] <Ben64> likely the flash drive is just broken
[02:03] <Alsophila> syslog says "Write Protect is on"...
[02:04] <oerheks> parted as root should work.
[02:05] <delt> hello???
[02:05] <Alsophila> If there's no way to format it... Maybe I have to throw it away...
[02:06] <delt> Alsophila: sudo fdisk -l
[02:06] <oerheks> delt, if you find no answer here, or #ubuntu-server ( that is where mail guys hang out), post it on askubuntu?
[02:10] <Alsophila> delt: Which part of printout should I notice?
[02:13] <slimetrap> i need a good alternative to c9.io TwT for teaching someone python
[02:16] <wely> hello
[02:20] <delt> when dpkg installs or configures a package, it obviously looks "somewhere" for stuff it needs to run. Where is that info located???
[02:21] <xernus> Hi! I'm having some very strange issue with iscsi and the target service. It does not start on boot nor is it possible to start manually. It outputs these errors: https://pastebin.com/knmabZ1w       The "/sys/kernel/config/target" directory is there, but as it is under /sys it is not possible to do anything with it.  Does anyone have any clue on where to look next?   Googles doesn't give any results for that error
[02:23] <nukem> is 17.10 safe to install if you're on a desktop (i.e. not a Lenovo laptop or other Insyde UEFI laptop)?
[02:24] <nukem> whois wyre
[02:25] <nukem> is 17.10 safe to install if you're on a desktop (i.e. not a Lenovo laptop or other Insyde UEFI laptop)?
[02:37] <Checkmate> hi
[02:37] <laptop> any good antivirus for ubuntu
[02:38] <Checkmate> i'm running bash awk script to match files size 13GB its 1hours and half still running and i want to know how much % to get done ??
[02:38] <laptop> hello
[02:39] <laptop> have you gotten comodo antivirus to work for ubuntu
[02:39] <hggdh> Checkmate: it all depends on what the awk script does...
[02:39] <Checkmate> hggdh
[02:40] <Checkmate> hggdh awk 'FNR==NR{val=$1;a[val]=$0;next}!($NF in a){print > "left.txt";next}{print a[$NF]> "result.txt";next}' FS=: 2.txt FS=: OFS=: <(tr -d '\r' < 1.txt)
[02:40] <Checkmate> find replace
[02:40] <Checkmate> sorry its match file and keep left words matched and result.txt
[02:42] <eraserpencil> Hey! how do i enable nomodeset on the kernel at boot?
[02:42] <Checkmate> hggdh i want calc the job duration its possible?
[02:44] <eraserpencil> I'm on a live usb, trying to install ubuntu on a MBP. At the menu where "try Ubuntu before installing" , I pressed 'e' to edit grub config and have tried replacing "quiet splash ---" with " nomodeset", have tried adding "nomodeset" towards the end of "quiet splash ---" and nothing works
[02:44] <eraserpencil> I still get the black screen of death trying to boot
[03:03] <SchizoX_> hi
[03:03] <SchizoX_> how do i see userlist?
[03:04] <Dagronmaster> w
[03:04] <SchizoX_> hi is there any recommendations for irc client? i'm currently using x-chat
[03:04] <Dagronmaster> weechat, hexchat, irssi
[03:05] <SchizoX_> right. lemme take a look at hexchat. i'm having pproblems trying to connect to overthewire server with this
[03:05] <eraserpencil> I am configuring thelounge irc cleint
[03:05] <eraserpencil> v nice interface
[03:05] <SchizoX> it's been 2 decades since i used irc. it used to be just mIRC lol
[03:06] <Dagronmaster> IRC is dead.  Didn't you hear?  :)
[03:07] <strive> SchizoX: Welcome back :)
[03:07] <SchizoX> hmm?
[03:08] <SchizoX> @Dagronmaster hahaha ikr but ya. i just got on linux (yet again) and would really appreciate these channels.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> SchizoX: Terminal based - irssi : http://www.andrews-corner.org/ubuntu/irssi.html ,
[03:08] <SchizoX> idk what kids are using nowadays. but i think irc is still massively useful as chatrooms
[03:08] <SchizoX> can xchat join multiple servers at the same time?
[03:09] <SchizoX> i got recommended to play vim adventures and overthewire, right now i am trying to join overthewire irc help channel but hmm can't even join a simple irc channel haha. i feel like 12 again =.=
[03:10] <oerheks> xchat is EOL, unmaintained.
[03:10] <eraserpencil> i'm a "kid"
[03:10] <eraserpencil> and i think irc is the best invention ever
[03:12] <PilotBob42> I'm having trouble with getting EDID to work with both the Nouveau driver and the Nvidia driver. Anyone here have any experience with that?
[03:16] <SchizoX> oh reall oerheks, thanks. maybe i'll continue with hexchat instead
[03:16] <PilotBob42> My desktop will not nativel find 1280x1024 with eiher driver though my monitor supports it.
[03:16] <SchizoX> how do i uninstall stuff on linux :x
[03:16] <SchizoX> i'm on ubuntu
[03:16] <SchizoX> oh shit. ya obviously haha
[03:16] <PilotBob42> This is my output from get-edid:
[03:16] <SchizoX> eraserpencil: that's great haha
[03:17] <PilotBob42> https://thepasteb.in/p/BghPKrAqVAZsY
[03:18] <guy__> test
[03:18] <SchizoX> k hmm . getting out of xchat.
[03:19] <SchizoX> i think i'm getting the hang of it haha
[03:19] <SchizoX> anyone wanna guide me to uninstalling xchat? or just stuff on ubuntu generally
[03:20] <SchizoX> what's the difference between purge and remove via apt-get?
[03:20] <PilotBob42> anybody here familiar with EDID and getting monitor resolutions to work?
[03:21] <PilotBob42> https://askubuntu.com/questions/231562/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-get-purge-and-apt-get-remove
[03:21] <disruptivefour> @schizoX purge removes all traces of the file, even the information telling you how to get it again
[03:23] <PilotBob42> anyone here knowledgeable about EDID?
[03:23] <SchizoX> seems like helpers are out at the moment hmm
[03:24] <redphantom> does anyone know how to disable the GUI temporarily? I'm using KDE/Kubuntu
[03:24] <PilotBob42> alt-F1?
[03:25] <redphantom> nope?
[03:25] <PilotBob42> geez... I'm thinking Android x86 sorry...
[03:26] <PilotBob42> boot in debug mode
[03:28] <pburns> in gnome it's alt-f1 then sudo service gdm stop
[03:28] <PilotBob42> sudo service gdm stop
[03:29] <pburns> don't know aqbout kde tho
[03:30] <PilotBob42> anyone familiar with EDID and monitor resolutions?
[03:31] <redphantom> pburns i guess the solution is TTY mode ctrl alt F3
[03:31] <eraserpencil> redphantom: switch runlevels with telinit
[03:33] <PilotBob42> Nobody has has any experience with Ubuntu not detcting your monitor's resolutions?
[03:35] <PilotBob42> My monitor is capable of 1280x1024, but Ubuntu can't detect it. Only way I can get there is with a custom xorg.conf
[03:36] <PilotBob42> but this precludes using the Nvidiia drivers, only works with Nouveau.
[03:36] <PilotBob42> And I can't use a GPU accelerated compositor either.
[03:38] <PilotBob42> Anyone have any ideas?
[03:40] <PilotBob42> Is anyone even here?
[03:41] <Dagronmaster> Unfortunately my monitors Just Work, so I can't help you
[03:42] <Dagronmaster>  there's a guy in ##linux that appears to be quite knowledgeable about X
[03:42] <PilotBob42> Not familiar with EDID protocol?
[03:42] <Dagronmaster> I'm not, no.
[03:42] <Dagronmaster> I believe the guy in ##linux is, though.
[03:43] <PilotBob42> worth a shot, thanks
[03:43] <Dagronmaster> He's been going on about X for a while and EDID has popped up
[03:43] <sponix> In Ubuntu 14.04 CLI how do you easily display the CPU Temp ?
[03:43] <IMNME> Hello. I'm trying to auto start a mining script on a mining rig running xubuntu. I have edited the /etc/rc.local file, and have a file on my desktop that it points to, that should be starting 15s after startup. The script on my desktop that I want to auto run uses screen, and requires a password to work. Is there any way to bypass the password so i
[03:43] <IMNME> t will auto run? Thanks in advance
[03:44] <IMNME> using the following code:#!/bin/bash
[03:44] <IMNME> DEFAULT_DELAY=0
[03:44] <IMNME> if [ "x$1" = "x" -o "x$1" = "xnone" ]; then
[03:44] <IMNME>    DELAY=$DEFAULT_DELAY
[03:44] <IMNME> else
[03:44] <IMNME>    DELAY=$1
[03:45] <nacc> IMNME: use a pastebin
[03:45] <Dagronmaster> sponix: install lm-sensors and run the sensors command?
[03:46] <IMNME> https://paste.rtechsupport.org/view/76131df2
[03:47] <IMNME> @nacc it asks me for my password and to auto run on start up i need it to not do that
[03:48] <IMNME> @nacc I've also edited my sudoers.d to allow me to run commands in my desktop directory without a password, so I'm not sure why it still asks for a password
[03:49] <Dagronmaster> NOPASSWD in sudoers just means that sudo doesn't ask for your password
[03:50] <Bashing-om> spont4e: Try ' cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ' .
[03:51] <IMNME> Dagronmaster that was my best guess after a lot of googling... I'm not sure what to do at this point
[03:52] <thinkpad_> q
[03:52] <IMNME> @nacc @Dagronmaster this is what im using https://paste.rtechsupport.org/view/6cb49d18
[03:53] <ericx2x> hey i used to be able to have sound come out of my hdmi monitor but something changed and i no longer can see hdmi under my sound settings on ubuntu 16
[03:53] <ericx2x> any ideas on how i go about restoring my hdmi sound?
[03:54] <PilotBob42> no help over in ##linux
[03:55] <SchizoX> are there other help channels to assist in the transition from windows > linux?
[03:55] <ericx2x> who are you referring to PilotBob42 ?
[03:56] <PilotBob42> Well, I was referred to ##linux for help with an EDID problem with my montor, but no one there canhelp.
[03:57] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: which monitor is it, which ubuntu release are you running?
[03:58] <PilotBob42> I'm on Ubuntu-mate 17.10 and I'm using an older Westinghouse L1928NV monitor that is native at 1280x1024
[03:59] <PilotBob42> But Nouveau driver doesn't recognize it and only offers up to 1024x768 and the Nvidia driver gives even weirder default resolutions.
[04:00] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: if you want to debug this: sudo apt-get install read-edid; sudo get-edid | parse-edid
[04:00] <PilotBob42> I've been able to get 1280x1024 with a custom xorg.conf file with a Modeline, but that precludes getting the Nvidia driver to work and/or a compositor with GPU acceleraion.
[04:00] <adman120> hey i need some help
[04:01] <PilotBob42> Done that.
[04:01] <PilotBob42> https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzqKN4JyOhV
[04:01] <tomreyn> !ask | adman120
[04:01] <adman120> how do i fix this https://pastebin.com/a2q5rCvd
[04:02] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: "WARNING: Checksum failed" suggests the data read from i2c bus is inconsistent. this usually happens with screens with firmware bugs.
[04:06] <seldom> anyone know how to remove the timestamps in irc
[04:06] <seldom> seriously irritating; they merge with the sentence so I mistake for one
[04:06] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: you can alternatively pipe into edid-decode (a command provided by a package of the same name)
[04:06] <tomreyn> seldom: depends on your irc client
[04:07] <seldom> tomreyn: Thunderbird
[04:07] <seldom> apparently /timestamp is not supported
[04:09] <tomreyn> seldom: i dont know then, if it's not configurable in thunderbird preferences then i'd recommend you use a different irc client
[04:10] <PilotBob42> https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzqKNo87DTV
[04:10] <PilotBob42> looks like a checksum error from the monitor
[04:11] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: like before, yes
[04:12] <PilotBob42> Is there a workaround for the Nvidia driver to set a manual resolution (this system is spare parts and not worth buying a new monitor for)
[04:13] <tomreyn> personally i don't know (and also don't fancy supporting their proprietary drivers).
[04:13] <SchizoX> erm i started hexchat from the terminal. now the terminal doesn't operate because i think it's tied to the application. can someone help me out on this thing.
[04:14] <seldom> SchizoX: try hexchat &
[04:14] <seldom> the & will untie it, so to speak
[04:14] <SchizoX> i'm taking advice to start off getting comfortable with the terminal. so i think i'll have to be doing this alot
[04:14] <cloaks> classic ubuntu, doesnt work
[04:14] <cloaks> sigh
[04:14] <SchizoX> as in. end off with &? oh hmm
[04:14] <cloaks> https://github.com/symless/synergy-core/issues/4070
[04:14] <PilotBob42> I'm on the Nouveau driver now, but nothing GPU centric seems to work right. No compton or compiz compositor for instance.
[04:14] <SchizoX> but right now. i can't do that right? cuz i'm using this hexchat
[04:15] <SchizoX> so that terminal is tied down until this application process ends?
[04:15] <seldom> SchizoX: no, you should have started it that way
[04:15] <SchizoX> yup. got it
[04:15] <SchizoX> so if i'm to start any application from the terminal i should always end it with &?
[04:16] <seldom> end it with & if you want to do other stuff
[04:16] <SchizoX> if i terminate the terminal will hexchat go with it?
[04:16] <seldom> otherwise the terminal will be tied to the application you started in it
[04:16] <seldom> yes it will go with it
[04:16] <SchizoX> cuz i think this is a child process of the terminal right?
[04:16] <SchizoX> i see. ok
[04:16] <SchizoX> so mental note. almost always default to & when starting application via cli
[04:17] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: does "glxinfo -B | grep Accel" report "yes"?
[04:17] <seldom> Yes
[04:17] <SchizoX> btw any hexchat user here? i want to restart this thing. but how do i have hexchat reopen all these server/channels and pm?
[04:17] <SchizoX> is there persistency option ?
[04:17] <PilotBob42> Hmm, yes it does...
[04:17] <ses1984> what happened to the persistent storage options in the 'startup disk creator'
[04:20] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: nouveau acceleration (and performance in general) is not very fast, won't be on par with the proprietary drivers. also the opengl version supported may be lower (yuo can see this on 'glxinfo -B' output as well)
[04:21] <PilotBob42> Yeah, that would explain what I'm seeing. Some tearing in video playback and Compiz is hopelessly sluggish and Marco with Compton is garbled.
[04:21] <tomreyn> ses1984: i think those are only available when you have an msdos partition table or have it create that partition table (i.e. bytes 1 to 1024 zeroed), but not entirely sure.
[04:22] <PilotBob42> Gonna try to drive this off of the DVI monitor port tomorrow when my HDMI to DVI adapter gets here, hoping it can read the EDID right then.
[04:22] <tomreyn> SchizoX: you'd need to edit the network profile and add all channels you want to the 'join' tab
[04:23] <tomreyn> hexchat -> network list -> (select network -> ) edit -> autojoin channels
[04:24] <ses1984> tomreyn: the option to add reserved space with a slider is just not present at all in my gui
[04:25] <Dagronmaster> SchizoX: right-click your channels and select 'autojoin'
[04:25] <Dagronmaster> s/channels/channels and networks/
[04:25] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: I can load the Nvidia driver, but it just won't find my native resolution so everything looks blurry.
[04:26] <tomreyn> ses1984: yes, i understood so much.
[04:26] <tomreyn> ses1984: i am suggesting that your usb stick is not properly formatted to allow for it
[04:27] <SchizoX> brb.
[04:27] <SchizoX>  :) thx for the answers seldom
[04:27] <ses1984> i thought the options were always visible, or the tool would format the disk for you if you wanted persistent storage
[04:28] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: you could run xrandr on x startup / login. i don't have a better suggestion other than also giving 16.04 lts a try.
[04:28] <SchizoX> am i back?
[04:28] <SchizoX> nice. it worked :) hceers
[04:29] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: that works with Nouveaux, but I get an an error when the Nvidia driver is loaded. But at any rate, thanks for taking sometime to chat about it. You gave me at least one new direction to investigate.
[04:31] <seldom> SchizoX: no probs. you should check out the book The Linux Command Line by William E. Shotts, Jr. That's where I learnt it and many other things
[04:32] <seldom> It's free online
[04:32] <seldom> oh, he left
[04:34] <ses1984> tomreyn: ok, i used dd to zero the beginning of the drive, `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M count=1000` -- tried to create the startup disk, and the options did not show up
[04:34] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: maybe also try unplugging power off the moniitor and replugging it, it can help.
[04:35] <ses1984> then i opened the drive with `fdisk /dev/sdb` and it said "Created a new DOS disklabel" -- opened startup disk creator, again no options for persistent storage
[04:36] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: also if you have a spare monitor cable (and it can actually be replaced) then give that a try, too.
[04:37] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: Checksum correct!
[04:37] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: :)
[04:38] <tomreyn> ses1984: what capacity is the stick?
[04:38] <tomreyn> how much sotrage does it provide
[04:38] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: and control center is showing my actual monitor model for the first time ever.
[04:38] <ses1984> 64GB
[04:39] <tomreyn> ses1984: hmm, maybe that's just too large for it to be able to handle it. sorry, i don't know. :-/ this utility is surely not perfect. may i ask what you aretrying to achieve?
[04:39] <ses1984> a bootable usb stick with persistent storage
[04:40] <ses1984> the slider for persistent storage does not show up even when no stick is plugged in -- which is not what i remember
[04:40] <tomreyn> ses1984: how about you just create one without, then use gparted to create a separate partition on it and format it? i haven't tried whether this actually works, but i guess it could.
[04:41] <otaku> Howdy, can someone help a gray beard out and tell me what the latest and greatest is where I was using Compiz and Avant to look so turbo rad years ago?
[04:41] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: you sir are a scholar and a gentleman. I'd buy you a beer if I could.
[04:41] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: hehe, glad i could help. feel free to give this beer to you closest LUG instead.
[04:42] <otaku> Stuck in Ubuntu Mate because I refuse to live in the future, guess I should have mentioned that.
[04:43] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: I'd powered off an on about eleventy billion times, never thought about physically removing power from the monitor.
[04:46] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: I'd even tried a different VGA cable before, but since I never unplugged it...
[04:46] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: glad you worked it out.
[04:47] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: ok, while my monitor is still EDIDing right I'm gonna try the Nvidia driver again. In case I don't see you again, thanks a lot.
[04:47] <tomreyn> should work now
[04:47] <tomreyn> welcome
[04:48] <PilotBob42> probably will, thanks again, and good night
[04:48] <tomreyn> otaku: hello there, i'd like to assist but probably cannot. you are trying to get compiz and avant working on ubuntu mate? which release?
[04:48] <seldom> otaku: you want something to customize the desktop?
[04:48] <otaku> tomreyn: Nah, was just curious what the latest trend is to customize the GUI and have a dock somewhat nicer than standard MATE.
[04:48] <otaku> Thank you for your reply. :)
[04:49] <seldom> I dunno about Mate but I always used Tweak Tool
[04:49] <seldom> on Ubuntu when I was still using it
[04:50] <tomreyn> otaku: i see. i admit i know little about mate and compiz, but the web seems to suggest to install the "compizconfig-settings-manager" package to be able to configure compiz, if this helps. i really don't know about the dock / panel on mate.
[04:51] <tomreyn> there may be an #ubuntu-mate channel you can /join - but you may have a better chance getting feedback there starting ~ 10 hours from now.
[04:54] <otaku> Actually, selecting Cupertino style from MATE-Tweak gave fanciness, I'm sure I can figure out nifty desktop effects later. Thanks man!
[04:58] <adman120> how do i fix nfs-kernel-server dependency
[05:01] <tomreyn> adman120:  provide more context. what's the command you are running and the output it produces? explain how do you know it does not work, and what do you expect it to do.
[05:01] <adman120> sudo apt install nfs-kernel-server
[05:01] <adman120> https://pastebin.com/qE2aGXGB
[05:03] <nacc> adman120: read the output you rann and provide the resulting output in a pastebi
[05:03] <tomreyn> adman120: you can run "sudo journalctl -xel | pastebinit" to provide the full log output.
[05:04] <adman120> https://pastebin.com/a2q5rCvd
[05:04] <nacc> adman120: what versio of ubuntu?
[05:05] <nacc> adman120: and there should be more in the log, I'd expect
[05:05] <adman120> 17.04
[05:05] <nacc> adman120: that eol and not supported
[05:05] <tomreyn> !17.04
[05:05] <nacc> !yakkety | adman120
[05:06] <nacc> err, zesty, sorry, i misremembered my versions
[05:06] <nacc> about to go eol :)
[05:06] <adman120> eol?
[05:06] <nacc> I think a week out, right?
[05:06] <nacc> adman120: end of life
[05:06] <tomreyn> !eol
[05:07] <Ben64> according to the thing i saw, it's not scheduled to get updated for meltdown, so i'd say it's pretty dead now
[05:07] <adman120> im running in an lxc
[05:07] <nacc> https://serverfault.com/questions/859934/ubuntu-16-04-nfs-kernel-server-wont-start
[05:07] <nacc> Ben64: ah yeah that makes sense
[05:07] <nacc> https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/2703
[05:07] <nacc> adman120: it helpls to mention relevant bits like that
[05:07] <adman120> sorry
[05:08] <michael2> hi, does anyone know if it is possible to slow down the mouse pointer speed, beyond what ubuntu 16.04 standard "settings" GUI tool?
[05:08] <Ben64> michael2: man xset ?
[05:08] <nacc> in any case, the above serverfault page was the first hit on google for 'nfs-kernel-server failed dependency systemd' :)
[05:08] <adman120> do i have any alternatives?
[05:08] <nacc> adman120: read the lxd issue
[05:08] <adman120> no to nfs
[05:09] <nacc> adman120: what are you tryign to do?
[05:09] <adman120> have access to files in other lxcs
[05:09] <nacc> adman120: uh, just ssh?
[05:09] <Ben64> first you should upgrade to 17.10
[05:09] <Ben64> and yeah, ssh
[05:09] <adman120> like sonarr cant ssh
[05:10] <nacc> adman120: what?
[05:10] <adman120> im using sonarr and deluge in different lxcs
[05:10] <adman120> so i need sonarr to get the files from deluge
[05:10] <nacc> adman120: so you're using a non Ubuntu OS?
[05:10] <nacc> adman120: use sshfs and it's fie
[05:10] <nacc> *fine
[05:10] <adman120> ?
[05:11] <adman120> im using ubuntu containers
[05:11] <nacc> adman120: i don't know what sonarr and deluge are, are they applications?
[05:11] <nacc> adman120: sharing files is not relevant to the application, use sshfs at the container level
[05:11] <nacc> adman120: or use a shared storage at the host between the two
[05:11] <adman120> yea they appliations
[05:14] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: worked like a champ! loaded the Nvidia driver and turned on Marco with Compton GPU compositor and everything is much snappier!
[05:15] <tomreyn> PilotBob42: great. enjoy (until it breaks again, but you'll know how to recover).
[05:15] <scott_> hi
[05:15] <michael2> Ben64: thanks, but ( i should have mentioned) xset can have a setting for a mouse and a trackpad independently
[05:15] <michael2> s/cant/cant/
[05:16] <PilotBob42> tomreyn: yup, the mystery is solved now. spent a couple days trying to figure this out, so it's a huge relief.
[05:16] <michael2> damn  i meant s/can/cant/
[05:16] <michael2> i think xinput --set-ptr-feedback can distinguish between the two though
[05:19] <SchizoX> ...
[05:19] <SchizoX> argh. i can't copy and paste host to guest on vbox somehow
[05:19] <SchizoX> so many things to trouble shoot going crazy
[05:19] <ses1984> tomreyn: i tried to add an ext4 fs named casper-rw and it didn't get the result i wanted
[05:20] <ses1984> nothing persisted between boots
[05:20] <tomreyn> ses1984: i was rather thinking about a fat32 or ext4 fs
[05:21] <ses1984> the partition showed up in the file browser and clicking on it resulted in an error exited with status 32 already mounted or /media/ubuntu/casper-rw busy
[05:21] <ses1984> and /etc/mtab showed neither of those things was true
[05:21] <sphex> hey. not really ubuntu-specific, but what's a good media player that can work with a big music collection that doesn't have a uniform file naming scheme or correct meta-data? it's organized by directory correctly though (but sometimes with album subdirectories and sometimes not).
[05:21] <ses1984> also while i was in the 17.04 live environment the startup disk creator didn't have persistence options like my regular 16.04 desktop
[05:25] <c06> hi all
[05:25] <c06> facing packet loss issue in my environment how to find the issue(root cause) .?
[05:26] <tomreyn> ses1984: 17.04 will be EOL soon, i'd recommend using a supported release
[05:26] <tomreyn> c06: which ubuntu release is this?
[05:27] <ses1984> i just had the iso laying around to test, didn't feel like downloading another
[05:30] <c06> tomreyn: ubuntu 16.04
[05:30] <tomreyn> c06: and the packet loss is between this and what?
[05:31] <c06> cluster of vms which running in keepalive.. (vm3 -> (vm1,vm2,vm3 - VIP))
[05:32] <ghostnik11> hey what does it mean when someone says: you have to add an entry in the visudo script, and add the path of the script
[05:32] <ghostnik11> what is the visudo script?
[05:33] <Ben64> ghostnik11: what are you trying to do? messing with that could make your system not work properly
[05:33] <c06> tomreyn: sorry i am asking in networking channel leaving here.
[05:33] <ghostnik11> Ben64, i am trying to add this: https://launchpad.net/asust100-ubuntu/+milestone/hardware-scripts
[05:33] <c06> ty for reply
[05:34] <tomreyn> c06: cool, good luck.
[05:34] <lol-md5> c06: what networking channel? I should ask there
[05:34] <ghostnik11> Ben64, the last one especially which has to do with autobrightness
[05:34] <c06> #networking
[05:34] <c06> tomreyn: ty
[05:34] <lol-md5> ok
[05:35] <michael2> i love how irc channels have straightforwards names.
[05:35] <lol-md5> >_>
[05:35] <lol-md5> I shouldn't have asked.
[05:37] <tomreyn> it's ##networking though
[05:41] <ghostnik11> Ben64, so can i just add this to visudo file: #includedir /home/scripts (where /home/scripts is the location of my autobrightness.sh file and it will then work after a reboot?
[05:41] <Ben64> no
[05:43] <Ben64> ghostnik11: look here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=785149
[05:50] <lol-md5> tomreyn: #networking redirects to ##networking
[05:51] <ghostnik11> Ben64, so it should be something like this because i don't want it to be one user dependent but work for who ever is on the tablet. but from that link you gave me it would be just better to put the scripts in the /usr/local/sbin folder since visudo already uses that as default (thats what the visudo file says while in termninal that that is the default path
[05:51] <tomreyn> lol-md5: the earth is not flat.
[05:51] <ghostnik11> Ben64, the script folder is located in /home/myname/script
[05:52] <lol-md5> tomreyn: correct, why do you bring it up?
[05:52] <ghostnik11> Ben64, if i wanted to this would be the correct syntax to add at the end: ALL=NOPASSWD: /home/myname/script is that correct and could i just put that at the end of the visudo file or you think my first options to just put the script in /usr/local/sbin is better
[05:53] <Ben64> ghostnik11: if you want multiple users to use it, you probably don't want it in someone's home directory
[05:53] <tomreyn> lol-md5: it's as correct as your statement is. i just meant to point out i didn't say anything to the opposite. anyways, OT here, let's please move to #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like to talk more.
[05:54] <ghostnik11> Ben64, yeah but its my home directory like i am the principal user and probably the only one that will use the system
[05:55] <ghostnik11> Ben64, so the /usr/local/sbin option seems to be the best and safest
[05:55] <Ben64> ghostnik11: but you just said you don't want it one user dependent...
[05:56] <ghostnik11> Ben64, yeah like i want the script to run in the background even if lets say a family member signs in as guest
[05:56] <Ben64> how do you plan on having it run in the background
[05:57] <ghostnik11> Ben64, well i thought the whole point of visudo was to allow the scirpt to run without me having to input sudo and also i would tell to run as startup application with the sudo command and ./name of the script.sh
[05:58] <ghostnik11> Ben64, i mean have to run it without ask for me to input password for sudo
[05:58] <ghostnik11> Ben64, you get it or did i confuse u
[05:58] <Ben64> i think you're just going about it the wrong way
[05:59] <ghostnik11> Ben64, how come, according the instruction it says add it to visudo then put in command with startup application
[05:59] <ghostnik11> Ben64, i can post the link again
[06:00] <Ben64> i'd just add it to cron or something
[06:01] <ghostnik11> Ben64, cron? is cron and startup application the same thing or just doing the same job?
[06:02] <Ben64> not the same thing really
[06:02] <Ben64> !cron
[06:03] <ghostnik11> Ben64, not going to lie but i just skimmed the unixgeeks.org link and cron sounds cool but its saying it would only run the job in certain time frame for the autobrightness.sh i want it to run at startup/boot
[06:03] <Ben64> you can have it run every minute
[06:04] <ghostnik11> Ben64, that way the system knows how to adjust the autobrightness depending on the light sensor
[06:04] <ghostnik11> Ben64, but it would just check every minute, isn't that forcing the OS to do more work than just activate it at boot/startup and not have to worry about it
[06:05] <Ben64> that script as is runs a constant loop
[06:05] <Ben64> thats a lot of work
[06:05] <ghostnik11> Ben64, the same autobrightness.sh script?
[06:06] <dan2wik> Is it possible to disable auto scan of the partition table for new devices?
[06:07] <dan2wik> I'm trying to get data off this SD card but ubuntu keeps retrying to read the partition table.
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> dan2wik: gparted to the rescue
[06:14] <patr_k> Mornings
[06:14] <ghostnik11> Ben64, will be back after a reboot
[06:21] <snadge> where is the meltdown update for 17.10?
[06:22] <snadge> im about to compile my own kernel because mainline doesn't even have the patch from 4.15 git as it was only merged 2 days ago
[06:29] <ghostnik11> Ben64, okay so i found out that in that script there is an error so it doesn't work. but i found out that this other one is correct but the thing is that i have to run this to make it work: sudo ./t100ta_screen_brightness_ctl (decrease or increase) to be able to adjust my screen brightness
[06:29] <ghostnik11> Ben64, would i be able to run that script via startup and then have it work from just the fn keys?
[06:29] <eraserpencil> how can I have two different keyboard shortcut configs for ubuntu?
[06:31] <eraserpencil> the keys are physically printed with different media buttons and it's difficult when I'm without the keyboard I configured it for.
[06:31] <ghostnik11> Ben64, i want to know how can it automatically increase and decrease instead of me going into terrminal and having to cd where the script is then running the sudo ./ command
[06:31] <MrCrackPotBuilde> hhhhmmmmm i have a strange problem
[06:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i insert an old laptop hdd into the comp and lsblk lists it as sdb witth 4 partitions
[06:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> when i mount i get errors non stop
[06:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> either from fdisk with input output error
[06:33] <MrCrackPotBuilde> or with mounting saying cant find sdb in fstab
[06:33] <dan2wik> Does anyone know how to disable automatic partition table reading for new or specific drives?
[06:35] <dan2wik> I'm repeatedly seeing Block and Buffer IO errors along with "Alternate GPT is invalid, using primary GPT". I am trying to do a dd image but it freezes for a few seconds every time GPT is read.
[06:35] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ok this is even weirder after mounting i loose the 4partitions
[06:45] <duhamel> hello
[06:46] <duhamel> anybody know how i can change the sensitivity of logitech k400 touchpad in ubuntu 17.10
[06:46] <Jezzer> sensitivity? Hold on, let me consult my notes. I did this for my HP touchpad a while back.
[06:48] <duhamel> 17.10 has been such a steb back for ubuntu as far as stability and compatablity. at least for my computer it has
[06:49] <Jezzer> duhamel, if your touchpad uses synaptics, then i can help - as follows:
[06:49] <duhamel> synaptics is gone in 17.10
[06:50] <Jezzer> really? what happens when you type in " xinput list " ?
[06:51] <Jezzer> does it give a synaptics device output?
[06:51] <duhamel> 17.10 uses libinput
[06:51] <duhamel> not synaptics
[06:52] <Jezzer> ah okay... sorry, i can't help
[06:53] <duhamel> thanks anyways.
[07:13] <DrManhattan> Hello, I was wondering if 16.04 had intel quicksync support for Skylake?
[07:14] <DrManhattan> I'm looking at the Ubuntu site for it and it says I may need to use 17.04 or 17.10 to have proper hardware support, but that message about the bios bug in 17.10 on the download page is the scaries
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: you could use 16.04 with higher kernel also
[07:15] <DrManhattan> thank you, think outside the box
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: !mainline or !hwe
[07:15] <DrManhattan> I didn't consider that
[07:15] <DrManhattan> !hwe
[07:16] <DrManhattan> wait I might HAVE HWE enabled
[07:16] <DrManhattan> Linux z600hp 4.10.0-42-generic #46~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 4 15:57:59 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: wich ubuntu are you on now?
[07:16] <DrManhattan> 16.04
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: wich point release?
[07:17] <DrManhattan> .1
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: ah you need to upgrade mate
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: .3
[07:17] <DrManhattan> I'm not sure what's left to upgrade
[07:18] <DrManhattan> dist-upgrade is supposed to upgrade the whole system, right?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[07:19] <DrManhattan> ok so I am on 4.10.0-42
[07:19] <DrManhattan> !help info
[07:19] <DrManhattan> !info help
[07:19] <DrManhattan> :((
[07:20] <DrManhattan> !info linux-image-generic
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> thats for artful
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: dist upgrade to .3
[07:20] <DrManhattan> lotuspsychje, i've done dist-upgrade a bunch of times
[07:20] <DrManhattan> I have missed something apparently
[07:21] <DrManhattan> and I feel like a big blue moron
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> !upgrade | DrManhattan
[07:22] <DrManhattan> I'm on a headless server, and I think perhaps my uname info is not reflecting my current system info
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: lsb_release -a to check
[07:22] <DrManhattan> yep
[07:23] <DrManhattan> yeah i'm fine, sorry
[07:23] <DrManhattan> I wonder why uname gets tagged with the original sysinfo
[07:23] <DrManhattan> that's cute, but annoying
[07:23] <DrManhattan> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: hmm that doesnt explain kernel yet
[07:24] <DrManhattan> Sorry to have wasted your time there, but my kernel info is right
[07:24] <DrManhattan> I think I'm on that HWE stack
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: dont sorry mate, we here to investigate right
[07:24] <DrManhattan> Nice. And my teammates often wonder why I like the ubuntu community more
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: what was your original issue of hardware support you wanted higher kernel for?
[07:26] <DrManhattan> My nose wasn't high enough in the air for my comfort? Performance boost?
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:26] <DrManhattan> We do things because we can!
[07:26] <DrManhattan> to see what Linux is capable of
[07:26] <DrManhattan> it never ceases to amaze me
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: well for ubuntu its better to keep things vanilla, when they work
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: but of course its your system to play with
[07:27] <DrManhattan> i'm an old guy and to see it go from compiling everything yourself to this amazing intuitive flexible use-anywhere OS, it just brings a smile to my face
[07:28] <DrManhattan> So what I basically like to do is keep everything vanilla BUT the kernel
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: yeah the ubuntu community is splendid, join #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[07:28] <DrManhattan> if I could, I'd use whatever the latest release from kernel.org is, but I am too old to be trying to compile my own kernel when everything is so wonderfully autodetected
[07:29] <DrManhattan> NO - OT
[07:29] <DrManhattan> NP- OT I mean
[07:29] <DrManhattan> That being said, is there a way to enable whatever the absolute latest kernel being used in my LTS release?
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | DrManhattan no need to compile
[07:30] <DrManhattan> oorah
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: there is also #ubuntu-server to help you in the future
[07:33] <DrManhattan> lotuspsychje, this is awesome. Thanks a ton for being so helpful. That was just perfect.
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan: your welcome and nice to hear you like the community
[07:45] <ghostnik11> hey i am compiling bluetooth and i get this error: makefile.in
[07:46] <ghostnik11> how can i get around that
[07:47] <ghostnik11> Ben64, i got brightness working but like i said before, the scripts i was trying to use had errors in them. the only problem i have is that i don't know how to map the fn keys to the correct script so i can just touch the keys and tell it to increase and decrease brightness
[07:47] <ghostnik11> config.status: error: cannot find input file: `Makefile.in'
[07:49] <Ben64> ghostnik11: you said you want auto brightness, that seems like it would override that
[07:51] <ghostnik11> Ben64, well the problem i was having was that brightness was turned up to highest level and i wasn't allowed to change it. so now the script allows me to change it via terminal. i just need to map the fn keys to increase and decrease the brightness
[07:54] <ghostnik11> Ben64, while in terminal all i do is cd to script folder and run ./t100ta_screen_brightness_ctl [increase or decrease] and i can adjust the screen brightness level
[07:57] <OERIAS> Anyone know if there is way of getting the notifications back? I installed Unity on Ubuntu 17.10
[07:58] <Ben64> ghostnik11: well i don't think you'd be able to use the fn keys if they don't already work for it
[07:59] <ghostnik11> Ben64, it isn't possible to put into the script to map increase as fn 6 and decrease as fn 5
[08:00] <ghostnik11> Ben64, also i am trying to compile and build bluetooth, in order to get bluetooth working and for some reason i keep getting a error: config.status: error: cannot find input file: `Makefile.in
[08:00] <ghostnik11> Ben64, i don't understand why i am getting that error
[08:01] <geirha> probably need to run autoconf first
[08:01] <ghostnik11> geirha, like just: sudo autoconf
[08:01] <geirha> no sudo
[08:02] <geirha> may also need to run aclocal first
[08:03] <ghostnik11> geirha, so i did both of those in the order you said and will now run:./configure --enable-experimental
[08:04] <ghostnik11> geirha, still same error
[08:04] <ghostnik11> geirha, am i getting this error b/c of a dependency issue?
[08:04] <geirha> Ok, then you'll need to figure out how Makefile.in is meant to be generated
[08:06] <ghostnik11> geirha, also the aclocal that you told me to run has no file like that but has: aclocal.m4
[08:07] <geirha> aclocal is a command installed elsewhere
[08:08] <geirha> I assume it's bluez? I found the source code, and it apparently requires a few more steps   https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/bluetooth/bluez.git/tree/bootstrap
[08:08] <ghostnik11> geirha, yeah its bluez
[08:08] <geirha> run ./bootstrap then
[08:10] <ghostnik11> geirha, is ./bootstrap i ran it and it told me it installed stuff that were missing like: /compile, /missing and /depcomp
[08:10] <ghostnik11> should i run my command now to get it to compile?
[08:11] <geirha> see if Makefile.in has appeared
[08:11] <ghostnik11> geirha, yeah its there now
[08:11] <ghostnik11> geirha, so i can use ./bootstrap anytime i get any error and it will find whats missing and do it for me
[08:12] <geirha> It should only be necessary the first time.
[08:14] <ghostnik11> geirha, okay i just make -install j4 and ow its running through all the modules and stuff and it just finished and put in /usr/bin/install -c tools/btattach /usr/...
[08:15] <ghostnik11> geirha, so i should be good now to follow the rest of the instructions from launchpad
[08:23] <blubaustin> was wondering how I would set PRAGMA shrink_memory or sqlite3_db_release_memory() in sqlite3 command line?
[08:25] <geirha> Try asking #sqlite
[08:28] <ghostnik11> geirha, okay so i got bluetooth up but with this command: btattach --bredr /dev/ttyS4 -P bcm
[08:29] <ghostnik11> geirha, the only thing is that when i use that command if i close terminal then bluetooth goes away from up by the clock and wifi signal
[08:29] <geirha> Run it from a run dialog (Alt+F2) instead of from a terminal
[08:30] <ghostnik11> geirha, oh, i see
[08:30] <hateball> well you could simply append "& disown" to the command in a terminal to detach it
[08:32] <geirha> true, but running it from the run dialog will leave it managed by the x session, so will get killed along with it when he logs out
[08:32] <hateball> fair point
[08:37] <ghostnik11> hateball, geirha well i did a sudo nano to rc.local and just added it there
[08:37] <ghostnik11> hateball, geirha i will reboot and see if i have bluetooth by default and see
[08:38] <geirha> I doubt it will work from rc.local
[08:39] <ghostnik11> geirha, well we will see, i will let you know give me one sec
[08:40] <hateball> need to enable the systemd rc.local service first
[08:40] <hateball> and they left, I see
[08:41] <soso> ?
[08:41] <ghostnik11> geirha, got it bro. it worked
[08:42] <ghostnik11> geirha, hateball soso it worked and now when i boot i see the bluetooth dongle up top by the wifi and clock and language
[08:42] <hateball> ghostnik11: :)
[08:43] <ghostnik11> hateball, no but thanks to you guys for the help and the guys over at launchpad where i followed their steps to get bluetooth working for this particular device
[08:51] <imi> hi. how do I set keyboard repetition page in stock ubuntu?
[08:59] <Ushuru> Hi all, I have a question: has anyone here installed / used the VCV Rack ?
[09:07] <pigeonaras> hello
[09:08] <ghostnik11> is mapping keys in the .exrc
[09:34] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[09:34] <raddy> Is security fixes for meltdown vulnerabilty released by Ubuntu ?
[09:35] <menace> do plattforms like python or libreoffice have to be recompiled for spectre/meltdown? it seems some attack variants only need locally executed code for mapping the memory
[09:37] <mbi> !kpti | raddy
[09:45] <neure> hi
[09:46] <neure> for some reason alt+function key switches to virtual terminals
[09:46] <neure> this is nasty
[09:46] <neure> i cant use alt-f4 to close a window - it will activate vt4
[09:46] <neure> any suggestions how to fix this?
[09:48] <vitalkanev> neure: ALT-F4 closes window on 17.10, which works
[09:48] <vitalkanev> I don't actually know
[09:48] <neure> well this is annoying
[09:49] <neure> the problem it that it ALSO switches VT :(
[09:49] <neure> perhaps a reboot will fix that..
[10:02] <eraserpencil> any idea why rfcomm keeps disconnecting after successfully connecting?
[10:09] <menace> mbi: the kpti answer does not really satisfy my question if user land applications which are able to execute code have to be recompiled
[10:19] <Orvalvisje> hello
[10:19] <mst89> hey
[10:20] <PeTeR_I> hi
[10:22] <mbi> menace: my answer was to Raddy :) hence the '| raddy '
[10:24] <menace> ah
[10:24] <mbi> however I do not belive it should be necessary to update user specific applications, since the kernel will prevent this fault to be executable
[10:24] <mbi> but ... :-) we'll have to see
[10:43]  * satoshi1958 commands ChanServ to give her operator status
[10:50] <trevorj> yo beautiful people, wheres our patches at?
[10:50] <trevorj> I should ask in -security huh
[10:51] <trevorj> I compiled bionic's master-next for now, currently pushing it out, but I'd rather not ofc
[10:52] <trevorj> I'm assuming zfs 0.6.5.x not supporting 4.14 directly may have had something to do with it not being out yet?
[10:54] <trevorj> That, or maybe you, like me, tried to backport kpti to 4.13 in a rush
[10:55] <trevorj> That proved to be harder than forward-porting that sweet sauce to 4.14
[10:55] <trevorj> This is when I found that the bionic repo is now live.
[10:55] <trevorj> Felt pretty dumb.
[10:55] <trevorj> ;)
[11:04] <gordonjcp> so
[11:04] <gordonjcp> ifconfig has been replaced by ip
[11:04] <gordonjcp> how do you get ip to just show you everything, the way that typing ifconfig on its own did?
[11:05] <DalekSec> `ip a`
[11:05] <arora> ip -c a
[11:06] <whaomi> hello
[11:12] <aaap> hello
[11:13] <pagios> hello everyone, i am having some problem when copying files from hardisk to any usb stcik, the copy starts fast then slows down like hell and stops around 80% and takes forever to finish any idea?
[11:13] <pagios> on windows i dont have thyis problem
[11:13] <aaap> may i know what is an effective way to copy a URL/text with links2 -g  to system clipboard?
[11:13] <EriC^^> pagios: try copying it from the terminal
[11:14] <pagios> EriC^^, i m using unetbootin
[11:14] <pagios> to copy iso to usb stick
[11:14] <EriC^^> pagios: oh, try using dd
[11:14] <pagios> i did
[11:14] <pagios> usb donest boot
[11:14] <pagios> EriC^^, any optiosn to use with dd?
[11:14] <EriC^^> dd is the best way, must be something else
[11:15] <EriC^^> pagios: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[11:15] <EriC^^> did you use /dev/sdX or /dev/sdxY
[11:15] <pagios> sdxY
[11:15] <EriC^^> oh, that's it then
[11:15] <pagios> oh
[11:15] <EriC^^> you need to use the whole disk name
[11:16] <pagios> udo ^C if=....iso  of=/dev/sde1  conv=fdatasync
[11:16] <pagios> so i need to use /dev/sde
[11:16] <EriC^^> make sure it's unmounted, then run the command again
[11:16] <EriC^^> yup
[11:16] <EriC^^> use bs=4M so it goes faster, and run 'sync' after it's done
[11:17] <pagios> usually a gui problem from copy?
[11:17] <EriC^^> no
[11:17] <EriC^^> just thought the terminal might give any errors about why it's stalling
[11:18] <pagios> does the blocksize matter?
[11:19] <EriC^^> makes it faster
[11:19] <EriC^^> 10x
[11:19] <mDfRg-> so why one need smaller block size?
[11:19] <mDfRg-> *needs
[11:21] <EriC^^> that's the block size for the buffer of dd, so instead of reading each 512bytes and putting it it reads 4M at a time, way less operations to do
[11:22] <mDfRg-> Does using 512b at once make it more reliable?
[11:22] <EriC^^> if the disk has some damage or something then smaller block size would be better for recovery
[11:23] <matglas> I read about the updates to come regarding Meltdown and Spectre https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/. I was wondering if anybody knows of a repo that would bring in a Kernel for 12.04.
[11:23] <EriC^^> i think ddrescue attempts smaller and smaller blocksize when it's trying to get damaged data back, also in dd with a larger block size an error in a block could disregard a lot of data
[11:23] <pagios> so the smallest unit is the block
[11:24] <matglas> I know that Canonical/Ubuntu will not provide it. But if there is another way to get a matching Kernel that would be great.
[11:24] <mavric> greetings earthlings
[11:24] <EriC^^> pagios: yeah, it's the group of bytes it gets together
[11:25] <dviola> anyone experiencing compiz crashes with the latest ubuntu 16.04?
[11:26] <EriC^^> dviola: anything in dmesg about it?
[11:26] <dviola> I only saw compiz segfaults, but I'll have to reboot and check again
[11:27] <EriC^^> ok, look into kern.log
[11:27] <dviola> ok thanks
[11:27] <EriC^^> np
[11:30] <lord4163> matglas: can't you upgrade to 14.04 at least?
[11:31] <lord4163> matglas: you can I think download the deb package
[11:32] <matglas> lord4163, I might be able to update the kernel to that of 14.04?
[11:32] <DrGrov> How can I access the security package updates branch to follow security updates being released for 16.04?
[11:32] <matglas> I am not able to update the machine to 14.04
[11:33] <geirha> why not?
[11:33] <maxzor> Hello, I have a dvd burnt with ubuntu from last week. Can I apply kpti patches without rewriting the whole dvd? Like mounting chrooting sudo update?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:33] <geirha> !kpti | DrGrov
[11:33] <DrGrov> geirha: Thank you
[11:34] <lord4163> matglas: I mean, you can just download the deb file and try to install the kernel. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2018-01-05/
[11:34] <lord4163> matglas: files*
[11:35] <geirha> maxzor: not if it's finalized
[11:35] <lord4163> matglas: And if you are concerned with security, then you are fucked anyways on an EOL distro.
[11:35] <maxzor> geirha, what do you mean? I indeed finished burning my dvd and it is cold now :)
[11:36] <matglas> lord4163, true true. First thing on the list to do. Migrate all to 16.04. :)
[11:36] <maxzor> but anyway I go to the install party tomorrow and I guess the patch for xenial wont be rdy
[11:37] <lord4163> matglas: why can't you upgrade btw?
[11:37] <lapion> Hello wherecan I find the kernel configuration used in the running kernel ?
[11:39] <Exterminador> does the backup system in Ubuntu only works with NextCloud?
[11:39] <lapion> nvm found the info
[11:41] <pagios> EriC^^, sudo dd if=x64.iso  of=/dev/sdd  conv=fdatasync bs=4M status=progress
[11:41] <pagios> 3858759680 bytes (3.9 GB, 3.6 GiB) copied, 2.03417 s, 1.9 GB/s
[11:41] <pagios> it just hangs afterwards
[11:42] <hateball> pagios: do you see any errors if you run "dmesg" ?
[11:42] <EriC^^> pagios: ^
[11:42] <pagios> EriC^^, hateball https://pastebin.com/qSQVyBvS
[11:43] <lord4163> Exterminador: deja-dup?
[11:44] <dv`> pagios: how long did you wait?
[11:44] <dv`> pagios: i often get sd card write speeds like 2mb/s, so it might take a while to finish
[11:44] <pagios> dv`, so far like 10 min
[11:47] <pagios> but why
[11:48] <EriC^^> pagios: that seems excessive, did you run && sync at the end or just the dd one?
[11:48] <pagios> just dd
[11:48] <pagios> didnt finish the dd
[11:49] <EriC^^> i think fdatasync is the same as && sync for the dd operation
[11:49] <pagios> trying without it now
[11:49] <EriC^^> hmm ok
[11:50] <EriC^^> for me sometimes it completes the dd within a min or so, then the sync operation takes a few minutes
[11:51] <pagios> this is frustrating..
[11:51] <pagios> i tried many usb sticks, many ports
[11:51] <EriC^^> oh
[11:51] <pagios> and i am running like a decent machine
[11:54] <Exterminador> lord4163: sorry I went afk because of my daughter. yes, it's deja-dup
[11:59] <lord4163> Exterminador: It has many options as far as I know.
[12:00] <cesdras> slaut
[12:01] <Exterminador> well, I've tried to use Google Drive and didn't found it on the list of storage location I have only NextCloud, Network Server and Local Folder
[12:02] <omairqazi>  <lazr.restfulclient.resource.Collection object at 0x7f7693a4e210> i am getting this error in python
[12:03] <pagios> EriC^^, i interrupted it and now if i unplug replug no disk is detected in fdisk -l
[12:03] <Exterminador> well, seems I can't use Google. bah. does anyone is aware of other software to upload backups for another service, like Mega, Dropbox or something like that?
[12:03] <EriC^^> pagios: happens to me sometimes, try to unplug and replug a couple times
[12:04] <lord4163> Exterminador: Uhm, you can use duplicity with Google Drive I think
[12:05] <Exterminador> uhm. I need to check it out then. thanks for the tip lord4163
[12:05] <lord4163> Exterminador: make sure to install the latest version of duplicity from a ppa tho, cloud providers like Google like to change things namely
[12:07] <Exterminador> I assume I won't find it on Ubuntu Software right?
[12:08] <lord4163> Exterminador: Duplicity can be installed from the software center I suppose
[12:08] <lord4163> Exterminador: but it should be installed already, it is the command line utility that deja-dup uses.
[12:08] <lord4163> Exterminador: deja-dup is just a graphical frontend for duplicity, but it is less powerful than the command line utility
[12:09] <lord4163> Exterminador: but as I said, it may be outdated, but you can try it with the version you have installed first
[12:10] <Exterminador> if the command to use in command line is "duplicity", then it said that's not installed but can be installed with "apt install duplicity"
[12:11] <lord4163> Exterminador: but you have deja-dup installed?
[12:12] <lord4163> Exterminador: weird, then it must ship with its own version of duplicity.
[12:12] <Exterminador> at least I think it's deja-dup. it's the backup system that came installed with the Ubuntu 17.10 I've installed (fresh one)
[12:16] <lord4163> Exterminador: Personally I use Backblaze B2 for my offsite backups https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage.html with duplicity.
[12:23] <Exterminador> lord4163: thanks. I'll take a look at the options I have and I'll see what can I use. once again thanks for the tip :)
[12:24] <Ascavasaion> I tried to Install Ubuntu and hit this message, "grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot".  I have 8 x 4TB HDD on a SCSI controller, and put a 1TB SATA in to run the OS on.  I partitioned the 1TB into two ext4 partitions and chose to mount them on / and /home/username/800GB respectively.  Could someone help me with why it will not install the OS onto the /
[12:24] <Ascavasaion> partition of the 1TB drive.
[12:31] <iresf> i have ubuntu 16.4  on hp laptop with Radeon R5  m240 series that amd does not support it and im developing android app, because of performance this version is not good for developing
[12:32] <gordonjcp> DalekSec: thanks
[12:32] <gordonjcp> arora: thanks
[12:32] <iresf> is there a way to secure downgrade ubuntu 16.04 to ubuntu 16.04.4  ?
[12:32] <gordonjcp> iresf: what exactly are you trying to do?
[12:34] <good_cookies> i can suggest to debug your app via usb
[12:34] <iresf> i want to install ubuntu 14.04.4 or earlier but i have no one of them now and only i have ubuntu 14.04.5 iso  file   and  i know ubuntu 14.04.5 does not support fglrx
[12:35] <iresf> gordunjcp: but i am looking for a way to downgrade ubuntu 16.04 to 14.04.4
[12:36] <iresf> gordonjcp
[12:38] <sdfgsdfg> HELP ME
[12:38] <sdfgsdfg> I have too many tabs open
[12:39] <sdfgsdfg> cant stop opening new ones
[12:39] <pagios> EriC^^, crazy ..
[12:40] <pagios> the usb stick is blinking forever
[12:40] <iresf> any secure way to downgrade from ubuntu 16.04 to ubuntu 14.04.4 ?
[12:42] <pagios>  535 kB/s
[12:42] <pagios> ErichEickmeyer,
[12:52] <arora> iresf: Yeah, there is.
[12:53] <arora> iresf: but why do you want to?
[12:53] <gordonjcp> iresf: 14.04 or 16.04, you mention both
[12:57] <iresf> gordonjcp : ubuntu 16.04  to 14.04    because i need to use fglrx
[12:58] <iresf> arora : i need to fglrx driver
[12:58] <arora> Do you have 14.04 iso? iresf
[12:59] <iresf> arora :  i have 14.04.5 iso  that i have heard it does not support fglrx
[13:00] <iresf> and  also i can not download 14.04.4 or earlier because some reasons related to internet
[13:01] <arora> iresf: What reasons with internet?
[13:01] <pagios> EriC^^, question the dd command finished but still the usb is not bootable, should i enable any boot flag somewhere?
[13:01] <iresf> arora : low speed
[13:02] <brainwash> iresf: then we cannot help you
[13:03] <arora> What's your internet speed? iresf
[13:03] <arora> and what do you need fglrx for?
[13:05] <iresf> internet speed of ISP that i have cached is low  : 120 kb /s
[13:05] <arora> iresf: and what do you need fglrx for?
[13:05] <iresf> arora : for android programming
[13:06] <jk^> how to unmount a drive? i try to "right click on drive" but it doesn't appear "Unmount"
[13:06] <jk^> on lubuntu
[13:07] <ioria> iresf, you could downgrade a trusty hwe point release, installing the previous 14.04.1 kernel/X stack , but personally never tried :  14.04.1 kernel/X stack:
[13:07] <ioria> iresf, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#LTS_Hardware_Enablement_Stack
[13:08] <arora> jk^: Which file manager?
[13:09] <ioria> iresf,  this works for a 14.04.x installation, but with a xenial one btw
[13:09] <Mylon> So when will the repositories get the meltdown fix?  I just updated and I'm still not on kernel 4.4.109?
[13:09] <EriC^^> pagios: try pressing a run time boot options button that gives a boot menu, which pc make is it?
[13:10] <iresf> alright thank u arora  i have found also another way may you look it at ?  https://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/debian-linux/ubuntu-linux-rollback-an-apt-get-upgrade/
[13:11] <jk^> arora, the icon is on the desktop
[13:12] <jk^> i do right click but it doesn't appear a command to click to unmount the drive
[13:12] <jk^> i'm on lubuntu
[13:16] <arora> iresf: You can only downgrade packages, not the entire system, I guess.
[13:16] <arora> jk^: Open it in a file manager, and eject it from there..
[13:17] <jk^> :-o
[13:17] <jk^> arora
[13:17] <jk^> they didn't think to a command in the context menu of usb drives
[13:17] <jk^> and i don't even find a command to delete all trash contents
[13:18] <jk^> in the context meny by right click on trash icon
[13:18] <jk^> arora,
[13:18] <arora> jk^: What?
[13:18] <arora> jk^: Do you have pcmanfm?
[13:20] <holden87> .hey guys, I'd like to install 17.10, but need to ifnd out if my computer could be affected by the latest bug brekaing bios. how do i check this?
[13:20] <eraserpencil> it has. all computers the pass 20 years has the flaw
[13:20] <riyanp1992> hi
[13:21] <arora> holden87: Which bug exactly.
[13:21] <arora> s/./?
[13:21] <riyanp1992> can i ask?
[13:21] <holden87> the most writtem about currently, wait i'll copy
[13:21] <riyanp1992> ]i am new using xubuntu
[13:21] <arora> riyanp1992: Dont ask to ask.
[13:21] <jk^> arora, yes, but i'm talking about the icon on the desktop. If i right click on trash icon, in the context menu that appears, there isn't a command to delete by one click all contents of trash
[13:21] <holden87> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/12/ubuntu-corrupting-lenovo-laptop-bios
[13:21] <holden87> this is not just lenovo as i heard
[13:22] <arora> jk^: That's just a design choice, i feel you. ;P
[13:23] <eraserpencil> anyone know of a calendar that supports timetracking that is also foss?
[13:23] <riyanp1992> is xubuntu have system sound like if  it have an error will be notified by the sound? or clicking something?
[13:23] <arora> holden87: Are you going to dualboot it?
[13:23] <matglas> I was wondering.
[13:24] <matglas> I have a 12.04.5 ubuntu.
[13:24] <matglas> But it still runs the 3.2 kernel
[13:24] <arora> riyanp1992: Error like?
[13:24] <matglas> Not a good idea. I know.
[13:24] <jk^> arora, then how to delete all contents of trash?
[13:24] <matglas> But I want to put the 3.13 kernel on there because that still receives updates.
[13:24] <holden87> arora: no
[13:25] <matglas> And offcourse move everything over to a new fresh install asap.
[13:25] <arora> jk^: I am using deepin, when I open trash folder and right click, it says, "empty trash" option
[13:25] <matglas> What should I do to do that? Can I setup my repository list to pickup the trusty kernel only?
[13:25] <arora> holden87: I am on a lenovo as well, and nothing happened but to be safe go with, 16.10 and then upgrade to 18.04
[13:26] <riyanp1992> no error but, is ubuntu have a system sound like if we click the close the windows it has a sound.
[13:26] <iresf> arora : exactly  want to downgrade xserver-xorg  version to   1.16
[13:26] <jk^> what is deepin arora ?
[13:27] <arora> iresf: Yeah, then it may work, with the lower xorg version.
[13:27] <arora> jk^: It's a desktop environment.
[13:27] <riyanp1992> how to check opengl version?
[13:27] <jk^> mine is lxde
[13:27] <jk^> on lubuntu
[13:27] <jk^> :\
[13:27] <iresf> arora  : yeah but i afraid of breaking packages
[13:27] <arora> jk^: You can change it..
[13:28] <Demgeek> Hello
[13:28] <BluesKaj> holden87, I have Kubuntu 17.10 on my Lenovo G500 laptop, but my UEFI/BIOS seems ok
[13:28] <Demgeek> can you help me
[13:28] <jk^> no, i need a light one
[13:28] <hateball> !ask | Demgeek
[13:28] <arora> iresf: This is why, I don't recommend it but you can get 14.04.04 or less if you leave it at overnight download..
[13:28] <jk^> arora,
[13:29] <jk^> arora, i know lxde is the lightest
[13:29] <jk^> arora, i have even a problem with archive manager
[13:29] <jk^> it shows me some error messages
[13:30] <arora> jk^: PcManfm should also have that.. right click inside pcmanfm trash can folder
[13:30] <jk^> ok arora
[13:30] <jk^> thanks, inside pcmanfm, i found it :)
[13:30] <jk^> but on desktop not
[13:31] <Demgeek> arora,
[13:31] <arora> yeah Demgeek
[13:31] <arora> jk^: :D
[13:31] <Demgeek> I have a qestion
[13:32] <arora> sure, ask
[13:32] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dEUp2r1yoNFog-pfVGTfK6pF4EJXTP5K/view?usp=sharing
[13:32] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ezzAz0mCP0C_DYldM23nY59MlzgqhgtV/view?usp=sharing
[13:32] <arora> Demgeek: What's your question?
[13:32] <Demgeek> I had mozila firefox and it update
[13:32] <jk^> these are the problem with archive manager, they are 2 message i had on xubuntu, but they are the same i have now on lubuntu
[13:32] <jk^> arora,
[13:33] <Demgeek> and now it can't work
[13:33] <arora> Demgeek: What happens when you open firefox?
[13:33] <Demgeek> Firefox had a problem and crashed.
[13:33] <Demgeek> To help us diagnose and fix the problem, you can send us a crash report
[13:33] <Demgeek> There it is
[13:34] <arora> Does it crash every time you open it Demgeek ?
[13:34] <Demgeek> Yes
[13:35] <mjayk> Tried reinstalling FF Demgeek ?
[13:35] <Demgeek> no
[13:35] <ioria> Demgeek, maybe some extensions/profile  issue. try in safe mode from terminal   :   firefox -safe-mode
[13:36] <Demgeek> it doesn't work ioria
[13:36] <arora> Demgeek: Try reinstalling it.
[13:36] <Demgeek> ok
[13:37] <Demgeek> how&
[13:37] <Demgeek> ?
[13:37] <ioria> Demgeek, sudo apt install --reinstall firefox
[13:37] <arora> Demgeek: ^^
[13:39] <Demgeek> Sorry, user demka is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/apt install --reinstall firefox' as root on dema-rasp.
[13:40] <ioria> Demgeek, are you in the sudo group ?
[13:41] <abbatoN> is there a nice program for making electronic music?
[13:41] <abbatoN> dubstep etc
[13:42] <Demgeek> sory I am from Ukraine and my English isn't the best
[13:42] <Demgeek> what is sudo?
[13:42] <ioria> Demgeek, id | grep sudo
[13:43] <adrian_1908> abbiya: I don't make music myself, but maybe Hydrogen works for you (http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/). Also, I heard that FL Studio (Windows) works ok with Wine.
[13:44] <adrian_1908> Wrong name, sorry. Meant abbatoN.
[13:44] <Demgeek> sory I don't understand
[13:44] <abbatoN> adrian_1908 ok thanks
[13:45] <TJ-> Demgeek: run the command "groups" and tell us what the result is, we need to check if the user account has privileges to run 'apt'
[13:46] <Demgeek> demka adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev input netdev lpadmin scanner sambashare spi i2c gpio
[13:48] <arora> Demgeek: Do you know the root password? Meaning when you type su it will ask for a password, do you know that password?
[13:48] <knightwise> hey everyone
[13:51] <mjayk> hayk knightwise
[13:51] <pagios> hello, i burned my windows iso file to a usb and this is how it looks, for some reason it does not boot from usb is this uefi compatible? https://i.imgur.com/Uc3kfYX.png
[13:56] <arora> pagios: Windows iso?
[14:01] <pagios> when you use dd command in luinyux to create the iso it creates it as legacy?
[14:02] <mjayk> pagios, dd wont work with the new windows iso i believe
[14:04] <pagios> mjayk, its win7
[14:04] <pagios> not new
[14:07] <mjayk> ah ok my bad, im sorry
[14:16] <ble> Hello ':]~ wich is the lightest, xfce or lxde?
[14:16] <yeats> ble: lxde, but both are light
[14:16] <blezudo> nice
[14:16] <blezudo> thanks
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> ble: depends also on the machine really, i had some cases where xubuntu performed better then lubuntu
[14:19] <blezudo> lotuspsychje: but, what it means? hardware?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> blezudo: yes, depends on the hardware/machine
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> blezudo: but in most cases lubuntu is the lightest
[14:22] <blezudo> lotuspsychje: ok thanks
[14:23] <dviola> hi, compiz is crashing for me on the latest ubuntu LTS, I get this on dmesg: https://gist.github.com/diegoviola/ef83824fc9fbddc67af0d9e75f519621
[14:23] <dviola> it looks like a kernel issue
[14:23] <dviola> is there a way to upgrade the kernel to the latest one? or is it better if I upgrade to 17.10?
[14:27] <dviola> any ideas?
[14:28] <TJ-> dviola: which kernel verision is the system using currently?
[14:29] <dviola> 4.10.x, I'm not currently on that system
[14:29] <dviola> all updates are applied
[14:30] <TJ-> dviola: the timestamps are about 4 1/2 minutes apart, were the messages definitely related to the same event?
[14:31] <TJ-> I've seen similar messages reported, and myself at times, with Intel i965 (and similar with nouveau too)
[14:31] <dviola> TJ-: probably not, but I had this *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun issue on archlinux with older kernel versions and I know it's fixed on latest kernels
[14:32] <TJ-> dviola: have you tried the hwe-edge kernel (4.13) ?
[14:32] <dviola> not yet, how do I get the latest kernel on ubuntu?
[14:32] <Orvalvisje> about the bugs (in BIOS) with lenovo in the 17.10 version, does it only occur in the 17.10 or are there records of problems with the 17.04?
[14:32] <TJ-> dviola: e.g. linux-image-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge
[14:33] <dviola> TJ-: no, I haven't tried that
[14:33] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: only 17.10, because in that release the Ubuntu kernel shipped a faulty driver module that causes the issue. That module wasn't shipped in earlier kernels
[14:33] <dviola> is there a simple way to upgrade kernels?
[14:33] <Orvalvisje> TJ, so updating 16.04 to 17.04 should be ok then?
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Orvalvisje: any reason you want to go to non-lts?
[14:34] <Orvalvisje> not particular, no, just to have the latest version, i suppose
[14:35] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: I'd stick with 16.04 LTS, just use the hardware enablement kernels/Xorg if you want more recent hardware support
[14:35] <maxlatern[m]> non lts is beta dont let them fool you
[14:35] <Orvalvisje> and if i stay with the 16 version, is it worth it to go to 16.10?
[14:35] <TJ-> !hwe | Orvalvisje
[14:36] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: stay with 16.04, use hwe, and wait for 18.04.1 LTS to do a release upgrade
[14:38] <nsh> is there a simple way to check the PAGE_OFFSET for your kernel build?
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> maxlatern[m]: what do you mean by that?
[14:46] <apb1963> 16.04: Anyone have a link to the current recommended method of setting up a NIC as an access point?
[14:47] <apb1963> There's far too much info out there to know what's current and what's ancient history... and what's ancient history warmed over.
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: this what you look for? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[14:48] <apb1963> well... ad-hoc isn't quite an access point...
[14:49] <apb1963> oh but it's a hot spot that you linked to.  OK, let me read that
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint
[14:49] <apb1963> better :)  thank you
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> apb1963: are you on desktop or server?
[14:51] <apb1963> hmm... that looks like it was written for 14.04
[14:51] <apb1963> desktop at the moment, but I want to set it up as a server
[14:51] <erwyn> hello
[14:51] <apb1963> hello
[14:51] <erwyn> I just stumbled upon snap packages
[14:52] <erwyn> I tried to install a package using it `sudo snap install vectr`
[14:52] <erwyn> how do I launch the app afterwards?
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: is it GUI?
[14:53] <erwyn> lotuspsychje: yes it is a vector graphics editor
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: then it should make you an icon
[14:54] <erwyn> lotuspsychje: well, I don't find it in my apps list
[14:54] <pauljw> may have to logout and back in for the menu entry to be there.  erwyn
[14:54] <erwyn> oh ok
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: you can also try launch from terminal, see if your icon pops up
[14:55] <matti> Hi there! Anyone from the Ubuntu's kernel team?
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> !ask | matti
[14:55] <erwyn> lotuspsychje: tried to issue a `vectr` but no command available
[14:55] <erwyn> where are they usually located?
[14:56] <erwyn> I don't have anything regarding it in my .local/share/applications
[14:56] <matti> OK, then lotuspsychje ... here is my question.
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: try whereis vectr in terminal
[14:58] <matti> I want to know what is different between -generic and -aws Kernel images/packages built by Canonical/Ubuntu, so that I can understand whether this is a patch there or simple Kconfig option, so that I can replicate the same setup for my custom 4.14.11 build for AWS.
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> matti: TJ- might know that one
[15:00] <apb1963> lotuspsychje, I've actually been leaning towards using this link... https://askubuntu.com/questions/180733/how-to-setup-an-access-point-mode-wi-fi-hotspot/180734#180734 it references 16.04, whereas the other link is talking about setting "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" which I believe is ancient history now, yes?
[15:00] <matti> lotuspsychje: OK!
[15:00] <erwyn> lotuspsychje: ok tried to log out but no change
[15:00] <matti> TJ-: Hi there! Do you happen to know what difference is between -generic and -aws for the kernel images?
[15:00] <erwyn> where are they supposed to be installed?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: think snaps are getting /loop dir or so
[15:01] <JeroenD07> hi guys !
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: try a df -h
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: welcome, what can we do for you?
[15:02] <erwyn> lotuspsychje: oh ok
[15:02] <matti> apb1963: This sysctl is not an ancient history, not at all.
[15:02] <JeroenD07> i'm a xubuntu user, and currently i've got a new pc with my old hd as boot disk with my data... i've got a SSD also but not yet configured yet
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: you sure packagename is vectr and not snap-vectr or so?
[15:03] <JeroenD07> how do i configure the ssd so it's booting first?
[15:03] <pauljw> erwyn, maybe this will help?: https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: depends also on how its connected
[15:03] <apb1963> matti, Thank you.  You have substantial experience with setting up an access point?
[15:03] <pos> deb has released a meltdown kernel update, spectre to come later. will ubuntu ship one/either/both today?
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | pos
[15:03] <pos> yeah, cause usn is usually a day behind
[15:04] <erwyn> lotuspsychje: ok found it, but it is supposed to create shortucts itself no?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: is it connected both hd's sata in your bios?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> erwyn: if its a GUI app yes
[15:04] <JeroenD07> it's a brand new pc so i dont know yet
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: did you connect ssd yourself?
[15:04] <matti> apb1963: I do, but I am about to go back to work to solve some problem.
[15:04] <JeroenD07> nope the pc shop, i can see the SSD in Gparted
[15:05] <matti> apb1963: I recommend you search/Google for "hostapd ubuntu" or something along these lines.
[15:05] <matti> apb1963: There are people using Linux as AP with great success.
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: and what do you want? singleboot ubuntu or dualboot?
[15:05] <JeroenD07> singleboot
[15:05] <erwyn> pauljw: sadly not, it only explains how to install stuff. But maybe I'm trying a bad package...
[15:05] <apb1963> matti, yeah, both links reference it.   But, they do it very differently.
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: ok first you need to set uefi settings= fastboot=off secureboot=off and IDE to AHCI in bios then install ubuntu on your first booted ssd device
[15:06] <apb1963> matti, and it's pretty obvious a lot of pages are ancient history warmed over.  Whether or not it's the "right" way to do it for 16.04 remains a mystery.
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: you can use the other hd as data drive
[15:06] <JeroenD07> @lotus i do have a Sata600 drive no IDE
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: if you dont got the ied to ahci option, np nvm that step
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> ide
[15:07] <JeroenD07> i've bleeped up my amd system without ssd now a I3
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> matti: perhaps the #ubuntu-devel guys might know your question
[15:08] <JeroenD07> would it be a good idea to get some home help from the shop?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: help for what?
[15:09] <JeroenD07> i'm a hardware and bios noob
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> JeroenD07: its really not so hard mate, just find these 2 settings: fastboot & secureboot=disabled
[15:10] <JeroenD07> okay, and what about installing the os on ssd and the bootstuff on my current disk?
[15:10] <JeroenD07> does it interfere with the boot sequence?
[15:11] <TJ-> matti: I was looking for the public git repo but looks like there isn't one. This is a good overview with links to the linux-aws source package on LP though https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/ubuntu-on-aws-gets-serious-performance-boost-with-aws-tuned-kernel/
[15:12] <matti> TJ-: I saw that, I even looked at e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-aws/4.4.0-1045.54
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | JeroenD07
[15:13] <matti> TJ-: The problem is - the Insights do not really explain what it is that is being done to the sources.
[15:13] <JeroenD07> thanks guys !
[15:14] <TJ-> matti: you can extract the linux-aws source tarball on top of the ubuntu-<release> or mainline git repo and then examine the diffs
[15:14] <matti> TJ-: I did. But there are way to many changes from Debian/Canonical, and I am not sure/certain which is what.
[15:14] <TJ-> matti: It is a pain there doesn't seem to be a public git repo for it
[15:14] <matti> Indeed.
[15:15] <TJ-> matti: -aws is part of the value-add from Canonical, so they want users to buy the Advantage support I guess
[15:15] <matti> True.
[15:16] <matti> What I am trying to do, is to build 4.14.11 for 16.04 we run to mitigate recent Intel bugs-o-rama.
[15:16] <matti> I have it up and runing for -generic.
[15:16] <matti> Which is super easy to do.
[15:16] <TJ-> matti: oh hang on, I'm talking out of my rear end! Here, it's a branch "aws" in the main ubuntu-<release> repo! see e.g. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-meta.git/log/?h=aws
[15:17] <TJ-> matti: and http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git/log/?h=aws
[15:17] <matti> Sadly, I have no idea what -aws contains some magic.. I am trying to chase.
[15:17] <matti> Checking.
[15:17] <TJ-> matti: you can add those into your local git repo using 'git remote'
[15:18] <matti> TJ-: I know :)
[15:18] <TJ-> matti: good to know someone does!
[15:18] <matti> This is going to be more involved that I would hope it would.
[15:19] <PentagramMonster> exit
[15:19] <matti> TJ-: Haha. I heard servers and break CI for the living.
[15:19] <matti> Hmm.
[15:19] <matti> herd*
[15:20] <matti> Actually.
[15:20] <TJ-> I herd you do :p
[15:20] <matti> TJ-: Do you happen to know if Canonical is going to release kernels with these recent CVEs fixed?
[15:20] <de-facto> cant the patches in question be identified and tried to apply to the kernel source in question to determine if they get rejected due to already being present?
[15:20] <matti> TJ-: Sorry, I have cap sleeping half on my notebook half on me, so I type with one hand ;p
[15:21] <TJ-> matti: oh, yes, there is a mad scramble to get it done
[15:21] <matti> de-facto: Are you talking to us (me and TJ?)
[15:21] <matti> TJ-: I can imagine...
[15:22] <TJ-> matti: the early lifting of the embargo was unexpected, the aim is to get the releases out by the original date (9th) if not sooner
[15:22] <matti> TJ-: I think the cat got out of the bag before anyone expected...
[15:23] <matti> TJ-: Do you happen to know, if this is going to be cherry-pick and back-port to all the LTS et al images, or are they going to move to 4.14.11?
[15:23] <TJ-> The KPTI patches aren't easy to backport since many of them rely on other upstream changes for 4.15/4.14 that aren't in Ubuntu kernel releases (v4.13, v4.10, v4.4 etc) and require a LOT of work with both build and integration testing
[15:23] <TJ-> matti: backport, always
[15:23] <matti> TJ-: Going to 4.14.11 would be a nice bonus of having the PTI and newer image.
[15:24] <matti> TJ-: Yes, precisely. It must be a real pain... PAIN to back-port these.
[15:24] <TJ-> matti: Once the Bionic kernel is settled that'll become an HWE option
[15:24] <matti> Between 3.13 and 4.15 is a while sea of chanfes
[15:25] <matti> TJ-: HWE would not be a good option on AWS.
[15:25] <de-facto> matti, yes just a quick idea though migh result in a patch dependency hell though
[15:25] <matti> TJ-: I can already install the 4.14.11 I have on AWS - and it does in fact work, but I wanted to get the "magic changes" and/or "perfomance boost" you get from Canonical's AWS branch.
[15:25] <matti> :)
[15:26] <TJ-> matti: well you should be able to apply the .config changes easily enough
[15:26] <TJ-> matti: the tuning patches will be more 'interesting' I expect
[15:26] <matti> TJ-: True, but aside of few options there there is hardly any difference.
[15:26] <matti> TJ-: The magic sauce is well guarded.
[15:27] <matti> de-facto: True, but that is a purgatory-ish experience to go through from 3.13 to 4.14/4.15
[15:27] <matti> de-facto: I don't envy the kernel team at Canonical now
[15:27] <matti> They need a big hug and supply of hot beverages now
[15:27] <matti> ;]
[15:28] <de-facto> yes thats very true
[15:31] <Snake> is anyone here ?
[15:31] <matti> Yes
[15:31] <Snake> so how do i check the size of my usb ?
[15:32] <Snake> Available space on my usb ?
[15:34] <matti> Snake: Is it plugged in?
[15:34] <matti> Snake: df -h or some graphical window manager should have similar functionality.
[15:35] <Snake> Yes
[15:35] <Snake> using terminal
[15:35] <jk^> help https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LFN9EEr01Ssx6_RpxiTdDemL_JqeI8re
[15:35] <Snake> how to check available space of my usb using terminal
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> Snake: matti just told you howto
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> !it | jk^
[15:36] <Snake> yes, I think it's on my end that has slower connection sorry
[15:37] <jk^> lotuspsychje, jk^> mi da quest'errore il gestore archivi
[15:37] <jk^> * #ubuntu-it :Cannot send to channel
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> jk^: are you registered?
[15:38] <de-facto> Snake, when plugged in you can run "dh -h" in a terminal to see which size the device reported to the kernel. If you dont trust that number (e.g. size fraud, wrong advertised size) you might want to verify with something like http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ that it actually stores data on all of the advertised size
[15:39] <jk^> lotuspsychje, yes
[15:40] <eraserpencil> hey guys, is ssh a secure protocol?
[15:40] <jer> eraserpencil, as secure as you make it
[15:41] <eraserpencil> jer: could you elaborate?
[15:42] <jer> sure, the protocol can use multiple encryption algorithms, some are better than others, both are reasonably secure. additionally, you'll have two keys, don't go sharing your private key as an example, that's what the public key is for :)
[15:42] <jer> my point is, the answer to your question is yes, but only if you don't do stupid things
[15:43] <eraserpencil> reason i asked was because a manager i once interviewed with laughed at ssh as a means of secure remote connection
[15:43] <jk^> lotuspsychje, yes i'm registered and identified
[15:43] <eraserpencil> didnt have the chance to ask him why
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> jk^: then you should be able to talk in #ubuntu-it
[15:44] <jk^> no, i'd not
[15:44] <jk^> i'm not able
[15:44] <jk^> however the error is in english "Fatal error"
[15:45] <Snake> thanks guys
[15:45] <jk^> mi da errore il gestore archivi https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LFN9EEr01Ssx6_RpxiTdDemL_JqeI8re
[15:45] <jk^> * #ubuntu-it :Cannot send to channel
[15:45] <jk^> lotuspsychje,
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> jk^: you have been muted in that channel
[15:46] <jk^> why am i muted? i haven't done anything wrong :\
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> jk^: perhaps you trolled there too much?
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> jk^: anyway, we cant help you in italian here.. only english
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> jk^: fatal error of what?
[15:49] <jk^> archive manager on lubuntu
[15:49] <jk^> i never trolled
[15:49] <jk^> the message says: "It happens an error during archive loading"
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> jk^: have you tried uninstall archive manager and reinstall?
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> jk^: what kind of archive are you packing/unpacking?
[15:50] <jk^> .rar
[15:51] <jk^> lotuspsychje,
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> jk^: a good rar archive or a bad one?
[15:51] <jk^> good
[15:51] <jk^> on xubuntu it was working well
[15:51] <jk^> after initial errors even there
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> jk^: did you sudo apt install rar or unrar?
[15:53] <jk^> lotuspsychje, i don't understand :\
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> jk^: open a terminal: sudo apt install rar
[15:53] <jk^> i'm just using default archive manager, already installed on operating system
[15:53] <jk^> what is rar? which app? lotuspsychje ?
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> !info rar | jk^
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> jk^: try the command plz, tell me what it says
[15:55] <jetsaredim> is there any way to get Vino to just accept incoming connections from all networks and not have to approve for every new network?
[15:55] <jer> anyone recommend a decent graphical diff? i'm used to kaelidoscope on macos if that helps =] (i'm also not unfamiliar with diff(1) but just not the ui i would prefer)
[15:59] <matti> jer: The closest I think I used to Kaleidoscope was http://meldmerge.org/
[15:59] <matti> jer: Maybe there are better now on Linux.
[15:59] <matti> jer: These days I just use vimdiff :)
[16:00] <Dagronmaster> ediff (via emacs) is my favorite
[16:00] <jim_wyatt> IntelliJ or any of the JetBrains IDEs has a great visual diff/merge
[16:00] <Dagronmaster> not "graphical" as such
[16:00] <jer> matti, thanks, yeah thought about vimdiff but i use small terminals and these are large changes
[16:01] <sdfgsdfg> vimdiff sucks balls
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> sdfgsdfg: plz keep language familly friendly here
[16:01] <jk^> !info rar
[16:01] <jk^> !unrar
[16:01] <matti> jer: I totally get it.
[16:01] <sdfgsdfg> why ? there are no families on irc
[16:01] <RonWhoCares> Guys when I do this command:    sudo python3 -m venv python3    I am getting the error message       Error: [Errno 40] Too many levels of symbolic links
[16:01] <sdfgsdfg> this is for real men
[16:02] <SlowJimmy> !info window-manager
[16:02] <skinux> It seems Ubuntu is crashing upon getting ot login screen. I can't move mouse or use keyboard at alogin. How can I fix this?
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | sdfgsdfg start here
[16:02] <matti> jer: A friend of mine uses p4merge (from the Perforce guys) which is IIRC free
[16:02] <SlowJimmy> !x
[16:02] <SlowJimmy> !kernel
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > SlowJimmy
[16:03] <SlowJimmy> ok
[16:04] <skinux> If login is freezing instantly, but I can operate using recovery, do I need to reinstall xserver?
[16:04] <jk^> lotuspsychje, it's in progress
[16:04] <jk^> but i don't understand the name of the app to search it in the menus
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> skinux: start from the beginning: hi, my ubuntu version is..and i want...these are my steps taken?
[16:05] <skinux> Ubuntu Xenial
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> jk^: whats in progress?
[16:05] <SlowJimmy> how can I have Ubuntu start with bluetooth disabled instead of enabled by default?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> skinux: so you installed ubuntu 16.04 and are stuck where?
[16:06] <skinux> I want to be able to login, but it freezes instantly it seems. I've tried rebooting, I tried recovery console which worked.
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> skinux: did you try restart lightdm yet?
[16:06] <skinux> Well, I assumed restarting the machine a few times would have done that.
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> skinux: try anyway as a test?
[16:07] <skinux> Sure. How do I do it? I'll have to reboot from here
[16:07] <skinux> I mean out of Windows.
[16:08] <skinux> I'll jump on IRC on my tablet.
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> skinux: sudo service restart lightdm
[16:08] <SlowJimmy> skinux: how do you type on your tablet?
[16:08] <skinux> I have a keyboard for my tablet
[16:08] <SlowJimmy> ah
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> skinux: i think you could disable the BT service
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> SlowJimmy: ^
[16:09] <skinux> BT?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> skinux: not fore you sorry
[16:09] <SlowJimmy> i understood...
[16:09] <SlowJimmy> ty
[16:09] <SlowJimmy> how do i do that exactly?
[16:09] <SlowJimmy> is there a config file to change
[16:09] <SlowJimmy> a setting to correct?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> SlowJimmy: startup items, but you need to add a line to see them all holdon
[16:09] <jk^> lotuspsychje, i typed "sudo apt install rar" in terminal. It's in progress, but it has stopped on 83%
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> SlowJimmy: in terminal: sudo sed -i "s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g" /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> SlowJimmy: and the whole list will showup
[16:11] <SlowJimmy> ty friend!
[16:11] <SlowJimmy> much apreciated
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> SlowJimmy: np, lemme know if it worked
[16:12] <jk^> lotuspsychje,  https://pastebin.com/raw/KRw2e0ZN
[16:13] <jk^> Avanzamento: [ 83%] [####################################################################################................]
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> jk^: close terminal and try again
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> jk^: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[16:14] <jk^> lotuspsychje, excuse me, which is the name of the app that this command install?
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> jk^: rar
[16:16] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/dGub2cWM
[16:16] <jk^> i can't fin an app named "rar" in the menus" .\
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> jk^: rightmouse click your rar archive and choose 'extract here'
[16:18] <jk^> lotuspsychje, thanks now it works, but i don't understand what is "rar" that u make me install :|
[16:18] <monk12> EriC^^ + atrus: btw u guys were helping me a bit yesterday. just wanted to say i manually updated Ubuntu via a LiveUSB to 16.04. I simpfied my partitions a bit, so got rid of /boot and just had /, /home, and swap.
[16:18] <analogical> has Ubuntu been patched against the new Intel bugs (Meltdown/Spectre) ??
[16:19] <nacc> !kpti > analogical
[16:19] <monk12> For the part where Ubuntu asks where to install (i think i could have chosen the drive as someone suggested, ... or the efi boot partition.. i did latter and that worked. i saw on the efi partition after, there was an entry for windows and ubuntu in the EFI/ folder.
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> jk^: i already pasted you the rar packagename
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> !info rar > jk^
[16:19] <monk12> now can switch between WIndows Boot Loader or the Ubuntu grub one (which has both windows and ubuntu listed) at startup on my UEFI laptop.
[16:20] <skinux> I'll be back on my tablet
[16:21] <skinux> I'm back
[16:21] <irc_server> hello
[16:21] <monk12> i think the UEFI+ efi partition kinda makes things easier than the old BIOS/MBR way.
[16:22] <jk^> lotuspsychje, "This program is shareware and you must register it after 40 days of use."
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> jk^: ...your not on windows here
[16:24] <skinux> I just tried failsafe graphics mode, it crashes and sends me back to special options menu
[16:25] <jk^> lotuspsychje, what means?
[16:25] <jk^> is it shareware just for windows?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> jk^: means rar from ubuntu repos is official and not shareware
[16:25] <jk^> ok thanks
[16:25] <jk^> good evening :)
[16:26] <skinux> I dopped to root shell prompt, restarted lightdm, it says it cound not start lightdm, and now it saying starting lightdm
[16:26] <skinux> Oops. It says stopped lightdm
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> skinux: is this a fresh install? did it work before? details plz
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> skinux: graphics card? driver?
[16:29] <skinux> No, it's been woring for months
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> skinux: so, what did you do to break?
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> skinux: update? reboot?
[16:29] <skinux> This morning I woke up to a black svreen, had to do a hard reset. Now lightdm isn't working\
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> skinux: wich point release are you on?
[16:30] <skinux> Umm..command to check that?
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> lsb_release -a
[16:31] <skinux> 16.04.3
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> skinux: ok good, what about kernel? uname -a ?
[16:31] <EriC^^> monk12: great, yeah i like uefi better
[16:31] <skinux> 4.10.0-42-generic
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> skinux: your on hwe?
[16:32] <skinux> How do I know?
[16:32] <alkisg> Yeah that's hwe
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> kk
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> skinux: can you try booting a previous kernel to test?
[16:32] <skinux> I aleady tried that, same thing
[16:32] <alkisg> also, does the guest login work?
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> skinux: graphics chipset and driver?
[16:33] <skinux> I cant do anything with login. I cannot change to guest
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> skinux: sudo lshw -C video
[16:34] <skinux> Mullins Radeon R4/R5
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> skinux: driver= ?
[16:34] <skinux> It doesnt say
[16:34] <m0j0dj0dj0> Hi, what is the best way to get 2 different colors with grep (like failure=red and success=green) on 2 pattern match (like OK/KO) from the same output ?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> skinux: it should at bottom driver= unless your card is unclaimed?
[16:35] <skinux> Oh, is does say unclaimed at the top
[16:35] <skinux> *-display UNCLAIMED
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> skinux: ubuntu-drivers list ?
[16:36] <skinux> amd64-microcode
[16:36] <klemax> When will cve-2017-5715 fix be released for ubuntu 17.10?
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> klemax: lenovo bug?
[16:37] <klemax> The vulnerability in intel chips which discovered by google
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | klemax
[16:37] <adman120> also in amd chips
[16:37] <adman120> how do i get username@hostname instead of just $
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | adman120
[16:38] <alkisg> skinux: to see if it's a user issue or a system issue, add a new user from vt1, and try to login with that one
[16:38] <adman120> lot can u exlplain to me how this happened and what it is, im trying to understand more
[16:38] <skinux> So, if it's graphics not working, why do I get the loading screen, but cant do anything at login?
[16:39] <skinux> How will i select the other user if I cant do anything at login?
[16:39] <adman120> lotuspschje?
[16:39] <Reventlov> Hi.
[16:40] <Reventlov> Is it possible to use steam with ubuntu and the nvidia (64 bit) proprietary drivers?
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> Reventlov: steam can be used on any working driver on your system
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> Reventlov: 32bit or 64bit depends on your ubuntu version installed
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> skinux: have you tried nomodeset?
[16:43] <Reventlov> lotuspsychje: I'm using 64 bits ubuntu. Problem is, steam seems to use the libgl1-mesa so
[16:44] <Reventlov> resulting in a glXChooseVisual failed at start.
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> skinux: perhaps your logs might show why driver failed?
[16:45] <Yuji> Anyone else ever have issues trying to install to an external USB3/3.1 drive? As soon as the installer creates the ext4 / on the disk (33%) it stops responding to the host. Linux-related. Tried booting Live USB with usb autosuspend off (is off, checked), but it doesn't help. dmesg (snipped): https://pastebin.com/QWArqaLP
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: wich to wich are you trying?
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !steam | Reventlov
[16:48] <skinux> Well, restarting lightdm didn't do anything
[16:48] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: I do not understand, what do you mean?
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: i mean usb to sd? usb to usb?
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> skinux: nomodeset?
[16:48] <skinux> I tried using KVM with no solution.
[16:49] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: ? Live USB (UEFI) booted, with SecureBoot+FastBoot off, trying to install to a different USB3 drive.
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: ok tnx
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: wich ubuntu/kernelm version?
[16:51] <skinux> nothing is working...lightdm seems to have a big issue\
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | skinux
[16:51] <skinux> Why do  I need that? I've been going for months without it.
[16:52] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Kubuntu (Ubuntu same problem) 17.10 (even 16.X), stable kernels. 4.13.0-16-generic for this 17.10.
[16:52] <Reventlov> lotuspsychje: well, yeah, I still get the error
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1624917
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: seems it can be solved by blacklisting UAS
[16:54] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: I did disable USB-Auto-Suspending, but it still persists.
[16:54] <Reventlov> and, lotuspsychje
[16:54] <Reventlov> >Last edition  2015-01-13 01:50:46
[16:54] <Reventlov> so, yeah, this is not up to date
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> Reventlov: talk to the #ubuntu-steam guys perhaps?
[16:55] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Autosuspend reports -1, disabled (so the workaround has failed apparently).
[16:55] <jmpf> i have a disk image that I can dd to a virtual drive in virtualbox and everything is fine, I tried dd'ng the same image to a real drive on a hp proliant and now i'm getting a grub msg about /grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found - when I ls the root fs (from grub) I can only see the root folders too - any idea on what I'm missing?
[16:55] <skinux> root shell after a couple minutes goes tio doing something and AppArmor fails to start
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: how about other ubuntu versions/kernels?
[16:56] <skinux> And now, back at the special menu the keyboard won't work\
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> skinux: did you try recoverymode?
[16:57] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: I tried the LiveCDs/USBs for 17.X, 16.X, and 15.X. All have this problem. I tried another distro and theirs installed.
[16:57] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: (It was LM18.3).
[16:57] <skinux> Yes. That's what I;ve  been doing. However, just notived, internal keyboard technically works, but internal keyboard doesn't really work (that's why I have USB)
[16:58] <skinux> Good lord. USB was working, just not menu selection keys
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: subscribe to the bug mate, and enter your story
[17:01] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: I figured it might come to that, yeah.
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: versions tested, uac doesnt fix,mint fixxed
[17:01] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Mint could have been a lucky run though, so I'd have to test that more.
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: have you tried other media to install to?
[17:02] <Yuji> Any non-USB3 drive, and they'll work fine.
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: connected to the usb3 port?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: another idea, might talk to the ##hardware guys about that, they might have an idea
[17:03] <skinux> dbus-core error connecting to system bus org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound Failed to connect to socket /var/run/ststem_bus_socket
[17:03] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: No, nothing can be installed to, if it is on a USB port (of any kind). The devices I have are all USB3/3.1 and Ubuntu will not install to any of them, even if they're on USB 2.0 ports.
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: what usb brand is this?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> skinux: if nothing works...reinstall fresh 3min
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> 30
[17:05] <Yuji> I can't recall at the moment, Media-something for this latest device. It is an external RAID enclosure using ASM1352R-Fast chipset. Though I've also tried using JBOD/RAID1/0/Disk mode.
[17:05] <Yuji> Manufacturer shows ASMT.
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: did you test the other way around, use the faulty usb to setup and the other to install to?
[17:07] <skinux> did you guys get the error I provided?
[17:08] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: I've tried various combinations. I even used a Windows install to Rufus Ubuntu to the USB3 drive, and used it to install to an internal SATA drive. Windows can read/write the drive all day long as a generic USB disk (no special drivers). But if I use any USB external as a target OR host, it fails.
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: alot of bugs out there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1591521
[17:08] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Yeah, I've been using Windows lately because of it. :(
[17:09] <skinux> What does it mean that freedesktop cannot find system_bus_socket?
[17:09] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: The drive apparently is branded "Mediasonic" but Linux shows ASMT manuf, ASM1352R-Fast as product.
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: tested on another machine also?
[17:10] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Yes, two others, a NAS, and a laptop. They're fine if using Windows. Linux, fails. :(
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: hmm not good
[17:11] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Yeah I've been trying for over a week. Last time I tried a few months ago.
[17:11] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Odd thing maybe, that my one SanDisk USB 3.0 128GB Pro works fine. It's a USB 3.0 thumb drive with SSD behind it driving the actual storage.
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: just out of curiosity what format is it fat32?
[17:12] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: The Live USB? Fat32, yeah.
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: sounds like a brand issue to me
[17:13] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Perhaps but it works fine with Windows and my NAS's Linux (QNAP-based, so way too modified to really compare).
[17:13] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: (If I put Ubuntu on the NAS instead, fails to install to the USB3 drive)
[17:13] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Seems specific to Linux's interacting the device. Not sure why.
[17:15] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: I've noticed that the drive, when it stops responding to Linux (or Linux stops being able to see it/whatever) it still blinks its IO-access light.
[17:16] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: And it won't stop until I've disconnected it from the PC. Not sure what goes on to make that happen.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: hastebin.com a tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugout/plugin that usb
[17:19] <skinux> I guess I just have to reinstall...
[17:19] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Kubuntu has already disabled the host from the install, I won't be able to see a plugin/plugout, and syslog has entries completely unrelated except to say it couldn't find the disk (/dev/sda) anymore for cleanup.
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: i mean cant you catch logs from a live or so?
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: would like to see the usb's output
[17:20] <dviola> how do I upgrade to ubuntu 17.10?
[17:20] <dviola> from 17.04
[17:20] <hurdman> Hello, i have got a problem. If i use an openvpn connection from my ubuntu to my ubuntu desktop, the default route on the desktop have 0.0.0.0 as gateway on tap0 , if i want to remove this route, i can't, if i want to add a new default route with my openvpn server adress, route add doesn't send any error, but the route isn't add
[17:20] <hurdman> any idea ?
[17:20] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: I had already tried to install and it already killed the device on this run. I can restart in a moment.
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> dviola: you got a lenovo?
[17:21] <dviola> lotuspsychje: no
[17:21] <skinux> I just noticed it's already using nomodeset
[17:21] <dviola> compiz is crashing a lot on 17.04 for me
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !upgrade | dviola
[17:21] <skinux> And gdm doesnt work either
[17:23] <dviola> compiz doesn't work so I can't access that upgrade program
[17:23] <dviola> it crashes a lot
[17:23] <dax> dviola: do you have working command-line with working internet?
[17:23] <dviola> yes
[17:23] <dax> sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:23] <dviola> I tried that
[17:23] <dviola> it says there is nothing to upgrade
[17:23] <dax> hrm
[17:24] <dviola> not sure how this happened, everything was ok yesterday
[17:24] <BluesKaj> dviola, read the urls posted above by ubottu
[17:24] <dax> dviola: lsb_release -a says zesty/17.04, not artful/17.10?
[17:24] <pos> are kernel updates out by now?
[17:25] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Created a dmesg and syslog log before. Anything else to capture before I try?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> dv alway upghrade your existing packages first before upgrading to a new OS
[17:26] <skinux> It cannot find system_bus_socket and it cannot load fbdev or vesa modules
[17:26] <BluesKaj> upgrade
[17:26] <dviola> Release: 16.04
[17:26] <dviola> Codename: xenial
[17:26] <dviola> dax: ^
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: no just the usb tail id like to see
[17:26] <yeats> pos: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/
[17:26] <dviola> Description: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[17:26] <dax> dviola: ah, then there's an extra step you need
[17:26] <dax> ubottu: upgradeofflts | dviola
[17:27] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: That would be lsusb -vd xxxx:xxxx, yeah?
[17:27] <yeats> pos: tl;dr version is "they should be available in the repos by 1/9"
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: no i mean just the syslog tail
[17:28] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Oh alright.
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: wanna see how it reacts on a plugin
[17:28] <pos> deb have patched meltdown (yesterday), spectre TBA
[17:28] <pos> as have redhat
[17:29] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Oh wait, without trying to install? I left it hooked up on boot. I'll have to reboot again then.
[17:29] <dviola> dax: thanks
[17:29] <yeats> pos: yeah - it dropped in fedora yesterday morning - Ubuntu's behind (reasons for that explained in post I linked to)
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: yeah just a simple tail -f /var/log/syslog on the device itself
[17:29] <skinux> I'm seeing in Xorg log, it cannot find and load any drivers.
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> skinux: try ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[17:31] <skinux> Well, that won't work eithe, no networking. I told it to enable and it said it couldn't.
[17:32] <growp> how do you do a pwd for a file
[17:32] <growp> like you want to pwd+the file name
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> skinux: what did you do to scramble your system like that?
[17:32] <skinux> I can't start network-manager and I need networking to fix  broken packages
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> skinux: recoverymode/fixbrokenpackages
[17:33] <skinux> Nothing. I woke up and the system was frozen, then it was fucked
[17:33] <rafael> hi
[17:33] <skinux> I just told you, I have no networking and network-manager won't start
[17:33] <K2L30GA2> growp: what do you mean?
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> skinux: reinstall..
[17:33] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: So you want me to start a tail -f /var/log/syslog and leave it open in console, plug in, until Kubuntu sees it, then unplug, wait a moment for anything to be flushed to log, then close tail?
[17:33] <skinux> The whole system is screwed isn't it?
[17:35] <skinux> I'll just reinstall the whole system. Thanks
[17:38] <BluesKaj> another satisfied customer...who doesn't listen
[17:38] <BluesKaj> or read
[17:39] <TJ-> skinux is famous for creating custom broken systems; I just hope the learning experience is sticking :)
[17:40] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/1tYTW9ii
[17:40] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Not sure if you got what you needed.
[17:41] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: The partition table gets wrote but after that is when it disconnects, the reason it still shows some fs allocation in the log.
[17:42] <BluesKaj> TJ-, yes, I've seen similar behaviour on his part in the past
[17:43] <TJ-> Yuji: what's the problem there? I see the system finds /dev/sdd
[17:46] <Yuji> TJ: Not sure how long you've been at PC, lotus has been assisting me to figure out why during install (any Kubuntu/Ubuntu 14+) it'll stop at 33% after writing partition table and then ends up not responding to the USB3 external disk that I'm trying to install to.
[17:47] <Yuji> TJ: I disabled USB Auto Suspend (confirmed disabled, -1), but it doesn't help. Mint works usually. More like "getting lucky with timing". Mint'll end up disconnecting the drive too, on boots, but then reconnects it and continues on its way. But I've been trying to get Ubuntu working. Meh.
[17:47] <Yuji> TJ: Mint is just a lucky case though. Sometimes it'll drop off at 70%+, sometimes 48%. DD is usually good for a long while.
[17:49] <Yuji> TJ: It is an external USB3.1 RAID (SSDs) enclosure (driverless though) and it works fine in Windows.
[17:49] <TJ-> Yuji: I know of issues with many 'cheap' (badly made) USB<>ATA converters... sustained writes (and reads) overheats them and they 'fall off' the bus
[17:49] <Yuji> TJ: Works fine in Windows, can read/write from beginning to end. I make full-disk images of it.
[17:49] <Yuji> TJ: It also doesn't get hot. Not even warm.
[17:54] <Yuji> TJ: lotuspsychje: It is working this time. Random. Hm. (Yes tried different cables (braided, shielded, nice ones)). Just got lucky I guess this time. Grabbed a tail before starting all this.
[17:55] <TJ-> Yuji: besides the log fragment showing it connecting/unplugged, is there a complete dmesg log from boot to when it fails available?
[17:55] <Yuji> Much earlier above, yes.
[17:56] <TJ-> Yuji: I'll grab all your comments and re-read then
[17:56] <Yuji> TJ: Thank you. :)
[17:57] <TJ-> yikes! 80 lines over the last 3 hours! give me a few minutes to catch up
[17:57] <jeremies> How to hibernate server automatically when not in use over network ?
[17:57] <Yuji> TJ: Not sure if it would be causing anything, but I have told my BIOS to disable its onboard SATA controller so that Linux and Windows never see one-another ever. Too many...grub-accidents. :)
[17:57] <Yuji> TJ: Of course. :)
[18:02] <oerheks> !kpti
[18:04] <TJ-> Yuji: the one thing, from your first pastebin, that stands out to me which I've seen before is "xHCI host controller not responding, assume dead" ... this is when the USB controller itself fails. I can't now find the other issues where we dealt with that to see if we got a resolution though
[18:05] <Yuji> TJ: Yeah, Ubiquity ends up writing the partition table (about all I can tell happens) and then the USB3 enclosure's IO of course lights up blinking...but stays blinking, even after Linux has already killed host.
[18:06] <Yuji> TJ: I literally have to yank the USB cable (after a few seconds the enclosure stops blinking its light in an auto-shutoff from no-host communication, for it to stop trying to communicate to Linux. But Linux never resets the host again, until reboot.
[18:06] <Yuji> TJ: This is also with a modified LiveUSB that disables auto-suspend etc. Doesn't help unfortunately.
[18:06] <TJ-> Yuji: does this happen if you try the same operation on other (different make/model) PCs ?
[18:07] <Yuji> TJ: Yes, even on a completely different USB3.0 chipset host. I've tried a QNAP NAS, my laptop, and this dev box.
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> Yuji, TJ- we see alot of those on faulty devices no? bus: 9, device: 4 was not an MTP device
[18:07] <TJ-> Yuji: right, so it looks like an incompatiblity for the ASM1352R
[18:08] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: Oh?
[18:08] <Yuji> TJ: Perhaps a usbcore quirk work-around available?
[18:08] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: that message is expected; when a USB mass storage device connects libmtp checks if it is an MTP device so as to auto-mount it (think Android phones)
[18:12] <sgautam> Guys, is there a window manager that's primarily designed to be console-ish?
[18:12] <TJ-> Yuji: I'm checking the kernel for any signs of very recent fixes for that chipset
[18:12] <sgautam> I mean, something like Ctrl+Alt+F1, but with the ability to run graphical applications
[18:12] <Yuji> TJ: That's what I forgot to do. I was all over the changes for the AMD 'obey guest PAT' patches. :)
[18:13] <admin__> HI
[18:13] <jtreminio> Howdy y'all. Is it best practice to add previous release' repo when wanting to grab a single package from it? For example, I'm on 16.04, want MySQL 5.6 which is on 14.04 universe repo; is it considered best practice to simply add that repo to my 16.04 server?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: i also suggest talking to the ##hardware guys abiut it, they might have a clue on that brand
[18:14] <admin__> SIGYN
[18:14] <BluesKaj> sgautam, i3 wm maybe
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !backports | jtreminio
[18:15] <Yuji> lotuspsychje: It's an Asmedia chipset ASM1352R as it appears in the device, and on product page.
[18:16] <oerheks> jtreminio, i guess not, build the package source on the newer version?
[18:16] <cloaks> Hey guys...I just bought an X1 Carbon and put Ubuntu on it. It runs pretty great, but the fonts are so small I can barely read it. Everything is really, really tiny actually. I know we pay more for a high res laptop screen, but on Windows everything looks great and scales well...on ubuntu it's almost unusable. Are there any tips for modifying this stuff or is Ubuntu just not setup to handle
[18:16] <cloaks> this?
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> Yuji: yeah saw that in your logs
[18:16] <sgautam> BluesKaj: That's almost perfect. Except, I kind of wanted movable windows and not a tiling manager.
[18:16] <sgautam> Sort of like the console runs in the background (always) while the windowed apps are in the front.
[18:16] <oerheks> cloaks, there is a scaling option in systemsettings > displays
[18:17] <BluesKaj> sgautam. think it has that option
[18:17] <cloaks> oerheks yes...but that only lets me scale it either to 100% or 200%...and the 200% is ridiculous.
[18:17] <cloaks> and there's no options in between
[18:17] <sgautam> BluesKaj: Alright. Thanks a lot. I'll read up on it.
[18:18] <cloaks> so I guess Ubuntu just isnt setup to work on modern equipment with higher resolutions by default...is there a guide on tweaking the fonts/display? Apparently 2560 x 1140 @ 16:9 can't be managed properly by default by Ubuntu
[18:19] <alkisg> !hidpi
[18:19] <alkisg> Eh. Anyway, most desktop environments aren't ready for hidpi, unrelated to distributions
[18:19] <TJ-> Yuji: the only thing/quirk I can find is related to the ASM1042A requiring flow control when USB Ethernet devices are connected, nothing else. I think it'd be a good idea to report a bug on the kernel bugzilla and then send an email to the sub-system discussion list: linux-usb@vger.kernel.org (open list:USB XHCI DRIVER)
[18:19] <alkisg> Gnome has done a few steps for that
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i found alot of UAC bugs on those errors
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: from his first logs
[18:21] <cloaks> alkisg, i'm on a laptop
[18:21] <Yuji> TJ: I could try. Never reported a bug myself before through official channels.
[18:21] <cloaks> so wait, ubuntu doesn't work with hidpi monitors?
[18:21] <cloaks> well?
[18:22] <cloaks> should I install something else?
[18:22] <cloaks> any guidance would be appreciated
[18:22] <cloaks> the information pool on this is terribly polluted
[18:22] <cloaks> making it very difficult to learn
[18:22] <oerheks> cloaks, maybe this answer works,https://askubuntu.com/a/902702 >>> ./xrandr --output eDP-1 --mode "2560x1140" --scale "1.25x1.25"
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: some like those: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1591521
[18:22] <cloaks> oerheks that's not really a good answer...it just cannabilizes my resolution
[18:23] <cloaks> I should be able to adjust font sizes without destroying the usability of the machine...
[18:23] <Yuji> TJ: lotuspsychje: One thing that comes to mind perhaps, is the cables. I've used several different kinds, but all from the same manufacturer. Supposedly decent, and I  have taken one apart. I do know that this drive won't work with a 5ft cable, but will with a 3ft. I might try a different brand and see if that makes a difference. It could all be for naught, though I have tested one other different-brand cable (USB2.0 in a USB-C factor,
[18:23] <Yuji> worked but slow of course...)
[18:23] <oerheks> cloaks, then i have no fix, fiddel around with gnome/unity-tweak perhaps?
[18:23] <cloaks> Not super familiar with linux
[18:24] <cloaks> tbh
[18:24] <cloaks> I don't really know what those are
[18:24] <cloaks> I wish this stuff were more new user friendly...I am tired of deving on Windows or OSX
[18:24] <oerheks> oh, not familiar but you can tell the answer is not good..
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-tweak-tool | cloaks
[18:24]  * oerheks facepalms
[18:25] <cloaks> I know...but telling me to go "tweak on gnome" to fix ubuntu not working with higher resolution monitors is le sigh of a retort
[18:25] <[n0mad]> cloaks: did you try settings > universal access > large text?
[18:25] <cloaks> lemme check
[18:25] <cloaks> i probably have
[18:26] <igor> hi
[18:26] <igor> where are you from
[18:26] <cloaks> yeah, I played with that earlier. It does make things look a little better...but the OS still looks beat. Icons are too small, browser buttons are weirdly tiny...font is readable, but this isn't competing with OSX or Windows in terms of usability. The graphical elements of the OS are all out of alignment with one another because nothing else has scaled except font sizes. It just looks very,
[18:26] <cloaks> very low quality.
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> !chat | igor
[18:27] <akik> cloaks: you can override the dpi value coming from the monitor but in their great wisdom gnome overrides it and sets it to 96
[18:28] <cloaks> akik, I am not sure how to do that, what that means, or why it's important. Sorry.
[18:29] <cloaks> at about 170% zoom fonts on webpages become readable
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> cloaks: https://askubuntu.com/questions/60044/how-do-i-change-the-font-dpi-settings
[18:29] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Yuji I'm looking at the bug reports, seeing if I can pin down any changes
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> dconf editor, gnome tweak tool, universal access..
[18:29] <cloaks> lotuspsychje this is a guide from 2011
[18:29] <cloaks> do you think it still applies?
[18:29] <Yuji> TJ: Thank you. :)
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> cloaks: try?
[18:30] <cloaks> lotuspsychje all of the pictures in the thing you sent me don't represent the current OS. For example, under display they have tons of text size options that aren't available now under Universal Access. Actually, there are tons of things here that aren't the same with Ubuntu's modern offerings.
[18:30] <cloaks> lol
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> cloaks: 2016: https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/HiDpi
[18:31] <Yuji> cloaks: Sometimes things aren't updated. o.o World changes a lot. :)
[18:31] <cloaks> I hear ya...
[18:31] <cloaks> I am just used to OSX or Windows just looking mostly great out of the box
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> cloaks: when something doesnt work out of the bog= !bug please
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> box
[18:31] <cloaks> 4 days later I am still beating my head against my desk just trying to make ubuntu usable, not even look good..but just able to be useful. And it's on a carbon x1, which is a classic ubuntu computer. So I don't even know.
[18:32] <Yuji> cloaks: Yeah, Linux isn't perfect, but it is typically free, open, no nazi spying, etc. :) I myself am trying to go full-time Linux for development. Unreal Engine is the last hold-out for me. :) I'd just like a native PPA/repo and I'd be all set myself.
[18:32] <cloaks> Good man
[18:32] <cloaks> they need it
[18:32] <cloaks> open computing systems like Ubuntu are so important for the future of our planet
[18:33] <cloaks> But only if they work
[18:33] <K2L30GA2> cloaks: What resolution is your X1C sitting at? IIRC isn't it 1920x1080? Or are there different display options?
[18:33] <cloaks> 2560
[18:33] <Yuji> cloaks: Not to mention all games in Linux practically seem to try to take up every monitor instead of the distros providing a way to setup displays for spanning/separation. I prefer only one monitor for a game, but others like spanning. No easy way to separate. :)
[18:33] <cloaks> 2560 x 1440 @ 16:9
[18:33] <K2L30GA2> cloaks: Are you on Ubuntu 17.10? Doesn't Gnome do HIDPI display OOTB?
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> cloaks: there are like 100 guides on the web on it: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2911509/how-to-make-linuxs-desktop-look-good-on-high-resolution-displays.html
[18:34] <cloaks> thanks lotuspsychje
[18:34] <cloaks> i dont even think of my laptop as having a high resolution display, i think this is pretty normal these days lol
[18:34] <K2L30GA2> cloaks: FWIW X1C is great BTW :) I didn't wanna get it because of trackpad lottery
[18:35] <cloaks> I understand. I lucked out :x
[18:35] <cloaks> This was slightly used
[18:35] <cloaks> got a good deal
[18:35] <cloaks> 16gb ram, i7, highres screen
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> cloaks: lets stick to ubuntu issues plz
[18:36] <K2L30GA2> cloaks: one sec
[18:37] <K2L30GA2> cloaks: We're going out of topic. You don't have to reply to this, but your setup is 2524 USD here. OW
[18:37] <K2L30GA2> ok back to topic
[18:38] <cloaks> Sorry, just working on installing gnome...apparently i'm not logged in as super user so I can't install it and the password I use to login to my computer is authentication failure. googling.
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | cloaks
[18:39] <TJ-> Yuji: did you try reloading the usb_storage module with a quirk? as in "modprobe usb_storage quirks=174c:1356:u" ?
[18:39] <K2L30GA2> cloaks: do note that your user password is different from root password (most likely)
[18:40] <Pinkamena_D> On 17.10, the new launcher is very very slow, not really that it is freezing I think, but rather that when I move to the bottom to switch to another app, it will move one icon down, then one second later move another icon down, etc so it takes forever to see 'lower' apps.
[18:40] <cloaks> kk, installing gnome
[18:40] <Yuji> TJ: I've never done that. I have disabled usb-autosuspend (confirmed -1, off), but other than that, I've never reloaded the module. I wouldn't be able to I think. The install medium is also USB.
[18:40] <Pinkamena_D> How can I speed up the scroll speed of the launcher?
[18:42] <cloaks> Ha!
[18:42] <cloaks> Scaling factor is gonna do the trick, I think
[18:42] <TJ-> Yuji: you could add "usb_storage.quirks=..." to the kernel command-line at boot-time
[18:42] <cloaks> the guide is out of date and is recommending options that don't exist anymore. But good enough.
[18:42] <TJ-> Yuji: that's if you want to continue trying to figure this out :)
[18:43] <cloaks> From here I can figure it out, thanks guys!
[18:43] <Pinkamena_D> Also, for the launcher in 17.10, how can I make the launcher default to the 'most scrolled up' position like in unity after done selecting app.
[18:43] <Richard_Cavell> Just to be clear, the security updates for the recently revealed bugs are not available yet, right?
[18:43] <cloaks> appreciate your assistance. Really. 4 days of trying to figure it out on my own, 20 minutes in this chat. Yeehaw.
[18:43] <cloaks> Thanks everyone
[18:43] <oerheks> cloaks, have fun!
[18:43] <cloaks> gonna hang around...hope that's ok :x
[18:43] <Yuji> TJ: Absolutely. I'll have to try that then when I go debugging it. I edited grub.cfg on the liveusb to disable uas, but the one post I read about adding quirks via boot said it failed for them, two people if I recall.
[18:45] <TJ-> Yuji: let me link you to the source code where you learn all the quirk letters and what they represent
[18:45] <Yuji> Thank you, I was just going to ask about that.
[18:45] <Yuji> Wasn't sure what "u" meant.
[18:46] <someone_> Hi
[18:46] <Yuji> TJ: I found a resource from OpenSUSE about it.
[18:46] <TJ-> Yuji: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/usb.c#n490
[18:46] <Yuji> Even better. :)
[18:47] <TJ-> Yuji: see the 'case' statements and the associated CAPITALISED flag names
[18:47] <Yuji> TJ: I'm familiar with C/C++. :) Thanks. :)
[18:49] <TJ-> Yuji: ahhh, great... I can only hope all our support requesters are as intelligent as they seem to have been since the start of the year :)
[18:49] <Yuji> TJ: More than familiar with C/C++, but less-so Linux's internals.
[18:50] <Yuji> Was just checking the unusual_uas header to see if any family/similar devices are in there.
[18:51] <craigbass76> I mount up a remote share (sshfs name@host:/directory mount-point/) and for some reason when the mount times out or something I've for this one directory that stays. I can't sshfs again on that mountpoint until I've deleted the directory.
[18:51] <timdotrb> Morning all. We are using Apache on Ubuntu, and have an http to https redirect setup, but have some unmodifiable software that downloads a file from our server via http. Is there any way to allow a single directory over http, with everything else redirecting to https?
[18:52] <craigbass76> timdotrb: that might be an apache question -- I'm thinking some sort of redirect in .htaccess, but maybe not.
[18:52] <Yuji> craigbass76: Yes, correct. It'd be for mod_rewrite.
[18:53] <craigbass76> I got one! Someone gimme a cookie!
[18:53] <Yuji> Match against the directory and tell it to either stop processing subsequent rules or modify original rule to match all ;except; the one dir you need.
[18:53] <Yuji> But yes, an Apache question for sure.
[18:54] <craigbass76> Yuji: seriously though, I feel like such a mooch in here - I get pretty excited when I can answer something
[18:54] <Yuji> timdotrb: Apache's mod_rewrite, use regular expressions. :)
[18:54] <someone_> I receive internet from wifi and I rebroadcast it through a router connected to my ethernet , the question I want a program controls in download/upload on the my ethernet.
[18:55] <Yuji> craigbass76: Heh.
[18:55] <Yuji> someone_: The upload/download speeds?
[18:55] <someone_> yes
[18:55] <craigbass76> Speaking of Apache... that's my errant directory. I sshfs, and in the remote dir is a subdir called ApacheOFBiz. As of right this second, the remote share isn't mounted, but I've got an ApacheOFBiz dir in my mount point
[18:56] <Yuji> someone_: There are many traffic-shaping tools around. I think I remember wondershaper back in the day. Google might help more on this.
[18:57] <Yuji> someone_: Just make sure you limit the correct devices. I'd imagine you would prefer only traffic going out over wireless to be limited, but LAN unrestricted(?), or perhaps some per-MAC throttling.
[18:57] <akik> craigbass76: you might want to test if the ssh keepalive helps you keep the timeout not activating. serveraliveinterval in your ~/.ssh/config
[18:57] <craigbass76> akik: that would be on the box serving files out, right?
[18:57] <akik> craigbass76: mount points can have files that "vanish" when you mount something on top of it
[18:58] <craigbass76> akik: I'm just curious as to why that directory is the only thing there
[18:58] <akik> craigbass76: serveraliveinterval on your ssh client side in ~/.ssh/config
[18:58] <Yuji> craigbass76: Keep-alive is usually client-side 'do nothing' acknowledgements essentially. PuTTy has a client-side method. Not sure if it'd be implemented on both. Only one side needs it. Best if server if you want to try and enforce all users to keep-alive.
[18:58] <TJ-> timdotrb: are you able to deploy a proxy on the host where the  unmodifiable software runs?
[18:59] <Yuji> someone_: Some quick Googling makes me think this might be a step in the right direction: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28198/how-to-limit-network-bandwidth
[18:59] <someone_> Yuji Thank you so much.
[19:00] <Yuji> someone_: No problem. :) There are many traffic shapers out there, especially for granular control over specific kinds of traffic or MACs. Good luck. :)
[19:01] <craigbass76> Yuji: I'm the only one using it. I want to say this laptop is the only one that gives me grief, but I've not yet gone through the scientific method to nail it down. And it's not really that big a deal, just a few more second of typing.
[19:02] <Yuji> craigbass76: Yeah then probably server-side if you use multiple software clients (possibly from any backends too) that SSH.
[19:05] <freeknot> hi, I am new to linux and I just fiddled around a bit with gnome, the tweak tool and a theme called 'arc'. the installation went smoothly but after restart my environment was wrecked, the top bar looks different, the dock is gone and so on. also the tweak tool does not let me access the gnome extensions. what have I done? https://pasteboard.co/H1yyBOH.png
[19:07] <Yuji> I don't know much about Gnome 3. Might have to wait for someone else who can pitch in.
[19:11] <akik> freeknot: all the gnome settings are saved in your home directory but they can be in many directories. one way to go forward would be creating a new user
[19:17] <ogleb> Is there any way I can create an overlayfs without root privaleges?
[19:43] <ash_work> should I try adding a different nameserver to resolv.conf if I keep getting 'Could not resolve' errors? (what would be the appropriate way?)
[19:44] <ShelleyUK> I think ive found a bug in 17.10 desktop, i did a standard install with encrypted home option. when i rebooted i didnt have a swapfile.  i checked /etc/crypttab and its listed as /target/swapfile not /swapfile... ive changed this on my install, is this a bug or just a weird once off error?
[19:44] <ikonia> ash_work: you shouldn't interact directly with that
[19:44] <ikonia> ash_work: explain your problem and we'll try to help
[19:44] <ash_work> ikonia: that's why I'm asking actually
[19:44] <ikonia> ash_work: sorry, what are you asking
[19:44] <ash_work> I get 'Could not resolve' errors on apt-get update
[19:45] <ikonia> ash_work: type "sudo apt-get udpate" and pastebin the output in pastebin.ubuntu.com
[19:47] <pineapplelover> hello
[19:48] <ash_work> ikonia: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bc558996fd69cc1884eae7f3aeb600f0
[19:50] <ikonia> ash_work: so they all look legitimately available, id you do "nslookup packagecloud.io" do you get a response
[19:52] <ash_work> ikonia: yes
[19:52] <ikonia> ash_work: run sudo apt-get clean
[19:52] <ikonia> then re-run apt-get update
[19:57] <ash_work> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f700d5a14235369834ba832561b12c0f
[19:59] <ikonia> ash_work: so your host can resolve them but apt can't ?
[19:59] <ikonia> (still after a clean and re-update)
[20:00] <ash_work> indeed
[20:00] <ikonia> ahhh wait a second
[20:01] <ikonia> if it's not completing the update will it rebuild the cache
[20:01] <ikonia> comment out the failing ones, re-run apt-get clean and apt-get update, then add them back in
[20:01] <Mgazgaz> Bonsoir tout le monde ! :)
[20:01] <ikonia> this shouldn't matter, but I'm keen to see if it's parsing for cache
[20:12] <ash_work> ikonia: sorry, didn't catch that, I'll do it now
[20:12] <ash_work> where is the list again?
[20:14] <ikonia> ash_work: depends how you added the extra repos
[20:14] <ikonia> normally /etc/apt
[20:14] <ikonia> source.list.d or sources.list
[20:16] <guest-tjbuhg> hello
[20:16] <guest-tjbuhg> D
[20:17] <ShelleyUK> sorry pc crashed, so sorry if i missed any messages
[20:17] <guest-tjbuhg> ok
[20:17] <TJ-> ash_work: can the client resolve those hosts?  "dig +short packagecloud.io; dig +short download.docker.com; 200~ dig +short dl.google.com"
[20:17] <guest-tjbuhg> dudes i have an question
[20:17] <guest-tjbuhg> i forgot the admin passs
[20:17] <guest-tjbuhg> w
[20:17] <guest-tjbuhg> how i can change it
[20:20] <ash_work> TJ-: they all return addresses
[20:21] <Bashing-om> guest-tjbuhg: Here are easy instructions to reset your password in Ubuntu: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword .
[20:22] <ioria> ash_work, i's check my proxy settings
[20:22] <ioria> 'd
[20:22] <ash_work> the only one in sources.list is docker, the other two aren't there
[20:23] <ikonia> ash_work: source.list.d is a directory
[20:23] <ikonia> you'll find more config files for repos in there
[20:25] <jeremies> How do I check if last shutdown was clean?
[20:26] <nik> hey, what does DNE stand for on this page? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2017/CVE-2017-5754.html
[20:26] <TJ-> ash_work: so they all also return IP addresses
[20:26] <LaurenceLumi> I have iscan 2.30.3-1 installed on my system, I am trying to find the package either in https://packages.ubuntu.com/ or launchpad, but nothing comes up. How can I find out where I got a particular package from?
[20:26] <ash_work> TJ-: that's what I mean
[20:26] <ash_work> t
[20:27] <dax> nik: it means that package doesn't exist in that version of ubuntu
[20:27] <nik> dax: thanks
[20:27] <nik> it looks too similar to a weird shortened version of DONE, especially since it's green
[20:28] <oerheks> LaurenceLumi, from the epson.deb ? dpkg -s <package>
[20:28] <oerheks> downloaded from their site, i guess
[20:31] <TJ-> nik: "DNE" is more than that, it's "Packages which do not exist (DNE) in the archive, are not affected by the vulnerability or have a fix applied in the archive."
[20:32] <TJ-> nik: see the CVE tracker's key: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/priority.html
[20:32] <nik> thanks!
[20:32] <TJ-> I should have said, 'green' is more than 'DNE', to be clear
[20:33] <dax> that's the priority description, not the meaning of DNE
[20:33] <nik> k, so it basically means either not applicable, or already done. thanks for clearing that up
[20:33] <dax> DNE is, as I said, specifically for stuff that isn't in that version of ubuntu
[20:33] <de-facto> imho there should be a legend on that page telling the exact meaning for such abbreviations :P
[20:34] <dax> if it were fixed, it'd say "released" instead, if it weren't affected it'd say "not-affected"
[20:35] <nik> why is there no mention of a 'released' state on the CVE priority key then?
[20:35] <dax> because that page is for priorities, not states
[20:35] <dax> specifically it's referring to the colors on e.g. https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/main.html
[20:36] <nik> i see
[20:37] <de-facto> ah there, i think that should be referenced or even included in those pages so its more clear for ppl reading the meaning: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/priority.html
[20:37] <dax> it's linked on the pages that it applies to. it does not apply to the invidividual CVE pages.
[20:38] <dax> see e.g. the "Priority Color Key" link in the URL i just sent
[20:40] <de-facto> cant really see it in that page though: wget -O- https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2017/CVE-2017-5754.html 2>&1 | grep "priority.html"
[20:40] <dax> please read the messages i sent more carefully
[20:42] <de-facto> yes i read "it does not apply to the invidividual CVE pages." so then there should be another legend if the meaning on those pages is not the same. basically so its just clear for users what the abbreviations and colors mean
[20:42] <john_rambo> I have recently installed a new motherboard ... I always see the bluetooth icon in the notifivtaion area .... I havesnt installed any bluetooth ...How do I know if its built in the motherboard
[20:42] <de-facto> ok bbl
[20:43] <dax> de-facto: ok, now that we're on the same page... TJ- just suggested to the relevant people that DNE be better-explained, so hopefully that will fix that. I think the meaning of green as "not a problem" is fairly obvious personally.
[20:44] <de-facto> ok perfect, just wanted to mention it as constructive idea
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> john_rambo: lspci -vv perhaps?
[20:44] <TJ-> dax: hmm,, given the context (on a CVE report page) I'd read green as meaning 'fixed' rather than 'not affected'
[20:44] <dax> if we want to talk about the color scheme in general, "pending" should probably be yellow
[20:45] <dax> apart from that, i don't see much of a reason to distinguish between "fixed" vs. "not applicable" vs. "EOL" va. whatever
[20:45]  * dax shrugs
[20:46] <john_rambo> lotuspsychje, The result is huge ...Any way to trim down using grep
[20:46] <john_rambo> ?
[20:46] <oerheks> john_rambo, check the specs on the website? some wifi devices have a bt chip in it too
[20:48] <john_rambo> oerheks, This is my motherboard
[20:48] <john_rambo> https://www.asus.com/in/Motherboards/H110M-CS/
[20:49] <LaurenceLumi> I get this root@FAB1:~# dpkg -s iscan
[20:49] <LaurenceLumi> Package: iscan
[20:49] <LaurenceLumi> Status: install ok installed
[20:49] <LaurenceLumi> Priority: extra
[20:49] <LaurenceLumi> Section: non-free/graphics
[20:49] <LaurenceLumi> Installed-Size: 1616
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> !paste | LaurenceLumi
[20:51] <oerheks> john_rambo, no wifi/bt onboard i think. did you add any adapter?
[20:51] <john_rambo> oerheks, No I use ethernet connection
[20:51] <LaurenceLumi> apt-get install iscan reports that I am at the latest version, doesn't that mean that it was installed by from a repository rather than just a deb file?
[20:51] <oerheks> LaurenceLumi, indeed, there is no epson ppa/repo
[20:52] <oerheks> john_rambo, then i have no clue why you see a bt icon..
[20:52] <LaurenceLumi> Ok so if came from ubuntu, should I not find in the list of packages here https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> !info blueman | john_rambo
[20:53] <oerheks> LaurenceLumi, if it did, yes, but you installed it from their website, no?
[20:54] <LaurenceLumi> I am not sure, hence I am asking question, I thought id apt-get install iscan return that the package is installed then it must have come from a repo?
[20:57] <oerheks> LaurenceLumi, again:there is no epson ppa/repo
[20:58] <TJ-> LaurenceLumi: "apt-cache policy <package>" will tell you where a package is from
[21:01] <fadavi> hey there. whats the most suggested laptop for ubuntu?
[21:02] <oerheks> fadavi, there is no such suggestion, see the certified laptops on this page https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/
[21:02] <LaurenceLumi> TJ: thanks so that fact that it does not list a repostitory when I do apt-cache policy iscan means that I must have installed it, thanks!
[21:03] <jeremies> How do I check if last shutdown was clean?
[21:04] <fadavi> oerheks: thanks. i've a ASUS (N552VW) device now with bunch of problems with gnu/linux. now, i'm looking for a better option with lower (lowest!) problems with free software.
[21:04] <oerheks> jeremies, check kern.log.1 >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/103015/how-do-i-check-if-last-shutdown-was-clean
[21:05] <jeremies> oerheks: this doesn't work in ubuntu 16.04
[21:09] <MalteJ> help! cpufrequtils says "ondemand governor not available"
[21:09] <MalteJ> how do I enable the ondemand governor?
[21:09] <MalteJ> or how do I install it?
[21:21] <skinux> I'm running Ubuntu installer, I have selected Erase Ubuntu 16.0.4.3 and reinstall, but Continue button is faded
[21:23] <texla> I installed Ubuntu-16.04 to sda1 and Mint-18.2 to sda3 and installed Grub 2 to /dev/sda Grub menu correct and working properly..Then installed xenialpup-64-7.5 to sda6 I installed grub 4 to sda and got a different grub menu all systems booted with no problems..This week grub two updated frm normal updatesand the menu changed to the former menu but without xenialpup listed..gparted shows the sda partition but no way from menu to
[21:23] <texla> boot..How do I get xenialpup back in grub2 menu
[21:24] <whitebeast> im trying to download an iso file and i keep receiving file moved or missing. is that a ubuntu issue?
[21:29] <ikonia> texla: depends which OS controls grub - this is not a good way to do it
[21:32] <perlware> hi
[21:33] <skinux> I figured that out. I wasn't giving it enough time to load properly.
[21:33] <skinux> Is swap ntfs?
[21:33] <texla> ikonia, Well my screw up I let xenialpup and grub4 control grub menu but why did grub 2 take over after an update
[21:34] <oerheks> skinux, you have been around for years, you know it never is...
[21:34] <perlware> can anyone please give me some clue? i have a VPS and i have tried changing /etc/hostname "centos-512mb-blr1-01" to "domain.com"
[21:34] <oerheks> perlware, ask in #centos? this is ubuntu support only
[21:34] <skinux> I didn't think so. Just can't see current swap in the list
[21:35] <perlware> and rebooted after this my sites are not loading.. i tried reversing the change.. but still ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
[21:35] <oerheks> with ubuntu you need to change it at 2 places..
[21:35] <perlware> hi Oerheks. yes it is centos. but these are just common settings
[21:35] <oerheks> !hostname
[21:36] <oerheks> perl, goodluck there!
[21:36] <perlware> thanks!
[21:37] <ikonia> texla: when you say grub4 - do you mean "grub4dos"
[21:37] <ikonia> just to clarify
[21:37] <texla> ikonia, yes that was the item
[21:38] <ikonia> texla: always best to use the proper names of things where possible, grub4dos is very specific and works in a certain way
[21:43] <perlware> i tried the suggested. but still same.
[21:43] <perlware> can someone have a look?
[21:44] <oerheks> perlware, join #centos or ##linux ?
[21:44] <oerheks> or your vps vendor
[21:45] <perlware> centos no one is active. :) ##linux Cannot send to channel
[21:45] <perlware> VPS vendor is digitalocean unmanaged :(
[21:46] <perlware> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26328071/
[21:46] <oerheks> well, you need to register, to join ##linux. maybe centos too ..
[22:00] <jeremies> How frequently do I need to update ubuntu to stay secure?
[22:00] <kk4ewt> completely secure would be daily
[22:01] <kk4ewt> depends on your defintiion of secure
[22:01] <Rr_Rr> Hi folks. I'm trying to track down an .ISO version of the Ubuntu Cloud image but not having any luck
[22:01] <Rr_Rr> I can find .IMG and .OVA etc, but no .ISO
[22:02] <kk4ewt> Rr_Rr,  why would a cloud img need to be an iso
[22:02] <Rr_Rr> I'm wanting to use it on a VPS but the provider will only accept uploaded ISOs, not IMGs
[22:03] <electricmilk> You could just convert the img to iso if you really needed to
[22:03] <electricmilk> There is a tool called ccd2iso
[22:03] <electricmilk> ccd2iso name-of-file.img name-of-file.iso
[22:04] <Rr_Rr> copy that, i'll take a look, thank you @electricmilk
[22:05] <jeremies> kk4ewt: ok, thank you
[22:16] <Nautilus> I want to setup a spare PC / laptop running Ubuntu with enough power to run a browser (Chromium?) at at least 1280 screen width, what would be good minimums for processor/ram? eg: i3 w/4G?
[22:18] <oerheks> see the specs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[22:18] <oerheks> screensize is irrelevant
[22:20] <LTCD> Hey. I am unable to connect to my server, how do I fix this? :'-(   Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey)
[22:21] <nicomachus> Nautilus: I have a Core2Duo powering an HTPC at home. 55 inch flatscreen at 1080p with a Radeon HD 6450, running Ubuntu Gnome 16.04
[22:21] <nicomachus> Nautilus: point being, you don't need a powerful CPU.
[22:22] <Nautilus> well yea but the mins say 2G RAM and I'm guessing thats pretty thin, looking for more real world feedback. Wont have a gaming kind of card
[22:23] <Nautilus> so there would be some ram shared to the gfx
[22:24] <Nautilus> also dont want lots of swapping to run the browser, they can eat ram pretty good
[22:24] <nicomachus> Nautilus: https://imgur.com/BzQQfKB.png
[22:24] <nicomachus> With firefox running, spotify and plex-media-server in background.
[22:24] <oerheks> put in 32 gb, no need for swap then
[22:25] <LTCD> Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey)  <--- How do I fix this guys? :-(
[22:25] <Nautilus> nicomachus: ok, thats with 4G ram, and it's doing a bit of swapping?
[22:25] <nicomachus> yes
[22:26] <Nautilus> sounds just right to me
[22:29] <mDfRg-> Hi, can anyone provide a link to an user-friendly explanation of meltdown & spectre bug? Complicated enough for a geek, easy to understand for a non-engineer?
[22:32] <TJ-> !kpti | mDfRg-
[22:33] <dax> they're very complicated attacks. the site linked as general info above is probably the best general reader i've seen on the topic
[22:33] <zukunf> hei
[22:33] <mDfRg-> TJ-, dax: thanks, appreciated
[22:34] <perlware> 	
[22:34] <perlware> Turned off firewalld & that brings back the website to life.  thanks guys
[22:36] <tomreyn> LTCD: you authenticate with a public key which the server consideres trusted
[22:36] <tomreyn> s/trusted/acceptable/
[22:37] <tomreyn> LTCD: nother words, your ssh client was not attempting public key authentication there, but the server requires it.
[22:38] <tomreyn> *in other
[22:38] <LTCD> tomreyn But I've never used an SSH key...
[22:40] <tomreyn> LTCD: if you do not want to authenticate using ssh keys you'll need to find a way to reconfigure the server to accept password authentication (which will be difficult unless you can make configuration changes to SSHd there remotely by other means).
[22:43] <LTCD> tomreyn I'm using digitalocean and want to cry right now as I'm new to all of this.
[22:49] <skinux> Ubuntu installation is stalled at restoring previoously installed packages. Something about Dconf won't work right becauyse of an error. What do I do?
[22:51] <nacc> LTCD: i'm fairly sure you *only* want to use ssh keys for VPS like DO
[22:51] <nacc> LTCD: and probably you didn't read some step of the DO configuration/user config, where you provide your ssh key
[22:52] <nacc> LTCD: e.g., https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-ssh-keys-with-digitalocean-droplets
[22:52] <nacc> LTCD: although, if you don't understand the above, or it's surprising, it feels like maybe there is other education you might need first; ssh keys are pretty common
[22:53] <LTCD> nacc Obviously I know about SSH keys etc... I just can't remember ever adding one.
[22:55] <TJ-> LTCD: have you always used the same PC to connect to the server?
[22:59] <LTCD> TJ- Nah fresh install was working until I tried to use tunnel
[22:59] <TJ-> "tunnel" ?
[22:59] <nacc> LTCD: to be clear, if i read the above correctly, the error you are getting does not say you have provided a key, it says the server is configured to only accept key auth
[23:01] <LTCD> nacc Hmmmm weird as I've never used one.
[23:01] <LTCD> TJ- The tunnel feature in putty?
[23:02] <nacc> LTCD: so you're connecting from windows?
[23:03] <LTCD> nacc Yep, nooby I know but haven't got space to put Linux on.
[23:04] <nacc> LTCD: ok, so clarify the steps. You've setup the ssh tunnel in putty already?
[23:04] <nacc> LTCD: what command is givinng the error?
[23:07] <TJ-> LTCD: what protocol and port are you trying to tunnel? Is the tunnel connected? Is it the tunnel connection failing?
[23:08] <LTCD> nacc Basically I could not tunnel, but I could connect before to terminal window thingy.
[23:09] <nacc> LTCD: so is the error that you cannot create a tunnel?
[23:10] <LTCD> No it's when I try to log into terminal
[23:10] <nacc> LTCD: after or before creating a tunnel?
[23:11] <LTCD> fuck
[23:11] <LTCD> I was connecting to wrong IP
[23:12] <nacc> LTCD: please watch the language
[23:12] <nacc> (channel policy)
[23:13] <LTCD> I'll leave, sorry guys for the drama.
[23:14] <skinux> I've a seamingly big problem, I'm reinstalling Ubuntu, the last part of installation is going extremely slow. I keep seeing errors in the console.
[23:14] <skinux> Okay....It JUST NOW finished. Are those errors about Gconf may not work properly or others going to be an issue?
[23:15] <oerheks> some warnings are not errors..
[23:15] <nacc> skinux: provide the exact messages, not paraphrased
[23:16] <skinux> There was something about /var/run/999/something permission denied
[23:17] <skinux> Well. I can't see any errors anymore, in the desktop. So, I'll ome back if something comes up.
[23:17] <skinux> Thanks for your time.
[23:21] <Orvalvisje> hello
[23:24] <electricmilk> Orvalvisje,  Hi
[23:26] <Ascavasaion> I installed Debian... and wanted to install openmediavault... I followed instructions onhttps://forum.openmediavault.org/index.php/Thread/5380-Need-guide-setting-up-desktop-environment-on-top-of-OMV/  I add the repository... but whne I do the apt-get update it tells me... https://pastebin.com/QNxeN9NF
[23:27] <oerheks> Ascavasaion, #debian is on #freenode too
[23:27] <nacc> Ascavasaion: EWRONGCHAN, this is for Ubuntu.
[23:27] <oerheks> !debian
[23:27] <Ascavasaion> I tried there, got no help.
[23:27] <Ascavasaion> Thank you anyway.
[23:28] <Ascavasaion> Night night.
[23:40] <geri> hi do you know the command ngrep? ... how can i count the number of matches applied to each incomming packet?
[23:42] <nacc> geri: that is less an ubuntu question and more an ngrep question. You might ask in a networking channel
[23:49] <despotes> sd