[00:58] <tgBot1> Andrea Vergano was added by: Andrea Vergano
 @Stereofont, hiya Lionel and Dan. I'm uo runningand running
 But am struggling wwith the keyboard.
 to anyone who might be of help regarding the telegram pap itself... After Installing, I click run... And only get a white screen. I tried restarting the phone, but it no workey.
 @hung_er, try to clean the cache of the app and the condig
 With https://uappexplorer.com/app/ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/395 … The UBports team never has any fun
 @UniversalSuperBox, I like this bit "What's going on here? I need to get this bug fixed fast, so we can close this madness"
 Will all android apps work in anbox?
 I am asking as i just got a problem on my opo where i can't go past boot again for the 4th time in 4 weeks
 So i am thinking of trying UBports for a bit at least
 So which partitions does this format? Does it also format sdcard/storage
 Any update on meltdown and Spectre? As it affects arm ut also will be affected by this!!
 @technicalbird, Does it?
 It does affect arm
[05:32] <tgBot1> Rahmah28 was added by: Rahmah28
 Cool, we have solitaire card games now for UT. 👍
 Tor isn't available on a Libertine Vivid container, Iknow that much. If someone wants to test if it's in the Xenial repos and will boot on UT devices, that would be cool.
 @Andrea Vergano, Welcome Andrea Vergano and @Rahmah28! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please look here to get up to speed: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[08:18] <tgBot1> fabianwoods was added by: fabianwoods
 @AlexiPistonrod, Have you got the binaries at the ready? Should be any day now...
 @fabianwoods, Hello Fabian and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @milkor73, Thanks Milan
 Also rather foolishly I let my M10 go down to 12% but after two minutes of charge it jumped to 28%. That doesn't seem plausible at all, even faster than USB C let alone Micro so what's up with that?
 @nanu_c, Well its not that easy to make a changelog. With some some 100+ potential repos that contribute to an image, plus upstream changes coming from Canonical´s ARM build. I have no idea right now how we can make a reasonable, not too long changelog every day for this.
 @technicalbird, Canonical has no patches right now, so we also have no way to act. Plus they wont update 15.04 => Backporting this is nearly impossible. The patchset is very complex. So this will be fixed in 16.04 only
 @Flohack, In case you guys want, I can write  small reasonable changelogs everyday by stalking github repos of ubports for announcement.
 @TheImpulson, We think about automation. The problem is for me to even set up such a list :) Its all over the place
[08:39] <tgBot1> Yves Collet was added by: Yves Collet
 Morning, fellow UT groupies!
 So, I'm running a nexus 5 with 15.04 stable. Went to bed last night having closed all apps and turned flight mode on: Battery was at 40%. This morning, 8 hours later, the battery was at 20%. Is this normal?
 (Sticker, 473x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Rt0ER9xK/file_3579
 @Ern_st, Thanks, worked like a charm!
 Additionally, is there a way to modify the keyboard size?
 @Yves Collet, Hello Yves and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Lukas Wolfskin, On 15.04? Stable?
 @Lukas Wolfskin, It is wrong, but I see that on n5 too. I find restarting before switching to flight mode cuts the drain to around 10%. :(
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Pretty much. Battery management is still very much an issue,  though as you see from Seumas' post above, % readout contains a large element of fantasy
 @Lukas Wolfskin, If only… on my tablet the keyboard is gigantic
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/1tUonfJx/file_3591.jpg
 polarr snap
 but you are using unity8 on pc, right?
 yep :D
 ok :)
[11:26] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Stereofont The telegram issue has been fixed! Thanks
 I'd added e new robot_sticker. Please restart your TG app. 😉
 https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/mir/
 pff can't find any live feeds
 @popescu_sorin, Which device ist this ?
 @FelixWeinzierl, it's a PC
 @popescu_sorin, Ahh😇
 @popescu_sorin, Is anyone from ubports planning to be there?
 Diogo certainly is
 @alan_griffiths, ubports failed to get a stand or talk accepted this year. Not sure if anyone is still going to attend though. @neothethird knows more than i
 @DanChapman, Hehe. What are they afraid if?
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/9gEfx6pW/file_3599.jpg
 Nexus 5 :P though not a snap :D
[13:01] <tgBot1> Miroslav was added by: Miroslav
 new chapter of the development course
 https://mimecar.gitbooks.io/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/content/en/chapter-06.html
 New app and native development on desktop (with future port to devices)
 There is one more sticker 😎 online now. Please restart your TG app
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/PDv60hFJ/file_3600
 @Javacookies, hehe nice! supertux FTW
 it's quite smooth and playable although I can't make it fullscreen :)
 @alan_griffiths, We applied for a stand and pitched talks, but got rejected. There won't be an "official" presence, but i'm sure some community members will be there. I can't attend, unfortunately...
 After i stopped the Ubuntu Push Client the battery consumtion is normal again on my MX4. No rapid decline anymore.
 Could there be an issue with the push client that it does not go to sleep? It occured after the change to the ubports push server. Should i file a bug report?
 my telegram acted odd that started yesterday, sometime it suddenly stops updating for new messages and when I switch to other chats, only the last message loads, restarting the apps solves it, anyone experienced this?
 incidentally, it started when I logged-in on my other UT device
[13:27] <tgBot1> Hagee0r was added by: Hagee0r
 @Hagee0r, Welcome Hager0r! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Which one?
 hello all I need help with installation of UT on Nexus5
 @Hagee0r, Please join the Welcome Room
 ok thanks
 @Hagee0r, Icelandic? 😀
 Polish
 @Hagee0r, Cool. We need a Polish language group
 Any other Poles here??
 UT is almost unknown in Pl
 That will change! Anbox and KDE!
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIGutmeAE3I nice
 @DanChapman, CONSPIRACY!!!!!
 @neothethird, CRASH THE PARTY!  AIR DROP UBUNTU TOUCH BROCHURES!  LEAVE NO ONE UNTOUCHED!
 @samzn, Who would want to run Google Chrome at all??
 @Stereofont, Netflix... :(
 ... is there a netflix alternative or a way to view with firefox?  I'm guessing 'no' thanks to their nasty DRM?
 Doesn't firefox support DRM in the latest version?
 yes you can
 and you could even make a standalone wrapper with widevine
 but why would you want to give them money :D
 i know
 but is there alternative online movie viewing service that is more ethical? I know pureflix is good for families (better).  Personally i almost never watch movies but when i do I use my buddy's netflix login.  I water down their money
 but sadly this discussion will remain if my questions are unanswered.  Ubuntu purists would give it up, but most people wouldn't at this point without alternative so for markeitng UT we do need some answers.
 @mimecar, That's a really great approach. I hope it gathers a few more developers, it should certainly make it easier for those without devices to get going.
 @popescu_sorin, Ok now I got the problem that when I try to run the build, an empty dialog appears with the title "Unknown error"
 @derjasper, it seems also that the QML files are not copies to the build directory.. so building the stuff does basically nothing
 @padraic7a, I know one guy in this group who fits this category.  He really wanted to get started but could not afford a device.
 @Stereofont, Hi do i need to set the option OEM unlock on before flash the Fairphone 2 with UT ?
 @wayneoutthere, No idea for Netflix but my Amazon Prime works fine with Firefox. I just have to enable DRM content in preferences.
 Anyone installed today's 16.04 on hammerhead? Mine isn't booting anymore.
 @Xray2000, Do you mean SIM lock because you got your FP2 together with a contract?
 Nu into the extra settings you have OEM unlock but i think it should be on itś flqsh now ;)
 @Xray2000, Enable developer options. Allow USB debugging. Unlock OEM. Make MTP mode default
 Ok thanks Lioenlb ;)
[14:19] <tgBot1> Rafa was added by: Rafa
 @nfsprodriver, nope, but thanks for the heads-up, now I won't update 😜
 just kidding, I'll try it and see, it's easy to just reinstall
 Okay, thanks!
 Just reflashed it. Booting now ;)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/P2W0WZuF/file_3601.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/DSE7k0uj/file_3600
 Is that a chainsaw?
 or a co**?
 Safety glasses 😎
 @Stereofont, To skin your ass raw.
 Graphic 😱
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/LhmAhxeM/file_3603.jpg
 16.04 just landed for me on stable
 You are the MEN
 Hows going?
 @malditobastardo, Thank you maldito
 I'm doing fine
 How are you?
 Good good, happy to see you here for good!
 Yunit is in a dead end sadly
 @malditobastardo, Yeah I heard
 @Flohack, Doesn't matter anyway, since stock kernel isn't used. 14.04 patches might be applicable, but someone also needs to update oxide to chromium 64 base. Firefox also needs updated, for libertine users
 @Georgecloon, 😂
 @malditobastardo, Oh, that's a pity
 @malditobastardo, What happened there?
[15:31] <tgBot1> J4p74 was added by: J4p74
 @wayneoutthere, feel free to do that, but i don't have time then :/
 @J4p74, Hello Maycon. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/11LwcF9V/file_3605.jpg
 @alan_griffiths will be in your talk
[16:46] <tgBot1> Yance was added by: Yance
 @Yance welcome! Please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get started and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 was there a news that yunit has been discontinued?
 @malditobastardo, oh.  but isn't Unity 8 rolling?
 @Javacookies, No nothing, thats the thing. There arent any updates since almost 2-3 months, and Jsalatas is not even answering messages anymore, Idk. I just feel that Ubports now has the leading when speaking about Unity8 in desktop too..
 that's actually what I worry about, Unity8 is mostly about convergence, and having two teams to continue it would be tricky, yunit team can't decide to do add or change something without consulting UBports and vice versa
 They made unity8 compatible with xenial and qt 5.9 months ago and I dont know if that has a purpose tbh because now Marius did the same, I dont know if he used the base from the work of Yunit or not
 perhaps Marius has idea about yunit status that's he's been doing desktop stuffs lately? 👿
 @Javacookies, Yeah maybe.
[17:53] <tgBot1> anfrdn was added by: anfrdn
 @anfrdn, Hello Anfrdn. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Guys i rea just now that mapzen will shut down in february 2018. If i remember correctly unav is based on mapzen...
 yes
 Marcos as already warned about that
 this is a real problem
 let me check if there're news about this
 Can it switch to OpenStreetMap?
 in theory but would lose tons of functionality and service is very unreliable
 I'm talking with Marcos
 the problem is that the services that are for free are bad
 the others very expensive
[18:23] <doniks> Is there a lesson that can be learned from OSMAnd? It's a foss mapping app for Android using OSM
 with OSM you only have car navigation
 Foot also
 And bike
 Closure is on 1 February
 mapbox offers service for free for GNOME Maps
 Marcos has contacted them in the past but got no repply
 excuse me, is there a group in Spanish?
 Someone must know someone?  We are 1200 here
[18:27] <tgBot1> calebin was added by: calebin
 https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 gracias
 :)
 @calebin, Welcome Tana! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links#new Vote for UBports!
 If you haven't been following the News Channel (https://t.me/ubports_news) then maybe you didn't know that the 20th Community Update is about to begin!
 Reminder that we are trying to consolidate news so that important updates to through the News Channel.  This is for your benefit.  Please subscribe, it's just one click (https://t.me/ubports_news) … For today, we will publish the direct link to the community update right here: … Enjoy the update:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOLji6g3ONc
 oh it's live
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOLji6g3ONc
 I'm taking notes. It's still open for anyone else to contribute!
 Thanks @exar_kun.  Yes please, we need a note-taker person for the community updates.
 Or a live blogger/tweeter
 Hey... are those new Yumi stickers behind you, Marius?  :)
 wow. cool man
 Thats wild :)
 got that rumour, Joe? :)
 https://yunit.io/yunit-project-updates-20170917/
 how does Yunit relate to Unity 8?
 . Having Yunit running in an LTS distro (16.04) and also an LTS Qt base (5.9) will greatly benefit UBPorts who are currently seeking to move Ubuntu Touch to an LTS version
 Good to know, thank you Marius
 @mariogrip Latest 16.04/devel for hammerhead broke my Wifi.
 Forum questions?
 How can we get Ubports unity 8 ?
 How we can compile own kernel and install it? Is there guide for it?
 for desktop?
 convergence + unity 8 + ?
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/863/ubports-community-update-20-january-6-2018/10
 i still don't understand yunit
 I don't either.
 Unity 8 vs Yunit
 Yunit was the hope to maintain alive unity8 on desktop and help with the convergence for ubports
 but doing that separately doesn't make much sense
 exactly
 @malditobastardo, so now Unity 8 is back alive and will take over again from Yunit?
 that goes against the whole point of convergence
 it was a waste of time
 @nfsprodriver, I think this is related to the deprecation of device files moving to ubuntu overlay. Also the 50% battery went back. Will it be easy to merge the former fixes to N5 kernel (halium)?
 true... unity8 is a better 'brand'\
 Question from the Forum:
[19:22] <doniks> Have the questions from the forum post been answered yet?
 twinkybot about 8 hours ago … Questions: …     Will someone work on GPS? uNav and Browser (maps.google) lead to restarts and makes therefore the usage very hard. Also the bad update of positions makes the navigation useless. …     OTA-3 lead to more battery drainage. Any comments or reasons and or possible fixes+ …     advances on dekko 2? …     browserstatus of nextcloud integration, files sync also with browser
 unity 8 revive, praise Mir and its compatibility with Wayland that ensures its future in Ubuntu
 @mariogrip : UMatriks development ?
 @milkor73, yeah! the stable 'grip test'
 unless @DanChapman is on the update call, i guess the dekko question can't be answer too well
 other question: can you do sometihng to help Marcos Costales with unav navigation?
 due to the mapzen closure
 How about fixes to Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities? Are our phones affected?
 @samitormanen, Meltdown is Intel only.
 Ok.
 Intel + (amd)?
 Spectre will likely need backports of kernel patches, as well as rebasing oxide on chromium 64 when it's released.
 @malditobastardo, no, just Intel
 Thanks Rodney
 firefox also needs updated, for people using it in libertine
 @milkor73, This is a must. :)
 [question]: Will there be a desktop version? an distro?
 So your saying my N5 is too underpowered.. and the battery would die, before anyone got Spectre to work! LOL  :)))
[19:37] <doniks> [QUESTION] Will you answer the questions on the forum?
 @doniks, Lol
 Such meta question
 "May I ask you a question?" … "You just did."
 Typical lol
 any update on the foundation?
 What exactly is a "soft" brick? 🤔
 🎉🍾🎉🏆🎖
 show us the chair jumping
 @Crash_Burn, bootloop
 uMatriks?
 news on umatriks yes!
 griptest
 where is it?
 griptest!
 we want the grip test! we want the grip test!
 Just like having a baby...you will never be ready ;)  You just have to make the jump.  We can help in the community.
 Our most essential app for communication
 We will never leave you UBports!  You can't let us down :)
 $2M is nothing for this kind of thing.
 OEM designed for Ubuntu Touch is best
 plus then the development mighjt follow the hardware too mjuch
 Everyone download/install/use the "Say Ubuntu" app ;)
 yah! wasssup wit dat???
 GRIPTEST!
 @wayneoutthere, Context? (Sorry not watching update at moment)
 İs there anybody ported ubuntu touch to lg g3 intl?
 ha
 no listen to the next audiocast and you will know how we will ping you
 needles
 Shrug okay then I'm better not informed
 Wait... you know we cut those trees down right!??
 cones
 Freckles
 bye bye
 thank you all
 @bhushanshah, purism
 Thanks guys!! 🤘
 @wayneoutthere, Shameless plug lol
 No. it's to fix Marius
 @bhushanshah, hardware
 Okay, anyway as I've complained/nudged earlier, please written updates.. :)
 how about you watch it with us buddy????
 anyway @exar_kun will try to do notes
 we are looking for note taker
 (yeah yeah English, blah blah)
 @wayneoutthere, I've no problem with watching but yeah
 we're doing our best to help with this
 Sorry, but I'm not only with this issue probably...
 shoudl get better soon
 @bhushanshah, judging by size of language groups you might be right
 I mean I've no shame to admit that I still watch movies with subtitles.. even if my written English is far better.. English hearing is meh
 multiple people with different accents talking in english at the same time, is definitely hard to follow
 even for someone who is used to such things and is a native speaker
 @bhushanshah, yeah, it's no shame.  i teach ESL
 but it's hard to find time that's all
 but we're going to try to take notes, and get it published sooner
 final reminder: if you can help with this, please ping us
 @bhushanshah, heh. I watched Agent Raghav a few weeks ago. it was hard to follow even with subtitles, because the spoken english didn't match the subtitles :)
 I am now really thinking of trying out ubports as Lineage keeps getting stuck on the boot animation till i delete System/Data and reflash it so wich partitions will the ubports installer Format exactly and how's the performance on the oneplus one? And are all standard android apps supported in anbox?
 anbox support isn't ready yet
 i imagine some android apps won't like being confined
 installing ubports will replace all the data on your phone
 @dohbee, All of the Google ones 😂
 So it will also format the sdcard/ media partition :(
 @Stereofont, well, anything that really depends on push notifications or having a background service, are probably not going to work as well as they do on android
 @XavierXX, Dual boot is not a supported or reliable option. You cannot use TWRP
 @dohbee, I agree
 @dohbee, Yes I agree
 There are several apps on my BQ E4.5 that I have never used and seem to be the same  as the ones that were part of the UT the phone originaly came with. I've not found a way to remove them but would like to. Reddit, Yahoo! Finance, 7 Digital and Weather Channel amongst others could all usefully be got rid of...
 @Mark, scopes and apps
 Are you still on the Canonical image?
 @Mark, If you open the OpenStore app and go to My Apps, click on the app you don't want and remove it in the dialog?
 some scopes were not removable (they were also not on your system, either). but you can just unfavorite them in dash scope management, and ignore them otherwise
 @dohbee, Thanks for explication, I was wondering why they are there whenever they do not work. That's it is. Thanks
 if Canonical has taken the smart scopes server offline, i would think those scopes should just disappear from phones too, maybe after a reboot
 @dohbee, Cheers, I'd already unfavourited them but thought I'd ask as, although not an issue requiring the attention of our developers, it is a peculiar thing to have software I don't need and can't remove. I've been ignoring them since they came with the phone and was surprised to see them still included on OTA 2 and 3.
 @Stereofont, Not that simple as Rodney has pointed out.
 @Mark, are you still on the canonical image? or on ubports?
 @dohbee, Been on UBports image for a while now and it has been on all three OTAs.
 which ones are apps? my nexus5 has no network, so it can't hit the smart scopes server, which means i don't see them anyway
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/4QrghZFY/file_3616.jpg
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/l1Ud3cZA/file_3618.jpg
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Td4GLLq4/file_3620.jpg
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/TmbxZb0I/file_3622.png
 Also N5
 ok those are all scopes, not apps
 @dohbee, Yes scopes
 and yeah, the ones without icons are i guess, the smart scopes which are actually running on canonical server
 But reboot keep them like this, did not dessapear
 @dohbee, As I say not wishing to distract anyone from important development.
 Me the same as Mark
 @milkor73, ok, maybe there is something cached then, or the server is halfway there
 really, the smart scopes stuff should probably get removed from ubports
 Open library doesnt have an icon on yours, yet it does on mine 🤔
 @Mark, In case anyone wondered why I have the second SIM locked it is my work SIM and I'm not at work! I reboot and don't put in the SIM pin when requested. I'll put it on again on Monday morning :)
 @PhoenixLandPirate, I noticed Milan has some icons I no longer have.
 @Mark, Smart idea lol
[22:08] <tgBot1> leo10ui was added by: leo10ui
 @Flohack, Partly battery saving as there is no mobile phone signal out here in the wilds of Scotland (a Femtocell on our 512kb/s maximum "broadband" gives a signal for my own SIM but my work is on a different network). No point leaving it hunting for a signal. Is the option of selecting different tones/rings for the different SIMs unavailable as it would need a BQ kernel rewrite to implement or is it something which may appear in the future?
 Hello Teletubbies. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 how can I run Unity 8 from the ubports repository?
 using the script?
 which script?
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 thanks
 @Mark, Just a missing userspace feature
 tested
 unity 8 doesn't run very well uder kvm
 will try latter with real hw installation on usb disk
 graphics might be the issue
 Works okayish under kvm here
 no to me
 very slow, hard to hit things with the mouse
 most apps only open window but don't do nothing
 but this last is expected
 I believe
 Mouse movement takes a bit to sync. I think a new qemu fixes that
 hum
 I running on 16.04
 well I guess this deservs aniother try
 Move the mouse slowly across the vm window, to each edge
 another day
 Then mouse should be ok
 now I have a meeting
 thks for the tip
 Browser doesn't work, because needs rebuilt against new qt
 But you can set up libertine with Firefox and it should work (until it crashes)
 eheh
 Having problems with Unity * on desktop in VirtualBox. Mouse difficult to control. It is a wireless mouse. Is wired likely to be more successful?
 *Unity 8
 What is the current state of 16.04?