kkremitzkiI found a really interesting tool today which some of you might appreciate: https://github.com/soimort/translate-shell03:21
lotuspsychjegood morning to all06:20
tsimonq2I'm back in here :D06:21
lotuspsychjehey tsimonq2 wb06:21
tsimonq2Forgot why I left :)06:22
lotuspsychjetsimonq2: its very nice here these days :p06:22
tsimonq2Heh :)06:22
ubot5Spectre and Meltdown are security issues that affect most processors, mitigated by a set of Linux kernel patches named KPTI. | General info: https://spectreattack.com/ | Ubuntu (and flavors) info: http://ubottu.com/y/ubukpti/ | An Ubuntu Security Notice will be released when updates are available, subscribe at https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/06:22
lotuspsychjefirefox holes, no kpti yet06:27
lotuspsychje!info firefox06:28
ubot5firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 57.0.4+build1-0ubuntu0.17.10.1 (artful), package size 45050 kB, installed size 171531 kB06:28
tsimonq2Scroll to the bottom of the article and do a /whois on me, lotuspsychje :)06:30
lotuspsychjeso upgrade to artful reccomended but iso reinstall not06:32
tsimonq2But it's ready for testing06:32
tsimonq2I also wrote this ;) ;) http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-17-04-eol-and-lubuntu-17-10-respins/06:32
tsimonq2(has an FAQ and everything)06:32
lotuspsychjelets read06:32
lotuspsychjetsimonq2: neat!06:33
EriC^what are you naughty guys up to today06:38
tsimonq2Hey, long time no see :)06:38
EriC^hey :)06:39
lotuspsychjetsimonq2: you usually idle in release and offtopic?06:40
lotuspsychjeEriC^: just wokeup testing few bionic bugs06:40
lotuspsychjeplymouth error windows on startup desktop, but when i tryed to bug, firefox freezed06:41
tsimonq2lotuspsychje: I left offtopic a while ago due to the high volume06:41
tsimonq2lotuspsychje: But yeah, I'm in most if not all of the development channels06:41
lotuspsychjetsimonq2: ok mate wb anyhow06:43
lotuspsychjelets see what happens on ubuntu-bug plymouth06:46
ubot5Launchpad bug 1741598 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth crashed after login to desktop 18.04" [Undecided,New]06:51
tsimonq2Thanks lotuspsychje :)06:51
lotuspsychjetsimonq2: now wich package should i bug against for touchpad at gdm3?06:52
lotuspsychjecant click a username with touchpad tap, only left mouse button06:52
lotuspsychjenot sure if its a bug yet or supposed to?06:53
tsimonq2lotuspsychje: I'd start with gdm3 :)06:53
lotuspsychjetested on several machines ubuntu-desktop06:53
lotuspsychjetsimonq2: kk06:56
ubot5Launchpad bug 1741599 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Cannot click a username at gdm3 with touchpad 18.04" [Undecided,New]07:06
ducassegood morning, all07:18
lotuspsychjehey ducasse07:19
lotuspsychjeall good there?07:20
ducassemorning lotuspsychje - all well here, thanks. and you?07:21
lotuspsychjegreat, playing bionic :p07:22
lotuspsychjeand we have tsimonq2 back :p07:23
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BluesKajHey folks12:11
lotuspsychjegood afternoon to all12:35
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj12:36
BluesKajhi lotuspsychje12:37
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: we had 2 users on kde this morning with system lags/YT/games12:37
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: what do you reccomend for system specs to run kde smooth?12:37
BluesKajmy old pc here runs snicely with an amd 5200+ cpu , 6GB Ram on a Samsung EVO 850 sdd and nvidia GT 210 gpu...but no games12:40
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: perhaps 4gig ram is a must on kde? they tested same stuff on unity and that went smooth12:42
BluesKaj4Gb should run ok, I ran kde4 on 4Gb until I added the 2Gb12:43
BluesKajthere was Ram haif price sale on amazon so upgraded wifes and my pc12:45
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: i tested also on amd cpu/2gig ram 850 pro ssd and was laggy for me12:48
lotuspsychjei would upgrade, my netbook can only take 212:49
BluesKajI don't run any PIM apps like kmail and kontact and disable the akonadi server/desktop search in system settings12:54
lotuspsychjebut main system still plasma right?12:55
BluesKajthere a lot of background services that can be disabled in startup & shtudown in system settings as well13:04
BluesKajlotuspsychje, but one has to experiment to see what some these service actually do...the descriptions are typical man type descriptions which can be meaningless to some13:12
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: ok tnx13:12
BluesKajprobly obvious to experienced linux user like you tho13:13
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: i was just wondering for those 2 users, fresh installs and so many lag issues13:16
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: and on the web, i read all kind of stuff users with lags and users saying kde real lightweight13:17
BluesKajlotuspsychje, lightweight? it's usually the opposite :-)13:18
BluesKajkde can be a much heavier load than mate and xfce etc DEs13:19
BluesKajthat's why it's so flexible ...has alot of options and "looks" the other DEs don't have13:20
lotuspsychjehey pauljw13:20
pauljwhi lotuspsychje, BluesKaj, everyone.  :)13:21
BluesKaj'Morning pauljw :-)13:21
lotuspsychjenew FF hole13:27
pauljwjust installed new firefox update this morning...13:27
lotuspsychje!info firefox bionic13:28
ubot5firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 57.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 45037 kB, installed size 171466 kB13:28
lotuspsychjepauljw: your on xenial?13:28
pauljwyeah lotuspsychje13:30
lotuspsychje!info firefox xenial13:30
ubot5firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 57.0.4+build1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 44650 kB, installed size 170756 kB13:30
lotuspsychjeim safe :p13:30
pauljwi do system updates every morning and firefox was all there was today.13:32
lotuspsychjehere also auto updates13:33
BluesKajI switched to chrome permanently about a yr ago due to the flash video plugin probs with FF13:34
lotuspsychjeah i run both FF & chromium13:35
lotuspsychjebad connection today EriC^^13:40
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: wifi or cable?13:40
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: your too far from modem?13:41
EriC^^hmm dont think so dunno13:41
EriC^^i put a repeater in the middle of the house13:41
lotuspsychjei can send you an eth cable if you want :p13:41
EriC^^great, send me a 40meter one :P13:42
EriC^^the modem is on the other side of the house, on the balcony13:42
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: i bought me a devolo for that13:42
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: uses cable over powerline13:42
EriC^^looks promising13:43
EriC^^hey immu13:43
immuEriC^^, hey13:43
immuwhats up13:43
EriC^^not much, checking out home networking stuff13:44
lotuspsychjegot this one EriC^^13:44
EriC^^that's crazy, so you just plug it into a wall and plug another in another wall and you got internet?13:44
EriC^^i'm definitely getting this13:45
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: modem====devolo1/room1        room2/devolo2====laptop13:45
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: you can also buy the one with wifi13:46
EriC^^awesome i was just thinking that i need wifi13:46
lotuspsychjerelatively cheap also13:46
immui am in Windows13:46
immurebooting now13:46
immulotuspsychje, is your homewired with lan?13:46
daftykinsmine sure is :)13:47
immui got a eight port patch panel13:47
lotuspsychjehey daftykins13:47
daftykinscategory 6 and full gigabit everywhere13:47
daftykinsi've filled a 16 port switch now with all my toys13:47
daftykinsto think i put 6 into my lounge but i'm using every single one already13:47
lotuspsychjedaftykins: you got 16 pc's in your house?13:48
daftykinsdevices, not PCs13:48
daftykinswell some are PCs of course but not all :>13:48
lotuspsychjewhat brand daftykins13:48
daftykinsbrand of what?13:48
daftykinslounge is TV, AV receiver, desktop gaming spec PC, Pi 3, xbox one and amazon FireTV13:49
lotuspsychjedaftykins: switch13:49
daftykinsah just a linksys that was cheap a couple of years ago in amazon deals13:49
lotuspsychjelove linksys13:49
lotuspsychjei got the 4 port switch myself13:49
daftykinsi always had netgear ones in the past, but 8 ports i grew out of fast :)13:50
immuwith switch you don't have to worry about where your patch panels port are networked to? lotuspsychje daftykins13:51
lotuspsychjedaftykins: what purpose is your pi3?13:51
daftykinsimmu: well with a patch panel by your switch, you would just plug in or 'patch in' the ports you want to use, although in my case i just plugged them all in13:52
daftykinslotuspsychje: i run picoreplayer on it, so it pretends to be a logitech squeezebox - means both in my lounge and bedroom i can have fully synced up network music controlled from my phone :)13:53
daftykinswith no ridiculous price of those Sonos systems people get13:53
daftykinsi used to use powerline adapters up to my bedroom too, but i put in fully wired during the house works in 2017 :)13:55
daftykinsjust the two up to there though13:56
immui have a router acting a AP in my home in each room :) works wonders13:58
BluesKaja friend had a dedicated filtered line run from his panel to his media room ...dunno if it made any difference in terms of video and audio qualities tho13:58
daftykinsimmu: that's a bit of a waste of power13:59
daftykinsBluesKaj: haha, the network cable? sounds like an audiphile ;)14:00
immunot much, as i got only two, due to the placement of my master bedroom i cannot get proper wifi signals14:00
daftykinsimmu: ah right14:00
immuand they are configured for power saving features available14:00
immubrb rebooting14:06
BluesKajdaftykins, it was meant for interference free power for mixers and recording his band mostly14:07
lotuspsychjehey TJ-14:10
BluesKajthe other media like TV and video equipment obviously received the benefits too14:11
lotuspsychjei ordered a devolo smoke detector for my brother in law14:16
lotuspsychjewith android app14:16
lotuspsychjeso when he's house is on fire, het gets a message :p14:16
TJ-Aren't these devices supposed to be smart? If so, why don't they but the fire out!?14:18
lotuspsychjemobile===press spray====house under water14:19
lotuspsychjethese days hackers break into your default admin:1234 freezer over network, to open the garage and steal your car14:21
lotuspsychjegreat idea IOT14:22
TJ-As long as they don't steal the milk14:22
EriC^^wb immu!14:39
immutu EriC^^14:42
immuwhats the topic today? 17.04 is expiring14:42
lotuspsychjeyeah soon14:42
daftykinsit was always a good feeling once the herd was culled :)14:43
ubot5The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds14:44
immudoes any one know how to change from affirmative sentences into negative sentences14:49
immui.e. sharon makes modles from clay, change it negative sentences14:49
daftykins"sharon makes crap modles from clay" ;D hehe nah i don't really follow you there14:50
immuafirmative sentences to negative, its grammer, :)14:51
daftykinsgrammar :)14:52
daftykinsi think when you know English natively you don't understand it on a technical level, you just know what sounds correct14:52
TJ-"Sharon makes models from clay" --> "Sharon DOES NOT make models from clay"14:53
immutnx TJ- & daftykins14:54
immutrue daftykins14:55
TJ-"Intel makes secure CPUs" --> "Intel DOES NOT make secure CPUs"14:55
daftykins"Sharon said sod this for a game o' monkeys, and threw the clay out the window"14:55
daftykinsTJ-: :D14:55
TJ-"My PC is 100% Secure" --> "My PC is on the scrap heap"14:56
immuIntel on purpose choose to make a crappy processor14:56
daftykinser, no14:57
* lotuspsychje roflol14:57
BluesKajheh, my Lenov has an intel i3 cpu ..best of both worlds :-)15:03
TJ-Intel did choose (as did other chip designers); it was a design decision for performance over security. Even the more difficult to exploit speculative cache timing atacks were known of, and designed against, in the 1970s/80s15:03
immulinus did say something over such a decision15:17
daftykinswell he is somewhat biased when things like that occur15:18
daftykinssure it was dumb in hindsight, but nobody is smart for second guessing years later :)15:18
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TJ-daftykins: the thing is, these issues were well known in computer engineering and cryptography from the 1980s, but were ignored or not taken seriously. There are secure design standards and methodologies that explicitly call out these issues, under the headings 'storage' and 'timing' (TCSEC) which specifically require consideration of Covert Channel Analysis15:40
daftykinsah right15:41
lotuspsychjebbl have a nice115:43
TJ-TCSEC was replaced by the Common Criteria, you can read it here: http://gauss.ececs.uc.edu/Project4/Documents/common-criteria.pdf15:44
immudoes any one know the factor of 80?16:16
daftykinsthat question doesn't even make sense to me (:16:19
immuthe numbers that are multiplied to get a product are called its factors16:19
immuso what are the factors of the number 80 :)16:21
daftykinsthis game is a little school level16:22
BluesKajextremely well produced hoax or....?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNz7BNhdkfw16:22
immuBluesKaj, yup19:09

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