[03:21] <kkremitzki> I found a really interesting tool today which some of you might appreciate: https://github.com/soimort/translate-shell
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:21] <tsimonq2> yo
[06:21] <tsimonq2> I'm back in here :D
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> hey tsimonq2 wb
[06:22] <tsimonq2> Forgot why I left :)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: its very nice here these days :p
[06:22] <tsimonq2> Heh :)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> !kpti
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3516-1/
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> firefox holes, no kpti yet
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-17-04-the-last-release-with-unity-7-reaches-end-of-life-on-january-13-519257.shtml
[06:30] <tsimonq2> Scroll to the bottom of the article and do a /whois on me, lotuspsychje :)
[06:30] <tsimonq2> ;)
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> so upgrade to artful reccomended but iso reinstall not
[06:32] <tsimonq2> Right
[06:32] <tsimonq2> But it's ready for testing
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:32] <tsimonq2> I also wrote this ;) ;) http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-17-04-eol-and-lubuntu-17-10-respins/
[06:32] <tsimonq2> (has an FAQ and everything)
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> lets read
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: neat!
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/how-hackers-can-read-your-websites-passwords-using-meltdown-and-spectre-with-solution
[06:38] <EriC^> what are you naughty guys up to today
[06:38] <tsimonq2> Hey, long time no see :)
[06:39] <EriC^> hey :)
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: you usually idle in release and offtopic?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: just wokeup testing few bionic bugs
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> plymouth error windows on startup desktop, but when i tryed to bug, firefox freezed
[06:41] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: I left offtopic a while ago due to the high volume
[06:41] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: But yeah, I'm in most if not all of the development channels
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: ok mate wb anyhow
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> lets see what happens on ubuntu-bug plymouth
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1741598
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> worked
[06:51] <tsimonq2> Thanks lotuspsychje :)
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: now wich package should i bug against for touchpad at gdm3?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> cant click a username with touchpad tap, only left mouse button
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> not sure if its a bug yet or supposed to?
[06:53] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: I'd start with gdm3 :)
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> tested on several machines ubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: kk
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1741599
[07:18] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> all good there?
[07:21] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje - all well here, thanks. and you?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> great, playing bionic :p
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> and we have tsimonq2 back :p
[07:25] <ducasse> :)
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:37] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: we had 2 users on kde this morning with system lags/YT/games
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: what do you reccomend for system specs to run kde smooth?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> my old pc here runs snicely with an amd 5200+ cpu , 6GB Ram on a Samsung EVO 850 sdd and nvidia GT 210 gpu...but no games
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: perhaps 4gig ram is a must on kde? they tested same stuff on unity and that went smooth
[12:43] <BluesKaj> 4Gb should run ok, I ran kde4 on 4Gb until I added the 2Gb
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:45] <BluesKaj> there was Ram haif price sale on amazon so upgraded wifes and my pc
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> wb
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: i tested also on amd cpu/2gig ram 850 pro ssd and was laggy for me
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> i would upgrade, my netbook can only take 2
[12:54] <BluesKaj> I don't run any PIM apps like kmail and kontact and disable the akonadi server/desktop search in system settings
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> but main system still plasma right?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> cool
[13:04] <BluesKaj> there a lot of background services that can be disabled in startup & shtudown in system settings as well
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> aha
[13:12] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, but one has to experiment to see what some these service actually do...the descriptions are typical man type descriptions which can be meaningless to some
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ok tnx
[13:13] <BluesKaj> probly obvious to experienced linux user like you tho
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: i was just wondering for those 2 users, fresh installs and so many lag issues
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: and on the web, i read all kind of stuff users with lags and users saying kde real lightweight
[13:18] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, lightweight? it's usually the opposite :-)
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> kk
[13:19] <BluesKaj> kde can be a much heavier load than mate and xfce etc DEs
[13:20] <BluesKaj> that's why it's so flexible ...has alot of options and "looks" the other DEs don't have
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[13:21] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje, BluesKaj, everyone.  :)
[13:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw :-)
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3516-1/
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> new FF hole
[13:27] <pauljw> just installed new firefox update this morning...
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox bionic
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> ah
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: your on xenial?
[13:30] <pauljw> yeah lotuspsychje
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox xenial
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> im safe :p
[13:30] <pauljw> :)
[13:32] <pauljw> i do system updates every morning and firefox was all there was today.
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> here also auto updates
[13:34] <BluesKaj> I switched to chrome permanently about a yr ago due to the flash video plugin probs with FF
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> ah i run both FF & chromium
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> wb
[13:40] <EriC^^> thx
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> bad connection today EriC^^
[13:40] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wifi or cable?
[13:40] <EriC^^> wifi
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: your too far from modem?
[13:41] <EriC^^> hmm dont think so dunno
[13:41] <EriC^^> i put a repeater in the middle of the house
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> i can send you an eth cable if you want :p
[13:42] <EriC^^> great, send me a 40meter one :P
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> lollll
[13:42] <EriC^^> the modem is on the other side of the house, on the balcony
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i bought me a devolo for that
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: uses cable over powerline
[13:43] <EriC^^> nice
[13:43] <EriC^^> looks promising
[13:43] <EriC^^> hey immu
[13:43] <immu> EriC^^, hey
[13:43] <immu> whats up
[13:44] <EriC^^> not much, checking out home networking stuff
[13:44] <EriC^^> you?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> https://www.devolo.com/en/Products/dLAN-550-duo+
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> got this one EriC^^
[13:44] <EriC^^> that's crazy, so you just plug it into a wall and plug another in another wall and you got internet?
[13:45] <EriC^^> i'm definitely getting this
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: modem[13:46] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you can also buy the one with wifi
[13:46] <EriC^^> awesome i was just thinking that i need wifi
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> relatively cheap also
[13:46] <immu> i am in Windows
[13:46] <EriC^^> cool
[13:46] <immu> rebooting now
[13:46] <immu> lotuspsychje, is your homewired with lan?
[13:47] <daftykins> mine sure is :)
[13:47] <immu> i got a eight port patch panel
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[13:47] <daftykins> category 6 and full gigabit everywhere
[13:47] <daftykins> \o
[13:47] <daftykins> i've filled a 16 port switch now with all my toys
[13:47] <daftykins> to think i put 6 into my lounge but i'm using every single one already
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you got 16 pc's in your house?
[13:48] <daftykins> devices, not PCs
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> cool!
[13:48] <daftykins> well some are PCs of course but not all :>
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> what brand daftykins
[13:48] <daftykins> brand of what?
[13:49] <daftykins> lounge is TV, AV receiver, desktop gaming spec PC, Pi 3, xbox one and amazon FireTV
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: switch
[13:49] <daftykins> ah just a linksys that was cheap a couple of years ago in amazon deals
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> love linksys
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> i got the 4 port switch myself
[13:50] <daftykins> i always had netgear ones in the past, but 8 ports i grew out of fast :)
[13:51] <immu> with switch you don't have to worry about where your patch panels port are networked to? lotuspsychje daftykins
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: what purpose is your pi3?
[13:52] <daftykins> immu: well with a patch panel by your switch, you would just plug in or 'patch in' the ports you want to use, although in my case i just plugged them all in
[13:53] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: i run picoreplayer on it, so it pretends to be a logitech squeezebox - means both in my lounge and bedroom i can have fully synced up network music controlled from my phone :)
[13:53] <daftykins> with no ridiculous price of those Sonos systems people get
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> nice
[13:55] <pauljw> :)
[13:55] <daftykins> i used to use powerline adapters up to my bedroom too, but i put in fully wired during the house works in 2017 :)
[13:56] <daftykins> just the two up to there though
[13:58] <immu> i have a router acting a AP in my home in each room :) works wonders
[13:58] <BluesKaj> a friend had a dedicated filtered line run from his panel to his media room ...dunno if it made any difference in terms of video and audio qualities tho
[13:59] <daftykins> immu: that's a bit of a waste of power
[14:00] <daftykins> BluesKaj: haha, the network cable? sounds like an audiphile ;)
[14:00] <immu> not much, as i got only two, due to the placement of my master bedroom i cannot get proper wifi signals
[14:00] <daftykins> *audiophile
[14:00] <daftykins> immu: ah right
[14:00] <immu> and they are configured for power saving features available
[14:06] <immu> brb rebooting
[14:07] <BluesKaj> daftykins, it was meant for interference free power for mixers and recording his band mostly
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[14:11] <BluesKaj> the other media like TV and video equipment obviously received the benefits too
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> i ordered a devolo smoke detector for my brother in law
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> with android app
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> so when he's house is on fire, het gets a message :p
[14:18] <TJ-> Aren't these devices supposed to be smart? If so, why don't they but the fire out!?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> mobile[14:21] <lotuspsychje> these days hackers break into your default admin:1234 freezer over network, to open the garage and steal your car
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> great idea IOT
[14:22] <TJ-> As long as they don't steal the milk
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:28] <immu> back
[14:39] <EriC^^> wb immu!
[14:42] <immu> tu EriC^^
[14:42] <immu> whats the topic today? 17.04 is expiring
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah soon
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-17-04-the-last-release-with-unity-7-reaches-end-of-life-on-january-13-519257.shtml
[14:43] <daftykins> it was always a good feeling once the herd was culled :)
[14:44] <EriC^^> !mainline
[14:49] <immu> does any one know how to change from affirmative sentences into negative sentences
[14:49] <immu> i.e. sharon makes modles from clay, change it negative sentences
[14:50] <daftykins> "sharon makes crap modles from clay" ;D hehe nah i don't really follow you there
[14:51] <immu> afirmative sentences to negative, its grammer, :)
[14:52] <daftykins> grammar :)
[14:52] <daftykins> i think when you know English natively you don't understand it on a technical level, you just know what sounds correct
[14:53] <TJ-> "Sharon makes models from clay" --> "Sharon DOES NOT make models from clay"
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:54] <immu> tnx TJ- & daftykins
[14:55] <immu> true daftykins
[14:55] <TJ-> "Intel makes secure CPUs" --> "Intel DOES NOT make secure CPUs"
[14:55] <daftykins> "Sharon said sod this for a game o' monkeys, and threw the clay out the window"
[14:55] <daftykins> TJ-: :D
[14:56] <TJ-> "My PC is 100% Secure" --> "My PC is on the scrap heap"
[14:56] <immu> Intel on purpose choose to make a crappy processor
[14:57] <daftykins> er, no
[14:57]  * lotuspsychje roflol
[15:03] <BluesKaj> heh, my Lenov has an intel i3 cpu ..best of both worlds :-)
[15:03] <TJ-> Intel did choose (as did other chip designers); it was a design decision for performance over security. Even the more difficult to exploit speculative cache timing atacks were known of, and designed against, in the 1970s/80s
[15:03] <BluesKaj> lenovo
[15:17] <immu> linus did say something over such a decision
[15:18] <daftykins> well he is somewhat biased when things like that occur
[15:18] <daftykins> sure it was dumb in hindsight, but nobody is smart for second guessing years later :)
[15:40] <TJ-> daftykins: the thing is, these issues were well known in computer engineering and cryptography from the 1980s, but were ignored or not taken seriously. There are secure design standards and methodologies that explicitly call out these issues, under the headings 'storage' and 'timing' (TCSEC) which specifically require consideration of Covert Channel Analysis
[15:41] <daftykins> ah right
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> bbl have a nice1
[15:44] <TJ-> TCSEC was replaced by the Common Criteria, you can read it here: http://gauss.ececs.uc.edu/Project4/Documents/common-criteria.pdf
[16:16] <immu> does any one know the factor of 80?
[16:19] <daftykins> that question doesn't even make sense to me (:
[16:19] <immu> the numbers that are multiplied to get a product are called its factors
[16:21] <immu> so what are the factors of the number 80 :)
[16:22] <daftykins> this game is a little school level
[16:22] <BluesKaj> extremely well produced hoax or....?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNz7BNhdkfw
[19:09] <immu> BluesKaj, yup