[00:26] <zomaar> Is it likely that a dosbox game running very sluggishly in installed Kubuntu 16.04.3 but fine in Live Kubuntu 16.04.3 would be caused by a bad SATA controller?
[00:27] <zomaar> I.e. no other differences can be observed other than that the installed system runs off nVidia software raid.
[00:29] <G4ston> Hello guys!
[00:29] <G4ston> I wanted to ask, is it safe to install ubuntu 18 alpha directly as dual boot with windows ?
[00:30] <dax> if you have to worry whether it's safe, you probably shouldn't be using development versions
[00:30] <dax> also, #ubuntu+1 for bionic discussion
[00:33] <zomaar> So in the Live session I also have the RAID automatically activated; however causes no problems.
[00:33] <G4ston> whoops, thanks though :)
[00:33] <zomaar> It seems impossible that my, for the rest of it, default KDE environment would cause issues; also no difference between nVidia and Nouveau.
[00:34] <nacc> zomaar: well, just because it's active doesn't mean you're using it
[00:34] <nacc> zomaar: also fakeraid ... is not great
[00:35] <tatertots> zomaar: have you check to see of other "end users" of the "dosbox" game share similar symptom(s)?????
[00:35] <tatertots> statistically that's where a person would launch an investigation
[00:36] <tatertots> an investigating person..
[00:36] <tatertots> or a curious person i guess also
[00:39] <zomaar> nacc: Of course, the difference would be that in one case my root filesystem is on it, and in the other, nothing important.
[00:39] <nacc> zomaar: well, nothing at all, unless you are mounting your disks in your live session
[00:40] <nacc> zomaar: it is probably not mounted at all, in the live case
[00:41] <zomaar> tatertots: No if the game runs fine in Live session, and the amount of Ubuntu 16.04 users of a dosbox game from 1996 running into the same problems when my controller appears to be faulty (in Linux) to begin with, then I don't think that's a statistical good place to start tbh.
[00:41] <zomaar> nacc: Yes I mounted it to copy the game into tmpfs.
[00:42] <nacc> zomaar: right, but then you aren't actively using the RAID anymore
[00:42] <zomaar> nacc: correct.
[00:42] <nacc> zomaar: did you try running the game from the RAID controller in your live session?
[00:42] <zomaar> nacc: That's the point, I will have to copy the system to another harddisk and run it from there to see what happens.
[00:42] <zomaar> nacc: No I forgot, but I copied it into tmpfs on the installed system as well.
[00:44] <zomaar> But even in the live session probably the entire game would be cached into memory anyway.
[00:45] <zomaar> This controller, at least with the raid, caused severe kernel hangs.....or stalls.... causing the clock to run behind constantly
[00:46] <zomaar> I fixed that by disabling native command queueing for those harddisks.
[00:46] <zomaar> But I think it might still be the problem here :p.
[00:47] <zomaar> So I think the entire system just periodically hangs and I first notice it with this game :p.
[00:47] <zomaar> Although music plays fine.
[00:47] <zomaar> The midi in the game also suffers from slowdowns/speedups.
[00:48] <zomaar> So yeah I was happy with the raid because it was natively supported (by Grub also)
[00:48] <zomaar> and that's a unicum I think :p.
[00:49] <zomaar> But in the end it doesn't work so well because the sata drivers are probably bad.
[00:50] <zomaar> Then again that might happen in non-raid as well but I will have to check
[00:51] <zomaar> Some sata controllers are just badly supported, also Maxwell controllers for instance.
[00:54] <zomaar> But you know firmware raid basically just uses dmraid mapper which is generic, together with format on disk which is vendor-specific
[00:56] <zomaar> So there isn't really any "nvidia_raid" module.
[00:57] <zomaar> So there is just dmraid modules together with nv_sata module.
[01:23] <zomaar> Actually raid0 doesn't even use the dm-raid module, it uses directly a stripe target that is just builtin.
[01:46] <daniel_> can anyone help me with sound problems?
[01:47] <Majora320> Anyone else getting errors trying to install libssl and openssl?
[01:47] <skwingar> yes
[01:48] <Majora320> I imagine build infrastructure depending on docker containers will be down everywhere
[01:48] <skwingar> a result of the emergency patches for the intel spectre / meltdown situation?
[01:49] <Majora320> Maybe. Don't know why they would pull the package, though, everyone already has the affected version if that is in fact the problem.
[01:50] <daniel_> why does my sound work when i install but the card doesnt get detected when i reboot, i've tried sudo alsa force-reload and restart which worked once and not again
[01:51] <daniel_> is there a generic driver i can get to load each time? my card is intel series 6 c200 and i can only find windows drivers
[01:52] <daniel_> msg me if anyone knows please dont want to have to switch back to windows!
[01:53] <Majora320> daniel_: sound uses pulse on top of also, maybe try to reload that
[01:53] <Majora320> no idea though
[01:53] <Majora320> pavucontrol has a sound card selector
[01:53] <daniel_> cool thankyou will have a look
[01:54] <Majora320> skwingar: it seems the libssl packages are only down for ubuntu4.9: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssl/
[01:54] <Majora320> 4.10s are still there
[01:55] <skwingar> ahh, I see. Thanks for heads up
[01:56] <skwingar> I've no idea, myself, in regard to your sound issue. Hopefully someone else comes around with an answer for you though. Good luck!
[01:56] <daniel_> thanks skwingar :)
[01:59] <skwingar> :)
[02:06] <SnakeEater97> Hi, I plugged my usb in but it doesn't appear in media
[02:06] <SnakeEater97> I use lsusb it appears but it doesn't show in lsblk or df
[02:06] <Majora320> SnakeEater97: is it formatted correctly?
[02:07] <SnakeEater97> well I format by right clicking it, select slow formatting.
[02:07] <SnakeEater97> and the usb disappeared, it still doesn't show up
[02:08] <Majora320> are you sure it doesn't show up in lsblk?
[02:08] <Majora320> or does the disk show up but not the partitions?
[02:09] <SnakeEater97> it shows up in lsusb
[02:10] <SnakeEater97> but doesn't with lsblk
[02:10] <Majora320> what I mean by that, is does something like "sdx" show up but not "sdx1"
[02:11] <Majora320> find a drive in there you don't recognize
[02:11] <Majora320> check the size
[02:22] <__0xbadc0de__> Hello
[02:22] <__0xbadc0de__> what is the risk of trying a dual boot in my machine?
[02:23] <__0xbadc0de__> is there a considerable risk of screwing up windows?
[02:24] <Sean_McG> if you don't know what you are doing, perhaps
[02:25] <al_> Hello?
[02:28] <Guest26173> I'm using ubuntu thru Win-7 ... I'm trying to "copy" from ubuntu and "paste" to Win 7 ... and of course it's not working. Any Tips?
[02:29] <wedgie> Guest26173: as a VM? What hypervisor? Virtualbox? VMware workstation?
[02:29] <wedgie> have you installed the guest additions/vmware tools?
[02:30] <Guest26173> No. I haven't installed them.
[02:30] <wedgie> that's step 1
[02:30] <Guest26173> Ok, thank you.
[02:51] <econdudeawesome> Hi all. Facing potentially dead external USB drive, dmesg shows plugin but not showing up in lsusb and what have you. Any ideas?
[02:56] <antoaaaaa> hi
[03:01] <tomreyn> econdudeawesome: remove drive from enclosure, connect to computer via SATA cable / connector, run long SMART self test.
[03:01] <antoaaaaa> oi
[03:01] <antoaaaaa> yes
[03:01] <tomreyn> econdudeawesome: i'm assuming this is a hard disk or ssd
[03:01] <antoaaaaa> hd
[03:02] <econdudeawesome> hard disk
[03:02] <econdudeawesome> Old Western Digital Passport
[03:03] <tomreyn> econdudeawesome: then this approach should work. there may also be firmware upgrades available for this drive.
[03:03] <tomreyn> hello antoaaaaa, do you need any ubuntu support?
[03:03] <antoaaaaa> no i'm user only
[03:04] <tomreyn> econdudeawesome: btw. it's unpleasent to notice you asking the same wquestion here and in #debian. please don't do this in the future.
[03:06] <hmonster> Hello, im stuck with debian installer  im getting error msg "fail install grub dummy" any solution please
[03:07] <econdudeawesome> tomreyn: Apologies, #debian is not always active.
[03:08] <hmonster> Hello, im stuck with debian installer im getting error msg "fail install grub dummy" also im facing this problem with ubuntu!! any solution please
[03:10] <tomreyn> hmonster: which ubuntu release are you trying to install? what's the name of the iso file you downloaded?
[03:11] <hmonster> tomreyn, Server 16.04 TLS
[03:16] <tomreyn> hmonster: thanks for answering one of my two questions. unfortunately i can't wait more for you to answer the second, need to leave for now.
[03:17] <tomreyn> consider disabling secureboot in your uefi / bios, though.
[03:17] <antoaaaaa> toms
[03:17] <antoaaaaa> hi
[03:22] <hmonster> tomreyn, I did and still not working
[03:26] <antoaaaaa> hi
[03:31] <kkremitzki> Is there a non-destructive way to check the health of an SD card in use? Should I just use smartmontools?
[03:35] <Snowie> howdy all. Anyone free to help me work out why i'm having dns issues on 17.10? doesnt seem to matter if i use google dns or my isp's via the gateway. Seems worse in chrome. Just get an error when loading pages occasionally, sometimes even while im on that page, and eventually chrome seems to try again and be able to get the page open.
[03:36] <kkremitzki> I've seen similar behavior Snowie
[03:36] <Snowie> This is what i get https://paste.ubuntu.com/26329805/
[03:36] <Snowie> then it will just refresh itself after a few seconds and work
[03:37] <Snowie> kkremitzki: ok, so not just me.
[03:37] <Snowie> kkremitzki: i was a bit wary about coming here as i cant be sure it's a ubuntu issue and not chrome
[03:37] <kkremitzki> I see it in Firefox Nightly
[03:37] <Snowie> i "think" i have had the same issue in firefox
[03:37] <Snowie> ok, so then we are likely looking at 17.10 then
[03:38] <kkremitzki> It seems plausible, that's what I'm on currently
[03:45] <antoaaaaa> hello
[03:45] <Snowie> kkremitzki: was your's a roll up from a previous version or fresh install of 17.10. mines fresh, just comparing notes
[03:45] <kkremitzki> It was a fresh install
[04:00] <Snowie> so i tried to run this fix
[04:00] <Snowie> https://osdocs.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/ubuntu-17-04-and-yet-another-round-of-i-fucked-up-your-resolv-conf-for-you-while-you-were-expecting-an-improved-distro/
[04:00] <Snowie> sorry about the tone on that one team
[04:00] <Snowie> and i can't link to a file I just removed right?
[04:00] <Snowie> what am i missing here
[04:01] <blastermaster>  /msg NickServ identify Madelene7377@
[04:01] <Snowie> blastermaster: time to change your password but
[04:01] <blastermaster> yep
[04:13] <Majora320> is it hunter2?
[04:13] <streaky> yeah never identify in a channel window, always ends badly sooner or later
[04:14] <streaky> i did it once many years ago, you only do that once..
[04:16] <Snowie> kkremitzki: so after a restart, it's immediately like I upgraded my internet plan or something. pages loading instantly. try this https://osdocs.wordpress.com/2017/05/03/ubuntu-17-04-and-yet-another-round-of-i-fucked-up-your-resolv-conf-for-you-while-you-were-expecting-an-improved-distro/
[04:16] <Snowie> and again, sorry about the tone of that article, but it did work
[04:23] <XXCoder> im kinda wondering if I can install ubuntu on this system without losing settings, /home, etc
[04:23] <XXCoder> this is xfce mint, a fork of ubuntu
[04:24] <dagreenmamba> in my experience mint->ubuntu is much harder to not break than ubuntu->mint
[04:25] <dagreenmamba> if I have a dual boot workstation, is there a way I can choose the OS on boot via remote?
[04:26] <dagreenmamba> also the ubuntu drive is encrypted, so I'll need to put in that passphrase remotely as well :')
[04:28] <dagreenmamba> anyone have ideas or know of a place to ask?
[04:30] <Majora320> dagreenmamba: you'd need a full network stack in the bootloader...
[04:30] <Majora320> ooh, I know
[04:30] <XXCoder> thanks. xfce mint updates stuff so slowly
[04:30] <Majora320> with uefi at least you can choose next bootable os
[04:30] <XXCoder> its still in 17.04. but same time 17.10 ubuntu killed bunch of bios
[04:30] <Majora320> so boot into linux, use efibootmgr to do that, then reboot
[04:31] <streaky> crypto pass though :p
[04:31] <streaky> any sort of SOL would probably do it but..
[04:32] <fredi-sj> I'm still happy using MBR scheme partitioning and AMIBIOS
[04:32] <fredi-sj> I heard about the Insyde/Lenovo "incident"
[04:33] <streaky> no uefi no party.. basically impossible to buy a motherboard without these days, if not totally
[04:33] <fredi-sj> I know
[04:33] <streaky> really easy to dump keys though so..
[04:34] <XXCoder> ah but more and more quite powerful single board computers
[04:34] <XXCoder> orangepi is one of more powerful ones. though dunno ifg it has uefi
[04:35] <streaky> it's inevitable even to the extent it isn't today, plus lets not kid ourselves about powerful, decent as they are
[04:36] <alteregoa> 4.4.110 and microcode 20171215 if you run intel is there
[04:37] <alteregoa> still waiting for some gcc patches
[04:38] <alteregoa> firefox with retpoline and stuff
[04:38] <fredi-sj> Provided one know what are doing, I've heard Flash EEPROM programmers could fix tainted chips
[05:39] <fgt> yo niggas
[05:39] <fgt> i just got ubuntu lmao
[05:39] <fgt> how u fams doin
[05:40] <fgt> y'all niggas not one for talking eh
[06:16] <staminga> .org
[06:30] <apt-cacher-ng> Splitting up /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/httpredir.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_InRelease into data and signature failed
[06:31] <apt-cacher-ng> E: The repository 'http://httpredir.debian.org/debian sid InRelease' is not signed.
[06:31] <apt-cacher-ng> Does this mean the file is corrupt by the proxy server?
[06:31] <EriC^> apt-cacher-ng: seems like ot
[06:31] <EriC^> *it
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^
[06:31] <EriC^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:31] <apt-cacher-ng> EriC^: Should I just drop it on the server?
[06:32] <EriC^> you mean copy it manually?
[06:33] <EriC^> sure why not
[06:34] <blaster> lk
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> blaster: can we help you?
[06:34] <apt-cacher-ng> EriC^: no I did rm -r debrep/dists/sid/InRelease
[06:34] <apt-cacher-ng> EriC^: now running apt-get update
[06:34] <apt-cacher-ng> What is the difference between apt and apt-get in terms of update/upgrade other commands?
[06:35] <EriC^> apt-cacher-ng: update is the same just prettier, upgrade has more features in apt than apt-get
[06:35] <EriC^> full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are the same
[06:36] <apt-cacher-ng> Which one should I use? I'm new to this.
[06:36] <apt-cacher-ng> debrep/dists/sid/InRelease [HTTP error, code: 503]
[06:36] <apt-cacher-ng> sucks
[06:36] <EriC^> apt-cacher-ng: use apt update && apt full-upgrade
[06:37] <apt-cacher-ng> What about packages kept back? Will not full-upgrade mess with them?
[06:37] <apt-cacher-ng> Are they kept back for some purpose like not to brake things?
[06:37] <apt-cacher-ng> redownloaded files and the error gone for now.
[06:37] <EriC^> no, they're just kept back cause something has to be removed or installed to satisfy them
[06:38] <EriC^> cool
[06:38] <apt-cacher-ng> why full-upgrade and not just upgrade?
[06:38] <apt-cacher-ng> I'm now running it.
[06:38] <EriC^> it updates the kernel and other stuff too
[06:39] <apt-cacher-ng> other stuff?
[06:39] <EriC^> well whatever package needs something to be installed or removed
[06:39] <EriC^> usually the kernel
[06:39] <apt-cacher-ng> how to make apt not to ask questions even when it wants to restart services like after a glibc update?
[06:41] <EriC^> apt-cacher-ng: use apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[06:41] <EriC^> apt-get is more for scripts and non-interactive stuff
[06:42] <apt-cacher-ng> perfect!
[06:43] <apt-cacher-ng> how to make grc to be used by default via the bash profile by root?
[06:43] <apt-cacher-ng> I want to have apt-get output to be colored for easier error spotting
[06:51] <quint> I can't get ncat to listen on a specific port while trying to use a link local ipv6
[06:53] <quint> for example, running: ncat -6vlp 8080 fe80::214:2aff:fe90:4a1e%enp2s21
[06:53] <quint> returns: Ncat: Listening on fe80::214:2aff:fe90:4a1e:31337
[06:54] <quint> Version 7.40
[06:55] <whendricso> hi
[06:55] <whendricso> I am ubuntu n00b
[06:56] <effortDee> hi
[06:56] <effortDee> me 2
[06:57] <strive> hi whendricso
[06:57] <strive> whendricso: New to Linux in general?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> !manual | whendricso effortDee
[06:58] <effortDee> ty lotuspsychje i been on ubuntu a few months now
[06:58] <effortDee> loving it
[06:58] <effortDee> absolutely loving it
[06:58] <whendricso> oops
[06:59] <whendricso> I deleted the windows list panel
[06:59] <whendricso> ten seconds in and I already broke something xD
[07:00] <whendricso> okay fixed
[07:00] <whendricso> hahaha
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> !chat | whendricso
[07:12] <trincyolo> / set aspell.check.suggestions 3
[07:26] <ergodicwalk> Hi
[07:26] <ergodicwalk> I'm having a lot of issues with video on ubuntu
[07:27] <ergodicwalk> I'm running 16.04 LTS with KDE plasma
[07:27] <ergodicwalk> my machine is super recent as well (HP laptop) and is only running ubuntu
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: system up to date?
[07:27] <ergodicwalk> but when I watch any videos on chrome/firefox (like hulu or youtube)
[07:27] <ergodicwalk> it slows my laptop WAY down
[07:27] <ergodicwalk> lotuspsychje: what do you mean?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: 16.04.3?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: you can check with lsb_release -a
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: installed the restricted-extras and video driver installed correctly?
[07:28] <ergodicwalk> yes. (also another data point: chrome is 96% CPU)
[07:29] <MarkB2> I'm linking a C program to two libraries part of a package distributed by Canonical for Ubuntu 17.10 .
[07:29] <ergodicwalk> No LSB modules are available.
[07:29] <ergodicwalk> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[07:29] <ergodicwalk> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[07:29] <ergodicwalk> Release:        16.04
[07:29] <ergodicwalk> Codename:       xenial
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: sudo lshw -C video to check driver=
[07:29] <MarkB2> At the end of the link phase, I get an error from ld(1) saying that there are bunch of undefined symbols.
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: try avoid paste in here mate
[07:29] <ergodicwalk> lotuspsychje: it says "No LSB modules are available"
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: its cool, .3 release
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: vlc or smplayer playing fine?
[07:30] <MarkB2> I use nm(1) to inspect the library supposedly holding that symbol and, yes, there it is.
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> MarkB2: try to ask your question all in one line plz, with all details,ubuntu version
[07:31] <ergodicwalk> lotuspsychje: what details do you want from sudo lshw -C video
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: driver= at bottom
[07:31] <MarkB2> lotuspsychje: Alright... but if I retype the entire problem am I going to get booted for being ..verbose?
[07:32] <ergodicwalk> lotuspsychje: it says configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[07:33] <MarkB2> Anyway... I can't figure out why it isn't scanning the library even though I've got -Lpath_to_library and -llibrary_name on the command line.
[07:33] <ergodicwalk> this is repeatable in firefox or chrome. it just kills my laptop if i'm streaming any video.
[07:33] <cloaks> mailspring is okay to install, right guys?
[07:35] <pikapika> Hi I got information about USN-3516-1 just now and followed the instructions. So does this only fix Firefox, and the rest of the os is still unsafe from the technique? Anyways, at least one of the bigger causes was fixed quickly
[07:35] <ergodicwalk>  lotuspsychje: any ideas?
[07:36] <zomaar> Yesterday I asked about a system performing extremely slow with Theme Hospital; the installed system
[07:36] <ergodicwalk> like the video is also super laggy to. It is clearly streaming quickly (i.e., its not just sitting an waiting for packets to arrive/network issues)
[07:36] <ergodicwalk> but the video is reallllly laggy. the hardware i'm using isn't that old.
[07:36] <zomaar> the Live system did not have any troubles, and I thought the problem was my firmware raid
[07:38] <zomaar> However copying my system to a different harddisk, and then disabling/unloading the firmware raid, I still have the same issue, while a fresh install on that same (new) harddisk does not have the problem
[07:38] <kostkon> pikapika, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/
[07:39] <zomaar> How on earth can a reasonably new system installation produce such lag?
[07:39] <pikapika> Thank you kostkon
[07:39] <kostkon> pikapika, np
[07:40] <ergodicwalk>  lotuspsychje: any ideas?
[07:40] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: what is your specific cpu model? grep model /proc/cpuinfo
[07:40] <zomaar> ergodicwalk: what was the topic?
[07:41] <ergodicwalk> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU
[07:41] <ergodicwalk> oops. alkisg: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU
[07:43] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: that's a fast cpu, it should be able to play 4-5 SD youtube videos without lags. What's the `load average` on `top` while playing a video?
[07:44] <alkisg> zomaar: theme hospital? how are you playing this on linux, via dosbox?
[07:44] <ergodicwalk> alkisg what do you mean by load average
[07:44] <zomaar> yes
[07:44] <zomaar> I mean, alkisg: yes.
[07:44] <zomaar> alkisg: It runs fine in live session and fresh install but not in my slightly older install
[07:45] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: like there's a single PID with > 100% CPU utilization
[07:45] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: run `top`, see first line there
[07:45] <ergodicwalk> chrome
[07:45] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: right now says 8.74
[07:45] <zomaar> alkisg: with the only big difference I guess that I have tried installing and uninstalled nvidia driver
[07:46] <alkisg> zomaar: maybe you have dosbox misconfigured in your installation. Try either moving .dosbox elsewhere, or better yet, in the guest session, so that we see if it's  a user settings issue, or a system settings issue
[07:46] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: chrome isn't an ubuntu program, it's not supported here. Try with firefox instead
[07:47] <ergodicwalk> alkisg. I will try with firefox and re-report the numbers.
[07:47] <zomaar> alkisg: No I copy the entire game including dosbox settings
[07:47] <zomaar> alkisg: So the settings are always the same
[07:48] <alkisg> zomaar: you copy ~/.dosbox? Or just the game folder?
[07:48] <zomaar> alkisg: No the game comes with its own dosbox config files that completely overrides the user installed settings.
[07:49] <alkisg> zomaar: and otherwise your system performs fast, e.g. you can watch youtube videos fullscreen without lags etc?
[07:49] <zomaar> alkisg: Yes no issues.
[07:50] <alkisg> zomaar: ok, can you try with the guest account anyway, just to make sure it's not related to user settings?
[07:50] <zomaar> alkisg: Sure
[07:50] <alkisg> It's a big separation there, searching user vs system settings, it's a basic thing to check out first
[07:50] <zomaar> alkisg: Brb.
[07:50] <alkisg> ok
[07:53] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: same issue. can already see the laggy behavior. Web Content is now 182% util, and firefox 90.1 (top two PID in top). Also the load average numbers are: 6.68, 6.34, 6.53
[07:54] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: and that's just by watching a youtube video, nothing else straining the cpu? which video is that, so that we test locally?
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: did you check if ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: like alkisg says with such specs, YT should play flawless..even on intel graphics
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: smplayer smooth or laggy?
[07:56] <ergodicwalk> lotuspsychje: it was not installed actually. do I need to restart to see an effect?
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: no, just browser
[07:57] <ergodicwalk> ok. installing and then I will restart browser.
[07:57] <zomaar> Back
[07:57] <ergodicwalk> also alkisg: no I have a few other applications (like atom and dolphin) open. I can close them. The video happens to be on hulu. I can switch to something on YT so its easy to test
[07:57] <zomaar> alkisg: 100% the same.
[07:58] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: anything shareable here would be fine
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: just curious, your ubuntu was a clean install or upgrade from?
[07:58] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: for example, it may be a problem with kde, so if we don't have any isue here, you may narrow it down
[07:59] <ergodicwalk> lotuspsychje: clean install. wiped windows even
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> well kde is bit heavy
[07:59] <alkisg> zomaar: and are you using the same ubuntu version on both live and installed? or if not, which ones?
[07:59] <ergodicwalk> lotuspsychje:  and alkisg: yeah it is possible. A while back I was just using unity and I had super smooth performance
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> i think with unity and gnome, kde is the most eyecandy:heavyness
[08:00] <Disaster_Area> anyone w/ practical advice on installing latex packages for use w/ texworks?
[08:00] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: you could test with some live cd too, and report if it's specific to a certain desktop environment like kde
[08:00] <zomaar> zomaar: Yes, 16.04.3
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: perhaps talk to the #kubuntu guys what can be done to tweak lightweight?
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> !latex | Disaster_Area can this help?
[08:01] <alkisg> zomaar: ok, what's the output of this? sudo lshw | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:02] <zomaar> Erm, wasn't that supposed to give a link back?
[08:03] <alkisg> It should, yes
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> ergodicwalk: interesting: https://www.hecticgeek.com/2016/05/ubuntu-16-04-flavors-comparison/
[08:05] <zomaar> alkisg: I put it here http://paste.debian.net/1003713/
[08:06] <zomaar> alkisg: Also I must say this system has had strange keyboard lag for a while which is probably related
[08:06] <zomaar> I just cannot comprehend what could be wrong
[08:06] <alkisg> zomaar: you have nouveau, which isn't optimal for games, although the live cd would have that too. How do you see that keyboard lag?
[08:07] <zomaar> alkisg: No I just uninstalled nVidia to test
[08:07] <zomaar> alkisg: The input (when repetitive) will stall for a slight moment before continuing.
[08:08] <zomaar> alkisg: e.g. when holding enter in a terminal, you will see it not have the same speed but lag now and then
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> zomaar: wich ubuntu version was this?
[08:10] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: and lotuspsychje: still laggy with literally one video only playing on firefox, konversation (for irc chat) and that's it.
[08:10] <alkisg> zomaar: can you also upload the output of dmesg?
[08:10] <ergodicwalk> the video is MKBHD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3WIRF595U
[08:10] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: is that fullscreen or windowed
[08:10] <alkisg> ?
[08:10] <zomaar> It's 16.04.3
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> kk
[08:10] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: windowed!
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> zomaar: on unity right?
[08:11] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: my load average is less than 1 while watching this
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> zomaar: you recall wich nvidia- driver version you tested on?
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> zomaar: ubuntu-drivers list to check all
[08:12] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: my load averages are 5.2, 5.6, 6.2
[08:12] <zomaar> lotuspsychje: tbh this is KDE
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> ahh
[08:12] <zomaar> lotuspsychje: 384
[08:12] <biswaz> hello. how do i run gksu --user root mount -r "/dev/sda3" "/media/Windows/"
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> same story as ergodicwalk i think, kde being heavy
[08:12] <biswaz> without error
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> zomaar: tested your game on unity?
[08:13] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: even with the video paused: ! oad average: 2.37, 4.70, 5.82
[08:13] <biswaz> i need someway to "group" the mount -r "/dev/sda3" "/media/Windows/"  into one single command as pass it as an argument to gksu
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> !mount | biswaz
[08:14] <alkisg> Guys, both of you, try this: sudo wget http://termbin.com/5yn1 -O /usr/share/xsessions/xterm.desktop. Then, reboot, and select the xterm session to login without using kde. Then, run firefox or dosbox from that xterm, and see if it goes fast. If yes, then KDE is to blame.
[08:14] <biswaz> yes. I want to mount. It it working perfectly in sudo  mount -r "/dev/sda3" "/media/Windows/"
[08:14] <alkisg> ergodicwalk, zomaar ^
[08:15] <biswaz> now I want to use graphical sudo gksu
[08:15] <zomaar> alkisg: http://paste.debian.net/1003715/
[08:16] <biswaz> ubottu: lotuspsychje: any ideas?
[08:16] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: okay. rebooting now see you on the other end lol
[08:16] <zomaar> lotuspsychje: I believe I had Unity installed on this system at one point but it is not easy to run it
[08:16] <zomaar> alkisg: Can do
[08:17] <zomaar> Brb
[08:20] <KarlMarx> How do I install Ubuntu on my iPhone 7 Plus
[08:22] <ikonia> KarlMarx: you don't
[08:22] <ikonia> lets not mess around please
[08:26] <ergodicwalk> alkisg: so it was way faster in xterm.desktop but somehow when I reboot into KDE plasma it is not lagging now. idk why. same exact apps open. also, the top averages are 2.18, 1.09, 0.46
[08:26] <alkisg> ergodicwalk: heh, keep that xterm.desktop around then, it helps :P
[08:27] <alkisg> OK, a KDE problem, to be reported in #kubuntu etc
[08:27] <ergodicwalk> yeah.
[08:27] <ergodicwalk> I messaged
[08:30] <Rebelnet> hi
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> Rebelnet: welcome, how can we help you?
[08:31] <Rebelnet> can't get ubuntu to run on my chromebook
[08:32] <Rebelnet> weird
[08:32] <Zythyr> Need help. I have a 3TB external HDD which is formatted to NTFS. When I connect it to a PC running Ubuntu Live USB, the NTFS drive doens't show up. Instead it shows up as ZFS in Gparted
[08:32] <Rebelnet> tried 4 times
[08:33] <nick347> do you mean you tried to install it 4 times and it wouldn't boot when you installed it? Or does the livecd not work?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> Rebelnet: to install ubuntu on a chromebook you need to do a few things, think crouton & modyfied kernel etc
[08:34] <ikonia> none of which is actually ubuntu
[08:34] <ikonia> or supported in this channel
[08:34] <Rebelnet> yeah, i did used crouton
[08:36] <ducasse> Rebelnet: try #crouton, maybe
[08:44] <zomaar> I'm sorry I am just an idiot.
[08:44] <zomaar> I had set the CPU governer to conservative and had long since forgotten that I had done so :p.
[08:46] <zomaar> Thank you for your help, this helped me remember my folly, some 10 minutes ago before I tried the xterm thing.
[08:50] <zomaar> alkisg: Thanks for your help, the ondemand governer works fine.
[08:50] <trincyolo> Hi all! I installed unbuntu 17 on my laptop and external monitor worked no porblem. Installed LTS and now it doesn't work. Any ideas on where to look? It won't even detect.
[08:51] <zomaar> trincyolo: what kernel do you have installed? (uname -a)
[08:52] <zomaar> Or uname -r,
[08:52] <trincyolo> zomaar: 4.10.0-42-generic #46~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 4 15:57:59 UTC 2017
[08:52] <trincyolo> zomaar: 4.10.0-42-generic
[08:54] <zomaar> trincyolo: Did you run 17.04 or 17.10?
[08:54] <trincyolo> zomaar: 17,10 i think
[08:55] <zomaar> sudo apt install linux-image-virtual-hwe-16.04-edge
[08:56] <zomaar> oh sorry
[08:56] <zomaar> stop
[08:56] <trincyolo> zomaar: what is that?
[08:56] <zomaar> sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[08:57] <zomaar> trincyolo: That is a newer kernel that matches that in 17.10
[08:57] <trincyolo> zomaar: oh, why would it be the kernel itself and not a driver or something?
[08:57] <zomaar> type "apt show linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge" to see information on it
[08:58] <zomaar> trincyolo: What graphics chipset do you have?
[08:58] <trincyolo> don't know. says nvidia geforce gtx on the sticker
[08:59] <ikonia> why are you randomly installing kernels
[08:59] <alkisg> zomaar: glad you solved it :)
[08:59] <zomaar> trincyolo: The nvidia Nouveau driver is included with the kernel and can have later hardware support.
[08:59] <ikonia> have you even looked at the log to see why xorg can't see the display
[08:59] <trincyolo> zomaar: isn't updating the kernel a big deal?
[08:59] <ikonia> it is for no reason
[08:59] <ikonia> just randomly changing packages is not how to debug and fix a problem
[08:59] <zomaar> trincyolo: Not really, you can boot to the older kernel via the menu
[09:00] <zomaar> ikonia: If you have time for all of that, go ahead.
[09:01] <ikonia> zomaar: that is not the attitude
[09:01] <ikonia> if you don't have time for debugging a problem properly - don't help
[09:01] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay thanks. I'll install that after a little looking around first
[09:01] <zomaar> ikonia: I said you were welcome.
[09:01] <ikonia> but do not suggest randomly installing stuff
[09:01] <zomaar> a kernel can break no things, that is end of discussion.
[09:01] <ikonia> zomaar: you missunderstood, I'm telling you if YOU don't have time to debug something properly
[09:01] <ikonia> don't help
[09:01] <trincyolo> ikonia: what do you suggest I look at first
[09:02] <ikonia> trincyolo: maybe the xorg logs to see if it trys to see the screen and if it fails
[09:02] <ikonia> trincyolo: also your video card and it's respective xorg driver
[09:02] <MarkB2> Ubuntu 17.10 nvidia 340 drivers loaded... and I keep getting this "libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate".  Might someone know how to clear this error?
[09:02] <ikonia> trincyolo: manually try to configure the monitor with xrandr for example
[09:02] <trincyolo> ikonia: I don't know how to do that
[09:02] <ikonia> trincyolo: basically work the problem through, people in the channel can and will help
[09:02] <ikonia> trincyolo: the logs are in /var/log/xorg
[09:03] <trincyolo> ikonia: okay I'll check them
[09:03] <zomaar> MarkB2: Are you sure you have driver 340? It seems rather old, if you install any later driver it will automatically install 384
[09:04] <trincyolo> ikonia: no such file or directory
[09:04] <ikonia> trincyolo: pastebin the output of ls -la /var/log
[09:04] <MarkB2> zomaar: Hm.  Let me check that.. should be under proprietary drivers... back in a minute.
[09:06] <zomaar> trincyolo: If you want info on the recognised ports, the easiest command is to just type "xrandr"
[09:06] <MarkB2> zomaar: The NVidia control panel says driver 340.104 .  It's an older video card, a GeForce 9800 GT
[09:06] <trincyolo> ikonia: https://pastebin.com/DJ0D6f8K
[09:06] <ikonia> trincyolo: Xorg.0.log
[09:06] <zomaar> MarkB2: Right, so it uses what you would call the legacy driver
[09:06] <ikonia> trincyolo: you'll need to try to help yourself a little bit
[09:07] <ikonia> trincyolo: I said /var/log/xorg - there is Xorg.0.log
[09:07] <ikonia> trincyolo: remember we can't see your machine
[09:07] <MarkB2> zomaar: I'll take your word for it... ubuntu installed this when it "saw" that board.  Board still works fine..
[09:08] <zomaar> So there is actually no issue? I have no info on the error myself.
[09:08] <trincyolo> ikonia: I'm not sure what you are trying to say to me
[09:09] <trincyolo> ikonia: I tried to find the logs
[09:09] <MarkB2> zomaar: No no... the driver seems to run okay... but that error pops up when trying to run Scilab (http://www.scilab.org)
[09:09] <trincyolo> ikonia: ahhh okay got ya
[09:09] <zomaar> MarkB2: So they are popups? Or in the system logs.
[09:10] <MarkB2> I'm running it from a terminal window.  It pops up there.
[09:10] <MarkB2> Rather, it PRINTS in the terminal window.
[09:11] <trincyolo> ikonia: and what do I look for in the logs?
[09:12] <MarkB2> zomaar: Which ubuntu are you running?
[09:12] <MarkB2> Think I might have a handle on this...
[09:12] <zomaar> MarkB2: Oh okay. I find this: "libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate" probably means either that you're using an old version of mesa (wrong library path?) or don't have DRI2 support in your X server. Both the nVidia and AMD/ATI proprietary drivers apparently lie about having DRI2 support.
[09:14] <zomaar> MarkB2: Does the application fail to start?
[09:15] <MarkB2> No, it runs.. but degraded.  Are you running 17.10 ?
[09:16] <trincyolo> ikonia: can't see the screen or know what I'm looking for
[09:18] <zomaar> I don't think my ubuntu version is relevant?
[09:18] <zomaar> trincyolo: Run xrandr first and see if it's listed
  I ran into a post saying that the problem is that the EGL drivers are not symlinked to a spot in /usr/lib and I was going to ask (politely) if you could take a peek and see if there is a symlink file named "libEGL.so" in /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7 .
[09:20] <trincyolo> zomaar: it's not
[09:20] <trincyolo> zomaar: I just ran your kernel update
[09:20] <trincyolo> zomaar: and I got a few of these: `dkms: WARNING: Linux headers are missing, which may explain the above failures`
[09:21] <zomaar> trincyolo: Oh I assumed those packages would have dependencies listed, my apologies
[09:22] <oerheks> trincyolo, you should have listen to ikonia, don't install a random kernel linux-image-virtual-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:22] <trincyolo> zomaar: and this: please install the linux-headers-4.13.0-21-generic package to fix this.
[09:22] <zomaar> trincyolo: no linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:22] <zomaar> trincyolo: But it means you have extra drivers installed. Do you have the nvidia drivers installed?
[09:23] <oerheks> *if* you want an updated kernel, see the HWE factoid
[09:23] <oerheks> !hwe
[09:23] <trincyolo> zomaar: no I uninstalled them because they weren't working.
[09:24] <zomaar> trincyolo: In any case linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04-edge contains the headers needed for the above error.
[09:24] <trincyolo> oerheks: zomaar: can I just uninstall it?
[09:25] <oerheks> zomaar, stop that awfull advise
[09:25] <trincyolo> zomaar: what is headers?
[09:26] <trincyolo> oerheks: what do I do now ??? this is confusing
[09:26] <zomaar> trincyolo: Some drivers require compilation each time you upgrade your kernel. There is a system called DKMS that will recompile these drivers each time this is done. To be able to do this it requires the Linux kernel header as well.
[09:27] <oerheks> trincyolo, follow the hwe factoid from ubottu
[09:27] <zomaar> This factoid is outdated and contains the same information.
[09:27] <zomaar> And is even more confusing to this user.
[09:27] <zomaar> That you call awful advice.
[09:27] <oerheks> ...
[09:28] <trincyolo> zomaar: will this require me to restart my system after?
[09:28] <trincyolo> zomaar: and how do I select my old kernel if this one is not good?
[09:29] <zomaar> trincyolo: Do you get a Grub boot menu when you start?
[09:29] <trincyolo> zomaar: I haven't attempted a restart
[09:29] <zomaar> trincyolo: No I mean in general
[09:29] <trincyolo> zomaar: don't think so
[09:30] <zomaar> trincyolo: You never see a Grub prompt with "Ubuntu...." "Ubuntu advanced" ... ?
[09:31] <trincyolo> zomaar: I've seen it before when I install next to windows
[09:31] <zomaar> trincyolo: Ah but not now
[09:32] <zomaar> trincyolo: I think you can hold down shift while booting to show it, but I am not sure.
[09:32] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay good to know
[09:32] <zomaar> trincyolo: In any case this menu contains an "Advanced" section that lists all of the various kernels you have installed.
[09:32] <zomaar> trincyolo: You can boot your previous kernel from there, and if the kernel does not work, you can just uninstall it again.
[09:33] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay, so I need to reboot to try the new kernel?
[09:33] <zomaar> zomaar: Yes once you have the DKMS thing sorted.
[09:33] <trincyolo> zomaar: yep, headers installed
[09:34] <zomaar> trincyolo: Did it automatically compile?
[09:34] <trincyolo> zomaar: don't know what that is
[09:34] <zomaar> trincyolo: Try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:35] <trincyolo> zomaar: returns nothing
[09:35] <oerheks> yay, next random command, go for it :-D
[09:36] <zomaar> trincyolo: You might need to issue the kernel installation command again.
[09:36] <zomaar> trincyolo: Without output of the header installation command I do not know what is currently the state.
[09:37] <devil9052> по русски тут можно разговаривать или только по английски? всем привет=)
[09:37] <oerheks> pls guys, do this in private message, so that others do not follow wrong suggestions and wreck their install.. virtual hwe kernel is so wrong on a plain install, just saying
[09:37] <oerheks> !ru | devil9052
[09:38] <zomaar> He did not install that, that was a mistake that I corrected, that was just a wrong copy paste please.
[09:38] <devil9052> спасибо!
[09:39] <trincyolo> zomaar: linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge is already the newest version (4.13.0.21.27).
[09:39] <zomaar> trincyolo: Then I think you are good to go but did you see any DKMS output when you installed the headers?
[09:40] <trincyolo> zomaar: no, I didn't seed the letters DKMS
[09:41] <zomaar> trincyolo: If you want to be totally sure you have to remove the kernel again and install it again.
[09:42] <zomaar> trincyolo: But not the headers, leave those.
[09:42] <trincyolo> zomaar: found it: linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge is already the newest version (4.13.0.21.27).
[09:42] <trincyolo> zomaar: do I still need to reinstall it?
[09:42] <zomaar> trincyolo: Yes but I do not know if it just did that thing or not.
[09:43] <zomaar> trincyolo: I would suggest you do.
[09:43] <trincyolo> zomaar: how do I uninstall them?
[09:43] <zomaar> trincyolo: It should complete the compilation thing then.
[09:43] <zomaar> trincyolo: sudo apt remove linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:44] <trincyolo> zomaar: I don't understand "complete the compilation" what you are referring to
[09:44] <zomaar> trincyolo: It makes the drivers
[09:44] <zomaar> After you remove, issue this command instead:
[09:45] <zomaar> sudo apt install linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04-edge linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:45] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay done
[09:46] <trincyolo> zomaar: oh I didn't install the headers again
[09:46] <zomaar> trincyolo: Install them both at the same time please.
[09:46] <trincyolo> zomaar: do I have to uninstall again first?
[09:46] <zomaar> Yes
[09:47] <trincyolo> zomaar: uninstall the headers also?
[09:47] <zomaar> No
[09:47] <shejian> I'm new.Could anyone can give me some  suggestion about how to learn linux
[09:48] <trincyolo> zomaar: done :)
[09:48] <zomaar> zomaar: Did you see DKMS output?
[09:51] <zomaar> I guess my advice was a little off, linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge would have installed both packages at the same time, sorry.
[09:52] <trincyolo> zomaar: I just rebooted and it's working :) thanks so much. But I didn't see the grub menu even when holding shift
[09:52] <zomaar> Oh right, thanks :).
[09:53] <zomaar> trincyolo: For good measure, I gave slightly the wrong advice.
[09:53] <zomaar> The package linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge would have installed both packages at the same time :p
[09:53] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay what should I do now?
[09:53] <zomaar> trincyolo: Then you wouldn't have had this trouble :p.
[09:54] <zomaar> trincyolo: Sorry.
[09:54] <trincyolo> zomaar: check anything?
[09:54] <zomaar> trincyolo: sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge to complete it.
[09:54] <zomaar> trincyolo: No it's fine, just install that "holder" package.
[09:54] <trincyolo> zomaar: even though it's working?
[09:55] <zomaar> trincyolo: It will just complete the setup. It will not do anything, but provide a combined "this is installed"
[09:58] <zomaar> trincyolo: Honestly if you don't mind, also run "sudo apt-mark auto linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04-edge linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge"
[09:58] <trincyolo> zomaar: why's that?
[09:58] <zomaar> trincyolo: To correct my mistake
[09:59] <trincyolo> zomaar: how will it do that?
[09:59] <zomaar> trincyolo: Because we manually installed both packages, they won't be removed if you remove the new "holder" package
[10:00] <zomaar> trincyolo: If you set them to auto, then when you remove the holder package, then both will be removed automatically
[10:00] <trincyolo> zomaar: but can you tell me what you are thinking? why do I want to remove a holder package?
[10:00] <ikonia> have you discovered that the problem is with the kernel ?
[10:00] <ikonia> I had to step away
[10:00] <zomaar> trincyolo: No no, it is just in case you did want to remove the kernel at some point.
[10:00] <ikonia> and it seems we are back to installing new kernels and new headers
[10:00] <ikonia> have we a confirmed problem with the kernel
[10:01] <zomaar> trincyolo: If ever then you want to remove the kernel you only have to run "sudo apt remove linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge"
[10:01] <trincyolo> ikonia: it's all working now thanks for your input though
[10:01] <ikonia> trincyolo: you have it working, what was the issue
[10:01] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay got it
[10:02] <zomaar> ikonia: The kernel was the issue of course
[10:02] <trincyolo> ikonia: installed the headers and kernel
[10:02] <ikonia> zomaar: in what way was it the issue
[10:02] <ikonia> trincyolo: why did you install headers
[10:02] <ikonia> headers are not run time needed
[10:02] <ikonia> what was the actual problem
[10:03] <oerheks> 16.04.1 already has the HWE stack..
[10:03] <zomaar> ikonia: A new nouveau driver.
[10:03] <trincyolo> zomaar: another stupid question: how will I remember that package name if I ever want to remove it?
[10:03] <zomaar> trincyolo: write it down
[10:04] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay will do. just thought there may be a list of kernels on my machine
[10:04] <XXCoder> not best answer, expecially if there is lot of it.
[10:04] <ikonia> does the nouveau driver support acceleration on his card / does he need acceleration ?
[10:04] <XXCoder> dunno on any better answer
[10:04] <ikonia> and why are headers needed ?
[10:05] <trincyolo> ikonia: the kernel asked for them when I installed it
[10:05] <zomaar> trincyolo: or remember "apt list linux*edge"
[10:05] <ikonia> trincyolo: the kernel had the headers as a dependency
[10:06] <zomaar> That was a bad suggestion
[10:07] <zomaar> This one is better: apt list linux-generic*edge
[10:07] <zomaar> ikonia: I accidentally had him install the kernel individually from the meta package
[10:07] <zomaar> ikonia: The meta package contains the headers, but the kernel doesn't.
[10:08] <zomaar> And in fact I think there is a remnant of the nvidia drivers which get compiled.
[10:09] <trincyolo> zomaar: so there is no way of seeing the current kernels available to my machine?
[10:10] <zomaar> trincyolo: "ls /boot" will definitely show you the kernels
[10:10] <zomaar> The kernel itself is the "vmlinux" you see
[10:10] <zomaar> vmlinuz*
[10:12] <zomaar> trincyolo: The kernels themselves can be shown with "dpkg -l linux-image*"
[10:12] <trincyolo> zomaar: strange that there are 3
[10:13] <zomaar> trincyolo: which ones?
[10:14] <trincyolo> zomaar: linux-image-generic
[10:14] <trincyolo> linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[10:14] <trincyolo> linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[10:14] <trincyolo> yes
[10:14] <zomaar> The edge is the 4.13 kernel you just installed
[10:14] <zomaar> The hwe without the edge is the 4.10 kernel you had originally
[10:15] <zomaar> the linux-image-generic actually points to the original kernel I believe.
[10:15] <zomaar> So in that sense there are actually just 2
[10:16] <zomaar> You now have the same kernel as Artful Aardvark has.
[10:16] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay. So anything that I may have to look out for?
[10:16] <zomaar> So you basically now have Artful Aardvark on Xenial, but only the kernel.
[10:17] <zomaar> trincyolo: No not really unless you add new hardware which might not be supported
[10:17] <zomaar> trincyolo: So if everything works now, everything will keep working.
[10:18] <zomaar> trincyolo: But maybe try video to see if it plays well etc.
[10:19] <trincyolo> okay thanks for ignoring the conservatives this time!
[10:20] <trincyolo> zomaar: all good
[10:20] <zomaar> trincyolo: The point was that no matter what hte problem was in Xorg, you could only fix it with a newer kernel.
[10:20] <zomaar> trincyolo: You just had a graphics card that was unsupported by the older kernel.
[10:21] <zomaar> trincyolo: This is why it worked in 17.10 but not in 16.04
[10:21] <zomaar> trincyolo: There are great advances each time with the Nouveau driver, which is what you are using and that is part of the kernel
[10:22] <zomaar> trincyolo: This is why the kernel contains the drivers in this case.
[10:22] <trincyolo> zomaar: okay got it. Sometimes when downloading deb packages it asks what version of ubuntu I use. What do I do then?
[10:22] <zomaar> trincyolo: Then you have to stick to the one you have, ideally.
[10:23] <roses> kernel 4.13.0-21,is it pre or post meltdown?
[10:23] <zomaar> trincyolo: So 16.04
[10:23] <trincyolo> zomaar: got it
[10:23] <zomaar> pre
[10:24] <zomaar> I think
[10:24] <zomaar> Sorry don't really know
[10:27] <zomaar> Release for ubuntu is in 3 days
[10:27] <oerheks> !ktpi
[10:27] <oerheks> !kpti
[10:28] <zomaar> trincyolo: Newer programs will require newer drivers which may not be installable on your system
[10:28] <zomaar> trincyolo: I mean newer libraries
[10:29] <zomaar> trincyolo: Most software is still released for Ubuntu 16.04 I think, when it is available as a separate download
[10:29] <oerheks> if he runs 16.04.1, it  already has the HWE stack.. and nouveau driver
[10:29] <zomaar> this is a new one, oerheks
[10:30] <zomaar> 16.04.1 up to 16.04.3 contain the HWE of Yakkety Yak
[10:30] <zomaar> Or of Zesty
[10:30] <zomaar> But this one is of Aardvark
[10:31] <oerheks> please ignore me, i don't care anymore
[10:31] <zomaar> You're fine, don't worry
[10:33] <zomaar> mevrouw oerheksje :p
[10:36] <zomaar> And I really don't know anything but this is how I solved my Nouveau problems when I wasted an entire evening here following other advice
[10:37] <zomaar> That were more "convervative" as trincyolo puts it...
[10:37] <zomaar> Anyway have to go
[10:37] <zomaar> Thanks
[10:59] <diamvw> Hello. I would like to manually set the partitions for a new xubuntu 16.04 but unfortunately there are no options (i couldn't find them) for Logical volumes. I have found them only on server edition. Am i missing something?
[11:02] <oerheks> diamvw, if you see this screen, choose 'something else'  https://cdn.itzgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Install-Ubuntu-16.04-Installation-Type.png   >> from https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/ubuntu-how-tos/install-ubuntu-16-04-with-screenshots.html
[11:06] <diamvw> oerheks: As i can see it only has partition and no logical volumes. In debian and ubuntu server edition there is an option Configure Logical Volume (3rd or 4th option?)
[11:08] <oerheks> oh LVM, The alternate installer has the ability to set up and install to LVM, or use your desktop iso and  boot into live mode and set it up from there? then hit the install button ?
[11:09] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[11:12] <diamvw> oerheks: It is somehow weird but nevermind. I will try with the server edition
[11:48] <qwip> For a laptop with 4GB ram and Intel i5 3rd gen processor, will arch linux be good or ubuntu? (preference: fast)
[11:49] <diamvw> qwip: xubuntu. Don't lose your time with arch...
[11:49] <thedoctor46> 4gb and i5 is a weird combination
[11:50] <qwip> lol, thedoctor46. cheap laptops ;)
[11:50] <thedoctor46> cheap ram as well, qwip
[12:00] <joche> Hi
[12:01] <joche> I have tested various os but always back to Ubuntu
[12:02] <joche> Maybe because my laptop is old and low specs
[12:02] <Ubuntivity> Hello. I'm trying to rm certain list of files that are included in a textfile. Each line represent one file path (pathes contain spaces). I tried "cat file.txt | xargs rm" but I get error caused by fragmentation of file path! can you please help me?
[12:03] <ottoshmidt> Ubuntivity, replace spaces with '\ '
[12:03] <ottoshmidt> backslash-space
[12:04] <Ubuntivity> Thanks ottoshmidt. I'll use sed for that :)
[12:04] <ottoshmidt> sure
[12:04] <ottoshmidt> Ubuntivity, backup the file just in case
[12:06] <Ubuntivity> ottoshmidt: Thanks. It worked!
[12:06] <ottoshmidt> Ubuntivity, cheers.
[12:06] <Ubuntivity> ottoshmidt: it was supposed to be obvious, but my mind seems out-of-sync :P
[12:06] <ottoshmidt> happens to me too
[12:09] <buengenio> hi all - ever since updating to 17.10 I can't use any bluetooth speakers / headsets over A2DP. Either pairing doesn't work or if it pairs I can get sound for about 4 seconds after which the music cuts out, and the Output section in Sound becomes unresponsive...
[12:09] <buengenio> any ideas?
[12:10] <alkisg> Ubuntivity: while read -r file; do rm "$file"; done < file.txt
[12:11] <alkisg> This would also work for other special characters, except space...
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:39] <joche> is it possible to connect ubuntu in text mode just like in others SO like slackware? and setting up the wlan?
[12:40] <EriC^^> joche: sure
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> joche: ubuntu server?
[12:41] <joche> Yes but i use desktop
[12:42] <joche> maybe in grub by pressing <c> key?
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> !text | joche
[12:44] <diamvw1> or ctrl+alt+f2
[12:44] <diamvw1> on login screen
[12:46] <EriC^^> joche: what are you trying to do exactly?
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> joche: https://superuser.com/questions/1106174/boot-ubuntu-16-04-into-command-line-do-not-start-gui
[12:50] <matthias__> hello, all hardware media buttons are working except the mute button and when i want to set it it doesn't get recognized as a keystroke in the keyboard settings
[12:51] <joche> ok thank you
[12:51] <joche> now it works
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: wich ubuntu are you on?
[12:58] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: ubuntu mate 16.04.3 lts kernel 4.^0.0-42
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: and what keyboard brand is it?
[12:58] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: *4.10
[12:59] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: it is the keyboard from medion akoya e1232t
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: did your button work before, or other ubuntu versions?
[13:01] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: it is working on windows 10, this is the first time installing linux
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: do you need to press the Fn + muted button?
[13:02] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: yep, also for volume up/down
[13:05] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: i tried xev and i can't see any output for the mute button
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: can you try alsamixer from terminal and f6 to choose soundcard, then try to put master at 0
[13:09] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: ok, one moment
[13:11] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: only had a hda intel pch sound card, master is at 0 now
[13:12] <EriC^^> matthias__: the buttons work but only with fn?
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: does your led on keyboard toggle on/off?
[13:13] <matthias__> EriC^^: yes, i can use "f6" normally
[13:13] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: there isn't a led
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:15] <EriC^^> matthias__: try 'sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Windows'
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: perhaps also look into org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys with dconf-editor
[13:16] <EriC^^> matthias__: get the newest Windows it gives you then type 'sudo nano /etc/default/grub'
[13:18] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: already checked, key is set
[13:18] <matthias__> EriC^^: newest ist Windwos 2013
[13:18] <matthias__> EriC^^: what should i edit in the grub config?
[13:19] <EriC^^> matthias__: ok, add it in the line that says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it's "quiet splash acpi_osi=\"Windows 2013\""
[13:20] <freeknot> what are my options for mountable password protected files? preferably cross platform.
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> !hotkeys | matthias__ perhaps this?
[13:21] <ikonia> mountable files ?
[13:21] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: i will do the grub thing first and after that keytouch
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: allright, good luck mate
[13:22] <matthias__> EriC^^: update-grub and reboot?
[13:23] <freeknot> ikonia: files that can be mounted as drives. on mac there is .dmg, which is qyite comfortable
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: yes after changing grub always update and reboot
[13:24] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: i asked, maybe there is another step before that
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: i think its ok with that grubline
[13:27] <matthias__> EriC^^: not working with the grub-parameter
[13:29] <matthias__> EriC^^: lotuspsychje one curious thing is that when i press the button no dropdown or right click menus appear for some minutes
[13:29] <matthias__> *mute-button
[13:29] <matthias__> and my strg+alt
[13:29] <matthias__> and my ctrl+alt+t shortcut for terminal isn't working at this time neither
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[13:30] <matthias__> wait i changed my screen with ctrl+alt+f1 and then back and now the speaker in the toolbar shows muted
[13:31] <matthias__> now the mute-button has no effect and the dropdowns show again
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: another idea would be testing a 17.10 liveusb and check mute there
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: just to know if its related to unity or not
[13:35] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: i'm using ubuntu mate
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> oh right my bad
[13:35] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: i will check the live-disk again later
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: also test another user or kernel perhaps
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: but my guess its gonna be about your medion keyboard itself
[13:37] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: trying keytouch now
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: allrighty, that looked promising to me
[13:39] <EriC^^> matthias__: im back was away a little
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> !info keytouch-editor | matthias__
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> not sure why keytouch isnt there in repos
[13:40] <EriC^^> odd
[13:43] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: keytouch recognizes the key-press
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> matthias__: neat :p
[13:44] <bencc> to install a package from a new ubuntu release is enough to call "apt-get install -t" or do I also need apt pinning?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !backports | bencc or snaps?
[13:46] <bencc> lotuspsychje: it's not in backports.
[13:46] <bencc> I want to install this https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/coturn
[13:46] <bencc> on ubuntu 16.04
[13:46] <bencc> do I need apt pinning?
[13:46] <bencc> sorry, on ubuntu 17.10
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> !info coturn artful
[13:47] <bencc> deps between 17.10 and 18.04 are exactly the same
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> bencc: its in repos?
[13:48] <bencc> yes
[13:48] <bencc> my question is simple
[13:48] <bencc> I'm on ubuntu 17.10 and I want to install a recent version of the package from ubuntu 18.04
[13:48] <bencc> is "apt-get install -t" enough or do I need apt pinning?
[13:48] <bencc> I didn't ask about backports or snaps
[13:49] <matthias__> lotuspsychje: but i can't setup the config properly
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> bencc: pinning
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | bencc
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> bencc: or the git version?
[13:55] <bencc> lotuspsychje: you are not reading my question. thanks anyway
[13:55] <bencc> never asked about backports or snaps or git
[13:55] <bencc> if you are a robot I can understand
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> bencc: you asked the bionic version, im trying to widen your options
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> bencc: on ubuntu we usually dont reccomend mixing package versions
[13:56] <bencc> again, that's not what I asked
[13:56] <bencc> it's not respectful to dismiss my question and suggest other things when I know exactly what I'm asking
[13:57] <bencc> there is no danger in installing a simple package that has the exact same dependencies
[13:57] <bencc> snaps didn't take off and probably will never will
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> !latest | bencc
[13:57] <bencc> please stop
[13:57] <bencc> it's not helpful
[13:57] <bencc> again, if you are a robot I can understand
[13:58] <ghostnik11> does ubuntu 16.04 use systemd for suspend and resume or pm utils?
[14:04] <alkisg> bencc: apt doesn't know about other distro versions. You would first have to add bionic to your sources. At that point, if you're not using apt pinning, everything would get updated to bionic. So yes, you need apt pinning, AND to add bionic to your sources,
[14:05] <alkisg> but that may not be enough either, because coturn, when compiled AGAINST bionic, may depend on different library versions, requiring a RECOMPILATION on xenial
[14:05] <bencc> alkisg: makes sense. thanks
[14:05] <alkisg> bencc: and that's why backports/ppas exist, to recompile instead of just copying a few debs. It's easy to do it, a few clicks, once you know how.
[14:05] <bencc> alkisg: looks like deps are the same between 17.10 and 18.04 so I'll use that
[14:06] <bencc> I'll use ubuntu 17.10 and install coturn from 18.04 = same deps
[14:06] <alkisg> bencc: the last time you asked and I checked, the deps weren't the same
[14:06] <alkisg> But I didn't check it in depth; only 2-3 .debs, so once you have those, the rest may be ok
[14:07] <bencc> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/sP8k1d9K
[14:08] <bencc> this should be enough?
[14:08] <bencc> alkisg: deps are the same
[14:08] <bencc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/coturn
[14:08] <bencc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/coturn
[14:08] <alkisg> (04:08:02 μμ) bencc: this should be enough? ==> you have artful there, so no
[14:09] <bencc> you are right. fixing
[14:09] <alkisg> (04:08:10 μμ) bencc: alkisg: deps are the same => yes; I remember differently; maybe at the time you were trying on xenial?
[14:09] <bencc> https://pastebin.com/Wus7LG8f
[14:09] <bencc> maybe I was talking about xenial
[14:10] <bencc> I also remembered that deps where different
[14:10] <alkisg> bencc: so, since the deps are the same, just install the artful version, and download the bionic .deb and dpkg -i it, without changing your sources. Easier that way.
[14:10] <bencc> the preferences file in the pasebin has the correct syntax?
[14:10] <alkisg> So, don't change preferences or sources, just use dpkg -i
[14:10] <alkisg> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/coturn=> download etc
[14:11] <alkisg> *after* installing the artful version first of course
[14:11] <bencc> how do I download the bionic deb?
[14:11] <alkisg> (04:10:52 μμ) alkisg: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/coturn=> download etc
[14:12] <bencc> thanks
[14:12] <bencc> I'll try to do it with pinning.
[14:12] <bencc> cleaner this way
[14:12] <bencc> as long as my pin syntax is correct
[14:13] <bencc> https://pastebin.com/Wus7LG8f
[14:27] <matthias__> EriC^^: i could reproduce the behaviour: i push after a fresh reboot the mute button, then keyboard, mouse klicks stop working. then i switch to another pty and back and then the speaker in the toolbar shows muted and the sound is muted
[14:28] <matthias__> EriC^^: a second time does not work
[14:32] <DarekDeo> hi, looks like there is a problem with p7zip-full package in ubuntu. extracting wav files from 7zip format makes audio unplayable
[14:33] <DarekDeo> extracting same file from .zip instead of .7zip does not break anything
[14:34] <DarekDeo> does anybody encountered that problem? I can send packaged files in 7zip if needed
[14:35] <DarekDeo> worth thing mentioning that unpacking the same 7zip archive which has issues on ubuntu 17.10 on other OS like windows with 7zip installed works fine
[14:38] <ikonia> DarekDeo: just worked fine for me
[14:38] <ikonia> sent 3 wav files, 7zipped them, extracted on laptop played them
[14:38] <EriC^^> matthias__: try a newer kernel, it might help
[14:38] <ikonia> (only a few seconds each)
[14:39] <matthias__> after returning from suspend i see in dmesg errors hub failed to enable device, error -108 and none of my usb-devices are working. lsusb is empty. with hibernation everything works fine
[14:39] <EriC^^> !mainline | matthias__ see here the link
[14:39] <DarekDeo> ikonia: might be the case that im trying to unpack files which were previously packed on windows
[14:39] <DarekDeo> unpacking itself works fine, but then i can't play that audio
[14:39] <DarekDeo> when person sent me the files packed in zip everything worked fine
[14:39] <ikonia> DarekDeo: being packed in windows won't impacted it
[14:40] <DarekDeo> ill send you the files i have issues with ok?
[14:40] <ikonia> DarekDeo: run "file" against one of the extacted wav files
[14:40] <DarekDeo> can you try if it works for you?
[14:40] <ikonia> DarekDeo: I don't want the files,
[14:40] <matthias__> EriC^^: 4.10 is pretty new, i will try
[14:41] <DarekDeo> ikonia: how to test then what is wrong with either the archive or 7zip package installed on my system?
[14:42] <ikonia> DarekDeo: get a wav file, z7ip it, extract it play it
[14:42] <ikonia> if it works it's the files
[14:42] <ikonia> if it doesn't work - you need to investigate more
[14:42] <ikonia> DarekDeo: I'd suggest you should run "file" against one of the extracted wav files
[14:42] <ikonia> see what it says
[14:42] <DarekDeo> ikonia: unpacking of the same archive does work on the different windows installation for different person than the one who packed the files
[14:43] <DarekDeo> ikonia: also i was able to unpack and play these wav files in the past
[14:43] <EriC^^> DarekDeo: maybe you didn't download it fully
[14:43] <DarekDeo> ikevin: same, old archive
[14:43] <ikonia> corrupted
[14:43] <matthias__> EriC^^: i will switch from lts to normal
[14:43] <DarekDeo> ikonia: same, old archive which i had on my hdd for long time
[14:43] <EriC^^> matthias__: why no need
[14:43] <ikonia> DarekDeo: right, they can still be corrupted
[14:43] <ikonia> (possible - not fact)
[14:43] <DarekDeo> ikonia: i dont think so
[14:44] <ikonia> DarekDeo: how do you know ?
[14:44] <EriC^^> matthias__: just download the kernel file .deb and install it and see how it works
[14:44] <matthias__> EriC^^: 4.10 is already the newest kernel for 16.04.03
[14:44] <DarekDeo> ikonia: i figured the issues with the p7zip is when next person sent me new archive with different wav files packed in 7zip
[14:44] <EriC^^> matthias__: see here newer ones https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[14:44] <ikonia> DarekDeo: what you just said makes no sense
[14:44] <ikonia> DarekDeo: you just said this is an old archive, now you're saying it's when a new person sends you new files
[14:45] <DarekDeo> ikonia: so both new 7zip archive from web and my old packed archive have the same issue. i unpack both archives of different files and i have the same issue of not being able to play files from both archives
[14:45] <ikonia> DarekDeo: your story is changing a lot
[14:45] <ikonia> DarekDeo: and I don't have this problem on a 17.04 box, or a 17.10 box
[14:46] <DarekDeo> ikonia: story is not changing a lot but you asked for explaination why I think archive itself is fine.
[14:46] <laptop> hello
[14:46] <ikonia> DarekDeo: your friend sent you files, it didn't work, I tested it, it suddenly became a problem because he's sent them from windows
[14:47] <laptop> I am having trouble installing printer softwware on ubuntu
[14:47] <ikonia> then it became an old archive you've had for ages
[14:47] <ikonia> then it's gone back to new files
[14:47] <laptop> https://answers.launchpad.net/~michael-gruz/+archive/ubuntu/canon-trunk/+packages
[14:47] <ikonia> DarekDeo: what would you like this channel to do, to help you ?
[14:48] <DarekDeo> ikonia: if its a problem with p7zip package then its better to investigate it
[14:48] <ikonia> DarekDeo: it's worked for me - so what would you like to do to investigate this problem ?
[14:49] <DarekDeo> ikonia: i could not inform about it at all, i received the same files packed in zip and it works when unpacked from .zip. what i am doing now is just informing that there might be an issue with p7zip and asking if anybody has the same problem.
[14:49] <laptop> may I ask someone kindly how to install printer drivers
[14:49] <ikonia> DarekDeo: ok, and I'm saying I've just tested it and not had that problem,
[14:49] <laptop> I tried adding the ppa but synaptic will not access it without a release file
[14:49] <ikonia> laptop: what ppa ?
[14:50] <ikonia> laptop: how did you add it, details etc etc
[14:50] <laptop> okay I added it as follows:sudo add-apt-repository ppa:michael-gruz/canon-trunk
[14:50] <laptop> and sudo apt-get update
[14:51] <laptop> from this webpage http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/07/canon-drivers-for-ubuntu-and-linux-mint/
[14:51] <ikonia> laptop: ok and what's the issue ?
[14:51] <DarekDeo> ikonia: on your configuration it does work, its programmers talk to say "works on my side" ;) how can you be so sure that other users wont have same problems as i do? anyway have a fine day
[14:51] <laptop> well it gives me this error when I go to synpatic package manager
[14:52] <laptop> release file not found
[14:52] <ikonia> DarekDeo: it's nothing to do with "programmers" talk
[14:52] <ikonia> DarekDeo: I'm verifying that the situation you've had a problem with, I am unable to reproduce as it works
[14:52] <laptop> Deo: I'm verifying that the situation you've had a problem with, I am unable to reproduce
[14:52] <ikonia> laptop: what version of ubuntu ar eyou using ?
[14:52] <laptop> 17.10
[14:53] <ikonia> https://launchpad.net/~michael-gruz/+archive/ubuntu/canon-trunk
[14:53] <ikonia> that repo does not have 17.10 packages
[14:53] <laptop> yes
[14:53] <DarekDeo> when i pack archive to 7zip myself and unpack it then it does work fine
[14:53] <laptop> so what do i need to do reinstall a different version of ubuntu on my system
[14:53] <ikonia> it's not been updated for 185 days
[14:53] <ikonia> that PPA looks old and maybe even unmaintained
[14:53] <laptop> anyway to still run it or from a terminal
[14:54] <laptop> I know but theyy have my printer
[14:54] <ikonia> but you can't use it
[14:54] <ikonia> as the packages are not for your version
[14:54] <ikonia> and it looks unmaintained
[14:54] <laptop> anyway to force install it from terminal
[14:54] <ikonia> no
[14:54] <ikonia> it's the WRONG versions
[14:54] <laptop> what about virtual box
[14:54] <ikonia> you don't force install the wrong versions
[14:54] <ikonia> what about virtual box ?
[14:55] <laptop> can I run the proper version from virtual box and print it out
[14:55] <ikonia> laptop: you want to run a VM to install ubuntu 14.04 to use the printer from that VM ?
[14:55] <laptop> yes
[14:55] <ikonia> sure
[14:55] <laptop> it will print from virtual box you think?
[14:55] <ikonia> no idea, I don't know about your printer, but the PPA has packages for 14.04
[14:56] <ikonia> I don't know the quality of the PPA
[14:56] <laptop> okay I am going to do this thank you kindly.
[14:56] <laptop> one last thing
[14:56] <laptop> how do I get a list of all the items in the repository
[14:56] <laptop> in other words a list of all the files
[14:56] <laptop> is there anyway to request a list of files in a repository from terminal
[14:56] <ikonia> open the package manager and scroll through the list
[14:56] <ikonia> there are 1000's of packages
[14:56] <ikonia> hence why there is a search function
[14:57] <laptop> yes but I cannot search the repository in ubuntu 17.10
[14:57] <ikonia> why not ?
[14:57] <laptop> and the website does not list the exact name of the file
[14:57] <TJ-> laptop: "apt-cache search <search-fragment" will list all, or a subset based on the search term
[14:57] <ikonia> why can't you search the repo ?
[14:57] <laptop> sudo apt-cache (search)
[14:57] <laptop> let me try it
[14:57] <bencc> is it possible to know if "apt-get update" was ever called on a machine?
[14:57] <TJ-> laptop: you don't need 'sudo' for apt-cache
[14:58] <piwe55> any webserver for arm?
[14:58] <ikonia> piwe55: same as for x86
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> bencc: history
[14:58] <matthias__> EriC^^: with 4.14.0 i have the same problem. and the curious one-time switch-thing is still present
[14:58] <piwe55> so, I can run xampp 32bit.?
[14:59] <ikonia> piwe55: xammp is not a webserver
[14:59] <piwe55> hehe sorry
[14:59] <piwe55> it just one bundle software
[14:59] <ikonia> piwe55: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[15:00] <DarekDeo> ikonia: investigated it further. when unpacking 7zip archive with p7zip -u nameofthefile it does work as should. also when opening file without unpacking it the audio is not corrupted. but when i right click on archive (thats what i was doing previously) and unpack it with "extract here" the files are getting corrupted. I am using ubuntu 17.10 with gnome and nautilus 3.26
[15:00] <piwe55> xenial
[15:00] <ikonia> piwe55: so just open the package manager, search for web servers and you can see what's available
[15:00] <TJ-> bencc: Yes it is; if there are files in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[15:00] <ikonia> DarekDeo: check the checksums using both methods
[15:01] <piwe55> oke thank you sir
[15:02] <bencc> thanks. trying
[15:03] <matthias__> EriC^^: with 4.14.0 i have the same problem. and the curious one-time switch-thing is still present
[15:04] <piwe55> Can someone here have fingerprint web based application.?
[15:05] <DarekDeo> ikonia: different checksums, used md5sum command
[15:05] <DarekDeo> ikonia: might be nautilius issue, should i fill a bug for gnome?
[15:06] <mark____> Hi guys quick question recently I realised on chrome when dragging things (using left click) when i release it its still trying to be dragged. This started about a week ago when I got my new mouse. but then i went back to my old mouse (which never had the issue) and but it's also doing the same thing now?
[15:06] <mark____> By it's still trying to be dragged
[15:06] <mark____> i mean that the left click release isn't being detected
[15:06] <rorro_> I just installed nautilus-columns from here https://askubuntu.com/questions/44470/quickest-method-to-display-image-dimensions-for-files-in-nautilus-in-list-view and it made my desktop icons huge and my nautilus all messed up
[15:06] <rorro_> Is there a way to revert back this change?
[15:06] <matthias__> EriC^^: the switching bug is also working on a live-cd
[15:07] <rorro_> running ubunbtu 16.4
[15:07] <TJ-> mark____: was the 'new' mouse still connected when you were testing the 'old' mouse?
[15:07] <rorro_> 16.04*
[15:07] <mark____> No
[15:07] <TJ-> mark____: how is the mouse/mice connected? PS2, USB, Bluetooth, other wireless?
[15:07] <mark____> USB
[15:08] <mark____> wired usb
[15:08] <ikonia> DarekDeo: I think raising a bug at this stage would be wasteful
[15:08] <ikonia> DarekDeo: I'd get verification of it from others too
[15:09] <ikonia> DarekDeo: then if required file a bug with clear usecases
[15:09] <mark____> TJ-: any ideas?
[15:09] <TJ-> mark____: We've seen issues with some desktop environments/window managers, where an application doesn't release the mouse input focus at times. I don't think we've ever satisfactorily figured out quite why but it seems to be a framework issue.
[15:09] <mark____> TJ-: do u think it could be compiz
[15:09] <mark____> ?
[15:10] <mark____> although i made no alterations (afaik)
[15:10] <DarekDeo> ikonia: i think if they will find out that there is no issue that it is much simpler to mark issue as resolved than not knowing that something like this might exists. i will fill a bug when i will have time, but not today. back to my work for now. see you
[15:11] <ikonia> DarekDeo: I think it's wasting time
[15:11] <CrackerJack> el :)~  {}
[15:11] <ikonia> DarekDeo: I think if you can't be bothered to get verification of the bug and use cases, it's a problem
[15:11] <TJ-> mark____: I think we've seen it with and without compiz, so it's hard to know if there's a single underlying cause or several separate causes
[15:11] <mark____> TJ-: do you think it could be from a chrome update
[15:12] <mark____> but tbh i dont ever drag and things apart from in chrome
[15:12] <TJ-> mark____: If it only affects one application then yes
[15:12] <DarekDeo> ikonia: its verified on my hardware and software and file i use. i am not using any custom build of nautilius so it must be something with gnome code
[15:12] <mark____> I mean i have only experienced it in chrome
[15:12] <mark____> but thats only because most of the time on chrome im using mouse
[15:12] <mark____> *my
[15:12] <mark____> but on other applications i always use keyboard only lol
[15:13] <ikonia> DarekDeo: right, so getting someone else to verify it to help build a usecase seems a basic requirement before logging yet another bug to have time wasted against validating
[15:13] <anddam> hello
[15:13] <TJ-> mark____: Is it since the Chrome update that has mitigation for the meltdown/spectre timing attacks where they've degraded the Javascript timer resolution? I'm wondering if it could be due to that
[15:13] <mark____> I dont think so
[15:13] <mark____> i received the new mouse
[15:13] <mark____> last
[15:13] <mark____> friday/saturday
[15:14] <mark____> and thats when i start experiencing it
[15:14] <mark____> i think that was before they realised the attacks, ?
[15:14] <mark____> (btw is there a way to turn off blah has joined/left chat)
[15:14] <mark____> (so i only see msgs that are sent)
[15:15] <mark____> TJ-: ?
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> mark____: easy on the enter button please
[15:16] <mark____> sorry its habit lol :)
[15:16] <TJ-> mark____: I can't think how connecting a new mouse would cause this to occur with the old mouse as well, unless there's a fault in the physical USB controller hub
[15:16] <mark____> TJ-: i doubt it since the old mouse was connected to the back of the tower and the new mouse was connected to the front
[15:18] <DarekDeo> ikonia: isn't that regular workflow in all kind of projects? Report a bug if there is something wrong happening with as much information as possible instead of acting like nothing happend? I've first asked here if anybody had similar issue, might be that im the only one with this problem or this case might be only with the file i am working on but still something wrong is happening and it should be noted.
[15:19] <ikonia> DarekDeo: look on projects there are 1000's of bugs because the first sign of a problem, people report a bug
[15:19] <ikonia> DarekDeo: do some real work to help verify it's a bug BEFORE reporting it
[15:19] <obiwlan> Hi! Looks like I'm lucky with my X220. I have installed ubuntu 17.10 before the problems became known and my Thinkpad is still working. My kernel is from Dec 18, 2017. I wonder how to proceed now without destroying the laptop? Is it safe to just dist-upgrade after the re-release happened?
[15:19] <ikonia> win 1
[15:19] <DarekDeo> ikonia: and it is fine thing, people new contributors can check this. it's better to have this information than not have information of an issue at all.
[15:20] <ikonia> oops
[15:20] <ikonia> DarekDeo: no it's not
[15:20] <ikonia> DarekDeo: it's better to have a VERIFIED bug
[15:20] <ikonia> rather htan a "this maybe a bug I can't be bothered verifying"
[15:21] <DarekDeo> ikonia: its better to have VERIFIED bug but it is also better to have report of an unverified issue if there is a possibility that software is not working correctly than not have report at all and live without that knowledge.
[15:21] <ikonia> DarekDeo: no it's not
[15:21] <obiwlan> False positives are clogging the tubes.
[15:21] <mark____> TJ-: what is this issue called so i can google a bit ? "Ubuntu chrome left mouse release not detected" ALSO i have a video maybe that will help pinpoint the issue if i share it with you?
[15:22] <ikonia> DarekDeo: you've not even verified if it's ubuntus' nautilus build or upstream
[15:22] <ikonia> or even verified it's a bug
[15:22] <ikonia> it's a total waste of peoples time,
[15:26] <rorro> How can I downgrade nautilus from 3.18.5 to 3.14.3 in Ubuntu 16.04? I installed nautilus-columns and it updated my nautilus to 3.18.5 and I don't like the change.
[15:27] <mark____> TJ-: you there?
[15:27] <DarekDeo> ikonia: we are wasting time now. you suggest to check checksums, when we verified that checksums of the same files are different you suggested its still not a time to report it anywhere. what do you think should have been done with it further other than report an issue? also your first talk was that there is no issue at all (on your side).
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> rorro: we dont recommend mixing package versions on ubuntu
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> rorro: try to revert packages to the original for xenial
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> !info nautilus xenial | rorro
[15:32] <obiwlan> Which kernel introduced the SPI BIOS interface? I want to identify the reason i'm not affected by the problem.
[15:33] <obiwlan> i'm on 4.13.0-21-generic here.
[15:34] <obiwlan> How can i check if it is enabled? Is there a kernel module?
[15:35] <Sean_McG> I built 4.14.12 for my Ryzen box last night and set rcu_nocbs=0-11 on my R5-1600. I'm not even sure I had to as I haven't experienced any of the instability that other users have -- maybe because I'm still on 16.04 Xenial?
[15:38] <obiwlan> Does nobody have an idea which kernel version introduced the bug which caused the 17.10 release to be taken down? Was it before Dec. 18th?
[15:42] <TJ-> obiwlan: The v4.13 kernel before 4.13.0-21.24
[15:44] <obiwlan> TJ-: pheew! ... Thank you, very much. I guess if i dist-upgrade to a later kernel version it should be find. I suspect the problem only occurs when you boot the kernel, can you confirm that?
[15:48] <TJ-> obiwlan: correct, it only occurs if the Intel PCH SPI driver gets loaded. Prior to 17.10 Ubuntu didn't build/ship that module, but it was built/shipped initially for 17.10 until this bug was found in the Lenovo (and others) firmware
[15:49] <sapuser> hi
[15:50] <rorro> Where even is the menu bar in nautilus 3.18.5? I can't find where to open the preferences.
[15:50] <rorro> Right-clicking on the top bar only gives a "Close" option
[15:52] <eraserpencil> if i host my own server, can i replace a listen 80 server block to a 443 one?
[15:53] <obiwlan> TJ-: great. Although I'm still not sure if understand it correctly. You said it shipped with 17.10 from the beginning (meaning the first stable release, i guess). I fear for my laptop because i'm already on 17.10, but i upgraded before the lease. Is it the module shpchp? I grepped the loaded modules for spi and pch and this is the only match.
[15:54] <obiwlan> s/lease/release/
[15:55] <TJ-> obiwlan: no, not that module, that's the PCI hot-plug controller module :)
[15:55] <obiwlan> eraserpencil: What do you mean by replace? It depends on the service you're using. Broadly speaking, yes.
[15:56] <obiwlan> TJ-: do you know its name?
[15:57] <obiwlan> TJ-: or was it shipped before, but in a good version?
[15:58] <TJ-> obiwlan: the config is CONFIG_SPI_INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM, do "grep CONFIG_SPI_INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM /boot/config*" - if it's shipped you'll see "CONFIG_SPI_INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM=m" (m mean built as a module)
[15:59] <TJ-> obiwlan: if it os NOT shipped you'll see "# CONFIG_SPI_INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM is not set"
[16:01] <matthias__> Hello, i want to setup a mute-key for audio volume. In acpi_listen volUP and volDN are recognized but not the mute button which lays on f6
[16:03] <obiwlan> TJ-: oh my spaghetti monster, i am lucky... I have a kernel with the spi module installed, but apparently I didn't boot it. 4.13.0-19-generic had it enabled, but i'm currently running 4.13.0-21-generic, which doesn't.
[16:03] <TJ-> matthias__: that suggests you may need an additional 'platform' hotkey driver quirk enabling, which is make/model dependent
[16:03] <obiwlan> TJ-: thanks so much
[16:03] <TJ-> obiwlan: you're welcome
[16:04] <qwip> Any good(reliable) tutorial/article about installing dual booting ubuntu with windows 10?
[16:04] <matthias__> TJ-: and how do i get that?  all other keys are working
[16:05] <TJ-> matthias__: It could be an issue with the PC's ACPI firmware where certain keys haven't been fully enabled. What is the make/model ?
[16:06] <matthias__> TJ-: when i run showkey in a terminal i can see that keycode 113 will show pressed but never released
[16:06] <matthias__> TJ-: medion akoya e1232t
[16:07] <matthias__> TJ-: may it be the problem that no release event is generated?
[16:10] <TJ-> matthias__: These kind of issues are frequently caused by the firmware's ACPI DSDT not fully enabling all functionality when the OS is Linux. There's a simple-to-apply workaround that is worth trying to see if it fixes it, before you dig any deeper. See  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[16:13] <obiwlan> matthias__: apparently you can do something like "echo 369-370,160,174,176 > /sys/bus/serio/devices/serio0/force_release" with keycodes, might be worth looking into that
[16:18] <matthias__> obiwlan: i ran a while true loop in background for every second to force a release and sendkey wasn't showing it
[16:19] <matthias__> TJ-: applied the grub line for the highest windows version
[16:22] <matthias__> TJ-: newest windows not working, trying with the other ones
[16:23] <pos> http://kroah.com/log/blog/2018/01/06/meltdown-status/
[16:23] <pos> "If your distro does not have kernel updates, then I strongly suggest changing distros right now."
[16:24] <pos> ubuntu team: we'll release them on the 9th, because that was the plan before it all got leaked
[16:27] <pos> ubuntu team: we'll release them on the 9th, because that has been the plan all of december and before the plan before it all got leaked
[16:28] <ChunkzZ> pos, why paste in 2 channels?
[16:28] <pos> because god damn
[16:29] <delikt> hi guys - i try the first time to boot my ubuntu-server 16.04 with an USB drive as /boot... are there any common mistakes that i do cause after the installation prozess is done - my system dont get in the boot process at all
[16:29] <pos> iirc there was an equally absurd delay with heartbleed?
[16:29] <TJ-> matthias__: if that doesn't help the next step is to identify which driver is handling the platform keys
[16:31] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | delikt did you ?
[16:32] <Demon_Jester> hey guys, I am wondering why when I save a webpage using wget, why is it different when I save it through chrome?
[16:32] <delikt> ahh i take look in my boot options now... my usb stick isnt listet :O
[16:33] <pos> i know there are bios/microcode updates related to spectre and that the llvm updates handled some of meltdown, but why is it that the distro with the largest userbase is about as nimble as the exxon valdez when it comes to this stuff?
[16:33] <delikt> Bashing-om, öhm no :D *shame on me*
[16:33] <delikt> why is this necessery?^^
[16:34] <matthias__> TJ-: trying now the last 3 windows versions
[16:35] <Bashing-om> delikt: If the .iso is corrupted, can not make a good image, correct ?
[16:35] <delikt> thats true but that mentation got from far away^^
[16:35] <TJ-> pos: Because backporting the patches isn't a simple job and there is a lot of testing required to ensure no regressions. There are kpti patches still arriving in mainline that have to be integrated
[16:35] <TJ-> matthias__: if the 'most recent' didn't help I'd bet the others won't either
[16:36] <delikt> no i have the problem that my usb device isnt listet as boot device in bios... are there any ideas what to do
[16:36] <delikt> i choose it as bootable
[16:36] <TJ-> matthias__: can you show us  "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[16:36] <matthias__> TJ-: but i found out that between all reboots the mute-state gets toggled, like i've pressed the key once. but i can only see that after the next restart
[16:37] <matthias__> TJ-: this speaks for the missing key-release event i think
[16:37] <pos> TJ-, i believe there have been what, 5 regression-related updates in the last six weeks? and those updates were for for far less serious issues
[16:37] <pos> also: there will be quite a few kernel updates over the next months as the sploits go public and crafty people play with them
[16:38] <TJ-> delikt: is it a UEFI system? if so, it may be a model that needs you to specifical enable Secure Boot, and use the Trust menu to set the bootloader file on the USB device as trusted (/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi usually)
[16:41] <delikt> TJ-, hmm not sure i didnt change that so normaly it must be a UEFI than - i got in another option in the bios and there i set the listet USB Device as First Drive (HDD as second) now i got USB in the Bootorder list and set it as first - reboot: now i get a error /grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found entering rescue mode
[16:42] <TJ-> delikt: OK, are you at the GRUB rescue> prompt?
[16:42] <delikt> yeah
[16:42] <TJ-> delikt: do "set" and tell me what the "prefix" variable is set to
[16:43] <delikt> prefix(hd0,msdos1)/grub
[16:43] <TJ-> delikt: OK, and now type "ls" and it should give you a list of block devices, do you see (hd0,msdos1) listed?
[16:44] <delikt> yeas as second in the list
[16:44] <TJ-> delikt: now do "ls $prefix/" and tell me if you see 'grub.cfg' listed
[16:46] <delikt> need ti find out where is the / on the us keyboard ... take a sec
[16:47] <delikt> yeah its listed
[16:48] <TJ-> delikt: do you also see the 'i386-pc/' directory listed?
[16:48] <crtcji> Hello. Does anybody know a workable solution, preferable through CLI, to launch a specific application on a specific workspace in Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[16:48] <delikt> nope
[16:48] <TJ-> delikt: Right, that tells us that "grub-install" did not correctly install the grub modules
[16:49] <delikt> deam ^^
[16:49] <TJ-> delikt: we *may* be able to find them elsewhere and still do a one-time boot right now so you can fix it though
[16:49] <delikt> i didnt take master boot record is that the fault? cause it means he want to write it on my fist HDD
[16:50] <TJ-> delikt: no, MBR is fine else you wouldn't be in the rescue shell right now. This is the GRUB 'core image' working, but it can't find it's modules
[16:50] <delikt> ahh k
[16:51] <TJ-> delikt: Try this just to find out if this command is available or not - it won't do anything. if you get something like "command not found" tell me: "search"
[16:51] <delikt> unknown
[16:52] <TJ-> delikt: try this: "search --file normal.mod"
[16:53] <delikt> the command is unknown
[16:53] <TJ-> delikt: drat!
[16:53] <TJ-> delikt: we'll have to do this manually! Do "ls" again and tell me all the 'msdosX' values (partition numbers) you see
[16:57] <dbb> hi all - looking for best practices to update kernel and Ubuntu 1604 and 1404.. for local use inside one local net
[16:57] <delikt> ok wait before we going ahead... im finaly not sure i get this what i want after the installation... i wanted to encrypt my /home but in the manually installation i take normaly ext4 and the bindings... after that i didnt see any information about a encryption (or the filesystem will be encryptet) is that the case i need anyway to reinstall the system... so maybe you know a goog guide howto setup a manually encryptet system before we
[16:57] <delikt> do this all and after that it isnt encryptet?
[16:58] <TJ-> delikt: home directory encryption is done by ecryptfs, a stacking file-system, on a per-user-directory basis, in other words, /home/$USER/ will be encrypted, not the entire ext4 file system
[16:59] <tomreyn> dbb: how do you mean 'local use in local net'? is the idea to distribute package updates from a local system which retrieves them from the internet, to save on download bandwidth or to service systems which cannot connect directly to the internet?
[17:00] <delikt> after i choose make a encrypted filesystem with lvm i choose not the preconfigured way to install - i choose manuelly and set /home / /boot (on the USB Drive) seperatly... you mean it should be encrypted?
[17:00] <dbb> tomreyn: I mean, the new Linux kernel vulnerabilities being discussed at length in hackernews etc
[17:01] <dbb> I am not running untrusted VMs or containers
[17:01] <dbb> I am using machines locally, with mainly math loads.. a lot of FOSS software but I know the origin of it all
[17:02] <TJ-> delikt: if you wanted Full Disk Encryption (FDE) that would use LVM + LUKS/dm-crypt. If you only want encrypted $HOME directory then that is a different option specified later
[17:02] <tomreyn> dbb: everybody uses (one or more) machines locally, what's special about your setup? maybe let's ask differently: are you trying to patch systems which have no direct internet connection?
[17:02] <delikt> if / are also encrypted that will be fine
[17:03] <delikt> but i cant encrypt the /boot what i know
[17:03] <dbb> tomreyn: thx for the reply, and I respectfully point out that NOT everyone does this.. I am running my own machines like a personal user, yes
[17:03] <TJ-> delikt: yes, /boot/ can be encrypted with LUKS although not from the installer
[17:03] <dbb> big ones :-)
[17:04] <delikt> ahh k nice to know so im fine you mean?
[17:04] <tomreyn> dbb: so what stops the local big machines from downloading updates from the internet?
[17:05] <dbb> nothing.. I am interested in what smart people are doing now.. in what order.. I certainly am up to date on LTS security, before this week
[17:05] <TJ-> delikt: To fix the current issue I'd suggest now that you reboot using the LiveISO installer, start the "Try Ubuntu" option, then open a terminal so we can use shell commands to fix this installation
[17:05] <dbb> I have not installed any patches in the last three days or so, specifically
[17:06] <delikt> msdosx = (hd0,msdos1) (hd1,msdos6) (hd1,msdos5) (hd1,msdos1)
[17:06] <TJ-> dbb: the KPTI patched Ubuntu kernels aren't yet available; the kernel team is aiming to have them published by Jan 9th at the latest
[17:06] <dbb> TJ ok thx
[17:06] <trekkie1701c> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/
[17:06] <delikt> ok i reboot
[17:06] <dbb> trekkie1701c: yes that, looking
[17:06] <TJ-> delikt: ahhh, WOWOWA!
[17:07] <delikt> ?
[17:07] <bender> Hello, I have installed ubuntu server with a raid1, but the setup did not properly configure the raid. So I i had to add the second device manually with mdadm --add ...[...] Now the out put of mdstat and mdadm --detail looks a little bit confusing to me. Can someone pls take a look at it? Why does it state multiple personalites? And why is the number 0 and 2 not 0 and 1? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26333252/
[17:07] <TJ-> delikt: I think I see your problem... I think the install is on (hd1) not (hd0)
[17:07] <delikt> yeah 2 different devices
[17:07] <TJ-> delikt: try this "ls (hd1,msdos1)/grub/" -- do you see 'grub.cfg' and/or 'i386-pc/' directory?
[17:09] <dbb> ok - I see the short answer is.. look to the 9th of January for the beginning of patches, and that this is very hard for the Ubuntu OS to do
[17:09] <dbb> meanwhile, no new VMs or containers for me :-)
[17:09] <delikt> hmm file /grub/ not found
[17:10] <delikt> maybe i have syntax error
[17:10] <delikt> try again
[17:10] <dbb> I understand that these vulnerabilities could have exploits outside of VMs or containers (obvious) but.. those are likely to be places where first exploits would hide
[17:10] <dbb> "anti-AWS things" or whatever
[17:10] <mast4> sve
[17:10] <mast4> sry
[17:11] <delikt> nope not found
[17:11] <TJ-> delikt: OK, do you know what's supposed to be on hd1, because it seems to have 3 partitions, msdos1 and msdos5 and msdos6
[17:11] <delikt> yeah there should be a /, /boot, /home
[17:11] <TJ-> delikt: whereas hd0 has only msdos1 so may be the installer ISO device?
[17:11] <delikt> and a swap normaly
[17:12] <TJ-> delikt: OK, lets see if we can find the /boot/ "ls (hd1,msdos5)/grub/"  and if you don't see the file/dir try with msdos6
[17:12] <delikt> i changed in the bias from first to second the usb as first so if this hd0 it should be the /boot partition
[17:12] <delikt> in the bios*
[17:13] <delikt> after that i was enabled the grub prompt - before there was nothing
[17:14] <delikt> there are just 2 physical drives
[17:14] <TJ-> delikt: I think somehow you managed to install GRUB to 2 separate device! (don't ask me how!)
[17:14] <Guest12470> HI
[17:15] <delikt> i dont think so cause i cant access the grub prompt if i choose my hdd as primary device
[17:15] <mast4> hey Guest..
[17:15] <delikt> and i mean not the boot order^^
[17:15] <delikt> need a look again into the bios to explain
[17:15] <mast4> @delikt   can you explain me the problem ??
[17:16] <delikt> i take the /boot partition on an USB Device (ubuntu-server 16.04) but he didnt boot
[17:16] <TJ-> delikt: there are 3 parts to a GRUB install, the boot-strap code (442 bytes in sector 0 of a device), the core image (usually in the 'spare' sectors from 1 to the start of the 1st partition (which is where the rescue> prompt comes from), and then the modules in GRUB's 'root' device in /grub/i386-pc/
[17:17] <delikt> so he hangs on loading moduls
[17:17] <TJ-> delikt: so you've got the MBR boot-strap and core image, but the modules are missing
[17:18] <TJ-> delikt: right, because "normal.mod" is needed to read the grub.cfg and draw the menu, do the boot
[17:18] <delikt> ok so better reinstall
[17:19] <delikt> or can i generate this modules somehow?
[17:20] <TJ-> delikt: I think you will be quicker to do a clean reinstall and *ENSURE* the boot-loader option menu is going to install to the same USB device as the root file-system is on
[17:21] <tomreyn> bender: this looks like a perfectlyx normal raid1 to me. what do you mean by "multiple personalities"?
[17:21] <delikt> hmm is it not possible to boot with an usb device and the root and home partition are on another device?
[17:22] <delikt> and if i dont plugin the usb no one can boot? that was my opinion
[17:22] <TJ-> delikt: it is, but you then need to ensure GRUB knows which device to use. right now obviously you confused it
[17:22] <delikt> ok ty for your help i will play around the options to get my result :)
[17:23] <tomreyn> bender: ah you're referring to the /proc/mdstat output there. this just lists what's supported.
[17:25] <tomreyn> bender: i suspect sdb1 will be (member) 'number 1' after next reboot / automatic assembling
[17:26] <TheWild> hello
[17:27] <TheWild> I encountered a problem. The Ubuntu "start" button. Whatever I type, it finds nothing.
[17:27] <TheWild> not even "settings".
[17:27] <bender> tomreyn: thank you for the answer. Ok i have rebooted and its still number 0 and 2.
[17:27] <bender> i was mostly confused by the mdstat output, thank you :)!
[17:27] <oerheks> TheWild, if we made a 'start' button, microsoft will sue us
[17:28] <TheWild> but sure you know what I'm talking about
[17:28] <EriC^^> TheWild: did you try restarting?
[17:29] <mast4> yeah eric this will solve his problem :P
[17:29] <EriC^^> mast4: it actually does sometimes :P
[17:29] <TheWild> well, restart mostly helps, but I would like to know what causes the problem.
[17:29] <tomreyn> bender: hmm then maybe, if you want /dev/sdb1 to show up as 'Number 1', you'll need to remove, then re-add it. but i'm not actually sure about this. i'm just that the numbering does not matter.
[17:30] <TJ-> ^^^^^
[17:30] <EriC^^> TheWild: does anything show up in 'dmesg' about a program crashing or something?
[17:31] <TheWild> EriC^^: no errors. At least nothing obvious
[17:31] <TheWild> interrupt took too long (3965 > 3961), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 50250
[17:32] <TheWild> and ath5k: ath5k_hw_get_isr: ISR: 0x00000080 IMR: 0x00000000
[17:32] <EriC^^> TheWild: anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[17:32] <TheWild> hmm, 82 bytes. Let's see
[17:32] <TheWild> openConnection: connect: No such file or directory
[17:32] <TheWild> cannot connect to brltty at :0
[17:33] <bender> tomreyn: alright , Ican life with it ;)
[17:33] <EriC^^> TheWild: that's normal
[17:35] <TheWild> is there some ser
[17:35] <TheWild> sorry, finger slipped
[17:35] <TheWild> I'll relog and be back
[17:37] <TheWild> heh, that worked
[17:38] <TheWild> could that be some service that crashed?
[17:38] <tomreyn> bender: so what went wrong during installation? you ended up with just one RAID member device?
[17:39] <EriC^^> TheWild: maybe one of the stuff that appears in ps aux | grep unity
[17:39] <EriC^^> TheWild: unity-scope stuff look promising
[17:39] <zukunf> TheWild: tomreyn you both try this 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda status=progress' on a terminal
[17:40] <EriC^^> TheWild: that's a malicious command don't run it
[17:40] <zukunf> the 'progress' option is important to see the improvement
[17:40] <TheWild> yup, I know ;)
[17:40] <tomreyn> zukunf: this would cause data loss
[17:40] <EriC^^> !ops | zukunf posting malicious stuff
[17:40] <zukunf> is not malicious, but helps starting off a clean slate.
[17:41] <tomreyn> thanks EriC^^
[17:41] <mark____> Hi again guys idk if TJ- is still online/
[17:41] <mark____> but im having an issue still with my mouse wanted to share a gif of the problem here
[17:41] <bender> tomreyn: yes, but I think it was my fault. I have a ssd and two hdd. In the setup process I selected to configure the partitions manually. There I created the raid1 and selected the mountpoint to /data. After that I used the "guided partition" and told ubu to install on the ssd.
[17:41] <mark____> it deoesnt detect the left click mouse up
[17:42] <zukunf> EriC^^: snitch
[17:42] <bender> After the first login the raid1 was up with just one device and switching from clear to degraded. I added the second device and after some hours rebulding it was in a good state (now)
[17:42] <EriC^^> zukunf: you're not throwing candy on teachers here, people's computers could get damaged
[17:43] <EriC^^> how'd you like it if you ran the command and lost all your family photos etc.
[17:43] <redrox> hello everyone
[17:43] <Bashing-om> zukunf: When you have conributed as much to ubuntu as EriC^^ has, you too may become a snitch :)
[17:44] <tomreyn> bender: right, i can see how this would result in what you started with post installation.
[17:44] <pi_> hi
[17:45] <mark____> https://giphy.com/gifs/l49JVF9bWXHOtH7qw
[17:45] <mark____> So here it shows basically it hasn't detected the mouse click has been released
[17:46] <bender> I thougt I can take the easy road and let create the raid and use afterwards the guided partition.
[17:46] <mark____> (standard monitor no touchscreen, as well as only one mouse plugged in)
[17:46] <bender> Thats what I got for the lazy road ;)
[17:48] <tomreyn> bender: it's fine to start with guided, then cancel and switch to manual parittioning, but i would not recommend it the other way around.
[17:48] <TJ-> mark____: identify the mouse's id number from "xinput" then do "xinput --query-state <ID>"
[17:49] <mark____> Not too sure which one it is
[17:49] <mark____> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)] ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)] ⎜   ↳ PixArt USB Optical Mouse                	id=8	[slave  pointer  (2)] ⎜   ↳ Razer Razer BlackWidow Tournament Edition	id=10	[slave  pointer  (2)] ⎜   ↳ Razer Razer BlackWidow Tournament Edition	id=11	[slave  pointer  (2)] ⎣ Virtual core keyboard                   	id=3
[17:49] <strive> My...my eyesss
[17:49] <mark____> (new line not working :(
[17:49] <bender> tomreyn: alright, i will give it a shoot next time. Thank you for your time and help :) !
[17:50] <TJ-> mark____: well what is the make/model of the mouse?
[17:50] <mark____> Dell
[17:50] <mark____> I dont have the model sorry it doesnt say on the back
[17:51] <TJ-> mark____: well you have a "Pixart USB Optical Mouse" listed, so that must be it unless you've got more than 1 mouse device attached
[17:51] <mark____> Sorry I didnt see that one apologies
[17:51] <tomreyn> bender: welcome :)
[17:52] <TJ-> mark____: you also have those "Razer..." devices listed; there may be some interaction between them causing the issue
[17:52] <mark____> Thats my keyboard
[17:52] <mark____> But i have always had this and never had any issues
[17:52] <TJ-> mark____: so try "xinput --query-state 8" for the Pixart
[17:52] <mark____> this is my OG setup
[17:53] <mark____> Where shall i paste the output?~
[17:53] <TJ-> mark____: OK, but the Razer is providing a pointer device, so be aware of that
[17:53] <mark____> TJ-: I dont know how? it's just a keyboard
[17:53] <TJ-> mark____: "pastebinit <( xinput --query-state 8 )"
[17:53] <TJ-> mark____: it must have some form of virtual pointer support from the cursor keys
[17:54] <mark____> I mean it's genuinely a keyboard
[17:54] <mark____> all it has is buttons
[17:55] <mark____> https://pastebin.com/1dAGqsmm
[17:57] <TJ-> mark____: well, that seems to confirm the kernel and input drivers know the button isn't down, so it must be an application or window manager issue
[17:58] <TJ-> mark____: do you have any Accessibility features enabled?
[18:01] <TJ-> mark____: it seems like you're not alone with this https://superuser.com/questions/1263729/mouse-down-stuck-on-some-programs-in-linux-gnome
[18:03] <mark____> TJ-: sorry i missed ur msg
[18:03] <mark____> no i dont have
[18:03] <mark____> accessibility
[18:03] <mark____> enabled
[18:04] <mark____> TJ-:  he just got +1
[18:05] <mark____> https://askubuntu.com/questions/993009/chrome-left-click-released-not-detected
[18:05] <mark____> well I hope i get an answer
[18:06] <alkisg> mark____: I haven't read the issue, but a quick test is: sudo apt install openbox; logout; select the openbox session and login; check if mouse works there
[18:07] <alkisg> If yes, you'll know it's a problem with the desktop environment
[18:07] <mark____> alkisg: the issue is it doesnt ALWAYS happen
[18:07] <alkisg> You can work in openbox for hours
[18:07] <alkisg> Open firefox and everything
[18:07] <mark____> oh
[18:07] <mark____> what is it im confused?
[18:07] <alkisg> It's just a tiny alternative desktop environment, so you'll knowif it's a DE problem or not
[18:08] <mark____> how do i get back to my normal environment after?
[18:08] <alkisg> logout and select your normal session, unity or kde or whatever
[18:08] <TJ-> mark____: this Chrome/Chromium issue looks to be related, and at the end suggests there are other similar bugs https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=336373
[18:09] <TJ-> mark____: but follow alkisg's suggested test first
[18:10] <alkisg> in openbox you open programs by right clicking on the gray empty desktop
[18:12] <TJ-> mark____: this one sounds almost exactly like your issue, right down to using Chrome https://superuser.com/questions/72112/mouse-clicks-suddenly-stopped-working-in-ubuntu
[18:14] <mark____> kind of but he also has keyboard
[18:14] <mark____> issues which i dont have
[18:14] <mark____> he ended up saying that he had faulty mouse.
[18:15] <TJ-> mark____: other people in that thread also report other solutions for them
[18:15] <mark____> TJ-: True.
[18:15] <JonelethIrenicus> how can you uninstall everything from a new repo but then install the other packages from other repos to replace needed packages?
[18:16] <mark____> TJ-: im a bit confused he says
[18:16] <mark____> Anyway, opening a terminal and typing:  metacity --replace &
[18:16] <mark____> will make it work if you're using compiz. If you want compiz back, type:  compiz --replace &
[18:16] <mark____> so do i do both after each other?
[18:16] <mark____> or shall i try openbox first
[18:17] <mark____> alkisg: btw logout; didnt work
[18:17] <mark____> what shall i try instead
[18:17] <JonelethIrenicus> any ideas?
[18:17] <TJ-> mark____: try alkisg's suggestions first, try to narrow it down
[18:17] <JonelethIrenicus> peeps
[18:17] <mark____> how do i logout?
[18:18] <JonelethIrenicus> type reboot
[18:18] <mark____> -.-
[18:18] <TJ-> mark____: logout option somewhere in the menus
[18:18] <mark____> of unity.
[18:18] <mark____> Oh so its literally log out.
[18:18] <mark____> ok fiune
[18:18] <mark____> brb i guess.
[18:21] <rk> Hi all! I'm still learning my way around Ubuntu so please be gentle. Where should I go to get help with issues around installing python and pip to an (air-gapped) Ubuntu LiveCD environment?
[18:23] <Neo4> hi
[18:23] <oerheks> rk on what ubuntu version ?
[18:23] <Neo4> I've already read ubuntu-server guide, what shall I read next?
[18:24] <Neo4> server guide is very good books
[18:24] <rk> 16.04.3
[18:25] <oerheks> ubuntu 16.x gives python  3 by default
[18:25] <Neo4> something about shell?
[18:25] <TJ-> !info apt-offline | rk
[18:26] <rk> I'm running into this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37495375/python-pip-install-throws-typeerror-unsupported-operand-types-for-retry and per last answer suspect I need to get a PIP installed that is more up to date than what's in the Ubuntu repository?
[18:27] <rk> thanks for that tip about apt-offline.  I've been downloading via apt-get -d and then creating a CD repository using dpkg-scanpackages
[18:29] <alteregoa> good morning vietnam
[18:29] <rk> @oerheks does that mean I should be using pip3 instead of pip?
[18:31] <matthias__> how can in fix a missing release event for my mute-button ?
[18:36] <rk> Is there someplace I can go to get a little more hand-holding with my issue?  I'm basically starting with a plain old vanilla Ubuntu 16.04.3 LiveCD and trying to figure out how to get a particular Python package on it (without an internet connection), and am running into the exact "unsupported operand type" error documented at that StackOverflow link, where from what I gather they think it's due to the "precambrian" version of PIP that c
[18:38] <alkisg> rk: why don't you just install to the usb stick instead of using it as a live cd?
[18:39] <alkisg> (install ubuntu normally to that stick, so that you can update whatever you like without bothering with the internet connection)
[18:40] <rk> alksig: for reasons<tm>.  Basically this is going on an air-gapped machine that isn't ever allowed to have any persistent storage plugged into it.  Everything has to come from the LiveCD.
[18:40] <alkisg> Right, and the live cd would have a normal installation... no difference there :)
[18:40] <rk> (or the keyboard)
[18:40] <alkisg> But anyway whatever suits you
[18:41] <rk> alkisg Yep but I think pip on that normal installation is buggered.
[18:41] <rk> (Or I'm not using it right).
[18:43] <matthias__> TJ-: found the error, very easy solution :D
[18:44] <TJ-> matthias__: go on?
[18:44] <matthias__> TJ-: had to add 160 to /sys/bus/.../force_release
[18:44] <matthias__> TJ-: the missing release event was the point for not recognizing a keypress on mute
[18:44] <matthias__> TJ-: now i have to make it permanent
[18:44] <TJ-> matthias__: that is really weird though
[18:45] <TJ-> matthias__: but well done for figuring it out
[18:45] <matthias__> TJ-: idk, maybe the keyboard has a defect and windows only listens for press-events
[18:46] <matthias__> TJ-: or maybe a kernel bug
[18:46] <rk> alkisg or anyone: is there another channel that would be more suitable for my question?
[18:47] <alkisg> rk: pip problems could go to #python
[18:47] <alkisg> ubuntu problems, here...
[18:48] <rk> ok.  Will try there.  Reason I came here first is from what I read on that Stackoverflow link it sounded like the python guys were blaming it on the ubuntu packaging folks ;-)
[18:48] <alkisg> rk: if pip has problems on ubuntu but not elsewhere, then it would be an ubuntu issue
[18:50] <laptop> any fix yet for meltdown or spectre
[18:51] <Bashing-om> !kpti | laptop
[18:53] <tomreyn> a patched firefox is already available
[18:54] <laptop> really
[18:54] <laptop> what about chrome is that for all the bugs
[18:57] <tomreyn> laptop: what do you mean?
[19:02] <matthias__> i have another problem, after waking up from suspend all usb-devices aren't working and lsusb is nearly empty. no touchscreen, no bluetooth or usb-ports. hibernation does not cause this issue
[19:04] <matthias__> the relevant dmesg part is: https://bpaste.net/show/d41f6d94dac0
[19:14] <brainwash> matthias__: I would test with a newer kernel version
[19:16] <matthias__> brainwash: already running with 4.14.0
[19:19] <brunch> Hello! I want to backup my system and I thought about creating a partition on my slow drive and just dd'ing whole drive into that
[19:20] <brunch> then dd'ing back to restore
[19:20] <brunch> is that going to work or am I missing anything?
[19:24] <brainwash> matthias__: .0 ?
[19:29] <rypervenche> brunch: That would work, but how often are you wanting to make this kind of backup?
[19:30] <TJ-> matthias__: firmware ACPI issue I'll bet, see http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:31] <brunch> rypervenche, not often really. The specific scenario is wanting to try out some newer distro but wanting to keep my current ubuntu
[19:31] <brunch> unfortunately my ssd is quite limited in space
[19:31] <KrisWood> Hello everyone!
[19:31] <matthias__> TJ-: already testet all versions also for the mute key
[19:32] <KrisWood> How do you telnet into a serial connection in Linux?
[19:32] <rypervenche> buengenio: Then that would work all right. You'll just need to make sure that you grab the entire drive in dd and not just the partition.
[19:33] <TJ-> matthias__: I know, but for resume issues that will be the issue do you still have an acpi_osi entry in the kernel command line? ("cat /proc/cmdline")
[19:33] <KrisWood> I've got an ubuntu server and I'm trying to connect to a wireless access point's console port but having a hard time figuring out how to translate windows instructions into linux commands...
[19:33] <TJ-> KrisWood: you don't, telnet is a network protocol. Use something like 'minicom' or 'screen /dev/ttyUSB0'
[19:34] <rypervenche> KrisWood: https://www.cyberciti.biz/hardware/5-linux-unix-commands-for-connecting-to-the-serial-console/
[19:34] <matthias__> TJ-: yes, acpi_osi=Windows 2013
[19:35] <rypervenche> brunch: Or if you're keeping the same partition size, you can just dd the partition and that will be fine. So long as the partition is accurate after you restore.
[19:35] <TJ-> KrisWood: real serial devices  are generally /dev/ttyS* USB<>Serial are /dev/ttyUSB* or possibly /dev/ttyACM*
[19:35] <KrisWood> TJ-, I did screen /dev/ttyS0 already but I can't type at the prompt
[19:36] <matthias__> brainwash: 4.14.0-041400-generic
[19:36] <TJ-> matthias__: is Windows 2013 the latest version that was reported? if not, change it in /etc/default/grub to be the latest version, do "sudo update-grub", reboot and test suspend/resume again. ACPI is pivotal for suspend/resume
[19:36] <alkisg> TJ-: Windows 2013 unquoted?
[19:36] <TJ-> KrisWood: OK, you possibly also need to set the correct baud rate for the port
[19:36] <KrisWood> rypervenche, cu says the device is in use and gives a permission error
[19:37] <rypervenche> KrisWood: Are you root?
[19:37] <KrisWood> TJ-, That was my assumption but I don't know how to do that part
[19:37] <matthias__> TJ-: highest version
[19:37] <KrisWood> rypervenche, I used sudo
[19:37] <matthias__> alkisg: i used the script from their site it is acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2013" resume...
[19:37] <stephen101> hello all
[19:37] <TJ-> matthias__: then there is something very broken about that system's firmware!
[19:38] <stephen101> having a issue, getting screen flickering when i open some apps here is a screenshot of what i am seeing.
[19:38] <stephen101> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOvGkm--y27zTcthtVBRuQSlFA6sOpyQVBDfYcFiUSSVs_QrAJcv0cUvWzPa6b0BQ?key=b3MyRTlTeTVjMXVsbF9RX0xkWnBoa0ZqajB5Q3h3
[19:38] <TJ-> matthias__: it's my site, and you've got it correct, so it means the firmware isn't correctly re-initialising the platform hardware when it resumes. Can you capture the "dmesg" output for us?
[19:38] <imi> hi
[19:39] <imi> where can I find the license that corresponds to the package unrar? Thank you for the reply in advance
[19:40] <KrisWood> The manual for the AP says "Set up a terminal emulator to communicate with the access point. Use the following settings for the
[19:40] <KrisWood> terminal emulator connection: 9600 baud, 8 data bits, no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control.
[19:40] <TJ-> KrisWood:  try something like this, working through different baud rates "screen -L /dev/ttyS0 115200,cs8,-ixon,-ixon,istrip" (9600, 19200, 38400, 57600 ..)
[19:40] <TJ-> KrisWood: the "-L" creates a logfile in the current directory
[19:40] <KrisWood> TJ-, Where did you find those commands?
[19:41] <TJ-> KrisWood: I've been using them for a very long time :) They're in my head
[19:41] <matthias__> TJ-: i did: https://bpaste.net/show/d41f6d94dac0  wasn't it enough?
[19:41] <TJ-> KrisWood: if you want to know of other options use "man stty"
[19:41] <matthias__> TJ-: i can upload the whole one after a fresh restart
[19:42] <HickorySmokedBac> Is there a way to stop any kind of guest access ?
[19:42] <KrisWood> TJ-, All I get is a blank screen with that, including with the 9600 baud
[19:42] <HickorySmokedBac> Or put a password on the guest ?
[19:42] <stephen101> any ideas?
[19:42] <TJ-> matthias__: that suggests the system's ACPI firmware (in the DSDT) is not correctly reinitialising the USB controller. That may mean you'll need to configure the system to manually send a reset to the PCI node the USB controller is on
[19:43] <stephen101> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOvGkm--y27zTcthtVBRuQSlFA6sOpyQVBDfYcFiUSSVs_QrAJcv0cUvWzPa6b0BQ?key=b3MyRTlTeTVjMXVsbF9RX0xkWnBoa0ZqajB5Q3h3
[19:43] <TJ-> KrisWood: try removing the "-ixon" entries
[19:43] <HickorySmokedBac> https://www.howtogeek.com/117994/how-to-disable-ubuntus-guest-session-account/ maybe that's it..
[19:44] <mutante> HickorySmokedBac: allow-guest=false
[19:44] <stephen101> doesnt effect system usage just annoying
[19:44] <matthias__> TJ-: okay, how can this be done?
[19:44] <HickorySmokedBac> mutante: that'll work for all flavors?
[19:44] <mutante> HickorySmokedBac: i dont know :)
[19:45] <TJ-> matthias__: Try "echo 1 | sudo dd of=/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:00:14.0/rescan"
[19:46] <TJ-> matthias__: then check dmesg again for indications it did something :)
[19:47] <TJ-> KrisWood: what cable are you using between the server and console? It'll need to be a 'null modem' cable (where the DTE and DCE are swapped)
[19:48] <HickorySmokedBac> mutante: it do not
[19:48] <HickorySmokedBac> The file isn't there
[19:49] <KrisWood> TJ-, I've got an existing screen running from a previous session, could that stop the new one from working?
[19:49] <TJ-> KrisWood: if it's on the same port yes
[19:49] <HickorySmokedBac> mutante: Oh you gotta make it
[19:49] <paracusia> hello, I'm using ubuntu 17.04 and got an ATi graphics card, which is also recognized with the "radeon" driver. sadly, OpenGL doesnt work(glxgears shows no opengl
[19:49] <KrisWood> TJ-, same port
[19:49] <KrisWood> how do I kill the previous screen session?
[19:49] <TJ-> KrisWood: generally though I'd expect the 2nd screen to refuse to connect to /dev/ttyS0, reporting it busy
[19:49] <paracusia> any idea how to enable/reinstall OpenGL
[19:50] <KrisWood> TJ-, it didn't refuse, it just gave a blank screen with no prompt
[19:50] <TJ-> KrisWood: KrisWood I *think* it's Ctrl+A X
[19:50] <KrisWood> I can reconnect to old one that didn't have any baud etc
[19:50] <mutante> HickorySmokedBac: that was a different user who said that :)
[19:51] <TJ-> KrisWood: whatever the screen escape key is, then X for exit.
[19:51] <HickorySmokedBac> mutante: Let me go see if it cut it off.
[19:51] <akik> TJ-: ctrl+a x is for lock, ctrl+a K is for killing a screen window
[19:51] <KrisWood> akik, that was it, thanks!
[19:51] <TJ-> akik: KrisWood thanks ^^^^^^
[19:51] <TJ-> I'm so used to tmux now I forget
[19:52] <KrisWood> yeah all the linux gurus at my last job swore by tmux but I never picked it up
[19:52] <KrisWood> it's funny how fast I forget things these days when I stop using them
[19:52] <akik> i don't switch my apps just because something is new
[19:52] <TJ-> KrisWood: they both take some learning; tty's is the one thing screen does that tmux can't
[19:53] <stephen101> any ideas what would cause screen tearing anf flickering when i open files in gedit?
[19:53] <TJ-> tmux is hardly new :)
[19:53] <matthias__> TJ-: no change but dmesg printet this: https://bpaste.net/raw/34282e0b8c57
[19:53] <stephen101> and*
[19:54] <akik> TJ-: it's just 20 years junior to screen :)
[19:54] <KrisWood> TJ-, still a blank screen with the old one killed
[19:54] <TJ-> matthias__: WOW! That system is really broken! Those "no space" for the Base Address Register 15 suggests the parent bridge window has shrunk during suspend/resume
[19:54] <TJ-> KrisWood: I'm not sure then, but I suspect the cable unless you know it works :)
[19:55] <TJ-> KrisWood: you're using 9600,cs8 ?
[19:55] <matthias__> TJ-: can i fix it?
[19:56] <TJ-> matthias__: I've never seen a PCI bridge window change size during a suspend/resume cycle
[19:56] <KrisWood> sudo screen -L /dev/ttyS0 9600,cs8,istrip
[19:56] <matthias__> TJ-: when i run hibernation now the usb devices will work again
[19:56] <TJ-> KrisWood: looks good to me. Any other serial devices you could test with?
[19:56] <rolandbeowulf> I'm on ubuntu 17.04, and bluetooth suddenly won't turn on at all, its bluetooth settings are default. how do i troubleshoot this?
[19:56] <TJ-> matthias__: right, something in the ACPI side is badly broken
[19:57]  * TJ- has to go now
[19:57] <KrisWood> TJ-, I have one other AP
[19:57] <KrisWood> I'll try that
[19:57] <matthias__> TJ-: okay, maybe somebody else can help me
[20:00] <stephen101> no ideas for my problem? in general it only happens in gedit.
[20:00] <stephen101> but its random.
[20:01] <rolandbeowulf> Is there anyway i can debug my bluetooth issue?
[20:01] <stephen101> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOvGkm--y27zTcthtVBRuQSlFA6sOpyQVBDfYcFiUSSVs_QrAJcv0cUvWzPa6b0BQ/photo/AF1QipNt4vhekBu62gCxDAio8byvaRT76Te2AxjUInNH?key=b3MyRTlTeTVjMXVsbF9RX0xkWnBoa0ZqajB5Q3h3
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> rolandbeowulf  simply hit the up arrow to repeat your question every 10-15 minutes or so, until someone enters who can help
[20:06] <KrisWood> TJ-, It turned out I still had a bunch screen sessions running as sudo, they just didn't show up because I was doing screen -list as my own user instead of as sudo
[20:06] <KrisWood> TJ-, so I killed those but it's still a blank screen
[20:07] <KrisWood> if I reboot the AP it gives bits and pieces of the output
[20:07] <KrisWood> but the only way that gives all of the output is just screen /dev/ttyS0
[20:07] <KrisWood> and even with that I've got no input
[20:08] <matthias__> TJ-: are you back again?
[20:08] <maverick_> hmmmmm
[20:09] <rolandbeowulf> on further investigation it seems like my internal bluetooth reciever is no longer showing up in lspci, the wifi on this thing broke recently so maybe the bluetooth reciever's followed suit
[20:23] <jmpf> i'm trying to to install a disk image w/dd and it seems to work on a vm but w/real hardware when grub boots up it complains of invalid uuid's - i was under the impression that the uuids were partition specific not hardware so it shouldn't matter about needing to change those?
[20:25] <DexterF> heya
[20:25] <akik> jmpf: uuid is file system specific. when you create a new file system, you'll get a new uuid
[20:25] <DexterF> ubuntu server, crashed twice, last time I tail'ed syslog and say live what happened: https://pastebin.com/ngtYpvAt
[20:27] <tulpa> i'm on 16.04 trying to compile a program with GCC. i am getting Your compiler can't produce working binaries.
[20:27] <DexterF> kernel panic over what I *think* is related to the attached usb dvb tuner. I've seen more wonk on the 4.4 kernel recently in other dists to be coincidence, so: can I have a newer kernel on 16.04 LTS other than compile myself?
[20:27] <EriC^^> jmpf: maybe the wrong grub is booting on real hardware
[20:29] <tulpa> i did apt install build-essential
[20:30] <jmpf> EriC^^: i was thinking of that maybe - i'm basically running this - bzip2 -cd stuff.bz2 | dd bs=1M conv=nocreat of=/dev/sda status=none
[20:31] <jmpf> that should overwrite any old grub right?
[20:31] <EriC^^> yeah, is there another hdd on the real disk maybe?
[20:31] <xiz> hi am install kde plasma on ubuntu. but getting this "56% [Waiting for headers]"
[20:32] <xiz> even my internet is working fine. also tried stopping it and restarting it
[20:32] <xiz> but it is still stuck on "56% [Waiting for headers]"
[20:32] <xiz> please help ^
[20:32] <jmpf> EriC^^: no
[20:33] <stephen101> maybe install then update thereafter?
[20:34] <EriC^^> jmpf: can't think of what else it might be, maybe in grub try 'ls (hdx,msdosy)' and see if the uuid's match and stuff
[20:34] <EriC^^> jmpf: 'ls -l' in grub sometimes lists everything at once
[20:34] <rizonz> hi guys
[20:34] <stephen101> xiz: maybe install then update thereafter?
[20:34] <tomreyn> xiz: which mirror server are you downloading from?
[20:34] <stephen101> hi
[20:34] <rizonz> anyone knows if ufw can conflict with iptables rules set by iptables itself ?
[20:35] <xiz> tomreyn: i don't know. i did "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[20:35] <tomreyn> xiz: did you run "sudo apt-get update" beforehand?
[20:35] <xiz> and before that i did "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports"
[20:35] <xiz> yeah, tomreyn
[20:36] <tomreyn> xiz: oh so you're using a ppa, that's good to know
[20:36] <stephen101> nm thought your were getting hung up on a fresh install
[20:37] <tomreyn> can you cancel, then re-run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get -V install kubuntu-desktop" and show the output of both commands?
[20:37] <xiz> tomreyn: okay, let me do that
[20:37] <tomreyn> !paste | xiz
[20:38] <stephen101> can anyone maybe help me with my screen tearing issue? no errors in log in regards to gpu issues.
[20:38] <xiz> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26334648/
[20:39] <xiz> its stuck there
[20:40] <xiz> tomreyn: ?
[20:40] <tomreyn> xiz: this looks like internet access or routing issues. you can ping in.archive.ubuntu.com for a minute or two, then cancel and see what it reports about packet loss.
[20:42] <xiz> tomreyn: 54 packets transmitted, 53 received, 1% packet loss, time 53085ms
[20:42] <xiz> tomreyn: heyyy. after pinging it, i re-did apt-get update and it worked
[20:43] <tomreyn> xiz: keep running it a little longer, and while you run it, run the update + install in a seperate terminal window
[20:43] <xiz> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26334672/
[20:43] <xiz> okay
[20:43] <stephen101> maybe releasing his ip and renewing it?
[20:45] <xiz> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26334685/
[20:45] <xiz> tomreyn: but xubuntu installating still stuck
[20:46] <metaphysician> Hello! No Meltdown-fixed updated kernel packages from Ubuntu yet?? https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/
[20:46] <tomreyn> xiz: xubuntu? i was thinking you want to install kubuntu?
[20:47] <xiz> tomreyn: yeah, kubuntu
[20:47] <stephen101> did you check your logs under var/log/
[20:47] <xiz> typo
[20:48] <xiz> no, which logs? stephen101
[20:48] <tomreyn> xiz: what does the ping output say now?
[20:48] <xiz> tomreyn: 1% loss
[20:48] <stephen101> kern and syslog
[20:49] <xiz> tomreyn: now, it is 0% loss
[20:49] <brainwash> metaphysician: that is correct https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[20:50] <tomreyn> xiz: how many packets were transferred?
[20:51] <xiz> tomreyn: lost that output. doing it again
[20:51]  * DexterF found HWE kernels
[20:51] <xiz> tomreyn: 56 packets transmitted, 54 received, 3% packet loss, time 55035ms
[20:51] <tomreyn> xiz: hmm it's probably some MTU / MSS / middle box issue then. reinitializing / restarting (power off, power on, pull cable, reconnect cable) your internet / router / modem might help. you could also install 'mtr' (it's small and run it against in.archive.ubuntu.com, this might give a better idea where things are failing.
[20:52] <xiz> tomreyn: okay. i'll try that. thanks for helping me
[20:52] <stephen101> any errors in logs?
[20:54] <metaphysician> brainwash: thanks. Red Hat has already released their updated kernels.
[20:54] <hfp> Hi, I have changed the hardware config for my Ubuntu 17.04 machine, and now the network interfaces names don't match anymore. Is there a way to tell Ubuntu that "this is the new default network interface's name"?
[20:57] <metaphysician> brainwash: so has Debian: https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4078
[20:59] <brainwash> metaphysician: I guess ubuntu kernel devs need a bit more time
[21:00] <akik> hfp: you can change the names with udev rules if you want
[21:02] <akik> hfp: here's an example for /etc/udev/rules.d/10-network.rules: SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTR{address}=="ma:ca:dd:re:ss:here", NAME="new_if_name"
[21:04] <Guest64475> hi
[21:06] <hfp_> akik: thanks
[21:06] <hfp> akik: thank you
[21:37] <KrisWood> TJ-, I got it working with minicom to at least the point I was at with screen
[21:37] <KrisWood> I can see th serial console output but still no input
[21:38] <KrisWood> Maybe it's a permission issue, like I can't write to it? But I did sudo chmod 777 /dev/ttyS0
[21:40] <KrisWood> Can anyone here help me figure out how to connect to a serial console from an ubuntu server?
[21:42] <JoshuaD> Is there a way to install just the KDE desktop (for testing an app I'm developing) without installing all of the other KDE desktop stuff?  I know I can run it in a virtualbox, but that's kinda cumbersome for my case.
[21:43] <tomreyn> JoshuaD: if virtualization doesn't work you can also run it from a live cd /isb stick
[21:43] <tomreyn> JoshuaD: and to the original question: no, there is not.
[21:44] <JoshuaD> thanks.
[21:51] <tomreyn> KrisWood: use minicom or GNU screen
[21:52] <tomreyn> oh you knew that already
[21:52] <Gaming4JC> JoshuaD: I suppose you could use a chroot, but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble - https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/chroot-with-x-applications/
[21:53] <tueftler> hi there. i had used a second HDD to get the data out from my defect synology NAS. now, i would like to mount that disc to an running ubuntu mate in trial mode. but...i cant mount the data there.
[21:53] <JoshuaD> @Gaming4JC, Thanks. I don't mind logging out and logging in over there, i just don't want to flood my desktop machine with a bunch of software I don't use.
[21:54] <tueftler> i had used a little tool from sysinternal in windows for that, but there was no possibility to save the data to a net storage directly
[21:55] <tueftler> i had double click the viewable disc in ubuntu, but when i press MOUNT ubuntu said it cant mount the hdd
[21:55] <Gaming4JC> tueftler: From livecd --> terminal -->  run "lsblk" to get drive name (/dev/sdX), then just mount it via -> mkdir -p /media/my_drive -> mount /dev/sdX /media/my_drive
[21:55] <Gaming4JC> manual method, but works nearly every time, and if there's an issue you can see what it is, vs using a GUI.
[21:56] <tueftler> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda will display the follow informations: Sektorengröße (logisch/physisch): 512 Bytes / 4096 Bytes I/O Größe (minimal/optimal): 4096 Bytes / 4096 Bytes Typ der Medienbezeichnung: gpt Medienkennung: DF6BF4F3-7B55-4DBF-A8FB-E89B17869149  Gerät        Start       Ende   Sektoren Größe Typ /dev/sda1     2048    4982527    4980480  2,4G Linux RAID /dev/sda2  4982528    9176831    4194304    2G Linux RAID /dev/sda3
[21:57] <tueftler> Gaming4JC:  i will do that now
[21:57] <tomreyn> !paste | tueftler
[21:57] <tomreyn> to output information in english, run: export LANG=C
[21:59] <tueftler> yes, im sorry. will do that. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26335195/plain/
[22:01] <tomreyn> all of these partitions are raid members, you may not be able to mound them directly like a file system
[22:01] <tomreyn> tueftler: ^
[22:01] <tomreyn> that's assuminmg we're looking at the correct disk?
[22:04] <tueftler> sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/mydrive will give me the answer mount: /media/mydrive: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'.
[22:04] <tueftler> tomreyn: aha. strange. it should be a spare drive with data on it
[22:05] <tomreyn> tueftler: how did you replicate the data from your synaology nas to this disk?
[22:06] <tueftler> with the sysinternals tool i can show my data on the disk.
[22:06] <akik> tueftler: if it's a linux md raid device, you probably need to use mdadm to start it up (enable the md raid device for mounting)
[22:06] <tueftler> i had mount the disc as an spare drive. create the folders and cop
[22:07] <tueftler> y all the data to these folders by hand
[22:07] <tueftler> with the integrated browser
[22:09] <tomreyn> tueftler: i see. try: sudo mdadm --run --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1
[22:09] <tomreyn> tueftler: and post tis output
[22:09] <tomreyn> *it's
[22:10] <tueftler> now, i had banned all synologys and would like to copy the data to my freenas
[22:10] <tueftler> ok, will do that
[22:11] <tueftler> one questian before... how can i change the keyboard layout to qwerz. that would be make it easier :)
[22:12] <akik> tueftler: either "setxkbmap de" (xorg) or "sudo loadkeys de" (virtual console)
[22:13] <akik> tueftler: these are just for temporary change
[22:14] <tueftler> hmm, qwerty still exist
[22:15] <tomreyn> tueftler: also post the output of : sudo mdadm --query /dev/sda1; sudo mdadm --query /dev/sda2; sudo mdadm --query /dev/sda3
[22:15] <tueftler> akik: no it works. thank you
[22:15] <adman120> Ok, im stumped i got my mount working but now sonarr keeps saying its unable to write to the folder but the user sonarr is running under can. Any ideas?
[22:15] <tueftler> tomreyn: i'll du it now
[22:16] <tueftler> sudo: mdadm: command not found
[22:16] <irisf> last night i deleted ubuntu 16.04  and installed ubutu 14.04.5 and then downgraded to 14.04.1 beus of  old amd graphic card radeon  and then i installed fglrx but there is a  bad problem that i think it is a bug
[22:16] <tomreyn> tueftler: install it then
[22:16] <irisf> the problem is consuming cpu by Xorg process  = 100% or more
[22:17] <tomreyn> !downgrade | irisf
[22:17] <tueftler> tomreyn: could you please tell me how? i'm a noob in unix things
[22:18] <tomreyn> tueftler: sudo apt update; sudo apt install mdadm
[22:18] <arch0s> @tueftler you're from switzerland
[22:18] <arch0s> ?
[22:18] <irisf> ubottu : didnt break  system but xorg uses high cpu
[22:18] <tueftler> wow, sounds clear.... done
[22:19] <adman120> anyone?
[22:19] <tomreyn> tueftler: less typing for the series of commands i asked you to run: sudo mdadm --query /dev/sda{1..3}
[22:20] <tueftler> get: /dev/sda1: is not an md array
[22:21] <tomreyn> irisf: whats the graphics card you are trying to make work? lspci -nn | grep VGA
[22:21] <tomreyn> tueftler: i bet you got more than a single line of output?
[22:21] <irisf> tomreyn :00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R4/R5 Graphics] [1002:9851] (rev 05)
[22:21] <UKCoder> Hi all - I have a new ubuntu 16.04 install and I'm trying to get VNC working.  I have tightvnc setup, and I'm able to access the box however whenever I launch a terminal in the VNC desktop (, or any other app), it launches the terminal on the real desktop, not the VNC desktop.  Any ideas?  I haven't seen this happen before with VNC
[22:22] <tomreyn> adman120: maybe repeat your qwuestion and sum up the issue again if nobody got around to help you, yet
[22:22] <adman120> Ok, im stumped i got my mount working but now sonarr keeps saying its unable to write to the folder but the user sonarr is running under can. Any ideas?
[22:22] <tueftler> with sda3 i get more output: /dev/sda3: is not an md array /dev/sda3: device 0 in 1 device inactive raid1 array.  Use mdadm --examine for more detail.
[22:26] <MJCDwork> hey - I have two copies of 17.10 sitting right next to each other
[22:26] <MJCDwork> and I just can not get Synergy to work
[22:26] <tomreyn> tueftler: please run this and report back the url provided: sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sda{1..3} | pastebinit
[22:28] <tueftler> done https://paste.ubuntu.com/26335357/
[22:28] <MJCDwork> em dad em
[22:28] <tomreyn> adman120: your question lacks context. what are you trying to achieve, how are you doing it, and whow is it failing? what is 'my mount' that you got working, how does it relate to this; what are 'sonarr' and 'can'?
[22:29] <adman120> ok sonarr is a program that is running under a user. the user is able to write to the directory but sonarr says it is unable to. the diretory is a mounted rclone directory shared via nfs4
[22:30] <brainwas1> MJCDwork: which desktop environment?
[22:30] <MonkeyDust> !find sonarr
[22:30] <MJCDwork> brainwas1, gnome
[22:30] <MJCDwork> standard 17.10
[22:30] <brainwas1> MJCDwork: wayland or Xorg session?
[22:30] <MJCDwork> ?
[22:31] <MJCDwork> im really not sure, its stock 17.10
[22:31] <MJCDwork> on both
[22:32] <brainwas1> what does "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" return?
[22:32] <brainwas1> in a terminal window
[22:32] <brainwas1> Synergy does not support wayland
[22:33] <MonkeyDust> adman120  sonarr has its own channel   #sonarr
[22:33] <tomreyn> tueftler: sudo mdadm --assemble --uuid 7e7e8952:da16c0a9:3e1a208c:30efcf25 --run
[22:34] <tueftler> mdadm: an md device must be given in this mode
[22:34] <adman120> didnt know if this was a sonarr issue or not
[22:34] <adman120> ill try there first
[22:34] <MJCDwork> brainwas1, ah ok yeah looks as though it is wayland though I thought that would be obvious to a non-idiot like me
[22:35] <MJCDwork> is there an alternative tool?
[22:35] <brainwas1> MJCDwork: I would test with the Xorg session then. simply logout and select it from the login screen.
[22:35] <tomreyn> tueftler: sudo mdadm --assemble --uuid 7e7e8952:da16c0a9:3e1a208c:30efcf25 --run /dev/md0
[22:36] <MJCDwork> brainwas1, whats the detriment?
[22:36] <tomreyn> tueftler: sorry, that was wrong
[22:36] <tueftler> tomreyn: cool...md0 has been started with 1 drive.
[22:36] <MJCDwork> wayland vs xorg
[22:36] <MJCDwork> I mean
[22:37] <tomreyn> tueftler: hmm ok, then i guess it may have worked nevertheless
[22:37] <brainwas1> MJCDwork: I guess you can look that up on the internet
[22:37] <tomreyn> tueftler:cat /proc/mdstat
[22:37] <tueftler> tomreyn: holy grab. its running now :D
[22:37] <brainwas1> MJCDwork: xorg is the old one, and therefore more mature and better supported
[22:37] <tueftler> i can show my data in the browser view
[22:37] <tomreyn> tueftler: ok
[22:37] <MJCDwork> brainwas1, yeah I get that, I didnt even know about wayland til just now lol
[22:38] <MJCDwork> ill try what you suggested
[22:38] <MJCDwork> I like xorg anyway
[22:38] <tueftler> tomreyn: hope i get it worked with the second drive, too ;)    THANKS a lot!!!
[22:38] <tomreyn> tueftler: what you ahve there is one device of an incomplete raid array. you'll best move the data out of that and elsewhere.
[22:40] <tueftler> tomreyn: but thats strange. by master data was an RAID6, but these two discs i had bought only for transfering the data out... had luck
[22:41] <tueftler> *my* master
[22:51] <NoCode> Hi, having issues with locked memory. It is set to unlimited, but when I do "ulimit -l" it is only 64.
[22:52] <NoCode> I've logged out/in. Restarted. Nothing changes.
[23:03] <TvL2386> hey guys, I'm playing with docker and I need to run a command every minute. Normally it would be scheduled in cron, but here in the docker image there is no cron. It's also not desirable to create and maintain a new image specifically for this purpose
[23:03] <TvL2386> I don't want to sleep 60, because if the command takes 10 seconds to finish, it will happen that minutes will be skipped
[23:04] <TvL2386> so I'm looking for some solution to run a command every 1st second of every minute or something
[23:04] <Ben64> might have better results in ##linux
[23:04] <TvL2386> cool!
[23:04] <TvL2386> I'll go there
[23:04] <Gaming4JC> TvL2386: watch -n60 [command]
[23:04] <Gaming4JC> n60 = 60 seconds
[23:05] <TvL2386> I know watch, but does it keep track of time used by the executing script?
[23:05] <TvL2386> I did not think so
[23:05] <tomreyn> tueftler: i think that synology created a raid array across any disk attached to it by default.
[23:05] <tomreyn> that would explain it.
[23:05] <Gaming4JC> TvL2386: it only waits for the existing command to stop prior to calling it again, you could write a little bash wrapper to catch execution time probably
[23:06] <TvL2386> Gaming4JC: I'm looking for that :)
[23:07] <pi1> hi
[23:08] <Gaming4JC> TvL2386: how about: watch -n5 time echo "Test"
[23:08] <Gaming4JC> execution time is 0sec for this program since echo is way fast.
[23:09] <pi1> ?
[23:09] <Gaming4JC> hello
[23:10] <Ben64> TvL2386: Gaming4JC: watch doesn't seem to work based on my test
[23:14] <pi1> ?
[23:15] <Henstepl> the VPN password field doesn't work in whatever the GNOME 3 network manager is
[23:15] <Gaming4JC> pil: Don't ask to ask, ask and someone will reply if they are able to assist you. :)
[23:15] <Henstepl> It will not let me click in to the field, and tab skips it entirely. Though it doesn't seem grayed out
[23:23] <tueftler> tomreyn: ok. that would be explain that, yes. but cool thing, that the sysinternal freeware tool had read access to it directly :)  But, i think in better to copy the data with a linux OS. Must say, i should play with ubuntu a bit. Looks be great
[23:29] <alfredo> hi