[00:00] @BrisPete, not using virtualbox is likely to be more successful [00:01] @DC7IA, still not a stable release [00:01] @BrisPete, if you plug in a secondary usb mouse and configure the vm to pass it through though, it might work a little better [00:02] I mean: Will it come soon-ish? Or more like: 2019? [00:08] I predict 6 months if Marius doesn't drink Monster and 3 months if he drinks it. [00:09] What will be different then? [00:12] The bill of Monster... [00:13] i don't know how long it will be. i mean you can install 16.04 image right now if you want [00:14] not everything works as well as in 15.04, but it's there [00:47] @dohbee, I'll give it another go tomorrow. Thanks for your suggestion. [01:52] @delijati, I do. It started exactly when I switched my canonical image bq e4.5 to ubports. [01:53] Usually lasted for 2 days with some usage. Now it can barely last a day. Battery drains even when idle. [02:20] Hello team ! … About Whatsapp for Ubuntu Touch, have you tried to create a petition for the developers ? [02:24] @Fabio7891, native whatsapp won't happen unless someone pays whatsapp a whole lot of cash (like a million dollars), or we get like 10 million users or something ridiculous [02:27] Well, if Ubuntu Touch will be always tidy and easy to use, I think there are chance [02:29] Better would be an open alternative that is superior to whatsapp [03:36] hi... so it looks like the right half of my N4 isn't responding at all... is this possible it's UT or is it 100% the digitizer/screen? [03:37] I'm somewhat desperate so all ideas open :) [03:44] @wayneoutthere, Install twrp touch recovery and see if touch works there.. if it does then it's UT.. if not.. rip digitizer, it was nice knowing ya [03:44] hmm [03:44] thanks... is that via cable? [03:44] i guess... since it's dead? [03:45] i was thinking about some 'power moves' lik ethat to try... [03:45] Yeah reboot to bootloader, and then fastboot flash recovery [03:45] ... hmm [03:46] i wonder if the installer would work? [03:46] i'm rusty with adb stuff [03:46] Or you can just boot the recovery inage instead of flashing it to not overwrite ubp recovery [03:46] fastboot boot [03:47] i don't mind overwriting... i guess. i can probably pull the data off with cable [03:47] like photos [03:47] Ubuntu Touch OS is damn not ready for real. [03:48] i've been using it for real for nearly a year so it's ready. this might be my screen [03:48] @wayneoutthere, Did it fall ? [03:48] @Ern_st, no [03:48] Hiring Developers to complete OS like building team [03:48] sure with whose money? [03:48] sounds graet [03:49] @wayneoutthere, You don't need to overwrite data partition, it's completely untouched [03:49] oh, ok. [03:49] Free! Volunteers! [03:49] thanks... [03:49] @Dion, oh maybe i misunderstood you. we are a team of volunteers... [03:49] i thought you were saying 'this is not a good OS - we need to pay money and hire someone to fix it' [03:49] Most likely your are good to change the screen + digitalizer ... around 30 $ with a lot of fake on ebay :/ [03:50] ... it's an N4 [03:50] i'm not sure it's worth a new screen... even $30 [03:50] i like it but.. [03:50] $75 for an N5 [03:50] exactly [03:50] hey will [03:50] It might be a good time [03:51] @wayneoutthere, Yes not good OS. There is a lot of work to do in long term. [03:51] @wayneoutthere, Yes correct ... [03:51] @Dion, what makes you say it's not a good OS? i'm not attacking you just curious. I love it [03:51] Can you try switching channels? Can you get a bt mouse attached? [03:51] i don't ahve BT mouse [03:51] @Crash_Burn, Not on a N4 [03:52] i have a USB cable and a terminal though [03:52] heading to the install room .. :) [03:52] thanks @bhushanshah [03:53] @wayneoutthere, Lol! Sure! [03:55] There need to work on Ubuntu Touch SDK for app after will have completed OS. [03:57] i see yeah SDK is interesting topic. [03:57] clickable seems good [03:59] @wayneoutthere, Yes but little diffcult for some developers when bugs are appeared [04:13] Why not develop UT 16.04 on BQ M10 FHD? This is opportunity for UT fans and developers that can buy BQ products are still available to test or/and use. It is my opinion. [04:14] Wayne(out there) [04:16] @Dion, Wasn't this very thing brought up in the Community Update today? [04:19] Nah. [04:35] (Sticker, 512x410) https://irc.ubports.com/uI7fbiUc/file_3623 [04:46] Is the keyboard issue resolved in 16.04 [06:20] @Fabio7891, Why are you so eager to use Whatsapp? I am living very well without it. If some people cannot understand why they should install the f-droid version of telegram instead of whatsapp, then I don't bother communicating with them at all :D [06:44] @DiogoConstantino, You are wrong, itis not the real problem. OSM is not a service provider. You have turn-by-turn navigation on their website but it is thinked as a way to test the database and discover missing-wrong ways. The osm "policy" is only to make the database over with external services providers can base their services. So the problem is not their turn by turn navigation (it is not their, it came from implementation of external [06:44] software:mapzen, osmr...) but the fact that you can't use osm website to implement services on your app. This is not only for the turn by turn engine, but also for the nominatim (search engine) and their tile services (map rendering)...the code is opensource so you can use what they have done, but you can't use their servers to implement them. the only thing you can use fron dei server is their DB [08:41] dmitrywolf was added by: dmitrywolf [08:42] @dmitrywolf, С рождеством! Merry Christmas [08:42] also welcome [08:42] be sure to join @ubports_ru for Russian discussions and @ubports_ot for off-topic stuff [08:47] (Sticker, 512x300) https://irc.ubports.com/IGl1xeFH/file_3637 [08:47] sorry wrong chat [08:49] Hello, I have Nexus 4 currently with Kali Nethunter, I want to use device in style of single board computer, hook it up to ethernet adapter, install nodejs, python, go software with apt-get, will ubuntu give more performance over nethunter? [08:50] nethunter runs within android iirc [08:50] yes [08:50] so native ubuntu will be more performant for sure [08:50] also it supports convergence (external monitor output and all that cool stuff) [08:51] apt-get can get a little tricky [08:51] you can't use it out of the box [08:51] as / is readonly (the fs is readonly) [08:51] you either need to remount it to rw (breaking ota updates) or use libertine containers [08:51] you can ever run GUI apps using libertine containers [08:52] like full featured IDEs [08:52] i have seen mention of small partition where apt-get packages is installed [08:53] i haven't unfortunately, ask @KrisJacewicz [08:53] he hacks ubports a lot [08:54] @vanyasem, making rootfs writable does not break ota updates. it's the other way around. After ota update, all the custom changes made to your rootfs will be no longer. [08:58] yeah, that's been cleared here before. you can still do OTA updates even if you use apt. but sometimes OTA updates loses your apt changes/installations [08:59] Is docker works in ubuntu touch? [09:00] I guess if it has arm builds and support for 15.04? [09:01] Thank you all 😉 [09:40] @Javacookies, Interesting. That's a lot less serious than what I believed. I might actually try it so. Id like to install MC and a few other CLI apps. [09:41] Can easily reinstall them after the OTAs. [09:42] just don't blame me if anything happens :P … I'm not 100% sure but that's based on my experience and some other people's opinion here ;) [09:51] I understand. Its up to me to research more. The only authority is the system itself :) I can afford the risk. [09:51] Thanks Kugi. [10:50] Tried to use https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/ [10:51] look at ~/Library/Application\ Support/ubports/ubports-installer.log [10:51] there is clean password in there [10:52] please dont tell me that you sending this logs as bug reports 😄 [11:01] @dmitrywolf, Can you describe this a little more please? I do not understand what this means [11:02] My user password is written in logs as part of commands [11:03] fankyBE was added by: fankyBE [11:05] Welcome Simon! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪 [11:06] @dmitrywolf, When you use the installer, your private password is written to a file as plain text, without that being made clear to you? [11:13] @Stereofont, seriously, why not gksudo [11:14] https://twitter.com/costalesdev/status/949944025574006784?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E0 [11:14] @Stereofont, Thank you Lionelb. I was looking for your news channel which i found now in the tagged message. What channel is this one? [11:16] https://plus.google.com/+MarcosCostales/posts/Nzt2dFXEUHr [11:23] @fankyBE, This is the big, main group about UBports. There are also language-based groups [11:24] @fankyBE, Is there a reason you were looking specifically for a 'news' channel? [11:31] @bhdouglass $ clickable launch … Multiple devices attached [11:31] $ clickable devices … UA000784 - Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition [11:32] @Stereofont, Of course. I heard rumors about a port for Oneplus 3 and would love to read some news about that. Since i use Ubuntu on my laptop, anbox is an interesting theme for me anyway. [11:34] @fankyBE, Marius G has got a long way with that. An 'official' release will probably not be far away [11:35] A very rough test version of Anbox is about to be made available but it runs on UT 16.04, which is quite experiment al and haphazard still [11:41] If you have two devices, it might be fun to follow progress on a device that you don't need [11:41] If you have only one device, wise to leave well alone [11:42] Can't find manual install instructions, gui installer don't work for me [11:43] @dmitrywolf, Join the Welcome Room from the button in a welcome message link [11:46] There is unclosed pull req that affect macOS, but from logs seems like bundled adb just dont see fastboot device [11:46] @Stereofont, I'm very pleased to hear that. I have multiple devices but op3 is my daily driver. Maybe that will change when UT will be available for that device. [11:56] @fankyBE, Maybe you have a compatible device, like a Nexus 4 or 5? [12:00] @Stereofont, Before the OP3 i was into Keyboards and had some Blackberrys with BBOS10 and Android. Is there a german channel too? I read about it, but cold not find. [12:01] @mariogrip Any idea, how to fix the kernels for the remaining devices (e.g. N5) after dropping device-files? Would like to help. [12:02] @fankyBE, http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch [12:03] @Stereofont, Thank you very much. [12:03] @fankyBE, Nexus 5 can be quite inexpensive for 'play' [12:03] Also 2013 N7 tablets [12:05] @Stereofont, That's a great idea. Are there differences between a tablet or a smartphone version of ubuntu touch? [12:07] @fankyBE, The tablet cant make calls 😂😂😂 [12:09] Same version [12:09] Then you have a tablet too… [12:10] BQ FHD is still possible to get bit around €230 [12:10] @Stereofont, I had a tablet which can actually do calls. 😉 Unfortunately it does not boot anymore. [12:11] N7 LTE can I suppose [12:11] A big phone so not very presidential 🤡 [12:12] @Stereofont, No, it was a Asus Phonepad 7 with Intel chip. [12:12] @nfsprodriver, Ah, now I see: The ubuntu-overlay isn't included yet (correctly) to hammerhead. [12:12] I mean N7 LTE runs UT [12:13] @Stereofont, 👍 [12:16] 2012 N7 is useless [12:20] @Stereofont, How can you tell whether a Nexus 7 is from 2012, 2013 or even 2017? [12:21] It is in the build information [12:22] On EBay may not be reliable [12:23] There are 2012, Wifi and LTE [12:40] @KrisJacewicz Hello man, I wanted to know if there is any chance to install Synergy without libertine container (I have the N5 where libertine doesnt work) so I can use it to control stuff server-client side [12:41] well, I guess you saw me running Synergy on my phone, so I didn't use libertine, I don't even have libertine installed, so yes [12:41] Yeah I saw it [12:41] but with xfce lol [12:41] however, I did use chroot, for a simple reason that Synergy does not knwo mir and can't intgrate with it [12:41] yes xfce, also with mate [12:41] ok I understand [12:42] so step by step [12:42] I want to do it with 1.8.8 [12:42] I will have to build the binaries? [12:42] yes and also there are some problems that I had to take care of (will soon publish everything on my blog), like the mouse cursor would not be visible at all [12:43] @malditobastardo, yes, unless you know where to download binareis from ;) [12:43] ok I better just wait for you :) [12:43] Actually there is a page [12:43] I will publish this either next weekend or the one after. Becasue I have a biztrip coming up to China again and not sure how it will fuck up my schedule [12:43] https://www.brahma.world/synergy-stable-builds/ [12:44] then you can just get compiled version [12:44] I understand. But this will mean running without a gui right? [12:45] ah yes, I did not run synergy with gui on ARM, because I was building from sources and gui was not included. I will make simple GUI for this in ATU app though. [12:46] Great, thank you a lot [12:46] and yeah, I am running without the gui too in the pi3 [12:47] yes I have my amd64 Ubuntu laptop, my pi3 and my 2 UT phones all setup as one wide desktop (4 devices) with Synergy :D [12:48] pffff [12:48] exactly that is what I want to do lol [12:48] Thank you Kris [12:48] I will wait for your blog update [12:48] :) [12:56] the synergy is especially great when you use Nexus5 with slimport to display desktop on an external monitor. And in that situation running XFCE or Mate is really super nice, especially if you also are running mate on pi [12:56] and since synergy can also be mixed with Windows and OSX, so it's yet another alternative to converged experience [12:58] the shared clipboard is really an awesome feature, you copy/paste content between your synergy-connected devices, and you can browse on laptop with plenty of RAM, than copy/paste code (or whatever you need) to the UT and run there [13:04] I see, thats awesome [13:04] the only issue is that its only for 2.0 hehe [13:04] it would be great to have someting like that implemented in ATU :P [13:05] Fwd from DanChapman: Finally got around to doing it https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/libertine-scope.ubuntu 😊 [13:22] @nanu_c, That's a bug, it's been fixed but the launchpad build servers have been down for a while so the fix hasn't been able to get into the ppa yet. To get around that just run `clickable -S `. The serial number in your case is UA000784 [13:25] @bhdouglass, Or you can download the latest version from GitHub: https://github.com/bhdouglass/clickable/releases/tag/v3.0.0 [15:05] Well, I replace Kali nethunter with Ubuntu Touch and did sysbench, unfortune result, Ubuntu touch slower. [15:05] ``` [15:06] KALI NETHUNTER … VS UBUNTU TOUCH … sysbench --num-threads=1 --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=2000 run … 13.5117s … 17.2388s … sysbench --num-threads=2 --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=2000 run … 6.8304s … 9.2018s … Maximum prime number checked in CPU test: 2000 … 3.4598s … 4.6580s … sysbench --num-threads=8 --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=2000 run … 3.4469s … 4.4559s … sysbench --test=memory --memory-block-size=1M --memory-total [15:06] 1750.02 ops/sec … sysbench --test=memory --memory-block-size=1M --memory-total-size=512M run … 2666.44 MB/sec … 2574.93 MB/sec [15:08] huh [15:13] @Stereofont, I don't think it has voice support. Only data [15:15] @KrisJacewicz, On osx? That's not how to do things there. [15:16] @dmitrywolf, That is a pretty serious bug. Please open an issue on gh if you haven't already [15:17] @dohbee, off course I did not meant osx, the installer can hacve a conditional directive to choose gksudo on linux, or even just ceck if /usr/bin/gksudo is available, and use it then only, that will compile also on osx [15:17]