[02:46] <jk^> i'm trying to download tor browser by lubuntu software center, it downloads and install all packages, but when i open tor browser it ask me to download the software, at the signature verification, it says me there is an error
[02:46] <tsimonq2> Maybe try in #ubuntu for this one :)
[02:49] <jk^> ok
[02:49] <jk^> :)
[02:49] <wxl> jk^: two things: 1. lubuntu software center is deprecated 2. i'd advise you to get tor from tor proper.
[02:50] <jk^> what's tor proper?
[02:50] <wxl> https://www.torproject.org/
[02:51] <wxl> there's no real reason to use package management. if you have a copy and you run it, it will check itself for updates
[02:51] <wxl> the other advantage being that you can verify it yourself and remove the likelihood it was modified at all
[02:53] <wxl> they also do publish their own repos https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
[02:53] <wxl> but you're fine just downloading the tarball
[03:00] <jk^> how to do a screenshot of active window?
[03:01] <jk^> i did a screenshot, i opened it in mtPaint, make my selection and cut it, after i open a new empty file in it, but i can't paste the cutted image :\
[03:02] <wxl> jk^: honestly, can't help you. mtpaint drives me insane XD
[03:02] <jk^> the command for screenshot of active window?
[03:03] <wxl> scrot is how you do screenshots
[03:03] <wxl> scrot -u for currently focused window
[03:04] <jk^> -u?
[03:04] <jk^> what means?
[03:04] <wxl> if you do `man scrot` in the terminal you'll see everything
[03:04] <wxl> -u tells scrot to use the currently focused window
[03:05] <wxl> i usually use -s which allows me to select an area of my choosing
[03:05] <jk^> ohhhh i hate terminal :\
[03:06] <jk^> shortcuts
[03:06] <jk^> gui way :\
[03:06] <jk^> i'm so bad at pc, that's why i prefere gui way
[03:07] <wxl> that's what we have available. there's other options out there but they're not lightweight
[03:09] <jk^> i can have a screenshot
[03:09] <jk^> i remembere there is a way to have just active windows
[03:09] <jk^> :\
[03:09] <jk^> mmmhhh
[03:09] <jk^> stamp+?
[03:09] <wxl> gui options included shutter, xfce4-screenshooter
[03:11] <jk^> shutter is the xubuntu's app for screenshots?
[03:12] <wxl> nope
[03:12] <wxl> it's a separate thing
[03:12] <wxl> the second one i mentioned is xubuntu's
[03:16] <jk^> mmmhh ok
[03:16] <jk^> can i install xfce4-screenshooter on lubuntu? or is it just for xubuntu?
[03:17] <wxl> you can use either one
[03:18] <jk^> :-o
[03:19] <jk^> i remember there was an additional button to hold while pressing "Stamp"
[03:19] <jk^> to copy in clipboard just active windows :\
[03:20] <wxl> not in default lubuntu no
[03:20] <jk^> ok
[03:22] <jk^> SIGNATURE VERIFICATION FAILED: You might be under attack, or there might just be a networking problem. Click start, try the download again.
[03:23] <wxl> what is this in relation to?
[04:10] <fishcooker> what's keybinding setting for al+space ... my lxqt-rc suddenly don't permit the keybinding
[04:10] <fishcooker> so i have to use mouse to resize and move the windows
[04:23] <Sveta> hi jk^
[04:24] <jk^> hi
[04:24] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/HDnX7YZ0
[04:25] <jk^> Sveta,
[04:25] <Sveta> ok
[04:25] <Sveta> click start, system tools, find your software center
[04:26] <jk^> ok
[04:26] <jk^> done
[04:27] <Sveta> in the software center, click 'preferences' or 'show sources' button in the menu, i do not know what it is called
[04:27] <Sveta> somewhere it lists the repositories that it is using
[04:28] <jk^> done
[04:28] <jk^> Sveta,
[04:28] <Sveta> what sources is it using? what does it say?
[04:29] <jk^> main, multiverse, restricted and universe are all selected
[04:30] <Sveta> does it have a 'other software' tab or a button to add a new source?
[04:30] <jk^> yes, it has
[04:30] <jk^> yes, it does
[04:30] <Sveta> ok let's add source
[04:30] <jk^> excuse for my english
[04:31] <jk^> ok
[04:31] <Sveta> when you add a new source, what does it ask?
[04:31] <Sveta> upload screenshot to www.imgur.com
[04:34] <jk^> "Enter complete APT line of the repository to add as source" - "The APT line include the type/kind, the position, and the repository's components for example: <<deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial main»"
[04:34] <Sveta> ok
[04:35] <Sveta> do you have a text editor, like gedit?
[04:37] <jk^> i don't know what's gedit
[04:38] <Sveta> wait a moment
[04:38] <Sveta> click 'start', 'accessories', do you see a text editor there? something that can open text files
[04:41] <jk^> ok
[04:43] <jk^> leafpad
[04:43] <jk^> Sveta,
[04:44] <fishcooker> jk^: what's the command to compile the output like https://pastebin.com/raw/HDnX7YZ0 ?
[04:45] <jk^> fishcooker, no command
[04:45] <jk^> gui way
[04:45] <jk^> System tool->System profiler and benchmark
[04:45] <Sveta> jk^: leafpad is good
[04:45] <Sveta> jk^: in leafpad, click 'file', 'open', and open /etc/issue
[04:46] <Sveta> jk^: let me know whether that file exists. if it does, then what does it say
[04:48] <fishcooker> Sveta what will happen when you press Alt + space on your environment ?
[04:48] <fishcooker> last successful i will get menu window options
[04:48] <jk^> no
[04:48] <jk^> there isn't any "issues" folder
[04:49] <Sveta> jk^: it is a file not a folder, singular (issue, not issues)
[04:49] <jk^> ok
[04:49] <jk^> two files: issue and issue.net
[04:50] <Sveta> issue
[04:50] <jk^> ok i opened it
[04:50] <jk^> it is written inside it: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS \n \l
[04:51] <jk^> Sveta,
[04:52] <Sveta> ok thanks, give me a minute
[04:53] <Sveta> go back to your software center
[04:53] <Sveta> add the source «deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org xenial main»
[04:57] <jk^> with or without << >>?
[04:58] <jk^> site tells to enter two lines: You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/:
[04:58] <jk^> deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org xenial main
[04:58] <jk^> deb-src http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org xenial main
[04:58] <Sveta> without
[04:58] <jk^> Sveta,
[04:58] <Sveta> forget about the deb-src for now
[04:58] <jk^> what means? deb-src?
[04:59] <Sveta> it gives you access to «apt-get source tor», to download source code of the package
[04:59] <Sveta> i think software center will figure it out
[05:00] <Sveta> the lines are very similar; just use the first line
[05:01] <jk^> done
[05:01] <jk^> now there are 2 items: 1) http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org xenial main
[05:01] <jk^> and 2) http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org xenial main (source code)
[05:02] <jk^> but just the first one is selected
[05:02] <jk^> sveta
[05:02] <Sveta> ok good
[05:02] <Sveta> click ok, click update
[05:04] <jk^> there's no "OK"
[05:04] <jk^> and there's no "Update"
[05:05] <jk^> has the second one i listed remain unselected?
[05:06] <Sveta> this is ok
[05:06] <jk^> :\ i don't understand
[05:06] <jk^> there's no ok button
[05:06] <jk^> and even update button
[05:06] <jk^> there isn't
[05:07] <Sveta> the dialog where you added the source - just close it and open it again
[05:07] <Sveta> check that the source is still there
[05:08] <jk^> ok
[05:08] <jk^> i closed it
[05:08] <jk^> it ask me to reload because there are added new sources
[05:09] <Sveta> yes, please do this
[05:09] <jk^> i did it
[05:09] <Sveta> find and install the 'tor' package
[05:14] <jk^> i just don't understand: 1) http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org xenial main 2) http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org xenial main (source code)
[05:14] <Sveta> it is good
[05:14] <Sveta> #1 is the program, #2 is its source code
[05:14] <jk^> have the 2) (second one) to be selected or unselected?
[05:14] <Sveta> select them both
[05:15] <jk^> ah ok
[05:15] <jk^> before i left the second one unselected
[05:15] <jk^> what is "source code"? :\
[05:16] <jk^> Sveta,
[05:16] <Sveta> it is what the programmer wrote in C
[05:17] <jk^> mmmhhdd
[05:17] <jk^> and do i need it?
[05:17] <Sveta> yes you can keep it
[05:18] <Sveta> it does not mean you keep tor source code. you just keep a link to it
[05:18] <Sveta> "deb-src http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org" is a link
[05:18] <Sveta> it is there just for your reference, in case you need it later
[05:19] <Sveta> some people use it for troubleshooting and fixing bugs
[05:27] <jk^> ok Sveta in the "Internet" menu it appears 2 items: "Tor browser" and "Tor browser launcher settings", i don't know what the second one is for
[05:29] <Sveta> tor browser launcher is a button that opens tor browser when clicked
[05:30] <Sveta> a launcher is a "open this app" button
[05:30] <Sveta> you can use "Tor browser launcher settings" to change this button settings
[05:35] <jk^> Sveta,  :(
[05:35] <Sveta> hmm
[05:35] <jk^> so much work for nothing
[05:35] <jk^> same errore like before
[05:35] <Sveta> did you install 'tor'
[05:36] <jk^> yes i did
[05:36] <jk^> lubuntu software center->Internet->Tor
[05:36] <Sveta> ok, now install `deb.torproject.org-keyring` please
[05:36] <Sveta> you can use the search box at the right top to find this package
[05:36] <wxl> and don't use lubuntu software center :/
[05:36] <jk^> how to install deb.torproject.org-keyring
[05:36] <jk^> ?
[05:37] <Sveta> use the search box at the right top of the software center window
[05:37] <Sveta> wxl: why not? we are in #lubuntu
[05:37] <wxl> it hasn't been maintained in a long time
[05:37] <wxl> there's a reason it's not a part of lubuntu anymore
[05:38] <Sveta> wxl: jk^ uses ubuntu 16.04.3, it is there, it does not have a 'obsolete' label on it
[05:38] <wxl> you're welcome to use it but ymmv
[05:38] <wxl> i wouldn't bother
[05:38] <Sveta> wxl: the newer tool is synaptic, or something else?
[05:39] <wxl> gnome-software
[05:39] <wxl> synaptic works, too
[05:39] <jk^> when i click "Tor browser" it download it and during signature verifying it show me that message
[05:40] <jk^> SIGNATURE VERIFICATION FAILED: You might be under attack, or there might just be a networking problem. Click start, try the download again.
[05:40] <Sveta> jk^: you installed `deb.torproject.org-keyring` already, right?
[05:41] <jk^> how to install it?
[05:41] <jk^> :\
[05:41] <jk^> Sveta, ?
[05:41] <Sveta> jk^: type deb.torproject.org-keyring in your software center search box
[05:41] <Sveta> wxl: understood. would be nice to maintain it, without using alien gui toolkit tools :). will try to switch to one of these two tools as a next task
[05:42] <jk^> nothing appears Sveta
[05:42] <wxl> i note this is a tor-specific error
[05:42] <jk^> i have to search it in package manager? or in software center?
[05:42] <Sveta> wxl: ok, what happens if you use «sudo apt install deb.torproject.org-keyring» in a terminal?
[05:43] <wxl> whhy don't you just do what i said and download tor from the actual project?
[05:43] <Sveta> wxl: following  https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en like ubottu said
[05:43] <Sveta> wxl: tor browser itself is not a package
[05:43] <wxl> i already have it installed so it's pointless
[05:44] <wxl> i'm talking about downloading from the tor project
[05:44] <wxl> you download, you unzip it, you run it. done.
[05:44] <Sveta> wxl: downloading tor from their repository, and downloading tor browser as archive file
[05:44] <wxl> no
[05:44] <Sveta> wxl: tor is already installed in this manner, the next step is downloading tor browser as archive file
[05:44] <wxl> https://www.torproject.org/
[05:44] <wxl> click download
[05:45] <wxl> after it's downloaded, unzip, go into the directory
[05:45] <wxl> ./start-tor-browser.desktop
[05:45] <wxl> done
[05:45] <Sveta> jk^: you can do this
[05:46] <Sveta> wxl: i did not know they provide single download for tor and tor browser in one archive
[05:46] <wxl> it's been quite a while
[05:46] <JohnDoe_71Rus> tor browser work without installed tor
[05:47] <jk^> mmmmhh :\
[05:47] <jk^> i downloaded the archive
[05:47] <jk^> it include a "Tor browser setup" file
[05:48] <Sveta> you downloaded the archive
[05:48] <Sveta> now you need to unzip it, do not just look inside
[05:48] <Sveta> after you extract the archive, check whether start-tor-browser.desktop file is present
[05:48] <jk^> no, it isn.t
[05:49] <Sveta> what archive did you download? do you have a link?
[05:50] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
[05:50] <jk^> https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/7.0.11/tor-browser-linux32-7.0.11_en-US.tar.xz
[05:51] <Sveta> thanks, checking
[05:51] <jk^> it lets me download it
[05:52] <Sveta> jk^, in the tor-browser_en-US directory, there is a start-tor-browser.desktop file inside
[05:53] <jk^> i found keyring
[05:53] <jk^> but it show me a warning
[05:53] <Sveta> it is not clear to me what you are doing
[05:53] <Sveta> you need to find the start-tor-browser.desktop file first
[05:54] <JohnDoe_71Rus> at the tor browser page scroll to Linux Instructions
[05:54] <jk^> i'm talking about the previous thing
 jk^: you installed `deb.torproject.org-keyring` already, right?
[05:54] <JohnDoe_71Rus> 1 download
[05:54] <jk^> now i found it
[05:54] <Sveta> ok
[05:54] <jk^> when i try to install it
[05:54] <JohnDoe_71Rus> 2 unpack
[05:54] <jk^> it show me a warning
[05:54] <Sveta> jk^: ignore that warning
[05:55] <Sveta> jk^: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en has two gpg commands to run, i unfortunately do not know their gui alternative
[05:55] <Sveta> jk^: and we are trying to skip this step now, because wxl said it is not needed
[05:56] <jk^> "You're installing a software that can't be authenticated/certified
[05:56] <Sveta> jk^: just close software center, we are trying to proceed without it
[05:57] <Sveta> jk^: unpack tor-browser-linux32-7.0.11_en-US.tar.xz
[05:57] <Sveta> jk^: it creates directory called 'tor-browser_en-US'
[05:57] <Sveta> jk^: where there is a 'start-tor-browser.desktop' file inside
[05:57] <Sveta> jk^: double click 'start-tor-browser.desktop'
[05:58] <jk^> Continuing, you can allow that ill-intentioned users can damage system or take its control
[05:59] <Sveta> jk^: it's time for me to walk home and have dinner, i'll be back tomorrow
[05:59] <Sveta> jk^: meanwhile please be patient, give people time to respond
[06:02] <jk^> ok
[06:02] <jk^> there is a file "start-tor-browser"
[06:02] <jk^> it tells me that it's an executable script
[06:03] <Sveta> jk^: that's ok
[06:04] <jk^> 1) run 2) run in terminal 3) Open 4) cancel
[06:04] <jk^> :-o
[06:04] <jk^> i don't know what i have to do
[06:04] <jk^> Sveta,
[06:04] <Sveta> run
[06:06] <jk^> Sveta, nothing happens
[06:06] <Sveta> then choose 'run in terminal'
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> jk^: what are you trying to do this time?
[06:06] <Sveta> install tor-browser
[06:07] <dax> from the .zip from the website, specifically
[06:07] <dax> .tar.xz *
[06:07] <dax> anyway, if it won't run with the run button, "run in terminal" might give some sort of useful error i guess
[06:07] <Sveta> yes we are using https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/7.0.11/tor-browser-linux32-7.0.11_en-US.tar.xz
[06:08] <Sveta> thanks for hopping in, lotuspsychje, dax; good luck to you all and jk^ in particular
[06:09] <jk^> thanks a lot for your disposability and kindness
[06:09] <jk^> thanks a lot Sveta
[06:09] <jk^> i will try again, later
[06:09] <jk^> but in your link and in factoid is deprecated install tor by official site
[06:10] <jk^> there are some disadvantages
[06:10] <jk^> The "download" link at the top of the torproject home page takes us to the easy downloads. These easy downloads include an archive in .tar.gz format. This package requires no installation. Just extract it and run. Advantages: it is already compiled. Disadvantages: it is not in your PATH ('tor' is not defined as a command in terminal or application launchers); update facilities are not available and you must update it manually any time
[06:10] <jk^> tor browser or tor have a new release The "download all" link at the buttom of the 'easy download' page takes us to the all downloads. This does not have much benefit (windows and mac downloads are provided). The tor browser install instructions are similar to the ones above as well and only provide a .tar.gz archive that runs without install.
[06:11] <jk^> http://www.webdevout.net/test?01w&raw
[11:13] <Shawn|C2Duo> anyone here successful with kodi on an external display in fullscreen?
[11:14] <Shawn|C2Duo> when I have my projector hooked up for running kodi on it, it refuses to use the external display
[12:58] <jk^> why doesn't the button to show the desktop in one click work well?
[12:59] <jk^> many and many time i have to click it two times
[13:07] <jk^> can u listen to the music at this link: http://www.virginradio.it/sezioni/1219/virgin-radio-rock-classic
[13:07] <jk^> it doesn't load well the player
[13:07] <jk^> music player
[17:31] <fishcooker> 2 days ago i can suspend the box, but today i can't hwo to solve this?
[22:15] <jk^> Why when i minimize all windows by one-click button, many and many time, it doesn't make the operation at the first click?