 BTW, are there plans for ANBOX on BQ M10?
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/rqbTAwso/file_3650.jpg
 Yes.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0300alOe/file_3651.mp4
 .,
 hello world
 @malditobastardo, The ports are making progress but since they will be made for 16.04 all eyes are on the progress of this update :)
 it's Halium
 not Helium
 I waiting for port on xiaomi mido
 @iHusky, Im also waiting for rolex device
 Make a Patreon tier adjustment so that we can fund the Ubports team to drink all the energy drinks, coffee and miscellaneous caffeine they need, giving us stable Xenial and Anbox by March :)
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 https://t.me/ubports/94196
 @iHusky, I don't think anyone is working on that device
 @Riojhe, What you need is a rich benefactor 😂
 I want to join your organization:   https://github.com/ubports
 my github:  github.com/rekols
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 i have a BQ 4.5 i can play around with as much as i want (except for simcards, don't have one that fits) - do you guys need a tester on that device?
 @rogieroudshoorn, Is there a danger that we will skew testing by revealing the faults of old hardware, rather than problems with the software?
 What I mean is that testers will disproportionately follow Rogier's logic, while devices like N4 and BQ are gradually falling off the radar and are the least representative for the future?
 heh, only offered to help ;)
 but i guess core devices ought to be tested more extensively
 @rogieroudshoorn, Sorry. I didn't mean to be rude. I was making a scientific point
 Any testing is worthwhile in my opinion. Between the n4 and e4.5 it's a good reference for running on lower powered devices. If you can make your apps responsive on them then that can can only be good right?
 If it is a choice between optimising for devices of the past or devices of the future, I think we should choose the latter. Maybe that is a false dichotomy though? As you say Dan, if it will run on slow hardware, it should fun even better on fast hardware?
 NBR yarram
 not everything depends on the device - bugs in apps will probably show up everywhere
 so testing on any device (or, as marius said during last update, even on the desktop version) will help
 but still, i'd reckon that core devices need more thorough testing
 I see it as catering for all areas of the market. Yes it's great to move forward using mid/high tier power houses, but with them it's easy to discard or put off optimising your code for the lower tier if you aren't actively testing on them. We don't want to exclude any low tier devices if there is a possibility it can be ported to.
 Should we weight the outcome of testing? Treat 4 x BQ 4.5 as equivalent to 1 x OPO?
 why would you?
 No just treat each bug report as a potential bug.
 @DanChapman, There are maybe two categories here. Low tier because old and lie tier because new but budget?
 Yes both of those.
 @rogieroudshoorn, Maybe I am overthinking it. I am concerned about designing to fit hardware that no longer exists by the time the software is fit for purpose
 i think the team is currently focused on getting the software as supported as possible by upstream
 newer features such as anbox will probably only be available for core devices anyway
 i haven't really heard anything about adding more or newer core devices - i guess we'll need 16.04 & halium stable first
 (and i'll probably buy a supported flagship right away)
 @rogieroudshoorn, Seems like OP3 and OP3T quite soon but others a lot more nebulous
 Stats of N4 and BQ4.5 over time would be interesting
 Attrition of N4 seems to be quite high, anecdotally?
 @Stereofont, Do you have a source? :)
 still last years model without cabled convergence :(
 @Callie_Cacophony, Marius G said about six weeks ago that he needs to find time to finish and publish those ports
 @rogieroudshoorn, Marius showed an HTC 10 some time ago, I believe it's quite powerful and supports MHL/slimport...hopefully it'll be officially supported, I might get one :D
 16.04 established well on stable and evolving dynamically will attract more attention and lead to more porting
 @Javacookies, Probably at least one outlier too, such as a Xiaomi. So, realistically four new high powered beast on the horizon
 The unkown is whether a new, budget option will emerge in 2018
 all I want is a very powerful, highly specced...but cheap Ubuntu phone :P
 @Javacookies, With a built in espresso machine 😎
 Did somebody say espresso?
 What else?
 A 6KW, three-phase phone
 Ugg how do we report an app that should be removed from the OpenStore.. The 'Signal' app is not official and it will DE-REGISTER your other devices from signal if it uses the same phone number! This is not how it should work. It should appear as a linked device especially as Ubports is not restricted to just phones..
 Are you using a tablet @alexi? The signal app is a port of the messenger and not Signal Desktop. … It might be useful for them to make that explicit to prevent deregistration but it doesn't need to be removed from the OpenStore. On the contrary I hope it continues and thrives.
 Well given that bother the desktop and app are open code, I have built my own signal app for my phone and friends who don't do google, it shoudl exhibi thte same behaviour.
 It doesn't sync yet. It is just a fix of the old Text-Secure app
 Yeah.. so beta quality at best.. should be up there with warnings..
 @AlexiPistonrod, Fair
 I got a nasty shock when it deregisterted my phone AND my desktop signal at the same time.
 You've built it on Android ot ported it for your own use on UT?
 Just built it for android..  not inot porting atm.
 @AlexiPistonrod, Makes sense for you to co-maintain that project?
 If I was not putting out other fires maybe I would ;) But only switched on my tablet today after about 3 weeks. Just saw the icon and though cool. . maybeth icons should be revised..
 aha. Maybe post a bug report? https://github.com/nanu-c/textsecure-qml/issues … the app is under development and I'm sure teh dev would be open to helpful suggestions.
 Sure can do that.
 👍
 @Stereofont, It's a tough discussion. In my situation, my N4 just died - pretty old now.  And... there really isn't a flagship new device that I can order or force my mom to order.  So, yesterday I would have said 'support older devices' but after my N4 died, now I need at least one new device to recommend. :(  This is why I believe a hard push for Halium solves our pain...
 Hi all, I bought a n5 and I'm going to install ut on it this evening. now I have an e4.5 and I want to move all my data from the bq to the lg: is it enough to copy the `.local` and `.config` folders from the home?
 I need some help here. I am using my OPO as my daily driver with OTA 3, my Nexus 5 is trying out 16.04/devel, which works fine, but when I try to go from UBPorts OTA 3 to 16.04/devel on my Pro 5 it refuses to enter recovery. I have tried two different cables, but same thing. Any clues?
 @Michele, yes but I think there could be conflicts if you simply copy the whole directories, I suggest you pick only the apps you want and just re-setup the system settings/accounts, also if you want to retain wifi networks, it's in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections … then for terminal history, /home/phablet/.bash_history ;)
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 yay
 Thanks @wayneoutthere
 @bhushanshah, you're supposed to fight me!
 we seem to be agreeing too much lately
 By the way... halium is important
 @wayneoutthere, lol
 @Javacookies, which type of conflicts? I won't have any data/config in the n5...
 oh, and I have to reinstall all the apps of course, right?
 yup you have to reinstall....I can't give an exact example but I remember having some issues before when I tried that......well I suggest you wait for some other more expert people here … I could be wrong :P
 ok. thanks for your advices @Javacookies
[15:27] <tgBot3> Camblu was added by: Camblu
 @wayneoutthere, It's a pretty easy decision. You cannot optimize for something which does not yet exist. To claim otherwise is folly.
 @TomasOqvist, I have tried both UBPorts Installer and ubuntu-device-flash with wipe option, but to no avail.
 @dohbee, sorry, I meant something 'current but in existence' not 'prototype' (like Ubuntu Edge)
 example One plus 5T
 Even so
 claiming old devices are not worthwhile is nonsense. they're the only devices which ubports runs on
 and the whole point of unity8 and convergence is that screen size doesn't matter, you build things with grid units and each device has a different number of pixels per grid unit, based on dpi
 and if you optimize something to be fast on an old 4 core 32-bit device with 1 GB RAM, think of how fast it might be on an 8+ core 64-bit device with 4-6 GB
 @Camblu, Hello Camblu. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @dohbee, Definitely that is not my position.  I agree completely for many reasons that keeping old devices alive and awesome is good.  My only point is that we should have *one* modern, super power kick butt device that works well with UT for those who want to 'future proof' themselves a bit.
[17:27] <tgBot3> <Owen Roe> So is there going to be another goal past $2500 on patreon?
 @dohbee, That is the point I couldn't get my head around. Does designing to the lowest common denominator device hold everything else back or does the additional effort of optimising have benefits right up the chain?
 @Stereofont, If Developers would apply care from the beginning then this is no additional effort. Use profiling tools and increase system load. Dont give the latest hardware to a dev :)
 @Stereofont, While trickle-down economics very much does not work, trickle-up optimizations do in fact
 @dohbee, Lol indeed
 Like in game design, the get beta GPUs but the older PCs will show the game in awful rendering
 The = they
 @dohbee, Agree strongly on the first. Thank you for your answer on the second. I had no insight into how it might work in practice
 besides, you don't necessarily want the highest powered device to be the face of things. it would be way better to have more ethical devices at the forefront
 ie, the FP2 and Purism Librem 5 aren't particularly powerful, but they are going to be the two most ethical
 Maintaining the life of devices is an ethical plus for sure. Though eventually they just break. Also many people in practice do jump to the shiny and new, so the proportion of older devices in use can shrink that way too
 well sure, sort of
 there's only so much "ethical" you can build on top of things built from slave labor in poisonous mining operations
 FP2 does try to tread a middle way on technological advance of course
 new phones break just as often
 but really, to "optimize" unity8 is probably going to take a lot of work nobody has time for
[18:05] <tgBot3> <Wouter Jansen> In episode 35 of the Linux Action News. They also talk about ubports. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT3X5aDkuLE&sns=em
 With this talk about how the Signal app signs you out of other clients, that's a problem true. But, does it permit you to sign in on multiple UT devices using this same Signal client? Could I share my account that way say between my Pro 5 and M10?
 it depends on how you sign in
 i don't know if the client in question allows logging in without phone number
 @Stereofont, This for me is a no-brainer: Optimise for the weakest phone, and the more powerful one will be a veritable Death Star.
 This is why I use Lububtu gui on desktop. I get every drop of juice and save energy, even if I have the latest and greatest hardware. It's common sense
 Someone will have to test it I guess.
 @dohbee, No, that is not possible
 Fwd from nanu_c: This is how signal works, you have one identity on your phone and then you can connect the desktop with that identity. If the identity changes, the desktop can't sync either.
 Fwd from nanu_c: So desktop signal is only working on android
 Fwd from nanu_c: So when your identity changes you have to resync always. Unfortunally the process of syncing the desktop is only documented in the signal app for android and I havn't looked into that
 If you are not subscribed to the News Channel, a brand new Ubuntu Touch Audiocast has been dropped.  Just click the news feed subscription and enjoy: https://t.me/ubports_news
 Nanu/Aaron is the developer of UT Signal app
 https://freedom.press/news/signal-beginners/
 hey, I saw here https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-nexus-5 is linked MDT, but @mariusquabeck said ut support will be dropped, so I think that link should be removed (now or soon)
[20:44] <tgBot3> tiagopires was added by: tiagopires
 @tiagopires, Hello Tiago and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[21:03] <tgBot3> Finn Riordan was added by: Finn Riordan
 hi Finn
[21:05] <tgBot3> <Finn Riordan> Hello
 @per_sonne, +1 for saving energy and natural resources.
 Hi Finn! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @lduboeuf, Battery lasts longer, you get more processing power out of it...coding for top hardware is just lazy. It allows for dirty, messy, unelegant and inefficient code. Like swiping dirt under the rug, paint over stains and pretend it's great.
 A turd is a turd.
 Hi i have a small quiestion i can buy a second hand Meizu pro 5 Ubuntu Edition would this device supported in the future?
 yes, the pro 5 ubuntu edition is supported by ubports
 you may need to reflash with ubports image, but there are several people using it today
 @dohbee, Ok and this will be also into the future ?
 you can see https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 yes, afaik
 @per_sonne, +1
 Thanks guys
[22:12] <tgBot3> <Dave S> Anyone know why wifi hasn't been working on the last few versions of 16.04 on Nexus 5 since at least r186?
 @wayneoutthere I have to say, you are 100% correct about the idea of anbox! :)
 (listening to the audiocast)
[22:25] <tgBot3> Sailor37 was added by: Sailor37
 Welcome @Sailor37! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get started, please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 Hi! Where i can get app list of OpenStore? Im not ubuntu touch yet, but i wanna.
 @Sailor37, That's dead simple! https://open.uappexplorer.com/
 Remember that we are still growing and some of the apps might still be on the way to get really stable, but personally, it's really impressive for me already how far we've come in the short time
 It was interesting view the web link in the app OpenStore.
 @Dave S, I've been wondering this too. I'm on 187.
 @Dave S, I don't know, but I heard about it and that it's known and worked on already
 @peternerlich, Tnx!
[22:38] <tgBot3> Yurii was added by: Sailor37
 @Sailor37, Feel free to come ask for support in the Newcomers Rome anytime, when you decide to install UT!
 @Javacookies, is there anything else I should/could backup?
 Hello Yurii! Same for you, please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for the most important information and feel free to ask any question you have!
 What is the main goal of ubports now?
 Freeing devices of Android
 @dohbee, Lol
 @dohbee, But this is the goal of Halium?
 These are not separate projects
 Halium is not an OS
 @dohbee, It will still take a lot of development until I can use an UBports device as my main device. We need more apps, but I see it makes progress.