[05:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> morning sveta
[06:03] <Sveta> good morning, i'm speaking with jk^ on #lubuntu, it's an engaging conversation, but they need a lot of hand holding; i'd like to walk home and have a dinner
[06:04] <Sveta> turns out installing 'tor' in package manager is not necessary, they need to download https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/7.0.11/tor-browser-linux32-7.0.11_en-US.tar.xz and run the ./tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop script
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah jk pretty noobish, trying all kind of weird stuff
[06:04] <Sveta> also turns out `lubuntu software center` is obsoleted
[06:04] <Sveta> they have ubuntu 16.04.3
[06:05] <Sveta> would be nice if you joined in, if you have a desire to hand hold
[06:05] <Sveta> they would really appreciate it if you did :-)
 there is a file "start-tor-browser" <jk^> it tells me that it's an executable script <jk^> 1) run 2) run in terminal 3) Open 4) cancel <jk^> i don't know what i have to do <Sveta> run <jk^> Sveta, nothing happens
[06:06] <Sveta> this is our last bit
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> oh no, combine noob with tor..
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> not sure i want this lol
[06:07] <Sveta> just imagine you wanted to have tor-browser running
[06:07] <alkisg> Good morning all
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg dax
[06:07] <dax> moin
[06:08] <dax> lotuspsychje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown got updated since you were last online
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> lets c dax
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> neat dax
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> tnx 4 headsup
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> dax: so just update systems will do right
[06:10] <dax> once packages are released, yes
[06:11] <dax> they're in a testing PPA right now, and they're focusing on meltdown and amd64 first
[06:11] <dax> spectre and other architectures to come later
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
[06:11] <dax> so i guess for now the only change for #ubuntu is "packages are in testing right now and should be released by the 9th"
[06:12] <dax> and throw them that link if they want more info
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> dax: bionic alpha has also been pushed to the future, due meltdown i read
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> dax: roger
[06:12] <dax> yeah, i saw too. they're also scrambling to get a fixed 17.10 out the door before 17.04 goes EOL, so not the best time to have an alpha
[06:13] <dax> if anyone gets bored and wants to help test that, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/385/builds is up
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> good bionic is pretty stable already :p
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> and our firefox version wasnt affected on meltdown neither
[06:15] <dax> i haven't seen the crashes you reported in LP bug 1741598 by the way
[06:15] <dax> (i don't have a laptop with bionic, so can't test the touchpad one)
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> allrighty tnx 4 trying
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> cant reproduce the plymouth one, so might not be important
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> and i have a feeling that touchpad click might be on purpose for gnome?
[06:17] <dax> no idea. seems kinda weird if so
[06:17] <dax> though i find gdm3 weird in general
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> im testing chromium on bionic and its very resposnive
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: gonna work on that 12.04 box today?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> wb EriC^^
[06:21] <EriC^^> thx lotuspsychje
[06:22] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: it turns out it was the older rotational hdd, it lags a whole lot without errors, so we put it to a usb case, pulled /etc/passwd out of it (took a few minutes to copy!) and I clean installed 16.04
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> !yay | alkisg
[06:22] <alkisg> :)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: could not have been our pro 850 :p
[06:22] <alkisg> Hehe, glad it wasn't that!
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: ive been reading an article about ssd death times 24/7 hammering them
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: and the 850 pro holded longer then promised
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> i also heared it once from a server guy
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> almost unwreckable
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> and 10y warranty
[07:03] <ducasse> good morning all
[07:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:11] <EriC^^> morning ducasse o/
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse lordievader
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> you guys survived the weekend :p
[07:12] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> bbl work
[09:09] <alkisg> If I want to buy a new intel cpu, can I buy something that won't have the meltdown/spectre performance impact?
[11:17] <Ben64> alkisg: no
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:55] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw :-)
[12:00] <alkisg> ty Ben64, I'll wait a few months then for purchases :D
[12:32] <Ben64> alkisg: years maybe
[13:47] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)
[14:01] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[14:02] <EriC^^> how are you?
[14:39] <pauljw> doing fine EriC^^, thanks.  how are you today?
[15:06] <EriC^^> pauljw: good thanks :)
[19:26] <nicomachus> interesting script that tells you what you probably already know: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
[19:27]  * nacc waits for github to get exploited and that page to then exploit the world :-P
[19:27] <nicomachus> heh
[19:28] <nicomachus> that'll teach all these "developers" to quit cloning repos and running scripts without reading them first
[19:31] <nacc> *cough* is it rude to say that web developers aren't programmers :)
[19:31] <nacc> (I know some are, it's just my gut instinctive response)
[19:31] <daftykins> nope, totally agree
[19:31] <daftykins> i also call it fake IT :D
[19:31] <nacc> and also ... who *wants* to learn javascript?? :)
[19:35] <nicomachus> I mean, I'd like to have an understanding of it.
[19:35] <nacc> nicomachus: right, but also, very little of JS is written anymore
[19:35] <nacc> it's all generated by frameworks
[19:35] <nacc> writing actual JS is an incredible PITA
[19:35] <nacc> because browser engines are randomly different :)
[20:25] <Zahovay> Hello, I am not sure if I am at the right place, I would like to become an ubuntu developer. I am 22, learning programming at university (2nd of 3) and I would like to learn about contributing and gaining experience for real world projects
[20:30] <oerheks> Zahovay, go for it, start with registering on launchpad
[20:32] <Zahovay> Well, I've read many of steps I should do before, but I would like to ask whether it is possible to find a mentor to help me getting involved in the real development of ubuntu (basically I have experience in c++ but I am a fanatic of C)
[20:40] <oerheks> thereis a C++ channel and programming, and on launchpad you find projects and teams
[20:41] <Zahovay> Alright, thanks a lot