[20:03] <elacheche> o/ There is a LC meeting here now, right?
[20:06] <elacheche> ping kyrofa
[20:06] <kyrofa> So sorry, knee deep in code! I'm here
[20:06] <kyrofa> Huh. Don't see anyone else, though
[20:07] <kyrofa> But yeah, I thought there was a meeting as well
[20:07] <elacheche> :)
[20:09] <elacheche> o/ gsilvapt
[20:09] <kyrofa> Hey there gsilvapt
[20:09] <gsilvapt> hello there
[20:09] <gsilvapt> sorry for being late, was looking for some medicine for my throat
[20:10] <gsilvapt> kyrofa, is everyone around?
[20:10] <kyrofa> gsilvapt, kenvandine just joined, not seeing the others though
[20:10] <gsilvapt> kyrofa, I'll send a message on Telegram
[20:12] <gsilvapt> kyrofa, what do we usually do when half of the council is absent? It's a pitty for the LoCos who made an effort to get approved. I'm not sure which ones are around though
[20:12] <kenvandine> indeed
[20:12] <wxl> you guys can always use bug reports
[20:12] <kyrofa> I'm afraid we don't have a quorum
[20:12] <elacheche> Ubuntu Tunisia is here → elacheche & nzoueidi
[20:12] <kenvandine> :(
[20:12] <nzoueidi> Am here
[20:12] <nzoueidi> Hey folks
[20:13] <elacheche> o/ wxl :)
[20:13] <kyrofa> Actually wait... what about Sujeevan? Did his term expire over the holidays?
[20:14] <gsilvapt> I'm not 100% sure.
[20:15] <gsilvapt> Yes, it did kyrofa
[20:15] <gsilvapt> On the 22nd he said his membership would expire in 2 weeks. That was last week
[20:17] <kyrofa> Well, that means we only have 5 total council members currently. Does that make us a majority?
[20:17] <kyrofa> (the fact that three of us are here, I mean)
[20:17] <kenvandine> indeed
[20:17] <gsilvapt> I would agree so. Carla isn't joining as she is feeling sick
[20:17] <kyrofa> Yeah, let's go ahead
[20:17] <gsilvapt> Suujevan is not part of the council anymore unfortunately, so yeah we can proceed
[20:18] <wxl> if you need an extra vote, i'm sure i could wrangle up the cc :)
[20:18] <gsilvapt> We're three, it is impossible to tie this, wxl but thank you! :D
[20:18] <gsilvapt> kyrofa, do you mind taking control of the meeting?
[20:19] <kyrofa> Not at all, although I need to read up on meetingology real quick. I never seem to retain that information
[20:20] <gsilvapt> hehe, sure take your time. and thanks!
[20:21] <kyrofa> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting, 20180108
[20:21] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan  8 20:21:14 2018 UTC.  The chair is kyrofa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:21] <kyrofa> #chair kenvandine
[20:21] <meetingology> Current chairs: kenvandine kyrofa
[20:21] <kyrofa> #chair gsilvapt
[20:21] <meetingology> Current chairs: gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa
[20:23] <kyrofa> In December's meeting, we had several re-verification applications to review. We requested more information from a few of them, and provided a two-month extension
[20:24] <kyrofa> Today we have two of those locos to review: Myanmar and Tunisia
[20:24] <kyrofa> Folks want to say hello for the minutes?
[20:25] <elacheche> o/ from Tunisia
[20:25] <nzoueidi> Hey from Tunisia too :)
[20:25] <kenvandine> anyone from Myanmar?
[20:26] <kyrofa> Well, why don't we get started with Tunisia, then
[20:26] <gsilvapt> Hello everyone! And a happy to new year!
[20:27] <kyrofa> #topic Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification
[20:27] <elacheche> Hello folks gsilvapt kyrofa kenvandine, Happy New year, Ubuntu Tunisia is here represented by  elacheche (LoCo Contact) & nzoueidi, firts of all, I'd like to apologize for missing last month's meeting, I was relaying on the Ubuntu Fridge calendar (http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/) to remind me, it turned out that there was a bug in the date set on the calendar for the last month.
[20:28] <kenvandine> elacheche, no worries, glad you made it this month
[20:28] <elacheche> :)
[20:28] <elacheche> Our ReVerificaton Wiki → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/ReVerificationApplication2017
[20:29] <elacheche> I'll be happy to openly answer your questions
[20:29] <gsilvapt> elacheche, yes, we actually have to apologize for that. In the meantime, we fixed that to avoid any more confusion and misleading information
[20:29] <elacheche> No worries :)
[20:31] <nzoueidi> I appologize too to not make it the last time, I was stuck at work.
[20:31] <gsilvapt> elacheche, the section Scheduled Activities are things you want to start doing ASAP or you guys have already something running?
[20:32] <nzoueidi> gsilvapt: actually, I added that section. We are planning to do them asap, likewise, I started to prepare tasks related to that section
[20:33] <elacheche> Those are things we want to start asap
[20:33] <gsilvapt> Ok, thank you
[20:33] <elacheche> We need to work on re-stuffing too, as all old active members are no longer here due of life related things (work/family)
[20:33] <kenvandine> sorry, trying to familiarize myself with what we said last month :)
[20:34] <kyrofa> kenvandine, haha, me too
[20:34] <kenvandine> elacheche, when is your next loco meeting?
[20:34] <kenvandine> it says 2011 :)
[20:37] <elacheche> kenvandine: We didn't had a loco meeting for a while now, as I said, we were too many active members, and all of the active guys become busy at the same exact period, so for the last couple of years we were at least only 3 to manage the community, and no one answered meetings calls, so the 3 people around managed to keep the community running :)
[20:37] <gsilvapt> elacheche, but do you have more people today?
[20:37] <elacheche> Our goal for the next few months is to get some fresh blood dudes involved more..
[20:38] <kenvandine> elacheche, do you have ideas for achieving that?
[20:38] <kyrofa> (note that verified locos are verified to _be_ active)
[20:39] <nzoueidi> Yeah, we are involved in the FOSS events that held in Tunisia, so we have a nice list to contact and getting them involved into the community
[20:39] <elacheche> me & nzoueidi are planning ways to make people more engaged with the community.. I think that I managed once to keep nzoueidi engaged and some other folks when they where free :D And we will manage to help young new people to be more active
[20:40] <kyrofa> nzoueidi, do you have a timeline for accomplishing this?
[20:40] <elacheche> kyrofa: As you can see from the wiki page, we had multiple events during the last 2 years, it's real that the quantity is less than before, but still, we are also enhancing quality of the events
[20:41] <nzoueidi> No, I don't but I hope it is asap. I have friends that wanna involve. Keeping them as elacheche said is the hardest thing. But we are trying our best to boost the community :)
[20:42] <kenvandine> i understand it's not easy
[20:44] <elacheche> Unfortuantely, people are used to the FB way of things, post something and wait for immidiate answer/result.. A community need engagment, and time to give you results/answers.. So most people don't want to be engaged, we tried to target FB folks once, and get the mto contribute, ZERO result..
[20:44] <kenvandine> :/
[20:44] <nzoueidi> Exactly, that's what I was going to say
[20:45] <elacheche> Other people are willing to contribute and make an engagement (moral).. And they don't expect immidiate results
[20:45] <elacheche> BTW, I may be talking about Ubuntu Tunisia, but, afaik, that applies to ALL other LoCos, based on my discussions with other folks during the last 2 years
[20:46] <kenvandine> elacheche, yeah, it's not an easy task
[20:47] <kenvandine> elacheche, interesting numbers from facebook
[20:47] <gsilvapt> Yes, getting new contributors is never an easy task in open source projects.
[20:47] <kenvandine> 11410 members of the facebook group
[20:48] <elacheche> kenvandine: Yep, most of them are "Read only" users unfortunately
[20:49] <elacheche> Most of them are very shy to ask quesztions in the group and they prefer to come to you in private and ask rather than posting in the ML or FB :(
[20:49] <kyrofa> Our main criticism last month was that supporting documentation seemed  to be pretty out of date. The last post on the team portal page was about 14.04, the latest "past event" I see on the wiki page is from 2008. We wanted to give you a few months to get that stuff into shape. You put yourself back on the agenda this month, although I don't feel like much has changed, honestly
[20:49] <kenvandine> elacheche, i see some good numbers for the events too, on facebook
[20:49] <kyrofa> Facebook is one area I cannot check, so I'll listen to kenvandine :)
[20:50] <elacheche> kyrofa: I can explain that too x)
[20:50] <kenvandine> the meetup in feb 2017 had 49 that attended
[20:50] <kenvandine> not bad
[20:50] <kyrofa> Pretty darn good, really
[20:50] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:50] <elacheche> kenvandine: Those the recorded numbers, multiple persons don't record that
[20:51] <elacheche> We had events/workshops with more than that number!
[20:51] <kenvandine> right, those are the ones that marked it in FB
[20:51] <nzoueidi> kenvandine: sometimes you see that you have 100 participants of such an event on FB, but in reality you will find half of them
[20:51] <kenvandine> you only had two like that in 2017 though
[20:51] <kenvandine> but... i like that activity
[20:52] <elacheche> During SFD 2016 we had 5 workshops, each had at least 20 persons
[20:52] <gsilvapt> I gotta say I want to approve you guys but the fact you're running this on your own is not comforting although you guys actually do stuff
[20:52] <gsilvapt> "on your own"
[20:53] <kyrofa> elacheche, you mentioned you could explain the out-of-date information?
[20:53] <elacheche> gsilvapt: If we weren't engaged to keep this LoCo running even when we will long gone we will not be here today, after being doing this for our own for years..
[20:53] <elacheche> We believe that the next critical step is to "hire" new recruits, people with time and love to the community
[20:53] <elacheche> and teach & mentor them on how to contribute
[20:55] <elacheche> kyrofa: Yeah sure.. The whole 1st LoCo leaders were "very" demanding that they created too much wiki pages, the next team plan was to understand those pages then refactor them, but then, when it's time to refactor, everyone had an other new life to focus on.. So refactoring still a task to do so new folks can have easier wiki to understand and use
[20:56] <elacheche> About the events, I still track each event in a wiki page, but I always find myself not able to update the main events page because of time
[20:57] <elacheche> For the records, actually we have at least 290 Wiki pages
[20:57] <kenvandine> wow
[20:57] <kenvandine> that's a huge task
[20:58] <nzoueidi> yep :')
[20:58] <kenvandine> ok
[20:58] <kenvandine> shall we vote?
[20:58] <elacheche> And that's MY task, I engaged myself to do it when I have other people to take care of other important things!
[20:58] <gsilvapt> elacheche, one of your priorities should be to actually delete/organise that :D
[20:58] <kenvandine> nothing wrong with deleting wiki pages :)
[20:59] <elacheche> gsilvapt: I know, but I need to recruit people first, so they can take care of other things like preparing the events etc..
[20:59] <kyrofa> I think we have enough information to vote
[20:59] <elacheche> kenvandine: We like to keep the loco legacy, so new commers know how much other commited to the loco!
[20:59] <kenvandine> elacheche, understood
[21:00] <elacheche> Ubuntu Tunisia is not just a community, it's a community that have history, and will have a future, that's I'm sure of :)
[21:00] <kyrofa> #vote Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification
[21:00] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification
[21:00] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[21:01] <kenvandine> vote +1
[21:01] <kenvandine> whoops
[21:01] <kenvandine> +1
[21:01] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[21:01] <kyrofa> Heh
[21:01] <kyrofa> +1
[21:01] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[21:02] <gsilvapt> +1
[21:02] <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt
[21:02] <gsilvapt> apologies for the delay
[21:02] <kyrofa> #endvote
[21:02] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification
[21:02] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:02] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:03] <nzoueidi> Thanks you guys :)
[21:03] <kenvandine> great
[21:04] <kyrofa> Congratulations elacheche nzoueidi! This wasn't the easiest call, but I know how difficult it is to carry a community. Try to execute your plan, get your membership up, share the load
[21:04] <kenvandine> anyone join from Myanmar Loco?
[21:04] <elacheche> :D THANK YOU FOLKS! You have no idea how much happiness I feel right now.. This is a new checkpoint in our LoCo history
[21:04] <wxl> good job elacheche, nzoueidi, et al :)
[21:04] <kyrofa> elacheche, please try to clean up the wiki
[21:04] <kenvandine> elacheche, time to get to work! :-D
[21:04] <kenvandine> elacheche, and congrats!
[21:04] <nzoueidi> We will kenvandine :D
[21:04] <nzoueidi> Thanks again for all.
[21:04] <kenvandine> elacheche, nzoueidi and of course thanks so much for showing up today to discuss this
[21:04] <elacheche> Thanks wxl :) sure folks! :)
[21:05] <nzoueidi> o/ nighty
[21:05] <kyrofa> Alright, on to Myanmar
[21:05] <elacheche> Thanks again, good night folks :)
[21:05] <kyrofa> #topic MyanmarTeam Re-verification
[21:06] <kyrofa> Night elacheche :)
[21:06] <gsilvapt> thanks, elacheche and good luck
[21:06] <kyrofa> Alright, it seems no one is here from Myanmar, even though they put themselves on the agenda a month sooner than they needed to. Let's go off of their application alone
[21:07] <kyrofa> I still see no events in 2017
[21:08] <kyrofa> I don't really see any changes at all from our previous meeting
[21:09] <kenvandine> me either
[21:09] <kenvandine> and again nobody joined the meeting
[21:09] <kenvandine> they technically have another month
[21:09] <kyrofa> But they put themselves on the agenda anyway
[21:09] <kenvandine> true
[21:10] <kyrofa> If I was voting right now, I'd be -1. However, they have until next month. They could technically put themselves back on then
[21:11] <kyrofa> So perhaps we should just pretend it's not on the agenda, and if they don't follow though, they expire by default?
[21:11] <gsilvapt> Did they do any changes?
[21:11] <kyrofa> Doesn't look like it
[21:11] <kenvandine> no edits to the wiki page at all
[21:11] <gsilvapt> Hum, right
[21:11] <kenvandine> i think we just skip it
[21:11] <kyrofa> Yup
[21:11] <gsilvapt> Should we vote or skip it?
[21:11] <kenvandine> no point in voting yet
[21:12] <kenvandine> status hasn't changed since last month
[21:12] <gsilvapt> Hum, right
[21:13] <kyrofa> #agreed We'll skip Myanmar's re-verification since the application hasn't been updated and they have another month
[21:13] <kenvandine> +1 :)
[21:13] <kyrofa> What. Come on meetingology
[21:13] <kenvandine> that is a command!
[21:14] <kyrofa> It worked?
[21:14] <kenvandine> no
[21:14] <kenvandine> i think it would have told us
[21:14] <kenvandine> but it should work
[21:14] <kyrofa> Yeah, it usually spams me
[21:14] <kenvandine> i think the log should be a valid record :)
[21:14] <kyrofa> #agree We'll skip Myanmar's re-verification since the application hasn't been updated and they have another month
[21:14] <kyrofa> Darn
[21:14] <kyrofa> Okay, clear enough
[21:15] <kyrofa> That's all the items on our agenda for today, unless anyone has something else?
[21:17] <kyrofa> I'll assume no
[21:17] <kenvandine> +1
[21:17] <kyrofa> #endmeeting
[21:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan  8 21:17:10 2018 UTC.
[21:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-01-08-20.21.moin.txt
[21:17] <kenvandine> great, thanks everyone!
[21:17] <kyrofa> Back at you kenvandine!
[21:39] <gsilvapt> kyrofa, kenvandine have you guys updated the minutes page?
[21:43] <gsilvapt> I'm having troubles logging in the wiki to update it