| ducasse | good morning, all | 06:02 |
|---|---|---|
| lotuspsychje | hey guys | 06:02 |
| ducasse | hi lotuspsychje, all well? | 06:02 |
| lotuspsychje | morning ducasse | 06:02 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah just woke up | 06:02 |
| ducasse | same here | 06:03 |
| lotuspsychje | 4 new usn | 06:04 |
| lotuspsychje | !usn | 06:04 |
| ubot5 | Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about recent Ubuntu security updates. | 06:04 |
| lotuspsychje | morning nacc | 06:07 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: it's 10pm :) i'm just working a bit | 06:08 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: have fun :p | 06:08 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: but good morning to you :) | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | morning sveta | 06:13 |
| alkisg | Good morning guys | 06:26 |
| lotuspsychje | hey alkisg | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | brb reboot | 06:27 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:03 |
| lotuspsychje | hey lordievader | 07:03 |
| lotuspsychje | all good there? | 07:03 |
| lordievader | Yes, doing good here. How are you, lotuspsychje ? | 07:08 |
| lotuspsychje | great here lordievader | 07:09 |
| lotuspsychje | testing bionic | 07:09 |
| lotuspsychje | my bug collections gets bigger | 07:09 |
| lordievader | I'm playing with the idea of moving my test box back to Kubuntu (it currently runs Neon). | 07:10 |
| lordievader | The standby seems a bit broken, but I do not remember if Kubuntu had the same issue. | 07:10 |
| lordievader | Essentially I get a black-screen on wake-up. | 07:11 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: what do you reccomend to run kde smoothly? | 07:12 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: we had 2 users installing kubuntu vanilla with bad performance | 07:12 |
| lordievader | Oh, for Kubuntu always add the backports. | 07:13 |
| lordievader | Essentially you allways want the most recent version of Plasma you can get. | 07:13 |
| lotuspsychje | i see | 07:13 |
| lotuspsychje | how about system specs? | 07:14 |
| lordievader | Well, it runs okay on my test machine.... Which is an old core2duo.... | 07:14 |
| lordievader | So, about anything. The faster the better. | 07:15 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 07:16 |
| lotuspsychje | mornin EriC^^ | 08:00 |
| EriC^^ | morning lotuspsychje | 08:08 |
| EriC^^ | how's it going? | 08:08 |
| lordievader | Hey EriC^^ | 08:10 |
| EriC^^ | hey lordievader | 08:10 |
| ducasse | good morning lordievader, EriC^^ - all well? | 08:13 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse , doing good here. How are you? | 08:13 |
| ducasse | all good, thanks, as long as i don't have to go out - it's freezing here. | 08:15 |
| lotuspsychje | great EriC^^ tnx | 08:16 |
| EriC^^ | hey ducasse | 08:17 |
| EriC^^ | good here thanks | 08:17 |
| lotuspsychje | also cold here but around 0 | 08:18 |
| * lotuspsychje doesnt like winter | 08:18 | |
| lordievader | Same here, way too cold outside | 08:28 |
| ducasse | -12°C here | 08:31 |
| lordievader | Ouch | 08:33 |
| lordievader | "only" -1C here | 08:34 |
| jink | -2°C here, this morning. Not sure about now. Probably "warmer". | 08:36 |
| lotuspsychje | yikes | 08:41 |
| jink | Wasn't that bad, really. The bunnies in the backyard don't seem to mind, either. | 08:42 |
| lotuspsychje | lol cruel | 08:45 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl work | 08:54 |
| TJ- | Where are the chanops in #ubuntu / #ubunt-ops when you need them!? dax, you awake? | 10:05 |
| daftykins | oh they don't actually DO anything :) | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:48 |
| lordievader | o/ | 13:00 |
| pauljw | hi everyone | 13:21 |
| BluesKaj | Hi pauljw, lordievader | 13:23 |
| pauljw | hi BluesKaj :) | 13:23 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 13:24 |
| BluesKaj | fine here lordievader, and you? | 13:26 |
| lordievader | Doing good here too. Fixing some issues with my shell. | 13:26 |
| BluesKaj | which shells do you use , lordievader? | 13:29 |
| lordievader | Zsh mainly. | 13:29 |
| lordievader | Bash ocasionally. | 13:29 |
| BluesKaj | zsh, looks interesting | 13:31 |
| pauljw | i suppose you guys have seen this: https://betanews.com/2018/01/08/microsoft-meltdown-spectre-patch-bricks-amd-pcs/ | 13:31 |
| pauljw | why we can't rush to fix this issue | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | wife's pc isan amd, but i already have the updates set to notify first | 13:44 |
| daftykins | only hits X2s and older i think | 13:46 |
| BluesKaj | wife's old pc has a 5200+cpu | 13:47 |
| TJ- | I wonder if that is because some CPUs only implement PCID but not INVPCID - Linux had some patches to deal with that | 13:47 |
| daftykins | i think it was down to some CPU feature they messed up on, but i don't think it was PCID in the one i read | 13:48 |
| daftykins | "Same issue here, but with an AMD Sempron 3200+ processor and 32-bit Win10 Pro. I had to do a reset to fix.... " | 13:49 |
| daftykins | lol using a single core thing like that in 2018, shocking | 13:49 |
| BluesKaj | I had one for 10 yrs, an amd 64bit single core ...just gave up the ghost a few yrs ago | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | started out with Kubuntu KDE3 iirc, after dumping Win-XP | 13:57 |
| daftykins | ah no a sempron is even older :) 32-bit only... although they may've done a 64-bit one in the Athlon 64 era too, i forget now | 14:10 |
| mans82 | hi guys. sry if my question might be so frequently-asked or noob-like. Do u prefer to upgrade from ubuntu 16.04 to 17.04? Why? | 15:05 |
| daftykins | ugh. | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | looking at a Nvidia GTX 750Ti, apparently it consumes only 60 watts at full power, that'd be great for this old pc ..give my graphics some extra oomph | 15:37 |
| daftykins | mmm such an old generation isn't really worth considering now | 16:35 |
| daftykins | you can get super cheap super low power nvidia 10 series cards now | 16:35 |
| alkisg | https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+750 => 3709 score? I never had any cards over 500 :D | 16:36 |
| BluesKaj | yeah ,but they require a new PSU ..duuno if that's worth the extra cost | 16:37 |
| BluesKaj | daftykins,^ | 16:37 |
| BluesKaj | this PSU is only 180 watts | 16:38 |
| daftykins | BluesKaj: nah the 1050 and below take power solely from the PCI Express slot | 16:38 |
| BluesKaj | most do, but tsome still require higher power than my pc can provide the pci-e slot | 16:40 |
| daftykins | hmm must've been designed under spec | 16:41 |
| BluesKaj | well, errands to do for a couple of hrs ...BBL | 16:44 |
| daftykins | o/ | 16:44 |
| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 17:33 |
| lotuspsychje | https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3521-1/ | 17:42 |
| lotuspsychje | !info nvidia-384 | 17:43 |
| ubot5 | nvidia-384 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-384): NVIDIA binary driver - version 384.111. In component restricted, is optional. Version 384.111-0ubuntu0.17.10.1 (artful), package size 43013 kB, installed size 167058 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; armhf) | 17:43 |
| lotuspsychje | alot of stuff getting fixxed, so users should just update their systems.. | 17:45 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c how many exploits windows will hit around the globe.. | 17:45 |
| daftykins | i dislike that OS bias talk, it's going to be a problem for everyone | 17:45 |
| lotuspsychje | true | 17:46 |
| lotuspsychje | i just say this daftykins cause alot of users come here pushing it | 17:46 |
| lotuspsychje | ubuntu takes care of it | 17:46 |
| nacc | windows had to retract the fix for amd | 17:47 |
| lotuspsychje | and yes, there will be always users on ALL Os that dont update their systems | 17:48 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-linux-vs-meltdown-and-spectre-battle-continues/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 | 17:57 |
| daftykins | meh only old CPUs being a problem | 17:57 |
| daftykins | users come pushing what? | 17:58 |
| daftykins | both issues aren't perfectly fixed under Linux | 17:58 |
| daftykins | let's not do an Apple and claim it's all sorted :) | 17:58 |
| nacc | afaict, spectre will never be 'sorted' until the hardware is redesigend | 17:58 |
| lotuspsychje | i never said ubuntu was perfect | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | users just come ask here when its gonna happen, they dont realize how much work it is | 17:59 |
| nacc | or that other distros .. may have made mistakes | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychje | so many devices sold with huge security leaks | 18:00 |
| lotuspsychje | default l:p | 18:00 |
| lotuspsychje | what is 100% secure? | 18:02 |
| daftykins | nacc: yeah that's my point | 18:08 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1742063 | 18:13 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1742063 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Systemd taking long time to boot into desktop 18.04" [Undecided,New] | 18:13 |
| lotuspsychje | this1 | 18:13 |
| EriC^^ | ah | 18:13 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: removed auto updates at boot and still slow enter desktop | 18:13 |
| EriC^^ | must be some service getting things wrong or something | 18:14 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: check my systemd blame list | 18:14 |
| lotuspsychje | on the bug | 18:14 |
| lotuspsychje | laterz guys | 18:25 |
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| TJ- | IBM is reporting "...some Red Hat Enterprise Linux servers aren’t rebooting after patching..." - I hope the Ubuntu patches don't go the same way else we could see a lot of support requests in the next few days | 20:58 |
| daftykins | ruh roh! | 21:07 |
| daftykins | and that's paid xD | 21:07 |
| TJ- | we still have a few reports of potential regressions. I suffered 1 last night but can't pin it to the KPTI patches | 21:09 |
| nacc | TJ-: yeah, the problem is, the patches just definitionally don't have enough exposure yet | 22:23 |
| daftykins | you made up a word :D | 22:25 |
| TJ- | no easy way to test it, we usually have a complete alpha/beta period to do this kind of major regression hunt | 22:25 |
| nacc | TJ-: yep | 22:26 |
| nacc | daftykins: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/definitionally, adverb of definition :) | 22:26 |
| nacc | here i'm using definition loosely, to include when the patch was created | 22:28 |
| nacc | also, if RHEL did release pre-embargo, then they had to be using the not-upstreamed version, it seems | 22:28 |
| TJ- | yes, I wondered about the sense of doing that at the time (Dec 26th) | 22:28 |
| nacc | TJ-: *especially* for an enterprise company ... IMO seems very risky | 22:32 |
| nacc | and they take so long to rollback patches, etc. | 22:32 |
| nacc | I think they knew they were going to have to defend their pricing model with such a large vulnerability | 22:32 |
| nacc | so they needed to be "first" | 22:32 |
| TJ- | This affects so many different hardware combinations it's impossible for 1 organisation to test all permutations though | 22:33 |
| nacc | i think it's going to bite them long-term | 22:33 |
| nacc | yeah | 22:33 |
| nacc | ubuntu's benefit is they get a load of free testers | 22:33 |
| nacc | did fedora roll out the fixes at the same time as RH? | 22:33 |
| TJ- | How can I have forgotten to fit an internal disk in a laptop!? just been caught out by a test laptop failing to boot :) | 22:34 |
| TJ- | I'm not sure about Fedora | 22:34 |
| nacc | loll | 22:34 |
| TJ- | I'm trying to reproduce the hardware failure I saw last night after installing the KPTI test kernel | 22:35 |
| TJ- | how in heck does a 16.04 debootstrap install get a 3.15 kernel image ? | 22:54 |
| TJ- | nacc: before I reboot to test the KPTI patched kernel, can you think of any other info I ought to collect beyond dmesg, lspci, lsusb ? | 23:15 |
| nacc | i think that would be ennough, TJ- | 23:15 |
| TJ- | thanks, off we go | 23:16 |
| TJ- | oh! ethtool! I knew there was someinth | 23:16 |
| nacc | troll? | 23:30 |
| nacc | i really can't tell right ow | 23:30 |
| nacc | could be language barrier | 23:31 |
| TJ- | yes, it looks that way, not verbose enough for a regular troll | 23:36 |
| TJ- | probably the schoolkids are running rings around them and they're heard some misleading whispers about SSH :) | 23:37 |
| nacc | yeah | 23:37 |
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