[06:02] good morning, all [06:02] hey guys [06:02] hi lotuspsychje, all well? [06:02] morning ducasse [06:02] yeah just woke up [06:03] same here [06:04] 4 new usn [06:04] !usn [06:04] Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about recent Ubuntu security updates. [06:07] morning nacc [06:08] lotuspsychje: it's 10pm :) i'm just working a bit [06:08] nacc: have fun :p [06:09] lotuspsychje: but good morning to you :) [06:09] tnx [06:13] morning sveta [06:26] Good morning guys [06:27] hey alkisg [06:27] brb reboot [07:03] Good morning [07:03] hey lordievader [07:03] all good there? [07:08] Yes, doing good here. How are you, lotuspsychje ? [07:09] great here lordievader [07:09] testing bionic [07:09] my bug collections gets bigger [07:10] I'm playing with the idea of moving my test box back to Kubuntu (it currently runs Neon). [07:10] The standby seems a bit broken, but I do not remember if Kubuntu had the same issue. [07:11] Essentially I get a black-screen on wake-up. [07:12] lordievader: what do you reccomend to run kde smoothly? [07:12] lordievader: we had 2 users installing kubuntu vanilla with bad performance [07:13] Oh, for Kubuntu always add the backports. [07:13] Essentially you allways want the most recent version of Plasma you can get. [07:13] i see [07:14] how about system specs? [07:14] Well, it runs okay on my test machine.... Which is an old core2duo.... [07:15] So, about anything. The faster the better. [07:16] kk [08:00] mornin EriC^^ [08:08] morning lotuspsychje [08:08] how's it going? [08:10] Hey EriC^^ [08:10] hey lordievader [08:13] good morning lordievader, EriC^^ - all well? [08:13] Hey ducasse , doing good here. How are you? [08:15] all good, thanks, as long as i don't have to go out - it's freezing here. [08:16] great EriC^^ tnx [08:17] hey ducasse [08:17] good here thanks [08:18] also cold here but around 0 [08:18] * lotuspsychje doesnt like winter [08:28] Same here, way too cold outside [08:31] -12°C here [08:33] Ouch [08:34] "only" -1C here [08:36] -2°C here, this morning. Not sure about now. Probably "warmer". [08:41] yikes [08:42] Wasn't that bad, really. The bunnies in the backyard don't seem to mind, either. [08:45] lol cruel [08:54] bbl work [10:05] Where are the chanops in #ubuntu / #ubunt-ops when you need them!? dax, you awake? [11:39] oh they don't actually DO anything :) [12:48] Hiyas all [13:00] o/ [13:21] hi everyone [13:23] Hi pauljw, lordievader [13:23] hi BluesKaj :) [13:24] How are you doing? [13:26] fine here lordievader, and you? [13:26] Doing good here too. Fixing some issues with my shell. [13:29] which shells do you use , lordievader? [13:29] Zsh mainly. [13:29] Bash ocasionally. [13:31] zsh, looks interesting [13:31] i suppose you guys have seen this: https://betanews.com/2018/01/08/microsoft-meltdown-spectre-patch-bricks-amd-pcs/ [13:32] why we can't rush to fix this issue [13:44] wife's pc isan amd, but i already have the updates set to notify first [13:46] only hits X2s and older i think [13:47] wife's old pc has a 5200+cpu [13:47] I wonder if that is because some CPUs only implement PCID but not INVPCID - Linux had some patches to deal with that [13:48] i think it was down to some CPU feature they messed up on, but i don't think it was PCID in the one i read [13:49] "Same issue here, but with an AMD Sempron 3200+ processor and 32-bit Win10 Pro. I had to do a reset to fix.... " [13:49] lol using a single core thing like that in 2018, shocking [13:55] I had one for 10 yrs, an amd 64bit single core ...just gave up the ghost a few yrs ago [13:57] started out with Kubuntu KDE3 iirc, after dumping Win-XP [14:10] ah no a sempron is even older :) 32-bit only... although they may've done a 64-bit one in the Athlon 64 era too, i forget now [15:05] hi guys. sry if my question might be so frequently-asked or noob-like. Do u prefer to upgrade from ubuntu 16.04 to 17.04? Why? [15:07] ugh. [15:37] looking at a Nvidia GTX 750Ti, apparently it consumes only 60 watts at full power, that'd be great for this old pc ..give my graphics some extra oomph [16:35] mmm such an old generation isn't really worth considering now [16:35] you can get super cheap super low power nvidia 10 series cards now [16:36] https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+750 => 3709 score? I never had any cards over 500 :D [16:37] yeah ,but they require a new PSU ..duuno if that's worth the extra cost [16:37] daftykins,^ [16:38] this PSU is only 180 watts [16:38] BluesKaj: nah the 1050 and below take power solely from the PCI Express slot [16:40] most do, but tsome still require higher power than my pc can provide the pci-e slot [16:41] hmm must've been designed under spec [16:44] well, errands to do for a couple of hrs ...BBL [16:44] o/ [17:33] good evening to all [17:42] https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3521-1/ [17:43] !info nvidia-384 [17:43] nvidia-384 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-384): NVIDIA binary driver - version 384.111. In component restricted, is optional. Version 384.111-0ubuntu0.17.10.1 (artful), package size 43013 kB, installed size 167058 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; armhf) [17:45] alot of stuff getting fixxed, so users should just update their systems.. [17:45] lets c how many exploits windows will hit around the globe.. [17:45] i dislike that OS bias talk, it's going to be a problem for everyone [17:46] true [17:46] i just say this daftykins cause alot of users come here pushing it [17:46] ubuntu takes care of it [17:47] windows had to retract the fix for amd [17:48] and yes, there will be always users on ALL Os that dont update their systems [17:57] http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-linux-vs-meltdown-and-spectre-battle-continues/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 [17:57] meh only old CPUs being a problem [17:58] users come pushing what? [17:58] both issues aren't perfectly fixed under Linux [17:58] let's not do an Apple and claim it's all sorted :) [17:58] afaict, spectre will never be 'sorted' until the hardware is redesigend [17:59] i never said ubuntu was perfect [17:59] users just come ask here when its gonna happen, they dont realize how much work it is [17:59] or that other distros .. may have made mistakes [18:00] so many devices sold with huge security leaks [18:00] default l:p [18:02] what is 100% secure? [18:08] nacc: yeah that's my point [18:13] EriC^^: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1742063 [18:13] Launchpad bug 1742063 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Systemd taking long time to boot into desktop 18.04" [Undecided,New] [18:13] this1 [18:13] ah [18:13] EriC^^: removed auto updates at boot and still slow enter desktop [18:14] must be some service getting things wrong or something [18:14] EriC^^: check my systemd blame list [18:14] on the bug [18:25] laterz guys === Guest48726 is now known as ariver [20:58] IBM is reporting "...some Red Hat Enterprise Linux servers aren’t rebooting after patching..." - I hope the Ubuntu patches don't go the same way else we could see a lot of support requests in the next few days [21:07] ruh roh! [21:07] and that's paid xD [21:09] we still have a few reports of potential regressions. I suffered 1 last night but can't pin it to the KPTI patches [22:23] TJ-: yeah, the problem is, the patches just definitionally don't have enough exposure yet [22:25] you made up a word :D [22:25] no easy way to test it, we usually have a complete alpha/beta period to do this kind of major regression hunt [22:26] TJ-: yep [22:26] daftykins: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/definitionally, adverb of definition :) [22:28] here i'm using definition loosely, to include when the patch was created [22:28] also, if RHEL did release pre-embargo, then they had to be using the not-upstreamed version, it seems [22:28] yes, I wondered about the sense of doing that at the time (Dec 26th) [22:32] TJ-: *especially* for an enterprise company ... IMO seems very risky [22:32] and they take so long to rollback patches, etc. [22:32] I think they knew they were going to have to defend their pricing model with such a large vulnerability [22:32] so they needed to be "first" [22:33] This affects so many different hardware combinations it's impossible for 1 organisation to test all permutations though [22:33] i think it's going to bite them long-term [22:33] yeah [22:33] ubuntu's benefit is they get a load of free testers [22:33] did fedora roll out the fixes at the same time as RH? [22:34] How can I have forgotten to fit an internal disk in a laptop!? just been caught out by a test laptop failing to boot :) [22:34] I'm not sure about Fedora [22:34] loll [22:35] I'm trying to reproduce the hardware failure I saw last night after installing the KPTI test kernel [22:54] how in heck does a 16.04 debootstrap install get a 3.15 kernel image ? [23:15] nacc: before I reboot to test the KPTI patched kernel, can you think of any other info I ought to collect beyond dmesg, lspci, lsusb ? [23:15] i think that would be ennough, TJ- [23:16] thanks, off we go [23:16] oh! ethtool! I knew there was someinth [23:30] troll? [23:30] i really can't tell right ow [23:31] could be language barrier [23:36] yes, it looks that way, not verbose enough for a regular troll [23:37] probably the schoolkids are running rings around them and they're heard some misleading whispers about SSH :) [23:37] yeah