[06:02] <ducasse> good morning, all
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> hey guys
[06:02] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, all well?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> yeah just woke up
[06:03] <ducasse> same here
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> 4 new usn
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> !usn
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> morning nacc
[06:08] <nacc> lotuspsychje: it's 10pm :) i'm just working a bit
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> nacc: have fun :p
[06:09] <nacc> lotuspsychje: but good morning to you :)
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> morning sveta
[06:26] <alkisg> Good morning guys
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> brb reboot
[07:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> all good there?
[07:08] <lordievader> Yes, doing good here. How are you, lotuspsychje ?
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> great here lordievader
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> testing bionic
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> my bug collections gets bigger
[07:10] <lordievader> I'm playing with the idea of moving my test box back to Kubuntu (it currently runs Neon).
[07:10] <lordievader> The standby seems a bit broken, but I do not remember if Kubuntu had the same issue.
[07:11] <lordievader> Essentially I get a black-screen on wake-up.
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: what do you reccomend to run kde smoothly?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: we had 2 users installing kubuntu vanilla with bad performance
[07:13] <lordievader> Oh, for Kubuntu always add the backports.
[07:13] <lordievader> Essentially you allways want the most recent version of Plasma you can get.
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> i see
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> how about system specs?
[07:14] <lordievader> Well, it runs okay on my test machine.... Which is an old core2duo....
[07:15] <lordievader> So, about anything. The faster the better.
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> kk
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> mornin EriC^^
[08:08] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[08:08] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[08:10] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[08:10] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[08:13] <ducasse> good morning lordievader, EriC^^ - all well?
[08:13] <lordievader> Hey ducasse , doing good here. How are you?
[08:15] <ducasse> all good, thanks, as long as i don't have to go out - it's freezing here.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> great EriC^^ tnx
[08:17] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[08:17] <EriC^^> good here thanks
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> also cold here but around 0
[08:18]  * lotuspsychje doesnt like winter
[08:28] <lordievader> Same here, way too cold outside
[08:31] <ducasse> -12°C here
[08:33] <lordievader> Ouch
[08:34] <lordievader> "only" -1C here
[08:36] <jink> -2°C here, this morning.  Not sure about now.  Probably "warmer".
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[08:42] <jink> Wasn't that bad, really.  The bunnies in the backyard don't seem to mind, either.
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> lol cruel
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> bbl work
[10:05] <TJ-> Where are the chanops in #ubuntu / #ubunt-ops when you need them!? dax, you awake?
[11:39] <daftykins> oh they don't actually DO anything :)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:00] <lordievader> o/
[13:21] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw, lordievader
[13:23] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[13:24] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> fine here lordievader, and you?
[13:26] <lordievader> Doing good here too. Fixing some issues with my shell.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> which shells do you use , lordievader?
[13:29] <lordievader> Zsh mainly.
[13:29] <lordievader> Bash ocasionally.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> zsh, looks interesting
[13:31] <pauljw> i suppose you guys have seen this: https://betanews.com/2018/01/08/microsoft-meltdown-spectre-patch-bricks-amd-pcs/
[13:32] <pauljw> why we can't rush to fix this issue
[13:44] <BluesKaj> wife's pc isan amd, but i already have the updates set to notify first
[13:46] <daftykins> only hits X2s and older i think
[13:47] <BluesKaj> wife's old pc has a 5200+cpu
[13:47] <TJ-> I wonder if that is because some CPUs only implement PCID but not INVPCID - Linux had some patches to deal with that
[13:48] <daftykins> i think it was down to some CPU feature they messed up on, but i don't think it was PCID in the one i read
[13:49] <daftykins> "Same issue here, but with an AMD Sempron 3200+ processor and 32-bit Win10 Pro.  I had to do a reset to fix.... "
[13:49] <daftykins> lol using a single core thing like that in 2018, shocking
[13:55] <BluesKaj> I had one for 10 yrs, an amd 64bit single core ...just gave up the ghost a few yrs ago
[13:57] <BluesKaj> started out with Kubuntu KDE3 iirc, after dumping Win-XP
[14:10] <daftykins> ah no a sempron is even older :) 32-bit only... although they may've done a 64-bit one in the Athlon 64 era too, i forget now
[15:05] <mans82> hi guys. sry if my question might be so frequently-asked or noob-like. Do u prefer to upgrade from ubuntu 16.04 to 17.04? Why?
[15:07] <daftykins> ugh.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> looking at a Nvidia GTX 750Ti, apparently it consumes only 60 watts at full power, that'd be great for this old pc ..give my graphics some extra oomph
[16:35] <daftykins> mmm such an old generation isn't really worth considering now
[16:35] <daftykins> you can get super cheap super low power nvidia 10 series cards now
[16:36] <alkisg> https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+750 => 3709 score? I never had any cards over 500 :D
[16:37] <BluesKaj> yeah ,but they require a new PSU ..duuno if that's worth the extra cost
[16:37] <BluesKaj> daftykins,^
[16:38] <BluesKaj> this PSU is only 180 watts
[16:38] <daftykins> BluesKaj: nah the 1050 and below take power solely from the PCI Express slot
[16:40] <BluesKaj> most do, but tsome still require higher power than my pc can provide the pci-e slot
[16:41] <daftykins> hmm must've been designed under spec
[16:44] <BluesKaj> well, errands to do for a couple of hrs ...BBL
[16:44] <daftykins> o/
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3521-1/
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-384
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> alot of stuff getting fixxed, so users should just update their systems..
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> lets c how many exploits windows will hit around the globe..
[17:45] <daftykins> i dislike that OS bias talk, it's going to be a problem for everyone
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> true
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> i just say this daftykins cause alot of users come here pushing it
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu takes care of it
[17:47] <nacc> windows had to retract the fix for amd
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> and yes, there will be always users on ALL Os that dont update their systems
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-linux-vs-meltdown-and-spectre-battle-continues/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
[17:57] <daftykins> meh only old CPUs being a problem
[17:58] <daftykins> users come pushing what?
[17:58] <daftykins> both issues aren't perfectly fixed under Linux
[17:58] <daftykins> let's not do an Apple and claim it's all sorted :)
[17:58] <nacc> afaict, spectre will never be 'sorted' until the hardware is redesigend
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> i never said ubuntu was perfect
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> users just come ask here when its gonna happen, they dont realize how much work it is
[17:59] <nacc> or that other distros .. may have made mistakes
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> so many devices sold with huge security leaks
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> default l:p
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> what is 100% secure?
[18:08] <daftykins> nacc: yeah that's my point
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1742063
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> this1
[18:13] <EriC^^> ah
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: removed auto updates at boot and still slow enter desktop
[18:14] <EriC^^> must be some service getting things wrong or something
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: check my systemd blame list
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> on the bug
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys
[20:58] <TJ-> IBM is reporting "...some Red Hat Enterprise Linux servers aren’t rebooting after patching..."  - I hope the Ubuntu patches don't go the same way else we could see a lot of support requests in the next few days
[21:07] <daftykins> ruh roh!
[21:07] <daftykins> and that's paid xD
[21:09] <TJ-> we still have a few reports of potential regressions. I suffered 1 last night but can't pin it to the KPTI patches
[22:23] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, the problem is, the patches just definitionally don't have enough exposure yet
[22:25] <daftykins> you made up a word :D
[22:25] <TJ-> no easy way to test it, we usually have a complete alpha/beta period to do this kind of major regression hunt
[22:26] <nacc> TJ-: yep
[22:26] <nacc> daftykins: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/definitionally, adverb of definition :)
[22:28] <nacc> here i'm using definition loosely, to include when the patch was created
[22:28] <nacc> also, if RHEL did release pre-embargo, then they had to be using the not-upstreamed version, it seems
[22:28] <TJ-> yes, I wondered about the sense of doing that at the time (Dec 26th)
[22:32] <nacc> TJ-: *especially* for an enterprise company ... IMO seems very risky
[22:32] <nacc> and they take so long to rollback patches, etc.
[22:32] <nacc> I think they knew they were going to have to defend their pricing model with such a large vulnerability
[22:32] <nacc> so they needed to be "first"
[22:33] <TJ-> This affects so many different hardware combinations it's impossible for 1 organisation to test all permutations though
[22:33] <nacc> i think it's going to bite them long-term
[22:33] <nacc> yeah
[22:33] <nacc> ubuntu's benefit is they get a load of free testers
[22:33] <nacc> did fedora roll out the fixes at the same time as RH?
[22:34] <TJ-> How can I have forgotten to fit an internal disk in a laptop!? just been caught out by a test laptop failing to boot :)
[22:34] <TJ-> I'm not sure about Fedora
[22:34] <nacc> loll
[22:35] <TJ-> I'm trying to reproduce the hardware failure I saw last night after installing the KPTI test kernel
[22:54] <TJ-> how in heck does a 16.04 debootstrap install get a 3.15 kernel image ?
[23:15] <TJ-> nacc: before I reboot to test the KPTI patched kernel, can you think of any other info I ought to collect beyond dmesg, lspci, lsusb ?
[23:15] <nacc> i think that would be ennough, TJ-
[23:16] <TJ-> thanks, off we go
[23:16] <TJ-> oh! ethtool! I knew there was someinth
[23:30] <nacc> troll?
[23:30] <nacc> i really can't tell right ow
[23:31] <nacc> could be language barrier
[23:36] <TJ-> yes, it looks that way, not verbose enough for a regular troll
[23:37] <TJ-> probably the schoolkids are running rings around them and they're heard some misleading whispers about SSH :)
[23:37] <nacc> yeah