[00:10] <apb1963> TJ-, no joy :(  https://pastebin.com/NtXgiG7U
[00:16] <titou> about my problem with the hybride radeon card ... gone bios, selected win7 then reinstall ubuntu mate and that's it :P
[00:17] <titou> acceleration hardware ... but sensors are 65 - 80c when busy
[00:18] <titou> will try wine with borderlands and empire earth 2
[00:18] <titou> thanks !!
[00:18] <TJ-> apb1963: that's disappointing
[00:19] <TJ-> apb1963: "Invalid argument" seems a weird response
[00:20] <apb1963> TJ-, well... I could comment but I don't have anything useful to say :D
[00:21] <apb1963> I mean "master" seems like an acceptable argument.. unless it doesn't support it, which would make it invalid.
[00:21] <apb1963> so, yeah... weird.
[00:23] <KingOfWeird> :)
[00:25] <apb1963> Heavy is the head that wears the crown.  I abdicated.
[00:28] <TJ-> apb1963: Have you tried configuring it using hostapd? It may be failing because it's not also configuring the operating channel and other requirements
[00:29] <apb1963> TJ-, yes, that's exactly what i'm trying to do
[00:31] <TJ-> apb1963: have you set the link 'down' before trying to put it in master mode? ("sudo ip link set dev wlp2s0 down" )
[00:31] <MajesticFudgie> Do you think cronjobbing apt autoremove is a bad idea?
[00:31] <apb1963> TJ-, I have not
[00:31] <TJ-> apb1963: that might help :)
[00:33] <TJ-> MajesticFudgie: that, or an alternate 'apt upgrade' script that auto-executes 'apt autoremove'
[00:33] <MajesticFudgie> yeah
[00:33] <MajesticFudgie> My /boot likes to get full
[00:33] <apb1963> TJ-, :( https://pastebin.com/P36Y29Z8
[00:33] <TJ-> MajesticFudgie: drill a hole in the big toe :p
[00:34] <apb1963> TJ-, dump it out? :)
[00:34] <MajesticFudgie> Could do with it lol
[00:34] <MajesticFudgie> https://smallimage.in/q6746pqu2l87cxcbd27unvrh6r3j18li.png har har bad joke
[00:34] <TJ-> apb1963: hmmm, are you seeing anything in syslog or kern.log when you issue the 'mode master' command?
[00:35] <TJ-> apb1963: I looked at the source code for iwconfig; that error is coming up from the driver itself
[00:36] <TJ-> apb1963: in your hostapd config are using "driver=nl80211" ?
[00:37] <xubuntu682> Does anyone have experience installing a CANON laser printer CUPS driver on ubuntu v 14.04?
[00:38] <apb1963> nothing in in logs... I was using that driver... but now am not.  Haven't tested with that driver though.
[00:38] <apb1963> TJ-, ^^^
[00:39] <xubuntu682> I downloaded the driver and unpacked but the install script did not run.
[00:40] <apb1963> TJ-, I mean I haven't tested that driver since changing kernels
[00:42] <TJ-> apb1963: I'm seeing hints that in master mode you may need to disable the ath9k hardware crpyotgrahpy support with the module option "nohwcrypt=1"
[00:42] <TJ-> apb1963: it's a long shot but worth trying at this point
[00:43] <TJ-> apb1963: "sudo modprobe -r ath9k; sudo modprobe ath9k nohwcrypt=1"
[00:44] <xubuntu682> Thanks apb1963 I will give it a try.
[00:44] <apb1963> TJ-, will do.  While I do that...  /etc/network/interfaces  https://pastebin.com/xBktvbzF
[00:45] <Guest4977> hi
[00:46] <TJ-> apb1963: are you trying to use both wireless-tools in ifupdown, and hostapd, or are these just alternate methods of trying to get it to work?
[00:46] <Guest4977> just trying kaffeine but it seems not to detect my usb tv cards. how can I set them?
[00:47] <apb1963> TJ-, both
[00:47] <apb1963> TJ-, my goal is to set it up as a router and AP, dhcp server, dns server..
[00:49] <apb1963> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/g6Ah5VBM
[00:50] <michael2> Ubuntu docs on repo's here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#line-32   say "Ubuntu also has several pockets that further divide the archive: release, security, updates, proposed and backports. The pocket can be found by looking at the Distribution entry of a source package." what does "Distribution  entry of source package mean"?
[00:51] <apb1963> michael2, I think it probably means the name of the distribution.  Such as Xenial, Trusty, etc.  But I'm guessing.
[00:53] <apb1963> Hmm.. on second thought.. that doesn't make a lot of sense.  NVM :)
[00:55] <Guest4977> vlc cannot find either my usb tv cards. what can I do to configure them?
[00:57] <TJ-> apb1963: OK, in regard to using iwconfig, I've just read that apparently "wireless-tools now requires hostapd in order to set wireless extension in master mode"
[00:59] <TJ-> apb1963: So on that basis I'd focus on ensuring ONLY hostapd is configured to manage the device. That means ensuring neither network-manager nor ifupdown (via /etc/network/interfaces) is trying to touch the device
[01:00] <apb1963> TJ-, oh really.  So, put /etc/network/interfaces back to its default?  OK.  I'll dump those countless hours of work :)
[01:01] <TJ-> apb1963: I'd just comment the "auto wlp2s0" out so it doesn't touch that interface unless you tell it to, for now!
[01:01] <apb1963> TJ-, OK, I'll do that then.
[01:02] <apb1963> apb1963, actually it's hot-plug
[01:02] <TJ-> apb1963: once you've got signs of AP mode life from hostapd, then you can clean up that config file :)
[01:03] <apb1963> TJ-, so comment the entire stanza, yes?
[01:04] <TJ-> apb1963: you sohuld only need to comment the "auto" line so it doesn't automatically set the device up at boot-time. It'll then only do it when you  do "ifup wlp2s0"
[01:06] <PissWizard> I can't get any help in #winehq. my game broke the solution for displaying in the proper resolution on my 2nd monitor.
[01:08] <PissWizard> I've got 2 Dell Ultrasharp monitors with different resolution. I can't get my World of Warcraft under Wine to display in Windowed{Fullscreen} mode on 2nd non-primary monitor without picking the lower resolution of the primary monitor and then resizing it up, making all my text blurry. The solution USED to be to add a line in WoW's Config.wtf file: SET gxResolution "1920x1200"
[01:09] <PissWizard> I have no idea what the string of communication is between hardware and my game under Wine under Xubuntu is. the monitor resolution settings in Ubuntu have NO effect on this. a virtual desktop in Wine displays on the primary monitor. windowed mode for my game reduces FPS further and I still lose half the verticle resolution that the larger monitor has because of the bar at the top.
[01:10] <apb1963> TJ-, Now the interface isn't coming up at all... putting it back the way it was.. same result.
[01:12] <apb1963> TJ-, sorry.. I meant I did a systemctl restart networking
[01:12] <apb1963> TJ-, and it fails
[01:13] <apb1963>   Process: 6166 ExecStart=/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment (code=exited, status=
[01:13] <apb1963> 1/FAILURE)
[01:13] <apb1963> Jan 08 17:11:39 yellow systemd[1]: Failed to start Raise network interfaces.
[01:16] <TJ-> apb1963: shouldn't that be the hostapd service you're trying to start?
[01:16] <apb1963> TJ-, good point.  silly me
[01:18] <apb1963> TJ-, OK.. if i'm not using if tools... I'm not sure what to do.
[01:20] <TJ-> apb1963: configure hostapd, then for testing only, start it directly from the shell in foreground mode so you can monitor it's messages directly, and Ctrl+C to kll it. Hopefully the messages will help refine the donfig
[01:21] <apb1963> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/nm2DzwBX
[01:21] <apb1963> ok
[01:25] <apb1963> tj ?
[01:28] <Vysty> I'm recording videos using OBS studio. I'm not able to get any input audio to record (video is recording fine). Can someone help me troubleshoot getting my microphone recording?
[01:41] <Sveta> Vysty: I would test audio capture in another program, for example https://webaudiodemos.appspot.com/AudioRecorder/ .
[01:41] <Sveta> Vysty: this uses html5 inside of your browser, so it should be easy to test using this tool.
[01:50] <salamanderrake> Who do I talk to about getting the graphics drivers ppa updated to nvidia 390 beta driver?
[01:52] <lapion> hello
[01:52] <salamanderrake> Err....How do I get in contact with the Graphics Drivers team?
[01:53] <lapion> no matter how I remove 4.10.0 and or hwe support the system keeps on trying to "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-42-generic"
[01:55] <LiveUSB> Does anyone know anything about creating a persistent Live USB with the latest version of Ubuntu from Windows?
[01:58] <Sveta> salamanderrake: there is a testers mailing list of them at https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers-testers
[01:58] <laptop> any updates
[01:58] <laptop> for meltdown
[02:01] <Sveta> LiveUSB: hi! see https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/ for 'linuxlive usb creator' instructions, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent "Installing Ubuntu on USB drive using Windows" section for unetbootin instructions
[02:02] <Sveta> LiveUSB: both these tools -- 'linuxlive usb creator' and 'unetbootin' -- are freely licensed software released under GNU GPL, and are expected to work
[02:03] <LiveUSB> @Sveta, I did attempt to use UNetBootin already and it actually didn't enable persistence, I thought it may be due to the fact that I'm using 16.04.03
[02:03] <LiveUSB> I'm not sure if that's actually my issue or not
[02:03] <Sveta> LiveUSB: did you make two partitions?
[02:03] <LiveUSB> Yes
[02:04] <LiveUSB> I noticed from videos that people booting into Ubuntu after using UNetBootin actually got a UNetBootin screen, whereas I had the GNU Grub screen
[02:05] <LiveUSB> Maybe I'll start fresh and try both of those tools again, as I've already attempted them both several times. I did manage to get persistence but now Ubuntu simply freezes after a period of time, and I'm really not sure what the problem is
[02:06] <lapion> nvm fixed it by install-uninstall all over again
[02:06] <Sveta> LiveUSB: I'd suggest to test the persistence in a simple way. Change your wallpaper and reboot. If this works then consider it done and come here with further questions (but do not reinstall it from scratch anymore), otherwise consider it an install problem
[02:07] <Sveta> LiveUSB: it could be a faulty usb, so if you run into issues repeatedly, trying the same method with another usb is also an option.
[02:07] <Vysty> Sveta: Sorry about delayed response regarding OBS. I record in Audacity all the time and talk to people over Skype. Audio capture is working great.
[02:08] <Vysty> Sveta: I've done some googling and found that people where having issues with a "Push to Talk" recording option. I turned that off and it still isn't recording.
[02:08] <LiveUSB> One last question then -- why do you suggest that I do not do scratch reinstalls?
[02:09] <Sveta> Vysty: if it's an obs problem, perhaps ask their chat (https://obsproject.com/chat) you can also open this in your normal irc client
[02:09] <Vysty> Thanks!
[02:09] <Sveta> LiveUSB: solving any problem by a reinstall is slow and inefficient; it is better to test the persistence first, and solve any remaining problems separately
[02:09] <Vysty> I hope someone's online. Generally I come here because this is the only place with people actively chatting.
[02:11] <Sveta> Vysty: a quick look sugggests you need to make sure the correct mic is selected at « Setting>Audio>Mic/Auxiliary device», and turn off "mic qpc timestamps" in advanced
[02:11] <Sveta> Vysty: then try again
[02:11] <LiveUSB> Sveta: Do you know what I may do to troubleshoot the locking up that I am experiencing?
[02:11] <Sveta> Vysty: (it's nontrivial to suggest solutions to this without having the software installed on my own computer, hence the suggestion)
[02:12] <Sveta> LiveUSB: i'd suggest to test the persistence by changing a particular setting and rebooting; if that works, come back here and someone can help you look at system logs to diagnose the locking up
[02:12] <Sveta> LiveUSB: one issue at a time
[02:12] <LiveUSB> Sveta: Persistence is working
[02:12] <Sveta> LiveUSB: ok, great
[02:12] <Sveta> LiveUSB: what triggers the locking up?
[02:12] <Vysty> Sveta: Appreciated. I do have my mic selected in settings and there is no "mic qpc timestamps" in advanced.
[02:13] <LiveUSB> Sveta: I'm not really quite sure; I have a theory about why.
[02:13] <LiveUSB> Sveta: Currently it's happened when using the file browser
[02:20] <Sveta> LiveUSB: that's only the first 25 seconds, perhaps not the complete output
[02:20] <Sveta> Vysty: it needs to record game sound (played by the game) or sound from your mic?
[02:20] <Sveta> Vysty: does OBS game volume bar appear active when you are recording?
[02:20] <Vysty> not playing any game.
[02:20] <Vysty> Just want to record myself.
[02:20] <LiveUSB> Sveta: I've checked with the paste I put up and the terminal and the end of the terminal matches whta I pasted
[02:21] <Sveta> Vysty: it's probably out of my abilities, i don't have it installed and the web search is not particularly enlightening
[02:21] <Vysty> Sveta: I appreciate your help in any case.
[02:21] <Sveta> Vysty: if you just want to record your own video, perhaps you don't have to use obs? or there's a particular reason you prefer it over other programs?
[02:21] <Sveta> LiveUSB: ok
[02:21] <Vysty> Sveta: Was just recommended to me. It also seems like a great program to record through my webcam and my screen at the same time.
[02:22] <Sveta> Vysty: ah, you're recording your webcam picture plus your screen, side by side into the same video?
[02:22] <Vysty> That's what I WANT to do.
[02:22] <Vysty> Or at least have the ability to do.
[02:24] <Sveta> Vysty: ok, try the vokoscreen package instead, its home page is http://linuxecke.volkoh.de/vokoscreen/vokoscreen.html
[02:24] <Vysty> Sveta: Will look into it. I got some people to respond to be in the OBS chat. Thanks!
[02:24] <Sveta> !info vokoscreen
[02:25] <Sveta> Vysty: no worries, i used vokoscreen a couple days ago and i see its preferences window has a webcam icon, it was pretty intuitive
[02:26] <Sveta> LiveUSB: i don't see anything concerning apart from intermittent wifi
[02:30] <LiveUSB> Sveta: I suppose that's good; do you have any further troubleshooting ideas?
[02:30] <Pinkamena_D> Upgraded to 17.10 fairly recently. A bug has happened twice now where after a resume I go to login and after typing password the login screen freezes. I can do alt+ctrl+f1 and it will unfreeze back to the login screen, type password and it freezes again, etc. I can get to other tty through the other f keys. It is very bad because I can not get back to my x session (or whatever it is now) to save and exit my work. How can I find out where it may be
[02:30] <Pinkamena_D> logged what the bug is?
[02:31] <LiveUSB> Sveta: I've been trying to trigger the lockup for a minute and have failed thusfar
[02:31] <Pinkamena_D> or at least a better error message I can work with?
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[02:53] <Sveta> LiveUSB: as an uneducated guess, if you can reproduce this stably, re-attempt to test this with wifi disabled via a hardware switch
[02:57] <LiveUSB> Sveta: That's fair, however, disabling the wifi via hardware is honestly more trouble than it's worth (small laptop). The WiFi does function, however. I can access websites and download things (for example, I uploaded my dmesg from the laptop)
[03:00] <melatonina> Hi!
[03:03] <melatonina> Is Ubuntu Oxygen ready for software development? I switched from 16.04.3 LTS and Oxygen seems a bit messed up.
[03:18] <melatonina> Hi, again.
[03:19] <melatonina> Is Ubuntu 17.10 good for software development? Why don't can't install g++, ffmpeg and other basic packages from "Ubuntu software"?
[03:37] <wingmist2901> anyone active?
[03:53] <hsa> hi everybody, its my first time here, what we usually talk around this channel?
[03:53] <sarloth> melatonina: what do you mean by "good for development?"
[03:54] <sarloth> hsa: I don't spend a lot of time in this chan, but I would guess it's general troubleshooting and such
[03:55] <hsa> sarloth, to be honest im not used to irc
[03:56] <hsa> can you give me some tips of how to get started?
[03:57] <sarloth> mostly find channels for stuff you are interested in and join in the convo. There is usually a MOTD that explains the channel topic. there is also the channel topic. this one links to the IRC guidelines for Ubuntu. mostly don't be a dick and people are generally pretty nice :)
[03:58] <hsa> hmm, how do i find channels of my interest? i mean, with people of my country and such
[03:58] <sarloth> I usually hop on when I get into a weird situation that I can't seem to google anything for. most recently I was jumping into python and openapi chans to see if anyone knew how to run swagger generated flask servers using gunicorn.
[04:00] <sarloth> freenode (the irc host you are using) has some docs for finding more specific chans: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/findingchannels
[04:00] <hsa> ok, thanks
[04:00] <sarloth> Admittedly, I've never looked into finding region/country specific chans. I've always considered the internet a wide open space for all to talk about things that are important other than their nationality or physical boundaries :)
[04:01] <sarloth> no worries, happy chatting hsa
[04:01] <hsa> but there is a lot of bounderies on internet
[04:02] <hsa> eventually you will notice that countries form entire isolated bubbles that become culturally impenetrable
[04:10] <Feitan_> #join quasel
[04:10] <Feitan_> #join quassel
[04:10] <Feitan_> oops my bad in there
[04:26] <za1b1tsu> Hello, I have followed this guide https://www.maketecheasier.com/move-home-folder-ubuntu/ to move the home folder to a dif partition. I completed it, but on the new partition in gparted the mount point is /home,/media/home. Is this bad? Do I need media/home, can I only have /home?
[04:26] <Guest72715> I am trying to install steam on 16.04. fter installation, steam starts updating itself. That download is  275MB. I downloaded all the packages via wget and placed them in ~/.steam/packages . But when I start the steam, it clears this folder and restarts the download. Any way to get the steam use the pre downloaded files?
[04:47] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, You should have one mount point.
[04:48] <za1b1tsu> apb1963, can you tell me how to remove media/home mount point?
[04:48] <ubuntu814> can someone help me format a new hard drive in linux it never had any partitions on it it doesnt show up in GParted it doesnt show up in termianl 'lsblk' i can only see it if i type 'ls -lts /dev/sd*' i tryed to plug it in to the computer and install umbuntu on it is said the intallation was success and when it went to boot it brought me to Greb i dont know what to do it says it cannot read or write but it installed the partitions 
[04:49] <ubuntu814> ubuntu*
[04:49] <Ben64> ubuntu814: what comes up with that ls command
[04:50] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, you may have missed step 4.  In fact, you may want to verify you didn't skip any steps.
[04:51] <ubuntu814> Ben64: im actually using the computer right now but i have it plugged in in the other room to a laptop plugged in via USB but i did do ls when it went to greb but can remember what i saw
[04:53] <mg55`> hello, is this a common hing, after udating ubuntu your screen goes blank, not too sure why, perhaps i rebooted during the install?
[04:53] <za1b1tsu> apb1963, I forgot to do sudo mount -a
[04:53] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, You may have forgotten other things as well.  I would retrace and verify it all if I were you.
[04:54] <ubuntu814> Ben64: I can see it when i type 'ls -lts /dev/sd*' i 'sudo su' and then try to 'fdisk /dev/sdb' i get no medium found but it shows up as /dev/sdb in 'ls -lts /dev/sd*'
[04:54] <za1b1tsu> apb1963, Thank you, now I hav a partition with / and one with /home is this normal? '/' does not mean home?
[04:54] <za1b1tsu> I will
[04:54] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, / is the root of the file system.
[04:55] <mg55`> too bad, i was actually digging ubuntu until that happened, not sure if i wanna try it again, weird, the login screen worked however, then after i got a blank screen, after update, could be a spectra update?
[04:55] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, Everything goes under /
[04:56] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, whether you choose to have a different partition for /home is your choice
[04:56] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, it's a good choice IMHO... it's how I've got it here.
[04:56] <return> hi
[04:56] <za1b1tsu> apb1963 thank you
[04:56] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, you're welcome
[04:57] <return> how can i boot a cloud image on qemu? it just says "no bootable device".
[04:57] <Sveta> what do you mean by 'cloud image'? how is it different from a regular image?
[04:57] <ubuntu814> Ben64: also when i go to install ubuntu on the drive again i go under advanced to look at partitions and i can see all the needed partitions there the drive is 8TB i bought it blank no ubuntu boots i gave up went to install windows on the drive and get met with drive is GPT
[04:58] <mg55`> perhaps i can download the 17.10 iso
[04:58] <apb1963> za1b1tsu, I just partitioned a new disk into ten 10GB partitions, plus a ton of free space for later.  I will use those 10 partitions for different distributions and/or versions.  I will have one /home that I mount from each partition when I boot that partition.
[04:59] <return> its an image for virtual machines, as i understand it, created by canonical
[04:59] <mg55`> probably good idea, the ubuntu site gave me 16.04.3
[04:59] <return> for example you can run it on amazon servers directly
[04:59] <return> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[05:01] <nacc> return: uvtool is probably the easiest way
[05:04] <return> hm my host is running debian, not sure if i can install it
[05:06] <return> well maybe i will just install from a standard installation iso instead of trying to get the cloud image to run
[05:08] <mg55`> is 17.10 beta?
[05:08] <tomreyn> !17.10 | mg55`
[05:08] <tomreyn> so: no
[05:08] <nacc> return: sorry, what are you trying to do?
[05:08] <Sveta> mg55`: the version numbers are based on dates.
[05:08] <Sveta> mg55`: after 10th month of the 2017 year (i.e. October 2017), this version is released.
[05:09] <Sveta> mg55`: 18.04 will be out in April 2018; 18.10 will be out in October 2018. (assuming we don't die and the versioning stays the same)
[05:10] <mg55`> okay, why did the ubuntu site give me 1604
[05:10] <mg55`> weird
[05:10] <nacc> mg55`: because it offers LTS
[05:10] <return> running the cloud image i downloaded (xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64.img) in qemu on a debian machine
[05:11] <tomreyn> !lts | mg55`
[05:11] <nacc> Sveta: to be clear, future releases only have codenames (bionic), the version # is not set until the release occurs
[05:11] <mg55`> i see
[05:11] <Sveta> nacc: ok, thanks
[05:13] <nacc> return: i think you can google for it, but it's way easier to do from ubuntu itself, yeah
[05:13] <nacc> return: although this might help:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images
[05:13] <mg55`> where would be a link to 17.10
[05:15] <tomreyn> mg55`: here's one https://www.ubuntu.com/download
[05:15] <tomreyn> takes 3 more clicks from there, and not choosing the first option
[05:15] <mg55`> it brings me to 10,04
[05:15] <mg55`> or 16
[05:15] <mg55`> 16.4
[05:15] <nacc> mg55`: www.ubuntu.com -> desktop -> hover, 17.10
[05:15] <tomreyn> mg55`: what are you looking for, 17.04 for desktops or servers?
[05:16] <tomreyn> or somethign else?
[05:16] <return> thank you, i will see if i can get it to run
[05:16] <tomreyn> *17.10, sorry
[05:16] <mg55`> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[05:16] <mg55`> is that beta?
[05:16] <nacc> mg55`: no, why do you keep asking that?
[05:17] <mg55`> hehe, the link that says 17.10 Ubuntu bring you to 16.04.3
[05:17] <mg55`> no joke
[05:18] <nacc> mg55`: what link?
[05:18] <nacc> mg55`: the one i sent you?
[05:18] <mg55`> https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/1710
[05:18] <nacc> mg55`: scroll down.
[05:19] <nacc> mg55`: but 17.10 is discouraged until 17.10 dotrelease comes out due to a BIOS-killing issue
[05:19] <nacc> mg55`: as described on the 'get 17.10' linked page
[05:19] <tomreyn> mg55`: if you're new to ubuntu on the desktop i'd defintiely recommend running an LTs release anyways.
[05:20] <mg55`> okay, so i have to download 16.04 i get it because of bios killing issues
[05:21] <mg55`> well i did install 10.04, did a update, the gnome went blank after the update
[05:21] <mg55`> 16.04 i mean
[05:22] <tomreyn> what kind of an update? did you have thrid party package repositories or software installed? if so, which?
[05:22] <mg55`> i did it though the update repository thing
[05:22] <mg55`> no the ubuntu one, i downloaded nnothing
[05:23] <nacc> mg55`: gnome? or unity, do you mean?
[05:23] <mg55`> unity i am sorry
[05:24] <tomreyn> do you still have 16.04 installed? if you do and dont mind working on the temrinal for a bit you can probably have it fixed with some help from people over here.
[05:24] <mg55`> nah
[05:25] <mg55`> i ain't going though all that bio's crap to configure the video, worked great after the install though
[05:25] <mg55`> just the update killed it, the login screen worked however
[05:25] <tomreyn> it's unusual that a normal patch update would cause the screen to go blank on an unmodified LTS release.
[05:26] <mg55`> perhaps i rebooted when it was still installing
[05:26] <mg55`> it said it was finished though
[05:26] <tomreyn> how could it say that wehn the screen was blank?
[05:27] <mg55`> well it disappeared so i assumed it was finished, but hell it is free
[05:28] <mg55`> i am on centos now
[05:28] <antisol> weeeeeeeellllll... the screen will go blank if you don't move your mouse. I think the default timeout is 15 minutes. but it might be 5.
[05:28] <mg55`> nah, i did
[05:29] <mg55`> the mouse moved on the blank screen
[05:29] <mg55`> but the password came up
[05:29] <mg55`> login screen
[05:30] <antisol> this does not sound like a blank screen to me
[05:30] <mg55`> perhaps i sould try 17.04 to avoid the possible bios kill
[05:30] <antisol> you're better off with the LTS versions IMO.
[05:31] <mg55`> it was on the black screen for like 10 min, the mouse arrow could move
[05:31] <tomreyn> mg55`: it's pointless to speculate what happened with your LTS release now - neither you or we can now. next time you run ubuntu and run into anissue like this, feel free to come here ans ask for assistence while the issue remains. right now there is nothing we can do for you.
[05:31] <tomreyn> *can tell
[05:32] <Cosmo_> 0/
[05:32] <antisol> indeed. what tomreyn said.
[05:32] <Cosmo_> I have a question about distribution uprades.
[05:32] <Cosmo_> upgrades*
[05:33] <Sveta> Yes?
[05:33] <mg55`> okay i found the 17.10 here http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/
[05:33] <mg55`> i have a asus laptop will it kill the bios, lol
[05:33] <tomreyn> hello Cosmo_ feel free to just ask your questions right away.
[05:35] <tomreyn> mg55`: read the release notes the download page points you to, it contanis a link to a list of all models known to be affected.
[05:36] <nacc> mg55`: 17.04 should not be considered, it goes EOL in a week
[05:36] <Cosmo_> Well, I'm currently using xenial (16.04), a relatively fresh install. I'm using apt pinning to pull one package from bionic. It works and doesn't, won't, interfere with other dependancies. I checked. But I was wondering if in general it was be more advisable to upgrade to the distribution from which I want the package, even though it's potentially less stable, or continue to use pinning?
[05:37] <mg55`> ther isn't one
[05:37] <Cosmo_> Well, pull two packages, one is a dependancy which doesn't exist (any version) in xenial, so I figure that's moot.
[05:37] <mg55`> i did recall seeing acer and lanova
[05:38] <nacc> Cosmo_: it's completely unsupported to do what you're doing, fwiw
[05:38] <nacc> Cosmo_: so not, it is not advisable
[05:38] <nacc> Cosmo_: if you don't care about that, do what you want, you're root :)
[05:38] <Cosmo_> Hah yeah I suppose it's a bit of a moot question
[05:38] <tomreyn> Cosmo_: it's advisable to use the in-release version of a software unless you really need a newer version. in which case you have two possibly better options than pinning: upgrading (although do consider an LTS -> non-LTS release upgrade twice) and using a PPA (which can provide newer versions but are not supported by ubuntu).
[05:39] <tomreyn> mixing packages from different releases though apt pinning is not a great idea due to the dependency issues you already ran into
[05:40] <tomreyn> also not supported, as n4cc mentioned.
[05:40] <mg55`> i think asus systems should be ok for 17.10
[05:40] <Cosmo_> Yeah. I need the new version and there's no PPA. It's what I get for coming from arch I suppose. But is 18 (bionic) even supported yet?
[05:41] <nacc> Cosmo_: no, 18.04 is not yet released
[05:41] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | Cosmo_
[05:41] <tomreyn> )but there is no real support since its not released)
[05:42] <Cosmo_> okay so. Why is it that when I ran upgrade-manager -d it offered up 18.04 instead of 17.10?
[05:42] <Sveta> Cosmo_: bionic is discussed in another channel, you can get help there. i would not say 'not supported', but i would stress that the support is provided by different people (a group of testers), and bugs may be present.
[05:42] <nacc> Cosmo_: read `man upgrade-manager` ?
[05:42] <Cosmo_> nacc: point taken
[05:42] <antisol> cosmo_: the other option I would suggest is compiling from source. it's rarely difficult. you can probably install most of the dependencies by doing 'apt-get source <package>' to get the dependencies and source code for the older version.
[05:42] <nacc> Cosmo_: or `man do-release-upgrade` probably :)
[05:43] <Cosmo_> ty nacc
[05:44] <Cosmo_> And antisol yeah, I seem to forget that you can still get source-compiled packages registering into apt
[05:44] <antisol> I recommend using checkinstall rather than doing the 'make install' step of compiling. checkinstall builds a .deb from the current directory and installs that. makes it easy to remove/upgrade things you've compiled yourself.
[05:44] <Cosmo_> oh that is excellent advice, ty
[05:45] <antisol> the version of the source you get with apt-get source <package> will be old (in fact it's the packaged version), so that's not very useful. my point is that apt-get source <package> also installs all the dev dependencies like headers and whatnot.
[05:45] <antisol> np. just run 'sudo checkinstall' from the program directory instead of 'sudo make install'
[05:46] <Cosmo_> Ah.
[05:46] <antisol> BUT once you've done apt-get source, you can then clone the git repo of your program and compile that easily
[05:46] <Cosmo_> Yeah if I do the checkinstall will I still get the message: State: not a real package (virtual)? Or is that something kind of up to the dev?
[05:47] <antisol> in most cases the dependencies won't change all that much, though it's possible you'll run into issues (e.g the new version might require libsomething1.5 but you only have libsomething1.3 installed). That can be annoying but in most cases it's not an issue.
[05:47] <antisol> I have never seen that message before
[05:48] <antisol> not sure where it comes from or what it means.
[05:49] <Cosmo_> Well, I installed BSPWM from source and if I do apt show bspwm that's what I get
[05:49] <Cosmo_> but bspwm isn't from bionic; I did try installing the other package from deb-src as per the ubuntu documentation but that failed and I couldn't find support articles on it so I fell back on pinning.
[05:49] <antisol> oh yeah that's because there's no package for it. with checkinstall you won't get that, if you do apt-show <package> you'll get the details you put into checkinstall (it has a nice menu where you can set the version number and author and all that stuff)
[05:50] <Cosmo_> Sweet.
[05:50] <antisol> brb
[05:50] <antisol> I never ever do 'make install' these days. ever.
[05:50] <Cosmo_> I should probably just install most of this stuff from source instead of pinning, they're all active development anyway.
[05:51] <Cosmo_> Also, is there any way to rig something to check for 'updates' against a git repo?
[05:51] <antisol> yeah if you want the latest and greatest that's what I recommend doing
[05:51] <Cosmo_> just for notification purposes.
[05:52] <antisol> not easily that I'm aware of. if it's on github maybe you could star it and it might email you about new releases or something. That's a good question I'd be interested in seeing an answer for.
[05:52] <Cosmo_> It's less about latest and greatest and more about most of the packages in question coming from the arch community so only the latest version gets any support
[05:52] <antisol> right. that's a valid reason too.
[05:52] <antisol> ok brb now.
[05:52] <Cosmo_> kk
[05:55] <Cosmo_> I figure that since github has release version reporting and such it should be possible to write a script that does all the install from source stuff with checkinstall from the info on github, and compare versions that way. Assuming there's an API for reading the info
[05:57] <tripelb> i installed kodi and it doesnt show in the application tree. (how do I find which ubuntu I have. I use mate)
[05:58] <antisol> that would be a very cool thing to build. there definitely is a github API, I've used it. I haven't used the releases part but it's there: https://developer.github.com/v3/repos/releases/
[05:59] <Cosmo_> Great. If I get the time I'll look into doing it myself.
[05:59] <Cosmo_> It'd absolutely make life easier transitioning from arch xD
[05:59] <antisol> I'm tempted myself, it sounds like a really useful thing.
[05:59] <Cosmo_> Indeed
[06:00] <antisol> the project should be named 'bleedingedge' ;)
[06:00] <Cosmo_> It'd decently compensate for there being no centralised user repository (e.g. the AUR).
[06:00] <Cosmo_> Oh also
[06:00] <tripelb> hello I have mate .. how do I find out what my OS version is?
[06:00] <pi^gE^x4> anyone an iwatch ninga
[06:00] <pi^gE^x4> uname -a
[06:01] <dv`_> or cat /etc/issue
[06:01] <pi^gE^x4> haha that was wrong
[06:01] <Cosmo_> What's the deal with the ubuntu software center? I couldn't find a jdk doing a search but it offers up 'snaps' for Discord and Intellij IDEA?
[06:02] <antisol> you can also maybe use lsb_release -a to get the OS version
[06:02] <nacc> tripelb: lsb_release -a
[06:02] <nacc> Cosmo_: snaps are the future for a lot of ubuntu software, tbh
[06:02] <dv`_> tripelb: hostnamectl
[06:03] <Cosmo_> Yeah I thought it might be, seems like the appropriate equivilant to the AUR (which I was heavily dependant on).
[06:03] <tripelb> ok > this told me nothing.  uname -a
[06:03] <tripelb> Linux askinintheworld-559 4.4.0-104-generic #127-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 11 12:16:42 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:03] <Cosmo_> However, I cannot get them to work
[06:03] <antisol> yeah snaps do make a a lot of these issues go away.
[06:03] <antisol> uname is only the kernel version. try lsb_release -a
[06:03] <nacc> tripelb: uname is irrelevant to your question
[06:04] <nacc> Cosmo_: I don't know what AUR is, but i don't think snaps are exactly the same
[06:04] <nacc> Cosmo_: what do you mean, exactly (cannot get them to work)?
[06:04] <Cosmo_> the login thing just gave me "An error occured". I managed to accidentally bypass the login once but the installed software was broken and couldn't detect audio hardware to I had to manually download a dev anyway.
[06:04] <Cosmo_> download a .deb*
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !who | Cosmo_ pi antisol
[06:05] <nacc> Cosmo_: snaps are not ubuntu controlled (speaking generally), they come from upstream
[06:06] <tripelb> lsb command not found ...  hostnamectl YES I have 16.04.3  x86-64  >> I just installed kodi and it does NOT show up in the application tree.
[06:06] <nacc> tripelb: lsb_release
[06:06] <Cosmo_> antisol: The AUR is the Arch User Repository. It's basically an official but unsupported repo where the community can submit and manage their own packages, and contains a lot of packages for 3rd-party software like discord.
[06:06] <tripelb> dv`_, thanks for the command that worked.
[06:07] <nacc> Cosmo_: yeah that's not quite how snaps work
[06:07] <nacc> Cosmo_: 'official' snaps, at least, are from theupstream projects themselves
[06:08] <tripelb> nacc lsb_release    no LSB modules are available.  (but I got it hostnamectl
[06:08] <nacc> tripelb: as we said, `lsb_release -a`. I was just correcting your typo ( you said 'lsb command')
[06:09] <Cosmo_> naac: Well, many AUR packages download and package from upstream SFAIK. But what I meant is that it's the closest Ubuntu can get to the AUR, since the way the distros work is different
[06:09] <nacc> Cosmo_: maybe
[06:09] <tripelb> nacc yes that works too. thank you. (now I dont see kodi installed in my application tree)
[06:09] <nacc> Cosmo_: tbh, i think it's easier to just undrestand ubuntu on its own, unless you intend on also using arch
[06:10] <streetwitch> Could anyone assist me configuring any kind of email server on ubuntu?
[06:10] <Cosmo_> Yeah, it's just that arch is my strongest reference point, I haven't used ubuntu in like a decade
[06:10] <streetwitch> I'm using linode for a server
[06:10] <Cosmo_> Until now, anyway
[06:11] <nacc> Cosmo_: ah ok
[06:11] <mg55`> 25 minutes left
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> streetwitch: #ubuntu-server might help you on that
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> streetwitch: there's also a #linode channel
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: can we help you?
[06:12] <antisol> Cosmo_: the closest equivalent in ubuntu land is probably PPAs rather than snaps.
[06:13] <mg55`> i am about to install 1710 on a asus comp
[06:13] <mg55`> says 25min to finished, slow connection
[06:14] <Cosmo_> Eh, PPAs don't really have that much coverage.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: great you chosen for ubuntu, but please only ubuntu support in this channel
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | mg55`
[06:14] <Cosmo_> Functionally, yes, I suppose, antisol
[06:15] <antisol> there are a *huge* number of PPAs. They generally do 1 or 2 programs each. It's not the same as AUR but I think it's closer to AUR than snaps are.
[06:15] <Cosmo_> Well how do you find PPAs though?
[06:16] <Sveta> they are at launchpad
[06:16] <mg55`> i just did, any other comps beside acer and Lenovo that has a bios kill
[06:16] <Cosmo_> Sveta: what launchpad??
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: its reccomended to wait the new 17.10 iso's
[06:17] <Cosmo_> Err, what's the command to launch it?
[06:17] <nacc> !ppa | Cosmo_
[06:17] <nacc> Cosmo_: launchpad is a site/service
[06:17] <Cosmo_> Oh
[06:17] <pi^gE^x4> Hi  want to log all the infor to a file without email notification
[06:17] <Sveta> Cosmo_: sorry, I mean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[06:17] <mg55`> wait for the new 17.10?
[06:17] <Cosmo_> oh cool
[06:17] <antisol> yeah they're all on launchpad. Generally I find them because someone has recommended one on some forum thread. I've never seen a full (searchable) list of them. You might find something like https://askubuntu.com/questions/4983/what-are-ppas-and-how-do-i-use-them informative.
[06:19] <Cosmo_> Great, thanks
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: yes, would be reccomended, but as you already installing...
[06:20] <mg55`> would about the 17.04?
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: eol in few days
[06:21] <Cosmo_> Also! Is it normal to not be able to find a jdk in the software center or is probably just glitching out because I'm using an unsupported DE?
[06:22] <Cosmo_> I mean I got the jdk installed but still,
[06:23] <antisol> hmmm. I can't say about the software center, I use the command line. I actually installed a new machine just a month or so ago and in this process i did 'apt-cache search jdk' and found what I wanted.
[06:23] <Cosmo_> Yeah I've been doing that too I just find it weird
[06:23] <antisol> I'd guess it's probably not normal to not show up in the gui
[06:24] <Cosmo_> I'm wondering if the only stuff showing in the GUI are snaps.
[06:24] <antisol> no, they're definitely debs
[06:24] <Cosmo_> Everything I've recognised are snaps
[06:25] <Cosmo_> Like, definitely snaps. I installed one, and it was a snap.
[06:25] <antisol> ok, let me rephrase: "they definitely WERE debs". It's possible that they changed it so that it's only snaps (like I said I don't use it). But that seems like a stupid change to me. I'd show both.
[06:25] <Cosmo_> Plus they don't appear in apt-cache search
[06:26] <mg55`> do you thin i will surive the 17.10
[06:26] <Cosmo_> antisol: yeah this is my thinking
[06:26] <alkisg> Cosmo_: apt searches .debs, not snaps
[06:27] <antisol> he's asking about the software center gui, not apt. He says it's only showing snaps these days. I don't know because I haven't used it in many years.
[06:27] <Cosmo_> alkisg: Yes, that was my point
[06:28] <Cosmo_> I can't seem to find any non-snaps in it, so far, antisol
[06:28] <alkisg> Cosmo_: which software center, the ubuntu or the gnome one? which ubuntu version and flavor are you using?
[06:28] <Cosmo_> uh, "ubuntu-software" and Ubuntu vanilla (but I'm not using Unity), 16.04
[06:29] <antisol> Cosmo_: when I want a gui to install stuff I generally use synaptic. might be worth looking into
[06:29] <alkisg> Cosmo_: what does that "i'm not using unity" mean, which desktop are you using?
[06:29] <alkisg> Btw, ubuntu-software has been abandoned
[06:30] <alkisg> "software center" nowadays refers to "gnome-software"
[06:30] <antisol> heh, of course it has.
[06:31] <alkisg> ps aux|grep software would tell you
[06:31] <Cosmo_> Ah, lol, I think "ubuntu-software" is currently just an alias for gnome-software by the looks of the GUI. but I'll check the gnome one
[06:32] <Cosmo_> Uh, hybridised BSPWM (which is technically just a Window Manager) with some Unity services (e.g. the settings-daemon) running. It's semi-hand-baked. It's not any kind of official DE
[06:32] <Cosmo_> alkisg: ^
[06:32] <antisol> Cosmo_: may I ask why you are switching from arch, and how long you were using arch for? I've heard good things about arch and especially it's users and docs. I've considered checking it out on multiple occasions
[06:33] <alkisg> Cosmo_: if you're running gnome-software (check with ps), then it does have some issues with displaying things, which are solveable
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> !ot | antisol
[06:33] <alkisg> It wasn't very ready for 16.04
[06:33] <c06> hi all facing issue in networking need some suggestions.?
[06:34] <c06> https://sketch.io/render/sk-130e9c238d2fc739665221915fa8c50c.jpeg - my architecture looks like this.
[06:34] <antisol> !idgaff lotuspsychje
[06:34] <c06> from machine1 to VM unable to ping but from machine2 to machine1 communication established
[06:35] <Cosmo_> antisol: I used arch for about a year solidly after trying unsuccessfully to switch from windows the year before. Now I hate using windows because I prefer tiling window managers. It's good but it can be a pain to get started with, especially coming from windows. Maintanence and ongoing use is very smooth though.
[06:35] <antisol> c06: firewall perhaps? or maybe it's not routed correctly?
[06:35] <antisol> (on machine1 i mean)
[06:36] <c06> antisol: thank you let me chk rules are there
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> Cosmo_: not here please
[06:37] <antisol> yeah ubuntu is more the distro for people coming from windows. arch is more of a "you can do anything you want" distro from what I've heard.
[06:37] <Cosmo_> I switched because of niche issues with software I was trying to use for University. For some reason I ran into a half dozen compatability problems last semester after have virtually no issues before that. All niche software though.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> Cosmo_ antisol forwar to offtopic please
[06:37] <Cosmo_> Sorry.
[06:38] <antisol> lotuspsychje: sorry but it seems that the mod indicator is not showing next to your name. must be a bug.
[06:38] <Cosmo_> lotuspsychje: where /is/ offtopic?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> antisol: we are in the #ubuntu support community here, anyone can point this to you
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Cosmo_
[06:39] <Cosmo_> ty
[06:39] <antisol> well then why don't you have me kicked for my blatant rule violation
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> antisol: instead of mocking, have a little respect for the users that need actual support and perhaps read our !guidelines
[06:40] <antisol> users such as whom?
[06:40] <antisol> cool, thanks for the info.
[06:40] <antisol> Cosmo_: ^
[06:40] <antisol> also, !guidelines are not rules, are they?
[06:40] <antisol> so I reiterate: kick me if you have a problem, or shut up
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> antisol: move on please, if you have more questions ask in #ubuntu-ops please
[06:41] <antisol> no problem. Just as soon as you kick me.
[06:41] <Cosmo_> antisol: no worries. I'd be happy to discuss it further. Side-note: I'm not irc savy and I don't know how to resolve "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> Cosmo_: you need to register for offtopic
[06:42] <Cosmo_> Ah, register with freednode?
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> Cosmo_: yes
[06:42] <Cosmo_> Rightio
[06:42] <ducasse> !register | Cosmo_
[06:42] <antisol> who cares? this is a person who just loves rules and has nothing better to do than be a bureaucrat. There is nobody in the channel trying to discuss ubuntu support, so we're not causing anyone an issue by saying 3 things offtopic.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> !op | antisol does not understand offtopic
[06:43] <Cosmo_> antisol: Which is exactly why it's not worth debating IMO
[06:44] <antisol> yeah it's also not worth joining another channel
[06:44] <antisol> wouldn't talking constantly about how things are offtopic be offtopic?
[06:45] <Cosmo_> Well I'm likely to spend most of my time in offtopic anyway so I don't care or mind tbh
[06:46] <antisol> I don't usually hang out on IRC. I came here to get help with something and then found the solution by the time it had connected to the server. Then I figured I might as well stay and help people if they need it. But apparently that's not something that's welcome in this channel if you also want to be a social creature in any way.
[06:46] <c06> antisol: i am not finding any rules
[06:46] <c06> **firewall
[06:47] <return> you can just switch to one of the offtopic channels
[06:47] <antisol> c06: sudo iptables -L will give you a list of rules.
[06:48] <return> i prefer iptables -S though, it is more understandable imho
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> c06: there is also a ##networking channel if you like
[06:48] <antisol> soooo... helping people who want help is less important than strict adherence to the channel guidelines?
[06:48] <return> because iptables -L suppresses some details
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> antisol: stop that here please, move to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss to discuss it
[06:49] <c06> antisol: i ran that command and there is no rules related to that 10.10.10.x n/w
[06:50] <antisol> lotuspsychje: so...... discussing the guidelines is itself a violation of the guidelines? so your bureaucracy is offtopic too then?
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> antisol: to discuss guidelines there is #ubuntu-ops go ask there if you like?
[06:51] <antisol> hmmm ok. what about doing 'route'? I'm not really the guy to help you with routing. #networking is a good suggestion
[06:51] <rtbt> hi, I'm having an issue with what seems to be graphics card drivers. There are artifacts in the vertical lines, where small horizontal lines come off the vertical lines, making the screen look fuzzy.
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> antisol: can you understand this channel is for ubuntu support only?
[06:51] <rtbt> I've tried to change my drivers from nvidia to nouveau, but it hasn't changed anything
[06:51] <antisol> lotuspsychje: I sure can. I just don't care is all.
[06:51] <rtbt> I've also noticed that the grub menu doesn't have this issue, I've also tested wayland, and wayland has the same issue, so it's not specific to X
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> rtbt: can we see a screenshot of that? wich ubuntu version?
[06:52] <antisol> rtbt: that is really odd. have you got a screenshot?
[06:52] <rtbt> yes one moment
[06:52] <c06> i forgot to tell in machine2, there is one more bridge (br-brd1) using that one machine2 is communicating to machine1 now only found
[06:52] <rtbt> https://askubuntu.com/questions/888858/fuzzy-jagged-display-ubuntu-16-10-geforce-710a
[06:53] <antisol> c06: yeah that's starting to be a fairly complicated setup. I think someone in a networking channel is more likely to be able to help
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> rtbt: 16.10 is end of life
[06:53] <rtbt> this happens on multiple distros,
[06:53] <rtbt> i've currently upgraded to the latest mint
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> !mint | rtbt
[06:54] <c06> ok antisol i ll try over there thank you
[06:54] <rtbt> okay
[06:54] <rtbt> all good
[06:54] <rtbt> thanks
[06:54] <antisol> rtbt. That's weird indeed. My guess would be that it's going to be either a hardware thing or a driver thing, particularly if it's on multiple distros
[06:54] <antisol> rtbt: ^
[06:55] <rtbt> antisol: I think it's driver related, as in windows this doesn't happen, nor does it happen in freebsd
[06:55] <antisol> the fact that it doesn't happen in grub would seem to rule out a hardware issue, unless it's specific to certain graphics modes. I'm surprised it happens with both the proprietary drivers and the free ones. are you sure you switched to noveau successfully and you're not still running on the nvidia ones?
[06:56] <antisol> rtbt: yeah i would agree with that assessment.
[06:56] <rtbt> well the xorg.conf file was deleted when I changed drivers
[06:56] <BlueHalo> Hello?
[06:56] <rtbt> so I assume it's running on the default nouveau drivers now
[06:56] <rtbt> I might be wrong though
[06:56] <antisol> xorg.conf doesn't usually exist these days except in special circumstances.
[06:56] <rtbt> I'll check the logs
[06:57] <mg55`> welp, i chickened out, i ain't gonna install 17.10
[06:57] <return> c06: have you enabled forwarding on machine2?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: 16.04 real stable
[06:58] <mg55`> yea, but the update crashed
[06:58] <antisol> try doing 'glxinfo' on the command line. Near the top of the output you should see some indicator for either nvidia or noveau/mesa.
[06:59] <antisol> It should also say "Direct rendering: yes"
[06:59] <mg55`> ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64
[07:00] <rtbt> antisol: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Desktop  (0x412)
[07:00] <antisol> ok that sounds like the free drivers.
[07:01] <rtbt> direct rendering: yes
[07:01] <antisol> that's really weird and I don't know what is going on.
[07:01] <rtbt> antisol: I think the driver for this particular graphics card is buggy
[07:01] <antisol> yeah
[07:02] <rtbt> because it's an awful soldered to the motherboard all-in-one pc graphics card
[07:02] <rtbt> I'm going to have to throw it out a window I think.
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: yeah install that and wait for 18.04 in april?
[07:02] <antisol> I'd suggest checking what version of the nvidia drivers you had installed. You might try installing the drivers direct from the nvidia website (they have an installer which bypasses the normal setup mechanisms). I have also found nvidia's linux support people to be helpful in the past, so maybe it's worth asking them. just go through the regular driver download / support channels on the nvidia website and choose linux.
[07:03] <mg55`> do do the update?
[07:03] <mg55`> inside 16.04
[07:03] <antisol> or you could try asking the noveau people. They'd probably be interested in this too.
[07:03] <mg55`> i had to fixmbr
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: update from what
[07:03] <antisol> or a window also sounds like a reasonable alternative ;)
[07:03] <mg55`> the repository
[07:04] <rtbt> antisol: I might contact nvidia's linux support and nouveau before the window option
[07:04] <rtbt> if all else fails
[07:04] <mg55`> i did an update, probobaly was 17.10, qhat screwedit up
[07:04] <rtbt> the window it is.
[07:04] <rtbt> thanks for the help though
[07:04] <rtbt> I appreciate it
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: from 16.04?
[07:04] <antisol> hehe ok. They nvidia people are not all that quick to reply but they do reply and they're helpful.
[07:05] <antisol> no problem, happy to help. sorry I couldn't solve it for you.
[07:05] <rtbt> antisol: all good!
[07:05] <mg55`> yes, did a update that went blank
[07:05] <odroid> t5j7kkls
[07:05] <mg55`> however the login screen stayed
[07:05] <mg55`> weird
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> mg55`: thats not reccomended 16.04 to 17.10
[07:06] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: if you scroll up / check channel logs, you'll see a previous discussion on this topic with mg55
[07:06] <mg55`> yea, i was digging 16,04
[07:06] <mg55`> i think i will do it again
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: whats the diagnose?
[07:06] <mg55`> but not to the update
[07:07] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: there was none (there also wasnt much brought forward to work with), he installed centos instead, then came here to ask whether ubuntu releases are beta.
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: ok tnx 4 headsup
[07:08] <BlueHalo> m
[07:08] <BlueHalo> 33
[07:20] <tomreyn> welcome ;)
[07:25] <merkapto> l
[07:40] <antisol> yup, that's a vibrant channel right there. I can see why offtopic discussions are such a problem.
[07:55] <promach_> hi, I have https://paste.ubuntu.com/26351812/ but I still could not connect to internet for one of my Ubuntu box. May I know why ?
[07:56] <Fixion_> windows 10 should install under virtualbox in ubuntu right?
[07:56] <alkisg> promach_: for servers, there's a dedicated channel #ubuntu-server; this here is mostly for desktops, which use network-manager
[07:57] <EriC^^> Fixion_: yeah
[07:57] <Fixion_> I haven't personally tried it but someone said they were getting stuck at some microsoft terms screen ...
[07:57] <nagyg> Fixion_, I installed it once, yes
[07:57] <alkisg> Fixion_: it's working fine here
[07:59] <nagyg> I'd like to process an application log file so that I'd need to search for a string in it, then use a part of the matching line (thread id) to match n more lines in the file coming after the matched line. Is awk or sed more appropriate for this?
[08:00] <EriC^^> nagyg: awk should work
[08:01] <nagyg> EriC^^, could you pinpoint me what features of awk should I use (I need to read the doc first :) )
[08:03] <alkisg> nagyg: it would be easier if you pasted a sample of the log
[08:05] <EriC^^> nagyg: i dont know exactly, you could use a hack if you want where you get the thread id using awk and pass it to grep -A $(awk here..) file to get the n more lines, otherwise maybe someone else knows awk well
[08:13] <nagyg> EriC^^, thanks so far. grep -A would not work because I forgot to mention that these are not necessarily consecutive lines, there might be other stuff between them
[08:14] <nagyg> alkisg, pasting it here would ruin the chat I think :D but thanks
[08:14] <alkisg> !paste
[08:14] <nagyg> EriC^^, I have a look at awk anyway
[08:15] <alkisg> nagyg: there's pastebin for that
[08:15] <alkisg> There are numerous ways to do it, e.g. sed supports limiting between lines with the address1,address2 scheme
[08:15] <alkisg> And sometimes plain shell read var1 var2 etc are the easiest way
[08:17] <nagyg> alkisg, thanks, I have a look at those options
[08:17] <alkisg> ok
[08:21] <Fixion_> if anyone is interested to find out about the win10 install under vbox, the problem was memory allocation... try it with no less than 1 Gig and you should be ok... at least for the license/terms part of the installation...
[08:24] <nagyg> Fixion_, good to know, I'll be doing this soon as well
[08:54] <mocxz> hello
[09:00] <nagyg> hello mocxz
[09:12] <Nico88> Hi
[09:12] <xiaomi> hello
[09:12] <Nico88> whats up?
[09:12] <xiaomi> what?
[09:12] <Nico88> How are you?
[09:12] <xiaomi> i am fine
[09:13] <xiaomi> it is very cold outside
[09:13] <xiaomi> it is snowing
[09:13] <Nico88> From where are you?
[09:13] <xiaomi> japan
[09:14] <Nico88> Ok, I am from Switzerland
[09:15] <Nico88> hey
[09:15] <xiaomi> nice to meet you
[09:16] <Nico88> Yep, nice to meet you to!
[09:16] <Nico88> *too
[09:17] <mayankmadan> Hi everyone. Im having some problems with ubuntu 17.10. Im on a decent computer(i7 6700hq, 8gb RAM and gtx 950m) but it still takes more than 2 mins to boot. I am just not sure where to begin. Any help will be greatly appreciated
[09:17] <xiaomi> have you ever seen Linus Torvalds
[09:18] <rud0lf> he is my roommate
[09:18] <xiaomi> roommate?
[09:18] <xiaomi> jock?
[09:19] <xiaomi> it is pm 5:00 now
[09:19] <TJ-> mayankmadan: start with "systemd-analyze critical-chain"
[09:20] <EdwardIII> am i reading this right - there's no spectre kernel patch out yet? https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/
[09:20] <EdwardIII> i've flicked through the list for the relevant CVE numbers but only find a firefox patch
[09:22] <TJ-> EdwardIII: that's correct, Industry and the kernel dev's are working on it. It requires both CPU microcode updates and changes to operating systems and compilers
[09:22] <mayankmadan> TJ-, i dont quite understand that output
[09:22] <mayankmadan> what is it supposed to mean
[09:23] <EdwardIII> TJ-: chunky
[09:24] <EdwardIII> looks like they're hoping to release packages today though based on the NOTE at the bottom here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[09:25] <sdfgsdf> shit theres no spectre patch for ubuntu ?
[09:25] <sdfgsdf> wheres the github link
[09:25] <TJ-> EdwardIII: the kernel packages we've been testing since Sunday are for the meltdown issue (the Kernel Page Table Isolation patch-set)
[09:26] <EdwardIII> there aren't any known exploits yet afaik, is that right?
[09:26] <TJ-> There are 2 vulnerabilties, one Intel-only (Meltdown fixed by KPTI) and Spectre which requires a collection of cooperating fixes in CPU, OS, and compilers
[09:27] <TJ-> EdwardIII: Both research teams published Proofs of Concept, so we have to assume there are exploits
[09:27] <EdwardIII> right-o
[09:27] <TJ-> !kpti
[09:28] <TJ-> mayankmadan: the critical-chain output should show where the boot delay is happening by the timings it reports
[09:28] <EdwardIII> TJ-: is your feeling that KPTI will come first and patches for Spectre may take longer as it requires a bunch more changes?
[09:29] <TJ-> EdwardIII: kpti should be in the archives today, if we've had no major regressions reported
[09:31] <TJ-> EdwardIII: we've got several serious regressions reported so it may not, see for example bug #1741955
[09:34] <TJ-> EdwardIII: Looks like the regression is in building out-of-tree kernel modules like nvidia, virtualbox,  ndis-wrapper  etc
[09:34] <nagyg> Hi, is there any way to add a local DNS nameserver to systemd-resolve besides 127.0.0.53 it uses by default? I already have a dnsmasq setup that I want to use and the other solution I've read is to symlink resolved.conf or sth similar
[09:34] <EdwardIII> i'm also hearing buzz around serious performance issues, but just vague stuff (reddit threads, national radio that sort of thing - nothing specific)
[09:35] <EdwardIII> (and not specficially related to KPTI)
[09:40] <TJ-> * note to self: connect to charger *before* battery is exhausted :)
[09:43] <alkisg> TJ-: afaik letting the battery drop to 0% damages its health a bit, so yeah, charge it before 10% next time :)
[09:45] <TJ-> alkisg: it sure damages the running session!
[09:48] <TJ-> alkisg: here's a teaser of a problem for you, happened to me last night at midnight just as I was ready to pack up. Wanted to power up another PC. I use networked CDU (power controller) on a management VLAN via a wired Ethernet port. Couldn't ping. "Link down" and wouldn't detect cable.  Suspected cable, but cable checker said 'OK'. Suspected switch port, but other PC in port worked. patch cable PC <> PC
[09:48] <TJ-> didn't work. Checked physical port for debris/obstruction/bent pins. Suspected the KPTI kernel so tried several older kernels. No luck.
[09:49] <TJ-> alkisg: Tried changing BIOS settings. Tried powering down and removing battery for 30 seconds. Nothing. Started to suspect it'd need a soldering iron. Decided to leave it off with battery out overnight. Powered up this morning, all is well again :D
[09:50] <alkisg> TJ-: I've seen similar issues a lot of times, the workaround was to unplug the power cord, try to power up the pc so as for the capacitors to get discharged, and finally re-plug the power cord and then it booted normally
[09:50] <TJ-> alkisg: first time that's happened in over 7 years
[09:50] <promach_> How should I go around https://paste.ubuntu.com/26352180/ for gcc 7 on ARM processor ?
[09:51] <alkisg> TJ-: so I assume that the problem is some current staying in the NIC itself, maintaining some bad hardware state
[09:52] <TJ-> alkisg: yeah, that's what I did with the 30-second battery out test. pressed the power button to discharge capacities in the power-on circuitry. Seems like it needed a much longer period to allow leakage to discharge because the affected part wasn't affected by power-on circuitry
[09:52] <alkisg> TJ-: was the power cord removed at the time when you did that?
[09:52] <omairqazi> hi
[09:54] <TJ-> promach_: the repo is for the 12.04 "precise" release which that PPA no longer publishes (it only has packages for 14.04 Trusty and 16.04 Xenial)  https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/gcc-7.1/+packages
[09:54] <alkisg> TJ-: in my experience, removing the battery wasn't needed, only removing the power cord, and pressing the power on button at that time
[09:55] <TJ-> alkisg: it needed to lose the battery; the battery was fully charged when the issue happened last night
[09:55] <promach_> how do I check my ubuntu release version ?
[09:55] <alkisg> The battery shouldn't be related to the pci bus at all..
[09:55] <promach_> oh, mine one is precise
[09:55] <benutzer> Hallo
[09:55] <TJ-> alkisg: battery discharge is unrelated except in that I'd forgotten to reconnect the charger after fixing the NIC :)
[09:55] <alkisg> Haha
[09:55] <benutzer> Hello :D
[09:56] <TJ-> promach_: 12.04 precise is no longer supported
[09:56] <benutzer> Whats up ?
[09:57] <promach_> ok
[09:57] <TJ-> benutzer: The Sun. But what can we help you with?
[09:57] <DevAntoine> gosh, pairing a bluetooth speaker with ubuntu is such a pain
[09:57] <EdwardIII> promach_: cat /etc/issue
[09:57] <EdwardIII> TJ-: thanks for all your help clarifying things on the vulnerabilities - it was really helpful
[09:58] <DevAntoine> It pairs automatically but pulseaudio do not find the bluetooth output unless you delete the device and add it back
[09:58] <DevAntoine> and then each time you pair it you've got the select chrome's playback to the bluetooth speaker
[09:58] <DevAntoine> that's really awful
[09:59] <benutzer> Thats nice :D
[09:59] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I've not had problems in that regard. are you sure it's PA causing the issue and not the desktop's own Sound Settings component? We've seen issues like that several times with Unity and Gnome and desktops
[10:00] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I don't know, I'm using XFCE
[10:00] <promach_> EdwardIII: thanks
[10:00] <TJ-> DevAntoine: Are you using the pavucontrol ?
[10:00] <DevAntoine> I'm not able to output sound to the bluetooth device anymore today, I've paired it again but pulseaudio does not see it...
[10:01] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I don't know, I don't think so
[10:01] <TJ-> DevAntoine: hmmm, any clues in /var/log/syslog or in $HOME/.xsession-errors ?
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[10:02] <DevAntoine> TJ-: nop, nothing in the logs
[10:02] <TJ-> DevAntoine: run "pavucontrol" (install if needed) and check if the BT speaker is offered on the Output Devices tab
[10:02] <benutzer> big black cook
[10:03] <benutzer> Its Fantasik :D
[10:03] <DevAntoine> TJ-: oh yeah so that's what I'm using and no, the bt is not listed in the output devices tab
[10:03] <DevAntoine> but yesterday it was...
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[10:04] <TJ-> DevAntoine: hmmm! can you show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[10:04] <benutzer> no
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[10:04] <DevAntoine> TJ-: wow, I didn't know there were pastebin support, awesome!
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[10:05] <Flannel> benutzer: Please be professional and family friendly in here.
[10:05] <DevAntoine> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26352235/
[10:05] <benutzer> finger in asshole feels like suck a lollipop
[10:06] <DevAntoine> TJ-: in the bt devices list when I right click on my speaker and then click on "audio profile" nothing happens
[10:06] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I think I see a clue... you've suspended/resumed the PC haven't you?
[10:06] <DevAntoine> TJ-: yes
[10:07] <DevAntoine> Usually I don't shutdown the machine for at least 40 days
[10:07] <TJ-> DevAntoine: can you try it from a cold boot. Connect to speaker, disconnect, reconnect see if it behaves differently. If so I think you need an ACPI workaround. See my article here:  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:08] <DevAntoine> TJ-: tbh I don't want to reboot now, too much stuff running
[10:08] <DevAntoine> but I'll read you're article :)
[10:08] <DevAntoine> (fyi I've got a Thinkpad W550S)
[10:08] <TJ-> DevAntoine: OK, well I'm reasonably confident it's an ACPI issue, we see these kind of issues very frequently
[10:09] <DevAntoine> TJ-: even in 2018? -_-'
[10:09] <TJ-> DevAntoine: more so now, you'll understand why once you've read the article
[10:09] <TJ-> it contains a workaround script, quite easy to apply the workaround manually too.
[10:11] <DevAntoine> TJ-: but why does it work when booting? The part of the ACPI handling the suspend feature is not completely configured?
[10:12] <Lachezar> Hey all. I am not sure if I understand this correctly:
[10:12] <TJ-> DevAntoine: because the DSDT code does different things on resume compared to cold-boot
[10:12] <Lachezar> In *Ubuntu is the Docker systemd service lazy?
[10:13] <Lachezar> ... by default?
[10:13] <deem> Lachezar: what do you mean by "lazy"?
[10:14] <DevAntoine> TJ-: output: Linux kernel command-line parameters required: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[10:15] <TJ-> DevAntoine: right
[10:15] <Lachezar> deem: It's not run on/after boot, but waits until someone 'knocks' the related UNIX socket
[10:15] <Lachezar> I'm trying to understand why I need to 'docker ps' in order to start my containers.
[10:15] <DevAntoine> TJ-: modified command line is exactly the same than existing command line
[10:16] <deem> Lachezar: interesting. i did not know that. maybe you can alter the behaviour by using systemctl?
[10:16] <TJ-> DevAntoine: you're already using acpi_osi= ?
[10:18] <tomeaton17> Cant wait for jan 11 can finally try 17.10
[10:18] <DevAntoine> TJ-: Existing Command Line: BOOT_IMAGE=/dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff
[10:18] <Lachezar> deem: 1. How? I don't understand systemd. 2. Can I find out what is the default behaviour, or did I do somethign to cause it?
[10:18] <TJ-> DevAntoine: oh, so no you don't have it. So it is worth testing whether it solves it
[10:19] <DevAntoine> TJ-: so I edit the file manually then considering the sed command doesn't work?
[10:19] <DevAntoine> Modified Command Line: BOOT_IMAGE=/dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff
[10:19] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I just tested with pavucontrol connecting my BT speaker and it instantly appears in pavuctrol Output Devices tab and disappears again when I disconnect it
[10:19] <deem> Lachezar: seems like its the default behaviour. but i'm sure that some older releases didn't had this behaviour
[10:19] <DevAntoine> TJ-: well, that's what it did yesterday
[10:19] <TJ-> DevAntoine: yes, edit manually
[10:20] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I add it after $vt_handoff?
[10:20] <Lachezar> deem: I have a hunch, that this might differ between Ubuntu Server and *Ubuntu desktops.
[10:21] <TJ-> DevAntoine: there will be no $vt_handoff in /etc/default/grub
[10:21] <DevAntoine> TJ-: yeah, I see
[10:21] <DevAntoine> but there the following: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[10:22] <DevAntoine> oO
[10:22] <zamanf> hello
[10:22] <DevAntoine> TJ-: ok, so I've got a fix for your script :D
[10:22] <alkisg> Hello
[10:22] <DevAntoine> run grub-update before echoing the modified line ;)
[10:23] <DevAntoine> Modified Command Line: BOOT_IMAGE=/dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root ro  acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" quiet splash $vt_handoff
[10:23] <TJ-> DevAntoine: hahaha yes that would help!
[10:23] <zamanf> Is it possible using Ubuntu, to open 2 music players and the sound not interact with each other, only for streaming purposes?
[10:23] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I'm rebooting
[10:24] <vy> Hello! Isn't Meltdown & Spectre upgrades supposed to be released today? Am I missing sth?
[10:24] <TJ-> zamanf: if the PC has multiple output devices, yes, via Pulseaudio you can 'move' output streams to other devices
[10:25] <zamanf> TJ-, I Want to stream sound through the internet to remote locations
[10:25] <TJ-> vy: KPTI patches for Meltdown are still being tested. Regressions were found with out-of-tree modules
[10:25] <TJ-> zamanf: Oh, well Pulseaudio can do network streaming too
[10:25] <vy> TJ-: Hrm... Thanks for the info. How can I track the progress of those upgrades?
[10:25] <zamanf> without the need of multiple output devices?
[10:26] <TJ-> vy: bug #1741955 and you can test the kernel images from https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/pti/+packages
[10:27] <TJ-> zamanf: to stream using PA from PC1 to PC2, PC1 needs the PA network source module configuring and PC2 needs the network sink module. I've done it for creating a multi-room sound system that can follow me around the house
[10:34] <zamanf> TJ-, I am not sure if I understand exactly what you said. Have to research it
[10:36] <TJ-> zamanf: does this make it clearer? http://www.willprice.org/2013/05/10/pulseaudio-network-streaming.html
[10:37] <zamanf> seems understandable. I will start by getting PA
[10:45] <TJ-> zamanf: Pulseaudio is the default sound system
[10:50] <zamanf> TJ-, yep - I wasn't aware of it
[10:52] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I had multiple errors when Ubuntu had finish booting
[10:53] <DevAntoine> Two unknown errors and one related to the kernel 4.4.0-14, weird
[10:53] <TJ-> DevAntoine: what kind of errors? reported by the GUI error reporter, or in the kernel messages ?
[10:53] <DevAntoine> TJ-: GUI error
[10:53] <DevAntoine> Don't know where I can find them
[10:56] <TJ-> DevAntoine: OK, usually they pop up on next boot when there are saved crash reports. The crashes that caused them probably happened during your previous 40-day of uptime!
[10:56] <DevAntoine> oh, that makes sense
[10:57] <DevAntoine> Is there a way to not switch Chrome's playback in the pulseaudio settings when I'm switching audio output? That's tedious
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[10:57] <TJ-> DevAntoine: automatically when the BT sink is connected?
[10:58] <DevAntoine> TJ-: that would be nice
[10:58] <DevAntoine> TJ-: because it stays on the audio speakers
[10:59] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I don't use Chrome. I've just tested using Firefox playing an audio file and connected the BT speaker and pulseaudio automatically switched from the PC speakers to the BT speaker
[11:00] <TJ-> DevAntoine: this is on 16.04 Xenial
[11:00] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I'm disconnected from all the sites I was logged in, is their a link with the change in the ACPI?
[11:00] <DevAntoine> TJ-: erf, thanks :(
[11:00] <TJ-> DevAntoine: you wanted my article link again? http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[11:01] <DevAntoine> hum, I meant "is it related to the ACPI change"?
[11:01] <TJ-> DevAntoine: If the BT is connecting it looks like the issue is in the desktop. I'm using Lubuntu session here, and checking on PA config using pavucontrol.
[11:02] <DevAntoine> TJ-: the bluetooth is pairing, I see the BT output in PA but I need to set it has the default output and then set chrome's playback to it
[11:02] <DevAntoine> :/
[11:02] <TJ-> DevAntoine: how do you mean, 'disconnected from the sites I was logged in' ? You mean SSH sessions? web site sessions?
[11:02] <DevAntoine> TJ-: website session. It may be cause by Chrome's update, I was just curious
[11:02] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I don't need to change anything. Which desktop are you using?
[11:02] <TJ-> DevAntoine: acpi changes won't affect that
[11:02] <DevAntoine> TJ-: XFCE
[11:03] <_pronet_>  Hello. i have a problem, Ive recently installed (backport v4 #latest drivers) there after rebooting i cannot see the when i type ifconfig / iwconfig.. this also made my enable wireless option on the network tools bar to disappear. How do i fix this?
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[11:04] <TJ-> DevAntoine: it could be a gnome issue, since XFCE uses a lot of gnome under the hood
[11:05] <shenglin> hello
[11:05] <shenglin> :user
[11:05] <shenglin> quit
[11:07] <blueskan> leave
[11:47] <fabibz> leave
[11:47] <mocxz> hello
[12:00] <crankslider> hello. how do I add changed to /etc/hosts permanently? Every time I a new network device appears or disappears, /etc/hosts is regenerated and my records are deleted.
[12:02] <DrGrov> Hello everyone! A quick question, any good tools to have a network monitor in 16.04? Preferrably one that has logging possibilities
[12:03] <hateball> DrGrov: By network monitor, what do you mean?
[12:03] <hateball> DrGrov: is it your local machines ip traffic, or do you want to monitor hosts and services across a network?
[12:05] <DrGrov> hateball: Hi. Yes, for my local machines connected through the router via a 4-port switch. I would like to see the traffic through the switch itself.
[12:06] <hateball> DrGrov: well then you'd need to route all traffic across your logging machine. Does your router not provide this functionality?
[12:07] <DrGrov> hateball: Yes, my router provides logging and QoS but.... Ah but now I know.
[12:07] <DrGrov> hateball: What I actually mean is to have a monitor that only shows downstream and upstream connections
[12:07] <hateball> DrGrov: does your switch have snmp?
[12:08] <DrGrov> hateball: Unfortunately not, it is a non-manageable switch
[12:09] <hateball> Then I don't see how you would achieve it other than intercepting the traffic
[12:09] <hateball> Does the router have SNMP?
[12:09] <DrGrov> hateball: Yes, the router has SNMP if I recall correctly. Will verify that.
[12:10] <hateball> DrGrov: Then there is for instance MRTG to poll and graph traffic on an interface
[12:11] <crankslider> Every time a new network device is added/removed, /etc/hosts is regenerated (and I lose records there). This line appears ¨# This file is automatically generated by /sbin/hostname.sh¨. But /sbin/hostname.sh is not present in the system
[12:11] <DrGrov> hateball: I can see the traffic on all interfaces. That is fine. I am certain that I am explaining myself rather clumsy.
[12:11] <hateball> then again, the traffic would be handled within the switch once all machines have each others mac in arp
[12:12] <DrGrov> hateball: Is there any sort of CLI app that only shows current status, both downstream/upstream?
[12:12] <DrGrov> Like a logger or sorts?
[12:14] <DrGrov> hateball: I mean having something like xsensors showing CPU temperature. Same idea but only per session based logging.
[12:14] <TJ-> crankslider: looks like you've previously implemented this http://xmodulo.com/how-to-set-up-proxy-auto-config-on-ubuntu-desktop.html
[12:14] <hateball> DrGrov: well you can run iftop on your local machine
[12:15] <hateball> DrGrov: but as I understood it you wanted 1 machine to monitor anything running across a switch
[12:15] <sda> I'd like to create a .deb package from my C++ project. Is there any tool that can collect the necessary libraries and plugins and put into the .deb file?
[12:15] <hateball> DrGrov: for local traffic logging there's eg vnstat or darkstat as well
[12:16] <DrGrov> hateball: Yes, that would be optimal. But I will rely on the router itself for the time being. It does it quite handy but requires always a browser of sorts.
[12:16] <TJ-> sda: see http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[12:16] <DrGrov> hateball: I will try iftop, vnstat or darkstat to see whether that is what I need.
[12:16] <DrGrov> hateball: Thank you for your kind help
[12:18] <rezzed> After installing ubuntu 16.04, I can't get my computer to boot from cd. The linux installation was okay (dual-boot w/ win10), but now when I try to boot from linux live cd, it goes straight to grub. The boot order in BIOS is set to boot from cd. Any ideas?
[12:19] <hateball> DrGrov: if you want to query the router somehow not in a browser then snmp really is the only way, and even then I dont know of a tool that does it in realtime so you would need to write your own or adapt something
[12:19] <Torgeir> I want to install ubuntu on a computer that is not able to boot from anything els than its internal HDD. My plan is to attach this drive to another computer, place install files on it, and boot from that, and install to itself (the same drive). Is this possible?
[12:19] <hateball> Torgeir: you could likely install in the other machine and just move the disk over
[12:20] <hateball> Torgeir: exception being if you install nvidia binary driver
[12:20] <Torgeir> hateball: Wont that cause hardware problems? With drivers and such. Installing with other hardware
[12:20] <hateball> Torgeir: nah
[12:20] <hateball> Torgeir: well, with few exceptions like nvidia binary. otherwise the kernel should figure it out at boot time
[12:20] <Torgeir> maybea i can use VMware and install ubuntu on that drive mounted over USB then?
[12:21] <DrGrov> hateball: Okay I see, will dig in to the router a bit more thorough after a while.
[12:21] <DrGrov> hateball: Do you have experience of a good working QoS with MAC filtering enabled on all devices?
[12:21] <Torgeir> hateball: Because i dont have a second pc i can install ubuntu on it from. Just got a mac, and that wont work well :P
[12:21] <hateball> DrGrov: I do not
[12:22] <hateball> Torgeir: right
[12:22] <hateball> Torgeir: no idea how well it would work install to a drive in USB passthrough mode, if it is even possible
[12:22] <DrGrov> hateball: Okay
[12:23] <DrGrov> hateball: Thank you for your kind help and have a good day! :)
[12:23] <hateball> DrGrov: :)
[12:24] <Torgeir> hateball: But do you think placing installer on one partition, and install to another partition on the same drive sounds like troubble?
[12:25] <zertyu> hi there
[12:25] <TJ-> Torgeir: the VM route is a good one; I've used that many times
[12:25] <hateball> Torgeir: I think the installer will probably not like it when it comes to installing the bootloader, I'd sooner try a VM if possible
[12:26] <Torgeir> hateball: Okey, thanks.
[12:26] <zertyu> i m getting this error during apt update
[12:26] <zertyu> W: http://packages.elastic.co/kibana/4.5/debian/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 46095ACC8548582C1A2699A9D27D666CD88E42B4 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[12:26] <crankslider> TJ-, thanks. I´ve found /etc/hosts.custom. So I guess I should put what I want to this file. And changes will be reflected in /etc/hosts.
[12:26] <Torgeir> TJ-: Ok. Vmware Fusion or Workstation?
[12:26] <zertyu> what is it ?
[12:27] <TJ-> Torgeir: I don't use VMware so I couldn't say
[12:29] <zertyu>  Signature by key 46095ACC8548582C1A2699A9D27D666CD88E42B4 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[12:29] <zertyu> anyone know what is it ?
[12:30] <hateball> zertyu: yes, you're using a third party repo with a weak key
[12:30] <hateball> zertyu: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal
[12:32] <sda> I am using ldd ./program to collect libraries that the program depends on and go to the directories manually and copy the files. Is there any tool that can do the work automatically?
[12:36] <konimex> i don't know about program, but i think you can make a simple bash scripts for that
[12:36] <TJ-> sda: that's not how we work with Ubuntu packages, the system provides the libraries, not the application. If your application needs specific library versions that the distro doesn't install then you should package your application as a 'snap'
[12:43] <roses> when is the meltdown patch being released?
[12:43] <Ben64> !kpti
[12:44] <roses> im from europe and I meant if I have to wait to 09>00 us time for the coordinated release
[12:45] <hateball> I think release times are generally GMT-ish
[12:46] <roses> a...
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:49] <zertyu> i still got the sames issue
[12:49] <zertyu> even after deleting the key
[12:50] <zertyu> W: http://packages.elastic.co/kibana/4.5/debian/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 46095ACC8548582C1A2699A9D27D666CD88E42B4 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[12:50] <zertyu> how to fixe it ?
[12:53] <sw0rdy> hi, 16.04 is using Unity Desktop right?
[12:53] <ilmaisin> sw0rdy: yes
[12:54] <sw0rdy> is it easier to transform 16.04 to look like a Mac or 17.04 is better to achieve that?
[12:55] <catmando> hey all
[12:55] <catmando> i'm trying to find tog-pegasus-libs for ubuntu
[12:55] <catmando> but i'm not having any luck
[12:55] <catmando> any ideas?
[12:55] <sw0rdy> ilmaisin ^
[13:01] <matglas> hi there, regarding meltdown and spectre. Are there any remote exploits already known to be out there?
[13:01] <NuttyNutterson> How do you open tty1?
[13:01] <NuttyNutterson> In Ubuntu Gnome 17.04
[13:02] <NuttyNutterson> ctrl + alt + f1 doesn't work
[13:02] <shiroininja> try ctrl+alt+F4
[13:04] <ilmaisin> sw0rdy: i am not sure, both unity and gnome3 seem to have mac-like themes, though unity's taskbar behaviour is probably more mac-like by default
[13:05] <Langley> sw0rdy, maybe you would like elementaryOS more
[13:09] <sw0rdy> Langley: nah I don't know linux so I'm gonna stick to ubuntu for the huge community and will use Macbuntu to transform my ubuntu... I mean I already installed eOS but I can't run it well without support.
[13:19] <matglas> How would I be able to install a updated kernel on 12.04 from the canonical repo? I have been able to install the 3.13 kernel from the linux-image-general-lts-trusty but as I understand this will not receive a update.
[13:19] <TJ-> matglas: do you mean for the 12.04 extended support?
[13:20] <matglas> no I don't have extrended
[13:20] <matglas> Thats the problem.
[13:20] <Henk_> I installed a kernel by using ukuu
[13:20] <TJ-> matglas: right, because we don't support 12.04 any more. Generally though you can install any kernel image version that supports the architecture
[13:21] <Henk_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/ukuu-easy-way-to-install-mainline-kernel-ubuntu
[13:21] <matglas> The architecture is like x86_64 right?
[13:22] <Henk_> I'm not sure from which release ukuu is working
[13:23] <matglas> TJ-, thanks. So I can use the ppa mentioned here from canonical https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[13:24] <TJ-> matglas: yes
[13:24] <matglas> TJ-, thats helpfull. Great!
[13:26] <sw0rdy> does 17.10 have any bios issues remaining_
[13:28] <FenJai> I have an external HDD plugged into my ubuntu 16.04 server. The drive appears in lsusb but not /media or /dev so I cant mount it. I can see it being connected in dsmesg but I cant mount it. What am I doing wrong here ?
[13:28] <TJ-> sw0rdy: the kernels were fixed almost immediately, and the new ISOs are available in release/daily  for testing
[13:29] <Langley> FenJai, what about GParted?
[13:30] <sw0rdy> TJ-: if an issue rises after I format and install 17.10, can I just reformat with 16.04?
[13:30] <sw0rdy> even though I don't see my model in the list of affected models
[13:32] <akik> FenJai: the hdd should be available in /media/username/something, not directly in /media. you can list all your storage devices with "sudo fdisk -l"
[13:32] <FenJai> I'll try gparted Langley
[13:33] <FenJai> sudo fdisk -l doesnt show the external disk akik
[13:34] <akik> FenJai: you can also inspect the "dmesg" output at the time when you connect it to your computer
[13:34] <FenJai> dmesg reports its connected akik
[13:35] <akik> FenJai: you should see this kind of line showing the disk's partitions "[ 1877.405325]  sdb: sdb1 sdb2
[13:35] <TJ-> sw0rdy: With the new images an issue won't arise due to the INTEL_SPI_PLATFORM driver since it has been disabled
[13:37] <FenJai> akik, no mention of partitions. Just device info: https://pastebin.com/6XT8m1TM
[13:39] <sw0rdy> oh ok
[13:39] <akik> FenJai: do you have a usb 2.0 port in your machine? i found a report saying it would not show up on usb 3.0 port
[13:39] <FenJai> Let me check
[13:40] <sw0rdy> TJ-: then why don't they have a download mirror on ubuntu.com for 17.10 they still didn't enable that
[13:40] <sw0rdy> only available via bittorrent
[13:42] <TJ-> sw0rdy: The images are being tested to ensure no regressions
[13:43] <sw0rdy> ok TJ-
[13:43] <TJ-> sw0rdy: tthe ISOs are available via HTTP too
[13:43] <sw0rdy> thanks
[13:43] <FenJai> Same thing happens when I plug it in to a USB 2 port akik
[13:44] <sw0rdy> TJ-: from ubuntu.com ?
[13:44] <sw0rdy> I'm trying to find them
[13:44] <TJ-> sw0rdy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/artful/daily-live/20180105.1/
[13:45] <sw0rdy> nice
[13:45] <sw0rdy> and that was fast :D
[13:45] <TJ-> sw0rdy: ISO QA test tracker is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/385/builds
[13:45] <sw0rdy> I as going to this link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors before you found that
[13:49] <TJ-> FenJai: have you tried "sudo modprobe usb_storage" ?
[13:50] <FenJai> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.0-96-generic/modules.dep.bin'
[13:50] <FenJai> modprobe: FATAL: Module usb_storage not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-96-generic
[13:50] <FenJai> So does that indicate a kernal issue TJ- ?
[13:50] <TJ-> FenJai: let me check, it may be built in or have changed name
[13:52] <FenJai> Im getting the same error for modprobe usb-uhci, modprobe usb-ohci and modprobe usb-storage TJ-
[13:52] <TJ-> FenJai: try "find /lib/modules/ -type f -name 'usb-storage.ko'  "
[13:53] <TJ-> FenJai: maybe able to fix the depmod issue with "sudo depmod -a 4.4.0-96-generic"
[13:53] <FenJai> Its here TJ- /lib/modules/4.4.0-104-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko
[13:54] <TJ-> FenJai: once you've done the depmod, retry the modprobe
[13:55] <FenJai> Weirdly, it cant find the file depmod: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/4.4.0-96-generic/modules.order: No such file or directory
[13:58] <TJ-> FenJai: It sounds like the linux-image files are missing, which doesn't seem good
[13:58] <TJ-> FenJai: has the system run out of free space or inodes? ("df -h" and "df -ih")
[13:59] <ppf> can i have mount not fail if something is already mounted?
[13:59] <FenJai> TJ-, Seemingly both are fine: https://pastebin.com/Sn98bkFG
[14:00] <FenJai> Anyway I can download the images again ?
[14:00] <TJ-> FenJai: try reinstalling the package: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-4.4.0-96-generic"
[14:02] <FenJai> reinstalled, modprobe and depmod executed with any errors
[14:03] <TJ-> FenJai: OK, are the partitions seen now?
[14:04] <TJ-> FenJai: if not you may also need "sudo modprobe uas" -- this should all be done by udev when you hotplug the device after a reboot
[14:07] <FenJai> Yup, its coming up now. Its not auto mounting to /media but I can try mount it manually now
[14:07] <FenJai> So what was the issue TJ- ?
[14:08] <A24D2n1_B124V0> hallo
[14:13] <TJ-> FenJai: somehow you'd broken the linux-image install so module lists weren't correctly built by depmod, so udev couldn't insert modules on demand
[14:13] <TJ-> FenJai: you can use "udisksctl mount --block /dev/sdXY" to mount to /media/$USER/ if the file-manager/DE doesn't do it automatically
[14:26] <daver> hi guys
[14:26] <daver> need some help with ubuntu server 16.04
[14:27] <daver> dont get the ethernet interface to receive dhcp lease
[14:27] <daver> tried everything i could find on the web
[14:27] <daver> already edited apparmor profiles to exclude dhclient
[14:27] <daver> nothing worked
[14:27] <daver> any suggestions
[14:28] <hringriin> Hello. Is there any chance to recover the file /var/lib/dpkg/status w/o having *anything* in /var/lib/backup due to an emergency shutdown of my vserver provider? I was working on the server but on non-dpkg/non-apt related things. The filesystem went readonly and opening vim e.g. caused pages of errors.
[14:36] <lugg> hello, I did a recent update (dist-update) and after rebooting, my laptop no longer sees a bootable drive. I've gotten as far as creating a bootable "System Rescue CD" thing and GParted sees my hard drive, but I'm not really sure what to do. Can anyone please help?
[14:37] <DevAntoine> TJ-: so, after turning off and on again the bluetooth speaker my laptop does reconnect to it but I still have to set it as the default output in PA
[14:37] <hringriin> daver: did you change your dhclient.conf in /etc/dhcp in any way?
[14:38] <hringriin> lugg: if you see your device while booting a live-system, try to chroot and figure out, whether your grub/syslinux/... config might have changed
[14:39] <EriC^^> lugg: can you get a terminal in the gparted boot cd?
[14:39] <lugg> EriC^^: yes
[14:39] <EriC^^> lugg: type 'sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999'
[14:40] <jk^> !tor
[14:40] <lugg> let me try to get this online
[14:41] <EriC^^> lugg: nevermind, try 'parted -l | grep ext'
[14:42] <EriC^^> lugg: does the disk show up in the bios?
[14:42] <lugg> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LZCqDuCN/1515508941.JPG
[14:42] <lugg> yes, bios sees it, so I'm hopeful I can get data off of it?
[14:43] <EriC^^> lugg: yeah, try just 'parted -ls'
[14:43] <EriC^^> lugg: did you also update windows at the same time?
[14:43] <lugg> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/L2g1O442/1515509026.JPG
[14:44] <lugg> sorry for the terrible photos but I guess this is the best I can do, lol
[14:44] <EriC^^> lugg: it looks like the partition table is missing
[14:44] <lugg> is that bad, or very bad? :|
[14:44] <EriC^^> lugg: it's not so bad, the filesystems should still be there, just who knows where, not that big of a deal
[14:45] <EriC^^> lugg: can you install packages in that gparted terminal? (you need 'testdisk')
[14:45] <lugg> is there a magic command I can run to recreate a partition table and leave data intact?
[14:45] <lugg> it comes with testdisk, so I'm good there
[14:45] <EriC^^> lugg: sort of, testdisk looks for old partitions and lets you reconstruct the table
[14:45] <lugg> just ran it
[14:45] <EriC^^> lugg: cool type 'testdisk'
[14:45] <lugg> it's asking about a log file
[14:46] <EriC^^> choose no log
[14:46] <lugg> ok... it sees my SSD
[14:46] <lugg> "Proceed"?
[14:46] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:46] <lugg> Now it's asking about a partition table type
[14:47] <EriC^^> it should highlight it's guess at the partition table type, choose whatever s highlighted
[14:47] <lugg> "None" ... sounds maybe wrong? Or just run with it?
[14:47] <EriC^^> sounds wrong yeah
[14:47] <lugg> let me grab a pic
[14:47] <EriC^^> did you have only ubuntu or windows too?
[14:47] <lugg> just ubuntu
[14:47] <EriC^^> do you know if it was uefi or bios legacy?
[14:48] <EriC^^> ok, any idea about the uefi?
[14:48] <lugg> hmmm, maybe uefi, because I remember seeing stuff about uefi in the apt-get dist-upgrade thing
[14:48] <lugg> but I'm not 100% sure
[14:48] <EriC^^> lugg: ok, try choosing 'gpt' for the type
[14:50] <lugg>  it won't let me upload pics now (heh, always my luck) but the options are: Intel/PC, EFI GPT, Humax, Mac, None, Sun, Xbox
[14:50] <lugg> the Intel one seems like the most reasonable I guess?
[14:50] <Chilestuff> Greetings denizens
[14:50] <EriC^^> lugg: no choose efi got
[14:50] <lugg> k
[14:50] <lugg> then Analyse?
[14:51] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:52] <lugg> It found 3 partitions: two called MS Data and one called Linux Swap. All three show "Structure: OK"
[14:52] <lugg> The first MS Data is small, the second much larger
[14:53] <EriC^^> lugg: can you show a screenshot?
[14:53] <lugg> let me try again
[14:56] <Chilestuff> Anyone familiar with Icewind Dale and Neverwinter Nights requirements?
[14:57] <lugg> EriC^^: finally got it on the network! https://pastebin.com/j5VNZek7
[14:57] <Chilestuff> I'm unable to find linux versions and would like advice on the best means for running them in Ubuntu
[14:58] <EriC^^> lugg: it looks perfect, write the current layout
[14:58] <lugg> EriC^^: do that on all three?
[14:58] <EriC^^> lugg: yeah the way they are
[15:00] <lugg> OK, did the write on all three, confirmed, and rebooted... but the laptop says "No bootable device" so it doesn't appear to have revealed grub or whatever
[15:00] <lugg> crazy
[15:01] <brainwash> Chilestuff: they should run just fine with wine. no sure if the linux clients for these games are still maintained, or work at all
[15:01] <kostkon> Chilestuff, the enhanced edition of icewind dale is on gog
[15:02] <Chilestuff> Well the BG & BG 2 have linux versions, but not the newr games  :/
[15:02] <EriC^^> lugg: are you sure it wrote them? did you run parted -ls again?
[15:02] <lugg> let me try that
[15:02] <brainwash> Chilestuff: didn't they announce an enhanced version for nwn?
[15:02] <Chilestuff> Oops, I mean IWD2
[15:03] <Chilestuff> I'm on gog now, and everything after IWD2 has only winblows versions
[15:03] <brainwash> yes
[15:03] <brainwash> http://press.beamdog.com/nwnee/
[15:03] <hanetzer> what package currently providesthe ffmpeg program for ubuntu?
[15:04] <brainwash> Chilestuff: simply use wine
[15:04] <Chilestuff> I have no clue. I'm brand new to linux and am looking for all the old games I never finished
[15:04] <Chilestuff> wine I have
[15:04] <brainwash> ideally, update to wine 2.x or 3.x
[15:04] <brainwash> ubuntu usually ships with an old version
[15:05] <Chilestuff> I just wanted to be sure I could run them all before I paid for em  :)
[15:05] <brainwash> hanetzer: isn't that the ffmpeg package?
[15:05] <lugg> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Oj1qFM7d/IMG_1703.JPG
[15:05] <kostkon> Chilestuff, also here's the full collection sans iwd2 http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/380/The_Infinity_Collection/
[15:05] <lugg> EriC^^: they seem to show up now
[15:05] <hanetzer> apt install ffmpeg din't like that
[15:05] <daver> hringriin: no, i didnt change anything there
[15:05] <EriC^^> lugg: what about the type of the partitions?
[15:06] <brainwash> Chilestuff: I can confirm that they do run with wine
[15:06] <EriC^^> lugg: also do you have efibootmgr installed on the gparted cd?
[15:06] <lugg> EriC^^: they're in the screenshot, one is fat32, one is ext4, and one is linux-swap
[15:06] <Chilestuff> kostkon, thanks, but I can get the full set for $60 on gog
[15:06] <brainwash> hanetzer: which ubuntu release is that?
[15:06] <EriC^^> lugg: does the fat32 have a boot,esp flag?
[15:06] <hanetzer> nvm, I'm an ijit. been a while since I used *bunto, forgot to apt update :P
[15:06] <Chilestuff> Includidng IWD2
[15:06] <lugg> msfdata flag only :(
[15:07] <hanetzer> brainwash: xenial, its inside the windows subsystem for linux thingus
[15:07] <lugg> EriC^^: I do have the efibootmgr though
[15:07] <brainwash> hanetzer: ok
[15:07] <EriC^^> lugg: type 'gdisk /dev/sda'
[15:07] <hanetzer> its all good, I'm just dumb, thanks o/
[15:08] <lugg> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/m7tYPgKh/1515510500.JPG
[15:08] <lugg> EriC^^: ok it's in the screenshot there
[15:08] <hringriin> daver: ok, you should have systemd, so what does `journalctl | grep -Ei dhcp`, run as root, show regarding dhclient or leases?
[15:10] <EriC^^> lugg: press 't' then 1
[15:10] <Chilestuff> Ok, off to waste money on frivolous pursuits
[15:10] <EriC^^> then type 'ef00'
[15:10] <Chilestuff> Thanks
[15:10] <lugg> EriC^^: "Microsoft basic data", it says
[15:10] <lugg> then asks for a hex code
[15:10] <lugg> (sounds scary lol)
[15:10] <EriC^^> lugg: then press 'w' to write it and quit
[15:11] <EriC^^> lugg: then run 'efibootmgr -c -w -l \\EFI\\ubuntu\\shimx64.efi -L "ubuntu" -p 1 -d /dev/sda'
[15:11] <EriC^^> lugg: type ef00 as the hex code
[15:13] <scionder> Anyone know how to prevent branding files from being overwritten on updates? Specifically in /etc the lsb-release and os-release files? Seems to get overwritten sometimes with the parent distro's branding...
[15:18] <daver> hringriin: i always get DHCPDISCOVER on ens4 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 intervalxy (xid=0xae83cd33)
[15:18] <daver> intervals are changing
[15:18] <lugg> EriC^^: sorry for the delay, jugging work stuff at the same time. When I ran the efibootmgr command you gave, it says "Could not prepare Boot variable: Read-only file system"
[15:18] <daver> i am using the Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.3.3
[15:18] <daver> if I config the network manually it works fine
[15:19] <daver> if I connect the cable to another system (MAC) i get dhcp lease without problems
[15:19] <EriC^^> lugg: try mount -o remount,rw /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
[15:20] <lugg> EriC^^: ok, sweet, that worked and allowed the previous command to run successfully
[15:21] <lugg> EriC^^: parted -ls doesn't show the efi flag though, should it?
[15:21] <hringriin> daver: did you make any changes to /etc/network/interfaces ?
[15:21] <hringriin> daver: or do you use NetworkManager ?
[15:22] <lugg> oh wait
[15:22] <lugg> I didn't do the write after the gdisk thing
[15:22] <lugg> just did that, now I see "boot, esp"
[15:22] <lugg> going to reboot now
[15:23] <daver> hringriin: I edited interfaces for autoconfig with ens4
[15:23] <EriC^^> lugg: ok
[15:23] <daver> if I manually start dhclient also nothing happens
[15:23] <lugg> ok well it still doesn't want to boot, but I'm assuming there's some progress
[15:23] <lugg> EriC^^: do I need to redo the efibootmgr command again after doing the gdisk ef00 write thing?
[15:23] <hringriin> daver: could you provide that config (via pastebin or s.th. ?)
[15:23] <daver> hringriin: never used a command concerning networkmanager, so I guess no
[15:24] <hringriin> daver: ok
[15:24] <EriC^^> lugg: nope
[15:24] <lugg> hmmm, darn
[15:24] <EriC^^> what does 'efibootmgr -v' show right now?
[15:24] <daver> its just: auto ens4
[15:24] <daver> iface ens4 inet dhcp
[15:25] <lugg> EriC^^ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KmoMOWm8/IMG_1705.JPG
[15:26] <EriC^^> lugg: doesn't look like it saved anything
[15:26] <EriC^^> lugg: try 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt'
[15:26] <lugg> "can't read superblock"
[15:27] <lugg> that sounds bad
[15:27] <EriC^^> sort of
[15:27] <EriC^^> what about 'mount /dev/sda2 /mnt'
[15:27] <lugg> "Structure needs cleaning"
[15:27] <lugg> lol
[15:27] <EriC^^> do you have important data on the disk?
[15:28] <lugg> there's truly just one file I want to get from it, if I can
[15:28] <EriC^^> i'd recommend cloning it at this point and then trying to run fdisk etc
[15:28] <EriC^^> i mean fsck
[15:28] <EriC^^> lugg: what does 'parted /dev/sda unit s print' show?
[15:29] <lugg> EriC^^ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/87rjXKcv/IMG_1706.JPG
[15:31] <DennisBagley> x failing to start correctly with "eglGetDisplay() failed; glamor detected, failed to initialize EGL
[15:31] <EriC^^> lugg: the sectors look right
[15:31] <EriC^^> lugg: i'd clone the 2nd partition at least, and then run fsck on it and see what happens
[15:31] <DennisBagley> can anyone offer any insight ??
[15:31] <lugg> EriC^^: the second partition is what has user data, correct?
[15:32] <EriC^^> lugg: yeah, supposedly
[15:33] <bgr347> hi
[15:33] <bgr347> i'm trying to compile and build from source python 3.6.4. not sure how to do that.
[15:33] <EriC^^> lugg: probably best to clone the whole thing since it's most of the drive, in case testdisk was off by few sectors or something
[15:36] <JonelethIrenicus> anyone know of a way to make it so certain applications show up in the panel properly when using Dash to Panel?
[15:36] <jil> hi
[15:37] <jil> What tool do you use to organize you pictures ?  label, sort, tag, browse ?
[15:37] <jil> I have shotwell and pix but not satisfied.
[15:38] <jil> All I need is to be able zoom in out on a bunch of images without restriction on size of thumbnail, (and tagging)
[15:39] <jil> also be able to see pictures in subfolders wihtout having to select them one by one.
[15:40] <wasutton3_work> anyone know how to fix this java error: Fatal: Application Error: Cannot grant permissions to unsigned jars. Application requested security permissions, but jars are not signed.
[15:40] <wasutton3_work> I'm on 16.04, openjdk-8
[15:40] <daver> hringriin: look above, wrote without highlightning
[15:44] <hringriin> daver: ok, have to resign. sorry. I have no clue, why the default config does not work. have you tried invokin dhclient manually?
[15:44] <cfoch> hello, what package do I have to install to have
[15:44] <cfoch> gst/opencv/gstopencvvideofilter.h:
[15:44] <cfoch> ?
[15:44] <kajover> hi, what is the future of ubuntu? The step towards Gnome was a great decision but is there any news with regard to Ubuntu Phone or Ubuntu One to create a complete ecosystem?
[15:45] <kajover> I would love to switch but this holds me back a bit.. What would also be great is if Ubuntu creates some hardware, but that is another story
[15:46] <pedrocr> cfoch: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gstopencvvideofilter.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=artful&arch=any
[15:46] <nacc> kajover: not really ontopic for this channel
[15:47] <pedrocr> cfoch: packages.ubuntu.com is a great resource
[15:47] <nacc> cfoch: if you have ubuntu installed, `apt-file` is an equivalent resource
[15:48] <cfoch> I've already installed libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-dev
[15:48] <JuJuBee_> Need help.  As soon as my laptop boots to login screen, it does a shutdown.  The shutdown looks like a normal shutdown.
[15:48] <cfoch> and the directory /usr/include/gstreamer-1.0/gst/opencv is not creaetd
[15:48] <cfoch> created*
[15:50] <nacc> cfoch: what version of ubuntu?
[15:50] <roses> is it recommended to install the Candidate kernels from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown ?
[15:51] <pedrocr> cfoch: nacc: I can confirm that on 16.04
[15:52] <kajover> nacc, what channel should I join?
[15:52] <whitebeast> so i have tried a few things and can come up with nothing, is there another browser i can use that recmended for ubuntu.. other than fire fox
[15:52] <JuJuBee_> IT seems to shutdown even in recovery mode.  Any suggestions?
[15:52] <pedrocr> cfoch: nacc: according to that same page the file was only added in artful
[15:53] <cfoch> nacc: 16.06
[15:53] <cfoch> 16.04 *
[15:54] <pedrocr> cfoch: it was only added in artful (17.10)
[15:54] <luciano> preciso de ajuda para instalar o safari no ubuntu no meu orange Pi Pc Plus
[15:58] <nacc> pedrocr: cfoch: always good to ask that first, as avoids issues like this :)
[15:59] <JuJuBee_> Anybody here able/willing to help with boot issue?  System does shutdown as soon as I see login screen.  Also if I go to recovery mode and when I tried to get to the grub> menu it also shutdown
[16:02] <whitebeast> i cannot install any thing from the web except through the terminal,, any ideas on how to fix this?
[16:03] <nacc> whitebeast: that sentence makes little sense
[16:03] <nacc> whitebeast: what are you installing?
[16:03] <TJ-> JuJuBee_: that suggests either the battery is exhausted or the CPU may be overheating
[16:03] <jil> what photo manager software do you recommand, for tagging groups of pictures, zooming in and out, and visualizing subfolder pictures ?
[16:03] <TJ-> JuJuBee_: what release of Ubuntu? what make/model of PC?
[16:04] <nacc> jil: try different ones until you find one you like
[16:04] <alkisg> JuJuBee_: sounds like a hardware problem, does it work with any live cd?
[16:04] <nacc> jil: we try to avoid recommendations/polls here
[16:04] <whitebeast> ive tried installing a new iso file, but i discoverd that i cant even install anything from even ubuntu software center, ive used wget in the terminal but thats the only way ive found it works
[16:04] <nacc> whitebeast: 'installing a new iso file'? with what?
[16:04] <whitebeast> just online with fire fox
[16:04] <nacc> whitebeast: do you know what an iso is? do you mean you tried to create a guest?
[16:06] <jil> ok, but I've been trying severals already, pix, shotwell and other that I deinstalled.  hoped to benefit from your experience
[16:06] <jil> not to do the same mistakes again and again...
[16:06] <whitebeast> i guess i dont know what an iso is. im downloading a new operationg system file, yes guest did the same thing
[16:06] <nacc> jil: what experience? just try them and see ... what mistakes can you be making?
[16:06] <jil> nacc the mistaking of trying stuff that you allready tried and found useless
[16:06] <nacc> whitebeast: ok, if you're downloading an ISO, you put it on a USB or put it on a CD or you start a guest with it. You don't 'install' it
[16:06] <JuJuBee_> TJ-: I am using 16.04 on a System76 Oryx laptop.  I disconnected the AC Power Adapter and it seems to boot and the battery is at full.
[16:07] <nacc> jil: i would suggest just doing some searching online, then. There are many websites that provide lots of such overviews. Not a support topic, imo.
[16:07] <TJ-> JuJuBee_: and when the AC charger is powering it, it does a shutdown?
[16:07] <whitebeast> lol right. i cant install anything from ubuntu software center, and i cannot download files from any browser
[16:07] <kirean> I upgraded my ubuntu 16.04 to 17.04 and the displays icon/command is gone. I did find : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1673253 but the solution doesn't work for me. I also upgraded to 17.10 in an attempt to get it fixed, but still no go
[16:07] <JuJuBee_> TJ-: it did, I have not re-connected it yet.
[16:08] <kirean> anyone with any leads on what I can do?
[16:08] <nacc> whitebeast: you keep saying 'cant'/'cannot'. What actually happens?
[16:08] <JuJuBee_> TJ-: thought I would let the battery drain.  This laptop is my "desktop" and usually stays put and plugged in.
[16:08] <TJ-> JuJuBee_: that's rather the opposite of what we expect!! Hmmm, it suggests a charger failure of some sort causing the charge controller to shutdown the PC to protect it
[16:09] <whitebeast> in the browser it just says file missing or lost, in the software center it just does nothing, i can click install as many times as i like, just nothing
[16:09] <nacc> whitebeast: 'file missing or lost'? can you give me an example URL?
[16:09] <JuJuBee_> TJ-: that is possible I guess.  I will let it drain and check the charger.  Luckily I have a second charger so I can swap if that is it.  Still under warranty thankfully
[16:10] <V7> is it possible to change the default range of ip addresses when sharing an internet connection through ethernet in Ubuntu >
[16:10] <V7> ?
[16:10] <whitebeast> i can do a screenshot of what happens but im not entirerly sure how
[16:10] <whitebeast> to send it here
[16:11] <nacc> !imgur | whitebeast
[16:11] <auronandace> !screenshot | whitebeast
[16:11] <nacc> auronandace: thanks :)
[16:11] <whitebeast> thank you
[16:12] <TJ-> JuJuBee_: if it isn't the charger the next thing I'd suspect is the ACPI sub-system getting confused about the state of the battery when the AC is online
[16:13] <alkisg> TJ-: acpi before the os loads?
[16:13] <jil> nacc: understood. I'll go back wher I came from then.
[16:13] <alkisg> He said it happens at grub as well...
[16:13] <TJ-> alkisg: Sure, firmware has to do some initial config too, OS takes over
[16:13] <alkisg> TJ-: I'd suspect temperature...
[16:14] <whitebeast> ok i will be back in 5 minutes. i have removed all lost files i previously downloaded, im trying a small file to take the screen shot its just going to be a minute
[16:15] <TJ-> alkisg: why would AC online cause a temperature issue but not when on battery - I suggested charger problem, but we've seen ACPI causing issues when on AC when booted, but no when on battery
[16:16] <alkisg> TJ-: one explanation would be that he let it cool down a bit, and the charger test is unrelated...
[16:16] <JuJuBee_> alkisg: TJ-: been running now for a while and still fine.
[16:16] <alkisg> Also, when on battery, it works on battery saving mode, which lowers the temperature
[16:17] <alkisg> JuJuBee_: `sensors` lets you monitor temperature, and `stress` allows you to increase the temperature to see if it's an issue or not
[16:17] <JuJuBee_> alkisg: thaks. I was just looking for some monitoring software.
[16:19] <JuJuBee_> alkisg: is sensors lm-sensors?
[16:24] <Tryb4l> hello
[16:27] <whitebeast> so really stupid question here..
[16:27] <whitebeast> would files not dowload because i have an unstable internet signal?
[16:27] <Anonnyman> ha
[16:28] <Anonnyman> Anyone here? XD
[16:28] <alkisg> JuJuBee_: yes
[16:28] <O_Gopal> whitebeast: An unstable signal could give you a slow download, or perhaps, if weak enough, no download at all.
[16:28] <Tin_man> whitebeast, yes that could cause a download to fail
[16:29] <whitebeast> with no download at all would it say missing or lost?
[16:30] <Anonnyman> Great! because iam new here, some advice?
[16:30] <O_Gopal> Whitebeast: What message you might get, if any, would depend on what program you're using for the download.
[16:30] <ModFather> Hi all i've got an ubuntu 16.04 on my office, its connected to my router, with static LAN ip with all ports open outside.. everything was okay until my ISP change my public ip.. after that.. i can connect to my server from everywhere in the world.. but i cant resolv hosts from the server. if i do ping google.com does nothing.. also i have checked /etc/resolv.conf i have setup google dns and still nothing..
[16:34] <Oldcpv3> do you know deh wey?
[16:36] <wtiger> Hi! I changed apache2 port in /etc/apache2/ports.conf and restarted apache..
[16:37] <wtiger> but it's still responding on port 80..
[16:38] <Anonnyman> anyone here who use tox?
[16:40] <nullifidian> It's January 9th here. Still no kernel updates for meltdown/spectre. What's going on?
[16:41] <nullifidian> Am I looking at a wrong package?
[16:41] <Anonnyman> Maybe at night, I guess
[16:41] <kirean>  I upgraded my ubuntu 16.04 to 17.04 and the displays icon/command is gone. I did find : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1673253 but the solution doesn't work for me. I also upgraded to 17.10 in an attempt to get it fixed, but still no go
[16:42] <JuJuBee_> alkisg: TJ- :  Temps hovering about 40 C, plugged in AC adapter again and charging and still hovering around 40 C.
[16:43] <vendre> vendre
[16:45] <bulkior> hi, has anyone have had a problem with the sound in ubuntu 16.04? sound device isn't even visible in lspci
[16:46] <vendre> how do I  install zsh on bash terminal
[16:46] <Anonnyman> The solution for meltdown/spectre slow down our PCs, It's right?
[16:48] <donofrio> nullifidian, redhat has there's that being right now on our hosts...
[16:50] <alkisg> JuJuBee_: which one, cpu or gpu?
[16:55] <whitebeast> files are still saying missing or lost https://imgur.com/a/kvLKg
[16:56] <whitebeast> or just wont work when downloaded
[16:56] <jhelbling> Hello, i have a problem with "apt update": https://pastebin.com/c3y6aRGY
[16:59] <dax> jhelbling: the mirror you're using is either syncing or temporarily broken. It should resolve itself in a few hours, or you can change the "ch.archive.ubuntu.com" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to "archive.ubuntu.com" or similar if you don't want to wait.
[16:59] <jhelbling> dax: thanks, i will try it
[17:00] <jhelbling> dax: YESS! It works! Thanks
[17:01] <dax> jhelbling: you're welcome :)
[17:14] <sgorol> how to register my username?
[17:14] <sgorol> i mean my nickname
[17:14] <electricmilk> sgorol,  Go to #freenode and ask for help
[17:14] <Pici> !register | sgorol
[17:14] <EriC^^> sgorol: /nickserv register password email
[17:15] <sgorol> thanks!
[17:20] <whitebeast> so my issue is im struggling to dowlonad anything from the browser https://imgur.com/a/kvLKg
[17:20] <redphone> is 17.10 g2g for lenovo p71 laptops?
[17:20] <L00P3X> Please, got a technet m001 wireless mouse. no linux support over theys manual page. got it recognized over dmesg but no response.. can I trow it away?
[17:22] <redphone> seems like the bios spi issue is local to yoga models, so if the p71s are safe, that would be nice to avoid waiting for the new isos
[17:22] <dax> redphone: upgrades are fine, the kernel currently in the repositories has fixes for it. updated CD images are in testing and should be done late this week
[17:22] <dax> redphone: i have no idea on which models it affects, will leave that to someone else
[17:22] <redphone> dax, just wanted to make sure p71 is not affected. i read through most of the bug comments in lpad and nobody seems to mention p71 related woes
[17:23] <redphone> :(
[17:24] <nacc> whitebeast: well, for one, it says you downloaded the .deb fine. What URL were you trying to download?
[17:28] <whitebeast> vival downloaded ok from the browser, it brought me to the software center to install, and the button on the software center just wont go, the install icon is on the task bar of the same shot
[17:28] <whitebeast> its been like that for about an hour
[17:29] <nacc>  whitebeast: i've never used the software center to install a .deb. What version of Ubuntu is this again?
[17:32] <whitebeast> 16.4 i went to a url, https://vivaldi.com/download/ it downloaded, when it was finished it took me to the ubuntu sofware center and asked me to install it, i clicked install and its where its at now
[17:34] <nacc> whitebeast: are you fully up to date already?
[17:34] <nacc> whitebeast: LP: #1573408
[17:35] <nacc> whitebeast: ah wait, LP: #1672424
[17:35] <NemesisD> ya'll probably have heard this question 1000 times but i'm having trouble determining if meltdown patches are actually out yet in the main package repos or if we should still wait. i'm running 14.04 LTS
[17:36] <whitebeast> i beleive i am, i did a sudo apt and updated and re did failed packages
[17:36] <whitebeast> how would i check
[17:36] <kfazz> Y binary
[17:36] <kfazz> oops
[17:36] <NemesisD> i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown but that seems to indicate those kernels are still in PPAs
[17:36] <nacc> NemesisD: ask in #ubuntu-hardened
[17:37] <nacc> NemesisD: i believe they are not out yet
[17:37] <nacc> whitebeast: what commands did you run?
[17:37] <pos> I'm gonna go out on a limb here an assume that the question has already been asked numerous times: still no kernel updates? POC is out...
[17:38] <whitebeast> sudo apt-get upadate
[17:38] <whitebeast> and upgrade
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | pos
[17:39] <pos> i know
[17:39] <pos> i checked the repos
[17:39] <pos> "rhetorical question"
[17:40] <NemesisD> it sounded to me like the news jumped the gun on the embargo and left the ubuntu team scrambling
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> pos: check !usn few new usn has been released due to spectre
[17:41] <nacc> NemesisD: "news"?
[17:41] <dax> NemesisD: pretty much. original coordinated release date was today
[17:41] <NemesisD> nacc: the public announcement of the vuln
[17:41] <dax> NemesisD: and Ubuntu has about a zillion different kernels in various Ubuntu versions and configurations, so it's a bit of a mess
[17:42] <NemesisD> dax: that sucks. who broke embargo and why?
[17:42] <pos> dax, except they won't update some of the kernels
[17:42] <pos> 4.10 won't be updates, users must migrate to 4.13
[17:42] <pos> 4.4 is already patched in deb
[17:42] <pos> since thursday
[17:42] <dax> sure, no point updating something that's about to go EOL anyway, they just moved the 4.13 migration forwards
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> NemesisD: please keep language familly friendly here
[17:43] <NemesisD> lotuspsychje: sorry, wasn't aware that was considered explicit language
[17:43] <dax> NemesisD: nobody in particular. The Linux kernel side of things looked pretty odd on LKML, people started putting the pieces together, i'm not gonna say "inevitable" but it was pretty unsurprising
[17:44] <dax> I guess Google was the first one to "officially" break it, but it was pretty close to being out there anyway by that point.
[17:45] <pos> knowledge has been compartmentalized since mid-2017
[17:45] <dax> yep
[17:45] <pos> the artist has formerly been known as KRAIT to some
[17:45] <dragos> hi
[17:45] <dragos> my mozila firefox crashed how to fix?
[17:45] <pos> ofc, if codename leaked they'd know which group was spilling the beans
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> dragos: ubuntu version? firefox version? what happened when?
[17:46] <dragos> ubuntu mate
[17:46] <dragos> Mozila firefox crash
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> dragos: versions please?
[17:47] <dragos> how to fix
[17:47] <dragos> wait
[17:48] <dragos> i don't know
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> dragos: lsb_release -a
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> dragos: apt-cache policy firefox
[17:49] <whitebeast> so how do i do a full update of ubuntu to the current version of 16.04
[17:50] <dragos> Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> dragos: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[17:51] <angry_route> hi! I'm running a Ubuntu 16.04 LTS server with the hwe kernel, is it possible to rollback to the 4.4 kernel? Thanks!
[17:52] <dragos> upgrade in work
[17:52] <dragos> y
[17:52] <angry_route> I installed it to test the BBR congestion algo, other than that I have no need for the hwe branch
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | angry_route
[17:53] <angry_route> the plain LTS gets less upgrades right?
[17:53] <pos> angry_route, apt-get install linux(-signed)-image-generic-lts-xenial
[17:53] <dragos> ubuntu is instaled on raspberry pi
[17:53] <dragos> 3 model b
[17:54] <pos> then purge all the 16.04-hwe(-edge) stuff
[17:54] <angry_route> thanks!!!
[17:54] <pos> alas, neither have been updated re spectre/meltdown yet
[17:54] <angry_route> roger!
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> dragos: #ubuntu-arm for pi3
[17:56] <binaryhermit> the pi3 is immune to spectre and meltdown anyway
[17:56] <binaryhermit> or at least that's the raspberry pi foundation's spin anyway
[17:57] <angry_route> is there a difference between the "signed" and "non-signed" version? I'm sorry for the dumb question
[17:58] <pos> yeah, if you're using secure boot and signed grub/shim, you may as well go with -signed
[17:59] <angry_route> oh, it's a baremetal dedicated server, I don't think it's using secure boot
[18:08] <Beef_wgtn> I'm having an issue that is driving me crazy.... every time I run a server on digital ocean, I get this perl warning: Setting locale failed. I've tried every bit of online advice by can't get it to go away. Does anyone know a permanent fix for this?
[18:10] <hateyou> hey
[18:11] <lugg> EriC^^ sorry I didn't get to thank you for your help earlier --- got pulled into work stuff --- but I really do appreciate it!
[18:11] <EriC^^> lugg: no problem
[18:13] <hateyou> hey , anyone there can help me?
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> !ask | hateyou
[18:14] <hateyou> thank you,, help me to install psipon in my linux pc
[18:15] <lugg> EriC^^: I'm holding down enter on the fsck prompts and so far it's fixing everything (or says it is, anyway)
[18:16] <EriC^^> lugg: cool
[18:16] <raub> So when I run systemctl status networking.service I am being told it cannot bring up my bridge interface (br0, http://pastebin.centos.org/491111/). Is there a way to figure out what is stopping it? Saying "a file exists" is not helping much
[18:17] <raub> https://serverfault.com/questions/757626/cannot-boot-because-of-networking-service suggested to enable debug shell, but where those messages are recorded at?
[18:18] <whitebeast> what does e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1) , mean.. it obviously means theres an error. but what is the error or how do i find out?
[18:24] <lugg> EriC^^: So if the result of fsck and then mounting the partition (which did mount) is a lost+found dir with a ton of files bearing numbers for names... that's probably not good right?
[18:25] <EriC^^> lugg: yeah that sounds crappy, what's the file that you need to get?
[18:25] <lugg> EriC^^: it's a single php script I wrote, should be called index.php. Is there a sane way for me to locate it?
[18:25] <lugg> (also I assume that this internal drive is totally untrustworthy now?)
[18:26] <EriC^^> lugg: sure, its doable
[18:26] <EriC^^> lugg: do you remember anything that was in the file specifically?
[18:27] <lugg> yep, "twilio" should be there (it was a script that calls the Twilio API)
[18:27] <sandifer> quit
[18:27] <EriC^^> lugg: ok, try sudo grep -R -i "twilio" /lost+found
[18:28] <lugg> it's scanning!
[18:30] <lugg> And evidently finding tons of matches
[18:30] <lugg> I guess it's referenced in a lot of other libraries and stuff, heh
[18:30] <lugg> but this is good, it gives me hope that it's in there somewhere
[18:36] <btc1> im running a monero miner with a 32 core cpu.  i am able to get my hash rate up to 700H/s if I run it at 16 threads and 2500 difficulty.   im wondering if there is something else I can do to up my hash rate and if 700h/s is a good monero rate?
[18:37] <brainwash> btc1: first step would be to join the correct channel
[18:37] <leftyfb> btc1: you want #bitcoin
[18:38] <carotcake> can i use 'chmod go-rwx /data/user/myname' to prevent all other users except me to enter the directory?
[18:38] <btc1> its an ubuntu machine server setup
[18:39] <DexterF> hi
[18:39] <leftyfb> btc1: and you could be running fedora or gentoo or Windows and you'd still have the same questions. Go to #bitcoin
[18:39] <btc1> ok  thanks
[18:40] <DexterF> 16.04 lts minimal server install, plugged in one edimax 11n usb stic, realtek based. ifconfig does not show it. what's missing?
[18:40] <nacc> DexterF: does dmesg show the device is recognized?
[18:41] <leftyfb> DexterF: ifconfig -a ... beyond that you'll need to configure wpasupplicant or something similar to get it to join a network and get an ip
[18:43] <whitebeast> so i know windows has a system restore does ubuntu have something similar?
[18:43] <leftyfb> whitebeast: negative
[18:43] <DexterF> no wait.. now there is one oddball interface named wlx74da38e18cfb <- that a thing..?
[18:43] <BluesKaj> windows has a system resore point
[18:43] <BluesKaj> restore
[18:43] <DexterF> it is supposed to become an AP, still need the supplicant?
[18:44] <whitebeast> lefty, is there a way to do a factory reset ( of the type ) anything to bring my system back to the beginning or just back? without redoing the whole install
[18:44] <carotcake> can i use 'chmod go-rwx /data/user/myname' to prevent all other users except me to enter the directory?
[18:45] <leftyfb> whitebeast: Not anything that is worth the time. Reinstall and restore your files and settings from backups and reinstall the apps you need
[18:46] <whitebeast> i dont have the install disk anymore, i would make a new one but i cant get anything to download at all, im starting to feel that im stuck with what i have untill it crashes
[18:46] <leftyfb> whitebeast: why can't you download anything?
[18:46] <alkisg> carotcake: first, you need a file system that supports owners and permissions, e.g. ext4. Second, you'd need to be the owner. Finally, yes, you could use chmod 700 that-dir.
[18:48] <whitebeast> lefty im not entirely sure why, on chrome is says ( file missing or lost ) or it says it downloaded and doesnt work, the software center ( i can click install and it will sit all day and do nothing ) even wget from the terminal does similar things
[18:48] <skinux> Anyone know why Software Installer is usually slow?
[18:48] <whitebeast> i just did a full update and upgrade and autoremoved unessasary files.. im running out of ideas
[18:49] <carotcake> @alkisg I am the owner of the directory so that should be fine. What do you mean with chmod 700? how is that different to chmod go-rwx ... ?
[18:49] <alkisg> carotcake: it's the same, except it's easier to read :)
[18:49] <nacc> whitebeast: ok, you are conflating two things
[18:49] <nacc> whitebeast: as I tried to tell you earlier.
[18:49] <leftyfb> whitebeast: you just mentioned 2 different problems. Lets stick with downloading. If you're trying to download Ubuntu to reinstall, go to ubuntu.com/downloads to do that. First verify you have enough space on your drive and when you download, make sure you're downloading to a directory you have permission for and has enough space, like your desktop.
[18:49] <nacc> whitebeast: you are able to download fine, but isntalling third party .debs is known broken (it seems, from the bugs I linked)
[18:50] <nacc> whitebeast: the kali stuff, you *never* provided the URL of what you were tryign to download
[18:50] <carotcake> @alkisg alright, thanks! could you explain what go-rwx actually means?
[18:50] <alkisg> carotcake: "for group and others, remove read write execute"
[18:51] <leftyfb> whitebeast: with your current skillset, I would not recommend bothering with Kali linux. It is meant for professional penetration testers and debuggers.
[18:51] <carotcake> @alkisg thanks! but wouldn't i need a -r to make sure that it's recursive? so that all folders in the directory are included
[18:52] <alkisg> carotcake: if they can't enter the parent dir, they can't enter the child dirs either, so no need to do it recursively
[18:52] <leftyfb> carotcake: if the front door it locked, you're not getting into the bathroom
[18:52] <alkisg> carotcake: that would be chmod -R go-rwx...
[18:52] <alkisg> (not needed)
[18:52] <carotcake> @leftyfb @alkisg i understand, thanks a lot!
[18:52] <alkisg> np
[18:54] <whitebeast> ok recomended os i should be using?
[18:54] <leftyfb> whitebeast: ubuntu
[18:55] <leftyfb> whitebeast: silly question to be asking here really
[18:59] <whitebeast> ok after going to ubuntu downloads.. ( file saved ) again file missing or lost, ( open with braseo ) 6 hours untill install/download compleate.. which im already aware wont work
[18:59] <superloach> hello!
[18:59] <whitebeast> other ideas?
[19:00] <rustyrazorblade> While messing around w/ a system I recently set up at home (with LVM), i think I (stupidly) renamed the LVM volume group I had been using to boot.  The machine no longer boots.  I'm not sure of the right way to go about fixing /etc/fstab on the original boot partition so I can boot again.
[19:00] <rustyrazorblade> Any ideas?
[19:00] <superloach> i'm a bit new to irc, is there a freenode channel for noobs? (not the rpi installer :P)
[19:01] <DexterF> whitebeast, did you install /home in a seperate partition? then you could install over, keep /home, reinstall /
[19:01] <DexterF> there are ways to create package lists to reinstall previous config, google "debian cloning"
[19:02] <whitebeast> it does not give me an option to save to a location. it just keeps going to chrome download screen
[19:03] <nacc> whitebeast: what exact URL are you trying to download?
[19:04] <whitebeast> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?country=US&version=16.04.3&architecture=amd64
[19:06] <nacc> whitebeast: and if you click on 'download now', what happens? it doesn't start the download in a little box below?
[19:06] <momomo> I always have my speakers connected to my aux on laptop ... however, at times, usually after suspends and back, the aux gets ignored, and the sound comes out of the laptop. It is still in, however, only unplugging it and replugging it will enable the speakers again. Is there a way to do this using software? Meaning, a way where I don't have to get out of my seat? It's getting annoying! :)
[19:07] <whitebeast> my download box is in the upper right hand, but yes it does start the download
[19:07] <whitebeast> it never finishes or if it does it doesnt work
[19:07] <nacc> whitebeast: how did you install chrome?
[19:08] <whitebeast> it came automatic
[19:08] <whitebeast> mabey it upgraded me to it but i never sat down to install it
[19:08] <nacc> I don't think that's true in any Ubuntu?
[19:08] <leftyfb> whitebeast: chrome should always ask where to save the file
[19:09] <nacc> leftyfb: it can be configured, fwiw
[19:09] <nacc> (I don't recall the default)
[19:10] <leftyfb> whitebeast: chrome://settings/
[19:10] <leftyfb> type that into chrome
[19:10] <whitebeast> as you can see https://imgur.com/a/VC1tU  i do not have a save to option
[19:10] <leftyfb> scroll down to advanced
[19:10] <leftyfb> scroll down to Downloads
[19:11] <nacc> whitebeast: lol, that's firefox
[19:11]  * leftyfb sigh
[19:11] <leftyfb> whitebeast: and you wanted to use Kali?
[19:11] <whitebeast> i was calling it fire fox before, some one here was correcting me that it was chrome
[19:12] <whitebeast> so i started calling it chrome.. alot of this is really fucking easy you guys i feal like im talking to a brick wall and im sure you feel the same
[19:12] <leftyfb> whitebeast: in firefox, go to about:preferences
[19:12] <leftyfb> whitebeast: please watch the language
[19:13] <leftyfb> whitebeast: once in preferences in firefox, scroll down to Downloads and select "Always ask you where to save files"
[19:14] <whitebeast> understood, got it got that checked
[19:14] <leftyfb> now try to download again
[19:14] <whitebeast> and save to another partiton correct?
[19:14] <leftyfb> save it to where you have spac
[19:14] <leftyfb> space*
[19:14] <leftyfb> and permission
[19:16] <whitebeast> ok i did that, i have it saved to a space.. its saying its a 7 hour download.. which doesnt make sence to me
[19:17] <leftyfb> depends on your internet speed. You can go to fast.com or speedtest.net to test your speed
[19:17] <leftyfb> whitebeast: which version of ubuntu are you trying to download?
[19:18] <whitebeast> 16.04 im not struggling with an internet speed tho.. its just that file
[19:18] <leftyfb> whitebeast: http://mirrors.mit.edu/ubuntu-cdimage/xenial/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:18] <leftyfb> try that one
[19:19] <tueftler__> tomreyn: Hi master of ubuntu ;)    One question about the mounting of synology NAS Raid1 HDDs
[19:19] <tueftler__> Did you have some minutes for me?
[19:20] <leftyfb> !ask | tueftler__
[19:21] <tueftler__> i have a problem mounting a RAID1 HDD of a synology NAS to ubuntu mate
[19:22] <whitebeast> so i went to that link started the savefile, once it started its saying lubuntu download i386... xenial amd64 tells me that lubuntu is not what its sopose to be downloading
[19:22] <tueftler__> i'm a linux noob and tomreyn had help me some days ago with the same disk...
[19:22] <leftyfb> whitebeast: the link I sent you will not send you anywhere but to download the iso directly
[19:23] <user___> hey, where do i find the ubuntu desktop kernel .deb file?http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux/ seems empty
[19:24] <tueftler__> i can't double click to the disk directly. Ubuntu get out an error message that it cant mout it. Could anyone give me a tour to mount that? ;)
[19:26] <ImageJPEG> So I'm using ddrescue to attempt to recover data from a bad hfs+ drive. Any ideas on how to fix the file system and mount the image once I'm done using ddrescue? I already have hfsprogs and the fs drivers
[19:27] <akik> ImageJPEG: you can access the partitions inside a file with losetup & kpartx
[19:28] <ImageJPEG> I should correct myself. I'm only ddrescueing a partition. It's the main partition. Will that make a difference?
[19:30] <akik> ImageJPEG: i haven't tried one single partition but maybe "losetup -fv partition.img", then access /dev/loop0
[19:31] <ImageJPEG> meh, screw it, I'll just redo ddrecover and do the whole drive. It seems to be the preferred way anyway.
[19:32] <akik> ImageJPEG: if a case with a file which includes a partition table, it would be "losetup -fv disk.img; kpartx -av /dev/loop0"
[19:32] <akik> ImageJPEG: then the partitions would be added under /dev/mapper
[19:32] <ImageJPEG> is kpartx a kde app or is that just the name?
[19:33] <akik> ImageJPEG: it's just a normal terminal app
[19:33] <rustyrazorblade> figured out my issue.  brought up ubuntu in rescue mode, edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg (i think), fixed the volume paths.
[19:33] <ImageJPEG> alright
[19:35] <tueftler__> @all. Question solved by google. I remembered the mdadm command. Its running now. Thank you anyway!
[19:37] <razer_> hi
[19:45] <bencc> how can I uninstall the default vbox guest additions that comes preinstalled?
[19:59] <x3ntr0p1a> Hi, somebody knows how to update php ?
[20:03] <EriC^^> x3ntr0p1a: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' upgrades all packages
[20:07] <fishcooker> 3 days ago was my succesfull suspending box, after that i have to shutdown my box ... i've tried the stock kernel installed but no luck
[20:15] <nacc> x3ntr0p1a: can you be more specific?
[20:27] <Andreysan> Hello! I have Ubuntu installed on my laptop. I am trying to boot the laptop from a liveUSB that is not ubuntu. Unfortunately my BIOS does not reconize the USB device in the boot-startup list. The only entry in the list is "ubuntu". The boot options say "ubuntu" even when i remove the HDD containing ubuntu. Is this a problem that ubuntu has caused?
[20:27] <Andreysan> Thank you :)
[20:31] <DexterF> Andreysan, the menu that offers "ubuntu" is the GRUB boot loader, that's past the BIOS.
[20:32] <DexterF> probably there is a hotkey to go into the bios boot menu, depends on your board, otherwise enter BIOS and priorize USB boot before disk boot
[20:32] <Andreysan> DexterF, no, i am not talking about the GRUB.. "Ubuntu" litterally appears in my BIOS boot priority list
[20:32] <Andreysan> There are no USB boot option inside BIOS
[20:32] <DexterF> Andreysan, you labeled the disk like that then?
[20:32] <DexterF> Andreysan, anyway, what's the boot prio in BIOS?
[20:34] <Andreysan> I can not remember, it is an old computer. The problem is that even when i remove the HDD containing ubuntu, the boot list still says "ubuntu"
[20:34] <Andreysan> "ubuntu" is the only option i have
[20:36] <root> wow
[20:38] <mdew> Anyone managed to disable the IPv6 eui-64 address on 17.10?
[20:39] <german_pizza> Hey floks
[20:40] <german_pizza> How an I supposed to install all the build dependaces in one go?
[20:41] <mdew> "apt-get -f install"  I believe installs all dependencies.
[20:41] <mdew> At least that's what I've used after "dpkg -i" and it erroring to missing deps.
[20:43] <nacc> german_pizza: build depedencies?
[20:43] <nacc> german_pizza: apt-get build-dep, but what are you buillding and why?
[20:44] <nacc> mdew: it's recomended (i believe) to use gdebi or now the software centre (in the versions where it works) to install debs
[20:44] <TJ-> german_pizza: You mean "apt-get build-dep <package>" ?
[20:45] <mdew> nacc: didn't even think of gdebi, good idea.
[20:46] <german_pizza> I should have been more specific, in case i want to compile something frome source, and I'm missing libraries, like boost
[20:47] <german_pizza> Should i iterate over the missing libraries trying which works [apt cache search boost dev]
[20:48] <TJ-> german_pizza: you mean compile a project from source, where that project isn't already in the archives at all?
[20:48] <salamanderrake> Thanks Sveta
[20:49] <german_pizza> TJ- or in case i want to test a bugfix
[20:50] <nacc> german_pizza: well testing a bugfix would mean you build the package with the change, normally
[20:50] <german_pizza> Sure
[20:50] <german_pizza> Picture this situation
[20:50] <nacc> german_pizza: which means you'd use `apt-get build-dep` and build the source package
[20:51] <german_pizza> Let's say you want to test a libinput patch
[20:51] <german_pizza> 1 clone the repo
[20:51] <german_pizza> 2 apply the patch
[20:51] <german_pizza> 3 make config
[20:51] <nacc> german_pizza: if you are trying to test a fix for an ubuntu package, all of that is incorrect.
[20:52] <german_pizza> Here make complains about something missing
[20:52] <nacc> german_pizza: if you mean test upstream changes, then you should already know how to build it from source (and if you need helpl with that, then ask upstream)
[20:53] <mdew> So no luck removing EUI64 v6 addresses from 17.10? :)
[20:53] <german_pizza> I just wanted to know if there is a way to install all of the building dependencies  of x pakage in one go
[20:53] <german_pizza> Anyway I'll ask upstream
[20:53] <nacc> german_pizza: you are mixing up packages and upstream
[20:53] <nacc> german_pizza: so I don't know what you're actually asking
[20:53] <german_pizza> Cool
[20:54] <nacc> german_pizza: if you mean package, then yes, use build-dep as you've been told twice
[20:54] <german_pizza> Nope
[20:54] <vila> german_pizza: You had the answer for build deps:
[20:54] <vila> [09/01 21:50] <nacc> german_pizza: which means you'd use `apt-get build-dep` and build the source package
[20:54] <vila> german_pizza: think about build deps as everything you need to build the package
[20:55] <german_pizza> I lost it
[20:55] <german_pizza> I'm sorry
[20:55] <vila> german_pizza: apt-get build-dep <pkg>
[20:55] <german_pizza> Thanks everybody
[20:56] <trneal> does anyone here know what the ubuntu release SNS subscription ARN is?
[20:57] <nacc> trneal: you might ask in #ubuntu-server
[20:57] <trneal> i can do that, thank you!
[20:58] <DexterF> Andreysan, if you disconnect the disk, what you see in the BIOS cannot be the disk.
[20:58] <DexterF> is it possible you installed GRUB to a diffent medium, a usb stick, another disk or so?
[20:58] <DexterF> is there more than one disk installed? did you install rub to the usb stick accidentally?
[21:00] <fishcooker> is suspend using disk to ooperate or just using swap or memory?
[21:01] <hfp> Hi, does Netplan on 17.10 know how to handle pppoe connections?
[21:01] <hfp> I can't find anything relevant to that in the docs
[21:02] <nacc> fishcooker: suspend uses ram (not swap, which is disk), aiui
[21:02] <nacc> fishcooker: going to disk is called hibernnate
[21:04] <fishcooker> nacc as i said before 3 days ago the last successful suspend, i have enough ram Mem:           7899        1961        4060         105        1878        5536
[21:04] <ikonia> win 1
[21:04] <fishcooker> now i can't ... i used all stock kernel but no luck nacc
[21:05] <TJ-> hfp: it doesn't seem so; I don't see anything either
[21:06] <TJ-> fishcooker: check 'dmesg' or /var/log/kern.log for clues around the suspend attempt, usually if it fails the kernel will log a message about the failing device/driver
[21:06] <fishcooker> actually it successfully suspend then in 2 seconds it resuming again TJ-
[21:07] <TJ-> fishcooker: right, so check the log, it may indicate why it resumed. usually it's some device failing to go to S3 so the kernel recovers.
[21:08] <TJ-> fishcooker: we've seen instances of faulty firmware where the first suspend after boot works, but later suspends don't, too. Is this the first suspend after boot, or had the PC already suspended successfully previously ?
[21:09] <hfp> TJ-: right, so could I use netplan for some of the network config and networkmanager for the pppoe connections?
[21:09] <fishcooker> TJ-: first suspend after boot
[21:10] <TJ-> hfp: Hmmm, not sure. I think I'd do away wth netplan unless I was trying to deploy to lots of desktops, and just directly apply the Network Manager config file
[21:10] <TJ-> fishcooker: has it previously worked with Ubuntu? If so, is this happening after a kernel upgrade?
[21:11] <fishcooker> yes
[21:11] <fishcooker> i've tried using the oldest kernel but no luck
[21:12] <TJ-> fishcooker: hmmm. if you can pastebin the latest /var/log/kern.log that covers a suspend attempt we may be able to find a clue
[21:13] <fishcooker> i will read the kern.log and dmesg output TJ-
[21:17] <folatt> What's the equivalent of 'iwconfig wlan0 channel auto' for iw?
[21:18] <nagyg> hi
[21:18] <alexey_> hi all :) need you advice! Any meltdown&spectre kernel updates are ready?
[21:22] <nullifidian> vulnurabilities everywhere! in nvidia drivers too https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4611
[21:22] <mdew> alexey_: I don't think so. There are some in testing from what I understand from #ubuntu-server.
[21:23] <whaley> is there a standard place to mount extra hard drive partitions that are installed internally?  I realize it doesn't matter, really, but as I understand it the convention is /media is for external drives and /mnt is for temporary mounting.
[21:23] <hfp> whaley: wondering about this too myself
[21:23] <whaley> basically, I've got a 2TB internal disk I just installed and was going to mount it to a directory in my $HOME unless there's a more conventional spot
[21:24] <hfp> whaley: ubuntu seems to put everything in /media by default
[21:25] <TJ-> whaley: /media/$USER/ is the base used by udisks for hot-plug storage. For permanent storage I mount the file-systems where they're needed. I use LVM too so I can have LVs on-demand for specific purposes
[21:26] <samprime516> test
[21:27] <whaley> TJ-: *nod* thanks
[21:28] <nagyg> Anyone has experience here with systemd-resolved or dnsmasq? I have a dnsmasq config from Ubuntu 16.10 which on 17.10 has problems because of systemd-resolved. Should I simply disable systemd-resolved or can I transfer the config somehow to systemd-resolved?
[21:28] <SethY> google search walmart applesauce
[21:28] <SethY> how much is walmart applesauce
[21:28] <samprime516> this is not google
[21:28] <SethY> google search walmart applesauce price
[21:28] <nagyg> 1.98 :D
[21:28] <SethY> hey google walmart applesauce
[21:28] <pedrocr> weren't the meltdown/spectre kernels supposed to come out today?
[21:29] <SethY> google walmart applesauce
[21:29] <SethY> how do i delete this
[21:29] <hfp> nagyg: systemd-resolved is buggy, I pulled my hair out for a while until I realized that. I just disabled it and things work so much better now
[21:29] <SethY> google applesauce walmart price
[21:30] <Ben64> SethY: stop
[21:30] <SethY> walmart applesauce
[21:30] <hfp> nagyg: This is what I used to disable it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu/907249#907249
[21:30] <nagyg> hfp, thanks ... do I lose anything with disabling it?
[21:30] <Ben64> SethY: no, this is not how to search things online, go to http://www.google.com
[21:30] <SethY> how do i do a google search
[21:30] <SethY> please help
[21:30] <hfp> nagyg: it seems like it's messing up with vpns to some extent. I dont use vpns, and it fixed everything else I cared about
[21:31] <SethY> ben help me
[21:31] <SethY> google.com
[21:31] <Ben64> ikonia: still around?
[21:31] <ikonia> Ben64: hello ?
[21:31] <nagyg> hfp: I use vpn every day at workplace and it messes up my local name resolution :(
[21:31] <SethY> walmart applesauce
[21:31] <hfp> ikonia: SethY loves applesauce too much
[21:31] <Ben64> yeah that ^
[21:31] <ikonia> ahhh I see
[21:32] <ikonia> sorry, I wasn't paying attention
[21:32] <SethY> google applesauce
[21:32] <ikonia> SethY: enough with the messing around please
[21:32] <nagyg> hfp, I wil try what you sent to me and will see if that fixes my problems
[21:32] <ikonia> SethY: you're in an ubuntu support channel stick to that topic please or leave
[21:32] <SethY> walmart.om
[21:32] <hfp> nagyg: maybe make an image of your machine and try the SO fix. see how it works for you (and report in the SO thread so others benefit)
[21:32] <nagyg> ikonia, thanks :D
[21:32] <sambo> google applesause
[21:32] <ikonia> sorry, wasn't paying attention
[21:32] <nagyg> ahhhhahah :D
[21:33] <Ben64> np, thats what the ping was for :)
[21:34] <nagyg> hfp, I am not sure I understand what S0 fix is
[21:34] <hfp> nagyg: I meant SO as in Stack Overflow
[21:34] <nagyg> hfp, ah I see
[21:35] <hfp> nagyg: the answer I linked to shows how to disable systemd-resolved
[21:35] <nagyg> hfp, yes, I am reading it, thanks :)
[21:35] <hfp> nagyg: so yeah make an image of your disk so you can restore it if it messes anything up, and try disabling systemd-resolved, see if it breaks your vpn
[21:35] <hfp> nagyg: clonezilla is pretty good for imaging the full disk and restoring
[21:39] <apb1963> something is overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf with my ISP's nameservers rather than the nameservers I've setup in /etc/network/interfaces.  I disabled networkManager and wpa_supplicant.  What else might it be, and more importantly.. how can I make it stop doing that?  16.04
[21:42] <bemo> is dhcp running?
[21:42] <nagyg> hfp, I tried it and /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten every time :O
[21:42] <nagyg> it's a shame
[21:43] <apb1963> bemo, yes - both client & server; which to my understanding is correct.
[21:44] <bemo> does this help?  https://www.vultr.com/docs/stop-dhcp-from-changing-resolve-conf
[21:44] <hfp> nagyg: hmmm odd, it worked for me
[21:45] <hfp> nagyg: you can also try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624320/comments/8 but some things are still broken with it like ssh and ping
[21:46] <Guest53> Hi, I have an old Radeon X1900 XT that I'm trying to set up with a TV as a monitor. The grub and stuff all loads fine, but afterwards the TV starts saying "Invalid Format" which I think means that the resolution is not supported? I'm unable to change the resolution with xrandr, which gives me the "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" error.
[21:46] <Guest53> Anyone have any ideas or has experienced this issue before? :(
[21:47] <apb1963> bemo, those ideas will probably work... but if that's the accepted ubuntu way of doing things.... yuk.
[21:47] <TJ-> Guest53: what output is driving the TV, HDMI?
[21:47] <Guest53> TJ-: DVI
[21:48] <V7> Is okay so after lm-sensors reinstallation there's no pwmconfig ?
[21:48] <apb1963> TJ-, Hey thanks for your help yesterday!  I was able to get it working.  You were instrumental.
[21:48] <V7> ubuntu 16.04.3
[21:48] <Guest53> Well actually, a DVI to VGA adapter.
[21:48] <TJ-> Guest53: does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log show the GPU able to receive the TV's EDID info (the resolutions and timings data) ?
[21:48] <Guest53> TJ-: I'll check
[21:49] <apb1963> something is overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf with my ISP's nameservers rather than the nameservers I've setup in /etc/network/interfaces.  I disabled networkManager and wpa_supplicant.  What else might it be, and more importantly.. how can I make it stop doing that?  16.04
[21:51] <TJ-> apb1963: updates to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf are usually performed by hook scripts under /etc/resolvconf/update.d/ (and is sibling directories)
[21:51] <ycyclist> Say, two days ago I found an article about a notebook specific Ubuntu.  Now I cannot find it.
[21:51] <ycyclist> I have this insignia that detaches to be a screen only touch driven thing which I think is called a notebook or notepad.
[21:51] <dax> ubuntu netbook remix used to exist years and years and years ago. were you thinking about that?
[21:52] <Guest53> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26355717/
[21:52] <ycyclist> Anyway, I originally just wanted a simple small laptop, but it has this detachable feature, so I wonder what linux would be best?
[21:52] <ycyclist> Guest53 Perhaps.
[21:53] <ycyclist> I was afraid about the years ago thing.
[21:53] <apb1963> TJ-, thank you!  That's helpful.  There's one file there "libc"
[21:53] <ycyclist> This little thing "only" has 2 gig memory, and 32 gig SSD, so it is limited against heavier stuff like batteries of vms and multi-boots on the disk.
[21:54] <ycyclist> But I got vim working on powershell, so I am fine for now.
[21:54] <TJ-> apb1963: what about in /etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d/ ? it may have avahi config
[21:54] <apb1963> TJ-, yes
[21:54] <pos> has there been any comment as to the apparently delay (kernel)?
[21:55] <TJ-> Guest53: that is weird, the Sony TV reports EDID with max res 1280x720 on DVI-0 but then the driver does "Output DVI-0 using initial mode 1920x1080 +0+0" and reports a "Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync -vsync (67.5 kHz eP)"
[21:55] <Jef91> are there directions for building Wine on ubuntu 16.04 anywhere? Specifically I am looking for a list of dependencies. Can't seem to find a current one for wine staging
[21:55] <Guest53> TJ-: That's really odd. :(  I've ran other computers displaying on the TV at 1920x1080 resolution
[21:56] <Guest53> with no problem
[21:56] <TJ-> pos: PTI patched kernels are being published now for v4.13 (hwe-16.04-edge), 4.4 is still in the kernel PTI PPA for testing
[21:56] <TJ-> Guest53: does the TV do native 1920x1080p ?
[21:56] <V7> sudo apt install fancontrol was needed
[21:56] <Guest53> TJ-: I think so, lemme check real quick
[21:56] <pedrocr> apb1963: doesn't just uninstalling resolvconf work?
[21:56] <TJ-> Guest53: it looks as if the TV, on VGA, only reports supporting 1280x720 ... not sure why the driver is picking 1920x1080
[21:57] <pos> TJ-, just checked repos, is this mirror delay we're talking?
[21:58] <apb1963> pedrocr, that MAY work... but it's doubtful that's the right way.
[21:58] <apb1963> pedrocr, That's similar to chmod 777.  Yeah, it works.. but do you really want to do that?
[21:58] <jamiemh> Hello all , new here thought id say hi
[21:59] <pedrocr> apb1963: I don't know why you'd want dhcp with a fixed /etc/resolv.conf but if that's what you want you don't have much need for resolv.conf
[21:59] <pedrocr> s/resolv.conf/resolvconf
[21:59] <apb1963> pedrocr, I get a dhcp address from my ISP, and I'm running a DNS server for my own domain.
[22:00] <pedrocr> apb1963: what own domain?
[22:00] <TJ-> pos: published a few minutes ago, there are also other versions available for testing from the kernel PTI PPA
[22:00] <apb1963> pedrocr, The one I registered.
[22:00] <pos> alright then
[22:00] <pedrocr> apb1963: that's fine but that's no reason to not use the DNS server from your ISP
[22:01] <Ben64> TJ-: whats the new version?
[22:01] <pos> at least they kept their word as to the 9th. any specific reason for the 4.4 delay (re the issues msft ran into)?
[22:01] <apb1963> pedrocr, Other than I don't want to because I don't like what they do.
[22:01] <TJ-> apb1963: if you've disabled Network Manager are you running a standalone dhcpc ? Because with NM you can configure the connection to do "DHCP (Addresses only)" so it doesn't use nameservers provided by DHCP
[22:01] <pedrocr> apb1963: so use 8.8.8.8 or similar
[22:01] <pos> forced updates, works every time
[22:02] <apb1963> TJ-, dhcpd yes
[22:02] <pedrocr> apb1963: but what you are trying to do may be hard because it's not a natural config to use
[22:02] <apb1963> pedrocr, ok thanks for your help
[22:02] <Guest53> TJ-: Native resolution when running Windows is 1920x1080 for the TV
[22:02] <pedrocr> apb1963: if you're going to be unpleasant good luck...
[22:03] <apb1963> TJ-, I think I'd rather use NetworkManager, but I need to be able to do it all from a script.
[22:03] <TJ-> Ben64:  the 4.13 -108 package is in -security for  linux-image-4.13.0-24-generic_4.13.0-24.28~16.04.1_amd64.deb
[22:04] <apb1963> pedrocr, I didn't realize "thank you" was "unpleasant".
[22:04] <TJ-> Guest53: something weird there then, you can see the TV doesn't report supporting 1920x1080
[22:04] <Ben64> hmm, my apt doesn't see it yet
[22:05] <pedrocr> apb1963: you're just snapping back responses instead of actually describing what you're trying to do
[22:05] <pedrocr> is this a server or a user machine? does your own dns server resolve the whole internet or just your domain? etc...
[22:06] <nagyg> can anyone enlighten me what's the connection between network manager, systemd resolved and dnsmasq? I have all three on 17.10 with a previously working dnsmasq setup and it seems that the other two are just interfering with dnsmasq overwriting /etc/resolv.conf all the time. Tried disabling systemd-resolved with no luck.
[22:06] <Richard_Cavell> When are these updates available for Spectre/Meltdown bugs?  I'm on 16.04 and I can see header updates but no kernel updates
[22:06] <Guest53> TJ-: My bad, not enough context lines
[22:06] <Guest53> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26355788/
[22:07] <apb1963> pedrocr, its both server and... user.  My dns server resolves all.
[22:07] <Ben64> Richard_Cavell: should be very soon with hwe-edge
[22:08] <TJ-> Guest53: !!! that was a terribly accurate ommision; are you testing me!? :)
[22:08] <pedrocr> apb1963: so what dns server does your server use to resolve everything but your own domain?
[22:08] <Guest53> TJ-: Nah, I'm just feeling under the weather :(
[22:09] <DexterF> what's the difference between some wifi module and a mac80211 module?
[22:09] <apb1963> pedrocr, I use three others.  8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 and ns1.afraid.org
[22:09] <apb1963> the last one generally gets chopped off
[22:10] <pedrocr> apb1963: so why don't you just configure those DNS servers directly instead of pointing local resolution to your own DNS server?
[22:10] <apb1963> huh?
[22:10] <TJ-> Guest53: I've seen this before with TVs, where the modeline published in EDID doesn't work. The last time I dealt with it was many years ago though, and that time I used a Windows PC and the 'powerline' tool to capture the working modeline, and then added i manually using xorg.conf/xrandr
[22:10] <Yuji> TJ-: Are you the TJ that assisted a Yuji in attempting to install Kubuntu to an external USB3 disk that would keel over, possibly due to a buggy product or driver/bug with Linux regarding the hardware?
[22:10] <jk^> !rar
[22:11] <pedrocr> apb1963: network manager allows you to override DNS servers while using DHCP, just set it to whatever you want
[22:11] <TJ-> Yuji: I don't think I have a twin :)
[22:11] <Guest53> TJ-: What do you recommend I try? :)
[22:11] <pedrocr> apb1963: if you want to do it the old school way just remove resolvconf from the system entirely
[22:12] <Yuji> TJ-: I had forgotten your name specifically. Bad memory myself, few bits gone I suppose. I can't recall what you recommended I do if I never got it working. Something about contacting a hardware thread or mailing list or something..
[22:12] <TJ-> Yuji:  the  Asmedia chipset ASM1352R ?
[22:12] <Yuji> TJ-: Yes, that would be it. :)
[22:13] <banisterfiend> yo guys, how to i rebind the copy/paste shortcut keys? I can't stand C-c and C-v as it drives my emacs muscle memory crazy
[22:13] <Yuji> TJ-: I have some free time for a while, so I thought I'd try and file a bug report or do whatever might be necessary to help others about it.
[22:13] <TJ-> Yuji: did you manage to test those usb_storage quirks= options?
[22:14] <Yuji> banisterfiend: If Kubuntu, "Standard Shortcuts" has an option to override that behavior. Not sure if it is what you're looking for exactly.
[22:14] <TJ-> Yuji: from the last time:
[22:14] <TJ-> 2018-01-05 18:19:45     TJ-     Yuji: the only thing/quirk I can find is related to the ASM1042A requiring flow control when USB Ethernet devices are connected, nothing else. I think it'd be a good idea to report a bug on the kernel bugzilla and then send an email to the sub-system discussion list: linux-usb@vger.kernel.org (open list:USB XHCI DRIVER)
[22:14] <Yuji> TJ-: I was going to try it today. :)
[22:14] <pedrocr> apb1963: but you're using a very strange setup for no benefit that I can see
[22:15] <banisterfiend> Yuji is it possible to do it in the terminal instead of via the UI? cos i'm actually doing this for elementaryOS which is based on ubuntu but has a totally different UI -- but i'm sure the underlying 'fix' would be the same
[22:15] <pedrocr> apb1963: doing local resolution of DNS and serving DNS for a domain are generally very different things not handled by the same DNS servers even
[22:15] <pedrocr> apb1963: it's not impossible but it also doesn't gain you much if anything
[22:15] <TJ-> Yuji: 2018-01-05 18:39:15     TJ-     Yuji: did you try reloading the usb_storage module with a quirk? as in "modprobe usb_storage quirks=174c:1356:u" ?  ...  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/usb.c#n490
[22:15] <Yuji> banisterfiend: I wouldn't know. I've only ever used Gnome 2, KDE, Cinnamon.
[22:16] <Yuji> TJ-: I've grabbed a picture of the dialogue so as to remember across live-USBs. I'll try editing grub's boot param to include the quirk specific to the usb device. Hope it works.
[22:19] <TJ-> Guest53: I'm not sure, I'd try using xrandr to change resolution to 1280x720 to being with, see if I can get a working picture on the TV. Maybe have to SSH into the PC to do that if it doesn't have another display, so would need to do "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output DVI-0 --size 1280x720" -- see the EXAMPLES section of "man xrandr" for how to add new (test) modes
[22:20] <TJ-> Yuji: better off just "sudo modprobe -r usb-storage" to remove it then "sudo modprobe usb-storage quirks=xxxx" to test them
[22:20] <TJ-> Yuji: no need to reboot for testing the various quirks
[22:21] <Yuji> TJ-: Yeah, a pain to edit the grub and repack every time.
[22:21] <TJ-> Yuji: also, check if that device might also need 'uas': "sudo modprobe uas" (which depends on usb-storage)
[22:21] <Yuji> TJ-: The installation medium is also USB.
[22:21] <Yuji> TJ-: Wouldn't this cause issues with it?
[22:22] <TJ-> Yuji: ahhh... hmmm, drat :)
[22:22] <Yuji> TJ-: That's why I originally edit grub every time.
[22:22] <apb1963> pedrocr, In what way do "doing local resolution of DNS and serving DNS for a domain are generally very different things" differ?
[22:22] <TJ-> Yuji: could you test it in a virtual machine; pass-through just the USB storage device to the VM?
[22:23] <Yuji> TJ-: That could be viable. I could switch back to Windows to do that (VMware Workstation). Hm.
[22:23] <TJ-> Yuji: right, that would be much faster since you'd not need to reboot the Linux VM either, just use the modprobe procedure
[22:23] <Yuji> TJ-: I'll follow up in a bit, gotta try some stuff around.
[22:23] <pedrocr> apb1963: usually DNS resolution for a domain is done by a DNS server somewhere that only resolves that domain
[22:24] <pedrocr> apb1963: meanwhile that server itself just uses normal ISP or Google DNS servers to resolve the things it needs itself
[22:24] <Guest53> TJ-: I've tried that, but to no avail :(
[22:24] <TJ-> Yuji: it'd be interesting as a test, if that device works inside a VM without a quirk that would be an interesting and useful datapoint
[22:26] <pedrocr> apb1963: the things you want from a DNS server for a domain (authorative response for just the few hosts in the domain) are different from what you want from your DNS server to resolve for the total internet (fast, usually cached, responses to all sorts of domains)
[22:27] <pedrocr> apb1963: it's of course possible to configure DNS servers to do both jobs (as you've apparently done) but there's not much reason to
[22:27] <apb1963> pedrocr, Yes.  I'm talking about an authoritatively responding server.
[22:27] <pedrocr> apb1963: there's no reason to set an authoritative name server in resolv.conf
[22:28] <pedrocr> apb1963: just set 8.8.8.8 or something like that in resolv.conf and that will call your name server in the few cases it needs resolution for your domain
[22:28] <Guest53> TJ-: Thanks for the help! But I think I might just stick with Windows for the TV
[22:29] <apb1963> pedrocr, Maybe it's just me, but to go to another name server so that it can call your own name server, doesn't seem the most efficient way of handling it.
[22:31] <pedrocr> apb1963: what's inefficient about it? if you're worried about the roundtrips to google those are very short, and what you're doing, as you've found out, is a much more complex thing to setup and configure
[22:31] <apb1963> pedrocr, IMHO, calling my local name server first to see if it resolves is the "natural" order of things.
[22:31] <pedrocr> apb1963: you're reinventing the wheel and complaining that ubuntu doesn't make it easier to do
[22:32] <pedrocr> apb1963: but by all means, just uninstall resolv.conf and set /etc/resolv.conf manually
[22:32] <pedrocr> apb1963: it will probably work
[22:32] <apb1963> pedrocr, It's clear you can't help me.  Thank you for trying.
[22:33] <pedrocr> apb1963: you're really ungrateful, I've given you several solutions to do exactly what you want and an explanation of what the natural thing to do is
[22:33] <pedrocr> apb1963: but by all means behave like an asshole
[22:33] <apb1963> pedrocr, I said thank you.  If that translate to something else in your language, I'm sorry.
[22:34] <Yuji> TJ-: It appears to have worked. I'll have to verify the filesystem after the installation is done. Or I've lost another 2TB-filled drive to an accident...again. (That's what happened the last time I tried figuring this out). :P
[22:35] <TJ-> Yuji: which "it" is making it work?
[22:35] <Yuji> TJ-: Ah my bad. The edited grub quirk insert. :)
[22:36] <TJ-> oh, quirks=xxx:yyyy:u ?
[22:36] <Yuji> TJ-: Trying now to determine a username convention.. firstInitialLastName or name.name (preferred but Ubuntu has hated that forever it seems).
[22:36] <Yuji> TJ-: Yes. :)
[22:36] <TJ-> Yuji: right, if you can report a bug about that we can see about getting it into the kernel upstream and into Ubuntu
[22:36] <TJ-> !bug | Yuji
[22:36] <nacc> Yuji: name.name is a bad idea, IMO -- you're going to make it hard to grep etc., do to '.' matching any character
[22:37] <Yuji> TJ-: If this works, of course. :)
[22:37] <Yuji> nacc: I'm familiar with grep and regex.
[22:37] <Yuji> nacc: I still quite prefer it. :)
[22:37] <Yuji> nacc: But the note is most appreciated. :)
[22:37]  * TJ- breaks Yuji's policy instantly; can't fit a dot between T and J :p
[22:38] <Yuji> TJ-: Oh?
[22:38] <Yuji> TJ-: :D
[22:38] <Yuji> TJ-: It definitely appears to be working now. I'll do another reinstall after this to verify it. If it works, what package name would I use?
[22:40] <apb1963> TJ-, I'm not 100% certain, but avahi-daemon may not be overwriting considering I found this in its conf file: #publish-resolv-conf-dns-servers=yes
[22:40] <TJ-> Yuji: "linux"
[22:40] <Yuji> TJ-: Ah good. :)
[22:40] <SecurityIntel> Hey all, I have an encrypted HD, and I want to install on another HD windows (on a non encrypted drive) can I install windows without breaking grub on the "main" HD?
[22:41] <TJ-> Yuji: make sure you specify the USB Vendor:Device ID of the storage unit :)
[22:41] <Yuji> TJ-: Of course. :) Very important.
[22:41] <TJ-> Yuji: you'd be surprised how often reports leave off the vital info
[22:42] <TJ-> SecurityIntel: If you rely on the system firmware to choose the boot device, or it's an UEFI system, that should not be a problem
[22:42] <Yuji> TJ-: I've read quite a few reports and I've been surprised myself about how many would be so vague. :)
[22:43] <alexey_> quit
[22:44] <Yuji> TJ-: Is there any particular command to see a list of the quirks defined for a device in particular?
[22:45] <TJ-> Yuji: no, you need to look at the module source-code; I linked it to you earlier
[22:46] <Yuji> TJ-: I meant on a live system, any that are manually specified.
[22:47] <Yuji> TJ-: Such as if I had one at grub, the ability to list that (without knowing I had done it).
[22:47] <Yuji> TJ-: Specifically without reviewing source.
[22:47] <mars> hello guys:)
[22:48] <TJ-> Yuji: quirks are internal to the source code; that's where they are documented
[22:49] <Yuji> TJ-: There are multiple ways to specify a quirk, for devices not yet added into source code. One example would be grub, another would be if someone manually modprobed. I was hoping to see if I could get a 'current list of quirks' for the manually specified. I'll try and hunt around for this.
[22:51] <gambl0re> hello?
[22:52] <gambl0re> for some reason the color on my screen looks off. at certain times it looks as if you're looking at the screen at an angle but this is when im looking directly straight at the screen
[22:52] <gambl0re> do i need to calibrate my laptop display?
[22:53] <Yuji> gambl0re: Some drivers in Windows install color profiles when pre-loaded from a manufacturer. If one switches operating systems, they may not have brought their color profile with them, so things might not appear the same. This may or may not be what you're seeing.
[22:54] <Yuji> gambl0re: I had the particular issue I described with an HP business-class laptop back in the day.
[22:54] <gambl0re> yuji?
[22:54] <vook> Any ideas when CVE-2017-5715 and CVE-2017-5753 (Spectre 1 and 2) are expected to be resolved?  I'm weighing whether I should update my hypervisors now to 4.4.0-108 or if I should wait a bit longer (non-public systems).
[22:54] <Yuji> gambl0re: Yes?
[22:54] <gambl0re> i have a japanese friend named yuji. are you japanese?
[22:54] <gambl0re> do you happen to live in tokyo?
[22:54] <Yuji> gambl0re: Ah no, not Tokyo. :) Nor Kyoto.
[22:55] <gambl0re> ok so you are not my friend then...
[22:55] <gambl0re> so what do i do to fix my screen issue?
[22:55] <nacc> !kpti > vook
[22:55] <nacc> vook: further questions in #ubuntu-hardened, please
[22:56] <TJ-> Yuji: youd find the quirk types in the source-code, in userspace they are combined with the vendor:device ID and passed to usb-storage. Once kernel dev's are aware of a device requiring the quirk it is incorporated into the source, at which point no userspace action is required. So a list would be forever out-of-date
[22:57] <Yuji> TJ-: I understand that...it isn't what I was asking about. I'm asking about run-time. Such as an ls-usbquirks command to list any quirks being used by any devices currently, including the ones I've manually specified. It's alright, I'll just tinker with some stuff to find out.
[22:58] <TJ-> Yuji: oh! if there were it'd be revealed via sysfs
[22:59] <nerd8622> hi
[22:59] <Yuji> TJ-: cat /sys/module/usb_storage/parameters/quirks
[22:59] <Yuji> TJ-: That works.
[23:00] <TJ-> Yuji: that's it
[23:02] <Yuji> TJ-: The reason for needing that is to see a list of currently running so that I can verify a conf I create successfully tells usb-storage to load the quirk.
[23:02] <TJ-> Yuji: i realised that once I figured out what you were asking :p
[23:03] <Yuji> TJ-: Yeah. The fresh install may not load itself correctly unless I can get the conf working right, since it isn't in module source already.
[23:03] <Yuji> TJ-: So I'm hoping I can specify it, check and see before wasting time setting up a desktop when it could keel over any second.
[23:10] <TheNH813> Akonadi Server Self Test fails. Control process and server process not registered at D-Bus, no resource agents found, no server log found. Using Kubuntu 14.04.
[23:10] <TheNH813> Any suggestions where to start troubleshooting?
[23:10] <TheNH813> I just want to use KMail.
[23:13] <Sveta> TheNH813: what user are you running kmail with?
[23:14] <TheNH813> My regular user account. I just finished installing Kubuntu yesterday.
[23:15] <TheNH813> It's named "administrator" as I always name it and UID 1000.
[23:15] <TheNH813> Does the akonadi server need to be started as root?
[23:16] <Sveta> Ok, thanks, nice to know. What do you see in "settings -> advanced -> kde resources"? Do yuo have an akonadi resource for contacts and one for the calendar?
[23:17] <TheNH813> Let me check.
[23:18] <TheNH813> Settings on KMail or Akonadi server?
[23:19] <dragosdrgm12> hi
[23:20] <dragosdrgm12> help me please
[23:20] <dragosdrgm12> i learn ubuntu
[23:20] <TheNH813> What do you need help with in specific?
[23:20] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: please just ask a support questionn, if you have oe.
[23:20] <dragosdrgm12> and i don't understand at ssh connection.
[23:21] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: what don't you understand? how ssh works? what ssh is? etc/
[23:21] <TheNH813> What are you trying to do, connect over ssh or start a ssh server?
[23:21] <dragosdrgm12> yes
[23:21] <TheNH813> So, connect over ssh, or start a server?
[23:21] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: we are giving you choices, 'yes' is an invalid answer.
[23:21] <dragosdrgm12> i don't understand at password
[23:21] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you don't know what a password is?
[23:21] <_KaszpiR_> welcome to ubuntu
[23:21] <TheNH813> You need to enter the password of the account you're logging into when ssh asks for a pssword.
[23:22] <dragosdrgm12> yes and i don't know how to see
[23:22] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: it will not echo the password. That would be insecure.
[23:22] <TheNH813> Just type the password and press enter. IT won't show what you're typing ofr security reasons.
[23:22] <dragosdrgm12> how to see password at anthor computers?
[23:23] <TheNH813> Do you know the password to log into that computer?
[23:23] <dragosdrgm12> no
[23:23] <TheNH813> Well, then you'l need to get it somehow.
[23:23] <TheNH813> Is it your computer?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> yes
[23:24] <TheNH813> Which account?
[23:24] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: and you don't konw the password?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> work on anthor computers?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> no
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> i don't
[23:24] <TheNH813> So, you don't know the username?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> username yes
[23:25] <dragosdrgm12> password
[23:25] <TheNH813> Is it the root account?
[23:25] <TheNH813> Because in that case the root account has no remote access credentials.
[23:25] <Sveta> TheNH813: settings -> advanced -> kde resources.
[23:25] <dragosdrgm12> idk i use ubuntu mate and work on pi 3
[23:25] <Sveta> TheNH813: if this does not exist, check akonadi settings.
[23:25] <TJ-> dragosdrgm12: if the username on the remote PC is different to the username on the local PC, you need to do "ssh user@host" where 'user' is the username of the account on the remote PC
[23:25] <Sveta> TheNH813: also, did you try to restart kmail?
[23:25] <TheNH813> Yes.
[23:26] <dragosdrgm12> username i can see with nmap no??
[23:27] <apb1963> pedrocr, The solution (though slightly outdated) that works for me (with minor adjustments) is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OverrideDNSServers - thanks for your attempts, I appreciate you trying to help.
[23:27] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you just said you knew the username.
[23:27] <dragosdrgm12> wait
[23:27] <apb1963> TJ-, Your solution would have been ideal if I were using NM, but having gone off in a different direction, this solution seems to work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OverrideDNSServers
[23:27] <dragosdrgm12> i don't know how to see password for ssh and school pc
[23:28] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you don't see password
[23:28] <mohammad>  linuxlove
[23:28] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: are you trying to hack your school's pc? that is not supported here.
[23:28] <dragosdrgm12> no
[23:28] <apb1963> TJ-, thanks for all your support.  you're the best.
[23:28] <TheNH813_ALT> Well, hold on one second.
[23:28] <dragosdrgm12> i make test security with teach.
[23:30] <dragosdrgm12> because childs enter in dark google and i see and block
[23:31] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you are claiming to be a security ... teacher? but don't know how to ssh?
[23:31] <Yuji> gambl0re: Glad to have been able to help you fix your problem. :)
[23:31] <dragosdrgm12> yes
[23:31] <apb1963> nacc, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king :)
[23:31] <dragosdrgm12> teach tell me ssh password
[23:31] <TheNH813_ALT_> Okay
[23:32] <TheNH813_ALT_> Or sorry I didn't mean okay to you.
[23:32] <dragosdrgm12> and i understand where he see
[23:32] <nacc> apb1963: it's better to stay blind in this case.
[23:32] <Yuji> apb1963: But there would not be an eyed man in the land of the blind. Only the blind.
[23:32] <dragosdrgm12> in finally how to see ssh password?
[23:33] <apb1963> Yuji, Haven't you ever heard of illegal immigration?
[23:33] <Yuji> apb1963: Yes, when the British went to America and wiped out all the Native Americans.
[23:33] <Sveta> TheNH813: perhaps if you are still stuck, as #kubuntu, they have kde next to them and can say what to click
[23:33] <apb1963> Yuji, not all
[23:34] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you don't seem to be llistening. You can't see the ssh password on the local machine and it's secured so you don't see it on the remote in plaintext.
[23:34] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: as a security 'teacher', you should undrestand that.
[23:34] <TheNH813> Sveta Okay I'l try that.
[23:34] <TheNH813> Sveta: Would using a VPN interfere with the server in any way?
[23:34] <Sveta> TheNH813: assuming you're using kde (rather than kmail on a non-kde flavour)
[23:34] <Sveta> TheNH813: akonadi uses local servers, I don't think a vpn would affect their work
[23:34] <TheNH813> Okay.
[23:34] <Sveta> TheNH813: but if you're in doubt, switch your vpn off for a second and test
[23:35] <TheNH813> Yeah it did nothing. Definitely wasn't the VPN.
[23:35] <Sveta> great
[23:36] <TheNH813> As a side note, I noticed my IP is logged in the username.
[23:36] <Sveta> now you know at least that :-)
[23:36] <TheNH813> Hm... maybe the database is corrupted. I'l try deleting it.
[23:36] <Sveta> You mean, your vpn username includes the ip?
[23:36] <TheNH813> No, on the irc here. "TheNH813_ALT (~quassel@h69-131-177-131.mdfdwi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has quit"
[23:37] <Sveta> The error message does not sound like a corrupted data base. It sounds like something does not exist at all and needs to be added.  If you decide to remove data, make a copy first.
[23:37] <Sveta> Ah, that's not your username. That's your hostname.
[23:37] <TheNH813> Well, the hostname has the ip in it. "69.131.177.131"
[23:37] <Sveta> Technically, your username there is '~quassel', your nickname is TheNH813, and your hostname is the bit after the @.
[23:37] <TheNH813> Guess that because that account is unregistered.
[23:38] <Sveta> Even if your hostname didn't have the IP spelled out like this, anyone can use `host h69-131-177-131.mdfdwi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net` to find out what the IP is.
[23:38] <TheNH813> True.
[23:38] <Sveta> For example, `host ubuntu.com` also works in the same way.
[23:38] <TheNH813> Maybe D-Bus is what's not working.
[23:38] <Sveta> My account is registered, but my IP still shows. This is because it is IRC.
[23:38] <Sveta> It is normal and does not need any worrying.
[23:38] <TheNH813> Okay.
[23:39] <jk^> hi all... i read thar unrar and unrar-free are just for extract archives and unrar-free just for old archive's formats. Then i think i need rar. I found it both in "Lubuntu Software Center" and in "Package Manager (Synaptci)". Where have i to download it from?
[23:39] <TheNH813> Either would work.
[23:39] <TheNH813> Or use the command "sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree"
[23:39] <Sveta> TheNH813: Since I don't have KDE near me, I can't guide you where to find the 'kde resources' settings. It does need to be under 'System Settings' somewhere. You could type 'akonadi' at the right top corner and see what results it shows.
[23:40] <Sveta> TheNH813: you are using kubuntu (kde), correct?
[23:40] <jk^> *Synaptic
[23:40] <TheNH813> Yup. Kubuntu 14.04. Due to other versions having a driver problem. I  wanted to use fglrx.
[23:40] <Sveta> jk^: try unrar-free first, it does the job in most cases.
[23:40] <Sveta> TheNH813: ok, I've joined #kubuntu now, then.
[23:40] <jk^> (Some typing errors) hi all... i read that unrar and unrar-free are just for extract archives and unrar-free just for old archive's formats. Then i think i need rar. I found it both in "Lubuntu Software Center" and in "Package Manager (Synaptc)". Where have i to download it from?
[23:41] <TheNH813> Sveta: Okay
[23:41] <Sveta> jk^: lubuntu software center and synaptic use the same list of packages to search, often you find the results are the same.
[23:41] <Sveta> jk^: try unrar-free first. Does it work for your .rar files?
[23:42] <jk^> Unrar can extract files from .rar archives. Can't handle some archives in
[23:42] <jk^> the RAR 3.0 format natively. Package "unar" can be used to extract those
[23:42] <jk^> archives if installed.
[23:42] <PTNapivoski> jk^, p7zip-full and p7zip-rar
[23:42] <jk^> !unrar-free
[23:42] <Sveta> jk^: you need to use unrar-free until one day you have a file that does not work.
[23:42] <Sveta> jk^: you do not need to install unrar (non-free) unless this happens.
[23:43] <jk^> ok Sveta
[23:50] <jk^> Sveta, W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_sh' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permesso negato)
[23:51] <PTNapivoski> jk^, wait to use
[23:51] <jk^> why PTNapivoski ?
[23:52] <PTNapivoski> jk^, it seems that apt is being used
[23:52] <PTNapivoski> jk^, that thing happens when other software is beeing updated
[23:52] <Sveta> jk^: you have synaptic and software center open.
[23:53] <Sveta> jk^: close one of them two.
[23:53] <jk^> ok
[23:55] <nightfly> 4.4.0-108 kernel is kernel panicking some of my workstations. Any plans on another release soon?
[23:55] <nightfly> (4.4.0-108.131)