[00:32] <Kamilion> doesn't p7zip and file-roller create rars?
[00:32] <wxl> yikes never tried
[00:32] <Kamilion> also, probably won't be able to modify a RARv3; it hasn't been supported for very long in WinRAR either.
[00:33] <wxl> p7zup works if non-free p7zip-rar is installed
[00:33] <wxl> s/zup/zip/
[00:33] <Kamilion> in order to create the newer propritary format, you'll probably have to install wine, and pay for winrar.
[00:37] <wxl> file:///usr/share/doc/p7zip-full/DOCS/MANUAL/switches/type.htm
[00:37] <wxl> doesn't really say what specific RAR formats are supported
[00:41] <wxl> here's the one thing i found re: p7zip and rarv3 https://sourceforge.net/p/p7zip/discussion/383044/thread/68a6eb5a/?limit=25#e933
[00:50] <wxl> love that slogan tho
[00:50] <wxl> Lubuntu.  Nécessaire et suffisant.
[00:51] <wxl> at least it's up to date
[00:52] <wxl> uhhh ok wrong channel yay
[01:05] <Kamilion> urrghhh, when's the alpha 1 ISO gonna release, I've been waiting all day
[01:06] <tsimonq2> Apologies
[01:06] <wxl> sorry alpha 1's cancelled
[01:06] <tsimonq2> I should follow up on the MP
[01:06] <tsimonq2> s/MP/ML/
[01:06] <Kamilion> ?
[01:06] <Kamilion> canceled? what?
[01:07] <wxl> Kamilion: he has yet to email the mailing list the fact that Alpha 1 has been cancelled
[01:07] <wxl> tl;dr the SPI and Meltdown/Spectre mitigrations haven't landed in Bionic yet
[01:07] <wxl> also the builders are down due to Meltdown/Spectre
[01:07] <Kamilion> ... oh.
[01:07] <wxl> so they're just going to ditch Alpha 1
[01:07] <Kamilion> okay, well, the former, I would say "screw it, build anyway"
[01:07] <wxl> buuuuuuuut Artful Dot One will be out on the 11th XD
[01:07] <Kamilion> the latter is a bit more of a problem if you can't build...
[01:07]  * wxl ducks
[01:08] <Kamilion> yeah, that's worthless
[01:08] <Kamilion> not a LTS.
[01:08] <Kamilion> not touching it with a thirty foot pole
[01:08] <Kamilion> non-LTS releases eat machines
[01:08]  * wxl gives Kamilion a consolation prize
[01:08] <Kamilion> okay, so, when are the daily builds going to start back up?
[01:09] <Kamilion> also, why's lubuntu-next been stalled since late last month?
[01:10] <wxl> it hasn't been that long has it?
[01:10] <Kamilion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-next/daily-live/
[01:10] <Kamilion> 12-27's the last.
[01:10] <wxl> well, i'm not sure
[01:11] <wxl> but i will say this: the world went down around the 3rd
[01:11] <Kamilion> yeah, kpti
[01:11] <Kamilion> no big deal for me, I xen.
[01:12] <wxl> so it was probably some minor build error because of all the mucking around tsimonq2 has been doing with our seeds and git and cdimage and all
[01:12] <wxl> which i believe is all now fixed
[01:12] <wxl> but then the world was down, so.......
[01:12] <Kamilion> roger that
[01:12] <tsimonq2> Right
[01:12] <Kamilion> should be back in a week or so then?
[01:12] <wxl> yeah or less, i think
[01:12] <tsimonq2> Now it's all fixed and Git support has landed for seeds :D
[01:12] <tsimonq2> Yeah less than that
[01:13] <Kamilion> Can I twist y'all's arm into rolling a late alpha 1 once the proper boot patches have landed?
[01:13] <wxl> well maybe not less for LP getting fixed tho, eh, tsimonq2 ?
[01:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: I doubt it, the kernel fixes landed today. Honestly, I don't know anything for real here, but I'll bet that it'll be back up in 48 hours or less
[01:14] <wxl> Kamilion: *I* didn't talk to the release team about it so you can ask tsimonq2 about it but my guess is that without everyone else being on board, they'll just wait until Alpha 2
[01:14] <wxl> we DON'T have control over the infrastructure
[01:14] <Kamilion> aware.
[01:14] <tsimonq2> Right, Alpha 2 is a go, Alpha 1 is no-go
[01:14] <wxl> so, unless they're all a good, then you can twist all you want, but it won't matter
[01:14] <wxl> s/good/go/
[01:14] <Kamilion> so nobody's willing to even bother pushing for it
[01:14] <Kamilion> alrighty.
[01:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: I know, I could be totally wrong, but it's an educated guess given progress XD
[01:15] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: It was already pushed back a week to give time for people to get back from vac
[01:15] <tsimonq2> If we did it next week there would be a two week difference.
[01:15] <wxl> it's alpha 1, Kamilion. most flavors don't even care
[01:15] <tsimonq2> Not worth it imho
[01:15] <Kamilion> i figured the infra team would welcome having a test case to fire off when they think things are ready, even if it's a late release, the news sites would probably put it in a good light
[01:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: Kylin and Lubuntu always do XD
[01:15] <wxl> p.s. this is a little off topic for #lubuntu and should probably go to #lubuntu-devel but evs
[01:16] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: Well it's that and 17.10 spins also land this week so testing should go to that, really
[01:16] <wxl> tsimonq2: ack, but that's why i said MOST. we're not most.
[01:16] <Kamilion> damn right, lubuntu's almost always been A1 for the past six years of my knowledge
[01:16] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: 17.04 was no-go, couldn't get it together in time.
[01:16] <Kamilion> ... Testing for a release that's going to be SoL in a few months?
[01:16] <Kamilion> not to the LONG TERM SERVICE release?
[01:16] <Kamilion> *sigh*
[01:16] <Kamilion> priorities are weird.
[01:17] <tsimonq2> Alpha 1 vs. Pulled ISOs that need to get republished ASAP
[01:17] <tsimonq2> So yeah
[01:17] <tsimonq2> I can see it
[01:17] <wxl> well it is flipping bits and rendering BIOS (well, serial flashes) read-only
[01:17] <Kamilion> 17.10 already took the black eye, it's not like you can fix it now
[01:17] <wxl> so that's Kind Of Bad™
[01:17] <Kamilion> I've already told everyone I know not to upgrade to it, skip it, and do a fresh 18.04
[01:17] <Kamilion> or wait for 18.04.1 and go from 16.04 ->
[01:17] <tsimonq2> You can upgrade and be fine as of December 18th...
[01:18] <tsimonq2> (to 17.10)
[01:18] <tsimonq2> Soooo it's not completely bad
[01:18] <wxl> maybe we should reach out to flavour leads and see if they'd be into a late Alpha 1? i'm... not... entirely convinced of the need
[01:18] <Kamilion> no, 17.04 is a pile of half-unbroken crud, I tried to get my metapackages to work with 17.04, but too many things changed
[01:18] <tsimonq2> It's gotten a bad rep now, sure, but I wouldn't avoid it now
[01:18] <Kamilion> wxl: it's more of a good news item
[01:18] <tsimonq2> nonono, 17.10 Kamilion :)
[01:19] <Kamilion> "hey, we're late, and we got everything fixed, please test our late alpha 1"
[01:19] <wxl> Kamilion: i know. and i don't disagree. but it is what ti is.
[01:19] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: 17.10 was worse
[01:19] <Kamilion> lots of xorg problems
[01:19]  * tsimonq2 declares dead horse, let's go to #lubuntu-devel
[01:20] <Kamilion> that's why I needed A1
[01:20] <Kamilion> so I could get everything else up to date for what was likely to ship in 18.04
[01:20] <Kamilion> and figure out what was broken or could be worked around in the 3.3 months before release
[01:20] <tsimonq2> Please Kamilion, let's go to #lubuntu-devel, it's the better place for this :)
[01:20] <Kamilion> I have to dump supervisord this round
[01:21] <Kamilion> hold on, lemme reattach there
[01:21] <tsimonq2> ok
[01:21] <Pinkamena_D> how to set up static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces like other versions of ubuntu? I have put the valid information there, but it does not use the configuration on reboot. Also, there is no 'networking' service to reload and test the changes immediatly. Using ifconfig down/up also does not use the config
[01:22] <Pinkamena_D> only way I can get networking so far is to manually put it on ifconfig command switches
[01:24] <tsimonq2> Pinkamena_D: We recently did a switch to netplan, that's probably what you're looking for.
[01:25] <tsimonq2> !netplan
[01:25] <Pinkamena_D> tsimonq2: so I should not use the /etc/network/interfaces file anymore?
[01:25] <Kamilion> Pinkamena_D: should've been /etc/network/interfaces.d/<ifname> for a while now
[01:26] <Kamilion> /etc/network/interfaces has a line to import from there by default
[01:26] <Pinkamena_D> ok, maybe I look there, I have been using to 16.04 the other way
[01:26] <Pinkamena_D> there is no import line I think, 1 sec
[01:27] <Kamilion> also, networkmangler's probably got a hold of the adapter if you're on 16.04
[01:27] <Pinkamena_D> there is no network interfaces.d folder either
[01:27] <Pinkamena_D> I have removed network manager
[01:27] <Kamilion> well, there ya go then.
[01:28] <Pinkamena_D> is the networkmanager applet/package required to allow /etc/network/interfaces to work? I don't believe so but possibly it is different in lubuntu?
[01:28] <Kamilion> Nope, not at all.
[01:28] <Pinkamena_D> I thought that package was for the gui client
[01:28] <Kamilion> nope.
[01:29] <Kamilion> networkmanager is the daemon
[01:29] <Kamilion> networkmanager-cli is the commandline interface...
[01:29] <Kamilion> and....
[01:29] <Kamilion> network-manager-gnome is the GUI client.
[01:29] <Kamilion> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=network-manager
[01:30] <Kamilion> so, if you had network mangler installed, it disabled /etc/network/interfaces somehow
[01:30] <Kamilion> checking on that, one moment
[01:30] <Pinkamena_D> Ok, I did try to use the config file before taking the action to uninstall the package
[01:30] <Pinkamena_D> I will try to install it again
[01:31] <Kamilion> i dump network mangler off my ISOs, and I use /etc/network/interfaces.d/
[01:31] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/tree/master/resources/xenial/mods/etc/network/interfaces.examples
[01:31] <Kamilion> plus I include a bunch of examples on my ISO
[01:31] <Kamilion> but that's probably not as helpful to you.
[01:32] <Kamilion> what state is your 'networking' boot unit in?
[01:32] <Kamilion> systemctl status networking
[01:33] <Kamilion> https://hastebin.com/akojupupic.rb
[01:33] <Pinkamena_D> my network config uses the 'inet static' which is not in your examples, but has always worked fine on other ubuntu 16.04 servers
[01:33] <Pinkamena_D> I will need to get back the networking package or repair this
[01:33]  * Kamilion snaps fingers
[01:34] <Kamilion> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/networking.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)    ?
[01:36] <Kamilion> yo comprende instructionnes?
[01:36] <Pinkamena_D> I have ssh on local network working but package manager gives network unreachable. Do you know any quick fix or should I just reinstall? I am just messing with the system so nothing important is there
[01:37] <Pinkamena_D> (cant reinstall network-manager)
[01:37] <Kamilion> No response then?
[01:37] <Pinkamena_D> that one you said it just (obviously, at this point) Unit networking.service could not be found.
[01:37] <Kamilion> k, one sec
[01:38] <Kamilion> wajig> whichpkg /lib/systemd/system/networking.service
[01:38] <Kamilion> INSTALLED MATCHES (x1)
[01:38] <Kamilion> ----------------------
[01:38] <Kamilion> ifupdown: /lib/systemd/system/networking.service
[01:38] <Kamilion> there you go, apt install ifupdown
[01:39] <Kamilion> systemctl enable networking
[01:39] <Kamilion> systemctl start networking
[01:39] <Kamilion> and you're good to go.
[01:39] <Pinkamena_D> I get network unreachable from the package manager
[01:39] <Pinkamena_D> I guess I would just sftp the deb
[01:39] <Kamilion> that works
[01:39] <Kamilion> it's tiny
[01:40] <Kamilion> usb stick and dpkg -i would probably work too
[01:40] <Kamilion> but that should get your networking back immediately if your /etc/network/interfaces has the correct info in it
[01:40] <Kamilion> as soon as you 'systemctl start networking'
[01:41] <Kamilion> (also, the wajig package manager manager is your buddy)
[01:41] <Kamilion> whichpkg is such a useful command from it
[01:41] <Pinkamena_D> service has error...
[01:42] <Pinkamena_D> failed to raise interface
[01:42] <Kamilion> no biggie, something's wrong in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:42] <Kamilion> fix it and 'systemctl restart networking'
[01:43] <Pinkamena_D> https://bpaste.net/show/16f774de2699
[01:43] <Pinkamena_D> heres what I got
[01:44] <Kamilion> Pinkamena_D: https://hastebin.com/futibaroka.rb
[01:44] <Kamilion> here's my running config off one machine.
[01:45] <Kamilion> your config looks correct
[01:45] <Pinkamena_D> hmm
[01:45] <Kamilion> it matches the syntax of mine
[01:45] <Kamilion> all my extra lines are for openvswitch bridging, you can ignore them
[01:46] <Pinkamena_D> the error is "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" for that interface
[01:46] <Kamilion> oh
[01:46] <Pinkamena_D> I tried replacing your 'start' with 'restart'
[01:46] <Kamilion> systemctl stop networking
[01:46] <Kamilion> systemctl start networking
[01:46] <Pinkamena_D> I guess for that I have to run to the server lol
[01:46] <Kamilion> sometimes it gets a bit goofy
[01:47] <Kamilion> oh
[01:47] <Kamilion> sec
[01:47] <Pinkamena_D> mah its k
[01:47] <Pinkamena_D> its close
[01:47] <Kamilion> systemctl stop networking; sleep 1; systemctl start networking
[01:47] <Kamilion> or, at this point, as long as 'systemctl enable networking' was done, you can just reboot
[01:47] <Pinkamena_D> hmm even after  `sudo systemctl stop networking` ssh stays connected - and starting gives the same error
[01:48] <Kamilion> poor thing's probably confuzzled
[01:48] <Kamilion> give it a reboot with the package in place and see if it purrs.
[01:48] <Pinkamena_D> lol nice
[01:48] <Pinkamena_D> ok
[01:49] <Kamilion> if all else fails, reinstall
[01:49] <Kamilion> and instead of removing network mangler, just disable it from boot
[01:49] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/xenial/25-apply-filesystem-mods.sh#L12
[01:50] <Kamilion> you want line 12 here.
[01:50] <Kamilion> can ignore the rest
[01:50] <Kamilion> systemctl disable NetworkManager ModemManager
[01:51] <Kamilion> that should keep things from breaking too badly on you
[01:51] <Kamilion> i have to keep network mangler around just in case someone using my ISO needs to use wifi
[01:51] <Pinkamena_D> wow awesome, I dont know exactly why that did not work before I removed networkmanager, but somehow it works now
[01:51] <Kamilion> cause nothing cued ifupdown for install
[01:52] <Pinkamena_D> ohhh
[01:52] <Pinkamena_D> thats missing from lubuntu I guess
[01:52] <Kamilion> which contains the boot script
[01:52] <Kamilion> possibly
[01:52] <Pinkamena_D> amazing, well I will never forget that
[01:52] <Pinkamena_D> thank you so much for the help!
[01:53] <Kamilion> Sure. Stop by again if you need further assistance.
[01:53] <Pinkamena_D> will do
[01:53] <Pinkamena_D> :P
[01:53] <Kamilion> someone shall certainly try to help
[01:53] <Kamilion> and you may get lucky and run into a developer who knows how the legos fit together
[01:54] <Kamilion> if you'd like to permanantly modify your own ISOs, you can use https://github.com/kamilion/customizer
[01:54] <Kamilion> i have no need of the office packages, so I remove them to shrink the ISO
[01:55] <Kamilion> I have a preshrunk 580MB 16.04 ISO at https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/releases/download/0.9.0-rc6/lubuntu-core-amd64-16.04.iso
[01:55] <Kamilion> feel free to make use of it if you wish
[01:55] <Pinkamena_D> mk, I was just trying out the best ubuntu for old slow equipment, to see what I can get out of it
[01:56] <Pinkamena_D> I dont think I will need to distribute, but I guess if its useful enough
[01:56] <Kamilion> what I do is shrink an ISO by getting rid of all the packages I don't want
[01:56] <Kamilion> and then build a new ISO on top of that one by adding all the missing packages I do want.
[01:56] <Kamilion> it only takes about 10 minutes to recompress the ISO
[01:57] <Pinkamena_D> I see, for my purposes, the storage size component is usually the least of worries :|
[01:57] <Kamilion> i just like being able to make custom USB sticks without having to turn on the "Persiantance" live usb mode
[01:58] <Kamilion> I didn't write customizer, I just keep it maintained and working on 16.04 and soon, 18.04
[01:58] <Kamilion> it's a pleasant little GUI
[01:58] <Kamilion> also, i don't want firefox on my discs, hahahaha
[01:59] <Kamilion> http://lunduke.com/2017/11/20/the-mozilla-conundrum/
[01:59] <Kamilion> it's literally the very first thing I replace, with qupzilla.
[02:00] <Kamilion> (this is the guy who did six years of "linux sucks" talks at linux conferences)
[02:01] <Kamilion> he's kinda gained enough street cred by this point for his opinion to be taken seriously
[02:01] <tsimonq2> .ir
[02:01] <tsimonq2> whoops
[02:01] <tsimonq2> (my brain wants /or but my fingers like .ir much better :P)
[02:02] <Kamilion> but i must stress, it is but an opinion; and just because *I* don't want firefox doesn't mean i'm gonna lobby lubuntu et-al to remove it or replace it
[02:02] <Kamilion> they've flopped between firefox and chromium too many times already :D
[02:03] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: is qupzilla going to be included with lxqt builds?
[02:03] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: Yes
[02:03] <Kamilion> yay
[02:03] <Kamilion> is firefox gonna stick around too, for the time being?
[02:03] <Kamilion> i assume it will be for 'lubuntu' 18.04
[02:04] <tsimonq2> Yea
[02:04] <Kamilion> that's good, no need to rock the boat on something already working
[02:04] <Kamilion> and main lubuntu doesn't include qt anyway, I don't think
[02:05] <Kamilion> so trying to shove qupzilla on there to replace firefox wouldn't change the size
[02:05] <tsimonq2> Right
[02:05] <Kamilion> sure you'd dump 45MB of firefox's bulk, but you'd gain it back from the QT5 requirements
[02:05] <Kamilion> at least those are more reusable than xulrunner though
[02:06] <Kamilion> but yeah, I don't see any real gain by going down that path
[02:07] <Kamilion> so 18.10 will likely be lxqt's "real" debut, stablizing in 19.04, and being stable in 19.10, in time to be 'old' for 20.04
[02:07] <tsimonq2> We'll see.
[02:08] <Kamilion> things were already working well for me on 16.04's packages.
[02:08] <Kamilion> other than the annoying desktop background root window bug
[02:08] <Kamilion> and I already confirmed that was fixed in 16.10, just never got rebuilt for xenial because nobody cared to
[02:09] <Kamilion> also, simon.
[02:10] <Kamilion> You been doing a damn good job. Keep it up. Not enough people are telling you that.
[02:10] <Kamilion> Thanks for your time.
[02:11] <tsimonq2> Thanks :)
[02:11] <Kamilion> I didn't expect this much out of you when you first showed up. Glad to be pleasantly suprised.
[02:11] <tsimonq2> Thanks again :)
[02:18] <Kamilion> Keep the 80/20 rule in mind. 80% of your problems come from %20 percent of the people. For every two noisy people, there's eight more quiet ones.
[02:19] <Kamilion> at least.
[02:20] <Kamilion> keep trying to reach that 80% and you'll be fine for a long long career in linux
[02:21] <tsimonq2> :)
[02:21] <tsimonq2> I'll keep that in mind
[11:38] <MrEXE> hi all
[11:39] <MrEXE> i have an isuue
[11:39] <MrEXE> i can't type arabic chars in lubuntu
[11:39] <MrEXE> i got lang indicator set correctly
[14:50] <jacks_> hi, i cant get pulse-simple libs working https://pastebin.com/R1DLCa3n it's seemingly missing yet installed.. ??
[14:52] <jacks_> any ideas ?