[00:45] <Sargun> Is Bionic going to get Systemd v236?
[01:07] <infinity> Sargun: Almost certainly.
[01:10] <sarnold> hey infinity :D
[01:10] <tsimonq2> Oh hey infinity :D
[05:51] <JackFrost> sarnold: Heh, what's up?
[05:52] <sarnold> JackFrost: my pandaboard (irc host) kicked the bucket .. so this is me trying to get a five-year-old configuration updated
[05:52] <sarnold> JackFrost: .. and of course I can't remember how to run irssi well enough to make changes live, so I edit the config and restart.
[05:52] <JackFrost> Ouch...  Mainly just saw 'sigh I hate irssi'
[05:53] <JackFrost> 1. They prefer you use commands as editing config is very picky.  2. /reload
[05:53] <sarnold> if you looked up "technical debt" you'll surely see a screenshot of my irssi configuration.
[05:53] <sarnold> no kidding
[05:53] <sarnold> I've screwed that up before too :)
[05:53] <sarnold> but I don't know how to change the port of a network on the fly. heh.
[05:54] <Odd_Bloke> sarnold: Take this opportunity to move to weechat.
[05:54] <JackFrost> /SERVER MODIFY -network Freenode -port 6697
[05:55] <JackFrost> Likely needs the server name, buuut. PD
[05:56] <sarnold> JackFrost: heh, I thought /server was deprecated a decade back
[05:56] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: you know, a teeny tiny small part of me wanted it busted bad enough that I'd have to
[05:56] <JackFrost> sarnold: You don't use /server to connect to a new network, just /connect for that.  But you do use it to add/modify/delete.
[05:57] <Odd_Bloke> sarnold: KSSHT FFT SORRY WHAT WAS THAT KSSHT YOUR IRC CLIENT MUST BE MALFUNCFUNCFUNC BAD ENOUGH TO USE WEWEWEE-KSHHT-CHAT
[05:57] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: rofl
[05:57] <JackFrost> I don't think I could break irssi enough to switch to weechat. :>
[05:58] <sarnold> JackFrost: this is part of the problem :D  I used to use /server for those kinds of things but then they added /network to manage networks separate from servers and then *years happened* and now I'm hopeless.
[05:59] <JackFrost> Ah yes, I'm a much more recent convert to Irssi.  Sometime in 2010 or 2011.
[05:59] <JackFrost> ...Which isn't exactly recent anymore, but is in IRC time!
[06:00] <Odd_Bloke> I can't remember when I started using irssi, but that really only means it was more than two weeks ago.
[06:01] <sarnold> the conversion from bitchx didn't go painlessly. but it was worth it.
[06:01] <JackFrost> I uh...Converted from finch. >_>
[06:01] <sarnold> the conversion *to* bitchx didn't go painlessly either, but that too was worth it.
[06:02] <sarnold> heh, I can kinda see how you might have used finch .. and why you'd move :)
[06:03] <JackFrost> Yeah seriously, pidgin → finch → irssi. >_>
[06:03] <sarnold> anyway, dinner time ;) thanks
[06:03] <tsimonq2> I was straight from Pidgin to Irssi very quickly and haven't looked back :D
[06:03] <tsimonq2> o/ sarnold
[06:04] <JackFrost> Eat well, sarnold.
[06:04] <sarnold> :D
[06:04] <valorie> konversation is <3
[06:05] <JackFrost> tsimonq2: finch is ncurses pidgin, fyi.
[06:06] <tsimonq2> valorie: I bet you use KMail too ;)
[06:06]  * tsimonq2 runs
[06:06] <valorie> worse
[06:06] <valorie> gmail
[06:06] <tsimonq2> JackFrost: Ahh ok, this is the first time I've heard of it
[06:06] <valorie> on the web
[06:06] <tsimonq2> valorie: There is nothing worse than KMail >_>
[06:06] <valorie> rofl
[06:06] <Odd_Bloke> What is this, #kubuntu-devel? ;)
[06:06] <tsimonq2> hahahaha
[06:06] <valorie> used to be my favorite KDE application
[06:07] <valorie> before I discovered IRC
[06:07] <valorie> Odd_Bloke: you too can use konvi!
[06:07] <valorie> 'tis in the Archive
[06:09] <Odd_Bloke> valorie: Given the way I use my desktop, I'm not sure I'd notice if I switched to KDE.  You know, once I'd learned the shortcut to type in a command, and the name of the KDE terminal program. :p
[06:09] <tsimonq2> Odd_Bloke: orrrr you could just install QTerminal ;)
[06:09] <valorie> yakuake!
[06:10] <valorie> just f12 and you're there
[06:30] <JackFrost> ...Dinner at 10pm?
[06:33] <valorie> in Spain, that's how they do it
[06:34] <valorie> finding dinner before 8 is nearly impossible
[12:21] <TJ-> Would you consider it a bug if, with root FS on LVM, having done an "lvrename VG LV LV_new", update-grub has no way to figure out the new name (since /proc/mounts doesn't update).
[15:50] <tkamppeter> xnox, slangasek, hi
[16:00] <jbicha> doko: can we demote idle to universe? I think it's the only thing keeping tcl and tk in main
[16:03] <doko> jbicha: hmm, it's the only supported Python IDE. Is there a request to demote Tcl/Tk?
[16:04] <jbicha> yes, I'm requesting it ;)
[16:05] <jbicha> why do we need a supported Python IDE in main? where's the supported IDE for every other programming language?
[16:07] <jbicha> I think most Ubuntu developers use something other than idle when writing Python code
[16:11] <tkamppeter> xnox, slangasek, can you have a look at bug 1721839? It is a severe regression which we should not have in LTS and upstream is not answering.
[16:13] <jbicha> doko: one more reason is mentioned at LP: #1740926, it looks like we would need to have tk8.6 recommend "gnome-terminal | xterm" in order to demote xterm to universe
[16:19] <doko> jbicha: hmm, that might be a request from edubuntu at some time ...
[16:20] <jbicha> doko: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.bionic/revision/404
[16:22] <doko> blame the comitter for not giving a rationale ...
[16:22] <jbicha> Wikipedia says Ubuntu Education Edition had its first release shortly after that, so your theory might be right
[16:23] <doko> ogra: what's the status of edubuntu?
[16:24] <jbicha> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-March/039281.html
[16:31] <jbicha> but Edubuntu included universe anyway in recent releases
[16:36] <ginggs> doko: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-March/039281.html
[16:36] <ginggs> woops jbicha already did that
[16:54] <ogra> doqdead since 14.04 i think ( i havent touched it since 2012, better ask the edubuntu-council)
[16:54] <ogra> doko, ^^