[00:45] Is Bionic going to get Systemd v236? [01:07] Sargun: Almost certainly. [01:10] hey infinity :D [01:10] Oh hey infinity :D [05:51] sarnold: Heh, what's up? [05:52] JackFrost: my pandaboard (irc host) kicked the bucket .. so this is me trying to get a five-year-old configuration updated [05:52] JackFrost: .. and of course I can't remember how to run irssi well enough to make changes live, so I edit the config and restart. [05:52] Ouch... Mainly just saw 'sigh I hate irssi' [05:53] 1. They prefer you use commands as editing config is very picky. 2. /reload [05:53] if you looked up "technical debt" you'll surely see a screenshot of my irssi configuration. [05:53] no kidding [05:53] I've screwed that up before too :) [05:53] but I don't know how to change the port of a network on the fly. heh. [05:54] sarnold: Take this opportunity to move to weechat. [05:54] /SERVER MODIFY -network Freenode -port 6697 [05:55] Likely needs the server name, buuut. PD [05:56] JackFrost: heh, I thought /server was deprecated a decade back [05:56] Odd_Bloke: you know, a teeny tiny small part of me wanted it busted bad enough that I'd have to [05:56] sarnold: You don't use /server to connect to a new network, just /connect for that. But you do use it to add/modify/delete. [05:57] sarnold: KSSHT FFT SORRY WHAT WAS THAT KSSHT YOUR IRC CLIENT MUST BE MALFUNCFUNCFUNC BAD ENOUGH TO USE WEWEWEE-KSHHT-CHAT [05:57] Odd_Bloke: rofl [05:57] I don't think I could break irssi enough to switch to weechat. :> [05:58] JackFrost: this is part of the problem :D I used to use /server for those kinds of things but then they added /network to manage networks separate from servers and then *years happened* and now I'm hopeless. [05:59] Ah yes, I'm a much more recent convert to Irssi. Sometime in 2010 or 2011. [05:59] ...Which isn't exactly recent anymore, but is in IRC time! [06:00] I can't remember when I started using irssi, but that really only means it was more than two weeks ago. [06:01] the conversion from bitchx didn't go painlessly. but it was worth it. [06:01] I uh...Converted from finch. >_> [06:01] the conversion *to* bitchx didn't go painlessly either, but that too was worth it. [06:02] heh, I can kinda see how you might have used finch .. and why you'd move :) [06:03] Yeah seriously, pidgin → finch → irssi. >_> [06:03] anyway, dinner time ;) thanks [06:03] I was straight from Pidgin to Irssi very quickly and haven't looked back :D [06:03] o/ sarnold [06:04] Eat well, sarnold. [06:04] :D [06:04] konversation is <3 [06:05] tsimonq2: finch is ncurses pidgin, fyi. [06:06] valorie: I bet you use KMail too ;) [06:06] * tsimonq2 runs [06:06] worse [06:06] gmail [06:06] JackFrost: Ahh ok, this is the first time I've heard of it [06:06] on the web [06:06] valorie: There is nothing worse than KMail >_> [06:06] rofl [06:06] What is this, #kubuntu-devel? ;) [06:06] hahahaha [06:06] used to be my favorite KDE application [06:07] before I discovered IRC [06:07] Odd_Bloke: you too can use konvi! [06:07] 'tis in the Archive [06:09] valorie: Given the way I use my desktop, I'm not sure I'd notice if I switched to KDE. You know, once I'd learned the shortcut to type in a command, and the name of the KDE terminal program. :p [06:09] Odd_Bloke: orrrr you could just install QTerminal ;) [06:09] yakuake! [06:10] just f12 and you're there [06:30] ...Dinner at 10pm? [06:33] in Spain, that's how they do it [06:34] finding dinner before 8 is nearly impossible === ogra_ is now known as ogra [12:21] Would you consider it a bug if, with root FS on LVM, having done an "lvrename VG LV LV_new", update-grub has no way to figure out the new name (since /proc/mounts doesn't update). [15:50] xnox, slangasek, hi [16:00] doko: can we demote idle to universe? I think it's the only thing keeping tcl and tk in main [16:03] jbicha: hmm, it's the only supported Python IDE. Is there a request to demote Tcl/Tk? [16:04] yes, I'm requesting it ;) [16:05] why do we need a supported Python IDE in main? where's the supported IDE for every other programming language? [16:07] I think most Ubuntu developers use something other than idle when writing Python code [16:11] xnox, slangasek, can you have a look at bug 1721839? It is a severe regression which we should not have in LTS and upstream is not answering. [16:11] bug 1721839 in systemd (Ubuntu) "[REGRESSION] Services asked for by UDEV do not get triggered" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721839 [16:13] doko: one more reason is mentioned at LP: #1740926, it looks like we would need to have tk8.6 recommend "gnome-terminal | xterm" in order to demote xterm to universe [16:13] Launchpad bug 1740926 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Demote gitk to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1740926 [16:19] jbicha: hmm, that might be a request from edubuntu at some time ... [16:20] doko: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.bionic/revision/404 [16:22] blame the comitter for not giving a rationale ... [16:22] Wikipedia says Ubuntu Education Edition had its first release shortly after that, so your theory might be right [16:23] ogra: what's the status of edubuntu? [16:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-March/039281.html [16:31] but Edubuntu included universe anyway in recent releases [16:36] doko: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-March/039281.html [16:36] woops jbicha already did that [16:54] doqdead since 14.04 i think ( i havent touched it since 2012, better ask the edubuntu-council) [16:54] doko, ^^ === JanC is now known as Guest37549 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === JackFrost is now known as Unit193 === caribou is now known as Guest25800