[00:39] <someone_> Hi , I put a command to run a program at login in the .profile file but the problem is the program run before kde be loaded this led to stop kde session load
[00:41] <valorie> someone_: the proper way to run programs is to put them in the startup script via systemsettings
[00:41] <valorie> I just use krunner (alt+space) and type startup
[00:42] <valorie> that will take you to the correct place in systemsettings
[00:42] <someone_> sorry place of what ?
[00:44] <someone_> I think this is a problem in kde , that any program run at login will stop kde session loading
[00:45] <valorie> you don't use .profile to do this
[00:45] <valorie> do it through the startup menu in systemsettings
[00:46] <valorie> it works just fine
[00:46] <valorie> that's how I make dropbox work, for instance
[00:46] <someone_> Ok, Thanks.
[01:38] <someone_> valorie through systemsettings causes the same problem if I put any program such a dolphin run it a login it will run but kde session will not load thus I can't access to desktop. I'm using KUbuntu 16.04
[03:14] <Hg203> so like i'm trying to install kubuntu with fresh hardware, and using GPT. got the partition table working ok it seems (after earlier issues, but that was with other hardware involved) and now it seems to have issues accessing the cdrom installer files at some point? it didn't say what files
[03:14] <Hg203> and i found a forum post but it's from 2010 and it's about an error that does say what files messed up
[03:14] <Hg203> oh it's actually a usb stick btw, not a real cdrom
[03:15] <Hg203> so yeah like i'm not sure what's up with this. the old solution was apparently to rename some files (to .udeb apparently) and that seems like it may not be the same problem
[03:16] <Hg203> where would i even get a log? it didn't produce one somehow
[03:19] <Hg203> i'm trying it again and maybe it'll produce an error code or a log of some sort if it does that again
[03:24] <Hg203> so strange. the installer just hung this time at 'setting up installed files' or something like that
[03:25] <Hg203> why are all the help files for older versions relative to 17.10? it seems like no one's used it yet almost
[03:26] <valorie> Hg203: did you ensure that your ISO is good?
[03:26] <valorie> !md5
[03:27] <valorie> most everyone uses a usb stick now, yes
[03:27] <Hg203> valorie: yeah i did when i downloaded it, and i think the liveusb creator did a check after it was made
[03:28] <Hg203> i torrented the installer anyway so i mean it's sort of hard for it to not pass a checksum
[03:28] <valorie> true, that's what I do as well
[03:28] <Hg203> like, the liveusb is fine i'm talkign to y'all through it now
[03:28] <valorie> so are you using the NEW iso ?
[03:28] <valorie> or the original, which you shouldn't use
[03:29] <Hg203> i just found that dpkg stuff was running in bg while the installer had crashed out .. and now it won't run anyway lol
[03:29] <Hg203> i should maybe reboot
[03:29] <Hg203> what do you mean new?
[03:29] <Hg203> how new is new
[03:30] <valorie> actually I'm not sure that it has been released again yet
[03:30] <valorie> Thursday was the day
[03:30] <Hg202> ok well i'm here again on the netbook so i can try a reboot
[03:31] <Hg202> was this due to the intel/FUCKWIT issue?
[03:31] <valorie> you aren't using lenovo, correct?
[03:31] <valorie> this was about the lenovo bug
[03:31] <Hg202> nope
[03:31] <Hg202> desktop hardware
[03:31] <valorie> the new kernel is in there too for meltdown
[03:31] <valorie> ok
[03:33] <ylco> can I connect to mIRC with this Quassel ?
[03:34] <dax> mIRC is an IRC client, it's not an IRC network
[03:35] <dax> if you're asking about some sort of client/server bouncer setup, then no
[03:35] <ylco> and this is a network?
[03:35] <dax> you're currently on the channel #kubuntu on the IRC network freenode
[03:36] <Hg203> ylco: quassel and mirc are different clients
[03:36] <Hg203> also, is it normal for the "saving installed packages" step to take a while? i can't remember this being the case last time
[03:37] <ylco> I understand and agree to this, but there is no other connection that I see
[03:37] <Hg203> ylco: are you on windows or linux?
[03:38] <ylco> Linux
[03:38] <Hg203> ok so you can't really use mirc then unless you want to emulate it; there are other clients besides quassel though
[03:38] <Hg203> lots of them
[03:38] <Hg203> i like xchat
[03:39] <ylco> OK I will install it
[03:39] <ylco> thx!
[03:40] <Hg203> *shrug* hopefully they'll figure it out :)
[03:41] <Hg203> ok this installer has been at the same stage far too long
[03:42] <Hg203> https://pastebin.com/UcDDqYh0
[03:42] <Hg203> i get this out of ps
[03:43] <Hg203> it seems that even if i close the installer dpkg is still trying to do this shit, and it also seems like first it's using python to start shit in perl and then only running dpkg in a way that i understand, and that too isn't working
[03:46] <Hg203> ok. so, am i correct in assuming that i can set up a new install in the cli at all? or is that no longer supported?
[03:47] <Hg203> i can't find stuff other than the obvious "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" command which i don't know what that'd do in terms of also installing say, a user, or whatever else i need
[03:47] <Hg203> like grub things for starters
[03:48] <Hg203> also anyone know how accurate this still is: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/64088-Quick-how-to-Perform-a-text-mode-or-command-line-install
[03:48] <valorie> Hg203: the installer seems to take far longer than it should
[03:49] <valorie> you can do a mini iso and go from there
[03:49] <valorie> but if you are using 17.10 please wait until tomorrow
[03:49] <valorie> to be safe
[03:49] <Hg203> why tomorrow?
[03:49] <Hg203> no one answered me about what's up with new versions
[03:51] <valorie> there were a very few people who had their boxes bricked, so ubuntu pulled all the 17.04 ISOs until the bug was verified fixed
[03:52] <valorie> it's a very weird bug and hard to test, but we're confident that it is fixed
[03:52] <Hg203> ..but it's 17.10 not 17.04
[03:52] <valorie> 17.04 is almost out of support
[03:52] <Hg203> sure
[03:52] <Hg203> but i'm not using 17.04
[03:52] <valorie> do 16.04 if you want LTS
[03:52] <valorie> that was not affected
[03:53] <valorie> well, 16.04.3 to be precise
[03:53] <Hg203> oh i see, it says on the d/l page that it's because of lenovo stuff
[03:53] <Hg203> which someone said maybe you
[03:53] <Hg203> i don't have that hardware so i'd guess it's no big deal
[03:53] <Hg203> which still makes me wonder wtf is happening with this installer
[03:54] <Hg203> also i can totally update the kernel in July or whenever, even sooner, if needed
[03:54] <Hg203> i'd just like a working box at all right now
[03:56] <valorie> ok
[03:57] <valorie> the new kernel is out now, but I was misinformed -- it is not on the new ISO because that was spun last week
[03:57] <Hg203> ah
[03:57] <valorie> we've been testing it all this week
[03:57] <Hg203> cool
[03:57] <Hg203> i hope it fixes the lenovo users' issues :)
[03:57] <valorie> but the first update will get it for you
[03:57] <valorie> I believe it does, yes
[03:58] <valorie> I mean, it wasn't an Ubuntu bug, but somewhere between lenovo and the kernel, but the kernel is now successfully fixed
[03:58] <valorie> kernel devels have been working at white-hot for weeks now
[03:58] <valorie> between that and meltdown/spectre
[03:59] <Hg203> yeah
[03:59] <Hg203> i was hearing stuff last week especially
[03:59] <Hg203> ok so, i guess i can try this but i'm curious why the installer would break this way
[04:00] <Hg203> also is there a place on the usb drive i can add files for later?
[04:01] <valorie> !persistance
[04:01] <valorie> hmm, maybe I spelled it wrong
[04:01] <valorie> !persistence
[04:01] <valorie> there ya go
[04:03] <Hg203> wait i can do this to the liveusb i'm using right now? in this session?
[04:03] <Hg203> and then just reboot?
[04:04] <Hg203> oh right no i just saw that i can't.. which makes more sense lol
[04:04] <valorie> oh, I think you have to write it a different way
[04:04] <Hg203> i'll unplug it and use my netbook to do it
[04:04] <Hg203> hmm
[04:04] <valorie> it's been awhile since I did it
[04:05] <Hg203> yeah sure
[04:05] <Hg203> k, i'm still here on the other box
[04:05] <valorie> some people use it for banking while they are traveling, for instance
[04:05] <valorie> on public machines
[04:05] <Hg202> yeah i know
[04:06] <Hg202> there's a lot of applications. i used to have one like that but when i made this one i guess i was in a hurry and didn't do that
[04:06] <Hg202> i may have gotten an error. can't remember, but i was in windows then
[04:06] <valorie> dd works the best
[04:06] <Hg202> easier in linux
[04:06] <valorie> but it doesn't allow persistence
[04:06] <Hg202> ah
[04:06] <Hg202> i don't remember what i did now
[04:07] <Hg202> but first i want to try one thing
[04:07] <valorie> I usually just use the kubuntu application
[04:07] <Hg202> i just remembered that i saw some old forum post say not to boot on usb3 but i was
[04:07] <valorie> but it doesn't do persistence either as I recall
[04:07] <Hg202> hm
[04:07] <Hg202> i can use cli commands it's cool
[04:07] <valorie> !dd
[04:07] <valorie> oh pff
[04:08] <valorie> well, it's built in
[04:08] <valorie> just man dd for specs
[04:10] <[Relic]> has anyone gotten anything past nvidia 384 to work with the new kernels?
[04:11] <valorie> [Relic]: I had to roll back to a previous kernel
[04:11] <[Relic]> got a black screen when I did it finally tried 384 and that works
[04:12] <valorie> I now have 384 but haven't rebooted yet
[04:12] <valorie> good news that it's working for you
[04:12] <valorie> it's my recommended driver according to driver-manager
[04:13] <[Relic]> tried using the lastest (and recommended) and get black screen
[04:13] <valorie> [Relic]: please file a bug
[04:14] <Hg202> so yeah i tried booting up using a usb2 port and it seems to stupidly still sit there on 'saving installed packages 0%'
[04:14] <Hg202> anyone ever see that?
[04:14] <valorie> hmmm
[04:14] <valorie> I never notice which port I'm using
[04:16] <Hg202> like the physical port where you plug in the stick
[04:16] <[Relic]> where?
[04:16] <Hg202> i just assembled this box so like, i know which ones are usb2 or 3 lol
[04:17] <Hg202> anyway that did nothing to change things so it wasn't the problem
[04:17] <freetown> Hg202: nice that you have usb3 ports...I don't on my box...boohoo...
[04:17]  * freetown is bored
[04:17] <Hg202> aw
[04:18] <Hg202> well the mobo is new. though it's LGA1150 so not the newest socket
[04:18] <freetown> you can't boot on that usb port?
[04:18] <Hg202> it's got all the basics covered just about. pretty nice for $70
[04:18] <Hg202> no i can
[04:19] <freetown> ok...but...it's slow?
[04:19] <Hg202> i just read on a forum post that kubuntu installer can fuck up on usb3 ports, but it was posted like a couple years ago so i ignored it. just wanted to try a usb2 port just in case
[04:19] <Hg202> no difference
[04:19] <freetown> usb3...well...if it was the first generation chipsets...they were buggy...
[04:20] <valorie> language please
[04:20] <Hg202> no idea, but it was some software issue they were talking about with regards to accessing files on /cdrom
[04:20]  * freetown cringes at remembering the 2012 Asus AIO USB3 ports...
[04:20] <Hg202> but it doesn't seem to apply to my case
[04:20] <Hg202> lol
[04:21] <freetown> ah, just realized that I am way over due for a hardware upgrade...geez Linux sure makes you make good use of your stuff...
[04:21] <Hg202> i'm taking a break to watch an ep of Vikings. but i'll be back on after to try to make my usb stick persistent at least
[04:21] <Hg202> then i can not have to redo everything every time i reboot onto it
[04:21] <Hg202> like settings or whatever
[04:22] <Hg202> ..i still am unclear why i can't install this shit though but i might take y'all's advice and redo it to the LTS version
[04:22] <Hg202> i'm going to download it now
[04:22] <freetown> anybody running an AMD Ryzen/Threadripper box?
[04:35] <Hg202> ok so i guess vikings didn't record right. not watching it lol
[04:43] <Hg202> ok so i'm checking out the persistence file and it's sort of strange. it says to format with anything (i'm using ext4) and label the part as casper-rw
[04:43] <Hg202> it then is like 'ok do that' and then stops short of any steps talking about like, how to actually put the liveusb image on there properly
[04:45] <Hg202> anyway i'm wiping my usb stick and writing the part table the way they want. i guess i'll take another look at the normal liveusb instructions for the rest
[04:46] <Se7enLC> I'm on kubuntu 17.10 - any idea why alt-shift-tab doesn't walk windows in reverse anymore?
[04:50] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC: alt-shift-tab works in reverse here.  Might check your shortcuts in Sys. Settings to ensure everything is correct.
[04:52] <Hg202> ok well, i'm using the gui tool to create the persistent liveusb, but just not sure it'll actually be persistent even though the tool does let me specify to save settings and files with 4gb of the stick
[04:52] <Hg202> ..makes me wonder what the hell the rest of the stick will be used for lol
[04:53] <Se7enLC> I am able to set the shortcut to alt-shift-tab, and when I press it, it opens up the switcher, but it only moves to the first window
[04:53] <Se7enLC> as in, I have to let go of alt to get to the next one
[04:54] <Se7enLC> (hold alt and shift, press tab tab tab doesn't keep switching, but holding just alt and pressing tab tab tab does)
[04:57] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC: very strange, I have never seen that issue and I am baffled as to the cause.  By chance can you log in as different (new) user to see if problem persists?
[04:58] <DarinMiller> This would determine if a kde/plasma desktop file is corrupted vs a bizarre hw issue.
[05:02] <Se7enLC> good call. made a new user, switched to it. alt-shift-tab seems to work fine there.
[05:03] <Se7enLC> any idea what settings I should look for?
[05:03] <DarinMiller> OK, now to figure out which file to rename....
[05:05] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC: have you tried resetting your KWin shortcuts to Default (under Global Shortcuts in Sys Settings -> Shortcuts?)
[05:07] <DarinMiller> Obviously, this will reset any Kwin shortcuts you have customized, but they are easy enough to set up.
[05:07] <Se7enLC> Just did it. Apparently the default for kwin doesn't have anything defined for walk or walk-reverse
[05:08] <Se7enLC> not sure how that's possible. the brand new user had alt-tab and alt-shift-tab defined, so they must have been the default
[05:09] <DarinMiller> OK, what happens if you manually set?  (use the "walk" for a filter the list).
[05:10] <Se7enLC> manually setting alt-tab for walk works fine
[05:10] <DarinMiller> Walk through windows should be set to alt-tab, Walk through windows  (reverse) shoulld be set to Alt-shift-tab.
[05:10] <DarinMiller> Stange that a new user and default do not have the same settings.... (sounds like a bug...)
[05:10] <Se7enLC> manually setting alt-shift-tab for reverse walk is the same as before when I set it. Pressing it opens up the switcher, but you can't switch more than one
[05:10] <Se7enLC> Yeah, I wish I remember when this bug started
[05:11] <freetown> anyone here using AMD's SLS with multiple projectors?
[05:15] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC: I suspect a file in your ~/.config directory is corrupt.  I recommend renaming the kwin* files one at a time and restarting kwin after each rename.
[05:17] <DarinMiller> i.e.  mv ~/.config/kwinrc ~/.config/kwinrcbu
[05:17] <DarinMiller> killall kwin_x11 && kwin_x11 &
[05:17] <DarinMiller> then test....
[05:18] <Se7enLC> sounds good. I did find something online that explains some of it. Apparently the defaults get stored in your .config dir, not somewhere else on the fs
[05:18] <DarinMiller> If no luck, next try kwinrulesrc
[05:18] <Se7enLC> so the defaults in this user account are themselves corrupted, too
[05:19] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC: yes, sounds like the defaults are messed up... making a new user now to test the Default rest on my machine...
[05:20] <Se7enLC> ok, moved kwinrc and restarted kwin.
[05:20] <Se7enLC> the switcher changed to a different one
[05:20] <Se7enLC> alt-tab works
[05:20] <Se7enLC> alt-shift tab....same behavior
[05:20] <Se7enLC> maddening
[05:21] <DarinMiller> kwap!
[05:21] <DarinMiller> try kwinrulesrc
[05:22] <Se7enLC> file was pretty much empty, but removing it and restarting the wm didn't fix it
[05:26] <Se7enLC> be right back, trying to log out/back in
[05:27] <DarinMiller> btw, resetting kwin shortcuts here also clears the walk thru options, so its definitley a bug.  (will need to file).
[05:28] <Se7enLC> no dice.
[05:28] <DarinMiller> btw, resetting kwin shortcuts here also clears the walk thru options, so its definitley a bug.  (will need to file).
[05:29] <Se7enLC> once you've cleared it, does it not work again?
[05:29] <DarinMiller> I had to re-assign at-tab and shift-alt-tab to re-enable....
[05:29] <Se7enLC> but when you reassigned it, it worked again?
[05:30] <Hg202> ooh 99%
[05:30] <Se7enLC> seems like I have something else...
[05:30] <DarinMiller> Sledgehammer option: logout, hit ctrl-alt-f1, login the terminal and mv .config to .configbu
[05:30] <DarinMiller> then log back in..
[05:30] <Se7enLC> at this point, why not. It's a good a day as any to reconfigure things :-)
[05:30] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC: yes, they worked fine when I re-assigned.
[05:32] <Se7enLC> well, that certainly reset a lot of things.
[05:32] <DarinMiller> lol
[05:32] <Se7enLC> but alt-shift-tab is somehow still broken!
[05:32] <DarinMiller> noooooooo......
[05:33] <Se7enLC> right?
[05:33] <Se7enLC> The fact that it worked with a new user account is baffling
[05:33] <Se7enLC> it's got to be in a dotfile somewhere
[05:34] <Se7enLC> only other thing is that the normal account has an encrypted home dir, the test user did not
[05:34] <DarinMiller> Not sure what stays running after logout.. maybe try a restart "just to be sure"....
[05:35] <DarinMiller> and if everything is still weird, you can rename your .configbu back to .config. '
[05:35] <Se7enLC> may as well. I'll try removing a few other directories on my way
[05:37] <Hg202> huh.
[05:37] <DarinMiller> ?
[05:38] <Hg202> when installing (16.04, LTS that i just got) off of liveusb, in the gui tool where it wants me to select device for boot loader part (in manual partition), i use the /boot part right?
[05:38] <Hg202> it defaults to using the drive itself without a part number.. like it was set to /dev/sda not /deb/sda7 where i have /boot
[05:38] <Se7enLC> holy fsck, it's working.
[05:39] <Hg202> yay
[05:39] <Se7enLC> I also moved my .kde directory out of the way, and rebooted
[05:39] <DarinMiller> Awesome!!!
[05:39] <Se7enLC> Not particularly helpful for finding the bug, but I suppose I could move my configs back in and binary search
[05:39] <Se7enLC> orrrr I could just use this as an excuse for a clean sweep
[05:40] <Se7enLC> thanks for the help
[05:40] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC:  np.  Glad to help a little... :)
[05:41] <Se7enLC> any of you happen to know if the order of plugins in krunner can be modified?
[05:41] <DarinMiller> Hg202: you need to select the device like /sda or /sdb  etc.
[05:42] <DarinMiller> Se7enLC: maybe search for krunner plugin file and compare your list with the order in the file.
[05:44] <DarinMiller> OK, time for bed.  GN all.
[05:44] <valorie> niters DarinMiller
[06:20] <Hg200> oh, right! i forgot to see if anyone said stuff about the boot loader part
[06:20] <Hg200> but i'm guessing it's supposed to be /boot
[06:26] <valorie> yes
[06:27] <Hg200> oh
[06:27] <Hg200> i thought it meant pick out the /EFI part for a bit there
[06:27] <Hg200> hm
[06:27] <Hg200> well, it's stalled at 'saving packages' again though
[06:27] <Hg200> let me try again
[06:42] <Hg200> shit. the installer messed up and it's still running dpkg processes in the background. how do you ensure you kill them all?
[06:42] <Hg200> i tried to kill the ones i saw but new ones pop up
[06:44] <hateball> What installer? The regular Kubuntu installer?
[06:51] <valorie> how are you sure that it messed up, Hg200
[06:51] <valorie> it doesn't take as long as upgrading, but longer than you think
[07:01] <Hg200> valorie: it messed up because it hung on the same step in the process as before, and then after i closed the installer (it asked me to confirm then seemed to do so) it still runs random processes, just not the gui
[07:01] <Hg200> i used ps to check and it was for a while.. but they're all done/gone now
[07:01] <Hg200> and now the installer won't start lol
[07:02] <valorie> I wouldn't stop it
[07:02] <valorie> just let it go
[07:02] <valorie> it won't go forever
[07:02] <Hg200> yeah but it wasn't going that i could notice
[07:03] <Hg200> it stayed at 0% for like, 15 minutes during an earlier attempt
[07:03] <Hg200> but, i was selecting the /boot part as where the boot loader goes.
[07:03] <Hg200> except the boot loader is grub right?
[07:03] <Hg200> i'll ask again in #grub
[07:04] <valorie> !grub
[07:04] <valorie> the latter will help the most
[07:10] <Hg200> yeah this isn't that useful since i'm not actually messing with grub manually, i'm just using the installer
[07:10] <Hg200> i asked before if there was a cli way to install the o/s but no one replied
[07:13] <valorie> I said you can use the mini-iso
[07:13] <valorie> and build what you want on top
[07:13] <valorie> there is also net-install
[07:14] <valorie> a few of the flavors still have an entirely cli install
[07:14] <valorie> lubuntu I think
[07:14] <valorie> or xubuntu
[07:16] <Unit193> (Xubuntu doesn't have the alternate installer, just mini.iso like Kubuntu.)
[07:18] <valorie> thanks, Unit193
[07:18] <valorie> net-install is just for server, I think
[07:19] <Hg200> oh i see
[07:19] <Hg200> but aren't there instructions on how to just go through the process to install the o/s manually?
[07:19] <Hg200> i mean it's a few apt-get commands and some sort of make world style thing, and a user config
[07:20] <Hg200> other than having the part table set up, which i can do in the partition manager programs
[07:20] <Hg200> i know y'all do a lot of work making nice gui scripts for us but i'm thinking of like, how to strip it down so i can go through it in a console to see where the problem really is
[07:20] <Hg200> there aren't any errors being displayed
[07:24] <valorie> Hg200: keeping that sort of thing current is harder than you think
[07:24] <valorie> I dunno how the lubuntu team has time to do it, but we Kubuntu do not
[07:25] <valorie> if it was as easy as you say, we'd have it
[07:25] <Unit193> I've not been following, does he want to check the logs in /var/log/installer/?
[07:28] <valorie> Hg200: ^^^
[07:35] <Hg200> valorie: ah ok
[07:36] <Hg200> Unit193: does the liveusb create those logs when using the gui install kubuntu program?
[07:36] <Unit193> Ubiquity?  Yep.  Also logged to syslog.
[07:42] <Hg200> no i looked.. while interesting, /var/log/installer doesn't contain what i was trying to figure out
[07:42] <Hg200> unless that was about someone else
[07:43] <Hg200> hm
[07:43] <Hg200> well, i do have a persistent liveusb for now
[07:43] <Hg200> so i can at least use a stable desktop environment for doing other things
[07:44] <valorie> excellent
[07:44] <valorie> glad one part of all your work was successful
[08:42] <Hg200> ok what the hell is /usr/lib/python3 /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity kde_ui
[08:42] <Hg200> because that shit is taking up an entire core of my CPU
[08:45] <lordievader> Good moring
[08:47] <valorie> ubiquity is the installer
[08:47] <valorie> please watch your language
[08:48] <Hg200> oh sorry
[08:48] <Hg200> ok so, i'm guessing then that that's why it won't start again. because it *was* still running
[08:48] <Hg200> somehow i thought it was a different component and ignored it
[08:49] <Hg200> is this part of the installer as well? root         1  0.0  0.0 185232  5944 ?        Ss   00:34   0:04 /sbin/init maybe-ubiquity splash ---
[08:50] <Hg200> i thought it was the initial liveusb splash screen.. somehow still there in the background
[08:51] <valorie> I suppose so
[08:51] <valorie> getting off irc now and going to bed!
[08:51] <valorie> best of luck, Hg200
[08:53] <Hg200> ok, thanks for the help :)
[09:03] <Hg200> so if anyone else is around, i realized one error was that yeah the device it wanted for boot loader was just /dev/sda .. according to a ubuntu handbook page i didn't find before, but it seemed like it was for the wrong version i guess if i did see it
[09:04] <Hg200> it *is* for the wrong version, but still it seems to work the same with that gui installer
[09:04] <Hg200> right now it's still at 'saving installed packages' but the CPUs are doing things and it's using RAM so i suspect it's actually doing stuff this time
[09:18] <Hg200> whoo! i got it to get past that
[09:18] <Hg200> it's like each problem i've fixed leads me to be able to figure out what the next is. but hopefully there won't be more problems now
[09:49] <Hg202> so yeah it said it was installing ok, seemed to and stuff, and then rebooted.. and then right after booting up froze on me, forcing me to reboot again
[09:49] <Hg202> now i'm trying to see if i can get it to boot up or what
[09:50] <Hg202> ..i tried with the usb stick out just in case but that made it not boot right. it's at least displaying some stuff with it in there.. but it's very slow boot time. not sure if it's doing things and not telling me or what
[09:52] <Hg202> ironically turning fast boot on in the uefi settings seems to have made it mess up, since i was like 'oh let me do that now that i remember' but, disabled it goes to the grub menu and enabled it doesn't seem top
[09:52] <Hg202> -p
[10:01] <Hg202> wellp, it booted ok and seems to be working
[10:01] <Hg202> i'm not sure why it wanted the usb stick in there for the bootup but *shrug*
[10:02] <Hg202> it was being super slow due to updating pim apparently
[10:03] <hateball> maybe you installed grub to your usb stick
[10:24] <markus_d> I installed kubuntu on my machine at work and it works like charm
[10:25] <markus_d> My colleages did not even notice yet that this is not windows 10 anymore :D
[10:26] <markus_d> Installed 17.04
[10:29] <bjoern_> Hey, I have a problem with my lenovo thinkpad l570 mouse (touchpad works, external mouse works, mousebuttons and "mousepin" [red bubble specific to lenovo] integrated not work) after todays security-updates and several newstarts... could you help?
[10:30] <bjoern_> ...thats on ubuntu 4.13.0-26-generic and kde x64_64
[10:36] <hateball> markus_d: 17.04 is EOL, you should upgrade
[10:36] <hateball> well, EOL soon enough
[10:38] <markus_d> Will upgrade to 18.04 as soon as it is available
[10:39] <bjoern_> ...and with Ubuntu 16.04LTS, hope not forgot another detail...
[10:46] <hateball> markus_d: well you cant upgrade directly from 17.04 to 18.04, so you'd need to move to 17.10 first
[10:46] <hateball> markus_d: only LTS -> LTS are supported upgrade paths, otherwise you need to upgrade every 6-9 months
[10:47] <markus_d> Damn. Okay. Will do that then
[10:51] <Hg200> yay my box seems to be working ok now. i think the first bootup it just had some issues
[10:51] <Hg200> i broke the screen resolution and had to go into another shell login and kill kde, and it restarted automatically to log me back in
[10:51] <Hg200> and remembered my settings thus far
[10:51] <markus_d> update is running... :)
[10:51] <Hg200> cool
[11:22] <Hg200> woo. things appear to be working fine so far
[11:22] <Hg200> however, i can't seem to get steam to run properly
[11:22] <Hg200> which is not a big deal really in many ways. i'll have to mess with it
[11:25] <bjoern_> how does it work here? how to get suitable answers?
[11:26] <bjoern_> and how long normally to wait/reask?
[11:31] <Hg200> bjoern_: entirely depends on how many people are around
[11:31] <Hg200> but just ask stuff if you have questions
[11:32] <Hg200> ooh i think i got steam working
[11:33] <bjoern_> yeah... I have a problem with my lenovo thinkpad l570 mouse (touchpad works, external mouse works, mousebuttons and "mousepin" [red bubble specific to lenovo] integrated not work) after todays security-updates and several newstarts... could you help?, thats on ubuntu16.04.3LTS and kernel 4.13.0-26-generic...
[11:37] <markus_d> okay. I am on 17.10 now. Updated works smooth
[11:37] <markus_d> Only php7.0 got disabled. So I enabled 7.1
[11:37] <markus_d> I can can have different pictures on my two screens now ;)
[12:13] <hateball> Hg200: what problems do you have with steam?
[12:13] <hateball> oh nm see you got it working
[12:14] <hateball> Hg200: use repo packages if you can, those set up udev rules properly, unlike the package from valve
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:55] <floogy>  gedit does not show recent opened files on ubuntu 16.04.3 I had formerly no zeitgeist installed, but installed it now. The issue didnt go away. I got such messages on zeitgeist restart:
[12:55] <floogy>   ** (zeitgeist-datahub:25610): WARNING **: zeitgeist-datahub.vala:229: Unable to get name "org.gnome.zeitgeist.datahub" on the bus!
[12:55] <floogy>  I also tried zeitgeist-daemon --quit && rm -rvf ~/.local/share/zeitgeist/fts.index/ && zeitgeist-daemon --replace
[12:55] <floogy>  I'm currently running kde plasma, maybe that is the culprit?
[12:57] <floogy> How does System Settings > Workspace > Desktop Behaviour > Activities work? Is that based on zeitgeist or nepomuk?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> niether
[12:59] <BluesKaj> activities is similar to virtual desktops , but has more options, one can run virtual desktops inside activities for example
[13:00] <BluesKaj> !activities | floogy
[13:00] <BluesKaj> !info activities
[13:00] <BluesKaj> untrue, i'm using actitvities
[13:01] <floogy> kactivitymanagerd and zeitgeist-datahub are processes up and running in ps list.
[13:02] <floogy> I think, maybe KDE logs activities different to zeitgeist https://superuser.com/questions/208088/is-there-a-kde-equivalent-to-zeitgeists-activity-logging
[13:02] <BluesKaj> floogy, https://askubuntu.com/questions/253990/what-is-a-activity-in-kde-and-what-can-i-do-with-it
[13:03] <floogy> I'll try to search rather infos for Activities/kactivitymanager instead of zeitgeist. Thank you for the linkk, BluesKaj!
[13:04] <BluesKaj> floogy, np
[13:08] <hateball> Question is why one would use gedit over Kate when running Plasma
[13:08] <hateball> or any other DE :p
[13:09] <floogy> Hm, it looks like, activities may have nothing to do with recent documents of applications, does it?
[13:10] <floogy> Well, in kate recent documents are showing up ... but that doesn't answer my questions.
[13:10] <BluesKaj> no
[13:11] <BluesKaj> recent documents works without activities , one can assign apps to different activities
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I have 6 activities with an app or 2 assigned to each one, since I'm using 2 virtual desktops per activity
[13:17] <TheFocus> Evening.  Any ideas why server may not be available in kmail???
[13:21] <BluesKaj> TheFocus, think you need to start akonadiserver
[13:22] <TheFocus> Thanks for the feedback.  Its bee na while since playing around with linux...  What is start command again???
[13:24] <hateball> TheFocus: akonadictl start
[13:26] <BluesKaj> TheFocus, or in krunner (alt+F2) akonadiserver
[13:31] <TheFocus> Thanks...  Is this a normal output???  https://pastebin.com/0NNJjDz9
[13:33] <TheFocus> I'm using protocal 993 for imap
[13:33] <BluesKaj> hateball, does that look normal, i don't use PIM/akonadi
[13:35] <floogy> BluesKaj, I didn't recognized the different concept of gedit > file > open recent documents > reopen closed tabs over Open > recent documents. So I assumed a different intention of the usage of gedit regarding recent documents. Everything was fine, except I was confused over the programs function.
[13:35] <floogy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1570227
[13:36] <floogy> So, I'm sorry for the noise.
[13:37] <hateball> BluesKaj: I dont think it does, but I dont use PIM/akonadi either
[13:37] <hateball> TheFocus:  ^
[13:37] <BluesKaj> floogy, dunno, I've only used gedit a few times when i tried ubuntu, been on kde for almost 15yrs so i use kate
[13:39] <floogy> John Pye (jdpipe) wrote on 2016-07-31:  "Looks to me that the 'Recent files' menu item needs to be removed, unless a way can be found to re-port the old behaviour into the Unity menus again. No point having that entry with just 'Reopen closed tabs' in it; it's misleading." Comment 9 for bug 1570227
[13:41] <BluesKaj> floogy, we assume when someone switches to  kde/plasma  that they'll use the default apps provided ...we're not real familiar with ins and outs of ubuntu default apps
[13:42] <BluesKaj> at least I'm not
[13:44] <hateball> TheFocus: oh I see now, you ran it with sudo
[13:44] <hateball> TheFocus: that's not at all what I typed
[13:46] <floogy> Ok, I was just wondering, why gedit didn't show recent closed tabs (as recent open documents) while restarting the application. I didn't noticed the different purpose to Open > (drop down) recent documents, which I unfortunately didn't recognize.
[13:48] <floogy> I think of it as a flaw in ui design, due to expections of users, who are used by other systems or apps.
[13:49] <TheFocus> shit.  thats right...
[13:52] <TheFocus> Akonadi is already running.  POP3 seems to be OK...
[13:56] <TheFocus> IMAP connects to server when encryption is none i.e. 143
[14:07] <TheFocus> cheers for your help...
[14:53] <anudey> hello
[14:55] <anudey> I had tried to upgrade my Kubuntu 11.x to 16.04 few days back and it failed severely. Now when I try to login, I see a blank screen and nothing happens.
[14:55] <hateball> anudey: but you get to SDDM ?
[14:57] <anudey> what is SDDM? I am little new to Kubuntu....pardon me
[14:58] <hateball> anudey: The login manager. I mean you get so far that you can pick your user and then enter password?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> anudey kubuntu 11.x ?
[15:00] <anudey> yes, I am able to enter my UID and password and then....after  sometime it returns with a blank screen
[15:01] <anudey> 11.x - I am not very much sure about the .release number after 11
[15:01] <hateball> anudey: can you change to a tty and login? then make sure you are the owner of the file ~/.Xauthority
[15:01] <hateball> anudey: but the upgrade went through to 16.04? or are you stuck on 11.04 or 11.10 ?
[15:01] <R13ose> Hi
[15:02] <R13ose> I got the 3/4 white and 1/4 gray screen again.  I can go into tty but what can I do to not make this happen ever again?
[15:02] <anudey> the upgrade failed  miserably with many packages not installed...finally the system said that it was not able to upgrade and is going to abort....the system would try to go back to old version
[15:03] <anudey> I waited for 40 mins and nothing happened....the screen just froze
[15:03] <anudey> I finally had to hard reboot
[15:03] <hateball> I am not sure how you tried to update, but there's no supported upgrade path to 16.04 from that far back
[15:03] <hateball> It's possible, sure... but
[15:04] <BluesKaj> anudey, you can't "upgrade" from 11.x, it's too old, need a clean install of 16.04
[15:04] <anudey> the system was prompting for upgrade for many months
[15:04] <hateball> anudey: If I were you I would just backup data and reinstall 16.04
[15:04] <BluesKaj> !eol | anudey
[15:04] <anudey> yeah so, this is where I need help.....what is the safest way to upgrade to latest version?
[15:05] <anudey> Is 17.10 safe? I have a Sony VAIO laptop
[15:05] <anudey> I see that it has BIOS issues with Lenovo
[15:05] <BluesKaj> my lenovo is fine, no bios issues
[15:05] <hateball> if you download images *now* it should be OK
[15:06] <BluesKaj> the patch is already in
[15:06] <anudey> I still the message in the site...
[15:06] <anudey> The download of Kubuntu 17.10 is currently discouraged due to an issue on certain Lenovo laptops. Once fixed this download will be enabled again.
[15:07] <anudey> this is what I was talking about
[15:07] <BluesKaj> the patch came doen yesterday ...that message should have been edited, it's old
[15:07] <hateball> anudey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147
[15:08] <anudey> ok cool...so if patch is released then the link should be enabled
[15:08] <anudey> I can try using the torrent
[15:09] <anudey> so my question is...what is the safest way to upgrade my system to 17.10? Now that my system is corrupted and I have tons of files in there
[15:09] <anudey> can I use a USB drive to boot?
[15:10] <hateball> anudey: Do you have another computer to create installation media?
[15:10] <hateball> and yes, you can use usb
[15:10] <hateball> if you dont have another computer and X wont load, you can still login to a tty and wget or torrent the iso, then put on USB using DD
[15:11] <R13ose> Any ideas on my problem?
[15:11] <anudey> I have a macbook
[15:11] <hateball> anudey: I dont think the Kubuntu images have been rebuilt by the looks of things
[15:11] <hateball> anudey: that is, they do not contain the fix, if you use 17.10. 16.04 should be OK tho
[15:12] <hateball> anudey: and you can upgrade 16.04 -> 18.04 in a few months time when it is out
[15:12] <hateball> anyway... I must be off irl
[15:12] <anudey> ok I can live with 16.04 for now
[15:13] <anudey> can I simply use the USB  drive to boot and then install?
[15:34] <hanns134r7> ciao
[15:34] <hanns134r7> !list
[17:11] <qwip> Help! By mistake while being in su (root) mode in /root/etc/ I issued the command rmdir *. and some folders got deleted. what to do?
[17:13] <qwip> ^ ignore that. problem solved
[17:14] <BluesKaj> qwip, you probly needed your pw to remove that dir it's in / (rrot0
[17:14] <BluesKaj> don't do that again :-)
[17:14] <qwip> yeah.
[17:14] <qwip> thank god. i am safe
[17:15] <qwip> BluesKaj: I had also reinstalled ubuntu and kubuntu and still fonts looks same (bad)
[17:15] <BluesKaj> qwip, normally just oprn dolphin clicking on root in the left pamnel finding the required dir and after making changes you'll be asked for your pw
[17:16] <BluesKaj> why did you install ubuntu as well?
[17:17] <qwip> nope. I installed ubuntu and then installed kde plasma through apt
[17:18] <BluesKaj> why?
[19:36] <kubuntu> lol