[00:00] <plujon> Challenge: I'm running Arch Linux, I have 4 HDDs, and I want to install lubuntu on one of these 4 HDDs without a CD or USB stick.  Can it be done?
[00:01] <Unit193> 1. grub loopback.  2. debootstrap.
[00:01] <Unit193> Eg, grml-rescueboot makes adding the iso to grub real easy.
[00:02] <plujon> Unit193: Sweet!  I've never heard of grub loopback, debootstrap, or grml-rescueboot, but that all sounds promising.
[00:02] <plujon> It sounds like I can mount an iso from grub ..?
[00:02] <Unit193> That'd be option one.
[00:03] <plujon> Oh, those are two options.  I see.  debootstrap sounds nifty; I'll see how far I can get.
[00:03] <Unit193> Oh, unsupported option 3: loopback mount the iso, unsquashfs the filesystem, chroot in and remove ubiquity and casper, add your user, etc. ;P
[00:04] <Unit193> Either using tasksel or installing the lubuntu task rather than meta is the way to go.  Also the ISO by default disables recommends, so that's something to keep in mind if using the debootstrap method.
[00:20] <tsimonq2> But but but Unit193 there's a guide for debootstrap
[00:20] <tsimonq2> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apds04.html
[00:20] <tsimonq2> That's how I install *all* of my systems.
[00:20] <tsimonq2> plujon: ^
[00:22] <plujon> tsimonq2: Cool; thanks.
[00:22]  * plujon partitioning ...
[00:25] <Unit193> I do it differently, and that seems to not account for Ubuntu not using ifupdown. ;P
[01:03] <plujon> debootstrap seems to fail:
[01:03] <plujon> mknod mknod -m 666 /mnt/irenaeus/dev/null c 1 3 # exit 1
[01:03] <plujon> /mnt/irenaeus/dev does not even exist...
[01:06] <plujon> mkdir /mnt/irenaeus/dev && debootstrap ... # gets farther, but then fails again:  chroot: failed to run command 'dpkg-deb': No such file or directory
[01:09] <plujon> sudo debootstrap --arch amd64 xenial /mnt/irenaeus file:///mnt/cdrom # hm
[01:11] <plujon> I notice the debootstrap instructions are inconsistent: In D.4.3. Run debootstrap, the instructions allude to a url in the example below, but the example shows no url.
[01:11] <plujon> Maybe I'll try grub loopback ...
[01:28] <plujon> It seems that debootstrap fails much, perhaps in part due to `set -e` and insufficient checking if debootstrap has already been run once.  I'm also surprised to see it try to run: `chroot /mnt/irenaeus dpkg-deb -f '' Version`  That doesn't make much sense to me.
[01:30] <plujon> Meanwhile: sudo cp ~/Downloads/lubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso /boot/grml/
[01:30] <plujon> cp: error writing '/boot/grml/lubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso': No space left on device
[01:33] <plujon> Maybe I can use ubuntu's mini.iso and convert to lubuntu after install.
[01:33] <plujon> apt-get install lubuntu # ???
[01:33] <tsimonq2> apt install lubuntu-desktop^
[01:34] <plujon> Ugh, even mini.iso does not fit on /boot/grml .
[01:35] <Unit193> (FWIW, I actually use my own packaged version of arch-install-scripts for some of the heavy lifting. >_> )
[01:41] <plujon> That's enough trying for today.  Maybe I'll get it tomorrow.
[01:41] <plujon> Thanks.
[08:00] <Zebs> Hey folks, any idea what's up with this? https://i.stack.imgur.com/v33HT.jpg
[08:01] <Zebs> The thread I found it on seems dead, and I'm finding this issue with a pair of Acer AspireOne ZG5 Netbooks.
[08:01] <Zebs> Fresh install of current release, they both have the issue, unsurprisingly.
[08:06] <farruinn> I've had the same issue. A grub command fixed it, one sec I'll let you know
[08:07] <farruinn> Oh, no sorry. I had to revert to an earlier kernel.
[08:08] <hateball> Zebs: tried nomodeset ?
[08:10] <farruinn> Zebs: add nomodeset to your grub line in /etc/default/grub to get a bootable system. Then install kernel version 4.11
[08:12] <farruinn> Zebs: the relevant bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639
[08:14] <Zebs> Ahh, awesome!
[08:14] <Zebs> Thanks!
[08:15] <farruinn> Zebs: yw, I recognized that screen right away!
[08:28] <Zebs> Heh...
[19:55] <bo_> burned the disc now how do i install
[19:56] <wxl> boot it
[19:57] <bo_> is there a way to do that without restarting windows?
[19:57] <wxl> no
[19:57] <wxl> here's an ubuntu-specific tutorial on it but lubuntu is more or less the same except it looks different https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop#0
[19:57] <bo_> ok so i have to do that in the bios?
[19:58] <bo_> perfect
[19:58] <bo_> thats what i needed thanks
[19:58] <wxl> np
[20:41] <Guest6007> i burned the 64 bit desktop to a dvd. It has folders with files etc and a folder named install but there is no setup.exe and it doesnt boot
[22:05] <Guest6007> i burned the 64 bit desktop to a dvd. It has folders with files etc and a folder named install but there is no setup.exe and it doesnt boot
[22:06] <wxl> setup.exe?
[22:06] <Guest6007> it seemed to burn ok
[22:06] <Guest6007> it verified ok
[22:06] <wxl> it's not a windows program
[22:06] <wxl> the ISO is a disk image
[22:06] <wxl> you don't copy it over to media
[22:06] <wxl> in other words, you don't copy it over to a media with an existent file system
[22:07] <wxl> the image contains a file system
[22:07] <Guest6007> i was referencing the screenshot from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCD?_ga=2.7548402.1943848156.1515695132-2072536755.1515695132
[22:07] <Guest6007> it has a setup.exe
[22:07] <wxl> so when you direct your BIOS to boot from it, it boots\
[22:07] <Guest6007> so that was kind of my question
[22:07] <wxl> ah yeah no don't worry about that
[22:07] <Guest6007> i guess i need the instrucs for getting bios to boot from it
[22:07] <wxl> that's from when we use to have wubi, which we don't have anymore
[22:07] <wxl> they differ for every single computer
[22:08] <Guest6007> dang
[22:08] <wxl> basically you need to get into your BIOS and change your settings so that it will boot to the DVD before it boots to the hard drive (where your windows is)
[22:08] <wxl> some computers also have separate settings for enabling or disabling booting to external media, so you'd have the twiddle that too
[22:09] <wxl> that link you sent kind of covers it
[22:09] <wxl> but you need to look at it generally than specifically
[22:09] <wxl> you may want to check with the manufacturer of your computer and see if they offer instructions
[22:09] <Guest6007> ok thanks
[22:10] <wxl> especially if you have a windows 8+ computer, it probably uses a "fast boot" thing
[22:10] <wxl> which means you don't even see the BIOS screen
[22:10] <wxl> so you'll have to figure out which key to press in order to get to it
[22:17] <Guest6007> i will realign my expectations with what i need to do here.
[22:17] <wxl> :)
[22:18] <Guest6007> i have an old laptop sitting around that will work for my training purposes
[22:18] <wxl> you can do it!
[22:19] <wxl> sometimes the best solution is just to hit every f key and/or escape while booting XD
[22:19] <Guest6007> lol
[22:19] <Guest6007> yeah been three
[22:19] <Guest6007> i was thinking it would boot naturally from the instructions
[22:20] <Guest6007> so i can be pretty sure the image burned ok if i see folders etc
[22:21] <Guest6007> ?
[22:21] <wxl> pretty sure
[22:21] <Guest6007> ok thanks
[22:21] <wxl> so here's the thing, there are two possibilities for failure
[22:21] <wxl>  1. download errors
[22:21] <wxl>  2. copy errors
[22:21] <wxl> regarding #1, there are published hashes that you could calculate and compare to
[22:22] <wxl> i assumed that's what you meant when you said you verified it?
[22:22] <Guest6007> the utility had a verify option
[22:22] <Guest6007> that ran with no errors.
[22:22] <wxl> ah
[22:22] <wxl> well that *MAY* deal with #2
[22:22] <wxl> but if #1 fails that's a verified system that won't work entirely right XD
[22:22] <wxl> so let me get you a tutorial on that
[22:22] <wxl> you still have the iso file i assume?
[22:22] <Guest6007> yes
[22:23] <wxl> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[22:23] <wxl> before you start doing this, let me add something
[22:24] <wxl> you probably don't need to do the gpg steps
[22:24] <wxl> it's a good solution to verify that the file posted is the file ubuntu intended to post, but, really, if it's on their server, it's probably a non-issue
[22:24] <wxl> so just get the sums and check the iso
[22:25] <wxl> there's a link to a tool for windows there and instructions on how to use it
[22:25] <Guest6007> i have no reason to suspect the download is the issue but anyway if i boot to it and it installs i will know it was intact.
[22:27] <wxl> well
[22:27] <wxl> it's a fairly common problem unfortunately
[22:27] <wxl> a single bit being flipped could result in some very strange behavior
[22:28] <wxl> and after you've spent a bunch of time trying to get everything going only to find out in the middle of the installation that sometthing doesn't work right..... it's probably just worth checking right from the beginning
[22:28] <wxl> regarding #2, the verification *SHOULD* take care of that, but there's also an option on the boot menu to check the disc for defects
[22:31] <Guest6007> ok point well taken