=== jamesh_ is now known as jamesh === maclin1 is now known as maclin [06:59] morning desktopers! [07:22] Morning Nafallo [07:22] (which looks a lot like mid-afternoon here) [07:33] good morning === mvo_ is now known as mvo [08:12] Morning desktopers [08:15] hey flexiondotorg [08:19] Morning didrocks, flexiondotorg [08:20] hey duflu [08:33] good morning! [08:35] duflu: morning is a state of mind. coffee-infused state in my case ;-) [08:36] where's seb? [08:36] Here I think [08:36] Morning seb128 [08:36] hey duflu [08:36] good morning desktopers [08:37] salut seb128! I want to harass you in private when you have time ;-) [08:38] hey Nafallo, you can ask, I'm not settled down at the keyboard yet so might take a bit to reply though [09:03] yo ho ho [09:04] hey Laney, how are you? [09:07] Morning Laney. Is the tree still up then? [09:10] hey seb128 duflu [09:10] seb128: good, I fixed my bike last night, was easy in the end :-) [09:11] duflu: nope, it is now exiled to Siber^Wthe front garden [09:11] but I did see it out of the window looking all forlorn [09:12] eeeehey Laney [09:15] people are really panicy about meltdown and spectre... but not until their vacations were over. *sigh* [09:23] moin didrocks! === ecloud_wfh is now known as ecloud [09:27] andyrock: yo, did you upload the wrong diff for protobuf the second time? it doesn't have 3 patches :P [09:27] mmm [09:27] wait a moment [09:28] I can probably fix that quickly if you don't have it [09:28] so no big deal [09:28] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/353067043/protobuf.debdiff [09:29] Good morning lovely desktoppers :) Upgraded to 17.10 yesterday - it's rather nice - Thank you [09:29] Laney: are you sure did you pick the correct one? [09:29] it looks like theare are three patches here [09:30] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xYnJ2jJf/ [09:30] czajkowski: thanks for the feedback :) [09:32] andyrock: errrrrrrrrrr no, but that's not on bug #1735160 ? [09:32] bug 1735160 in httmock (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] Please backport python3-macaroonbakery 0.0.6-1 [universe] from bionic" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735160 [09:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/httmock/+bug/1735160/comments/13 [09:32] hmm wait [09:32] didrocks: de rien :) [09:32] oh yeh /o\ [09:33] didrocks: only thing borked for me is my trackpad, refuses to do right click even when I installed tweak tools :/ but will work out why [09:34] hi gang [09:34] hey willcooke, how is London ? [09:34] hey czajkowski, how are you? [09:34] czajkowski, two finger right click? [09:35] seb128: all good thanks, just need to shake this blasted cough off before travels kick in :) [09:35] seb128, raining \o/ [09:35] lol [09:35] duflu: 2 or 1 - neither work on a X1 carbon trackpad [09:35] Got to ride on the new trains today, they're 12 cars long now instead of 8 [09:35] czajkowski, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1699033 [09:35] Launchpad bug 1699033 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Two-finger right click does not work in 17.10 gnome-shell" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:35] seb128: on countdown to FOSDEM so that always makes me happy [09:35] duflu: ironically I can't click that now :/ [09:37] duflu: that's it!! [09:37] :D [09:37] thank you [09:43] No worries [09:44] Odd that the default doesn't work with modern multi-touch clickpads [09:44] It probably should [09:44] czajkowski: hum, was it a new install or upgrade? [09:45] Mine is always new install [09:45] ok, so its not a synaptic vs libinput, the 2 being installed thingy [09:46] didrocks: upgrade [09:47] didrocks: yes but there was some oddness on the upgrade, like who turns off the clock and calendar and a few other little quirks. Once popey told me about the tweaks tool I got everything really sorted bar the right click [09:49] Interesting. People reported the clock and calendar was missing and I assumed they had made a mistake [09:51] what have you changed in Tweaks? That could help us smooth the upgrade for 18.04 [09:51] duflu: eh no :) it's kinda the one thing I look at daily, one I thing I need to work out is how to show multiple timezones on the clock - used to be able to by adding multiple timezones [09:51] duflu: clock and calendar turned on [09:51] didrocks: ^ [09:51] didrocks: battery amount left - now turned on [09:52] didrocks: buttons to the LEFT :D not for everyone but am so used to it I had to put them back [09:52] heheh [09:52] didrocks: right clicking of the track pad was borked so tried to fix that it's working just not everywere so I think there is an actual bug with it [09:52] ok, so battery/buttons are things that we wanted that way (and not tweaking that hidden % option :p) [09:52] let me look at the clock/calendar options [09:52] didrocks: but why would you not want t know what amount of battery is left :) [09:53] czajkowski: the icon is enough to know where I'm at :) [09:53] and I have a notification when it's really low [09:53] so, when I need to plug it in [09:53] ;interesting [09:53] see this is why it's so nice to be able to configure things :) [09:54] got used to only using the icon when android did this [09:54] yes! :) [09:54] it* [09:54] czajkowski: I don't find any settings in Tweaks about date/calendar [09:55] ah, apart from adding seconds and weeks numbers [09:55] but those are adjusting them to add more infos [09:55] not that they don't appear at all [09:56] in TOp bar [09:56] yep, there is clock: add date / seconds [09:56] my clock was off for date. [09:56] but I didnt add seconds [09:56] yeah, it's expected, the default is name of the day + hour [09:57] that's what you got by default, correct? [09:57] ok cool [09:57] thank you :) [09:57] (I thought you didn't get any clock displayed?) [09:57] Trevinho, what's your github nick? [09:57] willcooke: ahah, had to find it to ping him this morning as well :) [09:57] didrocks, :DDD [09:57] 3v1n0 guessing :D [09:58] willcooke: 3v1n0 [09:58] nope [09:58] it is [09:58] https://github.com/3v1n0 [09:58] https://github.com/3v1n0 [09:58] @3v1n0 doesn't work though [09:58] in a bug report on the ubuntu project [09:58] huh [09:58] odd [09:58] But it says he's in Italy [09:58] That's hardly ever true [09:58] :D [09:58] ahahaha [09:58] lies, indeed! [09:59] duflu: I see you added me to ubuntu-audio-dev, but I was just asked to sponsor some uploads :) [09:59] bah I give up. Trevinho I've tried to "@" you on this: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/desktop-design/issues/51 [09:59] tjaalton, Doesn't matter... turns out you're already elite enough to be a member indirectly [09:59] via other teams [10:00] ah [10:08] Later [10:18] good morning desktoppers [10:19] stupid paperwork kept me afk almost all morning :/ [10:19] willcooke: maybe he's not part of CanonicalLtd [10:20] ah he is [10:20] would be a harsh way to find out you're in the group anymore :) [11:03] andyrock: would a good changelog entry for py-macaroon-bakery be "Backport from Bionic to Xenial" "Allow the version of six that we have in Xenial" and "Use protocol buffers version 2 as this is what is available in Xenial (3 is in Bionic)"? [11:04] yup, maybe you could mention also python3-requests and python3-tz [11:06] ah no forget about it [11:06] Laney: it's fine as you said [11:06] okies [11:07] thanks! [11:07] thanks for taking care of this <3 [11:30] andyrock: hmm, py-macaroon-bakery needs nacl 1.1.2 but xenial only has 1.0.1 [11:35] mmm [11:36] i remembered I did something about that before holidays [11:36] let me check [11:38] if I remeber correctly I lowered done the nacl dependency but there were a small change in the code [11:39] but it's not in the debdiff [11:39] for sure in the ppa [11:39] * andyrock is not used to work with debdiffs [11:40] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/349079783/py-macaroon-bakery_0.0.6-1ubuntu2_0.0.6-1ubuntu3.diff.gz [11:41] Laney: ^^^ [11:41] if you want I can make a new debdiff [11:41] sorry about that :( [11:43] backporting python3-nacl was not an option [11:51] andyrock: alright, no worries, thanks for the diff [11:51] that sounds better than backporting more stuff indeed :P [11:52] also I just realized I removed that python3.patch from the series but not the actual file :O [11:53] hey hey sil2100 [11:53] good timing [11:53] sil2100: do you mind taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/httmock/+bug/1735160/comments/14 [11:53] Launchpad bug 1735160 in protobuf (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] Please backport python3-macaroonbakery 0.0.6-1 [universe] from bionic" [Undecided,In progress] [11:53] in a nutshell we need to SRU py-macaroon-bakery from B to X [11:53] should we target 17.10 too? [12:01] are there known issues with turning on bluetooth on 18.04 currently? [12:01] the menu says Off, and gives me an option to turn it off. settings says it's off and only the color changes when I click on the slide button. [12:03] Nafallo: did it use to work in previous releases? [12:03] yes [12:03] 17.04 at least. I didn't stay long enough on 17.10 to test :-P [12:03] maybe didrocks knows more [12:03] i.e. it last worked on Unity ;-) [12:04] seb128, hi [12:04] I think bluetooth is on though... the LED on my Lenovo x201 is on :-) [12:05] seb128, can you upload my Avahi package of bug 1736757? [12:05] bug 1736757 in avahi (Ubuntu) "[PATCH] Avahi does not support local-only services via the loopback interface" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736757 [12:07] andyrock: hey! Yes, it's as L_aney mentioned on the bug [12:07] sil2100: thanks [12:07] andyrock: all valid upgrade paths should be satisfied - there are certain exceptions of course, but this is the general rule [12:07] Laney: I'll check what needs to be done [12:08] sil2100: we can forget about 17.04 right? [12:09] Laney: at least we have python3-protobuf in 17.10 \o/ [12:12] andyrock: I think it's rather duflu who is the bluetooth expert. bluetooth never really worked when I try it [12:15] now it turns on for the slider, but says it's off underneath O_O [12:16] and dmesg said stuff about connecting and disconnecting usb while it was still off everywhere, nothing now that it said on for the slider :-P [12:16] I may want to reboot in a bit and see if that helps :-) [12:19] same in the menu, off and I can trigger off. but the settings work now :-) [12:20] Laney: I added a comment to describe what needs to be done to backport in Artful [12:20] if you need the debdiffs let me know [12:23] I'll catch teh bluetooth expert later ;-) [12:29] tkamppeter, hey, yes, I have a look this afternoon [12:30] OK. [12:35] tkamppeter, uploaded [12:37] andyrock, might be a bit slow here, but I dont think there is much need for 17.10 since LP doesnt run there. If noone else needs that version of bakery, I'd say its not worth it [12:39] the problem is not the version of the bakery [12:39] but all the packages that the backer depends on [12:40] so e.g. py-macaroon-bakery requires py-macaroons [12:40] version 0.12 [12:40] both in artful and in xenial there is version 0.10 [12:40] if we update in xenial to 0.12 we need to update in artful too [12:41] seb128, thanks. [12:42] andyrock, ahh, got ya. bummer [12:42] seb128, can you also have a lokk at my NEW packages? [13:08] has anyone found a decent workspace switcher extension? [13:14] mdeslaur, not I. I'm just using hot keys [13:31] oh! mouse scroll over applications button [13:31] that works [13:32] nice [13:36] mdeslaur, you don't just use ctrl+alt+⭡/⭣ to switch workspaces? [13:37] margarita in my left hand, mouse in my right. You want me to let go of both just to switch workspaces? [13:37] :DD [13:38] lol [13:38] mouse scroll over the applications button is great and is just what I was looking for [13:42] Another satisfied customer [13:43] hey cyphermox, can you tell me what the fix was for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1727237 ? [13:43] Launchpad bug 1727237 in systemd (Ubuntu Artful) "systemd-resolved is not finding a domain" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:43] Was it "just" a config change? [13:52] mdeslaur: your testcase was exactly the one I thought when enabling the option :) [13:53] didrocks: heh, yours probably had a glass of nice wine ;) [13:54] shhhhhhhhh ;) [13:57] hehe [14:54] willcooke: more like a workaround than a fix [14:55] but yeah, it looks like the config change was good enough? [14:56] this kind of doesn't make sense since the behavior looks more like no caching and things failing because of that [14:59] cyphermox, ack thx. Is there any more testing we can do with that? And I assume that backporting to Artful isnt really worth it right? [14:59] cyphermox, willcooke, what was the config change/fix? the bug doesnt have much clue, also it's "fix commited" does it mean the fix is pending upload but not uploaded yet? [15:02] willcooke: seb128: I have no clue why xnox set it to Fix Committed, presumably because he had some code ready, but I do not know [15:02] as far as I can tell from comment #12, what worked was disabling caching. [15:02] so we assume there is a fix but there is no evidence that's the case? [15:03] seb128: ask xnox? [15:03] xnox, ^ [15:03] willcooke, I don't think that issue has been resolved, at least it doesn't look like it's the case from the bug/uploads [15:03] seb128, thanks. Lets see what xnox says [15:04] seb128: fwiw, I agree, there needs to be more testing done and there will have to be some fix in systemd code [15:04] cyphermox, thanks [15:04] cyphermox, oh and happy new year btw :) [15:05] tkamppeter, do you know what the source of the "Added printer XYZ...." notifications that pop up quite often is? I dont get it at home, but in the office an HP something-or-other pops up about once an hour. [15:05] Could be a network blip which causes it to get re-added or something like that [15:06] willcooke, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789490 [15:06] Gnome bug 789490 in printers ""Printer added" notification appears every few minutes" [Normal,New] [15:06] ah ha! Thanks seb128, I will read that [15:07] yw, not very useful though, it's known/reported but nobody looked at it/debugged [15:07] oh [15:07] sad face [15:08] yeah :/ [15:08] I think my theory could be correct [15:08] I think when the DHCP address gets renewed, thats when it pops up [15:09] Will comment on that bug [15:09] yeah, could well be [15:09] unsure those notifications are ever useful [15:09] I get one of those every time I work for a coffee nearby [15:10] hmm, I quite like that it says "Hey! I did a thing and found a printer" [15:10] and I neither care about that printer nor have the permission to use it [15:10] but not every 10 mins otr what ever [15:10] I guess it's useful when you buy a new printer and connect it and it just works [15:10] but when connecting to a random wifi what you are looking for is probably not to know what printers are available [15:11] but yeah, tricky to make the difference :/ [15:13] unless you are actively trying to print something, I don't know why you'd want to get those notifications. my 2c [15:14] cyphermox, willcooke, seb128 - so two things. I did set it to fix committed, when i committed in systemd-git to disable dns caching. But there was no positive responses on the bug stating that that fixes things. Secondly, I have realised that potentially network-manager resolved plugin doesn't correctly mark discovered domains as search-domains, and passes them as routing domains only. I think that bit also needs fixing. [15:14] * xnox reads comment #12 [15:15] hm, there is a request on how to test things. [15:15] maybe i should prepare a package in an silo with caching disabled and ask people to test things? [15:19] hmmm maybe UCL uses that wifi hotspot solution [15:21] xnox: NM dns plugin setting things as a domain or search-domain would not make a difference for the bug [15:22] ack [15:22] xnox: as I mentioned yesterday, I can trek out to test with Cache disabled on friday, maybe? [15:22] yeap, you did. And it's the same arubababababah network thing right? [15:23] yeah [15:23] cause my attempts to find that one in the wild, were so far futile. [15:23] starbucks is evil [15:23] * xnox this is like Pokemon Go [15:23] I have two locations that "work" in that they exhibit the bug, they're just 40 km out. [15:28] cyphermox, you have incentives ;-) === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [15:30] willcooke, the "Printer Added" should be triggered when CUPS creates a print queue. Then CUPS shouts into the D-Bus and some GUIs (like GNOME) make use of these notifications. [15:32] willcooke, print queues are automatically created by cups-browsed, based on DNS-SD broadcasts. [15:33] willcooke, usually a queue is created when a printer is turned on or connected or when the computer enters a network with a printer. [15:34] xnox: yeah, I was wondering what the hell this weird email from starbucks was [15:34] willcooke, the queue is removed when the printer is turned off or disconnected, the computer leaves the network, or cups-browsed stops. [15:34] cyphermox, it was so bilingue! [15:35] willcooke, this should not be every 10 minutes. [15:36] willcooke, can it be that your Wi-Fi connection is very unstable? [15:36] xnox, hi [15:37] xnox, did you see mu message on #ubuntu-devel? [15:37] tkamppeter, i have [15:38] xnox, any idea to get this working again? [15:40] willcooke: that was missing a trailing 0 :) or should I fix this as it was in gnome gitlab? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOMEInfrastructure/sysadmin-bin/issues/2 :-D [15:40] good morning Trevinho! [15:41] hi seb128, had some pure night hacking back.... This timezone isn't really mine :-| [15:41] haha [15:45] tkamppeter, ack, thanks. I'm pretty sure that it's on DHCP renew. [16:23] grrr. And of course while I have a tail running on syslog it doesn't bloody do it, does it. [16:24] xnox, re: n-m/resolved bug - do I understand correctly, you're on the case? [16:24] xnox, if so, I'm travelling over the weekend, so will happily test PPAs etc [16:28] willcooke, i have theories and no access to a bad network to test them. [16:29] willcooke, and it's non-trivial to test things; as one needs to have cached state locally and/or two machines with different sets of things (as access points tend to "remember" macs / authentications) [16:35] meh. my friend with an Aruba at home moved to China for a year, or I might have been able to help test stuff :-P [16:36] xnox: in case you need testing on UBNT UniFi I have stuff :-) [16:36] fwiw etc [16:37] Nafallo, you run a wifi hotspot with a 3rd party captive portal by default, at home? =) [16:39] xnox: my captive portal is in my local dmz, but yeah... :-) [16:39] well, public and server is setting in the next room ;-) [16:39] * Nafallo goes and read the bug properly [16:43] xnox, who at Ubuntu is doing systemd? [16:46] tkamppeter, xnox is :) [16:46] the bug mentions several vendors of hotspots, but only specifically starbucks and aruba. do we know which others? [16:47] I'm happy to reinstall one of my 10 laptops with 18.04 or 17.10 and try :-) [16:48] hmm. I have access to cisco guest portal at work as well, coming to think of it :-) [16:48] Nafallo, I'm not sure that bug is that well understood [16:48] or define on what portals/env have the issue [16:48] agreed. [16:48] those BT fon hotspots are quite good for captive portal testing in the UK, depending on the bug [16:48] * Laney can see one from here [16:49] could it be helpful if I test Cisco and UniFi then? :-) [16:49] Nafallo, I guess it would [16:49] best thing it works :) [16:49] alright. I'll go grab 18.04 daily then. [16:49] thanks [16:51] Laney, the issue is bug #1727237 [16:51] bug 1727237 in systemd (Ubuntu Artful) "systemd-resolved is not finding a domain" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1727237 [16:57] seb128: yeah I think I tried it last year and it didn't happen on this hotspot [16:57] Laney, yeah, I dont think it "works" (breaks) on FON [16:57] or, annoyingly, that one that we found from the London office [17:01] right, heading for the train. layers [17:01] laters [17:06] seb128: could you subscribe the appropriate bug teams to woff2 for MIR bug 1742743 ? [17:06] bug 1742743 in woff2 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] woff2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742743 [17:19] Ubiquiti UniFi works w/ 18.04 [17:20] will check Cisco ISE tomorrow. [17:21] I just need to connect to a guest network and get the portal page, right? [17:21] seb128, there is another bug which needs sponsoring: bug 934291 needs sponsoring of cups-pk-helper with the patch from comment #53. [17:21] bug 934291 in cups-pk-helper (Ubuntu) "Deleting or stopping print jobs does not work" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934291 [17:21] xnox, cyphermox: ^-- [17:22] I can probably pop by the train station and test with a Swedish train tomorrow as well ;-) [17:22] not sure what they run... [17:27] tkamppeter, ok [17:29] jbicha, done, desktop-bugs subscribed