[06:59] <Nafallo> morning desktopers!
[07:22] <duflu> Morning Nafallo
[07:22] <duflu> (which looks a lot like mid-afternoon here)
[07:33] <didrocks> good morning
[08:12] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:15] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg
[08:19] <duflu> Morning didrocks, flexiondotorg
[08:20] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:33] <andyrock> good morning!
[08:35] <Nafallo> duflu: morning is a state of mind. coffee-infused state in my case ;-)
[08:36] <Nafallo> where's seb?
[08:36] <duflu> Here I think
[08:36] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:36] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:36] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:37] <Nafallo> salut seb128! I want to harass you in private when you have time ;-)
[08:38] <seb128> hey Nafallo, you can ask, I'm not settled down at the keyboard yet so might take a bit to reply though
[09:03] <Laney> yo ho ho
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:07] <duflu> Morning Laney. Is the tree still up then?
[09:10] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu
[09:10] <Laney> seb128: good, I fixed my bike last night, was easy in the end :-)
[09:11] <Laney> duflu: nope, it is now exiled to Siber^Wthe front garden
[09:11] <Laney> but I did see it out of the window looking all forlorn
[09:12] <didrocks> eeeehey Laney
[09:15] <Nafallo> people are really panicy about meltdown and spectre... but not until their vacations were over. *sigh*
[09:23] <Laney> moin didrocks!
[09:27] <Laney> andyrock: yo, did you upload the wrong diff for protobuf the second time? it doesn't have 3 patches :P
[09:27] <andyrock> mmm
[09:27] <andyrock> wait a moment
[09:28] <Laney> I can probably fix that quickly if you don't have it
[09:28] <Laney> so no big deal
[09:28] <andyrock> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/353067043/protobuf.debdiff
[09:29] <czajkowski> Good morning lovely desktoppers :) Upgraded to 17.10 yesterday - it's rather nice - Thank you
[09:29] <andyrock> Laney: are you sure did you pick the correct one?
[09:29] <andyrock> it looks like theare are three patches here
[09:30] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xYnJ2jJf/
[09:30] <didrocks> czajkowski: thanks for the feedback :)
[09:32] <Laney> andyrock: errrrrrrrrrr no, but that's not on bug #1735160 ?
[09:32] <andyrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/httmock/+bug/1735160/comments/13
[09:32] <Laney> hmm wait
[09:32] <czajkowski> didrocks: de rien :)
[09:32] <Laney> oh yeh /o\
[09:33] <czajkowski> didrocks: only thing borked for me is my trackpad, refuses to do right click even when I installed tweak tools :/ but will work out why
[09:34] <willcooke> hi gang
[09:34] <seb128> hey willcooke, how is London ?
[09:34] <seb128> hey czajkowski, how are you?
[09:34] <duflu> czajkowski, two finger right click?
[09:35] <czajkowski> seb128: all good thanks, just need to shake this blasted cough off before travels kick in :)
[09:35] <willcooke> seb128, raining \o/
[09:35] <seb128> lol
[09:35] <czajkowski> duflu: 2 or 1 - neither work on a X1 carbon trackpad
[09:35] <willcooke> Got to ride on the new trains today, they're 12 cars long now instead of 8
[09:35] <duflu> czajkowski, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1699033
[09:35] <czajkowski> seb128: on countdown to FOSDEM so that always makes me happy
[09:35] <czajkowski> duflu: ironically I can't click that now :/
[09:37] <czajkowski> duflu: that's it!!
[09:37] <czajkowski> :D
[09:37] <czajkowski> thank you
[09:43] <duflu> No worries
[09:44] <duflu> Odd that the default doesn't work with modern multi-touch clickpads
[09:44] <duflu> It probably should
[09:44] <didrocks> czajkowski: hum, was it a new install or upgrade?
[09:45] <duflu> Mine is always new install
[09:45] <didrocks> ok, so its not a synaptic vs libinput, the 2 being installed thingy
[09:46] <czajkowski> didrocks: upgrade
[09:47] <czajkowski> didrocks: yes but there was some oddness on the upgrade, like who turns off the clock and calendar and a few other little quirks. Once popey told me about the tweaks tool I got everything really sorted bar the right click
[09:49] <duflu> Interesting. People reported the clock and calendar was missing and I assumed they had made a mistake
[09:51] <didrocks> what have you changed in Tweaks? That could help us smooth the upgrade for 18.04
[09:51] <czajkowski> duflu: eh no :) it's kinda the one thing I look at daily, one I thing I need to work out is how to show multiple timezones on the clock - used to be able to by adding multiple timezones
[09:51] <czajkowski> duflu: clock and calendar turned on
[09:51] <czajkowski> didrocks: ^
[09:51] <czajkowski> didrocks: battery amount left - now turned on
[09:52] <czajkowski> didrocks: buttons to the LEFT :D not for everyone but am so used to it I had to put them back
[09:52] <popey> heheh
[09:52] <czajkowski> didrocks: right clicking of the track pad was borked so tried to fix that it's working just not everywere so I think there is an actual bug with it
[09:52] <didrocks> ok, so battery/buttons are things that we wanted that way (and not tweaking that hidden % option :p)
[09:52] <didrocks> let me look at the clock/calendar options
[09:52] <czajkowski> didrocks: but why would you not want t know what amount of battery is left :)
[09:53] <didrocks> czajkowski: the icon is enough to know where I'm at :)
[09:53] <didrocks> and I have a notification when it's really low
[09:53] <didrocks> so, when I need to plug it in
[09:53] <czajkowski> ;interesting
[09:53] <czajkowski> see this is why it's so nice to be able to configure things :)
[09:54] <didrocks> got used to only using the icon when android did this
[09:54] <didrocks> yes! :)
[09:54] <didrocks> it*
[09:54] <didrocks> czajkowski: I don't find any settings in Tweaks about date/calendar
[09:55] <didrocks> ah, apart from adding seconds and weeks numbers
[09:55] <didrocks> but those are adjusting them to add more infos
[09:55] <didrocks> not that they don't appear at all
[09:56] <czajkowski> in TOp bar
[09:56] <didrocks> yep, there is clock: add date / seconds
[09:56] <czajkowski> my clock was off for date.
[09:56] <czajkowski> but I didnt add seconds
[09:56] <didrocks> yeah, it's expected, the default is name of the day + hour
[09:57] <didrocks> that's what you got by default, correct?
[09:57] <czajkowski> ok cool
[09:57] <czajkowski> thank you :)
[09:57] <didrocks> (I thought you didn't get any clock displayed?)
[09:57] <willcooke> Trevinho, what's your github nick?
[09:57] <didrocks> willcooke: ahah, had to find it to ping him this morning as well :)
[09:57] <willcooke> didrocks, :DDD
[09:57] <andyrock> 3v1n0 guessing :D
[09:58] <didrocks> willcooke: 3v1n0
[09:58] <willcooke> nope
[09:58] <didrocks> it is
[09:58] <andyrock> https://github.com/3v1n0
[09:58] <didrocks> https://github.com/3v1n0
[09:58] <didrocks> @3v1n0 doesn't work though
[09:58] <didrocks> in a bug report on the ubuntu project
[09:58] <willcooke> huh
[09:58] <willcooke> odd
[09:58] <duflu> But it says he's in Italy
[09:58] <duflu> That's hardly ever true
[09:58] <willcooke> :D
[09:58] <andyrock> ahahaha
[09:58] <didrocks> lies, indeed!
[09:59] <tjaalton> duflu: I see you added me to ubuntu-audio-dev, but I was just asked to sponsor some uploads :)
[09:59] <willcooke> bah I give up.  Trevinho I've tried to "@" you on this:  https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/desktop-design/issues/51
[09:59] <duflu> tjaalton, Doesn't matter... turns out you're already elite enough to be a member indirectly
[09:59] <duflu> via other teams
[10:00] <tjaalton> ah
[10:08] <duflu> Later
[10:18] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[10:19] <oSoMoN> stupid paperwork kept me afk almost all morning :/
[10:19] <andyrock> willcooke: maybe he's not part of CanonicalLtd
[10:20] <andyrock> ah he is
[10:20] <czajkowski> would be a harsh way to find out you're in the group anymore :)
[11:03] <Laney> andyrock: would a good changelog entry for py-macaroon-bakery be "Backport from Bionic to Xenial" "Allow the version of six that we have in Xenial" and "Use protocol buffers version 2 as this is what is available in Xenial (3 is in Bionic)"?
[11:04] <andyrock> yup, maybe you could mention also python3-requests and python3-tz
[11:06] <andyrock> ah no forget about it
[11:06] <andyrock> Laney: it's fine as you said
[11:06] <Laney> okies
[11:07] <Laney> thanks!
[11:07] <andyrock> thanks for taking care of this <3
[11:30] <Laney> andyrock: hmm, py-macaroon-bakery needs nacl 1.1.2 but xenial only has 1.0.1
[11:35] <andyrock> mmm
[11:36] <andyrock> i remembered I did something about that before holidays
[11:36] <andyrock> let me check
[11:38] <andyrock> if I remeber correctly I lowered done the nacl dependency but there were a small change in the code
[11:39] <andyrock> but it's not in the debdiff
[11:39] <andyrock> for sure in the ppa
[11:39]  * andyrock is not used to work with debdiffs
[11:40] <andyrock> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/349079783/py-macaroon-bakery_0.0.6-1ubuntu2_0.0.6-1ubuntu3.diff.gz
[11:41] <andyrock> Laney: ^^^
[11:41] <andyrock> if you want I can  make a new debdiff
[11:41] <andyrock> sorry about that :(
[11:43] <andyrock> backporting python3-nacl was not an option
[11:51] <Laney> andyrock: alright, no worries, thanks for the diff
[11:51] <Laney> that sounds better than backporting more stuff indeed :P
[11:52] <andyrock> also I just realized I removed that python3.patch from the series but not the actual file :O
[11:53] <andyrock> hey hey sil2100
[11:53] <andyrock> good timing
[11:53] <andyrock> sil2100: do you mind taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/httmock/+bug/1735160/comments/14
[11:53] <andyrock> in a nutshell we need to SRU py-macaroon-bakery from B to X
[11:53] <andyrock> should we target 17.10 too?
[12:01] <Nafallo> are there known issues with turning on bluetooth on 18.04 currently?
[12:01] <Nafallo> the menu says Off, and gives me an option to turn it off. settings says it's off and only the color changes when I click on the slide button.
[12:03] <andyrock> Nafallo: did it use to work in previous releases?
[12:03] <Nafallo> yes
[12:03] <Nafallo> 17.04 at least. I didn't stay long enough on 17.10 to test :-P
[12:03] <andyrock> maybe didrocks knows more
[12:03] <Nafallo> i.e. it last worked on Unity ;-)
[12:04] <tkamppeter> seb128, hi
[12:04] <Nafallo> I think bluetooth is on though... the LED on my Lenovo x201 is on :-)
[12:05] <tkamppeter> seb128, can you upload my Avahi package of bug 1736757?
[12:07] <sil2100> andyrock: hey! Yes, it's as L_aney mentioned on the bug
[12:07] <andyrock> sil2100: thanks
[12:07] <sil2100> andyrock: all valid upgrade paths should be satisfied - there are certain exceptions of course, but this is the general rule
[12:07] <andyrock> Laney: I'll check what needs to be done
[12:08] <andyrock> sil2100: we can forget about 17.04 right?
[12:09] <andyrock> Laney: at least we have python3-protobuf in 17.10 \o/
[12:12] <didrocks> andyrock: I think it's rather duflu who is the bluetooth expert. bluetooth never really worked when I try it
[12:15] <Nafallo> now it turns on for the slider, but says it's off underneath O_O
[12:16] <Nafallo> and dmesg said stuff about connecting and disconnecting usb while it was still off everywhere, nothing now that it said on for the slider :-P
[12:16] <Nafallo> I may want to reboot in a bit and see if that helps :-)
[12:19] <Nafallo> same in the menu, off and I can trigger off. but the settings work now :-)
[12:20] <andyrock> Laney: I added a comment to describe what needs to be done to backport in Artful
[12:20] <andyrock> if you need the debdiffs let me know
[12:23] <Nafallo> I'll catch teh bluetooth expert later ;-)
[12:29] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, yes, I have a look this afternoon
[12:30] <tkamppeter> OK.
[12:35] <seb128> tkamppeter, uploaded
[12:37] <willcooke> andyrock, might be a bit slow here, but I dont think there is much need for 17.10 since LP doesnt run there.  If noone else needs that version of bakery, I'd say its not worth it
[12:39] <andyrock> the problem is not the version of the bakery
[12:39] <andyrock> but all the packages that the backer depends on
[12:40] <andyrock> so e.g. py-macaroon-bakery requires py-macaroons
[12:40] <andyrock> version 0.12
[12:40] <andyrock> both in artful and in xenial there is version 0.10
[12:40] <andyrock> if we update in xenial to 0.12 we need to update in artful too
[12:41] <tkamppeter> seb128, thanks.
[12:42] <willcooke> andyrock, ahh, got ya.  bummer
[12:42] <tkamppeter> seb128, can you also have a lokk at my NEW packages?
[13:08] <mdeslaur> has anyone found a decent workspace switcher extension?
[13:14] <willcooke> mdeslaur, not I.  I'm just using hot keys
[13:31] <mdeslaur> oh! mouse scroll over applications button
[13:31] <mdeslaur> that works
[13:32] <mdeslaur> nice
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, you don't just use ctrl+alt+⭡/⭣ to switch workspaces?
[13:37] <mdeslaur> margarita in my left hand, mouse in my right. You want me to let go of both just to switch workspaces?
[13:37] <willcooke> :DD
[13:38] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:38] <mdeslaur> mouse scroll over the applications button is great and is just what I was looking for
[13:42] <willcooke> Another satisfied customer
[13:43] <willcooke> hey cyphermox, can you tell me what the fix was for:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1727237 ?
[13:43] <willcooke> Was it "just" a config change?
[13:52] <didrocks> mdeslaur: your testcase was exactly the one I thought when enabling the option :)
[13:53] <mdeslaur> didrocks: heh, yours probably had a glass of nice wine ;)
[13:54] <didrocks> shhhhhhhhh ;)
[13:57] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:54] <cyphermox> willcooke: more like a workaround than a fix
[14:55] <cyphermox> but yeah, it looks like the config change was good enough?
[14:56] <cyphermox> this kind of doesn't make sense since the behavior looks more like no caching and things failing because of that
[14:59] <willcooke> cyphermox, ack thx.  Is there any more testing we can do with that?  And I assume that backporting to Artful isnt really worth it right?
[14:59] <seb128> cyphermox, willcooke, what was the config change/fix? the bug doesnt have much clue, also it's "fix commited" does it mean the fix is pending upload but not uploaded yet?
[15:02] <cyphermox> willcooke: seb128: I have no clue why xnox set it to Fix Committed, presumably because he had some code ready, but I do not know
[15:02] <cyphermox> as far as I can tell from comment #12, what worked was disabling caching.
[15:02] <seb128> so we assume there is a fix but there is no evidence that's the case?
[15:03] <cyphermox> seb128: ask xnox?
[15:03] <seb128> xnox, ^
[15:03] <seb128> willcooke, I don't think that issue has been resolved, at least it doesn't look like it's the case from the bug/uploads
[15:03] <willcooke> seb128, thanks. Lets see what xnox says
[15:04] <cyphermox> seb128: fwiw, I agree, there needs to be more testing done and there will have to be some fix in systemd code
[15:04] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[15:04] <seb128> cyphermox, oh and happy new year btw :)
[15:05] <willcooke> tkamppeter, do you know what the source of the "Added printer XYZ...." notifications that pop up quite often is?  I dont get it at home, but in the office an HP something-or-other pops up about once an hour.
[15:05] <willcooke> Could be a network blip which causes it to get re-added or something like that
[15:06] <seb128> willcooke, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789490
[15:06] <willcooke> ah ha! Thanks seb128, I will read that
[15:07] <seb128> yw, not very useful though, it's known/reported but nobody looked at it/debugged
[15:07] <willcooke> oh
[15:07] <willcooke> sad face
[15:08] <seb128> yeah :/
[15:08] <willcooke> I think my theory could  be correct
[15:08] <willcooke> I think when the DHCP address gets renewed, thats when it pops up
[15:09] <willcooke> Will comment on that bug
[15:09] <seb128> yeah, could well be
[15:09] <seb128> unsure those notifications are ever useful
[15:09] <seb128> I get one of those every time I work for a coffee nearby
[15:10] <willcooke> hmm, I quite like that it says "Hey!  I did a thing and found a printer"
[15:10] <seb128> and I neither care about that printer nor have the permission to use it
[15:10] <willcooke> but not every 10 mins otr what ever
[15:10] <seb128> I guess it's useful when you buy a new printer and connect it and it just works
[15:10] <seb128> but when connecting to a random wifi what you are looking for is probably not to know what printers are available
[15:11] <seb128> but yeah, tricky to make the difference :/
[15:13] <mdeslaur> unless you are actively trying to print something, I don't know why you'd want to get those notifications. my 2c
[15:14] <xnox> cyphermox, willcooke, seb128 - so two things. I did set it to fix committed, when i committed in systemd-git to disable dns caching. But there was no positive responses on the bug stating that that fixes things. Secondly, I have realised that potentially network-manager resolved plugin doesn't correctly mark discovered domains as search-domains, and passes them as routing domains only. I think that bit also needs fixing.
[15:14]  * xnox reads comment #12
[15:15] <xnox> hm, there is a request on how to test things.
[15:15] <xnox> maybe i should prepare a package in an silo with caching disabled and ask people to test things?
[15:19] <xnox> hmmm maybe UCL uses that wifi hotspot solution
[15:21] <cyphermox> xnox: NM dns plugin setting things as a domain or search-domain would not make a difference for the bug
[15:22] <xnox> ack
[15:22] <cyphermox> xnox: as I mentioned yesterday, I can trek out to test with Cache disabled on friday, maybe?
[15:22] <xnox> yeap, you did. And it's the same arubababababah network thing right?
[15:23] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:23] <xnox> cause my attempts to find that one in the wild, were so far futile.
[15:23] <cyphermox> starbucks is evil
[15:23]  * xnox this is like Pokemon Go
[15:23] <cyphermox> I have two locations that "work" in that they exhibit the bug, they're just 40 km out.
[15:28] <xnox> cyphermox, you have incentives ;-)
[15:30] <tkamppeter> willcooke, the "Printer Added" should be triggered when CUPS creates a print queue. Then CUPS shouts into the D-Bus and some GUIs (like GNOME) make use of these notifications.
[15:32] <tkamppeter> willcooke, print queues are automatically created by cups-browsed, based on DNS-SD broadcasts.
[15:33] <tkamppeter> willcooke, usually a queue is created when a printer is turned on or connected or when the computer enters a network with a printer.
[15:34] <cyphermox> xnox: yeah, I was wondering what the hell this weird email from starbucks was
[15:34] <tkamppeter> willcooke, the queue is removed when the printer is turned off or disconnected, the computer leaves the network, or cups-browsed stops.
[15:34] <xnox> cyphermox, it was so bilingue!
[15:35] <tkamppeter> willcooke, this should not be every 10 minutes.
[15:36] <tkamppeter> willcooke, can it be that your Wi-Fi connection is very unstable?
[15:36] <tkamppeter> xnox, hi
[15:37] <tkamppeter> xnox, did you see mu message on #ubuntu-devel?
[15:37] <xnox> tkamppeter, i have
[15:38] <tkamppeter> xnox, any idea to get this working again?
[15:40] <Trevinho> willcooke: that was missing a trailing 0 :)  or should I fix this as it was in gnome gitlab? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOMEInfrastructure/sysadmin-bin/issues/2 :-D
[15:40] <seb128> good morning Trevinho!
[15:41] <Trevinho> hi seb128, had some pure night hacking back.... This timezone isn't really mine :-|
[15:41] <seb128> haha
[15:45] <willcooke> tkamppeter, ack, thanks.  I'm pretty sure that it's on DHCP renew.
[16:23] <willcooke> grrr.  And of course while I have a tail running on syslog it doesn't bloody do it, does it.
[16:24] <willcooke> xnox, re: n-m/resolved bug - do I understand correctly, you're on the case?
[16:24] <willcooke> xnox, if so, I'm travelling over the weekend, so will happily test PPAs etc
[16:28] <xnox> willcooke, i have theories and no access to a bad network to test them.
[16:29] <xnox> willcooke, and it's non-trivial to test things; as one needs to have cached state locally and/or two machines with different sets of things (as access points tend to "remember" macs / authentications)
[16:35] <Nafallo> meh. my friend with an Aruba at home moved to China for a year, or I might have been able to help test stuff :-P
[16:36] <Nafallo> xnox: in case you need testing on UBNT UniFi I have stuff :-)
[16:36] <Nafallo> fwiw etc
[16:37] <xnox> Nafallo, you run a wifi hotspot with a 3rd party captive portal by default, at home? =)
[16:39] <Nafallo> xnox: my captive portal is in my local dmz, but yeah... :-)
[16:39] <Nafallo> well, public and server is setting in the next room ;-)
[16:39]  * Nafallo goes and read the bug properly
[16:43] <tkamppeter> xnox, who at Ubuntu is doing systemd?
[16:46] <seb128> tkamppeter, xnox is :)
[16:46] <Nafallo> the bug mentions several vendors of hotspots, but only specifically starbucks and aruba. do we know which others?
[16:47] <Nafallo> I'm happy to reinstall one of my 10 laptops with 18.04 or 17.10 and try :-)
[16:48] <Nafallo> hmm. I have access to cisco guest portal at work as well, coming to think of it :-)
[16:48] <seb128> Nafallo, I'm not sure that bug is that well understood
[16:48] <seb128> or define on what portals/env have the issue
[16:48] <Nafallo> agreed.
[16:48] <Laney> those BT fon hotspots are quite good for captive portal testing in the UK, depending on the bug
[16:48]  * Laney can see one from here
[16:49] <Nafallo> could it be helpful if I test Cisco and UniFi then? :-)
[16:49] <seb128> Nafallo, I guess it would
[16:49] <seb128> best thing it works :)
[16:49] <Nafallo> alright. I'll go grab 18.04 daily then.
[16:49] <seb128> thanks
[16:51] <seb128> Laney, the issue is bug #1727237
[16:57] <Laney> seb128: yeah I think I tried it last year and it didn't happen on this hotspot
[16:57] <willcooke> Laney, yeah, I dont think it "works" (breaks) on FON
[16:57] <willcooke> or, annoyingly, that one that we found from the London office
[17:01] <willcooke> right, heading for the train.  layers
[17:01] <willcooke> laters
[17:06] <jbicha> seb128: could you subscribe the appropriate bug teams to woff2 for MIR bug 1742743 ?
[17:19] <Nafallo> Ubiquiti UniFi works w/ 18.04
[17:20] <Nafallo> will check Cisco ISE tomorrow.
[17:21] <Nafallo> I just need to connect to a guest network and get the portal page, right?
[17:21] <tkamppeter> seb128, there is another bug which needs sponsoring: bug 934291 needs sponsoring of cups-pk-helper with the patch from comment #53.
[17:21] <Nafallo> xnox, cyphermox: ^--
[17:22] <Nafallo> I can probably pop by the train station and test with a Swedish train tomorrow as well ;-)
[17:22] <Nafallo> not sure what they run...
[17:27] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok
[17:29] <seb128> jbicha, done, desktop-bugs subscribed