[00:01] <michael2> so if `apt-get dist-upgrade` was used instead of `apt-get upgrade` then the mariadb upgrade would actually happen automatically?
[00:01] <zomaar_> yes
[00:03] <zomaar_> Some high level features of mysql might not instantly work in mariadb so they don't want to risk disrupting some installation
[00:03] <lucas-arg> any good software like pspp for data analysis??
[00:03] <michael2> are the packages somehow tagged (say in the control file in the .deb archive).  to state "dont upgrade me non-interactively" and thats how apt/dpkg differentiate between them?
[00:03] <zomaar_> nacc has the answer to that
[00:04] <zomaar_> But I am pretty sure the answer is yes
[00:05] <zomaar_> dpkg doesn't know it though
[00:05] <michael2> it would be good to know, as you could potentially do a `apt list --upgradeable` to see what will be upgraded, then if you could distinguish those packages before runnig the upgrades - that would be helpful
[00:08] <zomaar_> Oh I might be wrong
[00:09] <zomaar_> But anyway
[00:09] <zomaar_> It's about new dependencies
[00:09] <zomaar_> If a package has new dependencies, it is held back
[00:11] <zomaar_> So kernels come in new packages
[00:11] <zomaar_> The linux-generic package is upgraded and gets a new dependency on the new kernel package
[00:11] <michael2> why would new dependencies be considered risky?
[00:12] <zomaar_> Maybe just for this purpose
[00:12] <zomaar_> mysql is also upgraded in this way
[00:12] <zomaar_> When you upgrade mysql-common, it actually installs mariadb
[00:13] <zomaar_> So this is how they change subsystems around
[00:13] <zomaar_> They upgrade a package that already exists
[00:13] <michael2> where mariadb is a new dependency?
[00:13] <zomaar_> And this new version has different dependencies
[00:13] <zomaar_> Yes
[00:14] <zomaar_> And it also removes stuff
[00:14] <salamanderrake> did a 'sudo apt-get install lldb-5.0' which is from clangs apt repo, and its having conflicts with python-lldb-4.0 'trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/lldb', which is also in package python-lldb-4.0 1:4.0-1ubuntu1'
[00:15] <zomaar_> salamanderrake: If you want to easily solve it you can dpkg-divert the one you don't want
[00:15] <salamanderrake> I tried fixing it by removing the *lldb-4.0* packages, but it won't get past lldb-5.0 even though its not installed.
[00:15] <salamanderrake> ak ok
[00:15] <zomaar_> But you may need to repeat this a couple of times
[00:15] <michael2> packages will regularly specify new _versions_ of dependencies - but that doesn't count as a new dependency, its only if its a completely different package the the parent package previously didnt need?
[00:15] <zomaar_> yes\
[00:16] <salamanderrake> zomaar_: do I need to specifgy the deb file?
[00:17] <zomaar_> salamanderrake: but lidb is supposed to be a directory
[00:17] <zomaar_> salamanderrake: No this works for individual files
[00:17] <zomaar_> salamanderrake: Oh
[00:17] <salamanderrake> it is a folder
[00:17] <zomaar_> salamanderrake: You can fix that by running sudo apt-get -f install
[00:18] <zomaar_> Or dpkg --configure -a
[00:18] <zomaar_> apt-get -f install will probably remove something
[00:18] <salamanderrake> nope, just failed.
[00:18] <zomaar_> then run dpkg --configure -a first
[00:19] <salamanderrake> nope either.
[00:19] <zomaar_> Then you need to show some logs
[00:19] <salamanderrake> https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/904a1d552a41daa872be1bdc721db68f
[00:20] <zomaar_> dpkg also as sudo
[00:20] <salamanderrake> yes, first time was a mistake
[00:20] <zomaar_> but what is output the second time
[00:21] <salamanderrake> its part of the log
[00:21] <zomaar_> Oh
[00:21] <salamanderrake> give me a sec
[00:21] <salamanderrake> I updated the gist
[00:22] <zomaar_> But you can't remove the 5 version?
[00:22] <salamanderrake> Its not installed
[00:22] <salamanderrake> That is the one I tried to install
[00:23] <zomaar_> Did you run the apt remove command?
[00:23] <salamanderrake> hold on
[00:23] <salamanderrake> sudo apt-get remove python-lldb-4.0 lldb-4.0 lldb liblldb-4.0 liblldb-4.0-dev codelite lldb-5.0 liblldb-5.0-dev did it
[00:23] <zomaar_> no no no\
[00:24] <zomaar_> the 5
[00:24] <zomaar_> oh ok
[00:24] <salamanderrake> Ok, working now
[00:24] <zomaar_> right
[00:24] <zomaar_> good
[00:24] <salamanderrake> lldb-5.0 is installed.
[00:25] <zomaar_> when you install and it fails, it leaves the package in an unconfigured state
[00:25] <zomaar_> but it is still installed
[00:25] <salamanderrake> yeah
[00:25] <zomaar_> or something of the kind
[00:25] <salamanderrake> thanks for pointing that out.
[00:25] <zomaar_> or not installed but broken
[00:40] <Bobby> hello
[00:40] <Bobby> x
[00:40] <Bobby> hello
[00:41] <Bobby> anyone?
[00:42] <tatertots> Bobby: do you have a issue "technical" in nature?
[00:44] <abdou> hi
[00:45] <abdou> hello ,
[00:46] <gordonjcp> abdou: hello
[00:46] <abdou> where i can install gnome from
[00:47] <gordonjcp> !gnome
[00:47] <abdou> ty
[00:48] <mg55`> you prefer gnome over unity?
[00:48] <nacc> mg55`: not ontopic for this channel
[00:48] <nacc> k
[00:48] <abdou> hmm
[00:48] <nacc> sorry, above 'k' was stray, sorry
[00:49] <nacc> abdou: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[00:49] <abdou> 16.04
[00:49] <nacc> abdou: you cann install the gnome-desktop package, i believe
[00:49] <abdou> should i download it first
[00:49] <nacc> abdou: download wht?
[00:50] <abdou> gnome
[00:50] <abdou> or
[00:50] <nacc> abdou: i'm not sure i undrestand
[00:50] <nacc> abdou: if you are already on 16.04, then you can install the metapackage i just said
[00:50] <nacc> abdou: if you are going to reinstall, then you can install the ubuntu gnome iso, if you wannt
[00:50] <abdou> yeah
[00:51] <abdou> but how i can do that.. im new with ubuntu
[00:51] <nacc> abdou: how can you do what? i gave you two options.
[00:52] <abdou> how can i install the gnome desktop pakage
[00:52] <nacc> abdou: open a terminal; `sudo apt update; sudo apt install gnome-desktop`
[00:53] <nacc> abdou: i thik you could also search for the same from any of the GUI tools
[00:53] <nacc> abdou: although if you are that unfamiliar with ubuntu, i would suggest you first get used to ubuntu then do that kinnd of tweaking/installation
[00:53] <abdou> hmm oky thanks :)
[00:55] <dm_comp> I'm bit confused how Ubuntu handles firewall. So iptables is installed but I get Failed to start iptables.servcie. What gives?
[00:56] <dm_comp> also ufw status Status: inactive
[00:56] <dm_comp> ufw: Active: active (exited)
[00:57] <oerheks> !ufw
[00:57] <oerheks> it is active, without any rules, standard
[00:57] <redphone> are the updated isos for 17.10 out?
[00:58] <oerheks> redphone, not yet, i just checked, but they are released today, 11th
[01:02] <dm_comp> oerheks: I've disabled and stopped ufw. Why can't I start iptables. I want to manage my firewall using iptables.
[01:02] <dm_comp> using systemctl
[01:03] <oerheks> dm_comp, remove ufw completely first perhaps? sudo apt-get purge ufw
[01:04] <dm_comp> okay, let me try that
[01:10] <redphone> oerheks, it's well past midnight in some areas of europe already, just curious since i need to install a clean image on a new thinkpad
[01:11] <adman120> anyone know if it is possible to export a fuse mount over nfs
[01:13] <oerheks> redphone, nothing we can do to speed it up.
[01:14] <jeffmr> Does anyone know how to bring up the transparent shortcut menu that appears when you boot ubuntu unity for the first time?
[01:14] <oerheks> jeffmr, hold the windows key
[01:15] <jeffmr> I don't have one.  Just an alt and ctrl.
[01:20] <xs2> can I restore entire default /usr/share/icons/mimes/*?
[01:20] <redphone> oerheks, where are the images being built? in case i can grab a build farm iso or such
[01:24] <oerheks> redphone, i don't know that, or if that is even possible, just be patient
[01:24] <oerheks> jeffmr, i am looking around, you have an Apple keyboard?
[01:25] <jeffmr> Its an asus chrome keyboard so just like a chrome keyboard.
[01:25] <jeffmr> Probably not a key on here for it.  I think.
[01:25] <jeffmr> Can it be invoked at the command line?
[01:29] <pauljw> jeffmr, maybe you can go into settings > keyboard > shortcuts(?) and see if it's assigned to the superkey and edit it so it is assigned to an unused key combo on your keyboard?
[01:29] <jeffmr> Sure. Thanks.  I'll try that.
[01:29] <pauljw> just a guess...
[01:30] <oerheks> i didn't find it there, maybe overlooked?
[01:31] <jeffmr> I don't see it there.
[01:31] <jeffmr> What is that thing called?  Do you know?
[01:32] <oerheks> i see it in unity-tweak-tool, [unity] > [switcher]
[01:33] <oerheks> !info unity-tweak-tool
[01:33] <oerheks> maybe you can remap it to ALT+r
[01:34] <grog> gday, ive got a nanoPi neo running their ubuntucore 16.04 image, i'd like PPS support and am wondering if someone could point me to the relevant kernel/module re/building documentation... i need PPS_CLIENT_LDISC (but seems to be dcd only and i'd like cts) and/or PPS_CLIENT_GPIO (to use any pin)
[01:34] <jeffmr> Sure.  I have to find it.
[01:36] <jeffmr> oerheks, so is it called the switcher?
[01:38] <jeffmr> I don't see it in mine.
[01:38] <oerheks> 1st row unity, switcher
[01:39] <oerheks> * you have to install the tweak-tool first
[01:39] <jeffmr> No, I have switcher but its just the gesture to switch between programs.
[01:39] <jeffmr> I did.
[01:39] <jeffmr> alt tab
[01:40] <oerheks> jeffmr, err .. last item, additional ( sorry)
[01:40] <oerheks> ' show the launcher '
[01:40] <jeffmr> Oh, I see.
[01:40] <jeffmr> Ok.
[01:41] <pauljw> don't think that's it, oerheks it called display shortcuts and it seems to be a enabled/disabled function.
[01:42] <snadge> when building a debian package.. how does one apply the patches in the debian/patches directory.. without actually building the package
[01:42] <pauljw> in the additional tab is where you find the ck box.
[01:43] <jeffmr> It worked.
[01:43] <jeffmr> alt r brings it up.  Have to continue holding it down.
[01:43] <pauljw> ah, great!
[01:44] <makpafis3> hiiii
[01:44] <makpafis3> ummm
[01:44] <jeffmr> actually, it doesn't now for some reason.
[01:45] <makpafis3> wut
[01:45] <makpafis3> what do u mean
[01:45] <explodes> So on this fresh install of 17.10, my wifi drivers are missing.
[01:45] <oerheks> jeffmr, maybe you need to logou/login to let it take effect?
[01:45] <explodes> Trying to install the package, dkms is missing.
[01:45] <jeffmr> Could be.
[01:46] <jeffmr> I'll be back.
[01:46] <makpafis3> oh
[01:46] <explodes> Trying to install dkms build-essentials is missing.
[01:46] <explodes> WTF
[01:46] <explodes> Did I download the wrong version of 17.10 from the official site?
[01:46] <explodes> I can't connect to the internet on that computer :|
[01:47] <oerheks> explodes, you need to install build-essentials first, maybe by the !offline method ?
[01:47] <oerheks> !offline
[01:47] <makpafis3> ????????????????????????
[01:48] <makpafis3> ok bye
[01:48] <explodes> oerheks: so on osx I install Synaptic?
[01:48] <explodes> !APTonCD
[01:49] <explodes> uhhh
[01:49] <oerheks> those tools are not for osx
[01:50] <oerheks> you need to do that manually, https://askubuntu.com/questions/778743/how-to-download-packages-on-mac-os-x-to-install-to-ubuntu-16-04
[01:52] <explodes> can someone on ubuntu paste the results of: apt-get --print-uris --yes install dkms | grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2
[01:52] <explodes> this will give me a list i can wget on my connected computer
[01:52] <explodes> please. and thank you
[01:54] <explodes> if i try to manually download each dep of build-essentials I'm going to be here all day
[01:54] <explodes> all week, really
[01:54] <oerheks> i am on 17.04 ( still) http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dkms/dkms_2.3-3ubuntu1.2_all.deb
[01:55] <explodes> dkms has unmet dependencies thanks
[01:55] <explodes> those deps are not included in the live cd
[01:55] <oerheks> i think it is the one you want, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dkms/?C=M;O=D
[01:56] <TheNH813> DKMS based driver install? The deps are likely build-essential and linux-headers.
[01:56] <explodes> oerheks: dpks -i live_cd/pool/main/d/dkms*.deb says its missing ^
[01:56] <explodes> oerheks: ^
[01:57] <TheNH813> I'd download them off archive.ubuntu.com if you're having issues with the disk. Or download part one of a full installation disk (if they still have those).
[01:58] <oerheks> TheNH813, yeah, doing this on osx, never done that before
[02:02] <adman120> hey is it possible to export a fuse mount over nfs?
[02:03] <casey_> Hey guys. I need a teeny bit of help. My computer outputs these error messages while booting up: https://imgur.com/u38YldJ
[02:04] <casey_> Sometimes the computer will boot up okay, but other times the computer will reboot several times before I can log in.
[02:05] <mellow> when I startup  my laptop there's always a page writes error:no symbol table. After few seconds it will startup normally.so why?
[02:11] <adman120> hey is it possible to export a fuse mount over nfs?
[02:23] <trincyolo> Hi, I closed my Ubuntu LTS laptop last night and the login screen wouldn't load this morning. Tried to reboot, but no luck. I chose advanced options on boot and tried booting from another kernel and now I' m on a frozen screen "loading linux 4.13.0.25 generic"
[02:23] <trincyolo> what do I do?
[02:24] <jer> so i'm planning on dual booting this machine with windows; i've installed ubuntu into sda (using lvm with an encrypted filesystem); the windows drive is presently sdb... it's been a decade or so since i installed windows, does it still require to be the first hard drive in the system if anyone knows, and if so, is there an easy way i can move ubuntu's drive w/o screwing up my ability to boot?
[02:26] <Ben64> jer: it doesn't need to be the first hard drive, grub can boot windows for you
[02:27] <trincyolo> I just tried to do a recovery mode and the last line of the output reads: "[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount from root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[02:27] <trincyolo> that sounds pretty pad
[02:27] <trincyolo> bad*
[02:28] <jer> Ben64, thank you; then windows will touch the mbr on the drive it's being installed on and leave grub alone, right?
[02:28] <jer> apologies for the stupid and borderline off topic question
[02:28] <Ben64> jer: oh windows isn't installed yet?
[02:28] <jer> nope
[02:28] <jer> installing windows *after* ubuntu onto a different drive
[02:28] <Ben64> i would unplug the linux drive just to make sure it doesn't break it
[02:29] <jer> good call
[02:29] <Ben64> then you'd have to update grub to get it to find windows
[02:29] <trincyolo> also getting: VFS: cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6
[02:30] <trincyolo> So basically does this mean that my HD is dead?
[02:30] <jer> Ben64, alright that doesn't sound too difficult, thank you
[02:32] <cjs226> Anyone know how often Canonical security's "rounds" are?  Per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown?_ga=2.131468365.370049590.1515279335-1085782496.1515279335 "This initial round will address CVE-2017-5754 (aka Meltdown or Variant 3) for x86_64. We will address CVE-2017-5715 and CVE-2017-5753 (aka Spectre or Variant 1 & 2) in a subsequent round. We will also address additional architectures in subsequent rounds."
[02:43] <frostschutz> cjs226, fixes depend on upstream too, so doing more rounds doesn't really help, the dust has yet to settle ;)
[02:44] <cjs226> frostschutz, so we don't know when the spectre fix will be ready then, right?  i'm just trying to determine if i should push forward patching my environment or if i should wait a day or so
[02:45] <oerheks> cjs226, patched kernels are out, AFAIK
[02:46] <oerheks> !kpti
[02:46] <frostschutz> cjs226, if you're not a high risk target (like - you host vm or give shells to random people on the internet) - you should be fine with regular updates as it were and not worry too much about it (compared to people who are still running windows 95)
[02:47] <cjs226> oerheks, from the link i provided above, it doesn't appear the fixes are ready for spectre yet
[02:47] <cjs226> frostschutz, thx.
[03:03] <AxiomaUY> Good night everyone, i'm a not expert user of linux | Ubuntu
[03:03] <AxiomaUY> i'm dealing with some hdd issue, i'm getting a message of not enuff space in the hdd, and i can't mount one of my other hdd to expand my sistem root linux partition, someone can help me?
[03:05] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: Pastebin ' df -h ; df -i ' . see where this space is consumed . Then see what can be done .
[03:05] <Vysty> Yo! Anyone have much experience with kdenlive in here?
[03:05] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om ok let me pastebin it
[03:08] <AxiomaUY> here Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/uH4zZ9KK
[03:14] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om some time, i try some tutorial from YouTube...this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2dBY_7E1R8&t=288s
[03:14] <AxiomaUY> but i'm block in some point, some commands don't get results
[03:15] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: try ' sudo apt autoremove ' .
[03:15] <thehubbi> AxiomaUY, well, you do only have around 10 GB of space for your root partition, I don't think that's enough especially if your /home is also in the same partition
[03:15] <AxiomaUY> let me see
[03:18] <KingParrot> Anyone here ever use python3-tk?
[03:19] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om i got 0 packages updated, 0 packages news and  308 packages not updated, but sudo apt autoremove is like a Cleaning command...
[03:19] <BenderRodriguez> KingParrot: nope
[03:19] <BenderRodriguez> and no one will
[03:19] <BenderRodriguez> unless you ask your question
[03:20] <AxiomaUY> thehubbi, in the fisrt time i only need one partition...but new i need more space...
[03:20] <AxiomaUY> shit happens jajaja
[03:20] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: Is true . removing obsolete packages - old kernels inclided . Making progress ?
[03:21] <Bashing-om> included*
[03:21] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om no progress at all
[03:21] <coffeeguy> Anyone have any problems after the reboot update?
[03:21] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om may be you know some hard way for mount the hdd
[03:21] <coffeeguy> trying to figure out why my system locks up
[03:23] <AxiomaUY> i have one partition reconiced but linux can't mount it...if we can mount thats partition, may be i can use Gparted o some tool for resize my root partition with free space i have got in the other partition thats i cant mount...
[03:23] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: Lost the context, what has "some hard way for mount the hdd" got to do with "out of disk space" ?
[03:27] <KingParrot> Well Axioma what is it you are trying to mount a partion or a device?
[03:27] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om when i talk about "the hard way" i mean, some process i can do with live usb image, apply some comands for reconice all partitions and all hdd and mount it, use Gparted o some tool and resize the root partition, after that run the system in the normal way
[03:28] <AxiomaUY> KingParrot i'm trying to maunt a hole device, with only one partition
[03:29] <glassresistor> for my servers on the cloud do i need to restart after doing my security updates related to spectre
[03:29] <AxiomaUY> no hole...i mean full devie hdd
[03:29] <AxiomaUY> jajaja
[03:29] <AxiomaUY> sorry
[03:29] <KingParrot> That is instresting I have not had much exsperance tampering with such things.
[03:29] <als1> Akame, are you here?
[03:29] <KingParrot> I do understand the linux file system.
[03:30] <glassresistor> also is trusty patched yet?
[03:30] <KingParrot> I currently have 5 Distros on this HD all working fine.  Gparted is awusum.
[03:30] <AxiomaUY> yes i know KingParrot
[03:31] <AxiomaUY> i use Gparted in every installation i make...buy
[03:31] <AxiomaUY> but*
[03:32] <AxiomaUY> this one, the last...I did not anticipate that I would need more space than I assigned when I installed
[03:32] <KingParrot> I mostly use it to wipe the drive but when setting up instalation I just use what is availble with that distro
[03:33] <AxiomaUY> ¬_¬ wike is my last resourse...
[03:33] <AxiomaUY> wipe*
[03:33] <AxiomaUY> i have some apps and configurations thats i don't want to do again
[03:33] <AxiomaUY> jajaja
[03:34] <KingParrot> I recently distoryed ubuntuMATE.
[03:34] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: Agreed that 9,8G is way to small of a partition for an operating system . Show us ' sudo fdisk -lu ' in a pastebin .
[03:34] <KingParrot> It was very intresting first time I ever killed a Linux distro
[03:34] <AxiomaUY> for me wipe now is not an option
[03:35] <AxiomaUY> sure Bashing-on
[03:35] <AxiomaUY> sure Bashing-om
[03:35] <KingParrot> seems like most Linux distro sorta need around 12 GB min.
[03:35] <KingParrot> Depends on what a person is going to do with it though.
[03:35] <Henstepl> having trouble using my VPN I just bought in 17.10
[03:35] <Bashing-om> KingParrot: I see often 30 gigs .
[03:36] <AxiomaUY> here is https://pastebin.com/UL846Ypp
[03:36] <KingParrot> I have deliebritly made 2 distroes at 45 GB each for testing out VirtualBox
[03:36] <AxiomaUY> mmm i'm dealing with 10 Gigs only for FontEnd develop...
[03:37] <AxiomaUY> no common user files...
[03:37] <AxiomaUY> like images or music
[03:39] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: Think'n .. what is "  WinRE NTFS oculto " ? .. A recovery partition that you can copy off and then re-use that partition ?
[03:39] <Henstepl> how do I do a VPN in 17.10 via GUI
[03:40] <AxiomaUY> let me see Bashing-om
[03:40] <AxiomaUY> jaja USB DataTraveler conected
[03:40] <AxiomaUY> jajaja my bad
[03:41] <Henstepl> i feel like if i do VPN from GUI i just have to have a terminal open at all times and that bothers me
[03:41] <AxiomaUY> with some virus or malware or some thing like...
[03:41] <KingParrot> I have one distro currently installed on 13 GB
[03:42] <AxiomaUY> KingParrot are you the KingOfDistros maybe? jajaja
[03:42] <KingParrot> King of Distros?
[03:43] <KingParrot> I perform test.
[03:43] <AxiomaUY> its a joke
[03:43] <KingParrot> I have over 25 Distros that had some sort of issue that I could not use on this Lap top.
[03:44] <KingParrot> What good is a Distro if it will not install or will not work.
[03:44] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om "450M WinRE NTFS oculto" is not a USB conected...may be is some MBR partition or something...
[03:45] <xw> 123
[03:45] <KingParrot> is he running it on a Raspbarry pie or something most use ext4 the root install.
[03:45] <AxiomaUY> KingParrot, i don't test distros, i use it and its all...
[03:45] <xw> hello
[03:45] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: That is a partiton - sda3 - Now if it is a recovery partition for windows . then it is possible to copy it off to DVD and use that partitipn to expand sda4 that holds the linux system .
[03:46] <xw> anyone else?
[03:46] <KingParrot> hello xw
[03:46] <AxiomaUY> ok Bashing-om but is only 450 Mibs
[03:47] <AxiomaUY> Disposit.  Inicio     Start     Final  Sectores   Size Id Tipo
[03:47] <xw> hao to change resolution?
[03:47] <KingParrot> I attempted to delete a distro out of multie boot set up and killed all the OS on that drive
[03:48] <KingParrot> and an other time I attempted to over wright one of the OS and that also killed all the distros on that drive.
[03:48] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: Ouch .. good point . Will also have to then mess with sda2 .. to get the room to expand . Oh boy . Will take someone experienced with Windows to guide further .
[03:48] <KingParrot> resulution on what?
[03:48] <xw> armbian
[03:49] <xw> h5 board
[03:49] <hc_> hello
[03:49] <KingParrot> I have not installed any Windows OS alone side a linux distro in a long time.
[03:49] <AxiomaUY> ok Bashing-om
[03:50] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: where do you want to get the free space from? /dev/sda2 100gb?
[03:50] <AxiomaUY> Bashing-om Thank you very much for your time and your suggestions, it was very helpful anyway
[03:51] <Bashing-om> AxiomaUY: In oefer to grow a partition, one has to have unallocated space adjacent to the partiotion to be grown . on your case that is resizing 2 NTFS partitions .
[03:51] <KingParrot> Anyone here ever use python3-tk?
[03:51] <AxiomaUY> EriC^^ i want to get more space in /dev/sda4
[03:52] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: from /dev/sda2?
[03:52] <Guest24289> hi everyone
[03:53] <AxiomaUY> from /dev/sdb2
[03:53] <Guest24289> do you copy
[03:53] <AxiomaUY> check my pastebin here https://pastebin.com/UL846Ypp
[03:53] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: /dev/sdb2  264192 976773119 976508928 465,7G Microsoft Storage Spaces
[03:53] <AxiomaUY> yep EriC^^
[03:54] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: you'll need to put it on a separate partition, like having a separate /home
[03:54] <xw> resize2fs /dev/sda2 5G
[03:54] <AxiomaUY> but I start to think that it will not be possible to achieve it
[03:55] <AxiomaUY> I do not know how to do that ... it is possible to do it with Gparted EriC^^
[03:55] <AxiomaUY> ?
[03:55] <KingParrot> python3-tk I have never used it
[03:55] <KingParrot> sda8
[03:56] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: yeah, first you need to shrink the filesystem and partition, then with the unallocated space create a ext4 partition and move your /home to it and edit fstab
[03:56] <EriC^^> !homepartitiong | AxiomaUY
[03:56] <EriC^^> !homepartition | AxiomaUY
[03:56] <EriC^^> !home | AxiomaUY
[03:57] <xw> how to change resolution on armbian h5 board?
[03:57] <AxiomaUY> thanks EriC^^ and ubottu
[03:57] <KingParrot> Looks like some crafty stuff EriC
[03:57] <EriC^^> np
[03:58] <xw> - - ?
[03:59] <KingParrot> It think it would be cool to have the skill to delete sda6 with out messing up the exstended partoin and or killing any of the other OS on the drive.
[03:59] <AxiomaUY> wow move the home directory looks like a database migration...sound dangerous...
[04:00] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: it's incredibly simple
[04:00] <AxiomaUY> really?
[04:00] <KingParrot> It is dangours but mostly if u have vital data on it.
[04:00] <EriC^^> you just move the files, and tell fstab to mount that partition under /home (using its uuid)
[04:01] <KingParrot> but if you have some distros ready for a live boot off a usb to install it's not a big deal.
[04:01] <AxiomaUY> i have teamviewer if you want to do it for me...
[04:02] <KingParrot> Just make sure u have your vital data on something other then the PC u are working on.
[04:02] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: i'll guide you through it
[04:02] <AxiomaUY> ok
[04:02] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: did you shrink the /dev/sdb2 yet?
[04:02] <AxiomaUY> nop
[04:02] <AxiomaUY> how i do it...
[04:02] <EriC^^> ok, open gparted and shrink it from there
[04:03] <AxiomaUY> ok
[04:05] <AxiomaUY> with de GUI or with the terminal?
[04:05] <EriC^^> gparted is a gui program
[04:06] <EriC^^> not sure what you mean
[04:06] <AxiomaUY> let me show you
[04:08] <mbff> Hello! I am trying to configure my interfaces file to get pfsense working inside KVM. Currently my /etc/network/interfaces file looks like this: https://gist.github.com/marshallford/cbf917a9cf8cbd8d23c641b04c193569 What gives? my WAN NIC passes though but the LAN isn't working at all
[04:08] <AxiomaUY> EriC^^ https://drive.google.com/file/d/11PxbfVUhhAJwoc4H5s2QrWthm_9EkkAd/view?usp=sharing
[04:08] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: yeah, that's it
[04:08] <mbff> To follow up my question: The Ubuntu Host OS should have the ip 10.0.0.3 and allow enp8s0 (LAN NIC) to hook up to a switch or access point.
[04:09] <AxiomaUY> ok, but i cant run it EriC^^
[04:09] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: are you using ubuntu unity?
[04:09] <AxiomaUY> Ubuntu 16.04
[04:10] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: open the dash and type gparted
[04:10] <AxiomaUY> and unity...
[04:10] <AxiomaUY> Show nothing
[04:11] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try typing 'gksu gparted' in a terminal
[04:12] <AxiomaUY> look https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QNuZzpMd7p-OXUMMZj1WpFd-dF01tqaF/view?usp=sharing
[04:12] <AxiomaUY> let me try
[04:12] <AxiomaUY> axiomaabsurdo@axiomaabsurdo-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo su
[04:12] <AxiomaUY> root@axiomaabsurdo-System-Product-Name:/home/axiomaabsurdo# gksu gparted
[04:12] <AxiomaUY> root@axiomaabsurdo-System-Product-Name:/home/axiomaabsurdo#
[04:13] <KingParrot> Have you ever used Mageia 4.1?
[04:13] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try just 'gparted'
[04:14] <AxiomaUY> says not installed...
[04:15] <KingParrot> LXTerminal?
[04:15] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try 'apt-get install gparted'
[04:15] <Len> any idea how can I skip password prompt when installing mysql-server on ubuntu server 16.04?
[04:16] <AxiomaUY> ok i try
[04:17] <AxiomaUY> says i have it i my resent version...
[04:17] <Len> nvm.. found answer :-)
[04:17] <AxiomaUY> matrix glich...
[04:18] <AxiomaUY> gparted ya está en su versión más reciente (0.25.0-1). means... gparted is currently installed in your most resent version
[04:18] <AxiomaUY> i have installed linux in Spanish
[04:18] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try 'ls -l /usr/sbin/gparted'
[04:19] <AxiomaUY> the file or directory not exist
[04:20] <KingParrot> I have  gparted 0.25.0 and also the one binanary packaged needed for it to work on file.
[04:21] <AxiomaUY> it's very weird ... I have a disk utility, but it allows me to see details not apply modifications
[04:21] <KingParrot> So even if I have not any access to any internet depending on the Distro I can still install Gparted.
[04:21] <KingParrot> I should track down a rpm of Gparted also.
[04:21] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: maybe the filesystem is mounted read-only
[04:22] <KingParrot> and also all the nessasary binary packages for it to run..
[04:22] <AxiomaUY> EriC^^ look https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zirTUcEWsUIkqrc1r4ZxCpmbkair7r28/view?usp=sharing
[04:22] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try 'apt-get install --reinstall gparted'
[04:23] <AxiomaUY> done
[04:24] <AxiomaUY> root@axiomaabsurdo-System-Product-Name:/home/axiomaabsurdo# gparted
[04:24] <AxiomaUY> root@axiomaabsurdo-System-Product-Name:/home/axiomaabsurdo#
[04:24] <AxiomaUY> gparted
[04:25] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: did it say it installed the files?
[04:25] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try 'ls -l /usr/sbin/gparted' again
[04:27] <AxiomaUY> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6875 feb  2  2016 /usr/sbin/gparted
[04:28] <AxiomaUY> __0xbadc0de__/usr/sbin/gpartedbin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:28] <AxiomaUY> erase the __0xbadc0de__ of the line
[04:28] <adman120> hey anyone here good with fuse?
[04:28] <Ben64> adman120: ask your question to find out
[04:29] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: was that /usr/sbin/gparted ? or /usr/sbin/gpartedbin?
[04:29] <EriC^^> what you ran
[04:29] <adman120> is it possible to export a fuse mount over nfs4?
[04:29] <KingParrot> CentOS
[04:30] <KingParrot> Has anyone here made a Desktop from scrach?
[04:30] <AxiomaUY> i use the comand ls -l /usr/sbin/gparted' again and i get -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6875 feb  2  2016 /usr/sbin/gparted
[04:31] <KingParrot> sudo chmod [*]+x
[04:32] <AxiomaUY> inside of [*] whats i write???
[04:32] <stp1> It already has execute. shouldn't need it.
[04:32] <KingParrot> sudo chmod [*]+RH
[04:32] <KingParrot> oh then u need this one.
[04:33] <KingParrot> sudo chmod [*^*]+w
[04:33] <fishcooker> if i plug the charger i can suspend but if i unplugged the charger the suspend will ended in 2-3 seconds
[04:34] <KingParrot> on turn it down to Hz3.3
[04:34] <KingParrot> and on the other dial turn it up to Mhz 29.00
[04:35] <KingParrot> but don't for get to add more oil to the deep fryer
[04:36] <adman120> hey so im using containers and wanted to know if it was possible just to mount a folder from one to a folder of another
[04:36] <adman120> not using nfs
[04:36] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try typing just 'gparted' in a terminal now
[04:36] <KingParrot> NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux
[04:37] <AxiomaUY> gparted
[04:37] <AxiomaUY> Root privileges are required for running gparted.
[04:37] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: run sudo -i
[04:37] <EriC^^> then gparted
[04:38] <AxiomaUY> root@axiomaabsurdo-System-Product-Name:/home/axiomaabsurdo# gparted
[04:38] <KingParrot> yes Gparted is very deadly tool so it is best they have it as a root user access only
[04:38] <AxiomaUY> root@axiomaabsurdo-System-Product-Name:/home/axiomaabsurdo#
[04:38] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try from that prompt '/usr/sbin/gparted'
[04:38] <KingParrot> I have Gparted on a USB so I never need root so I can tweek or kill any pc I plug that usb into.
[04:39] <EriC^^> something's wrong with that root shell
[04:46] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: try sudo apt-get install gksu
[04:47] <EriC^^> then 'gksu gparted' from the normal shell not root one
[04:47] <AxiomaUY> done
[04:47] <EriC^^> did it open?
[04:47] <AxiomaUY> nope
[04:48] <EriC^^> what'd it say?
[04:48] <AxiomaUY> only show me a windows for write my admins pws
[04:48] <AxiomaUY> and nothing happens
[04:49] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: did you type your password
[04:49] <EriC^^> i guess yes?
[04:50] <AxiomaUY> yep
[04:50] <AxiomaUY> and nothing happens
[04:50] <AxiomaUY> jaja
[04:51] <EriC^^> AxiomaUY: ok, try sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean
[04:51] <EriC^^> maybe something fishy is going on cause of the lack of space or something
[04:52] <EriC^^> that should give few free space to work with
[04:52] <EriC^^> try 'df -h /'  after that and see if it's better than 5% now
[04:55] <AxiomaUY> lets see
[04:58] <Bromskloss> What drive does Ubuntu install on in the standard installation procedure? Do I get to choose, or even see, that without doing manual partitioning?
[05:00] <KingParrot> sda1 sda2 and sda3 for most Distros are the main file mounts
[05:01] <EriC^^> Bromskloss: no you don't you have to choose manual partitioning i believe
[05:01] <KingParrot> Brom are u doing a clean install?
[05:01] <Bromskloss> KingParrot, EriC^^: I
[05:01] <KingParrot> I use manual everytime
[05:02] <KingParrot> I do custum installation each and every time I do a distro install.
[05:02] <Bromskloss> KingParrot, EriC^^: I'm installing onto an SD card (and want to make sure I don't overwrite any other drive). All I want to choose is the drive, but otherwise let Ubuntu make its default choices.
[05:02] <KingParrot> many people only put one distro on a HD but I very seldom do.
[05:03] <Ben64> Bromskloss: unplug every other drive to make sure
[05:03] <KingParrot> if u can disonconect all other drives this is a sure fire way to ensure you don't tamper with them.
[05:03] <Bromskloss> Ben64: It's a borrowed laptop, I'm afraid. I can't mess with it.
[05:03] <KingParrot> yes I just said what Ben said
[05:04] <KingParrot> Disconect is the safest sure fire way to make sure you dn't mess up other drives or devices.
[05:05] <KingParrot> I did a install once long ago to a PC and for gotten to unplug the external hard drive.
[05:05] <Bromskloss> KingParrot: OK. I was hoping that there would be a drop-down list of drives that I got to choose from during the installation.
[05:05] <Ben64> there is
[05:05] <Bromskloss> Ben64: Without doing manual partitioning?
[05:05] <KingParrot> I wiped the entire external hard drive because I was stupid and for gotten to unplug it.
[05:05] <Ben64> Bromskloss: just do manual partitioning, you'll have better results
[05:06] <KingParrot> Ben to do custum installations I think u need a tool like Gparted for drive selection.
[05:06] <KingParrot> yes Ben is right once again.
[05:06] <Ben64> the live usb comes with everything necessary
[05:07] <Bromskloss> Ben64: All right. I'll do it. I have 16 GB on the SD card and 8 GB memory in the computer. I'm guessing that I shouldn't bother with a swap partition or a swap file, right?
[05:07] <KingParrot> if u select manual then you can directly see what you are installing to what partion on what drive.
[05:07] <Ben64> Bromskloss: i wouldn't for an sd card, but then again i wouldn't install ubuntu on sd card anyway
[05:08] <KingParrot> do about 8 GB of swap if u can.
[05:08] <KingParrot> It is best to have swap on the same drive as your ext4 root install.
[05:08] <KingParrot> unless someone knows something I don't know.
[05:10] <KingParrot> Brom I do not now much about setting up on that type of device.
[05:10] <KingParrot> is it a Ipad or a phone?
[05:11] <KingParrot> If someone here has installed on a Ipad or a Phone that has successfuly installed any linux on it maybe they could be more informative.
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> !phone | KingParrot
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> !iphone | KingParrot
[05:13] <Bromskloss> Ben64: Can I get full-disk encryption also when doing the partitioning manually?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: you want ubuntu on your phone?
[05:14] <Ben64> Bromskloss: idk, i never use encryption because it's pointless
[05:14] <Bromskloss> Ben64: Oh, why is it pointless?
[05:15] <Ben64> because either nobody cares about your data, or they do and will bash you with a wrench until they get it
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> Bromskloss: i also agree with Ben64 if you have sensitive data, store it external and burry in the ground somewhere, not connected to the net
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: there is now #ubports for phones, but they havent added iphones yet
[05:17] <Bromskloss> Ben64, lotuspsychje: What I have in mind is if the computer gets stolen or I discard the drive. It feels good not to have to worry that any of my stuff will be readable on it.
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> Bromskloss: i think thats what Ben64 just meant, they will wrench your data until they get it, even encrypted
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> Bromskloss: if you dont like someone getting your data afterwards, perhaps a script to zero your drive full?
[05:19] <KingParrot> well I can tell you Brom many linux distros u can set up a encripted home folder and from my paying around I have never busted into one yet.
[05:19] <Hg202> you don't have to bury hard drives. you just have to shoot them a few times. haven't you seen any hollywood action stuff ever? :D
[05:20] <KingParrot> Linux in many ways is very secure
[05:20] <Bromskloss> lotuspsychje: If they are serious about getting to me, yes, but for all other cases, such as if someone steals my computer and casually looks through it, it helps.
[05:20] <Hg202> ..more realistically, there are magnets strong enough to wipe them they're just really expensive
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> were getting a bit offtopic here, lets go #ubuntu-discuss ?
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> its a nice channel
[05:20] <KingParrot> oh just use Gpared on a HD just formant it a few times useing diffrent types of formats and it will be dead.
[05:21] <Bromskloss> Anyway, I settled for the home-directory encryption that the installation procedure nevertheless offered.
[05:21] <KingParrot> if you formate a entire drive in ext4 it takes takes longer to formate a drive like that
[05:22] <KingParrot> Brom make sure to set up an other user account
[05:23] <KingParrot> If u do online stuff never do it logged into as a sudo account.
[05:24] <KingParrot> I very seldom go online with a sudo account.
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: keep it ontopic please
[05:24] <KingParrot> most the time in my sudo accounts I don't even have them set up to go online
[05:26] <KingParrot> what is the current topic?
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !support | KingParrot
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: only support question on ubuntu here mate
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss to other chat
[05:27] <KingParrot> Anyone here ever install Xfce on a unbuntu server?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> we dont do polls neither KingParrot
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: ask an actual issue
[05:29] <KingParrot> Is it possible to run a web brower such as firefox on a unbuntu server?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: yes
[05:30] <KingParrot> I could be wrong but I think a person needs some form of GUI like a desktop emvierment do they not?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: correct
[05:32] <KingParrot> I installed firefox on ubuntu 16.04 server but because I have not way to cut and paste I did not bother to take note of all the binary packages it called for.
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: you need to install a GUI desktop enviroment to run things graphicly
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> !info openbox | KingParrot example
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> !encrypt | Bromskloss
[05:35] <KingParrot> well I was looking into the Open box but I want something smaller.
[05:35] <KingParrot> I need to learn how to make a mini desktop GUI
[05:36] <KingParrot> I should try to install a Openbox to gain esperance
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: apt-cache search window manager
[05:52] <bodom> Hi there! I have installed rocketchat-server snap and it does not run... what now? "server.rocketchat-server[15421]: Mongo is not available, can't start"
[05:58] <KingParrot> idk what u can do about that
[05:59] <KingParrot> written in Haskell
[06:05] <hanabishi> hello everyone
[06:05] <KingParrot> hello
[06:05] <hanabishi> hi
[06:06] <hanabishi> what we should to do to day?
[06:06] <KingParrot> idk
[06:06] <KingParrot> I am testing something
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> !chat | hanabishi
[06:07] <Bromskloss> Ben64, lotuspsychje: Thanks for your help! The installation is complete. Ḯ'll try to reboot now.
[06:09] <hanabishi> !chat ??
[06:11] <hanabishi> ubottu : how can i register with my nickserv? and want next?
[06:11] <KingParrot> Hana test the bot
[06:11] <hanabishi> ??? this is test???
[06:11] <KingParrot> Hana ask the ubuntu bot about Manjaro
[06:12] <hanabishi> ubottu : what hemean about manjaro
[06:12] <KingParrot> or maybe ask about RedHat
[06:12] <hanabishi> ubottu : what about RedHat
[06:12] <hanabishi> ....
[06:12] <KingParrot> if u really want to be funny ask the Bot about Snow Leapord
[06:12] <alkisg> hanabishi: "ubottu" is a program that takes notes and shows them when we use !note
[06:13] <alkisg> lotuspsychje called it to tell you that this is a support channel
[06:13] <hanabishi> how?/
[06:13] <alkisg> So if you have an ubuntu question, ask it. If you want to learn about bots, go elsewhere.
[06:13] <KingParrot> the bot sounds like a spy
[06:13] <alkisg> KingParrot: the same goes for you too
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: you also, please keep it ontopic
[06:16] <hanabishi> okey, what ever, how can i register my mail
[06:16] <KingParrot> what mail?
[06:17] <alkisg> !register | hanabishi:
[06:17] <KingParrot> The NSA does not build topics for Ubuntu chat rooms.
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: please stop it, dont you understand offtopic?
[06:21] <KingParrot> Compiling For Multiple Architectures
[06:21] <KingParrot> 14.04 Ubuntu does not looke like snow leaperd.
[06:22] <alkisg> Maybe KingParrot is a chat bot that needs to be banned...
[06:23] <KingParrot> bioinic beaver
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: come to ubuntu-discuss
[06:24] <KingParrot> is it 18.04?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: type /j #ubuntu-discuss
[06:25] <michael2> lol is 18.04 LTS called "bionic beaver"?
[06:25] <KingParrot> sudo apt - get fluffy bunny
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> !ops | KingParrot does not understand offtopic
[06:27] <KingParrot> I dumped some happy GUI into the beavers water bowl and then he goten mad at me.
[06:27] <KingParrot> now the beaver barfed up a RedHat
[06:28] <KingParrot> I never seen a unity desktop on a Linux mint.
[06:31] <hanabishi> hello, me comeback again.for secound me just change host name??? it will made me into a problem
[06:31] <hanabishi> ??
[06:31] <KingParrot> maybe u set up irc on your own server hana
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> KingParrot: stop that
[06:32] <hanabishi> ????? why me should do like that
[06:32] <hanabishi> it danger????
[06:34] <KingParrot> it can be danger hana
[06:34] <KingParrot> mostly do data not so much if someone is going to steal your pet aguana
[06:35] <hanabishi> how?? KingParrot
[06:35] <mg55`> off topic
[06:35] <mg55`> get the ubuntu police
[06:36] <KingParrot> u can build a chat server on top  of ubuntu police hana but not ontop of an agauna that has a RedHat
[06:36] <KingParrot> only drunk people never see agaunas with Red hats on there head.
[06:37] <DalekSec> KingParrot: Hi.  Can you stop doing whatever it is you're doing?
[06:37] <KingParrot> the topic is ubuntu
[06:38] <hanabishi> whoa whoa.clam down everyone i don't knows what u said but it importal??/ rigth?
[06:38] <DalekSec> KingParrot: This is the Ubuntu support channel, for help with the Ubuntu operating system.  Nothing more.
[06:38] <hanabishi> ok everyone,how can i learn about live on this ubuntu channel??
[06:39] <KingParrot> They did not build the plate form on c++
[06:39] <hanabishi> because i'm a newbie
[06:57] <B105PH3RE> hey is there a pastbinit type program but for images?
[06:59] <alkisg> !paste
[06:59] <alkisg> B105PH3RE: not program, site
[06:59] <Weereew> looking for some chems... maybe some buffout or med-x can anyone help me?
[07:01] <B105PH3RE> alkisg: so there isn't a program like pastbinit but for images I guess then...
[07:01] <alkisg> B105PH3RE: afaik, no
[07:01] <B105PH3RE> thanx for the info alkisg
[07:01] <alkisg> B105PH3RE: you could file a bug report for pastebinit to support images... if you didn't leave :D
[07:11] <hateball> I was about to say... there are programs that do it, but I dont think any are in the repos
[07:27] <yorwos> wondering on meltdown and spectre bugs on intel cpus , will the hotfix in ubuntu be permanent or will we have the option to turn it off at times (eg.rendering or something) ?
[07:31] <alkisg> !kpti
[07:31] <alkisg> !nopti
[07:31] <alkisg> yorwos: the second one there ^
[07:31] <alkisg> A grub parameter
[07:37] <yorwos> looks like im upgrading to 4.13 ,using ub.studio 16.04
[07:53] <iNeedHealing> hey guys
[07:53] <iNeedHealing> I can't access port 7005 for some reason even though I allowed it in firewall
[07:53] <iNeedHealing> any idea why ??
[07:53] <iNeedHealing> it's a web server on port 7005
[07:54] <iNeedHealing> so I just done `sudo ufw allow 7005/tcp`
[07:54] <hateball> iNeedHealing: And you are trying to access this how?
[07:54] <iNeedHealing> `git push`
[07:55] <iNeedHealing> `git remote add origin http://myServer.tld:7005/repoName && git push origin master`
[07:56] <geirha> what does   nc -zv myServer.tld 7005   say?
[07:57] <Low-N-Slow> Yay irc install worked
[07:57] <iNeedHealing> takes a while
[07:57] <iNeedHealing> gratss Low
[07:57] <geirha> so it's not immediately dropped
[07:58] <iNeedHealing> it's still busy so no
[07:58] <iNeedHealing> it times out
[07:58] <Low-N-Slow> I put HexChat on my ubuntu VM, is that a pretty good client?
[07:59] <iNeedHealing> HexChat isn't updated much iirc
[07:59] <iNeedHealing> or was that xchat .. :/
[07:59] <iNeedHealing> I'm using a discord bot nowadays for my IRC so ..
[07:59] <Low-N-Slow> I think it was xchat before it became hexccccccccccccccccccccccccccchat,
[08:00] <Low-N-Slow> whoa
[08:00] <iNeedHealing> lol
[08:00] <iNeedHealing> yea hexchat's discontinued
[08:00] <iNeedHealing> according to wiki
[08:00] <Low-N-Slow> installing ubuntu updates too, looks like kbd interrupts are having some fun
[08:00] <iNeedHealing> kbd ?
[08:00] <Low-N-Slow> keyboard
[08:01] <iNeedHealing> oh
[08:01] <iNeedHealing> anyway, anyone got any idea why my connection to my server's port 7005 times out ?
[08:02] <iNeedHealing> nc: connect to myServer.tld port 7005 (tcp) failed: Connection timed out
[08:04] <iNeedHealing> I can connect to port 22 just fine
[08:05] <Low-N-Slow> sounds like a firewall blocking you
[08:05] <geirha> and the web server is listening on 0.0.0.0 or the right device?  sudo ss -nltp
[08:06] <Low-N-Slow> or software not listening on that port
[08:07] <iNeedHealing> doesn't say what it's listening on
[08:07] <geirha> just *:7005? then it's listening on all interfaces
[08:07] <iNeedHealing> I assume it's this
[08:07] <iNeedHealing> LISTEN      0      128                                        :::7005                                                   :::*
[08:07] <Low-N-Slow> ah ubuntu security updates completed... reboot required?  really?
[08:08] <geirha> Low-N-Slow: for kernel updates, yes
[08:08] <iNeedHealing> yes
[08:08] <iNeedHealing> probably updated kernel stuff
[08:17] <iNeedHealing> can no one help me ? :/
[08:17] <iNeedHealing> I can push fine from localhost or 127.0.0.1
[08:18] <mg55`> WHAT!
[08:19] <iNeedHealing> I'm trying to connect to an http server but the connection keeps timing out
[08:19] <iNeedHealing> I can use it locally fine and I've opened the port
[08:19] <mg55`> was luke skywalker a drunk?
[08:20] <iNeedHealing> uh
[08:20] <iNeedHealing> idk
[08:21] <siddy> want to test packet injection support of my wifi adapter without installing aircrack. any way out there?
[08:22] <TDO|Aquina> Hello! I saw linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-tools-generic with linux-meta (3.13.0.139.148) trusty; urgency=medium // * Bump ABI 3.13.0-139. Ubuntu wesite tells me https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.13.0-139.188 its KAISER / KPTI patches for Linux.
[08:22] <TDO|Aquina>  My question is the sage as stated in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1741609/comments/4
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> siddy: try the #aircrack channel
[08:28] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: what do you need help with "specifically"?
[08:28] <iNeedHealing> I can't connect to TCP port externally, it just times out
[08:29] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: are you chatting from the computer with linux right now? yes or no
[08:29] <iNeedHealing> from a computer with linux yes
[08:29] <iNeedHealing> not from the server
[08:29] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: in terminal> sudo apt install inxi pastebinit sosreport
[08:29] <TDO|Aquina> Ah I found an answer to the KAISER problem (https://askubuntu.com/questions/991874/how-to-disable-page-table-isolation-to-regain-performance-lost-due-to-intel-cpu). Thanks anyways! :-)
[08:29] <iNeedHealing> got it
[08:30] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: let me know when done...or wait until someone else feels sorry for you enough to extend a hand
[08:30] <iNeedHealing> I'm done
[08:30] <iNeedHealing> :P
[08:30] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: in terminal> inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[08:30] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: share url/link here
[08:30] <iNeedHealing> ok
[08:31] <iNeedHealing> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26364863/
[08:31] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: sudo sosreport
[08:32] <iNeedHealing> case id ?
[08:32] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: press enter
[08:32] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: let me know when done
[08:32] <iNeedHealing> I'll whisper you
[08:32] <geirha> iNeedHealing: aws ... so it's behind a NAT, right? have you made sure to forward the port?
[08:32] <auronandace> TDO|Aquina: i hope you realise why page table isolation was put in place
[08:33] <iNeedHealing> I'm sure I've forwarded the port
[08:33] <iNeedHealing> let me double check
[08:43] <genos> hi
[08:45] <iNeedHealing> geirha: yea it appears to be port forwarded
[08:46] <genos> i want to curl "website" > 1.txt and parse it for some info. but it has some stupid javascript thing so i cant find it. how do i go about the info? i can see it when i just use firefox btw
[08:46] <iNeedHealing> in the outbound/inbound rules
[08:47] <genos> anyone?:o
[08:48] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: your network adapter configuration isn't detected properly
[08:49] <iNeedHealing> would I be able to ssh in though ?
[08:49] <genos> please help
[08:49] <tatertots> it's amazons aws so i'd hope so
[08:50] <tatertots> else you'd have no way to administer it
[08:50] <iNeedHealing> yea I can ssh
[08:50] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: did you see the errors i sent you from it?
[08:50] <iNeedHealing> yea, that's because I use the wrong user no ?
[08:50] <iNeedHealing> I've only tried to access 7005 3 times
[08:52] <hanabishi> hello everyone, i want to knows about most of security everyone like and love it
[08:53] <hanabishi> 1-starttls,2-sst-tls
[08:55] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: https://gist.github.com/d2260aebe2d6292720d33e033e9b3311
[08:56] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: looks like you have a route to the 172.31.32.0 network
[08:56] <gracious1> join #palemoon
[08:56] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: so i believe you when you say you can ssh
[08:57] <iNeedHealing> I'm not using that IP, that's the internal IP
[08:57] <iNeedHealing> it's fine for now, I can just disable the server and let the others handle it's load
[08:57] <iNeedHealing> I need to eat
[08:57] <iNeedHealing> before they kill me
[08:57] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: that's the only IP you can use according to what i see
[08:58] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: i'll show you
[08:58] <TDO|Aquina> @<auronandace>: Yes, I do but we run on AMD and virtualized 64/32 bist sthus only one bug affeects us (Spectre 2) which there is currently no real patch for.
[08:58] <iNeedHealing> I use 54.154.123.20
[08:58] <iNeedHealing> which is the public ip
[08:58] <iNeedHealing> brb tho, 10 min
[08:59] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: http://termbin.com/hu5f
[09:04] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: no collisions or major loss of packets http://termbin.com/1fes
[09:04] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: so you just want to get to a specific port#
[09:04] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: its probably blocked ...standby
[09:06] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: no you did good covering your bases in that regard......http://termbin.com/4im4
[09:06] <tatertots> iNeedHealing: you want #7005 correct??
[09:07] <tatertots> i guess you left
[09:12] <iNeedHealing> tatertots: yes
[09:12] <tatertots> oh you made it back
[09:12] <tatertots> well so i figured out your woes
[09:12] <iNeedHealing> yea sorry my mouth was on first
[09:13] <tatertots> did you have a chance to view the links i shared yet?
[09:13] <iNeedHealing> fire *
[09:13] <iNeedHealing> yea
[09:13] <tatertots> well you opened firewall for communication on #7005 tcp for ipv4 and ipv6 my friend..and thats good news
[09:14] <andywork> what kernel is supposed to be on 16.04 on an updated system?
[09:14] <tatertots> so we can safely toss that aside
[09:14] <iNeedHealing> ok, thans
[09:14] <iNeedHealing> I'll contact amazon then
[09:14] <iNeedHealing> I have forwarded it too
[09:15] <tatertots> i do notice nothing is "listening" on 7005
[09:15] <iNeedHealing> yea I stopped the service
[09:15] <tatertots> and that might be a system "admin" issue
[09:15] <tatertots> and i'm sure amazon engineers will point that out fairly quickly
[09:16] <iNeedHealing> I stopped the service before I ran the sos command
[09:16] <tatertots> oh okay...i accept your "excuse" ...nod / wink
[09:17] <iNeedHealing> I can run the command while it's started if you want me to but I sighup'd it so I don't have to open another ssh session
[09:17] <tatertots> no its fine i believe you
[09:17] <iNeedHealing> ok
[09:18] <tatertots> just didn't want you to spend $ to speak with amazon engineers and the level 1 engineer laugh at you
[09:18] <iNeedHealing> well I doubt they'd do that
[09:19] <tatertots> phones have a "mute" button...and they do..trust me
[09:19] <iNeedHealing> I won't contact them through support or whatever
[09:19] <iNeedHealing> I can go directly to a level 3 professional
[09:20] <tatertots> sweet
[09:21] <iNeedHealing> anyway we got it working, thanks
[09:21] <tatertots> you might get the "kit glove" / "white glove" treatment....heck they might just do the "admin" stuff for you ...depending on how much $ profits are in the Tier plan you have
[09:21] <iNeedHealing> I've got my servers and support for free
[09:32] <za1b1tsu> Hello, I can't connect to my wifi https://paste.ubuntu.com/26365066/
[09:32] <za1b1tsu> I can connect to my wifi using my win laptop and my android phone, so the wifi is ok
[09:33] <za1b1tsu> I could connect to my wifi yesterday and today morning with my ubuntu, but suddenly it refuses ti I tried NetworkManager.conf fix for random Mac, but no results
[09:47] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: have you connected a ethernet cable and "temporarily" hardwired the computer to the network? yes or no
[09:51] <za1b1tsu> Yes. When my connection did not work for my first time, I connected my phone to the wifi and then connected the phone to the laptop to access the Wifi
[09:52] <za1b1tsu> tatertots: Yes, with my phone to the laptop
[09:53] <za1b1tsu> it showed as a ethernet connection
[09:59] <msanchez> Hi there, sorry if this is not be the right channel to report things, but I have a quick question I hope someone here will be able to answer
[10:00] <msanchez> for bugs strictly related to packaging (of chromium-browser in this case) is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+filebug the right place to file them?
[10:00]  * msanchez realizes it sounds like a dumb question, still would like to confirm
[10:01] <someone_> Hi , I have installed Ubuntu on a flash memory but I don't know why it does not boot , there is an error how I can fix it without reinstall ubuntu again on the flash memory
[10:02] <bazhang> someone_, installed using what tool or method
[10:04] <someone_> bazhang I installed it on a usb flash memory by using another flash memory.
[10:04] <bazhang> someone_, you just dragged the iso from one to another?
[10:04] <alkisg> msanchez: if you know who wrote that part of the code (e.g. debian), file it there. If you don't know, use the ubuntu launchpad page, yeah
[10:05] <ayabidi> test
[10:07] <someone_> bazhang No , I installed in normal way as when install on hard disk , I restart computer and boot use usb flash memory and installed Ubuntu on another flash memory.
[10:08] <Trippz> hello ! someone can help me to configure an archive HD (ntfs) to be writeable?
[10:08] <bazhang> someone_, you haven't told us yet what the 'normal' way is, using what tool or method
[10:08] <tomeaton17> Apparently the fix for 17.10 was meant to come today but I cant see anything on the website :(
[10:08] <Trippz> please because is very urgent!
[10:10] <Trippz> someone can read me?
[10:10] <bazhang> Trippz, how is this ubuntu related
[10:10] <Trippz> why?
[10:10] <bazhang> Trippz, ntfs is a windows fs
[10:11] <someone_> bazhang there is no any tool , I used unetbootin to burning ubuntu on a flash memory then I used this flash memory to install ubuntu on another flash memory.
[10:11] <Trippz> i need to mount and write a disk on linux, so its related i think
[10:11] <msanchez> alkisg: I've checked and this packaging bug is Ubuntu-specific
[10:11] <alkisg> msanchez: then the ubuntu launchpad page is the correct place to file it, yes
[10:11] <bazhang> someone_, then you need to redo it, unetbootin is not what you want for this
[10:11] <msanchez> which kind of makes sense, since Debian and Ubuntu package chromium in a completely different way
[10:12] <Trippz> i can only read the files, but i need to write data on this ntfs disk!
[10:12] <msanchez> cool, thanks for confirming
[10:12] <alkisg> np
[10:12] <TJ-> someone_: what error occurs when the 'Flash' device is selected to boot?
[10:12] <msanchez> alkisg: in case you're curious: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1742653
[10:12] <Trippz> tried fuse, ntfs-3g but i still cant write data
[10:13] <alkisg> msanchez: nice; I think there was another package that included a whole lot of temporary photoshop files that the author happened to have in his build tree :D
[10:13] <Trippz> i need help
[10:14] <Trippz> please its important
[10:14] <mich1x_> Ask your question
[10:14] <bazhang> Trippz, you are on ubuntu, and wish to write to a ntfs drive?
[10:14] <msanchez> tbh, I'm not surprised this big binary slipped into the package. Packaging chromium is already hard enough and chromium has a tendency to make so many changes between releases that's hard to keep up to date
[10:14] <Trippz> mich1x_: well i need to write data on a ntfs archive hard drive
[10:14] <alkisg> Trippz: what message do you see when you mount the drive? E.g. does it tell you it's hibernated or in use by windows?
[10:14] <someone_> TJ- I think it was about can't find boot loader or something like this , I don't remember the message.
[10:15] <Trippz> alkisg: its already mounted, but i can only read files
[10:15] <alkisg> Trippz: unmount it and try again so that you see the error message
[10:15] <msanchez> we (Endless) noticed because we maintain space-constrained installations and this 44MB were contributing to an extra 300MB size increase in the new release that we need to deal with if we want the OS image to be installable in certain devices
[10:15] <Trippz> bazhang: yes
[10:16] <Trippz> alkisg: ok
[10:16] <mich1x_> Maybe its windows drive and password protected
[10:16] <ubuntuuser> hello, i am having issues on boot of ubuntu-server 17.10 that is installed on my laptop. 1st systemctl disable systemd-networkd-wait-online.service does not disable it, it adds 60seconds approx to boot time
[10:16] <Trippz> mich1x_: yes its a windows archive drive, so ntfs....
[10:17] <ubuntuuser> 2nd, modprobe bbswitch works perfectly fine, but if i write it in modules file, i get error on boot saying module not found
[10:17] <TJ-> someone_: so probably coming from the system firmware. That suggests that when you installed to the device, you didn't check that the bootloader target device was the same as the OS was being installed on. I've noticed in the past that when there are USB and fixed disk/SSD devices, the bootloader target defaults to a fixed disk/SDD (presumably assuming the USB device is the LiveISO medium).
[10:18] <TJ-> someone_: you can fix that by booting with the original LiveISO USB, then mounting the installed USB Flash to /target/ and chroot-ing into it, and installing GRUB manually
[10:18] <Trippz> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/JqpTgbHm
[10:19] <alkisg> Trippz: eh, what command did you give? You were supposed to run something like sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[10:19] <someone_> TJ- and bazhang Thank you so much .
[10:20] <Trippz> for that i used the fdisk -l to show you the drive
[10:21] <alkisg> Trippz: ok, now run the mount command which is what we want to see
[10:21] <alkisg> `sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt` or something similar
[10:25] <genos> bunch of fucking idiots no one answered fucking ubuntu faggots wow i asked somewhere else go neck yourselves omg fagbuntu
[10:25] <Trippz> alkisg: im working on it :D
[10:26] <Trippz> https://thepasteb.in/p/3lh7KE4pJ3Ps1
[10:27] <alkisg> Trippz: eh, this is again the wrong command
[10:27] <alkisg> Let's start over
[10:27] <alkisg> sudo lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:28] <Trippz> ok im sorry
[10:28] <alkisg> What's the output of that
[10:29] <Trippz> http://termbin.com/sn7s
[10:29] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: you near the computer?
[10:29] <za1b1tsu> I'm on it right now, connect with USB tethering
[10:30] <alkisg> Trippz: ok, now: sudo umount /dev/sdb1; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:30] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: open terminal
[10:30] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit sosreport
[10:30] <hanabishi> hi everyone, i want to knows about IP chat room, i saw in die hard 4 when matt farrell talk with warlock
[10:30] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: let me know when done
[10:30] <hanabishi> it so cool
[10:30] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: or just wait on someone else to help you
[10:31] <Trippz> http://termbin.com/qynl
[10:31] <za1b1tsu> tatertos: done
[10:31] <Trippz> alkisg: http://termbin.com/qynl
[10:32] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[10:32] <alkisg> Trippz: ok, now read the message. Is it clear enough or do you need explanation?
[10:32] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so
[10:32] <Trippz> so i need to go on windows, shut down and its ok? i think not because ive already done this steps
[10:32] <za1b1tsu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26365315/
[10:33] <alkisg> Trippz: you need to disable "fast shutdown" on windows, or do a reboot, which is not "fast/unsafe"
[10:33] <Trippz> alkisg: how to disable fast shutdown? O_O never done that
[10:33] <alkisg> Trippz: so boot windows, run a chkdsk on that disk, then reboot, and at the time it's rebooting, turn off the power
[10:34] <alkisg> Trippz: that's a windows question, if you google "disable windows fast shutdown" you'll find thousands of tutorials,
[10:34] <alkisg> i also told you one way with reboot, and another is to press win+x and select shutdown from there
[10:34] <tatertots> za1b1tsu: rfkill list|pastebinit
[10:35] <Trippz> alkisg: so i go on windows, run a chkdsk on that disk then reboot ad shut off the power when rebooting?
[10:35] <alkisg> Trippz: sounds like a good plan, yes
[10:35] <za1b1tsu> tatertots: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26365334/
[10:35] <Trippz> thanks master, i try this!!!
[10:36] <Trippz> i suppose that the forced power off dont write tha disk cache?
[10:36] <Trippz> its correct?
[10:36] <alkisg> Trippz: at the time when you see the "bios screen", the disk is not in use, so it's safe to unplug the power
[10:37] <Trippz> ok i try! i come back soon
[10:37] <Trippz> and thanks
[10:37] <alkisg> np
[10:46] <MintoMa> I`m running Ubuntu 16.04 with kernel 4.10. From what I can tell, it isn't (nor will it be) patched against SPECTRE and Meltdown. What is the recommended action?
[10:47] <hateball> !hwe | MintoMa
[10:47] <hateball> MintoMa: that way you get 4.13 which is patched
[10:49] <alkisg> MintoMa, hateball: hwe is 4.10 on xenial, and it includes the patches
[10:49] <hateball> alkisg: oh, my bad
[10:50] <hateball> too much stuff going on atm
[10:50] <alkisg> hateball: actually you are right and I'm wrong, 4.13 arrived today :)
[10:50] <TJ-> alkisg: are you sure? "The Rolling HWE kernel for Ubuntu 16.04 will go to 4.13 early, instead of also fixing 4.10 HWE kernel."
[10:50] <alkisg> MintoMa: so just update
[10:50] <MintoMa> hateball: thanks
[10:51] <MintoMa> alkisg: are you sure?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[10:51] <TJ-> MintoMa: for clarity, 4.13 replaces 4.10 as the HWE kernel for 16.04 :)
[10:51] <alkisg> MintoMa: I was wrong, see above
[10:51] <hateball> hah! small victories
[10:51] <hateball> alkisg: it's fine, hard to keep track of all things
[10:52] <jacko115> Hello. I have an Ubuntu 17.10 computer connected to a tv as a media box. I turn off the TV at night (at the wall), which causes the logged in user to be logged off (not sure if it is a log off or a X server restart). The computer used to be on 16.04 and didn't have the problem before. Does anyone know how to stop this or know the cause?
[10:52] <TJ-> Looks like there are more PTI patches coming to fix regressions and bugs, before mainline 4.15 is released
[10:53] <TJ-> jacko115: is the 17.10 system using Wayland or Xorg ?
[10:53] <MintoMa> I ran the command 'sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 ' to install hwe, but nothing is installed ('linux-generic-hwe-16.04 is already the newest version (4.13.0.26.46).1)'). However, uname -r says 4.10.0-42-generic. What am I missing.
[10:53] <TJ-> MintoMa: you've not rebooted?
[10:54] <MintoMa> That could be it. Checking now, its been a few days since I installed and its a remote machine.
[10:55] <jacko115> TJ-: Xorg I believe (standard desktop install)
[10:55] <MintoMa> yup, all god now
[10:55] <MintoMa> thanks guys
[10:55] <alkisg> MintoMa: you didn't need the command, since you already had hwe
[10:55] <alkisg> Just apt-get dist-upgrade was enough
[10:56] <TJ-> jacko115: for 17.10 Wayland is the default unless it has problems with drivers (e.g. nvidia), in which case Xorg is used. You can also select the session type at the greeter screen before log-in
[10:57] <TJ-> jacko115: we've seen a lot user-facing regression with the way Wayland behaves compared to Xorg
[10:58] <jacko115> TJ-: Ah. Indeed it is using Wayland. Will give it a shot with Xorg
[10:59] <anonymous> hello
[10:59] <Guest98212> hola
[11:06] <axisys> failing to install fio on xenial..  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26365462/ , any suggestion?
[11:07] <axisys> E: Package 'libaio1' has no installation candidate
[11:11]  * zomaar_ a squirrel makes some noise on the forest floor
[11:11] <sdfgsdf> hello, its on the news that with new ubuntu patch people can't even boot thier PCs
[11:11] <sdfgsdf> is this true ? is this fixed
[11:11] <zomaar_> It has been fixed
[11:11] <sdfgsdf> cool
[11:11] <sdfgsdf> its still in the headlines though
[11:11] <sdfgsdf> ubuntu rekt
[11:11] <TJ-> sdfgsdf: it was fixed wtithin 4 hours
[11:11] <TJ-> sdfgsdf: never let the facts get in the way of a sensational news headline :)
[11:12] <sdfgsdf> exactly
[11:12] <zomaar_> There has been some chaos here yes
[11:12] <brainwash> axisys: I would check the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libaio1"
[11:12] <sdfgsdf> but fake news can be sensational
[11:12] <zomaar_> It wasn't really fake because people's machines updated automatically
[11:12] <zomaar_> And then didn't boot so couldn't update to the fixed version
[11:13] <sdfgsdf> so we rolled out a bug to humanity for a sec :(
[11:13] <sdfgsdf> thats unfair
[11:13] <sdfgsdf> dont people check before they push something
[11:13] <Ben64> if people had automatic updates enabled, and rebooted in the time before the good version
[11:13] <axisys> brainwash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26365619/
[11:13] <Ben64> and even then they could boot an older kernel
[11:14] <sdfgsdf> thats a whole lot of assumptions
[11:14] <zomaar_> Not without help
[11:14] <TJ-> zomaar_: There's always older kernels to start with, and the GRUB<>OS good boot flag so GRUB knows to stop at the menu if the last boot failed
[11:14] <raub> Do I need to list the interfaces that belong to a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:14] <sdfgsdf> most wont even know theres a second backup kernel
[11:14] <zomaar_> raub: Yes with ports
[11:15] <brainwash> axisys: that's only the output of the second command
[11:15] <sdfgsdf> when exactly was pti introduced ?
[11:15] <zomaar_> raub: Well they can also be dynamically added
[11:15] <sdfgsdf> last year ?
[11:15] <zomaar_> raub: The option name is "bridge_ports"
[11:15] <axisys> brainwash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26365624/
[11:16] <sdfgsdf> or 5 jan ?
[11:17] <zomaar_> There was also someone with failing virtualbox after the patch (kernel hangs)
[11:18] <raub> zomaar_: I meant having a separate entry for each interface. What you said was listing in the bridge interface definition which interfaces are part of it. Which I agree the brdige better know that.
[11:18] <indistylo> All of sudden my audio stopped working, it say "Dummy output" Seems some sound card issue > My initial troubleshooting didn't worked, for driver details see this please : https://paste.debian.net/1004602/
[11:19] <zomaar_> indistylo: Did you already log out and in again, or reboot?
[11:19] <indistylo> zomaar_, reboot
[11:19] <jacko115> TF-: Just tried it on Ubuntu on Xorg and had the same issue. Have gone onto Unity and don't have the issue
[11:20] <raub> zomaar_: i.e. http://pastebin.centos.org/492281/. Do I need lines 4-6?
[11:20] <zomaar_> raub: You want an IP address for each part you mean?
[11:20] <TJ-> jacko115: that points the finger at the desktop environment then
[11:21] <zomaar_> raub: Some people advise against putting IP on the constituent parts
[11:21] <zomaar_> raub: But the interface does need to be configured aside from that
[11:21] <zomaar_> raub: But you can put it to manual
[11:22] <brainwash> axisys: did you disable the "main" repository?
[11:22] <axisys> brainwash: not intentionally.. but I guess it looks missing?
[11:22] <zomaar_> raub: Then put the IP on the bridge itself...
[11:22] <raub> zomaar_: so, do I *need* to declar enp0s25 as mentioned in the pastebin, be it static or manual? The question is still whther I need the lines.
[11:23] <axisys> brainwash: yes.. looks like I do not see this
[11:23] <axisys> brainwash: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[11:23] <zomaar_> raub: Yes you do
[11:23] <raub> zomaar_: the ubuntu wiki examples do not have that
[11:23] <zomaar_> At least I think so
[11:23] <zomaar_> Well then test without it
[11:23] <zomaar_> But I can't test on my running system
[11:23] <axisys> brainwash: yep it is unchecked on my desktop.. doh! good catch
[11:24] <brainwash> axisys: also, -updates is missing
[11:24] <axisys> brainwash: yikes
[11:24] <brainwash> axisys: and -security :D
[11:24] <axisys> brainwash: even the -security
[11:24] <axisys> :-)
[11:24] <brainwash> axisys: I wonder how you managed to disable those
[11:24] <axisys> brainwash: not sure.. hmm..
[11:25] <raub> zomaar_: I understand. I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConnectionBridge. It worked for months but on last reboot the bridge stopped working for my vm guests
[11:25] <jacko115> TJ-: indeed. From the journal Jan 11 11:00:45 _____ gnome-shell[1200]: JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: monitors-changed: TypeError: monitor is undefined
[11:26] <zomaar_> Okay so i am wrong
[11:26] <zomaar_> Did you upgrade to newer kernel btw?
[11:26] <raub> zomaar_: actually my bridge is a bit more complex (http://pastebin.centos.org/492291/)
[11:27] <raub> zomaar_: Yep
[11:27] <TJ-> zomaar_: according to "man bridge-utils-interfaces" : "bridge_ports ... shouldn't have any stanzas defining them on the interfaces file"
[11:27] <raub> zomaar_: Well, 4.4.0-83-generic
[11:28] <TJ-> raub (sorry zomaar_ !) according to "man bridge-utils-interfaces" : "bridge_ports ... shouldn't have any stanzas defining them on the interfaces file"
[11:28] <raub> TJ-: so http://pastebin.centos.org/492291/ looks proper?
[11:28] <zomaar_> raub: Okay so you are on older kernel, so nothing happened there
[11:29] <zomaar_> TJ-: Right, I think I was using it to perform some manual ifup commands, not sure
[11:29] <raub> zomaar_: Newer kernel has weirdness? I am on 16.04LTS
[11:29] <zomaar_> raub: Well could be
[11:29] <zomaar_> raub: Just to rule it out you know
[11:30] <raub> zomaar_: I appreciate any help. I have been fighting this since Monday and still have gone nowhere slowly
[11:30] <TJ-> raub: that looks sane, although I'd move it to /etc/network/interfaces.d/bridge  rather than altering the package-supplied /etc/network/interfaces - tha way, on package upgrades, you won't be prompted whether to keep or replace the existing interfaces file
[11:31] <zomaar_> raub: I have no clue what could be wrong either, my setup is a lot more complex but
[11:31] <jacko115> TJ-: Thanks for your help. Will post the bug with Gnome
[11:31] <zomaar_> raub: I define a virtual bridge and then LXC adds ports to it
[11:31] <raub> TJ-: I can do that since it just includes everyone in interfaces.d per line 5. You mean just the br0 declaration.
[11:31] <TJ-> raub: you'll notice 'interfaces' is doing "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*" to include all files from that directory
[11:32] <raub> TJ-: which is what I meant when I said line 5 in my pastebin :)
[11:32] <TJ-> raub: correct, for the bridge interface. having one file per interface/related group also makes admin easier and more logical
[11:32] <TJ-> raub: sorry; my eyes skipped over some messages :)
[11:32] <bipul> Hello TJ-
[11:32] <bipul> Good to see you here :)
[11:32] <zomaar_> raub: I assume you have attempted using that brctl tool yourself?
[11:33] <bipul> I just wanted to change runlevel's permanently in Ubuntu.
[11:33] <zomaar_> raub: Any recent upgrades from /var/log/apt/history.log?
[11:33] <TJ-> raub: if the bridge isn't starting the logs should give some clues, maybe "journalctl -u networking.service"
[11:33] <zomaar_> bipul: What version of Ubuntu?
[11:34] <raub> TJ-: http://pastebin.centos.org/492306/
[11:34] <TJ-> bipul: runlevels haven't been used in a long time for service control
[11:34] <zomaar_> bipul: Is your goal non-graphical boot?
[11:34] <raub> I will get the journalctl entry if different
[11:34] <bipul> zomaar_ 12.04.5 LTS
[11:35] <zomaar_> try to delete the bridge
[11:35] <bipul> It should be 3 and 5
[11:35] <TJ-> raub: reproduce it with debug info with "sudo ifup -va" see if there's more clues; probably a syntax issue
[11:35] <zomaar_> use brctl to delete the bridge
[11:35] <sdfgsdf> is there an auto update for ubuntu ? I thought we would manually have to do this
[11:35] <zomaar_> then use ifdown --force on the interface br0, or do that first
[11:36] <zomaar_> then use ifup br0 again
[11:36] <TJ-> bipul: 12.04 is not longer supported, you should upgrade to 14.04 or 16.04
[11:36] <bipul> Ok
[11:36] <bipul> After that
[11:36] <zomaar_> bipul: I also have no knowledge of it
[11:36] <raub> zomaar_: you are those for me or someone else? I was going through was TJ- is suggesting
[11:37] <zomaar_> raub: For you
[11:37] <zomaar_> Just try it
[11:38] <raub> zomaar_: give me an hour to be in front of the machine. Not doing that remotely
[11:38] <bipul> T-J upgrading it
[11:38] <raub> TJ-: I will check output from ifup also in an hour. Doing this from a 11" screen laptop is getting interesting. And I now need to rush to go to work
[11:39] <axisys> brainwash: thanks for your help!
[11:40] <zomaar_> raub: Cya. ifdown --force br0 && brctl delbr br0 && ifup br0
[11:43] <brainwash> axisys: you're welcome :)
[11:48] <linuxr> Hi all. Yesterday I upgraded my system (using apt dist-upgrade), and a package broke my system, so I removed that package (using apt purge). Now I hear a fixed version of the package is available, but I can't see it (apt-update)...help, anyone?
[11:49] <TJ-> linuxr: it would help if you told us what the package is, and on which release of Ubuntu
[11:50] <IhrFussel> Question: Which signal does the init process send to all others in case ACPI/power is pressed?
[11:52] <linuxr> TJ-,  ubuntu 16.04, package linux-image-4.4.0-108
[11:52] <zomaar_> linuxr: Having fun?
[11:52] <zomaar_> I know I am
[11:53] <linuxr> zomaar_, I would not call that fun
[11:53] <zomaar_> linuxr: Uhuh
[11:54] <zomaar_> linuxr: So why is 109 not available to you then?
[11:54] <linuxr> zomaar_, that's exactly the question...apt-date update && apt-get dist-upgrade does not suggest any new packages, and I'm on 104 currently
[11:54] <zomaar_> (Maybe I am confusing the same username here)
[11:55] <TJ-> linuxr: that's because that package was retired and superceded by a different version
[11:55] <zomaar_> linuxr: Did you remove linux-generic?
[11:55] <jablo> Anyone using VirtualBox on Dell XPS 9560 with Ubuntu 16.04? No matter which Virtual machine I start my laptop immediately locks up completely and only a hard (power cycle) can bring it back to life.
[11:56] <zomaar_> jablo: Someone else had the same issue
[11:56] <tatertots> jablo: open terminal
[11:56] <tatertots> jablo: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[11:56] <TJ-> linuxr: you only need to ensure "linux-generic" or "linux-lowlatency" are installed (or for HWE linux-{generic,lowlatency}-hwe
[11:56] <zomaar_> linuxr: If you reinstall linux-generic it will update to something newer
[11:56] <tatertots> jablo: let me know when done
[11:56] <tatertots> jablo: or just wait for someone else to help you
[11:56] <jablo> tatertots: thanks. Will try immediately.
[11:57] <zomaar_> jablo: And try to show uname -r
[11:57] <linuxr> TJ-, zomaar_ thanks..I'll try to install linux-generic...that actually suggests 109
[11:58] <zomaar_> linuxr: linux-generic was removed when you removed 108, but it is responsible to "upgrading" kernels to later versions
[11:58] <linuxr> while downloading, there's time for a prayer that the system will reboot
[11:58] <zomaar_> :)
[11:58] <TJ-> linuxr: the way kernel packages work is  top-level 'meta' package that declares a Depends: on a specific linux-{image,headers}-<version> so an update to the 'meta' package (linux-generic) will automatically pull in the correct kernel
[11:59] <floogy> gedit does not show recent opened files on ubuntu 16.04.3 I had formerly no zeitgeist installed, but installed it now. The issue didnt go away. I got such messages on zeitgeist restart:
[11:59] <floogy> ** (zeitgeist-datahub:25610): WARNING **: zeitgeist-datahub.vala:229: Unable to get name "org.gnome.zeitgeist.datahub" on the bus!
[11:59] <linuxr> TJ-, thanks for the explanation, that all makes sense now
[12:00] <jablo1> Ok, I installed it, tatertots.
[12:00] <zomaar_> jablo1: What is the output of "uname -r"?
[12:00] <jablo1> zomaar_: 4.13.0-26-generic
[12:01] <roses> I have 2 HDD and they dont stop spinning after I eject them (with the gui). I have to unplug them. I fear I may be shortening the lifespan of these HDD. Is there any package I can install?
[12:01] <zomaar_> So you have the Meltdown patch right
[12:01] <floogy> I also tried to zeitgeist-daemon --quit && rm -rvf ~/.local/share/zeitgeist/fts.index/ && zeitgeist-daemon --replace
[12:01] <roses> samsung and toshiba satas with an aluminum enclosure
[12:01] <zomaar_> jablo1: The meltdown patch may have introduced problems with Virtualbox
[12:01] <TJ-> roses: are these disk drives attached via USB?
[12:01] <roses> TJ-, yes
[12:01] <roses> usb 3
[12:02] <jablo1> zomaar_: Ok, so I might need to back down kernel version?
[12:02] <zomaar_> jablo1: Yes
[12:02] <tatertots> jablo1: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[12:02] <tatertots> jablo1: share url/link here
[12:02] <zomaar_> jablo1: Correct
[12:03] <linuxr> ok, fingers crossed..going to reboot
[12:03] <zomaar_> roses: You can write a script to run hdparm -Y on the disks after unmounting
[12:03] <jablo1> tatertots: the inxi command just hangs; does it only work once?
[12:03] <zomaar_> roses: But I have no ready answer for you
[12:04] <TJ-> roses: if I recall correctly the auto spin-down power save was disabled many years ago due to some disks having problems with frequent/rapid spin-up/spin-down, but I thought that had been resolved long ago. I'd have expected the driver to issue a power down command. have you tried using 'hdparm' to spin-down manually to prove the USB>disk interface allows/passes the command ?
[12:04] <jablo1> zomaar_: I think I have a slightly older kernel I can select at boot.
[12:04] <tatertots> jablo1: if inxi hangs..sounds like your system is unstable
[12:04] <tatertots> jablo1: reboot and rerun the above command and report results
[12:04] <jablo1> ok
[12:05] <zomaar_> jablo1: You can downgrade "linux-generic" and then put it on hold, or fix a older kernel in /etc/default/grub to boot the older kernel always
[12:05] <jablo1> I'll try both then be back here. cya.
[12:06] <roses> TJ-, so is this a drivers problem? I mean, it can only be solved with drivers from the vendor?
[12:06] <linuxr> wow, reboot successful...and no noticeable performance drop. -109 includes the meltdown mitigations, right?
[12:06] <zomaar_> Yes
[12:06] <kostkon> linuxr, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pti
[12:06] <geirha> linuxr: apt changelog "linux-image-$(uname -r)"
[12:06] <TJ-> roses: do the 'hdparm' spin-down test first. Once you know whether the USB enclosure passes the command you can investigate further
[12:07] <linuxr> kostkon, what should that show?
[12:07] <zomaar_> roses: Try to see if "lsblk" will show you the names of the drives
[12:07] <zomaar_> roses: Then run "sudo hdparm -Y /dev/name"
[12:07] <kostkon> linuxr, it's the new cpu flag related to the meltdown patch
[12:07] <TJ-> linuxr: "dmesg | grep isolation" should show "Kernel/User page tables isolation: enabled"
[12:08] <zomaar_> Hi Jablo
[12:08] <jablo> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26365829/
[12:08] <linuxr> yes, it does indeed, TJ-
[12:08] <jablo> zomaar_: I forgot to change kernel, so I'll have to reboot again and see.
[12:09] <linuxr> kostkon, I doubt you would see that in /proc/cpuinfo?
[12:09] <zomaar_> linuxr: Doing is the ender of all doubts
[12:10] <tatertots> jablo: good...inxi doesn't lock up when run in a stable environment
[12:10] <Ben64> TJ-: doesn't show that on my system :o
[12:10] <jablo> tatertots: I probably was just impatient
[12:11] <kostkon> linuxr, you would. Looks like it creates a new flag, i believe only on affected cpus, i might be wrong
[12:11] <tatertots> jablo: now that its stabilized somewhat from a reboot...try your vm's again
[12:11] <jablo> This is a fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04.03 from yesterday evening. Only added a few packages and my home directory from my older machine
[12:11] <tatertots> jablo: same result?
[12:11] <kerneled> in an uptodate Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS boot partition is 100% full ... older kernels dont seem to be deleted
[12:11] <jablo> tatertots: I'll try. If it locks up, requires a reboot though. I'll be back
[12:11] <tatertots> jablo: ok
[12:11] <TJ-> Ben64: what version/arch ?
[12:11] <linuxr> zomaar_, kostkon : I suppose you would see any related microcode updates in /proc/cpuinfo, right? but not the meltdown fix (pti)
[12:11] <kerneled> can I manually delete older kernels in boot?
[12:12] <zomaar_> linuxr: You can only find out by checking
[12:12] <TJ-> kerneled: does "sudo apt autoremove" help?
[12:12] <kostkon> linuxr, just that new flag (that's all i know)
[12:12] <linuxr> zomaar_, I see the output in dmesg, but nothing in /proc/cpuinfo
[12:12] <Ben64> TJ-: 16.04 amd64
[12:13] <TJ-> kerneled: generally, there should be 3 versions in place, and all other should be removed by autoremove
[12:13] <Ben64> Linux ben64 4.13.0-25-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 12:16:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:13] <TJ-> Ben64: did dmesg overflow since boot? it's a ring buffer
[12:13] <Ben64> nope
[12:14] <Ben64> only been up 6.5hrs
[12:17] <kerneled_> TJ: there are about 20 kernels in /boot ... 'uname -a' gives the oldest of the list ... should I still issue 'autoremove'?
[12:18] <tatertots> jablo: did it lock up on ya
[12:18] <TJ-> kerneled_: that is 'weird'!
[12:18] <zomaar_> kerneled_: Looks like you manually installed a kernel
[12:18] <TJ-> kerneled_: can you show us "pastebinit <( apt list 'linux-image*' --installed )"
[12:18] <zomaar_> kerneled_: Question is which one do you want to keep using
[12:19] <jablo1> tatertots: Still complete lockup when I start a virtual machine
[12:19] <zomaar_> jablo1: Kernel changed?
[12:19] <jablo1> I'm on kernel 4.10.0-28-generic now, so will try with that
[12:19] <tatertots> jablo1: sudo apt install sosreport
[12:19] <roses> sudo hdparm -Y /dev/sdb spins the hdd down, but thunar still shows sdbas plugged in, and the led indicator in the enclosure is still activated. I dont know how to continue TJ-
[12:19] <kerneled_> TJ: the laptop had been bought off ebay with ubuntu preinstalled ... looks like manual install is possible ...pastebin?
[12:19] <tatertots> jablo1: let me know when done
[12:20] <tatertots> jablo1: also your Nvidia installation was NOT successful
[12:20] <tatertots> jablo1: and that can manifest itself in weird ways
[12:20] <zomaar_> kerneled_: Not just manual install but also has set the default to the oldest kernel
[12:21] <TJ-> roses: I'm not familiar with thunar's behaviour so I can't help there
[12:23] <zomaar_> roses: I already gave you the answer Roses, but TJ- will save you.
[12:23] <SimonNL> roses: on right clicking does it show disconnect or something in that order
[12:23] <jablo1> tatertots: WIth kernel 4.10.0-28-generic virtualbox seems to work fine and does not lock up my whole system. Nice with a workaround.
[12:23] <SimonNL> hi tatertots good seeing you active here.
[12:23] <kerneled_> TJ, zomaar : pastebinned output for 'apt list 'linux-image*' --installed'
[12:23] <zomaar_> jablo1: I said so, you're wasting your time, the Virtualbox people are probably working on this
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:24] <rickardo1> On identical vps servers different kernels are installed "Linux srv01 4.4.0-92-generic", "Linux srv 4.4.0-104-generic" after "apt-get dist-upgrade" how can they differ?
[12:25] <roses> zomaar_, I dont know to write scripts
[12:25] <zomaar_> roses: If you want one it's simple.
[12:25] <kerneled_> zomaar : can I install latest kernel and manually point to it and then make it autoate updates in the future?
[12:25] <zomaar_> roses: But I need to know if you are okay something shoddy and with waiting 10 minutes before they spin down?
[12:26] <roses> o wait, it spinned down, and I dont know if its due to sudo hdparm -S 25 /dev/sdb
[12:26] <zomaar_> roses: Also you can probably get them to also spin down while still active
[12:26] <zomaar_> roses: Ah you set a sleep timer
[12:27] <roses> ill test a bit
[12:27] <zomaar_> roses: Yes that's what I mean, that is even much easier
[12:27] <kerneled_> TJ, zomaar: fyi the laptop owner in desperation has moved some of the big vmlinuz files in /boot away to another folder ... he may have lost some files too ... is it best to reinstall or try correct this?
[12:27] <tatertots> SimonNL: hi there
[12:28] <zomaar_> kerneled_: It is just best to manually delete (remove the packages) of the X middle kernels
[12:28] <zomaar_> kerneled_: Where is your pastebin?
[12:28] <zomaar_> kerneled_: Just take the 60% of kernels in between and delete those first
[12:28] <jablo>  tatertots: Still complete lockup when I start a virtual machine
[12:28] <tatertots> jablo: glad you found how to use virtualbox without experiencing a lockup
[12:28] <kerneled_> TJ, zomaar: ah! https://paste.ubuntu.com/26365907/
[12:28] <jablo> tatertots: me too.
[12:29] <jablo> thanks for hte help
[12:29] <tatertots> jablo: no prob
[12:29] <TJ-> kerneled_: notice the "auto-removable" mentioned? "sudo apt autoremove" will remove those
[12:31] <kerneled_> zomaar: TJ: ok will try 'autoremove' and be right back ... in case the system goes down (using the machine to irc) should I symlink somethign to point to the latest kernel?
[12:31] <zomaar_> You can also run: for i in 70 72 75 78 79 81; do sudo apt remove linux-image-4.4.0-$i-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-$i-generic; done
[12:31] <zomaar_> That will remove everything but the first and the last
[12:32] <zomaar_> But ask for confirmation at each step
[12:32] <TJ-> kerneled_: no manual intervention should be necessary
[12:32] <zomaar_> He's afraid his oldest kernel will be removed
[12:33] <TJ-> unless there's a GRUB default over-ride in /etc/default/grub the latest kernel will be booted
[12:33] <zomaar_> Yes and he has booted the oldest
[12:34] <zomaar_> kerneled_: No symlinks
[12:34] <zomaar_> kerneled_: Only maybe run update-grub
[12:35] <TJ-> kerneled_: if files have been deleted/moved manually then once the autoremove is done and space is available (check with "df -h") then you should do "sudo apt --reinstall install <package>" for the remaining kernels to ensure you've not problem them
[12:35] <TJ-> zomaar_: update-grub is run as part of the kernel install/remove process
[12:35] <kerneled_> zomaar, TJ: ok thanks ...may go offline
[12:35] <zomaar_> I know, but just in case
[12:36] <matglas> I there. I would like to know if and how its possible to configure a apt repo and only retrieve information for a specific package and its dependencies. But dont look at is for example for a general apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.
[12:36] <zomaar_> matglas: You mean a newer version of the same distribution right
[12:37] <matglas> euhm no.
[12:37] <alkisg> matglas: the information is per repository, not per package
[12:37] <zomaar_> matglas: A PPA then?
[12:37] <alkisg> So you would need to pull at least all the repository details
[12:37] <alkisg> matglas: for code example, see software-properties-gtk
[12:37] <matglas> For the time beeing I would like to install the kernel from the 16.04 repo in my 15.10 version. But the rest of the installation needs to receive its updates from the 15.10 repo
[12:37] <alkisg> Running software-properties-gtk, and adding a source, it pulls only the data from that one source
[12:38] <zomaar_> matglas: That's a newer version of the same distribution
[12:38] <matglas> zomaar_, true. sorry misunderstood
[12:38] <alkisg> That's apt priority and apt pinning
[12:38] <roses> now im curious: if you run HDD in enclosures bought separately, do you run sudo hdparm -S 1 /dev/sda or udo hdparm -y /dev/sda each time you dont need the unit anymore?
[12:38] <alkisg> You can put repositories with lower priorities etc
[12:39] <zomaar_> matglas: You can fix your distribution to Apt::Default-Distribution = <name of 15.10>
[12:39] <roses> or, what file manager do you use, that automatically spins HDDs down, after ejection (in the gui)?
[12:39] <alkisg> roses: udisksctl poweroff -b /dev/sdb
[12:39] <zomaar_> roses: hold on a sec rose
[12:40] <alkisg> (or, nautilus/caja)
[12:40] <matglas> alkisg, I'll look into that. thanks
[12:40] <matglas> alkisg, priority.
[12:40] <zomaar_> matglas: I only know that you can pin your distrition to 15.10 while having 16.04 in your sources
[12:40] <zomaar_> matglas: Then it will never automatically use 16.04
[12:41] <zomaar_> matglas: But to use it you have to specify apt install <package>/xenial
[12:41] <asdada> Hey guys. Is the mini.iso affected by the bios bug?
[12:41] <alkisg> matglas: a good page for reading is https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
[12:41] <asdada> mini.iso for 17.10 *
[12:41] <zomaar_> matglas: This is done using Apt::Default-Distribution
[12:41] <alkisg> Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 800
[12:41] <zomaar_> On that page
[12:41] <TJ-> kerneled_: I just cobbled together a command-string to automate the reinstall of the kept kernel packages: " apt --reinstall install $( apt list 'linux-image-*' --installed 2>/dev/null | sed -rn 's,^(linux-image.*)/.*,\1,p' )   "
[12:43] <kerneled_> TJ:  ok thanks ... I'll put everything back in to /boot and then try the command-string ...unless advised otherwise ..
[12:44] <zomaar_> roses: I have no experience currently with external devices, don't use them on this computer
[12:44] <zomaar_> roses: Not knowing how otherwise to solve it, I would quickly write the script I was mentioning
[12:44] <zomaar_> roses: But that's just what I would do
[12:45] <zomaar_> roses: Maybe Nautilus has options as said
[12:49] <roses> question for the whole room: Is nautilus your prefered file manager?
[12:49] <TJ-> roses: no; I am my preferred file manager
[12:50] <zomaar_> This would be the kinda script I'd write: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26366021/
[12:50] <zomaar_> And then just put it in /etc/rc.local, probably solved for now
[12:51] <zomaar_> roses: I am using KDE so I have Dolphin
[12:51] <zomaar_> roses: But I don't think Linux file managers are that great, Nautilus is probably better
[12:52] <akik> zomaar_: are you missing some feature in dolphin?
[12:53] <zomaar_> Dolphin in 16.04 tries to open the network .desktop file in a file viewer instead of executing it
[12:53] <zomaar_> I mean that's just one example
[12:54] <zomaar_> I don't know how to elevate privileges, and networking (samba) has always been really poor with Dolphin to my understanding
[12:55] <roses> illgoogle some more
[12:55] <zomaar_> (Personally I also don't like the "search" features on the left, and would like to see libraries there)
[12:56] <zomaar_> Overall the GTK things are somewhat better integrated... Nautilus and Cinnamon
[12:56] <matglas> alkisg, zomaar_ thanks that pionter to priority in apt worked.
[12:57] <matglas> *pointer
[12:57] <sruli> is it possible to use "pass" in portable mode? i want the key and pass store on a flash drive and be able to add / view directly on drive without needing to import gpg key
[12:57] <akik> zomaar_: ok we use it in a bit of different way. i haven't found a need to use sudo with dolphin and i've connected my network mounts with autofs
[12:58] <alkisg> matglas: np
[12:58] <akik> zomaar_: i have "places" on the left pane of dolphin where i can set my own locations (libraries?)
[12:59] <oxbffff> big world hey
[12:59] <oxbffff> ,
[12:59] <oxbffff> fuck
[12:59] <oxbffff> change my font
[13:00] <oxbffff> ,
[13:00] <oxbffff> :)
[13:01] <augustin6584> Hello
[13:01] <oxbffff> sup
[13:01] <Haris> hello all
[13:01] <augustin6584> my ubuntu boots only into read only system
[13:01] <Haris> can we install mysql 5.5.x on 16.x ?
[13:01] <oxbffff> ahhh
[13:01] <augustin6584> how can i fix it?
[13:01] <oxbffff> augustin6584, usb ?
[13:01] <alkisg> augustin6584: run fsck either from the initramfs or from a live cd
[13:02] <oxbffff> ?
[13:02] <Ben64> Haris: no
[13:02] <augustin6584> oxbffff: what do you mean?
[13:02] <alkisg> augustin6584: actually the easiest way would be friendly-recovery, i.e. select "recovery mode" in grub
[13:02] <wasutton3> so /dev/shm is limited to a maximum of 50% of the system ram. Is there a way to change that?
[13:02] <oxbffff> hmm
[13:02] <alkisg> augustin6584:  And from that menu, select to check file systems
[13:02] <JonelethIrenicus> when I do snap list it only shows the newest version of some software even though things like filelight reports the previous version still exist as "disks"
[13:02] <Haris> nothing from before mysql 5.7 ?
[13:02] <augustin6584> alkisg: that doesn§
[13:03] <JonelethIrenicus> I have 3 previous version of a software taking up about 250mb each
[13:03] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i get rid of them
[13:03] <augustin6584> alkisg: that doesnt work
[13:03] <alkisg> augustin6584: what is the error message?
[13:04] <augustin6584> alkisg: i choose fsck, then it show all finished message and change the filesystem stat to read/write
[13:04] <oxbffff> yeah
[13:04] <TJ-> wasutton3: /dev/shm is provided by tmpfs where 50% is the default; mount can chan change the size for tmpfs mounts; not sure about shm though
[13:04] <oxbffff> did u install on usb stick ?
[13:04] <Ben64> Haris: no
[13:04] <augustin6584> but if i choose continue it will boot into read only again
[13:04] <augustin6584> oxbffff: no
[13:05] <TJ-> augustin6584: is this on a laptop?
[13:05] <Haris> ok, that would be through official way. how about un-official way ?
[13:05] <augustin6584> TJ-: yes
[13:05] <oxbffff> augustin6584, so you installed on cd ?
[13:05] <alkisg> augustin6584: to clarify: you can get to writeable mode from recovery? Where you can e.g. touch /hello and it will work?
[13:05] <TJ-> augustin6584: check if it has "laptop-mode-tools" installed: "apt list -a laptop-mode-tools --installed"
[13:05] <oxbffff> ahh
[13:05] <augustin6584> it was woorking quite good then i just booted into rescue mode several times and then it stopped working
[13:05] <wasutton3> TJ-, I've tried to change it in the fstab, but theres some other limitation
[13:06] <TJ-> augustin6584: there's a known bug due to interaction with l.m.t. and systemd that causes / to go read-only
[13:06] <Ben64> Haris: that would be a Bad Idea™
[13:06] <augustin6584> TJ-:  right now only if i drop to root shell
[13:06] <Haris> in what way ?
[13:06] <oxbffff> his laptop is fucked
[13:06] <oxbffff> may aswell throw it away
[13:06] <Ben64> Haris: in the way of running unsupported software
[13:06] <TJ-> wasutton3: Last time I looked at that it was reading the kernel source, and the Documentation/fs/ stuff on it
[13:06] <Devrim> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS atm, when I do uname -r it says I have kernel version 3.14.32 but the ubuntu spectre and meltdown page is talking about kernel 4.13/4.4, am I doing something wrong?
[13:07] <oxbffff> Linux oxbffff 4.4.0-31-generic #50~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 13 01:06:37 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:07] <Ben64> Devrim: is that all uname says?
[13:07] <Devrim> Ben64 it says 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 for uname -r
[13:07] <Ben64> its a vm then, and you're using the kernel they have
[13:07] <kerneled_> TJ: I had to issue 'apt -f autoremove' along the way ...df -h shows /boot is only 27% used  now ls -l /boot is as here: <https://paste.ubuntu.com/26366087/>
[13:07] <oxbffff> hmm
[13:08] <augustin6584> TJ-: what should i do?
[13:08] <Devrim> Ok Ben64 it's an OVH box, they sey they are busy patching the servers on the hardware side so I guess I will wait on them
[13:08] <oxbffff> augustin6584, smash ur laptop
[13:08] <TJ-> kerneled_: do the --reinstall operation I recommended to ensure none of the installed kernels are broken, then a reboot should be safe
[13:08] <oxbffff> yeh install linux
[13:09] <TJ-> augustin6584: does apt report laptop-mode-tools is installed?
[13:09] <Ben64> Devrim: wait is it a vm? google is telling me that kernel might not be
[13:09] <Devrim> I don't think so Ben64
[13:09] <Devrim> It's a dedicated server from OVH
[13:09] <Devrim> so not shared or anything
[13:09] <Ben64> oh then get rid of that crap and use the standard ubuntu kernel (but backup first)
[13:10] <augustin6584> TJ-:  no i dont use this
[13:10] <Devrim> Do you happen to have a guide Ben64?
[13:10] <kerneled_> TJ: you mean issue the command-string again? (ie "apt --reinstall install $( apt list 'linux-image-*' --installed 2>/dev/null | sed -rn 's,^(linux-image.*)/.*,\1,p'" ))
[13:10] <kerneled_> TJ: you mean issue the command-string again? (ie "apt --reinstall install $( apt list 'linux-image-*' --installed 2>/dev/null | sed -rn 's,^(linux-image.*)/.*,\1,p'" ))
[13:10] <Ben64> Devrim: found this online, your results may differ https://www.kiloroot.com/switch-to-standard-ubuntu-kernel-on-ovh-or-kimsufi-servers/
[13:11] <TJ-> Devrim: see : https://serverfault.com/questions/786499/change-kernel-of-centos-ovh
[13:11] <Devrim> thanks Ben64 and TJ- will take a look at it later today
[13:11] <TJ-> kerneled_: if you've already done that you don't need it again, you're done
[13:11] <oxbffff> what distro are you running augustin6584
[13:11] <TJ-> augustin6584: OK, so the bug I had in mind isn't causing your read-only root-fs issue
[13:12] <oxbffff> ?
[13:12] <augustin6584> TJ-: yes it definitely different thing
[13:12] <oxbffff> augustin6584, what are you running
[13:12] <TJ-> augustin6584: check for disk I/O errors in "dmesg"
[13:12] <zomaar_> akik: autofs gave troubles for me with samba
[13:12] <kerneled_> TJ: so at the next kernel update the oldest will be automatically removed?
[13:12] <oxbffff> ubuntu ?
[13:13] <augustin6584> ubuntu xenial
[13:13] <oxbffff> lol
[13:13] <zomaar_> akik: And I know there is places but you have to always configure everything yoruself
[13:13] <augustin6584> there are some ext4-fs errors
[13:14] <xshell> hi all
[13:14] <oxbffff> augustin6584, what you need to do is reinstall
[13:14] <augustin6584> oxbffff: please shut up
[13:14] <xshell> I'm trying to script "apt-get dist-upgrade" but it throws a couple f menus . .
[13:14] <oxbffff> why?
[13:14] <xshell> so how can i get rid of that and automate this . ?
[13:14] <oxbffff> pfft
[13:15] <xshell> apt-get dist-upgrade -y doen't work
[13:15] <zomaar_> xshell: --nointeractive I believe
[13:15] <oxbffff> might have a shot
[13:16] <akik> zomaar_: i had to put the mount to autofs. otherwise on reboot, the network interface was shutdown before the mount was umounted
[13:16] <TJ-> xshell: you'll get prompts if you've changed package-supplied config files, so the solution is to move those customisations if possible to other files, or temporarily switch the files to the package-supplied version in your script whilst apt runs
[13:16] <augustin6584> EXT4-fs error device sda2: ext4_journal_check_start:61: Detected aborted journal
[13:16] <zomaar_> akik: Systemd fun
[13:16] <alkisg> augustin6584: when you're running fsck from recovery, do you just check, or also fix the errors?
[13:17] <augustin6584> EXT4-fs remounting filesystem read-only
[13:17] <xshell> Thanks TJ- but how can I keep the same configs/vendor version ? ?
[13:17] <TJ-> xshell: e.g, in the easy case where a package uses run-parts, you could move custom stanzas from /etc/network/interfaces to a new file at /etc/network/interfaces.d/myconfig
[13:17] <xshell> is there a way to let the promots use the default option and proceed with that
[13:17] <akik> zomaar_: systemd stupidity, i'd say
[13:17] <zomaar_> akik: If you put _netdev as option in fstab the mounts should get dependency on network-online.target though so that should not happen
[13:17] <TJ-> xshell: the solution depends on which packages are affected and which files
[13:17] <zomaar_> akik: I think those words mean the same ;-)
[13:18] <Haris> thank you all
[13:18] <xshell> TJ-: actually this is default image (amazon ubuntu 16.04 image)
[13:18] <zomaar_> xshell: --nointeractive
[13:18] <xshell> so I'm even not sure which files are change so want to proceed with promots and using the default options
[13:18] <augustin6584> alkisg: i just hit fsck from the menu and then i get fsck from util-linux 2.27.1
[13:18] <zomaar_> xshell: Oh can't find it myself now
[13:18] <augustin6584> Started remount root and kernel file systems
[13:18] <augustin6584> Finished please press enter
[13:19] <alkisg> augustin6584: read below, does it say "corrected" or does it say " found errors"
[13:19] <oxbffff> google no help ?
[13:19] <TJ-> xshell: then you should be able to do "apt-get --yes --force-yes -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" dist-upgrade "
[13:19] <augustin6584> alkisg: no, there isnt anything else
[13:19] <zomaar_> Wait that is a flag of dpkg-reconfigure
[13:20] <oxbffff> Linux oxbffff 4.4.0-31-generic #50~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 13 01:06:37 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:20] <zomaar_> I knew that one too
[13:20] <oxbffff> does firefox keep data ?
[13:21] <oxbffff> lol
[13:21] <oxbffff> fuck this
[13:21] <alkisg> augustin6584: reboot, go to recovery, select root shell WITHOUT selecting fsck first
[13:21] <oxbffff> i just download movies
[13:21] <alkisg> augustin6584: then, run: fsck -f /dev/sda1; reboot
[13:21] <TJ-> !language | oxbffff
[13:22] <alkisg> augustin6584: and see if it fixes errors and if it boots
[13:22] <xshell> TJ-: it still throws the prompt :)
[13:22] <oxbffff> ubottu, ok sorry mate
[13:22] <TJ-> xshell: which package ?
[13:23] <xshell> apt-get dist-upgrade TJ-
[13:23] <augustin6584> alkisg: it asked if i want remove dirty bit so i did and now reboot
[13:24] <matglas> Hi there, I have vps where the kernel is mounted by my provider. I am not able to find out where the kernel is configured. Or what the file is that is used. I need to install my own kernel as they have installed a kernel that is to high and not matching with my distro version
[13:24] <oxbffff> mounted.
[13:24] <oxbffff> ?
[13:24] <TJ-> xshell: but *which* package is asking the questions?
[13:24] <alkisg> augustin6584: I'm afraid you put the wrong device there. You have windows and sda1 is your windows and sda2 your ubuntu? Put sda2 then.
[13:24] <oxbffff> wtf u on about augustin6584  ?
[13:24] <augustin6584> alkisg: but it looks like the sda2 is corrupted somehow
[13:24] <augustin6584> yes
[13:24] <augustin6584> sda1 is just /boot
[13:25] <augustin6584> sda2 is /
[13:25] <augustin6584> but i cant fsck sda2 while it is mounted
[13:25] <oxbffff>  /
[13:25] <zomaar_> matglas: There is kexec but otherwise you would have to contact your provider?
[13:25] <oxbffff> is ur whole partiton
[13:25] <xshell> TJ-: there were two packges, let me run that again . .
[13:26] <xshell> sorry it totally skipped my mind . .
[13:26] <TJ-> matglas: generally, a more recent kernel is not an issue. A different config, however, can be.
[13:26] <oxbffff> ?
[13:26] <dragosdrgm12> help
[13:26] <TJ-> matglas: does your VPS provider not publish the kernel source and config ? Maybe make a support request for it?
[13:26] <alkisg> augustin6584: when you are in the recovery console, it's mounted read-only, so you can fsck it
[13:26] <matglas> Difference is that it runs 4.14 but the my distro version is working with the 3 range
[13:27] <alkisg> augustin6584: follow again my previous instructions, just put the correct device there
[13:27] <dragosdrgm12> i try to host a game server
[13:27] <matglas> zomaar_, I will but thought maybe I could fix it quickly.
[13:27] <dsai> I have a binary under /usr/lib/mydocument/mybinary. How can I create a shortcut on Desktop so that someone can double click on it to run the binary? I right click on the binary, but the "makelink" option is disabled. I tried ln  -s /usr/lib/myfolder/mybinary /home/x/Desktop/shortlink, but it is not runnable
[13:27] <TJ-> matglas: is the /proc/config.gz node not provided ?
[13:28] <oxbffff>  /exec -o
[13:28] <zomaar_> matglas: Your only chance is to chain-boot a different kernel but you make it appear as if there is never a boot menu
[13:28] <matglas> Yes I looked into that file.
[13:29] <oxbffff> yeh
[13:29] <oxbffff> boot something
[13:30] <alkisg> dsai: ls /usr/share/applications ==> see what .desktop files are, copy one, adjust it to your needs, put it to your desktop, and chmod +x it
[13:30] <augustin6584> alkisg: /dev/sda2 is mounted
[13:30] <oxbffff> -ls -a
[13:30] <oxbffff> ls -a ?
[13:30] <augustin6584> alkisg: e2fsck: cannot continue aborting.
[13:30] <alkisg> augustin6584: yes, in read only mode, and so you can fsck it
[13:30] <alkisg> augustin6584: did you select "root shell" directly?
[13:30] <augustin6584> yes i did
[13:31] <augustin6584> this is what i get from read only mode
[13:31] <augustin6584> after i run fsck -f
[13:31] <augustin6584> well
[13:31] <augustin6584> i just umounted it
[13:31] <oxbffff> WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***
[13:31] <oxbffff> cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.
[13:31] <xshell> TJ-: it also shows the following msg at the end of the execution. "W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays."
[13:31] <xshell> W: --force-yes is deprecated, use one of the options starting with --allow instead.
[13:31] <augustin6584> and does check for errors now
[13:32] <alkisg> augustin6584: eh, you can't unmount it, you need the programs for that. Now you may break it
[13:32] <xshell> not sure if it worked or should I go for some other option (and not --force-yes)
[13:32] <TJ-> xshell: the mdadm warning sounds like a result if an update-initramfs run
[13:32] <alkisg> augustin6584: fsck from that point works fine here. If you think you're doing it correctly and it doesn't work, use a live cd
[13:33] <xshell> TJ-: so I'm assuming that it worked (as kernel got updated) so just thinking if I've to change --force-yes
[13:33] <TJ-> xshell: ahh, for the --force-yes check the man page for your version
[13:33] <oxbffff> hmm man
[13:33] <TJ-> xshell: sounds like it, yes, the actual config prompts are done by dpkg not apt, and you're passing options to dpkg to control that
[13:34] <dragosdrgm12> help me
[13:34] <dragosdrgm12> how to host servers for games
[13:34] <xshell> TJ-: yes there are there option (for replacing --force-yes) --allow-downgrades, --allow-remove-essential, --allow-change-held-packages
[13:34] <augustin6584> alkisg: it worked
[13:34] <alkisg> Nice
[13:34] <dragosdrgm12> how?? to host games server
[13:34] <dragosdrgm12> please
[13:34] <matglas> dragosdrgm12, can you be more specific?
[13:35] <dragosdrgm12> i make gta server and i don't know how to host from ubuntu
[13:35] <xshell> TJ-: sorry, I'm more of a CentOS guy and never faced such issues there in upgrade system (automatically via chef) . .
[13:35] <dragosdrgm12> can you help me
[13:35] <dragosdrgm12> ?
[13:36] <dragosdrgm12> please?
[13:36] <matglas> dragosdrgm12, well its kind of a general question. Like what would be a good computer to buy
[13:36] <TJ-> dragosdrgm12: each time you visit the channel you ask questions which are not Ubuntu support matters. The specifics of hosting some non-Ubuntu software is not something we can support.
[13:36] <TJ-> xshell: let me look, those don't really sound like true replacements do they
[13:36] <matglas> dragosdrgm12, maybe you could give some context.
[13:37] <matglas> make things more specific
[13:37] <xshell> TJ-: yes they don't seem to be
[13:37] <TJ-> xshell: actually, try it without --force-yes, it may not be necessary!
[13:38] <TJ-> xshell: seeing as the conf  activity is done by dpkg and you've passed it the required options
[13:39] <qin> hello
[13:39] <xshell> TJ-: let me try without --force-yes
[13:39] <xshell> and also I've to export the non-interactive using something like "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive"
[13:40] <xshell> before the commands, only than they run non-interactively
[13:40] <TJ-> xshell: in case you're unaware, 'dpkg' handles just Debian PacKaGes, whereas 'apt' Advanced Packaging Tool deals with maintaining lists of packages from archives and fetching them, and managing inter-package dependencies
[13:41] <slipttees> Good morning guys
[13:41] <xshell> TJ-: it worked without --force-yes . .
[13:41] <xshell> :)
[13:42] <slipttees> i try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y" and i have some errors "grub2 install" error it's not a directory" any help fix it?
[13:42] <alkisg> slipttees: put all of the upgrade process including the errors to pastebin
[13:43] <slipttees> alkisg: okay bro
[13:43] <dreamer> hi all, after just running the full updates for meltdown on my 16.04 machine a simply 'vagrant up' now freezes the entire computer. I haven't tried running another kernel yet but is anyone aware of any issues like this?
[13:43] <xshell> TJ-: woudl request if you can explain this command for me:) "Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold""
[13:43] <xshell> just thinking what it does
[13:45] <slipttees> paste: pastebin.ubuntu.com/26366223/
[13:46] <alkisg> slipttees: what's the output of this command? sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en update-grub
[13:47] <TJ-> xshell: apt uses those options to control the options to  underlying calls to the 'dpkg' tool - see "man 4 apt.conf" and search for "dpkg"
[13:48] <slipttees> alkisg: output Generation grub configuration file... grub-probe: error: not a directory
[13:48] <TJ-> xshell: "force-confdef" = "force config default" "force-confold" = "force old (existing) config
[13:48] <alkisg> slipttees: again, use pastebin
[13:48] <TJ-> xshell: "man 5 apt.conf" even!
[13:48] <slipttees> alkisg: thats all output
[13:48] <alkisg> slipttees: also include this: ls -lhaR /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:49] <slipttees> alkisg: termbin.com/1xpp
[13:50] <TJ-> alkisg: I think we're going to see a lot of slipttees issue with this rapid PTI-indiced kernel upgrades due to /boot/ running out of space
[13:51] <alkisg> TJ-: you think this is an "out of space" issue? It doesn't seem so... slipttees, what's the output of `df -h | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
[13:52] <TJ-> alkisg: not this one in particular, but I wouldn't be surprised, but already seen several due to the PTI releases :)
[13:53] <slipttees> alkisg: termbin.com/ppj0
[13:53] <TJ-> alkisg: I've switched initramfs-tools to MODULES=dep rather the =most to keep the initrd.img sizes under control
[13:53] <slipttees> alkisg: clean install here
[13:53] <alkisg> TJ-: you can also remove plymouth and a few others if you want to make it really small :)
[13:54] <alkisg> slipttees: sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en strace -e trace=file update-grub 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:54] <TJ-> alkisg: plymouth-splash but not plymouth
[13:55] <alkisg> TJ-: it's been a long time, but I believe i did remove plymouth and all the related font dependencies
[13:55] <zamba> what does the output of systemctl status <unit> mean?
[13:55] <zamba> for CPU and Memory? is that the total amount of memory it's currently consuming?
[13:55] <zamba> or a tally?
[13:55] <alkisg> TJ-: there's a FRAMEBUFFER=y that needs to be removed somewhere in the initramfs-hooks or scripts...
[13:55] <TJ-> alkisg: plymouth is hooked into all input during initrd processing now
[13:55] <alkisg> TJ-: I tried that on 16.04, I don't know about newer releases
[13:56] <TJ-> alkisg: the main issue I was dealing with was no need to have almost every kernel module copied into the initrd, only the ones required to boot
[13:57] <slipttees> alkisg: http://termbin.com/7blf
[13:57] <alkisg> TJ-: I was trying to boot with as little ram as possible. The default needed 160 mb ram, I think I got it down to 48...
[13:57] <alkisg> :)
[13:57] <TJ-> alkisg: ahhh, the good old days!
[13:58] <alkisg> Thin clients can run well with e.g. 128 mb ram, but the default initramfs doesn't fit there :D
[13:58] <alkisg> I got xorg running with less than 20 MB RAM in use
[13:58] <alkisg> slipttees: sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en strace -fe trace=file update-grub 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:58] <alkisg> I added an "f" there
[14:00] <slipttees> alkisg: http://termbin.com/ymr7
[14:00] <slipttees> alkisg: i see 'f'
[14:01] <alkisg> slipttees: eh, that was too long and termbin truncated it
[14:01] <alkisg> Another one:
[14:01] <alkisg> slipttees: sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en strace -fe trace=file update-grub 2>&1 | tail -n 200 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:01] <hateball> alkisg: if for translation purposes, I personally use "LC_ALL=C" since it's shorter to type :o
[14:01] <TJ-> alkisg: It looks like /etc/grub.d/00_header::check_writable() is failing
[14:02] <slipttees> alkisg: http://termbin.com/qgv5
[14:02] <alkisg> hateball: non utf8 locales sometimes break sripts
[14:02] <alkisg> *scripts
[14:02] <mopdprobe> LFENCE or not?
[14:02] <mopdprobe> Should I defend against spectre variant 1 will LFENCE?
[14:03] <loginoob> so I have setup my JAVA_HOME and java -version command is giving me openjdk version. But javac command us not working
[14:03] <alkisg> slipttees: sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:03] <mopdprobe> should I defend against spectre variant 2 with retpoline?
[14:03] <loginoob> I also did update-alternatives --config java and the path it gives me that is what i have setup in my JAVA_HOME
[14:04] <alkisg> TJ-: it seems to me that it's searching for sda5 which doesn't exist
[14:04] <slipttees> alkisg: http://termbin.com/uar9
[14:04] <loginoob> still javac -version command is not running
[14:04] <TJ-> alkisg: sda5 exists, "access("/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/sda5/uevent", F_OK) = 0"
[14:06] <loginoob> please someone address my problem
[14:07] <alkisg> slipttees: does this help? sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[14:07] <slipttees> alkisg: package is broken
[14:08] <slipttees> alkisg: --configure  -a same problem
[14:08] <alkisg> slipttees: cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:11] <TJ-> alkisg: how about adding verbose logging to grub-probe calls, using "sed -ri 's/(grub[-_]probe)/\1 -v/' /etc/grub.d/00_header" ?
[14:12]  * alkisg was thinking to put a set -x on top of it...
[14:12] <TJ-> alkisg: it looks like a probing issue, but set -x will help too, although may need one in /usr/lb/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib, too
[14:13] <TJ-> alkisg: I was doing just this yesterday :D
[14:13] <alkisg> TJ-: haha, feel free to pick this up too :D
[14:13] <raub> TJ-, zomaar_: I am back. http://pastebin.centos.org/492391/ shows the output of ifup -va.
[14:13] <TJ-> alkisg: actually.. Huskies just called, I have to go run them into the ground :)
[14:13] <slipttees> alkisg: http://termbin.com/c8c2
[14:14] <raub> Line 25 is when it barks. br0 existed and someone else wanted to create it again?
[14:14] <TJ-> raub: did you remove the br0 before running that?
[14:14] <alkisg> slipttees: did you say this is a fresh install?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> TJ-, huskies ?
[14:15] <raub> zomaar_: I think the solution is what you suggested: blow br0 and recreate it. But I just want to know who did it
[14:15] <raub> TJ-: Oops. Not yet. I was hoping it would fail gracefully. Lemme blow it up
[14:16] <TJ-> raub: with br0 removed ifup -a should be OK, so if it fails on boot it suggests *something else* is creating br0 first (looking at you, systemd :p)
[14:17] <slipttees> alkisg: yes
[14:17] <slipttees> alkisg: my brother maybe use it... i have password
[14:17] <alkisg> slipttees: I don't have much time, do you mind if we do that over screen sharing with vnc?
[14:18] <alkisg> (or if someone else can continue with this...)
[14:19] <slipttees> alkisg: teamviewerw
[14:19] <alkisg> slipttees: no need, sudo apt --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[14:21] <slipttees> alkisg: ok
[14:22] <ppf> assume i made a mistake configuring /etc/default/keyboard. what log would that show up in?
[14:24] <Caribou> Hello, I'm trying to find out if someone has been able to install Ubuntu on recent Macbooks that have keyboard @ trackpads hooked to SPI
[14:24] <Caribou> when starting the installl, both are inactive and the installation is impossible
[14:25] <EriC^^> !mac | Caribou maybe you can find something here?
[14:26] <Caribou> EriC^^: thanks, I'll look at this
[14:27] <raub> TJ-, zomaar_: Here is me deleting it and then bringing it back up: http://pastebin.centos.org/492396/
[14:28] <EriC^^> Caribou: no problem
[14:28] <raub> Is it me or in line 12 the ifdown deleted br0?
[14:29] <slipttees> alkisg: how fix it?
[14:29] <TJ-> raub: aha! You seem to have the ubuntu/canonical 'fan' installed
[14:29] <raub> What is it? Sounds like fan controller thingie?
[14:30] <raub> I used something else in centos
[14:30] <TJ-> raub: It's a Caonical designed fan-out network structure
[14:30] <raub> Oh
[14:30] <raub> I don't need it. Don't know how it got installed.
[14:31] <alkisg> slipttees: I haven't fixed it, grub-probe still fails, I only hide it for a while for apt to work
[14:31] <raub> But, I see that could be the bad guy here
[14:31] <TJ-> raub: But, it looks like that system has /etc/network/if-uo.d/ubuntu-fan script installed but not the binary /usr/sbin/fanctl
[14:31] <TJ-> raub: hang on, let me check which package provide those
[14:32] <TJ-> raub: right, both are installed by "ubuntu-fan" but it seems you've removed/damaged /usr/sbin/fanctl. Check if it exists and is executable
[14:33] <TJ-> raub: failing that "sudo apt --reinstall install ubuntu-fan"
[14:33] <raub> TJ-: dpkg -s /etc/network/if-up.d/ubuntu-fan does not like me
[14:34] <raub> Ah, wrong S: ubuntu-fan: /etc/network/if-up.d/ubuntu-fan
[14:34] <alkisg> slipttees, TJ-, everyone: so, the problem is that `grub-probe --target=fs /boot/grub` returns "error: not a directory", even after reinstalling grub, or even if trying with / instead of /boot/grub
[14:35] <raub> TJ-: You type faster than me ;)
[14:35] <alkisg> slipttees: hm, although, with /home, it works; it sounds like something's wrong with your /
[14:35] <TJ-> alkisg: is /boot/ a separate FS?
[14:35] <alkisg> No, just / and /home
[14:36] <alkisg> ...and swap
[14:36] <TJ-> alkisg: is there an ACL set on /boot/grub/
[14:36] <TJ-> alkisg: assuming /boot/grub/ is generally readable/writeable ?
[14:36] <raub> TJ-, zomaar_: much happier now. So ubuntu-fan was the guilty party
[14:36] <alkisg> TJ-: it fails with any dir under /, e.g. /tmp
[14:36] <TJ-> raub: indeed, the verbose logging is a life-saver sometimes
[14:37] <alkisg> TJ-: e.g. mkdir /test; grub-probe --target=fs /test => fails
[14:37] <TJ-> alkisg: so broken file-system metadata... did someone "dd of=/dev/sda5 ..." by mistake I wonder
[14:37] <raub> I do agree. And as a bit of a snide, that is one thing I do wish at time windows had
[14:37] <alkisg> slipttees: do you have a live cd to boot from, and fsck your /?
[14:38] <slipttees> alkisg: yes.
[14:38] <TJ-> raub: it was a big reason for me dropping Windows entirely in 2004, that plus no access to source to be able to fix bugs
[14:39] <slipttees> alkisg: wrong install?
[14:39] <TJ-> alkisg: anything in dmseg / kern.log ?
[14:40] <TJ-> alkisg: if the FS mounted without issue and kernel doesn't show I/O errors something overwrote the FS metadata/superblocks at some point, it would seem
[14:41] <raub> TJ-: I wish I could do that at my current work, but they sure like Windows. At least I can run Linux here and there
[14:41] <raub> I wonder if I need to restar all the guests and/or libvirt
[14:42] <alkisg> TJ-: nothing that I can see. termbin.com/srpo
[14:42] <TJ-> raub: not sure on that one. Were they using br0 ? I didn't see any other virtual eth devices attached
[14:42] <alkisg> slipttees: I think you should use the live cd :/
[14:42] <raub> TJ-: Yep
[14:43] <slipttees> alkisg: yes... now
[14:43] <raub> let me first see what systemctl tells me
[14:43] <TJ-> alkisg: possibly kill-inducing test: "mount -o remount,rw /" - does it choke on that?
[14:43] <alkisg> He restarted
[14:43] <slipttees> alkisg: fsck /?
[14:44] <alkisg> slipttees: from the live cd you would start with sudo fsck /dev/sda5
[14:44] <alkisg> fsck -f /dev/sda5
[14:44] <slipttees> alkisg: okay man
[14:44] <TJ-> alkisg: what's with the 4 zram nodes being created?
[14:45] <cpaelzer> raub: I think there was a recent fix for that
[14:45] <cpaelzer> raub: note ubuntu-fan is a way to get more networks
[14:45] <cpaelzer> raub: FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FanNetworking
[14:46] <cpaelzer> seems related enough that it could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1737640
[14:46] <slipttees> alkisg: /dev/sda5 clean, 220664/1831424 files, 1915337/7323904 blocks
[14:46] <cpaelzer> while you are not running into the same error it could be something similar to e.g. let the hook fail after the remove
[14:47] <TJ-> alkisg: good look :)
[14:47] <cpaelzer> raub: if you don't mind I'd ask you to report your case at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-fan/+filebug
[14:48] <V7> Is it possible to check if cut command is insatlled without calling it ?
[14:48] <V7> Which package is it ?
[14:48] <V7> coreutils ?
[14:48] <V7> How to check if this package is intstalled on system ?
[14:48] <cpaelzer> well - looking more in detail at your error message it almost seems it really didn't find the binary
[14:49] <cpaelzer> which is a script actually, but well
[14:49] <Pici> V7: coreutils is installed on all Ubuntu systems
[14:49] <V7> Yes, but how to check ?
[14:50] <slipttees> alkisg: maybe reinstall solve
[14:50] <alkisg> slipttees: good idea, also tell ubuntu to format the whole disk so that it fixes any partition issues
[14:50] <slipttees> alkisg: yes
[14:51] <cpaelzer> raub: oh I see how that happened
[14:51] <cpaelzer> I'll file a bug for you
[14:52] <Pici> V7: for ubuntu, you could check if cut exists at /usr/bin/cut, but if you want to see if cut exists at anywhere in the $PATH, see http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/081
[14:53] <Pici> V7: also #bash and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ are great resources for bash scripting, which is what I assume you're doing.
[14:54] <V7> )) Thank you Pici
[14:57] <cpaelzer> raub: filed bug 1742712
[14:58] <V7> How to check which command, i.e. kill uses which package ?
[14:58] <V7> I.e. ls or cut, cat are from coreutils, but what about kill or ifconfig ?
[14:58] <geirha> kill is a shell builtin
[14:59] <V7> geirha: So how then check if kill command exists ?
[14:59] <Pici> V7: dpkg -S $(which cut)   or if you don't have the package installed look at apt-file (you'll need to install it from the repos)
[14:59] <geirha> V7: As it's a builtin, it will always exist
[15:00] <V7> geirha: you're 1000% sure that it always exist ?
[15:00] <hggdh> actually kill is procps
[15:01] <geirha> V7: no, I'm 100% sure. The other 0.001% is when the user is doing something extremely weird, like disabling the kill builtin. There's no point in guarding against such actions though
[15:01] <geirha> hggdh: yes, there's also an external kill command
[15:01] <V7> geirha: So in case of this point it's should be checked
[15:01] <V7> Isn't it ?
[15:01] <geirha> V7: Use the type command at the start of your script, with a list of all the commands your script requires. E.g.   type curl jq recode >/dev/null || exit
[15:02] <geirha> V7: Well, if someone has gone to the extreme length of disabling a builtin, they might have disabled the builtins you need to check if kill exists too ... you can't win that fight, and there's no point in being that thorough
[15:03] <V7> ))
[15:03] <V7> Thank you geirha very much
[15:03] <geirha> but if it makes you feel better, you can add it to your list of commands for the type builtin to check
[15:03] <V7> very much geirha *
[15:04] <geirha> There's also not much point in checking the existance of standard commands like cut and cat; I generally only check for the non-standard commands my script requires
[15:07] <geirha> (if standard commands like cut and cat are missing, your script is far from the only script that will fail horribly)
[15:15] <zomaar> raub: The deleting was just a quick thing that would be it, as I had something weird like that once
[15:15] <zomaar> raub: But I'm glad you got it sorted
[15:15] <zomaar> *could
[15:17] <xtron> getting lightdm 1.18.3 crash due to SIGHUP issue, want to update to 1.19. can someone tell me how?
[15:18] <xpoliceman> comment connaitre les ports ouvert sur ubuntu
[15:19] <hggdh> xpoliceman: pas de français ici, nous parlons anglais.
[15:21] <xpoliceman> je ne parle pas bien l'anglais car suis coloniser par la france
[15:21] <Pici> !fr | xpoliceman
[15:24] <zomaar> xpoliceman: sudo netstat -tlp
[15:24] <xpoliceman> ok thank you.
[15:24] <coffeeguy> hi installed the new patch for the  kpti and now my ubuntu install freezes sometimes with the harddrive working sometimes not. I'm running minergate and a ip cam and this chat... i'm thinking i've reached the crusp of my performance?
[15:25] <coffeeguy> it's not a mission critical install of ubuntu. i could download a fresh usb media of ubuntu and reinstall?
[15:27] <coffeeguy> !kpti
[15:27] <caudi> !nopti
[15:28] <`ajven> Hello, its possible to install ubuntu without preinstalled DE, office package and rest usless software ?
[15:28] <coffeeguy> that's probably it "significant performance issues
[15:28] <zomaar> `ajven: ubuntu-server
[15:28] <coffeeguy> i'm using a platter hard drive too
[15:28] <beaver> !netinstall | `ajven
[15:30] <zomaar> coffeeguy: I would doubt it, there is probably a real issue, better revert back
[15:30] <coffeeguy> ok
[15:30] <zomaar> coffeeguy: Or try that nopti flag first
[15:31] <`ajven> beaver, thank you for link, i see netinstall but if i will install DE using meta package like i dont know cinnamon it wont install me tons of useless depedencies like openoffice ?
[15:31] <zomaar> coffeeguy: by significant they don't mean something more than 15% at max
[15:32] <coffeeguy> i was probably running system resources pretty high to begin with so i think 15% would make a diff. mining alt coin
[15:32] <zomaar> coffeeguy: And only if you do something explicitly kernel-heavy
[15:32] <beaver> `ajven: exactly
[15:33] <`ajven> beaver, thank you very much
[15:33] <coffeeguy> it's no biggy to reinstall, just want to know if the download page has the patched current version
[15:34] <zomaar> `ajven: http://termbin.com/jou8
[15:34] <zomaar> `ajven: rdepends of cinnamon-desktop-environment
[15:35] <`ajven> zomaar, damn a lot of usless pacakges also :/
[15:35] <`ajven> so best way is to install cinnamon core
[15:37] <zomaar> `ajven: I guess and cinnamon
[15:37] <zomaar> Oh that's already in it
[15:51] <zomaar> coffeeguy: Don't have the answer to that, but you can also revert to a previous patch, also if you install fresh
[15:58] <charvijain16_> HI
[15:58] <charvijain16_> I am new to IRC
[15:58] <xpoliceman> welcome
[15:59] <gregl> I have a gforce 9500 I want to use the nvidia driver,but in the past the instillation would trash my system,, I have searched the Internet,but I keep coming up short.. Would anyone have any suggestions?
[15:59] <charvijain16_> anyone willing to guide me for artificial intelligence
[16:00] <charvijain16_> ?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> gregl, sudo ubuntu-drivers list, this should show the correct avialble drivers for your gpu
[16:03] <BluesKaj> available even
[16:05] <gregl> BluesKaj, Yeah, I have done that,but every time I try to install it boots to a black screen and as you know it's very hard to recover from that.. !6.04 works fine,but not 17.10... I run xorg not waylan so I think it should work..
[16:06] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | gregl
[16:07] <gregl> Thanks for that.. I will check it out
[16:09] <esch> hello all, I'm installing server 13.04 on a machine, and the ehternet drivers are not installed/detected so I cannot configure network during install. I was able to download a tarball with the drivers, but I can't install because 'make' is not installed
[16:10] <esch> how can I install make without apt-get being available?
[16:10] <electricmilk> esch, You can download the .deb file and use dpkg -i
[16:11] <esch> electricmilk: will I need to worry about dependancies? or will the .deb file be enough?
[16:11] <kostkon> esch, 13.04 is not supported anymore
[16:11] <xpoliceman>  bonjour j'ai un souci je n'arrive pas installe JDK sur Netbeans pour les developpements android que dois je faire merci d'avance
[16:12] <kostkon> !fr | xpoliceman
[16:12] <electricmilk> esch, It will tell you what dependencies are missing. I really don't know though
[16:13] <esch> kostkon: yeah I know, I'm using the machine for ROS, the package I'm using and ultimately the ROS installation supports 13.04
[16:13] <esch> electricmilk: gotcha, thanks
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> Can someone help me, my disk space is shrinking rapidly
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> I went from a couple of gigs to 648 mb
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> in a couple of minututes
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> my log file is getting bigger and bigger
[16:15] <esch> hm actually I wonder if I should try installing the nonfree firmware .deb first
[16:15] <slipttees> alkisg: Back... install again
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> 30 gb is rigt now
[16:16] <za1b1tsu> 30 gb is rigt now
[16:20] <ickefes> i have a laptop with windows installed on a UEFI installation and the drive is sda. I want to make an image of this one so I can restore it if I change my mind. Is it enough to do "dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/save/sda_disk.iso" ?
[16:21] <za1b1tsu> Jan 10 11:13:25 bogdan-X541UAK kernel: [   66.336429] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Physical Layer, id=00e5(Receiver ID)
[16:22] <za1b1tsu> my log file is keep getting bigger and bigger
[16:22] <za1b1tsu> 19gb
[16:27] <Neo4> what grep comand does ?
[16:27] <Neo4> http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1515688008.png
[16:27] <Neo4> grep -r GMW_Form_Init * this is used for search in folder?
[16:27] <akik> Neo4: grep finds text for you
[16:27] <Neo4> what there star means?
[16:28] <Neo4> *
[16:28] <Neo4> grep text * ???
[16:28] <akik> Neo4: * is for all files
[16:28] <akik> Neo4: -r is for recursive so it goes through all the sub dirs too
[16:28] <Neo4> in all files where exists that phrase
[16:28] <Neo4> understood
[16:28] <leftyfb> Neo4: http://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/linux/common-linux-commands/
[16:29] <Neo4> grep [options] pattern [filesname]
[16:30] <Neo4> option -4 pater is text and filesname is *
[16:30] <Neo4> and pater can be regular expression?
[16:30] <leftyfb> Neo4: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-use-grep-command-in-linux-unix/
[16:31] <Neo4> grep -r /d{3} * it should be find 3 digits near
[16:32] <Neo4> this nice http://www.robelle.com/smugbook/regexpr.html
[16:33] <Neo4> I know regular expression well
[16:33] <nacc> Neo4: perhaps you want to read `man grep`.
[16:33] <Neo4> in general this 'grep' is used for fast seek files
[16:35] <stephen101> got this weird error on last reboot
[16:35] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmc1ebS8XoCYxVhH3
[16:35] <slipttees> alkisg: Hi bro?
[16:37] <stephen101> says bug. softlockup of cpu2.
[16:37] <Neo4> stephen101: probably CPU is broken )
[16:38] <stephen101> when i tried to get terminal ctrl alt f3 same error continued, had to force the power button
[16:38] <stephen101> its working in top atm...?
[16:38] <stephen101> btw i dont have cpu2
[16:39] <stephen101> Tasks: 195 total,   3 running, 192 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[16:39] <stephen101> %Cpu0  :  6.7 us,  2.3 sy,  0.0 ni, 90.6 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.3 si,  0.0 st
[16:39] <stephen101> %Cpu1  :  7.3 us,  1.4 sy,  0.0 ni, 88.9 id,  1.7 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.7 si,  0.0 st
[16:40] <nacc> stephen101: grep -c '^processor' /proc/cpuinfo
[16:41] <stephen101> nothin on that command
[16:44] <stephen101> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26366917/
[16:45] <stephen101> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26366921/
[16:52] <slipttees> alkisg: clean install and now works without problem :-)
[16:52] <slipttees> alkisg: change partition scheme
[16:54] <whitebeast> Im not sure why but i cannot login to any user.. The screen just goes black and askes for the password again.. Any ideas on how to resolve this?
[16:54] <slipttees> alkisg: thx for u time bro...
[16:58] <stephen101> i had same exact issue other day. i had to open terminal and do distro update.
[16:58] <BluesKaj> whitebeast, have you tried the recovery kernel in grub, then using the "repair' option in the dialog?
[16:59] <stephen101> and following remove nvidia driver and reinstall. came after some system updates from ubuntu.
[16:59] <whitebeast> How do i get to the options? My system boots quickly
[17:00] <stephen101> clt alt f3 gets you to command
[17:00] <whitebeast> Is 16.04 still lts?
[17:00] <dabba> yep
[17:01] <stephen101> think mine updated to 16.04.1
[17:01] <dabba> i'm on 16.04.3
[17:01] <zomaar> esch: did you have your solution?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> whitebeast, hold the left shiftkey down to see the grub bootloader right after the POST page
[17:02] <esch> zomaar: was able to get make installed by redoing the installation and selecting packages manually, now I'm working on getting the driver installed
[17:03] <esch> got to the point where I am trying to load the module with modprobe, it loads but still no ethernet interface
[17:03] <BluesKaj> anyway too many cooks ...bbl
[17:03] <esch> following their readme https://downloadmirror.intel.com/15817/eng/readme.txt
[17:03] <whitebeast> Thanks you guys
[17:05] <esch> where it says to run 'modprobe <e1000e> [parameter=port1_value]' I am assuming that the command ends up being 'modprobe e1000e' but how do I specify the port as eth0?
[17:05] <esch> I tried parameter=eth0 but it didn't work
[17:06] <akik> esch: they're set in /etc/modprobe.d
[17:07] <qwip> By mistake while being in su (root) mode in /root/etc/ I issued the command rmdir *
[17:07] <esch> so load module via modprobe then go to /etc/modprobe.d and set?
[17:07] <akik> esch: e.g. create e1000e.conf and put in there "options e10001 ..."
[17:07] <esch> ah
[17:07] <akik> esch: when the module is loaded, it'll get the options from that file
[17:07] <TJ-> stephen101: will the system reboot into an older kernel so you can capture logs?
[17:08] <esch> oh I see, I wonder why their readme doesn't have me make a conf first
[17:08] <esch> thanks akik
[17:09] <qwip> Help! By mistake while being in su (root) mode in /root/etc/ I issued the command rmdir *. and some folders got deleted. what to do?
[17:10] <stephen101> anyone have any ideas how to fix screen tearing? happens randomly mainly when i open files in gedit
[17:10] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/yNIR0fw8sBfP9kQM2
[17:10] <stephen101> the photo ss shows the issue.
[17:11] <TJ-> qwip: "rmdir" only works on empty directories
[17:12] <qwip> TJ-, sure? i think I deletes the folder if it does not contain any folder
[17:12] <qwip> not sure though
[17:13] <qwip> ahh, thanks for reminding me. so I am safe. TJ-
[17:14] <TJ-> esch: the format for options is "options e1000e <parameter>=<value for port1>[,<value for port 2>[,<value for port 3>]]
[17:16] <TJ-> esch: e.g: "options e1000e InterruptThrottleRate=16000,16000"
[17:17] <esch> TJ-: yeah I saw that example in the readme, but I'm still unclear on how to set the interface.. I don't that "option" name listed
[17:17] <esch> sorry if I'm being a bit dense I'm just not familiar with this
[17:18] <TJ-> esch: you don't have to specify paramters, those are if you need to alter the default values (for tuning performance)
[17:19] <esch> TJ-: sure that makes sense, but when I try and load the module using 'modprobe e1000e' it does not "create" an interface
[17:19] <TJ-> esch: what does "dmesg" show?
[17:19] <gregl> BluesKaj,  Earlier you helped me out with a nvidia driver problem... With the info you provided I can report success.. Thanks for your time..
[17:20] <shazbotmcnasty> hey there - running ubuntu 16.04 mate, trying to make a SMB share that's available to 'everyone' and 'anonymous logon' to a specific location like "\\fog\deployment\images\windows\Win7\pro\" -- does anyone have a good place to start?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> gregl, np :-)
[17:20] <TJ-> !cookie BluesKaj
[17:20]  * TJ- pokes ubottu
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Hey TJ- :-)
[17:21] <esch> TJ-: not currently on that machine and there's no network access so I can't copy/paste anywhere. eth0 does show up, but there are errors
[17:21] <esch> sec I'll just take a picture and upload
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !samba | shazbotmcnasty
[17:22] <stephen101> smb share transfers are slow between windows and ubuntu
[17:22] <stephen101> unsecure ftp if sharing only inside your network has faster transfers
[17:23] <stephen101> ftp can be mounted just as easy as smb within windows
[17:23] <esch> TJ-: https://i.imgur.com/RwXIVI5.jpg
[17:24] <shazbotmcnasty> stephen101: so it wouldn't make much sense to have windows deployment images being shared from a linux machine? That's what my intention is.
[17:25] <shazbotmcnasty> I can put them on a windows server - i would just prefer my pxe server and my windows deployement server to be the same machine.
[17:26] <stephen101> idk i didnt have much luck using smb, it was slow.
[17:27] <stephen101> i think maxed speed was like around 2mbs
[17:27] <V7> Hey all :)
[17:28] <V7> So tput is from ncurses package, but I might don't have this one, but why then tput exists ?
[17:30] <akik> stephen101: samba can do faster than that. i'm currently transferring at 7 MiB/s over wireless
[17:30] <brainwash> V7: what?
[17:30] <brainwash> V7: package name is ncurses-bin
[17:31] <stephen101> i was also using cat5 both machines
[17:31] <stephen101> ftp went to around 25mbs
[17:32] <jacko115> TJ-: After a reporting the bug report on Gnome, they pointed the finger at Dash. I installed vanilla gnome and didn't have the issue (gnome crash when only monitor is disconnected https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792428)
[17:32] <V7> oh
[17:33] <V7> brainwash: How to check which command for which packet ?
[17:33] <V7> package *
[17:33] <akik> stephen101: do you mean megabits per second?
[17:33] <stephen101> yes MiB/s
[17:33] <brainwash> V7: dpkg -S tput
[17:33] <akik> stephen101: that's mibibytes per second
[17:33] <V7> Why mEgabytes are MiBs ?
[17:34] <nicomachus> V7: not on topic for this channel, feel free to google it.
[17:34] <V7> Thank you very much brainwash
[17:34] <V7> Roger that nicomachus, sorry
[17:35] <stephen101> the transfer speed smb v. ftp from ubuntu to my windows 10 machine was like night and day
[17:36] <bnason> Is there any way to ungroup windows in the dock in 17.10?
[17:37] <bnason> Or a replacement dock that you can do that in?
[17:40] <TJ-> esch: seems pretty clear: you've specified something called 'parameter' as a parameter but there is no parameter called 'parameter' !
[17:40] <esch> TJ-: yeah was just unclear when I was trying to follow the readme, I've done modprobe -r e1000e but it doesn't get rid of that stuff
[17:41] <esch> I've never used modprobe before so I'm sort of blind here
[17:41] <TJ-> esch: you've got some bad entries in the config file you're created
[17:41] <esch> where would this config file be?
[17:42] <esch> it's not in modprobe.d
[17:42] <TJ-> esch: didn't you create a file containing the options - I thought that was what you were doing
[17:43] <esch> no, it was suggested and I went to do that but there's nothing about doing a config file on their readme, so again I'm blind and sort of guessing
[17:44] <esch> TJ-: when I installed the ethernet hardware did not work so I had to compile/install them, and am getting stuck at loading the module and getting it to work
[17:44] <esch> installed meaning initial operating system install
[17:45] <TJ-> esch: did you edit /etc/modprobe.conf adding the entries they show under "Configuring the Driver on Different Distributions"? Because your photo shows errors that indicate it is finding those 2 'alias' and 1 'options' line
[17:45] <esch> there is no /etc/modprobe.conf
[17:46] <TJ-> esch: search with  "sudo grep -n 'alias eth0' /etc/"
[17:47] <esch> TJ-: grep doesn't like that, returns /etc/ is a directory
[17:48] <akik> TJ-: i told him to use /etc/modprobe.d/e1000e.conf
[17:48] <esch> akik: I did create that file and added alias eth0 e1000e but it generated an error and didn't do anything, and is probably what is causing some errors
[17:49] <akik> esch: the syntax needs to be correct for it to work
[17:49] <esch> i imagine so
[17:50] <soee_> anyoen able to run VB on 4.14 Kernel? I'm having this error https://pastebin.com/gx7MZ2pj
[17:50] <TJ-> esch: sorry, should be -rn not -n !
[17:50] <esch> TJ-: no worries, that query returns nothing
[17:51] <esch> or is that removing the entries
[17:51] <esch> (sorry I'm clearly not as competent as I thought I was... heh)
[17:51] <TJ-> esch: did you create a file or not? you just told akik you did, but a few moments ago you told me you didn't
[17:51] <esch> I would just man grep but man is not installed
[17:51] <esch> TJ-: i did but since it didn't work i removed it
[17:52] <esch> sorry for being unclear
[17:52] <TJ-> esch: OK, so those messages in the kernel log are from previous bad configs
[17:52] <esch> aah
[17:52] <TJ-> esch: "lsmod | grep e1000e"
[17:54] <esch> should I expect something to return there
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> soee_: there's an existing bug on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1639310
[17:54] <TJ-> esch: and why is the kernel version 3.8? That's not been supported in a long time
[17:54] <TJ-> esch: if the module is loaded, yes
[17:54] <TJ-> esch: if nothing was returned do "sudo modprobe e1000e" and then re-run the "lsmod | grep e1000e"
[17:55] <soee_> lotuspsychje: thanks, i just added myself as affecte
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> soee_: did you check dmesg also?
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> soee_: wich ubuntu are you on?
[17:58] <soee_> lotuspsychje: 16.04 (Neon)
[17:59] <soee_> btw (not VB related), is this error in dmesg any important: https://pastebin.com/0mBXQbhP ?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> soee_: how did you install kernel?
[18:00] <soee_> lotuspsychje: kernel is downloaded from mainline
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> soee_: did you try VB on previous kernels?
[18:01] <soee_> lotuspsychje: not yet, maybe ill try on 4.13
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial | soee_
[18:01] <esch> TJ-: I know, the intended use for this machine is for ROS, and the module I intend to use for ROS requires I use an older version and the latest version of ubuntu it supports is 13.04
[18:02] <esch> TJ-: lsmod | grep e1000e returns "e1000e 168510 0" and "ptp 18189 1 e1000e"
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> soee_: added other ppa's to your system?
[18:03] <riko> Yo.
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> riko: welcome, how can we help you?
[18:03] <soee_> lotuspsychje: ppa's with what? i have some but they are not related to kernels or vb
[18:03] <esch> TJ-: unfortunately I have to leave now for work, but I'll leave this session connected so if you have any further answers/advice it would be appreciated, and I will continue the work tomorrow
[18:03] <tatertots> riko: sup , do you have a issue technical in nature?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> soee_: well with ppa's added we cant possibly know what scrambled your system right
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> soee_: i suggest testing it on a vanilla ubuntu, then if you like try mainline .14
[18:05] <riko> How reply to user in IRC-client?
[18:05] <soee_> ill try 4.13 first, maybe the problem is that im on 4.14.8 not the latest 4.14 because they fail to run with nvidai propriety driver
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> soee_: also a thing you could test, graphics drivers
[18:06] <JonelethIrenicus> I installed the android sdk from the repos
[18:06] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i launch it
[18:06] <tatertots> riko: i don't know....personally what i do, is type the first few letters of a "username" and press tab
[18:06] <tatertots> riko: but that's more a habit picked up outside of IRC....it just happens to work for me "inside" irc as well YMMV
[18:07] <tatertots> YMMV= your mileage may vary
[18:07] <riko> tatertots, it works, yeah!
[18:09] <tatertots> riko: so that was your "technical" issue?...i put my coffee down for that? lol :)
[18:11] <riko> tatertots, i have no technical issues, all system works done. I join in this chat just for fun
[18:15] <xs2> hey might someone know why does xfce panel disappear, i.e. it gets covered by windows resized by xmonad? https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Config_archive/eschulte_xmonad.hs this is the config file
[18:15] <TJ-> esch: lsmod shows the module had loaded correctly so there will be interfaces you can configure, check with "ip link show" - probably they are named emX where X is a number
[18:20] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i download a deb file to my current directory?
[18:20] <mst89> change to directory then wget file.deb
[18:20] <deadbum> After installing linux-image-generic for the meltdown/spectre patched kernel (3.13.0-139-generic) when I reboot it's still selecting the old kernel version (3.13.0-100) for some reason. I have confirmed that /boot/grub/grub.cfg has the 3.13.0-139 version as the top kernel and /etc/default/grub:GRUB_DEFAULT=0  Anyone know why it wouldn't be booting the most recent kernel? Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[18:22] <JonelethIrenicus> mst89: but from the repos
[18:23] <itsme_> hi
[18:24] <TJ-> deadbum: at boot-time access the GRUB boot menu, highlight the first entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line starting "linux ..." and check which vmlinuz-<version> you see there, then boot that entry and use "uname -r" to ensure the running version matches what grub showed
[18:24] <JonelethIrenicus> i installed android-sdk but can't use the "sdkmanager"
[18:24] <JonelethIrenicus> is it called something else on ubuntu?
[18:25] <hodor123456> How can I know that my ubuntu 16.04 lts installation was correct?
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: when it boots?
[18:25] <TJ-> JonelethIrenicus: "apt-get --download-only install <package>" - packages will be in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:25] <deadbum> TJ-: this is a cloud instance so I don't have access to an interactive grub menu
[18:26] <deadbum> from what I understand it's supposed to boot the top kernel from /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[18:26] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, how did you install it
[18:26] <TJ-> deadbum: then presumably your provider has some way to configure the kernel to use
[18:26] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: thanks
[18:26] <JonelethIrenicus> kostkon: it is in the repos
[18:27] <deadbum> TJ-: considering I have hundreds to reboot into this new kernel filing a ticket for them to touch each one seems ill advised. Is there no way to specify the kernel to boot before rebooting?
[18:27] <deadbum> literally never encountered this before, normally I update a kernel package and that's that, it reboots into the newest one
[18:28] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: does that place the files into some directory?
[18:28] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, well, there's a better way, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[18:28] <TJ-> JonelethIrenicus: as I said, /var/cache/apt/aarchives/
[18:28] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, remove the one you've installed from the repos and use Ubuntu make to install the latest version of the sdk
[18:29] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: oh sorry didn't catch tthat
[18:29] <TJ-> deadbum: so you don't have any net-console access ?
[18:29] <JonelethIrenicus> kostkon: ok
[18:29] <deadbum> TJ-: correct, I can only reach it once it's booted and ssh is up. I could have the provider manually intervene but that won't work for hundreds of machines.
[18:30] <hodor123456> lotuspsychje: It booted well,internet is working,but when I am trying 'ping google.com' or anything.It just saying 'Unknown host'.Where maybe the problem is?
[18:30] <TJ-> deadbum: what hypervisor is it, do you know? KVM maybe? I'm trying to think of explanations for what you're seeing
[18:30] <JonelethIrenicus> kostkon: that is useful
[18:30] <elia> and for CW ? c'è qualcuno che fa telegrafia ?????
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> hodor123456: wifi or cable?
[18:30] <kostkon> JonelethIrenicus, yeap
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> !it | elia
[18:31] <deadbum> TJ-: it's AWS, so Xen I believe
[18:33] <TJ-> deadbum: this article seems to deal with at including showing how to enable grub console: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/UserProvidedKernels.html
[18:34] <TJ-> deadbum: pay particular attention to the sentence "GRUB can fall back to another kernel in the event that the new kernel fails. "
[18:34] <deadbum> TJ-: ah ok. That is disconcerting considering this is the only LTS kernel that addresses meltdown/spectre.
[18:34] <deadbum> for 14.04
[18:35] <TJ-> deadbum: we've had several iterations to fix bugs so far; you may have hit another. If you can identify it via enabling the GRUB console to collect evidence, join #ubuntu-kernel and report it as a bug too, it'll be acted on almost immediately
[18:36] <deadbum> ok, I'll see what I can do. Thanks
[18:50] <jer> i'm getting an error from grub when trying to boot windows that file /grub/x86_64-efi/ntldr.mod is not found... yes the file doesn't exist, but not sure where to get it from
[18:51] <jer> (or how do i generate it?)
[18:52] <TJ-> jer: it would be installed by "grub-install"
[18:52] <TJ-> jer: you'll need to tell grub-install where to install to, check the man-page
[18:53] <jer> TJ-, so windows and linux are on separate drives, and i don't want to blow away the windows bootloader on the second drive (because it shouldn't be needed) -- so i can't install grub on that drive; unless i'm misunderstanding
[18:55] <TJ-> jer: grub-install will install the GRUB EFI loader (/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi) and all it's own modules under /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/ - check the latter directory now, you should see a lot of *.mod (module) files
[18:55] <jer> TJ-, i do, i do not have ntldr.mod tho
[18:58] <TJ-> jer: ooooo nice bug you've found, I think. That file exists in the grub-pc (i386) BIOS package but not the grub-efi (x86_64-efi) EFI package
[18:58] <jer> ah
[18:58] <alkisg> I don't think you can load ntldr from efi
[18:58] <jer> so i guess my only option at the moment is to either figure out the chainloading paths, or switch boot priority in my bios? =]
[18:58] <alkisg> ntldr requires bios
[18:58] <jer> alkisg, oh?
[18:58] <alkisg> AFAIK, yes
[18:58] <TJ-> jer: presumably because with EFI the firmware should be loading Windows from its boot menu, not GRUB
[18:58] <jer> ok that makes sense
[18:59] <shazbotmcnasty> hey so i've got that smb share set up on ubuntu - sharing out a folder with installer files in it, but i cannot run them from a windows computer, it says that we don't have permission (from the destination computer) - how do I give everyone read/execute rights to everything in a folge
[18:59] <alkisg> you can load the windows efi loader, but not ntldr
[18:59] <shazbotmcnasty> folder **
[18:59] <TJ-> jer: on EFI the motherboard maintains a list of OSes and where their boot-loaders are
[19:00] <TJ-> jer: so I guess there's a hot-key at boot to open the manual boot menu so you can select a non-default entry
[19:00] <TJ-> alkisg: so long since I messed with Windows!
[19:01] <jer> heh me too =]
[19:01] <jer> need to test some code on windows though, so... figured i should set this up properly instead of just switching in the bios every time
[19:01] <Radkos> hello can you please help me with info about shutting down ubuntu 14.04 with grace - I mean without SIGTERM the program but wait for it to close - like it was in earlier versions - 10.04 as I remember - there was a dconf option but I cant find it anymore
[19:02] <TJ-> jer: EFI does it properly now, not requiring boot loaders to do it, and preventing them over-writing each other
[19:02] <Radkos> The reason i'm asking is firefox being forced to close everytime I shutdown the computer without closing it first and on next firefox start it asks for recovering my tabs
[19:03] <TJ-> Radkos: how do you initiate the shutdown?
[19:04] <Radkos> I press the powerbutton once
[19:05] <Radkos> it asks for action and choose shutdown
[19:05] <Radkos> its like doing from the button in the upper right corner
[19:05] <TJ-> Radkos: so it is the GUI/DE/WM that is not behaving as you want it to
[19:05] <Radkos> yes
[19:05] <TJ-> Radkos: is it the default Unity desktop ?
[19:06] <Radkos> any ideas - its not just my system two others of my friends has the same issue - so it got to be a setting somewhere
[19:06] <Radkos> yes the default unity
[19:07] <Radkos> one of my friends upgraded from 12.04 - any chance something got messed up with settings from it?
[19:07] <TJ-> Radkos: I would have thought it should be sending SIGTERM to all applications it has launched before shutting down. If you send a SIGTERM to firefox manually from terminal does it exit correctly for you?
[19:07] <Radkos> let me check
[19:11] <kostkon> Radkos, here's the bug report, #1662281
[19:11] <kostkon> hmm, Bug #1662281
[19:12] <Radkos> i've done kill -15 and it's incorectly closed
[19:12] <Radkos> it seems to be bug-related
[19:14] <Radkos> hm doesn anyone knows a workaround as I'm not able to find one
[19:15] <Radkos> or i have to close the browser every time before shutting down
[19:16] <DouglasK> Question... Ubuntu docs say one can share the desktop, but the option to share it isn't available as described in the docs.  I do have vino installed per the docs.  https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/sharing-desktop.html  I'm running Ubuntu 17.10.  Ideas?
[19:16] <kostkon> Radkos, you could try this https://askubuntu.com/a/451392/1651
[19:16] <lotuspsychje_> DouglasK: i see they added remmina to bionic, you could try that perhaps?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje_> !info remmina | DouglasK
[19:18] <TJ-> Radkos: try starting firefox from the terminal in foreground then send the "pkill firefox" and see if anything is reported by firefox about why it is crashing. You can also use the "firefox --debug" to run it under a full debugger session
[19:18] <DouglasK> lotuspsychje_, I do have remmina and vino installed... I have the client to connect to a system... just not the ability to share my desktop.
[19:19] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get update
[19:19] <alkisg> jer, sorry, I was afk; so, why would you want to load ntldr/bootmgr, which is for BIOS, instead of bootmgr.efi, which is for EFI? You cannot load windows in BIOS mode when you're using efi
[19:20] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Hey, how's it going? Is the issue still active/being worked on?
[19:20] <leftyfb> DouglasK: personally I use either x11vnc or teamviewer
[19:21] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it's stalled, being unable to reliably reproduce it
[19:21] <DouglasK> leftyfb, I'll give x11vnc a look ... I avoid teamviewer as I do sometimes use remote access for work, and am not up for the licensing fee.
[19:22] <pizzaburger> TJ-: So it's an abandoned issue?
[19:22] <jimb_> DouglasK - Zoom.us has an excellent offering that works well with Ubuntu
[19:23] <alkisg> DouglasK: if you want a test, this is all you need to run to share you screen with me: x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[19:23] <alkisg> DouglasK: that's what I use to support 1000+ schools
[19:23] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I've got a separate issue that crashes the kernel and can't get anything done on that and I've pinpointed the cause in the code. ecryptfs is feeling like Abandonware
[19:24] <tombusby> Hi there, I've just updated to 18.04 and I'm stuck in a login loop
[19:24] <tombusby> trying some of the things online doesn't seem to work
[19:24] <Radkos> TJ-, it's not crashing actually
[19:24] <tombusby> my nvidia drivers are installed properly
[19:24] <lotuspsychje_> tombusby: #ubuntu+1 please
[19:24] <tombusby> ok
[19:25] <Radkos> with pkill it closes correctly 'kill -15 firefox is the one causing troubles I beleive being used by logout and shutdown script
[19:25] <TJ-> Radkos: they're the same thing SIGTERM is -15
[19:26] <Radkos> yes i know but i get different results with them
[19:26] <Radkos> with pkill everyting is fine but with -15 is not
[19:26] <TJ-> Radkos: ooo, is it because with pkill it sends SIGTERM to *ALL* firefox processes, whereas with "kill -15 <pid>" you're only killing 1 process?
[19:27] <TJ-> Radkos: are you using a multi-process version of firefox? ( 1 process per tab kind of thing )
[19:27] <Radkos> I have only one firefox process but yes maybe pkill is killing all forks of it - like WebContent - or whatever is called
[19:28] <TJ-> Radkos: that would make sense
[19:28] <DouglasK> alkisg, I tried, but it error'd out.
[19:28] <DouglasK> alkisg, I'll circle back to this in a bit... need to call a customer.
[19:28] <Radkos> It was 4 by default but I've changed it to 1
[19:28] <Radkos> but no change
[19:28] <alkisg> DouglasK: sure, np, i may be afk for a while but I'll be back later. What was the error.
[19:29] <DouglasK> alkisg, I'll /msg it as it's four lines.
[19:29] <TJ-> Radkos: you're checking the process list for 'firefox' and all it's child processes (those that list the firefox PID as their PPID) ?
[19:29] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Oh, I see. So just to clear things up - the issue is not going to be solved right?
[19:30] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I can't be sure but it seems like the devs behind ecryptfs have got bored and moved on to more exciting projects :p
[19:31] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Okay, that sucks, I had hopes for recovering my data sometime, but oh well.
[19:31] <Radkos> i believe kill just closses the main process
[19:31] <Radkos> with killall -15 the result is the same - session restore
[19:31] <Radkos> killall -15 firefox is what I've called
[19:32] <Radkos> is there a way to manipulate killing script on shutdown - logoff to use pkill instead of kill
[19:32] <TJ-> pizzaburger: I know, it annoys me, but I've spent about a week trying to reproduce your scenario and cannot, I've produced all sorts of alternate broken dirs though!
[19:33] <TJ-> pizzaburger: it doesn't give me much confidence in ecryptfs when something goes wrong; better switching to encrypted ext4 or zfs I think
[19:33] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Would having physicall access to the hard drive improve the situation?
[19:34] <fearfearfear> anyone know if you can install ubuntu onto imac?
[19:34] <TJ-> pizzaburger: It might, but it's a long shot. We pretty much covered all the bases with those marathon sessions
[19:34] <TJ-> !mac | fearfearfear
[19:34] <fearfearfear> thanks
[19:39] <Ezriilc> Greets, ya'all.
[19:39] <Ezriilc> I've got a noob question:  Is there an LTS distro for Intel 64 bit?  I only see "amd64".
[19:40] <arktvrvs> amd64 is the common 64 bit architecture.. unless you're looking for itanium?
[19:41] <Ezriilc> Oh?  I didn't realize that.  Huh...
[19:41] <Ezriilc> So, the standard 64 bit download is the one I want, yea?
[19:41] <arktvrvs> yes most likely
[19:42] <Ezriilc> I mean, the "amd64" LTS version is what I want?
[19:42] <Bashing-om> Ezriilc: AMD holds the patent on the 64 bit architecture is all.
[19:42] <Ezriilc> For an old Intel Core Duo...
[19:42] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Alright, I guess I'll finaly reinstall. Thanks for all the help, You're Awesome!
[19:42] <Ezriilc> Get OUT!  Really?  Dang, I've been out of the game for too long.
[19:42] <arktvrvs> amd sort of pioneered x86_64
[19:42] <arktvrvs> intels 64bit venture was called itanium, and was kind of a flop
[19:43] <Ezriilc> Wow.  So, all 64 bit chips use AMD's tech?
[19:43] <Ezriilc> I learn something new roughly every 3 days.
[19:44] <Ezriilc> Thanks very much for the lesson!  Now I'm off to build an HTPC with Ubuntu.
[19:44] <TJ-> Ezriilc: I wish my life was that placid!
[19:44] <Ezriilc> Don't be so sure.  hehe
[19:44] <Ezriilc> As you can tell, I'm a bit... out of touch.
[19:45] <arktvrvs> placid polecat
[19:45] <DexterF> Ezriilc, well, the 64bit extensions, yes. intel still brews a lot of functionality themselves, and until recently they outperformed AMD by far, that recently changed witht he advent of Ryzen (desktop) and Epyc (server), a 14nm chip desing by Jim Keller who designed the original Athlon back then. this fellow seems to be up on his game
[19:45] <DexterF> Ezriilc, but if you do not know any of this and your life goes ok your doing something right :D
[19:46] <Ezriilc> Oh, thanks for all that detail - very good service here.
[19:46] <BluesKaj> my old amd 5200+ still runs fine, just needed a ssd and more memory
[19:47] <Ezriilc> I do love AMD, and have for a long time, mosty cuz of price.  My latest build has a Ryzen, and we like it very much.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> Ezriilc, nice :-)
[19:47] <Ezriilc> Thanks DexterF!
[19:48] <Ezriilc> and all of ya, of course.
[19:48] <DexterF> BluesKaj, I have such a museum here in case I need a test rig, too :D has a 10 year old asus m2n-e mobo and apart from a shot NIC PHY works a charm
[19:48] <Ezriilc> I guess I'll leave this channel open for when I need help with my HTPC build.
[19:48] <zomaar> Personally don't like how the whole motherboard landscape has changed with the APUs, but I like the Ryzens.
[19:48] <zomaar> m2n-e here
[19:48] <zomaar> haha
[19:49] <zomaar> terrible usb
[19:49] <Ezriilc> Yea, APUs are an odd bird to me as well, but I can see how they might fit a lot of applications.
[19:49] <DexterF> zomaar, bit hot on the bridge, but damn good board. I slammed in an Asus sata6g/usb3 card, all fine
[19:49] <BluesKaj> DexterF, yeah this HTPC is 9 yrs old now and still chugging away
[19:49] <zomaar> I don't know why I have usb issues; even with a usb3 card
[19:50] <zomaar> Most it it came down to a stick, not the botherboard an sich I guess, but I still cannot use any hub at a slight distance anymore
[19:50] <zomaar> Maybe I just need a cable with amplification
[19:51] <zomaar> Talking about 4-6 meters
[19:51] <zomaar> I have a powered hub that worked fine before most of the time
[19:51] <DexterF> Ezriilc, good choice for htpc builds for sure, though I don't know how good AMD+linux are these days regarding video playback. my htpc has done 7 years on intel sandy bridge like a charm (while everyone turns a bad eye to intel for thir gpu bits, but it works), generally thought the word is nvidia, especially if you need it do do funky things like odd framerates while sending the hdmi signal through a receiver.
[19:52] <zomaar> On a 4m extension cord, but everything fails to work in it now
[19:52] <zomaar> Meanwhile a 6m extended usb keyboard works fine
[19:52] <Ezriilc> My main box runs Winblows, the HTPC build is an Intel e4400.
[19:52] <TJ-> zomaar: keyboard uses 1.1 signalling, not 3.x
[19:52] <DexterF> zomaar, ubuntu? should be ok, but still in 2018 a lot of linux distros have weird usb stacks. (opensuse, I'm looking at you and your bug I reported in 2010 or so)
[19:52] <Ezriilc> Gotta have that DirectX for all da games.
[19:52] <zomaar> Another hub also fails on the same 4m cable
[19:53] <DexterF> 4m is a bit far though
[19:53] <zomaar> I guess
[19:53] <TJ-> zomaar: are you able to test alternate USB3 rated (long) cables?
[19:53] <zomaar> I am not really using USB 3 devices
[19:53] <zomaar> Only USB 2
[19:54] <zomaar> E.g.  a 3G stick
[19:54] <DexterF> usb3 is not lenght limited, if the signal goes through usb3 will flag ok. usb2 not. signal might silently degrade.
[19:54] <TJ-> I have a 7 metre extension to a ceiling-mounted projector
[19:54] <zomaar> Does that need usb3 controller?
[19:55] <DexterF> zomaar, yes
[19:55] <zomaar> And device I guess
[19:55] <BluesKaj> MPV player FTW on this pc , i don't bother with much else, just an outboard 1TB drive with all the media on it, and an nvidia card that feeds the TV ansd an m-audio spdif out to the receiver
[19:56] <zomaar> So it needs a USB 3 device too right?
[19:56] <DexterF> kodi. took me ages to get it set up this way but now is great.
[19:56] <DexterF> zomaar, hmm, yes. what you want is a repeater I geuss
[19:56] <zomaar> Yeah
[19:56] <BluesKaj> kodi works well, it's just too imposing
[19:56] <zomaar> That is easier than testing new hubs
[19:56] <Ezriilc> Kodi is what I plan to use.
[19:56] <zomaar> But a repeater after just 2m is a bit weird
[19:56] <DexterF> NFS question: I automount an nfs v4 server with systemd via fstab, now that server was not reachable and then came on again.
[19:57] <alkisg> DouglasK: your xorg appears problematic, maybe x2go or thin client or whatever, use x11vnc -noshm -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[19:57] <DexterF> but I cannot access the share anymore. what's the best method to get nfs back on track without a reboot?
[19:57] <Ezriilc> I'm not very familiar with KODI, but my user (bro) likes it.
[19:57] <trafaret> hi there
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Ezriilc, kodi's a good choice , there's no doubt
[19:57] <trafaret> I need your help guys
[19:57] <Ezriilc> oh good, thanks
[19:57] <DexterF> 16.04 LTS / http://www.happyassassin.net/2011/05/12/cute-systemd-trick-of-the-day-auto-mounting-remote-shares/
[19:58] <DexterF> trafaret, you need to tell us what with
[19:58] <zomaar> DexterF: Do you mean stale handles?
[19:58] <trafaret> I have installed ubuntu but some feature I can't stand when you have two open terminals session it's hard to use Alt-Tab to switch
[19:58] <DexterF> zomaar, could be, could be nfs mapping, I'm lost. when I "ls" in /mnt it just stalls
[19:58] <trafaret> how to fast switching between terminals
[19:58] <trafaret> ?
[19:58] <zomaar> DexterF: Maybe use "soft" mount option
[19:58] <DexterF> odd enough, when I strace ls it writes it all in the write call
[19:58] <arktvrvs> disable f-keys in terminal options?
[19:58] <DexterF> zomaar, ?
[19:59] <zomaar> NFS does not timeout by default
[19:59] <zomaar> DexterF: NFS has "hard" and "soft" mount options
[19:59] <TJ-> trafaret: use a terminal multiplexer like 'tmux'
[19:59] <zomaar> Default is hard
[19:59] <zomaar> It will never timeout when the connection goes away
[20:00] <zomaar> That's why you have hanging ls to begin with
[20:00] <zomaar> It does this to ensure no data is ever lost
[20:00] <trafaret> TJ-:  thanks for advice :)
[20:03] <zomaar> Weird thing is before I booted Ubuntu 16.04 on this motherboard (m2n-e) I could use a usb2 dvd writer on the hub on that cable on this motherboard
[20:03] <zomaar> After, I can no longer do so in both Windows and Ubuntu
[20:03] <DexterF> zomaar, it üis* possible that the VRM driving that port has deteriorated
[20:03] <DexterF> *is*
[20:03] <zomaar> In fact, I can only still do it on the usb 3 card now
[20:04] <zomaar> But no longer on the hub on the cable
[20:04] <DexterF> or the writer motor deteriorated and draws more power now.
[20:04] <zomaar> No it was a sudden break; after my first boot I was really in trouble
[20:05] <TJ-> zomaar: is the controller driver configured to to power-saving, we sometimes see issues due to that and have to disable it
[20:05] <zomaar> Also if I reboot from Windows the sd card that boots my Linux doesn't work
[20:05] <DexterF> TJ-, but across operating systems?
[20:05] <zomaar> TJ-: I don't know
[20:05] <TJ-> zomaar: that's an ACPI issue
[20:06] <DexterF> zomaar, superweird: ls stalls - "ls | tee" shows me the dir!
[20:06] <zomaar> And when I rebooted from Linux the first couple of times, all kinds of USB devices kept misbehaving in Windows
[20:06] <TJ-> DexterF: depends if there's a cold-boot between OSes or not; with warm boots sometimes the controller power settings can remain
[20:06] <DexterF> I noticed when i strace ls | pastebinit, the pastebin actually contains the folder ls
[20:06]  * DexterF is utterly puzzled
[20:06] <TJ-> zomaar: sounds like you may benefit from: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:06] <zomaar> DexterF: Really that's weird (and useful)
[20:07] <TJ-> designbybeck: why? you're feeding stdout to pastebinit :)
[20:07] <DexterF> zomaar, bash -c ls works, too oO
[20:07] <TJ-> ooops
[20:07] <TJ-> DexterF: why? you're feeding stdout to pastebinit :)
[20:07] <DexterF> TJ-, I fed strace to pastebinit
[20:08] <zomaar> That's your script :)
[20:08] <TJ-> DexterF: "strace ls" - ls output on stdout, strace output on stderr
[20:12] <designbybeck>  hmm TJ- don't even remember what that was
[20:12] <TJ-> designbybeck: sorry, I tab-completed to you by mistake
[20:13] <schultza> what is the latest version supported by ubuntu?
[20:13] <schultza> er... of firefox
[20:13] <DexterF> TJ-, ok but what happens when I just ls? it then stalls
[20:14] <DexterF> and why cant I cd to /mnt/server
[20:14] <designbybeck> it happens TJ- ;)
[20:14] <ioria> DexterF, offline ?
[20:14] <TJ-> DexterF: now that I can't tell :)
[20:14] <leftyfb> schultza: the latest version
[20:14] <DexterF> ioria, nope, it was disconnected from the switch for a bit
[20:15] <ioria> offline
[20:15] <schultza> what is the latest version of firefox supported by ubuntu?
[20:15] <DexterF> zomaar, I restarted the nfs kernel server, still no good
[20:15] <leftyfb> schultza: the latest version
[20:15] <schultza> FF 57?
[20:15] <leftyfb> yep
[20:15] <schultza> Ok. I need to reimage my computer.
[20:15] <leftyfb> why is that?
[20:16] <schultza> um... because / is full and is at 100%
[20:16] <schultza> yet, i still have 411 GB available on the drive.
[20:16] <leftyfb> schultza: sounds like a problem we might be able to help solve
[20:17] <ioria> schultza, dh -H  and df -i
[20:17] <schultza> I'm not sure / is on an LVM, hence the reimage.
[20:17] <leftyfb> why not grow the LVM? That's what LVM is for
[20:17] <zomaar_> TJ-: Your script is a bit faulty, it shows the new grub.cfg before running update-grub ;-).
[20:17] <schultza> Don't worry about it. I need to update distros anyways. Got to see the new Unity/Gnome setup anyways.
[20:17] <BluesKaj> autoremove and autoclean usually helps
[20:18] <schultza> leftyfb: again, not sure if it is on an LVM in the first place.
[20:18] <zomaar_> DexterF: Yeah the kernel...
[20:18] <zomaar_> DexterF: I have had the same issues with CIFS and why I don't use autofs anymore
[20:18] <leftyfb> ioria: btw, I feel -h is closer to reality
[20:18] <leftyfb> ioria: it's also a safer bet
[20:18] <schultza> CIFS?
[20:18] <zomaar_> Samba
[20:19] <leftyfb> that's a network filesystem
[20:19] <ioria> schultza, you don't know if you're using lvm or not ???
[20:19] <zomaar_> Just like NFS
[20:19] <ioria> leftyfb, yeah
[20:19] <schultza> I'm just used to SMB (samba) over CIFS. That's why CIFS gave me a question mark.
[20:21] <zomaar_> autofs was a really nice solution
[20:21] <zomaar_> now I am trying to use libpam-mount but it is not so good
[20:22] <zomaar_> I would regularly have autofs that didn't work until I mounted the same (!) share on a different tree manually
[20:23] <DexterF> zomaar_, cock, I'll reboot...
[20:23] <ioria> finally
[20:24] <schultza> I have an HP computer, does the 17.10 image still have bios issues with HP?
[20:24] <ioria> schultza, why you think that ?
[20:24] <schultza> Known issues on the download page.
[20:24] <ioria> schultza, lenovo
[20:25] <DexterF> zomaar_, and works again. shit, would have loved to solve that one
[20:25] <schultza> Also, is there a way to convert a full Unity to the Unity + Gnome interface in 17.10?
[20:25] <Ezriilc> Greets again, ya'all.
[20:26] <ioria> schultza, please, state your issue
[20:26] <Ezriilc> Another noob question:  Does the LTS .iso file support booting from a USB device?  I'm using Win32DiskImager to "burn" it.
[20:26] <ioria> Ezriilc, try rufus
[20:27] <schultza> I'm probably going to install the 16.04 LTS release, but would like to experience the new Unity interface on Gnome UI from the 17.10 release. Is that possible?
[20:27] <Ezriilc> um... thanks, but won't Win32DiskImager do the trick?
[20:27] <ioria> Ezriilc, there is no new unity 'interface'
[20:27] <Ezriilc> hehe, wrong person.
[20:27] <schultza> ioria: that was suppose to be directed to me.
[20:27] <schultza> :)
[20:27] <schultza> thought they had a unity look in gnome?
[20:27] <ioria> schultza, sy, yes
[20:28] <ioria> Ezriilc, go with rufus, no surprise when booting
[20:28] <JustAPerson> Is there anyway to full screen a video (like youtube) to less than the whole monitor? I'm using a large 4K TV as a 4x1080p monitor setup
[20:29] <Ezriilc> I remember back in the day (random time ago), Win32diskImager would ask what type of bootable thingy I was creating, and let me choose the OS, such as Ubuntu or ...
[20:29] <jimb_> Control+Alt+1 (1 from the numpad)
[20:29] <jimb_> JustAPerson: Is that what you meant, or also remove the browser bits?
[20:29] <GivenToCode> this might be stupid. I build a custom package and renamed the version (1.0-local instead of just 1.0) and now when i try to install something that depends on this package it complains because it wants 1.0 and not 1.0-local
[20:30] <GivenToCode> is there anyway to rename the package so that apt thinks it has 1.0?
[20:31] <akik> my google search result links become light blue recently. anybody see this too?
[20:31] <akik> in firefox
[20:31] <ioria> GivenToCode, i'am not good at packaging, but debian has its strictly rules
[20:31] <nacc> GivenToCode: build it again with the corret version?
[20:32] <JustAPerson> jimb_: wait that's perfect. Might have to figure out an easier key combo
[20:32] <nacc> GivenToCode: allthough it's bad practice to 'fake' a version like that
[20:32] <ioria> akik, yeah
[20:32] <jimb_> JustAPerson... Check out the various numpad combos. I use them quit a bit.
[20:32] <ioria> akik, it goes away: i clean cache and restart
[20:33] <akik> ioria: which cache?
[20:33] <ioria> akik, firefox , right ?
[20:33] <akik> ioria: yes
[20:33] <GivenToCode> nacc, yes I was hoping to avoid having to do that
[20:33] <ioria> akik, firefox , clean it
[20:33] <ioria> akik, history, i mean
[20:33] <akik> ioria: what do you mean?
[20:34] <ioria> akik, history - clean recent history
[20:35] <akik> ioria: didn't help. i'll try erasing the cached web content
[20:35] <ioria> akik, select all the item in 'clean history'
[20:35] <ioria> *s
[20:37] <V7> Hey all :)
[20:37] <V7> Getting these errors: https://hastebin.com/akezagohad.vbs
[20:37] <nacc> GivenToCode: not sure why? you've already chosen to go down the path of maintenance
[20:37] <V7> When upgrading
[20:38] <akik> ioria: i removed cookies and site preferences and now it's back to dark blue. thanks :)
[20:38] <ioria> akik, good job
[20:38] <bipul> How to change the runlevel permanently in ubuntu?
[20:39] <nacc> V7: did you look at either output from line 2?
[20:39] <ioria> that's a very good idea
[20:40] <V7> Yes nacc
[20:40] <V7> It says the same as in this output
[20:40] <V7> ● i8kmon.service - LSB: Dell fan/cpu-temperature monitor ...
[20:40] <nacc> V7: you can run /etc/init.d/i8kmon manually, maybe with bash -x to see what's happening
[20:43] <V7> nacc: https://hastebin.com/gonuzeqese.bash
[20:43] <V7> As you see nothing
[20:43] <V7> strange
[20:43] <V7> The main reason: this's not dell
[20:43] <nacc> V7: well ...
[20:44] <nacc> V7: i'm assuming you know the basics
[20:44] <nacc> V7: you obviously need to pass 'start'
[20:44] <nacc> V7: also why are you installing a Dell specific package on a non-Dell system?
[20:44] <V7> Is it possible to remove this package ?
[20:44] <V7> It somehow isntalled
[20:45] <nacc> V7: i'm not sure what you're asking?
[20:45] <nacc> V7: you can remove any package
[20:46] <ioria> V7, check your /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:47] <xs2> hi, why doesn't show desktop 'button' on xfce panel doesn't work when running xmonad?
[20:47] <V7> Thank you nacc and iter
[20:47] <V7> ioria: *
[20:48] <V7> Sorry iter
[20:48] <xs2> s/doesn't//
[20:48] <xs2> I click it it just stays pressed
[20:53] <bipul> How to change the runlevel permanently in ubuntu?
[20:53] <Bashing-om> bipul: What is your end goal and what release are you running ?
[20:56] <oerheks> heh, crossposting in ##linux
[20:58] <bipul> I am using 16.04 LTS, and i want to switch into runlevel 3 permanently.And after that take a Full backup of my system. Bashing-om
[20:59] <oerheks> higher runlevel just makes services available to users, it makes no sense to do that for backup. in contrary, you would need lower runlevel to do so.
[21:00] <Bashing-om> bipul: 3 runlevel3.target, "multi-user.target" as a grub boot parameter .
[21:00] <bipul> Bashing-om, Any documentation?
[21:01] <Bashing-om> bipul: ^^ as oerheks advises "you" will have to manage what servixes are started .
[21:01] <bipul> ok.
[21:01] <oerheks> man systemd.special https://askubuntu.com/a/788465
[21:02] <TJ-> bipul: "man runlevel" explains how runlevels are obsolete and systemd's compatibilty layer
[21:05] <zomaar_> bipul: Did you upgrade all the way to 16.04?
[21:05] <bipul> oerheks, For example? which runlevel you use ?
[21:05] <bipul> zomaar_, Yes.
[21:06] <zomaar_> bipul So you want to go to single user runlevel?
[21:06] <bipul> I guess single user mode will be 1. No 3 and 5
[21:06] <oerheks> bipul, why do you ask ?? singe user is runlevel 1....
[21:06] <zomaar_> bipul: There is only still "rescue" runlevel if you want that
[21:06] <bipul> 3 and 5 runlevel i would like to switch permanently.
[21:07] <tatertots> lol
[21:07] <zomaar_> bipul: Check out systemctl --help, down below
[21:07] <bipul> ok.
[21:08] <zomaar_> default mode is either multi-user or graphical, you can select that if you want
[21:08] <zomaar_> ie. you can easily choose to make the default target something else
[21:09] <JustAPerson> jimb_: so I tried that in the unity window manager but restarted into unity (with xorg) and now the ctrl-alt-kp_1 doesn't seem to work. Any ideas?
[21:09] <bipul> oerheks, just want to assure my self, whether i am correct or wrong.
[21:09] <piranah> OK I must be missing something. Running Ubuntu 16.04 I have installed enlightenment but at the login screen there is no option to choose window manager ? All the screen shots online show a lil icon to click on mut its just not there ?
[21:09] <bipul> ok Thank you Bashing-om oerheks and zomaar_
[21:10] <zomaar_> bipul: Check also systemctl set-default
[21:10] <bipul> ok
[21:10] <piranah> Tried rebooting etc but the icon to select window manager just does not show up. Anyone else run into this or know howto fix it ?
[21:11] <akik> piranah: it's probably missing the .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions
[21:11] <bipul> It says Too few arguments
[21:11] <piranah> akik, nope its there first thing I checked.
[21:11] <zomaar_> bipul: So there is multi-user/graphical (runlevel 5), rescue (1), and that's about it
[21:11] <zomaar_> bipul: systemctl set-default rescue.target
[21:12] <zomaar_> bipul: or systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[21:12] <piranah> ubuntu.desktop and enlightenment.desktop both in that dir
[21:13] <bipul> ok
[21:13] <akik> piranah: do you see any errors in "journalctl -u sddm" ?
[21:13] <bipul> Thank you zomaar_
[21:13] <zomaar_> bipul: see man bootup
[21:13] <piranah> akik have not looked at that yet let me try :)
[21:14] <piranah> journalctl -u sddm shows -- No entries --
[21:14] <akik> piranah: or is it lightdm? journalctl -u lightdm
[21:15] <piranah> OK that has a pile of erros
[21:15] <piranah> all of them look like PAM adding faulty module: pam_kwallet.so or sim
[21:20] <piranah> akik https://pastebin.com/v4XRWszF
[21:22] <akik> piranah: is the desktop environment selector empty or is it just the button is missing?
[21:22] <piranah> button is missing
[21:24] <lordcirth_work> So, there are tons of backup tools out there.  We are currently using rdiff-backup, but at 1M files and several terabytes, it now takes over a week to run a weekly backup :P  Anyone know good tools that can handle large scales? What about Borg?
[21:25] <leftyfb> run your weekly against your delta's (daily?). Not against a week ago
[21:26] <TJ-> piranah: what does this report? "grep -rn 'show-indicators' /etc/lightdm/ "
[21:26] <akik> piranah: did you check that the enlightenment desktop file has the correct startup command? i saw something that if you only have one desktop environment, it wouldn't show up, or if the session startup file is faulty
[21:27] <lordcirth_work> leftyfb, but then we have to create daily deltas, I don't see how that's faster
[21:27] <TJ-> piranah: it should include "~session"
[21:28] <raidghost> leftyfb: How do i force ubuntu to not randomly change devicenumber for ethernet card ?
[21:29] <piranah> hrmm TJ- im getting no results when I run that command.
[21:29] <TJ-> piranah: OK, should be using the defaults then
[21:29] <piranah> akik, I just followed the guide for installing enlightenment verbatim :)
[21:30] <akik> piranah: i'm using sddm so i don't have lightdm configs here (kubuntu)
[21:30] <oerheks> raidghost, it should no do that randomly, there has a recent change from eth0/1 to enp2s0 or so
[21:30] <raidghost> oerheks: It was enp03s0 and now it has changed to enp12s0
[21:31] <raidghost> So i would like it to STOP changing. cause have to add new interface name in interfaces
[21:31] <oerheks> raidghost, on the same system ??
[21:31] <raidghost> Yes
[21:31] <TJ-> piranah: it could be the system is missing icon themes
[21:32] <piranah> hrmm
[21:33] <oerheks> raidghost, never seen that before..
[21:33] <raidghost> oerheks: i was close to reinstall before i figured out why i didnt catch up with ping on that system
[21:34] <raidghost> did check with lshw -C Network and then i figured out that the card had changed name
[21:34] <oerheks> raidghost, is it a pluggable device?
[21:34] <leftyfb> raidghost: udev rules
[21:35] <leftyfb> lordcirth_work: if you backup every night, the weekly will be a LOT shorter
[21:35] <lordcirth_work> leftyfb, If we backup every night, it will take several days to run each night's backup.  That's the problem.
[21:35] <raidghost> oerheks: not pluggable, its on the mainboard
[21:36] <raidghost> leftyfb: no such command, udev rules
[21:36] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: incremental backups, maybe?
[21:36] <leftyfb> lordcirth_work: ok, then every other day
[21:36] <lordcirth_work> gordonjcp, these are incremental
[21:36] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: holy hell
[21:36] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: what are you doing that's generating 1TB of diffs every day?
[21:36] <piranah> well I give up for now lol
[21:37] <leftyfb> raidghost: https://askubuntu.com/questions/767786/changing-network-interfaces-name-ubuntu-16-04
[21:37] <akik> piranah: maybe reinstall lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[21:37] <piranah> akik, ya I think I might give that a try
[21:38] <lordcirth_work> gordonjcp, it's not, it just takes ages to diff two ~25TB datasets over the network.  Probably latency-bound.  This is why I want a better backup tool.
[21:38] <piranah> This is a clean install of ubuntu worse case i'll just try bohdi linux ( ubuntu based ) as its packaged with enlightenment as the default
[21:38] <leftyfb> lordcirth_work: backup smaller portions asynchronously
[21:40] <lordcirth_work> leftyfb, hmm, maybe.
[21:43] <zomaar_> raidghost: The address will change if you insert a new device on the motherboard
[21:43] <zomaar_> raidghost: You can disable predictablenetworkinterfacenames with a variety of ways
[21:43] <leftyfb> zomaar_: there are several options to prevent it. One of which I've already given to try
[21:44] <raidghost> zomaar_: So if example adding two tvtunercard pci-e
[21:44] <raidghost> Then it changes?
[21:44] <whitebeast> I cannot login to my system. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? Perferably like your talking to a 5 year old
[21:44] <zomaar_> raidghost: Yes
[21:44] <leftyfb> raidghost: did you look at the link I gave you?
[21:44] <zomaar_> leftyfb: What do you mean, udev?
[21:44] <raidghost> leftyfb: Just back from food eating, gonna check the link
[21:44] <leftyfb> there are udev rules you can write to force a name per mac address or product number
[21:45] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: Well, what do you get to in the attempt to boot ? What happens ?
[21:46] <N0X1A04E> Sup guys, I need ya'all to give me a benchmark...how much memory does your system use if you have nothing besides a youtube video playing in firefox, and a couple terminal windows open?
[21:46] <N0X1A04E> Mine is using an abnormal amount (I think), and I'm frankly getting worried
[21:47] <leftyfb> N0X1A04E: not only will those "benchmarks" be wildly different, that's not the sort of thing you'll get answers to here.
[21:47] <zomaar_> raidghost: This will also easily disable interface renaming
[21:47] <whitebeast> Boot works just fine. It gets all the way up to asking for my password works normal (from what i can see) i type in my pass, the screen goes black and asks me again
[21:47] <zomaar_> raidghost: echo -e "[Link]\nNamePolicy=kernel" | sudo tee /etc/systemd/network/10-disable-renaming.link && sudo update-initramfs -u
[21:49] <lordcirth_work> N0X1A04E, are you sure you're not seeing cache?  free -m or htop will give good numbers
[21:49] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: At this login screen key combo crl+alt+F2 . Can you log into the system from this console ? IF so we see what is not going on .
[21:49] <N0X1A04E> htop
[21:49] <N0X1A04E> wrong chat
[21:50] <whitebeast> Bashing : yes i can
[21:50] <whitebeast> I can login that way yes.. Not sure what that means
[21:50] <N0X1A04E> lordcirth_work: where is the most accurate way to determine meomry usage? screenfetch, free and htop are all giving me drasitcally different results
[21:51] <N0X1A04E> lordcirth_work: what*
[21:51] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: Then we want next to know if "you" are authorized to access your desk top . Pastebin ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' .
[21:52] <lordcirth_work> N0X1A04E, https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[21:54] <whitebeast> Ls-al or lsal or lsat ?? Its not going through.. Just says command not found
[21:54] <konimex> ls -al
[21:55] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: ls space -al space .ICEauthority space .Xauthority in this F2 TTY .
[21:56] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: those be lower case Ells .
[21:56] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: quite honestly you're starting to get into ZFS territory there
[21:56] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: maybe even looking at the sort of stuff they do clustering FSes with
[21:57] <lordcirth_work> gordonjcp, this is actually already a CephFS cluster running on top of ZFS, lol
[21:57] <gordonjcp> lordcirth_work: right
[21:58] <whitebeast> -rw--- 1 name name 36750 jan 10th 10:46 .iceauthority......................-rw-- 1 name name 59 jan 11 15:40 .xauthority.
[21:58] <whitebeast> Im paraphrasing name name
[21:59] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: where "name" is the userID of the logged in account ?
[21:59] <whitebeast> Correct
[22:01] <beaver> https://www.google.fr/search?source=hp&ei=k95XWuulB4uesAG4lojwAQ&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fold-releases.ubuntu.com%2Fubuntu%2F+yakkety&oq=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fold-releases.ubuntu.com%2Fubuntu%2F+yakkety&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1053.4861.0.5181.14.13.0.0.0.0.422.1193.3-2j1.3.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..11.2.814...0.0.5W0Rf4L5hcg (yakkety is EOL :s)
[22:01] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: K.. good .. then next is if a GUI driver is loaded . ' sudo lshw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . Pass the resulting URL back here so we see the status of the driver .
[22:02] <beaver> I can not find the yakkety distribution on the site http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[22:03] <beaver> it's normal ?
[22:05] <whitebeast> As im familiar with termbin.. Im using my phone to speak with you while im working on the computer
[22:06] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: :) At your pace .
[22:06] <funabashi> 1955/systemd-resolv what kind of service is that?
[22:08] <beaver> it's the only EOL version of ubuntu that I can not find
[22:09] <nacc> beaver: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[22:09] <whitebeast> Ok... What im seeing is it saying. 'Display unclaimed' and it shows information on my graphics card
[22:09] <nacc> beaver: oh you mean the repos?
[22:10] <xu> any news on ubuntu touch?
[22:10] <nacc> xu: what kind of news?
[22:10] <beaver> nacc: doh, ok, i was the wrong path /ubuntu =! /releases, thank you
[22:10] <TheSov> when i try to install ubuntu on my system, asus ROG hero 3, I get a neauvous error on screen, and then i hear the X bongo's but theres no gui, just the error.
[22:10] <nacc> beaver: /ubuntu would be the repositories, which i agree are not there
[22:11] <xu> i mean if is possible to begin to use it ...
[22:11] <xu> non only try it
[22:11] <beaver> ok nacc
[22:11] <nacc> !touch | xu: afaik, it's sort of done, but you can look there
[22:13] <xu> well i know is discontinued ...canonical...
[22:14] <whitebeast> Bash.. Is that my grphics card going out or? I did just upgrade to a new one a couple weeks back
[22:14] <xu> hope to be able to install it on all my phones in the future
[22:16] <nacc> xu: you'd need to look at ubports and see thes tatus
[22:17] <nacc> xu: i think your hope is probably a littel far-fetched
[22:17] <TheSov> Does anyone know why I wouldnt be able to see the gui when i try to run the livecd?
[22:17] <funabashi> ens3 why interfaces doesnt call ethX anymore? :P lame
[22:18] <nacc> funabashi: you're about 2+ years too late to complain about it. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[22:18] <nacc> funabashi: and the name shouldn't matter in general
[22:18] <xu> ok nacc
[22:18] <TheSov> all i can see on screen is a neauvous error but i hear the Xwindows bongos
[22:19] <Bashing-om> !nick | whitebeast
[22:20] <whitebeast> ? I didnt know it was changing???? What?
[22:20] <Bashing-om> whitebeast: I bounce ariund a lot, if you do not nick " Bashing-om " I will not see there is a response . GFor now I do need to see that lshw output to know where to go next .
[22:21] <whitebeast> I am registerd
[22:21] <nacc> !tab | whitebeast: maybe more relevant
[22:24] <Bashing-om> nacc: :)
[22:38] <timeless> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown -- how often does this get updated? one of my systems just got a package for `linux-hwe` (not `linux-hwe-edge`)  which appears to have the fix
[22:42] <Ben64> timeless: the usn link is probably more updated
[22:42] <g105b> Hi guys! I'm running sshd and when a connection comes in I get the following messages before sshd dies: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26368620/
[22:42] <timeless> please excuse my ignorance, which one is that? (the page i linked to has dozens of links w/ usn...)
[22:42] <timeless> g105b: line 15 No supported key exchange algorithms
[22:43] <timeless> is your remote server (insecure, broken) ssh1?
[22:43] <Ben64> timeless: well, all of them, also the main usn.ubuntu.com/usn
[22:44] <g105b> timeless: how can I tell? It's just Ubuntu 16.04
[22:44] <timeless> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-4/ <- Unfortunately, that update introduced a regression where a few systems failed to boot successfully. This update fixes the problem.
[22:44] <timeless> g105b: `echo | nc remote-host 22`
[22:46] <Romalio> hi
[22:46] <Romalio> my google chrome crashes _every_ time I open it
[22:46] <timeless> Ben64: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-2/ says  "USN-3522-2: Linux (Xenial HWE) vulnerability" ... "A security issue affects these releases of Ubuntu and its derivatives:" "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS"
[22:46] <g105b> timeless: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.2 Protocol mismatch.
[22:46] <Romalio> but only since today
[22:46] <timeless> is "xenial" considered a derivative of 14.04 lts?
[22:47] <Ben64> 14.04 is trusty, so no
[22:47] <timeless> Ben64: so just someone who failed to search+replace?
[22:47] <nacc> timeless: did you read that link?
[22:47] <nacc> timeless: it's referring to a package *for* 14.04
[22:47] <nacc> timeless: perhaps you don't know what linux-lts-xenial is?
[22:51] <Romalio> https://dpaste.de/NW9M/raw
[22:51] <timeless> g105b: offhand, your keys are probably not readable by your user
[22:51] <Romalio> ^ google crashes - may I please ask for help?
[22:51] <Romalio> I meant, google chrome
[22:51] <timeless> g105b: https://serverfault.com/questions/158151/sshd-shuts-down-with-no-supported-key-exchange-algorithms-error has an example of someone hitting your error
[22:51] <timeless> are you trying to run sshd as a non root user or w/ a secondary config in a different place?
[22:51] <timeless> anyway, personally, i'd use `strace -s2048 -ff ...` on both the server and client
[22:51] <timeless> typically these things stick out w/ ENOENT or EACCES shortly before the failure
[22:51] <timeless> Ben64: anyway, thanks for the answers
[22:51]  * timeless wishes everyone luck
[22:51] <g105b> timeless: I'm not sure what a host key is :/
[22:52] <timeless> g105b: in most forms of two party cryptography, both parties have private keys
[22:52] <timeless> they publish public keys for their peers to know
[22:52] <g105b> timeless: does the server always have to have a key?
[22:52] <timeless> your server calls itself `host`
[22:52] <timeless> yes
[22:53] <timeless> when the client connects to the server, the server sends its public key which the client then uses as part of its encryption process as it talks to the server
[22:53] <g105b> Whenever I've installed openssh server before, I've just connected straight to it. Now the problem is that there are no /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key, it seems.
[22:53] <timeless> ssh-keygen is your friend
[22:53] <timeless> or something
[22:54] <g105b> timeless: ah yes I just found that I had to run it with -A for first setup.
[22:54] <g105b> New to me, but it works now. Thanks for helping me debug.
[22:54] <timeless> glad to be of service
[22:55]  * timeless really leaves
[22:58] <Ezriilc> I just installed the latest LTS plus KODI from the Ubuntu Store on an old 2007 HP doorstop, and the entire process was absolutely flawless, as expected.  Once again, Ubuntu FTW!
[22:59]  * g105b pops a beer cap in celebration
[23:03] <TheSov> can someone help me figure out why i cant use ubuntu on my pc? every time i have the install media inside it boots up shows me a neauvous error and then my sound card plays the bongos sound from X but i see only the error on screen
[23:03] <TheSov> I have a gtx970 and an asus rog hero 3
[23:03] <xz> hi there I have Ubuntu 12.04.5 that I would love to upgrade to 16.04. However somebody messed up a python install on it, e.g. /usr/bin/python doesn't exist. What can I do to fix python first before I move onto updating OS?
[23:04] <nacc> xz: are you paying for ESM?
[23:04] <nacc> xz: if not, you're not supported, and have to do an EOL upgrade anyways, might as well reinstall, tbh
[23:05] <nacc> xz: if you are, then ... well, you have support from canonical
[23:05] <xz> nacc is ESM some sort of paid support?
[23:05] <nacc> xz: yes
[23:05] <xz> nacc nope, we don't have it
[23:05] <xz> nacc the problem with reinstalling it is that the machine is configured for many things already, so it will come costly to start from scratch
[23:05] <nacc> xz: ok, then unsupported. you can try and reinstall python or whatever
[23:05] <nacc> xz: the likelihood of a 12.04->16.04 upgrade going smooothly, if you've done stuff like remove python, seems low
[23:06] <xz> nacc can python2.7 be uninstalled on Ubuntu (any version)
[23:06] <nacc> xz: i mean, you *can* do whatever you want as root. Should it be, no?
[23:06] <nacc> rather, Should it be? no.
[23:07] <xz> nacc yes, but apt-get itself might be using python 2.7
[23:08] <nacc> xz: apt-get doesn't use python, afaik.
[23:08] <nacc> xz: and if it did, and it needed python2.7, then when you removed python2.7 (which you haven't said you did, you said the binary wasn't there), then it would have removed apt-get
[23:12] <xz> nacc the problem is person who messed up was moving binaries between /usr/bin and /bin
[23:12] <xz> apt-get still works
[23:12] <xz> ppl on the internet suggest doing apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[23:12] <xz> I think it's a server version though, is there matching package for ubuntu-server?
[23:15] <xz> ubuntu-standard maybe? so I could try apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-standard
[23:16] <martinh_> Hi! The re-release of 17.10 was announced for today, but nothing has happened. Does anybody know something about it? I'd like to set up some laptops this evening...
[23:22] <acheronuk> martinh_: a member of the release team said earlier in there channel that it would likely be out late afternoon their time (UTC-7 I think(, so that possibly puts it in the next 3-4 hrs
[23:23] <martinh_> ok, I'm in UTC+1 ;-) Thanks!
[23:24] <nacc> xz: there is ... no reason that an admin should be moving binaries between usr and usr/bin
[23:25] <nacc> xz: 1) have you revoked their admin privs?
[23:25] <nacc> xz: err /usr/bin and /bin
[23:25] <nacc> xz: you can probably reinstall the python package. but who knows what else this person broke.
[23:25] <xz> nacc I'm in a joke project
[23:25] <nacc> xz: honestly, safest route is backups and reinstall
[23:26] <xz> nacc I would want to download python that can be installed with dpkg, then apt-get remove python and install the one with dpkg
[23:26] <nacc> xz: otherwise you'd have to do an eol upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 first anyways -- so timewise also faster, honestly (since you should do backups before any release upgrade anyways)
[23:26] <xz> nacc than apt-get update everything and update OS
[23:26] <nacc> xz: ... why?
[23:26] <nacc> xz: sorry, I don't think I can help you
[23:26] <xz> nacc ok, thanks for your time
[23:30] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | TheSov Try this :
[23:32] <TheSov> Bashing-om, After i install will i still need that?
[23:35] <sw0rdy> hey guys I didn't install the 3rd party multimedia (codec and stuff) packages during format, how do I install them now, anyone know a tutorial or so
[23:37] <sw0rdy> I only thought of it now because I need flash, is installing flashplugin-installer just enough?
[23:38] <skiboy> sw0rdy: do you just need to play swf files, or do you need them to run in the browser?
[23:38] <sw0rdy> I need to play video content on firefox/chromium
[23:38] <sw0rdy> skiboy: ^
[23:38] <skiboy> sw0rdy: flashplugin-installer s what you need then
[23:39] <Bashing-om> TheSov: Once instaled then install the nvidia proprietary driver .
[23:39] <partitionmess> i've got myself into a bit of a partition mess here. I'm dual booting windows 10 with ubuntu 17.10. The ubuntu partition won't boot so I want to remove it but I'm not sure how to identify which partition to delete. Anyone able to help me figure out which partitions are needed by windows and which are not?
[23:39] <sw0rdy> I tried to install html5 h.264 but I read on askbuntu that it actually uses more cpu power than flash (to my surprise because I wanted it instead of flash thinking it uses LESS cpu power)
[23:39] <TheSov> so long story short i have a shitty video card eh? looks like im gonna be buying vega sooner than i though
[23:40] <sw0rdy> skiboy: sorry again^
[23:40] <skiboy> sw0rdy: h.264 support in browsers should be come by default
[23:40] <sw0rdy> I see.
[23:41] <Bashing-om> TheSov: Not at all . just that nouveau can not support that card. where as the proprietary driver does .
[23:41] <TheSov> last question, how do I do the nomodeset
[23:42] <skiboy> sw0rdy: h.264 is a W3C standard for some baffling reason
[23:42] <skiboy> sw0rdy: so is h.265, which should be phased out as soon as people adopt AV1
[23:43] <Bashing-om> TheSov: U also ran into that issue on a new generation nvidia card in 14.04 where the kernel could not match the card to a driver .
[23:43] <Bashing-om> U/I*
[23:43] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Unsurprisingly, people don't like it when they tell you that you can use their codec for free for a while, and will then spring surprise license fees on them
[23:44] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Hence, AV1
[23:44] <partitionmess> https://ibb.co/dBpTHR
[23:45] <sw0rdy> skiboy: was it W3C that did that?
[23:45] <skiboy> sw0rdy: No, that's MPEG-LA
[23:45] <partitionmess> ^ screen shot of the current partitions on my machine
[23:46] <skiboy> sw0rdy: It's a patent pool dedicated to milking as much money from people as possible, for something that should be free in the first place
[23:46] <Guiri> I made a bad sshd_config change and did a try-restart.  I think I'm locked out of my Ubuntu box on AWS.  I'm not sure what to do
[23:47] <sw0rdy> skiboy: can HEVC come into play here?
[23:48] <Bashing-om> partitionmess: To Windows, there is no other operating system in the world. does not recognize a linuz paeririon. Biit a live ubuntu usb to a terminal and exexute ' sudo parted -l ' . you will see the ubuntu partition(s) - ext4 - .
[23:49] <skiboy> sw0rdy: The only way we got h.265 support in Firefox is through the plugin made by Cisco.  They paid the license fees, and we can view the source code and use the program under the condition that we don't change the code, because we would have to pay license fees then
[23:49] <Bashing-om> partition Boot a live *
[23:49] <skiboy> sw0rdy: HEVC is h.265
[23:50] <partitionmess> ok i'll give that a try, thanks
[23:50] <skiboy> sw0rdy: And AV1 has been shown to be superior.  It will be completely open, and h.265 will fade into irrelevance.
[23:51] <Bashing-om> partitionmess: If ya get stuck. we are here to help .
[23:54] <TheSov> ok im gonna try install this now
[23:54] <TheSov> how do i make command changes
[23:55] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Though h.264 should be easy to decode.  I don't see why flash would be needed
[23:56] <michael2> hi, can anyone please point me to documentation which explains how the hashing process is used with dpkg and apt?
[23:56] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Even if it wasn't, I would rather have the extra CPU cycles than a huge security risk
[23:57] <michael2> i.e. does the developer hash the source? then add that to the packages entry in the package.gz for that pocket? etc
[23:57] <Bashing-om> TheSov: Sorry. context of " how do i make command changes " ??
[23:58] <skiboy> sw0rdy: Firefox should be using VA-API or VDPAU for video decoding